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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#89451: Jul 9th 2017 at 11:26:53 AM

@Emperors, additional information was presented, (legitimate) several people made posts indicating that they were reconsidering their votes (legitimate), and I was asked to do a tally (legitimate).

edited 9th Jul '17 11:27:23 AM by Madrugada

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#89452: Jul 9th 2017 at 11:27:44 AM

Emperors, you've been told to knock it off with this behavior before. Knock. It. Off.

Yes to the bishop.

edited 9th Jul '17 11:29:23 AM by Scraggle

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#89453: Jul 9th 2017 at 11:29:24 AM

If there's no reason given, I see no reason the Lord Bishop shouldn't count, assuming he has enough personality.

Damn No Export for You.

edited 9th Jul '17 11:31:09 AM by ACW

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#89454: Jul 9th 2017 at 11:29:53 AM

[up][up] Sorry Madrugada. Really sorry. I won't mind if you just thump my post. I really should pay more attention.

[up] Oh, trust me he does. And, yeah shame because it's a really good game.

edited 9th Jul '17 11:33:42 AM by emperors

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#89456: Jul 9th 2017 at 12:27:50 PM

[tup] Bishop

[tdown] Ancestor and Batshit Sunshine Fundie

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#89457: Jul 9th 2017 at 12:39:49 PM

Here's Doc Ock, And yes, the novel actually refers to him as such.

  • Spider-Man: Global War, by Martin Delrio: Doctor Otto Octavius, better known as Doctor Octopus, is the Diabolical Mastermind behind a plot to Take Over the World. Stealing parts of a secret Department of Defense program which will allow missiles to be launched without revealing the location, Doc Ock first uses a rocket to cause an EMP to hit much of the Western Hemisphere, something in itself likely causing countless deaths. This is only for starters. Doc Ock plans to use a second rocket—nuclear-tippled—to strike near the capital of Latveria. Doc Ock has been secretly aiding Latveria's own nuclear program, and, with the help of a Latverian spy whose family he had kidnapped, had been feeding Doctor Doom's paranoia. Once the second rocket strikes near the Latverian capital, Doc Ock predicts Doom—not being able to discover from where the rocket was launched—will respond by firing nukes in all directions. The rest of the world—which, thanks to the EMP, won't be able to communicate with Doom—will have to counter-attack. Doom will lose, but the rest of the world will be devastated. From this, Doc Ock—having taken refuge underground—will emerge as the savior of mankind and its ruler. This version of Doctor Octopus was willing to cause tens of millions of deaths just so he could rule the world.

edited 9th Jul '17 12:40:45 PM by ACW

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#89458: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:09:27 PM

Hello.

I'm back from Spoderman Homecoming. Pm me if you wanna discuss any candidates.

Or, well, anything I suppose.

Now, on whether or not Ravok's recent candidates are too absurd or too dark to count: A hard no.

For me, I have 4 qualifications:

Are they more heinous than other characters taking into account their resources, tactics, gimmicks etc?

Do they have any legitimate sympathetic qualities?

Do they have any personality at all, even a little?

Are they clearly intended to be taken seriously?

That last bit is important here. A work can be hilariously bad and a villain can be hilariously badly written, but if I can reasonably say the work treats what they do as being terrible, I can get behind them.

And I don't think any work is dark enough to make it impossible to stand out. We only reject straight Torture Porn and the like because we want there to be some point and taste. There is no real value to "Bastard tortures people for two hours and that's it."

And Ravok? Do keep up your amusing Effort Posts. I look forward to them and let's face it, this is a hobby, not a job. We should be able to have a little fun and still get junk done. Hell, I like injecting humour into my EP style to amuse myself and, hopefully, others, while still trying to keep on target, and when it comes to Write Ups, well, I get into my serious mode. I don't tell jokes in Write Ups because I'm presenting this to the public.

That all being said? [tup] the Bentley Little villains and Carnage because of course Carnage.

AgentSkyblueM7 Since: Feb, 2015
#89459: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:33:55 PM

Just a heads up, Kuroto Dan hasn't been removed from Kamen Rider page yet, mostly because it's locked and no one else can do it. On that note, it's probably still too early to count his father Masamune as one, isn't it? We might need to wait until the season is finished.

finalsurvivor1 Since: Jan, 2012
#89460: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:48:33 PM

[up] I've reserved discussion on Ex-Aid. I'm waiting for the end of the season to talk about anyone. And, no, this doesn't violate the two week rule because Masamune's revealed himself more than two weeks ago.

edited 9th Jul '17 1:49:11 PM by finalsurvivor1

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#89461: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:58:37 PM

Wait, come again? Kuroto Dan's been removed from Kamen Rider.

BTW, the Lord Foul expansion's been submitted, and I'll have the Highlander one twice: Once for Comic Books and once for the Highlander subpage.

edited 9th Jul '17 2:49:49 PM by ACW

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#89462: Jul 9th 2017 at 2:47:08 PM

I'm not gonna pretend I'm an authority on this matter, but I found this a while back on the Silent Hill: Origins YMMV page.

  • Complete Monster: Dahlia somehow managed to be worse than in the original Silent Hill.

Zero-context, obviously, and while I haven't played the first game, I know a bit about how nasty she was in it. Don't think she outdid herself anymore in Origins simply (which I realize is a VAST understatement) by burning her daughter alive.

What do you think, cut it?

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skteosk Since: Feb, 2011
#89464: Jul 9th 2017 at 2:57:38 PM

Okay, so, continuing my look through old British space series, I cast my mind at Star Cops and again found myself wondering if there's a villain from the opening episode who counts...

What's the series?'

In the Near Future world of 2027, the space programme has expanded to the point where there are several space stations and moon bases. It has reached the point where an international police force is needed to enforce law and order and investigate crimes in space. After an awkward start with a part-time police force, Nathan Spring, a career police officer who nevertheless has no experience of space, is reluctantly made their commander to turn them into professional investigators.

Who's the villain and what does he do?

Controller Stephenson, the main villain of opening episode "An Instinct for Murder". An air traffic controller on a space station, he is in the pay of an American cartel hoping to wrest the contract to supply the station with spacesuits from their Russian rivals. (Star Cops was a big casualty of The Great Politics Mess Up.)

Stephenson first covers for two assassins who attack a crewmember making a space walk, killing him by sabotaging his space suit so it will look like it was faulty. He then swaps a space suit for one that he knows is faulty. It ends up being used by a visiting Russian official who dies as a result. This leads to the girl who serviced it being arrested for murder by negligence and apparently executed.

Spring then attempts a space walk with Stephenson again running interference while the assassins kill him. When Stephenson's co-worker, David Theroux, a member of Star Cops, realises what's going on, Stephenson holds him at gunpoint and tries to force him to take a space walk so the assassins will take care of him too. However, Spring has already taken care of the assassins by using a medical laser to puncture their suits and sneaked back into the airlock, where he knocks Stephenson out.

Heinousness

Complicit in two murders and two attempted murders and one possible indirect death. He sets someone up to die without being particularly bothered who it is. He doesn't seem to feel a trace of guilt for the deaths he's caused. When Theroux scornfully tells him he's a murderer, he simply replies "Yes, I suppose I am."

The show ran for nine episodes: One doesn't really have a villain, three have villains who don't actually kill anyone (although in at least one case it's not for want of trying), in two the deaths are accidental and the villains are simply trying to cover them up. The second episode features another callous villain, a British intelligence agent who murders Spring's girlfriend just to trick him into helping with an act of espionage against the Americans, but he hardly appears and the villain with the most screen time doesn't do anything except manipulate Spring a bit.

The villain of the third episode might be disqualifying though. He's not a Complete Monster, since he's got a Freudian Excuse, but he seems to cause dozens of deaths.

Redeeming Features

None really. He's quite prepared to kill Theroux, who regards him as a friend. He does claim he didn't know anyone was going to be killed at first and notes that he's surprised himself at how calculating he's become. But then he goes ahead and willingly sets someone else up to die, so whatever pangs of conscience he had seem to have gone away quickly.

Verdict

Possible. What do you think?

edited 9th Jul '17 2:59:29 PM by skteosk

NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#89465: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:03:11 PM

The Lord Bishop barley even appears in the game at all. Still, he does some Evil Gloating in one of the last cutscene, which gives him at least a little bit of personality. This combined with the fact that he sets the heinous standard of the story by being the only villain is just enough for me to give him a [tup].

edited 9th Jul '17 3:03:41 PM by NTG

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#89466: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:08:28 PM

[up] He appears in two cutscenes, both of which he does Evil Gloating and final boss battle.

Anyway, since I got 5 yes votes, I can provide a writeup that hopefully will join today's batch (I won't mind if it will wait for next week's batch ACW)

  • Knights of the Temple: Infernal Crusade: Lord Bishop is a Satan-worhipping fanatic who turned against beliefs of his own Church. He starts the game with desecrating holy places and kidnapping a mysterious young woman to use her, against her will, for his sinister rituals that involve human sacrifice with his victims crucified to a cross. He unites people of all religions to follow his cult, and slaughters anyone who refuses to whether they are men, women, children, Christians, or Muslims. His ultimate goal is to release the Devil onto Earth to "consume the world".

edited 9th Jul '17 3:19:55 PM by emperors

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#89467: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:18:32 PM

The Starcop example...not sure. I don't quite think he does enough to hit the CM label.

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#89468: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:19:22 PM

  • Bomberman Jetters: Dr. Mechadoc (renamed Dr. Mechard), while initially appearing to be working under Bagura, is actually far more sinister. Bitter at Bagura for stealing his work, even when Bagura told him it didn't work, he had been plotting behind the scenes to overthrow him, and ultimately, he planned to use his work to cause two planets to collide, which would kill an unimaginable amount of people. Despite seemingly being The Dragon, he usurps the role from Bagura of Big Bad and is the only character in Jetters with no redeeming qualities to speak of.
  • The Red King is the Big Bad of the series as a whole, empowering supernatural beings to run rampant in the world and bringing about the plague to devastate all of humanity. When he is summoned into the world in the form of Baltimore's best friend Thomas Childress, the Red King is revolted by the very notion of feeling human and sends his armies to slaughter humans in massive numbers while conducting massacres himself to contact the gods who used to serve him. Deciding to "crown" himself to regain his own powers, the Red King attempts a ritual fueled by the deaths of countless innocent people, intending to rule the Earth as a realm of suffering and chaos forevermore.
  • Highlander: The American Dream, by Brian Ruckley et al.: John Hooke first arrived in America on the Mayflower and has been a scourge ever since. First seen as a Confederate officer, Hooke attempts to lure Connor MacLeod off the safety of Holy Ground by massacring an entire village, shooting a man to death as a warning to Connor and beating a second to death with an empty gun. Over the centuries, Hooke is a thief and a Serial Killer, murdering countless innocent people simply for sport and pleasure with a fixation of stealing an eye from each victim he kills. Finally drawing Connor's ire, Hooke attempts to eliminate him and his friend Osta Vazilek by sending the Kurgan himself after them so he may take the other's head unimpeded. While the Kurgan is likened to a wolf, Hooke is seen as a rabid dog and is seen by Connor as one of his most vile enemies in all his centuries of life.
  • The Rake vs Dogman, by Tom Sonski: Officer Nathaniel Dixon is a Dirty Cop of the highest order and the main human antagonist of the story. Quickly established to be a deranged and entitled psychopath, Dixon has a history of assault and killings that were swept under the rug, and is introduced as he is encouraging a kid to torture and mutilate a kitten; he briefly considers putting the kitten out of its misery, but quickly decides not to. Dixon holds a grudge against Murray Keeplin for battering and blinding him in the past when he attempted to kidnap her, and plans something "special" for her to get his revenge. When he and the others first encounter the pack of werewolf-like dogmen, Dixon callously shoots his fellow officer Barclay and throws him to the pack. He makes his "arrest" of Murray his top priority, even in the face of all the danger they're in. When his crimes are exposed, he steals Rookie Henry Keller's gun as he's killed, and immediately shoots Janine. It's also discovered he tortured his former partner to death when she refused to help him kidnap Murray. Eventually he tortures Jason with a pair of bolt cutters when he helps Murray and Holly escape, before stalking them through the woods in a desperate bid to kill them both.
  • Sebastien Ballesteros, aka Cheetah III, quickly proved himself the worst person to ever hold the title. An Argentine robber baron who made his fortune collaborating with the National Reorganization Process, Ballesteros decided real power trumped riches and stole the power of the Cheetah from Barbara Minerva, leaving her for dead. Kidnapping Diana's foster sister, Vanessa Kapatelis, Ballesteros psychologically and surgically modified her into becoming the Silver Swan, then unleashed her on Cassie Sandsmark's school, leaving dozens of students injured or dead. He subsequently forced Vanessa to join in his and Circe's plot to murder half of New York, and personally captured Superman so that Circe could brainwash him into believing that he was Doomsday and turn him loose on Diana. After this plan failed, Ballesteros retreated to his base in Buenos Aires, where he plotted to slaughter protestors with his Cheetah powers, and burned down much of the city in battle with the returned Barbara Minerva. Escaping with his life, but not the whole of his fortune, Ballesteros again kidnapped Vanessa, who had been briefly freed by Wonder Woman, and put her through another round of torture, surgery, and psychological conditioning, before selling her to Veronica Cale for ten million dollars. Murdered by Minerva shortly afterwards, Ballesteros left behind a legacy of misery and shattered lives.
  • Astarte, the renegade Amazon, swiftly proved herself the nastiest villain of Gail Simone's run. After usurping command of the nomadic intergalactic army known as The Citizenry, Astarte transformed what had been a largely pacific collective into a rampaging horde that destroyed and cannibalized the populaces of entire planets, kidnapped, genetically modified and raped men for reproductive purposes, and indoctrinated stolen girls into becoming loyal slave-soldiers for Astarte's wars. Having put her daughter, Theana, through Training from Hell—forcing her to murder one hundred other children or starve—Astarte kept her caged like an animal, only turning her loose when Wonder Woman threatened her invasion of Earth. When Diana started getting through to Theana, Astarte ordered her daughter executed.
  • Zatanna: Eldon Peck was formerly a disgruntled mystic and cultist who condemned thirteen children to eternal agony to gain supernatural powers, transforming him into the sinister Brother Night. A Serial Rapist who used his compelling powers to force women to sleep with him, Night plots to take over the criminal underworlds of both the magical and mundane worlds, gathering the crime lords of San Francisco in one place before having them gruesomely murdered in a variety of creative ways. To stop Zatanna from foiling his schemes, Night targets the innocent after his attempt to condemn Zatanna to an eternal nightmare fails, trying to damn Zatanna's crew in the same manner he cursed the children and forcing Zatanna to fight the enslaved spirit of her own father. After his return to villainy following his apparent defeat, Night drives the prisoners and guards of the prison infirmary he's in to fanatical madness and suicide, magically stripping away the flesh of the remaining prisoners and using their bones as a ladder to make his grand escape. Appropriately described by Zatanna as a narcissistic, power-mad maniac, Night's quest to destroy Zatanna and everyone she loved cements him as the magician's cruelest and most tenacious foe.
  • Tangent Comics: Secret Six: Dr. Aquadus, the Tangent Universe's version of Aquaman, was a Soviet scientist and chief director of Svitavy Collective who developed the Red Tornado, a lethal chemical weapon later employed in the Czech War in the bombing of a populated town— leading to countless agonizing deaths in the process. After a haywire experiment transfers Aquadus's consciousness into the nearby lakeside, Aquadus decides to use his new form and powers for his own ends, engineering destructive experiments in the Pacific Ocean that kill thousands of Sea Devils through the seismic activity. When finally confronted by the Secret Six, Aquadus reveals his intention to blow up the moon and utterly flood the Earth, plunging it into a "new age" of his own mad design.
  • The Loud House fanfic Stories and Tales from Dimension 63: Linka Loud is the female counterpart of Lincoln hailing from Dimension 63 (i). Feeling suffocated by the protectiveness of her family, Linka yearned for a simpler life in which she would be free of responsibilities. Abandoning her family, Linka switches places with Lincoln and quickly begins to destroy his life for her own amusement. Desiring complete control over Lincoln's life, Linka strikes a deal with William Cryptos who entrusts her with finding the three fragments. She is fully aware of the fact that if Cryptos were to acquire the fragments and rebuild the MacGuffin, it would give Cryptos the power to unravel reality, but she doesn't care as long as her wish—to have a "perfect world" where she was pampered by ten sisters— comes to fruition. As a means of keeping the sisters from finding out about her plan, Linka deliberately tosses herself off the stairs, causing Lincoln's body to sustain a broken leg, arm and other bruises. When her cover is blown, Linka threatens to maim or otherwise cripple Lincoln's body out of spite. After fighting with Lincoln, Linka turns one of the fragments onto her own brothers and Lincoln's family, threatening to age them out of existence lest Lincoln gives her the fragment; without hesitation, she zaps both families with the fragment, causing them to rapidly age in front of Lincoln. Unlike Cryptos, who is a Well-Intentioned Extremist trying to get his sister back, Linka is a hedonistic sociopath who would gladly destroy all of existence for the chance at the good life.
  • The Brain (1988): Dr. Anthony Blakely is a Psycho Psychologist and power-hungry alien servant of the Brain. To get its master a foothold on Earth, Blakely founds a mental health clinic to brainwash people under the guise of helping them. Eventually, Blakely's popularity grows to the point of him getting a local pop psychology talk show, which he uses to feed the Brain more independent thoughts, not caring that anybody who resists the hypnosis is Driven to Madness of the homicidal and suicidal variety. A fellow shrink at his clinic tries to quit out of ethical concerns, and Blakely laughs as the Brain devours her whole. When Jim Majelewski escapes from the clinic, Blakely frames him for multiple murders, one of which he committed by brainwashing a woman into killing her husband with a chainsaw for refusing to watch his show. Eventually, Blakely plans to send the Brain's mind control across Canada, then the world, while also giving Jim's girlfriend to the Brain as the latest of many humans to be its food.
  • Eden: Vaughn, one of the lead traffickers, is an unhinged, mood-swinging sociopath with a tendency to respond to any slight with extreme violence. Treating his charges like dirt when he's not prostituting them out, Vaughn routinely kills any girls who grow too old for the business and either tortures or murders those who get out of line. Once the titular Eden becomes Vaughn's trustee, Vaughn casually murders his previous one, flipping out and murdering his compatriot Bob in a fit of violence and later having the skull of one of the organization's lower members bashed in after he rats. The vilest revelation concerning Vaughn is the reveal he brings pregnant charges to his associate Mario to have the babies sold—a sentiment which rattles Eden and prompts Vaughn to force Eden to nearly shoot one of his charges under the threat of death as a test of loyalty. A mess of violence and impulsive rage at the best of times, Vaughn is far and away the worst of the already-reprehensible human traffickers in the movie.
  • Stryker (1983): Kardis is a warlord who hordes water in the post-apocalyptic future, sending his forces to massacre and torture others to obtain control of their own water. When the hero Stryker stumbles upon Kardis's operation, Kardis is having a woman tortured to find her colony. Realizing one of his wells has gone dry, Kardis casually orders only his soldiers may receive water, condemning hundreds to death by thirst—while Kardis is washing his face in a huge bowl of water. Torturing Stryker and leaving him for dead, Kardis attempts to have everyone in the other colonies massacred or enslaved, stopping at nothing to extend his dominion over the wasteland.
  • Warriors of the Wasteland (1983/1984): One, leader of the Templars, and his right-hand Shadow, believe only in the destruction of any remaining human beings in the post-apocalyptic future. Regularly leading their forces to massacre innocent colonies, Shadow also takes great pleasure in making his victims' deaths as painful as possible. When their old comrade Scorpion resurfaces protecting innocent colonies, the pair instantly target him, and after capturing and torturing Scorpion, Shadow assists One in raping him before having him left for death. The two then attempt to massacre the colony Scorpion was protecting, with Shadow gleefully gunning down every innocent person he sees before Scorpion manages to stop them.
  • Destroyermen: Captain Hisashi Kurokawa of the Imperial Japanese ship Amagi is a brutal sadist and madman. Allying with the monstrous Grik, Kurokawa kills thousands when his ship destroys the Neracca home in an attempt to get at the USS Walker. Torturing his own crew at the drop of a hat, Kurokawa also gives one tenth of them to be devoured by the Grik in exchange for his own life after a defeat, before managing to climb the ranks by offering the Grik Japanese military technology. Conducting horrible experiments on the Grik, Kurokawa frequently orders their suicides for his own failures and consistently tries to kill both his enemies and innocent people. When he captures his Arch-Enemy Matthew Reddy's pregnant wife, Kurokawa tries to compel her assistance by threatening to have her comrades raped and later orders all prisoners besides her executed. Treacherous to the end, Kurokawa dies scheming how he will ally with Reddy before betraying him after Reddy thinks he is trustworthy.
  • Five Nights at Freddy's: The Silver Eyes & The Twisted Ones: In these Alternate Continuity books based on the video game series, the Big Bad Serial Killer, Dave/William Afton was the co-founder of both Fredbear's Family Diner and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. Unable to deal with the stress in his life, he turned to murder to relieve it. At Fredbear's, he murdered the son of his business partner Henry, despite the fact that Henry helped him start Fredbear's. At Freddy's, he lured five kids backstage, killed them, and stuffed their bodies inside the animatronics, causing them to become possessed by their spirits. While working as a security guard at a mall, he notices Henry's daughter Charlotte and her six friends, and decides to kill them too. He kidnaps Charlotte's friend Carlton and places him in a springlock suit, gleefully telling him that if he makes one wrong move, the suit will slowly crush him to death and his spirit will be unable to pass on. He leaves Carlton to stand alone in the suit with this knowledge while he goes to kill the others. He later kills an officer and takes Charlotte hostage when the group tries to escape. In the sequel, he returns as Springtrap, and sends out animatronics to kill Charlie out of revenge for causing his death. He says he will only kill Charlie and won't attack her friends, but than sends his animatronics to kill them instead. It's also revealed that when he was alive and working at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, in addition to the children he had already managed to kill, he modified the animatronics to lure children away from their parents in the hope of being able to kill even more children.
  • Spider-Man: Global War, by Martin Delrio: Doctor Otto Octavius, better known as Doctor Octopus, is the Diabolical Mastermind behind a plot to Take Over the World. Stealing parts of a secret Department of Defense program which will allow missiles to be launched without revealing the location, Doc Ock first uses a rocket to cause an EMP to hit much of the Western Hemisphere, something in itself likely causing countless deaths. This is only for starters. Doc Ock plans to use a second rocket—nuclear-tippled—to strike near the capital of Latveria. Doc Ock has been secretly aiding Latveria's own nuclear program, and, with the help of a Latverian spy whose family he had kidnapped, had been feeding Doctor Doom's paranoia. Once the second rocket strikes near the Latverian capital, Doc Ock predicts Doom—not being able to discover from where the rocket was launched—will respond by firing nukes in all directions. The rest of the world—which, thanks to the EMP, won't be able to communicate with Doom—will have to counter-attack. Doom will lose, but the rest of the world will be devastated. From this, Doc Ock—having taken refuge underground—will emerge as the savior of mankind and its ruler. This version of Doctor Octopus was willing to cause tens of millions of deaths just so he could rule the world.
  • Surface Detail: Joiler Veppers is a wealthy playboy who once ruined the life of a supposed friend of his to get rich and take the man's daughter Lededje as his own. Regularly raping Lededje, Veppers murders her when she tries to escape, unaware her mind survives thanks to a neural race. Veppers also gets richer by selling and running artificial hells where the minds of countless victims on multiple worlds victims are tortured in horrific simulations for eternity. Worried that the anti-hell factions will win, Veppers arranges for an alien race to raze his estates into ashes with most of the innocent staff still there, all to avoid a loss in profits.
  • Titan A.E. novelization, by Steve Perry & Dal Perry:
    • Queen Susquehana is the absolute monarch of the Drej and a genocidal nightmare of an alien. Leading the Drej in genocidal campaigns against entire planets, Susquehana's ultimate goal is to spread the light of the Drej all across the galaxy and exterminate all non-Drej life throughout. Learning that the technology of the Titan still exists even after Earth's destruction, Susquehana sends waves of Drej to find and eradicate the technology whilst destroying all those who seek it, eventually making it a point to spitefully obliterate every surviving human colony herself and drive out all those remaining into the deep edge of space to perish. Susquehana also slaughters several of her own kind, some of them upstart assassins—but others killed purely due to Susquehana's own paranoid fits. An Absolute Xenophobe obsessed with establishing her cruel legacy among her species and sinking to depths unreached even by the previous Queens of the Drej, Susquehana perfectly embodies the reasons why the Drej are feared and reviled by every denizen of the galaxy.
    • Preed, a slimy Akrennian barely tolerated even by the others onboard the Valkyrie, makes a name for himself as a backstabbing snake as his true colors unfold throughout the novel. Contacted by Susquehana with the promise of a monetary reward for finding the Titan, Preed and his compatriot Joseph Korso betray the other members of the Valkyrie to the Drej. Preed quickly establishes himself as the viler of the two between him and Korso, nearly shooting his way through an entire crowd of innocent colonists to get to Cale and Akima and displaying open, sadistic relish at the prospect of doing so. Once at the Titan itself, Preed turns his gun against Korso and reveals his intention to simply murder all of his former allies and sell out the Titan to the Drej, dooming any chance humanity has to repopulate—and then kicking back and watching as the Drej massacre everything in their path, comfortable with the death of almost all sapient life in the galaxy so long as he gets to stay alive.
  • Alastair, from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor." Feared by demons well beyond Angels, he is responsible for supervising the torture of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, impaling him with hooks and chains, flaying and dismembering his entire body— which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will accept his offer and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair psychologically tortures Dean with during their subsequent encounters. During the hunt for Anna Milton, Alastair slits her parents' throats. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before beating Castiel senseless, which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel. He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa later in the series, pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. Doing his best to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and enjoying every single moment of it, Alastair, despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.
  • Whitman Van Ness, from season 7's "Of Grave Importance", was a former rich man turned Serial Killer in the early 1900s. He slit the necks of numerous prostitutes who worked in his manor house, climaxing with the murder of his own fiancé and framing the caretaker Dexter O'Connor for everything, leading to Dexter being shot by the authorities. Following his death, Whitman became a very powerful spirit, and, to protect himself from the decay all ghosts suffer, began feeding off other spirits, effectively destroying them. Whitman spent decades killing countless people who came into his house, then used his powers to prevent their spirits from passing on; trapping his victims in constant terror of him whilst they all slowly decay into rotting mindless abominations so he could stay strong. Whitman also takes amusement from their horrific fate and enjoys lording his power over them. In the present he murders two teenagers who hide in his house, and then murders Sam, Dean and Bobby's old friend Annie Hawkins. A few nights later he murders two friends of the first pair of teenagers by crushing their hearts, adding all of them to his collection. When Dexter protested that he already had more than enough victims, Whitman drained him on the spot. Whitman's final act was to try and drain Bobby, before Sam and Dean burnt his bones.
  • The Wild Wild West: James West and Artemus Gordon have faced many killers, supervillains and criminal masterminds in their career in the secret service, these are the very worst:
    • Doctor Arcularis, from season 1's "The Night of the Howling Light", is a soft-spoken, deranged psychologist. Fascinated by the discovery of conditional reflexes in animals, Doctor Arcularis began experimenting to discover whether the process would also work upon people. Through a combination of sensory torture and clear instructions, he develops what he believes to be a perfect process for brainwashing people. For one such victim, Arcularis imprisoned him in a cage and deprived him of water for several days, having conditioned him to, at the sound of a whistle, throw away any he was given. Having already performed his cruel process upon five innocent people, Arcularis turns them into his mindless slaves, before being contacted by Ahkeema who, fearing the proposed alliance between the government and the confederacy of tribes to be a sham, wants Arcularis to brainwash Jim to kill the great chief Ho-Tami and wreck the negotiations. Caring nothing for the politics or the brutal war this will cause, Arcularis is thrilled to have an opportunity to further his experiments. Kidnapping Jim, he subjects him to the full process, torturing for hours on end over a week in an attempt to break him. When Jim manages to signal for help, to take back control Arcularis breaks the arm of one of his victims and frames it that it was him who was signaling, thus satisfying the investigators. Capturing Artemus as well, Arcularis also brainwashes Artemus to murder Jim. Quick-witted and haughty, driven by a combination of scientific curiosity and sadism, Doctor Arcularis was easily one of the worst men Jim and Artie ever met.
    • Doctor Tristam and his associate Astarte, from season 1's "The Night of the Druids Blood", are a pair of ruthless wolves in sheep's clothing. With the help of the Great Asmodeus, they are responsible for the suspicious deaths of several of the nation's greatest scientists and scholars. Astarte seduces the men, until they were wrapped around their finger, enjoying using and killing them, while Tristam is the hidden mastermind. Together they cause Jim's former teacher and friend, Professor Robey, to burn to death right before Jim's very eyes. Astarte also seduces and marries political genius Senator Waterford to exploit his connections. When it becomes apparent that Jim won't stop his investigations, they organize an elaborate con to make it appear Jim has gone mad. Originally suspecting that the scientist's deaths were being faked and they were being held prisoner, Jim and Artie stumble upon the true horror of Tristam's plans. Doctor Tristam has discovered a way to keep the brain alive without a body, leaving them able to see, think and hear, but not move; all constantly conscious with no end in sight. Linking all nine of his victims through a giant web, he has granted himself the combined intelligence of the nation's greatest minds at his fingertips. If any prove unwilling to answer his demands, he simply electrocutes them until they comply.They also try to burn Senator Waterford alive, not to add him to the web but simply because Astarte has grown bored with him. Following Jim foiling the plan, Astarte's last act is to try and trick the senator into killing Jim.
    • Mr. Braine, from season 2's "The Night of the Brain", may present himself as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, but beneath a polite, cheerful, and good-humored veneer lies a megalomaniac with a god complex. Unhappy with how "disordered" the world is, Braine plans to kill the five major heads of state presently in Washington and replace them with his disguised followers, then plunge the entire world into chaos— having the Spanish loot Africa, the Americas attack South America, the Russians invade India, etc., until the whole world is at war—so that Braine can take control of whatever manages to survive. Fearing the existence of a security measures that would upset his plan, Braine implemented a complex—and as Jim pointed out, unnecessary—plot to lure James West to him, first by sending Jim and Artemus tomorrow's newspapers predicting their friends' deaths, then having the predictions come true, blowing up beloved entertainer Almeric and arranging for Jim's former commander Colonel Leeto to accidentally shoot himself; in both cases ensuring Jim would helplessly witness his friend's demise. Braine then has the printer who made the newspapers stabbed to death as he no longer needs him. Having finally captured Jim, Braine pauses briefly to execute one of his loyal followers for having a button missing from his uniform. Engaging in another unnecessary exercise to test Jim, Braine tries to force him to decide whether he will die or if Braine's entirely loyal assistant Voulee will die. In the end, Braine decides to drop all pretenses and just hurt Jim until he tells him what he wants to know.
    • Doctor Articulus, from season 3's "The Night of the Undead", is a callous, self-serving chemist and slaver who eighteen years previously tested a special mold sample upon several people, causing them all to die. When Doctor Armbruster and Doctor Eddington alerted the authorities, Articulus faked his death, causing him to miss his wedding. His bride went on to marry Doctor Armbruster. Retreating to the Bayou, Articulus carried on his experiments and discovered that by refining the mold he could create a mind-control potion. Using it, Articulus turned numerous people into zombie slaves, forcing them to work refining the mold, having two of his goons constantly whipping them to work faster, right up until they dropped from exhaustion; with the implication that all his victims were fully aware the entire time. To ensure that no one disturbed him, Articulus began holding mock voodoo ceremonies. One such ceremony led to the death of one of his victims, John Little. Articulus kidnapped Doctor Armbruster and infected him with the drug. When one of his slaves collapsed and drowned right before his eyes, Articulus's only response is "many more will take his place." He also had Eddington's teenage daughter Mariah drugged, planning to force her to marry him to right what he perceived as "the wrong which was done to me", and then send her back to murder her father. Angered by their interference he attempts to murder Jim and Artie with ammonia gas. Finally defeated, his last act was to try and strangle Jim.
  • Naked Kill one-shot, by Jonathan Maberry, Laurence Campbell, et al.: Mickey Fane, along with his lover Polly Hu and Mickey's nephew Eleventhree, run a horrific human trafficking operation. Taking monthly shipments of women and making rough pornography with them, they eventually force the women to kill one another until one can go free, only to make her film a video with Eleventhree, named for his massive size, to the point where Eleventhree simply rapes his victim to death. Polly also regularly brings Mickey girls to rape while filming Eleventhree in his movies. When Frank arrives, Mickey callously abandons Polly and Eleventhree to be killed in the security protocol as well, with Frank managing to save the girls, before ambushing Mickey himself when Mickey plans on a new shipment of girls to torture and kill.
  • Boba Fett: Agent of Doom: Mir Tork and his chief scientist Leonis Murthé are the masters of the ship Azgoghk and the worst that the Empire's human culture has to offer. In their service to the Empire, Tork would land the Azgoghk, abduct entire species and ionize the weak, sick, elderly and children before forcing the survivors to work to death. Murthé would regularly take specimens to torture to death in hideous science experiments just to cause them pain, while Tork would often simply walk into a holding pen and gun everything there down. After the Empire's fall, the two return to the Azgoghk and continue their work while one survivor of a race they destroyed hires Boba Fett to kill them. Murthé is seen carving up a victim with a lightsaber and admitting he has no more pretense at science whatsoever, instead doing it for fun. Tork is simply driven by a genocidal need to exterminate anything that isn't a human. Before Fett's arrival, Tork calmly informs Murthé they have found a new world to "cleanse".
  • Inadu, aka the Hollow, the Big Bad of season 4, is an ancient witch who seeks power and domination over all things. In her mortal life, Inadu was bestowed great powers since birth and desired more, with a life time of mass murder and chaos purely for the fun of it. When she was first killed, she casts a final curse on her people, creating the curse of lycanthropy in the process. As the Hollow, over the centuries she had cultists who followed and worshiped her, carrying out dark deeds, mostly child sacrifice, to her name; she was also behind several serial killers. She drives her followers into insanity and even suicide, including Evie Sinclair and Jackson's grandfather, having the latter kill Hayley's parents. note  Following the downfall of the Mikaelsons, the Hollow's followers begin a new spree of sacrifices for a takeover of their own. Upon the Mikaelsons' return, the Hollow tries to draw power from Klaus and Marcel, and tries to goad them into killing each other; the Hollow threatens to trick Klaus into killing Hope via hallucinations. When the Ancestors return, Inadu hides by possessing Sofya, and seeks her bones in order for a full resurrection. Later she abducts Elijah to slowly kill him and his bloodline in a ritual sacrifice. Following her resurrection, she rewards her followers by killing them, and resurrects Davina, linking their lives in order to blackmail Kol. Later she torments Hayley and Freya with hallucinations. Despite seemingly being killed by Hayley, she proceeds to possess Hope, attempting to completely take her over. Finally, Inadu uses Hope's body and power to lead her followers on to take over New Orleans via conquest, wrecking havoc and threatening to kill those who won't follow her.
  • Bomberman franchise:
    • Bagura also named  is the Overarching Villain of the entire Bomberman franchise, Bomberman's most recurring enemy, and by far his most vile adversary. He makes his first appearance in Bomberman '94 by splitting Planet Bomber into pieces and attempting to send a comet on a collision course with it. In Super Bomberman 3, he resurrects the Five Dastardly Bombers, who he has under mind control, and uses them to take over five planets, expanding his goals. Even after he's killed, his resilience allows him to live through a Brain in a Jar. In his most recent appearance, Super Bomberman R, he cements his status as pure evil when he creates a black hole to try and engulf not just Planet Bomber, not just a nebula but the entire universe, threatening billions of lives and proving that he would stop at nothing to destroy Bomberman.
    • Bomberman 64: Sirius is the true Big Bad, usurping the position from Altair. Initially appearing as a friendly ally to Bomberman on the run from Sirius, it's revealed that he was the original owner of the Omni Cube and had trapped even more galaxies in there than Altair, as he had a proper knowledge on how to use the cube. He lies to Bomberman that Altair had killed his family; however these are false and he uses them to get Bomberman on his side. After he reveals his true intentions to Bomberman, he callously throws him away and nearly destroys Planet Bomber. Manipulating Bomberman into helping him, even worse than Altair, he manages to be the most vile villain in the game.
  • Knights of the Temple: Infernal Crusade: The Lord Bishop is a Satan-worhipping fanatic who turned against the beliefs of his own Church. He starts the game by desecrating holy places and kidnapping a mysterious young woman to use her, against her will, for his sinister rituals that involve Human Sacrifice, with his victims crucified to a cross. He unites people of all religions to follow his cult, and slaughters anyone who refuses to, regardless of age or religion. His ultimate goal is to release the Devil onto Earth to "consume the world".
Highlander: The American Dream
  • In this comic by Brian Ruckley et al., John Hooke first arrived in America on the Mayflower and has been a scourge ever since. First seen as a Confederate officer, Hooke attempts to lure Connor MacLeod off the safety of Holy Ground by massacring an entire village, shooting a man to death as a warning to Connor and beating a second to death with an empty gun. Over the centuries, Hooke is a thief and a Serial Killer, murdering countless innocent people simply for sport and pleasure with a fixation of stealing an eye from each victim he kills. Finally drawing Connor's ire, Hooke attempts to eliminate him and his friend Osta Vazilek by sending the Kurgan himself after them so he may take the other's head unimpeded. While the Kurgan is likened to a wolf, Hooke is seen as a rabid dog and is seen by Connor as one of his most vile enemies in all his centuries of life.

edited 10th Jul '17 6:19:49 AM by ACW

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emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#89469: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:20:46 PM

ACW, in case you missed it, I provided the Bishop writeup, though he will likely go next week.

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NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#89470: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:24:23 PM

[up][up][up]In the first appearance he only talks through the possessed Saracen leader, pretending to be him, while he tries to convince the protagonist that they work for a good cause. And in the boss fight he doesn't talk at all.

Overall a rather Flat Character, but still enough to be a CM.

edited 9th Jul '17 3:29:27 PM by NTG

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#89471: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:28:37 PM

[up][up] Oh, I missed it. It's added now.

Did we ever decide on Angel Eyes?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#89472: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:28:44 PM

No to Stephenson; he sounds like he's only barely above standard villainy.

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#89473: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:30:04 PM

I think we agreed Angel Eyes is a keep.

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k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#89474: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:09:55 PM

I'm going to start keeping tallies of CM kill numbers here and actors below.

Onscreen Kill Tally for CMs (only counted for kills personally committed by CMs, does not count deaths ordered by a CM)

CMs without onscreen kills (kills committed personally by the character)

Videos

Link to CM kills Sandbox

Actor count for CMs:

Highest personal body count (I only count kills executed personally by the Complete Monster): Ronan the Accuser from Guardians of the Galaxy, with 83,241

Oscar-nominated (or winning) CMs

CM video examples

Edited by k410ren on Oct 27th 2020 at 1:01:47 PM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#89475: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:14:16 PM

ACW, I don't think we need that many different spellings of Bagura. Just say one or two names and leave it at that.

Otherwise, I skimmed the write ups and they look good. Any other comments?


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