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Sayaka sock?

Uenii is a new troper, who on their first day has three pages worth of edits, on pages frequent by a serial ban evader, and this edit being quite telling.

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Questions about sandboxes

Is it considered okay if someone creates a work page by copying the content of a sandbox that a completely different user was working on?

I just saw that Literature.Demian was created by someone else using the contents I had written on Sandbox.Demian. I hadn't worked on the sandbox in a few months because I wanted to reread the book in order to write a good work's description (right now both the sandbox and Literature/ pages have almost no description).

I'm not upset about this, I'm rather kind of confused of what to do in this case.

I get if the user who created the page was tired of waiting for it to be an actual article, so I'm wondering if it's seen negatively if someone takes months on moving a sandbox to the correct namespace.

I'm curious about these things regarding sandbox etiquette.

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The page "Where Was My Hero?" Needs a Cleanup Webcomic

So, I have been looking over the page for Where Was My Hero...? and it seems like the page is a bit messy in regards to having too many tropes on the page and most of the tropes are not in alphabetical order. I tried to edit some of the page, but there's too much to go through on this page. Does this page need a bit of a cleanup?

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Character page cleanup?

The character page for Tangled lists Tangled: The Series-exclusive characters on their own pages (Cassandra and Varian), but combines the original Tangled characters onto one page. I distinctly remember Rapunzel and Eugene having their own pages.

Was this a recent cleanup?

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Concerns about the Destined Death folder claiming that it's an Outer God.

I mentioned this on the discussion page a couple of days ago, but got no response, so I mentioned it here as well. Elden Ring: Outer Gods treats Destined Death and the unnamed Outer God of the Twinbird as if they were the same, causing that other pages describe Destined Death as an Outer God. This puzzles me because neither the fextralife wiki nor the fandom wiki do this.

The argument in favor is that, and I quote: "The power of the Prince of Death's Staff, derived from the Destined Death that Maliketh seized from the Gloam-Eyed Queen, empowers both the ghostflame and Death sorceries of the Deathbirds; in addition, the Mausoleum Knights who protect the bodies of slain demigods use the wings and eclipse symbols of Deathbirds, and the Eclipse Shotel associated with them can inflict Deathblight, an affliction born from the Prince of Death. All of these indicate they are most likely separate manifestations of the same power, who have intervened in the Lands Between ever since the arrival of the twinbird."

Although these connections are indeed mentioned in the game, I think it's a stretch to suggest that they come from the same source.

Deathblight is first and foremost an in-game mechanic, and it has its quirks. Both Wormfaces and Basilisks can give you Deathblight but aren't affected by incantations that kill Those Who Live in Death, and neither are Tibia Mariners which are strongly linked to Those Who Live in Death. So it's not a bulletproof argument.

The game said that Godwyn's current state is the result of a rite performed by Ranni, in which both were killed with a fragment of Destined Death at the same time, but Ranni died in flesh but her soul lived, while Godwyn died in soul but his body lived. Meaning that if not for this rite, Destined Death should have straight up killed Godwyn, both in soul and body, a "true death," very different from the ancient God of Twinbird, which is associated with an afterlife, and typical undead and necromancy stuff.

Keep in mind that the Frenzied Flame and the Fell God of the Giants also share themes like fire and eyes, and somehow you can use yourself as kindling in the forge of the giants to burn the Erdtree and SURVIVE if you inherit the Flame of Frenzy, but the game still mentions these two as separate entities, which means that just because the Prince of Death has some link to Destined Death doesn't guarantee that they are all products of the same God.

Also, it is really telling that the folder ignores all the connections that exist between the Destined Death and the Elden Ring. The other name for Destined Death is the Rune of Death, and the Elden Ring is composed of runes. The Godskin Nobles have a similar physiology to those close to the crucible, which is "the Erdtree in its primordial form", and, according to Enia, the Golden Order was created by "plucked" the Rune of Death, suggesting that the concept of death was once part of the Elden Ring (something Miyazaki himself mentions).

In the end, the game is very vague and ambiguous on this subject, but our current page is anything but ambiguous, it's basically a fan theory presented as facts, and I think we should cut the folder out completely.

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Accidental duplicate work page

So... I just created WesternAnimation.Boop Oop A Doop today because I thought we didn't have a page for the cartoon.

Lo and behold, I just discovered WesternAnimation.Boop-Oop-A-Doop, with hypens. I didn't know we could, or would, put hyphens in the URL. Not when we have custom wikiwords.

My version has some tropes and other info not on the hyphenated version. I think we should add the missing info to one page and delete the other, but which one? I've already spent a lot of time crosswicking my version...

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Weirdly hostile edit over a word?

An entry on Horrible.Animated Films for the film Bands on the Run was changed by bs2007 to replace the word "soulless" with "worthless", the edit reason being a threatening "Don't call a movie soulless ever again." What?

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DC and Marvel sub pages

Hello, it's been a while since we talked, and I would've reached out to you sooner, but I've been sick and recovering. I'm well enough to edit on TV tropes, but I was too ill to send you a message until now.

I wanted to discuss the topic of DC and Marvel subpages again. There's a lot of debate and controversy about these subpages, mainly because they have examples from multiple mediums, and people are complaining about the other mediums being on two pages. You even deleted and removed some of the examples on these subpages, which if is a violation of the rules regarding subpages, I understand.

But then I realized something that would solve the problem: keep the examples on the sub-pages while deleting the second examples on the other pages. Based on my interpretation of the complaints, this would solve the problem and keep the pages instead of erasing them completely. I started doing this in a number of the sub-pages, and so I would like some feedback of this idea.

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Fake Brit and Voice Acting

On Trivia.Valkyria Chronicles, troper gjjones deleted a Fake Brit entry with this edit reason:

To knowledge, unlike Dawson Casting, which is strictly live action, Fake Brit (and related tropes) can be applied to voice acting since it is about hearing an accent than physical appearance. Any other thoughts on this?

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Possible Troll

So a user by the name of bradyreino recently added some blatantly untrue things to the Total Drama main page (edits found here) and while myself and another user removed them, is this something we should keep an eye on?

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Trolling in a WMG page? Western Animation

I found the WMG page for Mufasa: The Lion King and the entries there seem quite unserious to the point of feeling like trolling.

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Troper M00ny4rzu needs a tap on the shoulder. Western Animation

Troper M00ny4rzu keeps on adding back An Aesop for this recap page for the Bluey show, despite there being a cleanup for the wick. I had added the reason it was removed and the troper put the example back. The second time, I added much more details.

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Specific forum complaining policy?

What is the policy for complaining about a show or film on the forum? I need to know so I know when hollering the mods is appropriate.

If there is a link to the rules, that would also be helpful. Thanks.

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Edit war over SRO

On this page, captaintrainor added an entry for Surprisingly Realistic Outcome that I later removed for being not really surprising and, though I forgot to mention it the first time, it's also a character reaction (which are not examples of SRO by definition). captaintrainor has since added it back without an edit reason.

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What should I do with an underbaked draft?

I tried my hand at putting a trope draft out in the world way before it was ready. I would like to make a more polished version once I actually know what I'm doing, but for now I'm not sure what I should do it's it. Should I nuke it and start it fresh later down the line? Should I put it up for adoption? Or should I just try to improve the original launch?

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Holding Out for a Hero

Hello.

This time I am looking for something that is exactly like the trope name indicates, that is, a person that feels trapped and desperately wants someone to be their knight in shining armor to come and save them from their situation. It is not necessarily that they are a Damsel in Distress but they still feel trapped and they hate their situation. The actual Holding Out for a Hero does not appear to cover this instance.

Anything that might fit?

EDIT: Brainfart, put it in the wrong section.

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How to add images to forums

Hello. I have been here for awhile now, but I had never added in images in forum boards before. How do you add an image to a forum post?

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Epic Fail

Today, I found that Tropers/kuchiki222 moved the content of several subpages for Epic Fail to the main page, specifically the pages for Comic Books, Comic Strips, Animated Films, Literature, Tabletop Games, Web Animation, and Web Original. Later, Stalker Gamer removed the links to those pages. Was this discussed anywhere? Neither of them left an edit reason.

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I am confused by this edit reason.

So, on Dry Docking Sabot Tori edited a bunch of entries to remove mentions of fans finding the actors attractive saying ""Played by the beautiful X" appears five times on this page with little variation, and four times in a row in one section. I've retained one example of this that mentions something more descriptive, but there needs to be more about why these actors are appealing to the fans, or it's just a subjective example without any sort of clarifying context or explanation." Which I find odd, as isn't saying that fans find the performers attractive mentioning why fans find them appealing? Is it necessary to describe in detail why they are attractive when the trope doesn't require it? I am not even trying to get them added back (I don't think the performers needed to be mentioned) but am just confused what the edit reason is going for.

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Heavy-handed "badge of honor" troping Live Action TV

rr3elite appears to have a major Single-Issue Wonk focused on showing off the villainy of the character Zein from Kamen Rider Outsiders and their appearances in other Kamen Rider media, including this week's episode of Kamen Rider Gotchard. I initially reported them on ATT before for shoehorning in Fan Myopia-laden comparisons to other works through misuse of various tropes, but it is now clear that was a symptom of a much bigger wonk, mostly afflicting Zein's sheet, the page for Outsiders itself, and various pages for Gotchard (YMMV, antagonists sheet, Nightmare Fuel, #33's recap) where Zein's appearance is concerned.

I haven't sent any notifiers because there's too many offending edits to comb through, but a lot of their edits consist of what they have previously been reported for, plus Bold Inflation, countless sentence structure and grammar errors, and "look at how horrible this person is" examples that stretch Zein's villainy^note it is a sapient AI that has placed the world into an authoritarian surveillance state with the intent of mass genocide and has manipulated the heroes into giving it its resources, but I would hesitate to call a lot of its actions deliberately symbolic or nuanced beyond face value.. They also added Speculative Troping examples to Gotchard #33's recap suggesting Zein would have had a darker and more dramatic role in the episode, when in reality he only appears to kill one of the unambiguously-evil villains in the episode and leaves just as quickly to promote Outsiders.

I'm not sure if this is a policy violation in its own right, but I cannot deny in good faith that it is starting to compromise their writing and thus the quality of the pages they are editing.