Trope Pantheons Discussion

Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

Rules

Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:

When writing a profile, take note of the following:
- Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
- No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
  - You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
- When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
- You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
  - For new and reworked deities, 3 means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
  - For new and reworked deities, 4 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 5 is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
  - Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
- For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
  - For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 4 is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
- Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
- The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
- Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
- Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
- Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
- Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
  - On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
- Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
- Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
- To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
- Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

Instructions and Tips

Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

Preparing to write:
- First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
- If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
- Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
  - In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
- If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
- All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
- The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
- A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
- If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
- For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
- For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
- Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
Pantheon Content:
- Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
  - As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
- Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
- For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
For Profile Standards:
- Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
- Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
  - Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
  - On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
- Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
  - Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
- Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
  - Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

Divine Ranking System

Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

Templates

Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
For Pokémon deities only:
- Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
- Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
- Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
- Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
- Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
- Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
- Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
- Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
- Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
- Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
- Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
- Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
- Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
- The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
- The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
Domains: Things that the place has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
Domains: Things that the item has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

DoodSlayer136 Woagh from Pizza Tower (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters

Woagh

#193551: Oct 13th 2022 at 9:56:26 PM

Right, so here's the first draft for the Pumpkin King himself. The de-facto head of Halloween Town, Jack Skellington is driven to make every Halloween as exiting and terrifying as possible, and despite his passion for scaring is a nice man who wouldn't harm a fly, though is fully capable of holding himself in a fight.

Considering his passion for all things scary, any other friendly deity passionate about frights?
Are there other gods that tried to take over Christmas, considering that was Jack's initial plan?

Jack Skellington, The Personification of Halloween (The Pumpkin King, Jack Skeleton, Mr. Unlucky, Bone Daddy, Bone Man, Captain Jack, Inventor of Holiday Spirit)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/JackSkellington_5486.png

Greater God
Symbol: His Black Bowtie
Theme Songs: This is Halloween or Jack's Lament
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Portfolio: Spooky, But Not Remotely Evil, Friendly Skeleton, The Performer King, Loves All Things Scary, Incredibly Nice, Can Kick Ass When Necessary, The Good King, Occasionally Tires Of His Fame, Mood-Swinger
Domains: Holidays, Skeletons, Scaring, Stop Motion
Allies: Santa Claus, Sans and Papyrus, Sir Daniel Fortesque, The Dancing Skeletons, Peppermint Butler
Enemies: Oogie Boogie, Freddy Krueger, Scarecrow, Fiddlesticks, Spooky, Spinal
The ever-cheerful Jack Skellington is the "King" of Halloween Town, and by extension the representative for Halloween itself. As its most skilled monster, Jack essentially runs the town, and therefore is responsible for organizing Halloween every year, preparing various tricks and spooks for the holiday. While incredibly friendly and caring towards the residents, he often feels bored by the repetition of doing basically the same thing every year, and yearns for something different to spice things up. One Halloween, he seemingly gets his wish when he stumbles upon Christmas Town and discovers Christmas, promptly launching a scheme to replace Santa Clause for the year so that he can finally do something different. While initially successful at taking over, his attempt at Christmas ends in disaster, and he realizes how badly he screwed up and rushes to fix his mistake, managing to save Santa Clause from being killed by the sadistic Oogie Boogie. Having gained new ideas for the next Halloween, Jack resumes his original job with a now-returned passion, albeit never quite losing his desire to make every Halloween more interesting than the last.
Jack has actually been in the Pantheon for quite some time now, and it's all thanks to Santa Claus. Having understood his new friend's desire for inspiration, he figured that the Pantheon would be perfect for some ideas considering the abundance of spooky but benevolent deities, as well as it being good at keeping him in check in case of Jack pulling another stunt like last time. Jack, when Santa discussed the plan with him, was ecstatic at the idea and rushed to the Pantheon, where he was chosen to represent Halloween itself considering he ran the thing to begin with. Jack spends most of his time exploring the Pantheon in search of more inspiration for next Halloween, though he has found the time to relax and enjoy the more pleasant bits of the realm. Unfortunately, it wasn't long until his most hated enemy, Oogie Boogie, ascended as well, with Jack being perfectly willing to delay his plans just to foil the burlap sack whenever he causes trouble.

NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE

mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity

mdalsted

#193552: Oct 13th 2022 at 10:00:39 PM

How about the Grinch? He tried to steal Christmas, but had a change of heart after seeing how the Whos reacted.

On an unrelated note, Vastra has been successfully moved.

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.

Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself

uwu

#193553: Oct 13th 2022 at 10:08:35 PM

Koume Shirasaka love all things spooky and scary, like the undead. Skid and Pump are big fans of Halloween, and eagerly celebrate "Spooky Month" when October arrives.

THE GOLDEN AGE WILL RETURN AGAIN!

CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number

The Black Blade

#193554: Oct 13th 2022 at 10:14:57 PM

You could probably add something about Buddy Hobbs who was raised by elves and Santa Claus and went to NYC to meet his father. Despite a very rocky start, Buddy does manage to get on good terms with his dad and his new family as well as help Santa Claus in repelling the Central Park Rangers and raising up the Christmas Spirit. Despite his immaturity and childishness, Buddy is a good man, so I'd assume he and Jack would get along.

If you want malevolent Christmas figures, there's always SCP-4666, who would horrify Jack far more than Oogie-Boogie ever could.

"O, Death... become my Blade, Once More"

TheTropingAlliancer Nonsense Man from the Plane of Nonsense (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Nonsense Man

#193555: Oct 14th 2022 at 1:39:01 AM

Didn’t Linus Van Pelt’s entry mention Jack as The Great Pumpkin or whatever

Embrace the Insanity, Nonsense Man’s Activities are about to begin

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu

#193556: Oct 14th 2022 at 3:27:09 AM

~Hamana Hamana Hamana: I've deleted your signature as it was insulting. Do not put it back.

Also both you and others, please use edit reasons when deleting entries on the wiki.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

JNHZ31161 Since: Oct, 2022

#193557: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:43:31 AM

Hi, I'm still new and don't know much, but is there some sort of rules for making reworks or do I have to do a original profile first ?

m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not

Har har har

#193558: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:51:09 AM

Astronomical Bodies is now home to the planet Venus.

I don't think you need to do an original profile first, but I'm new too so don't take my word as gospel.

Edited by m-95 on Oct 14th 2022 at 10:53:19 AM

Please visit the "AITA" forum game

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009

#193559: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:57:02 AM

I object to removing Vulkan under Scary Black Man. Lore dump time as evidence he should stay.

Vulkan and his Salamanders chapter of space marines are from the planet Nocturne, a Death World known for violent volcanic activity and high radiation. In 2nd-4th edition, they had an African skin tone with glowing red eyes. A minor retcon occured in 5th edition where a weird glitch in their gene seed interacts with Nocturne’s conditions to turn their African skin to Ash Black. Note the trope says ANY dark skin hue counts as long as the character is large and intimidating.

Remember, Space Marines are large by the standards of most races (8-9 feet tall for regular, up to 11 feet tall for terminators). Vulkan being a Primarch dwarfs the terminators in size.

Speaking of intimidating, the Salamanders activity weaponize the trope when putting down rebellions and civil wars. There are accounts of the Salamanders ending such activity without fireing a single shot by taking advantage of their ashen skin, glowing red eyes (the two combined makes them look borderline demonic), and dragon motif armor to scare the shit out of people.

Best of all, Vulkan and his Salamanders are one of the older examples of an unambiguously non sterotypical and postive depictions of Scary Black Man. and they’re a fan favorite chapter.

Verdict: Vulkan profile is merely old. Thus a rework is best.

Edited by magnum12 on Oct 14th 2022 at 8:01:01 AM

CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number

The Black Blade

#193560: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:57:41 AM

Hello. Make yourself comfortable.

To answer your question, yes, you do need to ask for permission when it comes to posting a draft here, be it a new idea or a rework. Namely, you need to propose an idea you have as well as a trope in mind and then explain why and how the trope fits the idea well. This is a summation and not a profile draft, which is something that some tend to mistake. If the idea is given a , you're ready to make a profile draft. If it's a , you would have to reconsider your idea and choice.

You specifically said rework first, so I'll make it clear. When you suggest a rework, the same applies as above, but you also need to give a reason as to why you want to rework it. Fortunately, they tend to be simple explanations like "because the profile is underdeveloped" or "it doesn't look good by current standards".

If you want further clarifications, make sure you check out past pages as well to see how suggestions and nominations work.

Hope this helps.

Right. Then I guess James Heller could potentially either have Appendage Assimilation or Emergency Transformation, though I'm leaning more toward the former as it comes in the territory of being a Blacklight infectee and is the primary way for James gaining new powers and abilities throughout the game. Of course, they pay off when he's empowered enough to challenge his object of vengeance, which happens to be Alex Mercer.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Oct 14th 2022 at 4:12:38 PM

"O, Death... become my Blade, Once More"

JNHZ31161 Since: Oct, 2022

#193561: Oct 14th 2022 at 8:10:31 AM

Thanks, and I was refering to the Undertale profiles in general, since almost all of then are only references to fanon stuff or just really outdated. However I still too inexperience to make a proper rework.

Edited by JNHZ31161 on Oct 14th 2022 at 8:27:39 AM

m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not

Har har har

#193562: Oct 14th 2022 at 8:53:01 AM

Vulkan technically counts but he's an unusual example. The reason Scary Black Man is a trope is because it has connotations about race - that's why it's not Chair like Blondes Are Evil. Examples that aren't racially charged (e.g. Vulkan) can at least be compared to race. Vulkan is surely an example, but I wouldn't say he's a representation of the trope, if you catch my drift.

That said I don't mind too much either way if Vulkan stays or goes, or if Scary Black Man is still his trope. I'm just giving my two cents.

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magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009

#193563: Oct 14th 2022 at 9:10:00 AM

It should also be noted that the Salamanders ie the black space marines and their successors canonically have the scariest physical appearance of the Loyalist Legions.

Normal Appearance: Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, White Scars (are space Mongolians), Dark Angels, Raven Guard.

Slightly Abormal: Blood Angels (angelic looking vampires), Space Wolves (space Vikings with wolf like fangs.

Abormal: Iron Hands (heavily cybernetic but not very scary looking), Salamanders (explained above).

Note: Vulkan was picked for Scary Black Man by virtue of how scary he is. When a race of depraved torture elves want nothing to do with a planet they tormented for centuries just because of a specific guy and his “progeny”, he’s undisputedly the scariest example of the trope.

Edited by magnum12 on Oct 14th 2022 at 9:17:08 AM

JNHZ31161 Since: Oct, 2022

#193564: Oct 14th 2022 at 10:24:50 AM

Very well here my first Rework draft

Frisk, Divine Ambassador of Rewarded Mercy (Rank:Between Lesser Deity to Greater God)

Reasons: The message of Undertale is that you can overcome any obstacle with kindness and determination, this is reflected in-game with the best ending being only possible if you NEVER attack a normal enemy and befriend all major bosses, and if you do the opposite,then you gonna have a bad time.

Reasons for Rework: Frisk current profile is quite outdated, with very shory paragraphes, refences to old memes and not reflecting the Canon version of Frisk, so I intend to make a better profile thats more nauced with the pacifist version of Frisk.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#193565: Oct 14th 2022 at 3:55:07 PM

your idea

Speaking of reworks, if I am going on an unofficial hiatus I should finish some of my reworks. Here is an updated Palpatine and Padme rework draft. What did I miss and what should I add?

Sheev Palpatine, God of The Empire And The Dark Side (Darth Sidious, Dark Lord Of The Sith, Senator/Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine^noteor just "The Emperor", possibly Cosinga Palpatine II^noteonly in Legends canon, "The Shadow"^noteaccording to Darth Tenebrous, King Of The Beasts, The Sith'ari (self-proclaimed^noteit's actually Darth Bane), The Dark Side, The Phantom Menace, D the Superior, The D, The Pudding, Dark Improbity, Merke, Map, Jehovah the West Four, Paul, Pa El Pattinson, Mahler T, Parkinase Frank, Alright, Evil Too Weak, The Senate, "All The Sith"...or just Palpatine for short)

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^{As Supreme Chancellor}

^{Click here} for Palpatine's clone bodies left to right: Legends and Canon (initial and rejuvinated) incarnations

Note: Rework
Halls: Leadership, Depravity (House of Hatred and Rancor)
Greater God
Symbol: The Sith Insignia◊ and the Imperial Crest◊
Theme Song: The Emperor, The Emperor Arrives and Emperor's Throne Room
Alignment: Neutral Evil, bordering Chaotic post-resurrection (masqueraded as Lawful Good during the Republic and Lawful Evil during the Empire)
Portfolio
- In general: The Ultimate Villain Of The Skywalker Saga (even when off-screen), Manipulative Bastard par excellence, The Ace of The Dark Side, The Galaxy's Very Own Version Of The Devil, Adolf Hitler, And To A Lesser Extent Nixon And Augustus, Immortality Seeker, Ambition Is Evil, Dark Is Evil, The Corrupter, A Fan Favorite For His Sheer Epic And Unapologetic Villainy (though he claims good is a point of view), Disposes Of Anyone He No Longer Needs, Evil Old Folks, Psycho Electro, Faux Affably Evil (mainly to hide what he really is), A Fan Of The Opera And Culture, Evil Makes You Ugly, Villainous Legacy, Pride, Evil Cannot Comprehend Good and Sadism As His Critical Weak Points, The Power of Hate, The Evil Equivalent Of Yoda And Worse Version Of His Apprentice, Mysterious Past with NO Freudian Excuse in sight, Squishy Wizard, Evil Feels Good, Quite Possibly The Most Evil Being In All The Galaxy (ironic, given he's from Naboo), UNLIMITED POWER!!
- Applicable before the Empire: Wounded Gazelle Gambit, Self-Made Man, Not Wrong That The Jedi Have A Problem With Pride Or That There's Republic Corruption, Chancellor Of The Republic, Parental Substitute (not a good one), Pretending That Red Is Heroic, Evil All Along, Bastard Understudy turned The Starscream (ask Plagueis), A Dark Lord Of Memes, Acts As The Iago To Anakin, Secret-Identity Identity, Xanatos Speed Chess, Comes Out Of The Prequel Trilogy Victorious
- Applicable during and after to Empire: Obviously Evil Overlord, Wears A Simple Black Cloak, An Extremely Toxic "Friendship" With Vader (A Trait His Legends Counterpart Lacked, Doesn't Want To "Rule A Galaxy Of The Dead", Karmic Death, Operation: Cinder, Back from the Dead in both continuities But Not Forever, Not As Stable Post-Resurrection And It Shows, Luke, I Am Your Father (more like "Rey, I Am Your Grandfather"), attempted Familial Body Snatcher And Definitive Kinslayer, Came Back Wrong, Then Strong, By The End, The Galaxy Despises Him, Karma Houdini Warranty
- Applicable to Star Wars Legends only: Is Even More Unpleasant To The Point Of Downright Contemptibility, Adaptational Badass as well, Abusive Offspring, Murder in the Family, Started As An Impulsive Sociopathic Teenager, possibly The Antichrist, His Dad Was An Abusive Jackass, But That Doesn't Excuse ANYTHING, possible Straw Misogynist, Possibly Called Cosinga, But Doesn't Like It, Dragged Off to Hell
Domains: Ambition, Despotism, Empire, Military, Manipulation, Subversiveness, Deception, Treachery, The Dark Side, Hatred, Power Lust, Corruption, Evil
Heralds: His Inner Circle, including but not limited to Grand Vizier Mas Amedda, Ars Dangor, Sate Pestage, Sim Aloo, Janus Greejatus, Sly Moore and Kren Blista-Vanee, The Dark Side Adepts, Supreme Leader Snoke (not that he knows), Ochi of Bestoon, General Pryde
Author: George Lucas
Bastard Understudy to: Darth Plagueis (formerly, as his Sith apprentice), Melkor (currently)
Interested in: Dis, Godzilla, Starscream, Arthas Menethil, The Batman That Laughs, The Venom Symbiote
Allies
- Within the galaxy far, far away: Captain Phasma (by proxy of the First Order), Wilhuff Tarkin, Grand Admiral Thrawn^notefor now, Director Orson Krennic
- Other allies: King Cold and his sons, Aku, Tzeentch, Red Skull, Emperor Palamecia, Big Brother, M. Bison, Ghetsis Harmonia, Barney Stinson, Lord Drakkon, Lucrezia Mongfish
- Former allies: Darth Plagueis (his old master), Maul (his first apprentice), Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus (his second apprentice/interim until Vader), Asajj Ventress (by proxy via Dooku), Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader (his third apprentice and "prize"), Nute Gunray, Emir Wat Tambor, General Grievous (Seperatist Leaders)
On speaking terms with: Mr. Plinkett
Teeth-Clenched Teamwork with: General Grievous, Babidi
Rivals: Tenebrae, Thanos, Darkseid, Davros, The Combine, The Emperor of Mankind, Charles Zi Britannia, The Ur-Quan Kzer-Za, Megatron
- Friendly Rivalry with: Lord Voldemort, Sauron, Thaal Sinestro
Enemies
- Arch-Enemies: Anakin Skywalker (who's life he ruined and who killed him eventually), Luke Skywalker (for redeeming his father), Rey (his granddaughter, who killed him for good), Darth Maul (another life he personally ruined), Padme Amidala (his main political obstacle and wife of Anakin), Grandmaster Yoda (also The Rival in terms of the Force), Mace Windu (who he killed personally)
- Within the galaxy far, far away: Every single one of his former allies EXCEPT Grievous, EVERY OTHER JEDI, The Rebel Alliance and Resistance (most of all Leia Organa), Darths Bane, Zannah and Nihilus, Kreia, Jar Jar Binks, Galen Marek, Nom Anor, Ben Solo/Kylo Ren, The Ones
- Politically motivated enemies and "rebels": Lelouch vi Britannia, Suzaku Kururugi, Havelock Vetinari, Captain America, Optimus Prime, Josiah Bartlet, Char Aznable, Ryouma Nagare, Team Dai-Gurren, Nunnally Lamperouge, The New Alliance of Free Stars, The Interstellar Alliance Advisory Board, the Federation Starfleet
- Other enemies: Batman, Guy Shishioh, Gandalf, the Dalek Empire, the Ultras, Zordon, the Power Rangers
Opposed by: The House of Extraterrestrials
Respects: Emperor Augustus (in a Villain Respect way)
Dreads: Iroque, The Phantom Thieves of Heart
The Rule of Two was meant to ensure each new Sith Lord would be stronger than the last, which ultimately culminated in the Naboo senator Sheev Palpatine, aka Darth Sidious. Though the strongest Sith in Force powers, his true strength was political intelligence. He set up a crisis on Naboo to ride the sympathy vote to Supreme Chancellor, and a decade later started a proxy war to gain power: the Clone Wars. The Jedi's reputation was stained by the conflict, but the coup de grace was Order 66: after their attempt on his life, he'd order the clones to kill the Jedi and label the remaining Jedi as traitors...except for the newly minted Vader, who'd tie up loose ends like the Separatists. Through all this he completed transitioning the Galactic Republic into the military dictatorship known as the Galactic Empire. All he wanted was power absolute, and it seemed he had it. But Yoda and Kenobi survived to play the Long Game with children of Skywalker he thought had perished, and his new apprentice was severely wounded. And karma would eventually have its due.
- The start of Palpatine's downfall was the Rebel Alliance, which only grew when the Death Star's usage on Alderaan showed how the Empire is rotten to the core. However it would not be his despotism that would kill Palpatine, but what was meant to be his greatest prize: Darth Vader. As Anakin, Palpatine had acted like a father to groom him for apprentice-ship, and clinched it by playing on his fear of losing his beloved Padme and his resentment for the Jedi Council. But as Vader learned Luke was his son, he saw an opportunity. The Emperor saw Luke as Vader's replacement, goaded him into committing Patricide...but Luke refused to give in. Having gone off-script broke Palpatine's cool and he just decided to kill him for insubordination. But as he had underestimated Luke's morality, he forgot about the spark of light in Vader. This spark reignited Anakin Skywalker, who threw the Emperor to his death to save his son. Though Palpatine's last resistance had killed Anakin's body, his soul was saved.
- Not even death was the end for Palpatine however, though the circumstances depend on the continuity. An Immortality Seeker in either timeline, though not one concerned with his empire knowing; either leaving it to fall into civil war or using a Contingency to break it apart for letting him die. Through cloning, he would lie in wait In one timeline, he emerged under a new, dark side magocracy and still hoped to twist Luke to his cause. In another, he would serve as the secret de-facto leader of the First Order through Snoke. The galaxy would surrender or burn by his superlaser-powered Star Destroyers, and he intended to salvage his crippled body by taking Rey's body for herself...she was his grandchild^notewell, daughter of a Modified Clone after all. However his second conquest would not be nearly as successful, he would left without viable clone bodies, and either a survivor of Order 66 would drag his soul into Chaos or Rey with the guidance of the spirits of Jedi would destroy Palpatine with his own Force Lightning. Either way, after almost/more than a century Palpatine finally was snuffed out once and for all.
The Emperor joyously shouted "UNLIMITED POWER!" upon his ascension. His cunning, resources and strength in the Dark Side quickly made him a valued member of the Grand United Alliance of Evil, and following Sauron's defection to Darkseid a potential replacement for the fallen Maiar. The Emperor commands the GUAE Conquest Force and has a supporting role in the GUAE Malum Magia, much to Voldemort's chagrin; Sheev is quick to roast Voldemort by saying "I subverted democracy and ruled the galaxy for decades, you couldn't even take over a high school!" That being said, their rivalry isn't one of outright hatred as the two are pretty similar in power and aesthetics.
Despite supplanting him in Melkor's eyes Sauron actually likes Sidious as a Worthy Opponent. It helps that Palpatine has a more sensible endgame than Melkor. To stop him talking about Sauron Melkor boasted he created the Dark Side, but Palpatine rebutted "only in YOUR galaxy, and I sense it may be somewhere in or beyond the Unknown Regions. Melkor did lead to Palpatine considering the importance of gods of evil, having first looked for the Emperor of the Kingdom Dolorous only to be dissapointed Dis embodies "the trap of the Dark Side". Further search and study of the concept of physical evil led Palpatine to find Aku. Though they argue whether regular tyranny or Anarcho-Tyranny is better, the two enjoyed each other's company. For now, an armistace of convenience has been formed between their empires.
His plans span decades and he has a galaxy full of enemies, but perhaps none of his opponents has a more personal grudge than the Skywalker lineage. Though Anakin accepts he's at fault for what he did as Vader^noteto the point he felt he was irredeemable before Luke Palpatine was still the devil on his shoulder and the most negative influence in his life. As he founded and embodies the tyranny of the Empire, Leia is second on the list of "those in the Skywalker family who hate Palpatine", what with being a key figure in the Rebel Alliance and his more indirect role in Ben's turn to the dark side. And they're just some of the more obvious examples. On a more general level he is the Arch-Enemy to the Rebel Alliance and by extension the Resistance, who stand for the democractic principles he destroyed. This opposition led to the New Alliance of Free Stars joining the Rebels as the Galactic Empire is almost everything their alliance stands opposed to as well. Other interstellar law enforcement, marines and superheroes that advocate for freedom and oppose tyranny are considered enemies of the Empire by their very nature. On Palpatine's hit list are the Interstellar Alliance Advisory Board, The Federation of Starfleet, the Ultras, Zordon and the Power Rangers.
- Vader once stated "the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am", which says a lot. In Legends his response to the Death Star designer letting a critical flaw lead to its destruction was to torture them to death, revive them and repeat five more times so he gets the message. But none of his ex-subordinates are more angry at Sidious than Maul and Dooku/Tyrannus. The latter was always meant to be a tool to replace Anakin with one day, and the former was abandoned and had his brother killed by Sidious personally. Indeed, Maul may hate his master more than he hates Kenobi, which makes Palpatine laugh. After being betrayed and killed by Anakin on Palpatine's orders, Dooku has formed an Enemy Mine with the Jedi...and the ascended Separatists have severed ties from Sidious due to how Vader "took care of them".
- While he still played the beloved Chancellor role he manipulated Jar Jar Binks into granting him additional powers. While some like to joke Jar Jar was a secret dark side ally (and some even speculate that was in the original script), the truth is Binks is angry at himself for letting Palpatine play him for a fool and Palpatine for betraying everyone's trust. At this point it says something that one of Palpatine's only remaining in-universe allies is Tarkin, who's passion and brutality in the name of serving the Empire is near to Palpatine himself in its evil. That said, with the reveal of Operation Cinder even once loyal Imperials walk on eggshells working with Palpatine.
- Even Palpatine didn't come from nowhere, as he was trained as a Sith under Darth Plagueis. The details are ambiguous in canon, but in Legends Plagueis actually wanted them to stay a team. Of course Palpatine doesn't play second fiddle to anyone so he killed him in his sleep^note. Palpatine is fond of sitting down and asking if people have heard of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis. Plagueis called this "a bad joke" like other things he's done, only for Sidious to chuckle "no, calling you The Wise was a bad joke".
- Palpatine's second and hopefully final death was delivered by his own granddaughter, and for good reason; among his many crimes he had her parents killed for trying to hide her from him trying to steal her body. The fact she chose being a Skywalker annoys him to no end. Given that Rey's father was only meant to be a clone body for him to jump into but gained a will of his own, absolutely no-one blames her. Having been raised by Sidious, Maul wonders if Dathan was lucky.
- On Palpatine's end, he considers his greatest enemy to be the oldest enemy of the Sith: the Jedi. Having almost destroyed their order, that feeling is mutual. Having come close to besting him in battle (though how close is a matter of debate), Mace is rearing to finish the job. Yoda is another of Palpatine's arch-enemies, being his Light Side equal. However even many Sith before him disavow Palpatine. Though Zannah is amused by Palpatine's sadism and Bane has to admit he achieved the Sith's main goals, Bane is opposed to Palpatine's senseless, often self-defeating cruelty as his strongest virtue is being pragmatic. On his end Palpatine regards Nihilus as a disgrace to the Sith because his only real goal is feeding his Horror Hunger, even if that would kill everything.
  - There's one old Sith that does like Palpatine, though: Tenebrae, also known as Vitiate, the Sith Emperor or Emperor Valkorion. This is mainly because they're the closest in personality to one another; both are evil even by Sith standards, seek absolute power and are pretty skilled at doing so. It's often debated which of the two is the true strongest Sith Lord, and as both want supreme power over everything they consider each other major rivals.
As the archetype military dictator IN SPACE!. As such, he allies with proponents of authoritarianism like Emperor Mateus and M.Bison...though they're all equally self-absorbed so any friendship they have can be tossed aside. Personally Palpatine is more impressed by Big Brother (or more like rather the collective of INGSOC) for ensuring a human boot will step on the face of their subjects forever...and without any superhuman abilities or advanced tech at that! An actual person/fascist he respects is Deathshed, who won his war of oppression and like the Sith Lord mainly operates from the shadows, using state of the art weapons and tech designs. The Red Skull sees Palpatine as a worthy Nazi, which the Emperor isn't surprised by and in turn finds the Skull a skilled operator that the Empire has. By contrast, he regards the Aryan Brotherhood's Nazi flavor as only useful as disposable shock troopers.
As an iconic tyrant Palpatine also has many enemies who oppose him in a political level, such as Captain America who has seen fascism at his worst, or Josiah Bartlet who stands for and represents democracy as Padme did. Others like Lelouch and Kamina have the same kind of spirit and drive that "rebel scum". Outside of politics Gandalf regards him as a force of evil akin to "Sauron in human form". In Palpatine's defense he merely exploits the humanocentrism of the Empire, and he isn't just inspired by Adolf Hitler; he also takes influence from Napoleon and Augustus as "charismatic conquerors who subvert democracy". Augustus finds Palpatine cold-blooded but won't deny that he's absolutely cunning and politically intelligent...and Palpatine shares that sentiment. Napoleon is disturbed by Palpatine since he sees in him himself minus his ethics and integrity, though won't deny he accomplished much through merit.
Biologically he's only a father in the sense of "one of his clones had a mind of their own and fled", though he was also a Parental Substitute of Maul and Anakin. It's just that he was an awful father figure. Tellingly Ghetsis applauds his grooming and manipulation skills...admittedly because he wants in on the Imperial Court. The Emperor of Britannia and Emperor of Mankind deem him a worse parent and person than they could ever be, though they're more rivals to the Sith Lord; For Charles, he wishes to master the Force instead to truly create "a world without lies", while Big E regards the Galactic Empire as an opponent to the Imperium of Man. Palpatine responded by saying the Imperium of Mankind is just a theocratic version of his Empire...which might be something the Jedi agree on for once.
The Emperor is unpopular with the House of Extraterrestrials due to the Empire's humanocentrist views, but Palpatine will ignore that if it benefits him-hence he chose to ally with King Cold and family. While he's a bit jealous they can pull a Death Star with their finger, they've still come to respect the Emperor's efforts in military strategy and sheer intellect. They're also powerful aliens he can reason with. This is why he's privately afraid of the Daleks proving far persistent than he hoped, and they'd only leave a galaxy of the dead. The Combine are also problematic. Interestingly, Palpatine is a lot more confident dealing with the Daleks' creator, Davros, mainly because of his physical situation and seeing in the Kaled a Mad Scientist version of himself. Davros himself would rather subvert the Galactic Empire for his own end^note, but he does respect Palpatine as an opponent and as an Evil Genius.
The Ur-Quan Kzer-Za are somewhat of a middle ground between "aliens reasonable enough to side with the Galactic Empire" and "aliens who see no difference between the Empire and everything else". They believe other life forms should submit and actually see slavery as a good thing, believing that Palpatine has done some good steps for "readying" the galaxy...for them. Or as Palpatine has said, "they want all my stuff". Despite his similarities to Palpatine Megatron would rather compete with him for galactic dominance because of a dim view on organics and sometimes considering him TOO evil. The Emperor only laughs at his view on organics: he's a Master of All in both Dark Side powers and lightsaber combat in base, and come his resurrection he's practically a nexus and manifestation of The Dark Side. He isn't bluffing when he says he's all the Sith. Still, he wants even more power with is why he's been consorting with Tzeentch and hopes to eventually replace him. Tzeentch knows this, but they enjoy each other's byzantine chessmaster skills. On the forces of Chaos as a whole, Palpatine sees it as "what if the Dark Side had no light side to oppose it?", which given the nature of Chaos is an accurate assessment.
While they haven't succeeded in the galactic empire business, Babidi and Thaal Sinestro have a plan to. Babidi's desire for power is simpler than even Palpatine's, however Darth Sidious isn't dismissive of another evil and power-lusting mage, especially since he has the power to mind control people based off the darkness in their hearts. As such, he has convinced the alien to serve as a Dark Side adept...mainly to keep him on a tight leash. Sinestro is more concise in his goal: he wants to ensure an ordered cosmos through the power of fear. Palpatine reached out a hand, commending him as having the better halves of Tarkin and Thrawn...only for Sinestro to respectfully decline as neither's ego can abide being subservient to each other. However they do respect each other's capabilities, and its that pride alone that stops Palpatine from getting his hands on a Sinestro Corps Ring...for good reason.
Palpatine says good is a point of view, though that might be an excuse to act as evil as he likes since he doesn't mind being called evil; he was always evil and may have even killed his own family. Damien Thorn mused that this proves Palpatine is his equivalent in the Force. In turn Palpatine has taken quite the liking to the kid and would rather they be allies than rivals...for the time being. Even Lucas himself has described him as the Devil of Star Wars. He enjoys the Dark Side so much that Iroque and the Phantom Thieves are one of only gods who he's unnerved by. He's the absolute tyrant that both the Indigo Tribe and the Phantom Thieves believe needs a severe Heel–Face Brainwashing, and Sheev considers what they would try to do to him^note a Fate Worse than Death.
One of the other few beings that makes the Emperor nervous is Godzilla, due to his experience with the Zillo Beast: the creature's rampage and inability to manipulate put him in a rare moment of vulnerability, and he regrets the mistake he made in bringing it to Coruscant. At the same time he admires Godzilla because of its frightening power. He only regretted the Zillo Beast's escape, as he valued its power and wanted to clone the beast. He's interested in doing so to Godzilla, just from a distance. Another being he seeks the power of is the Venom Symbiote. The parasitic Symbiotes turn even a normal person into a One-Man Army at weakest, Civilization Destroyer at strongest; imagine what Palpatine could do with them. Add in how easy they are to augment, that they draw power from hatred and being attuned to the Darkness by nature, and you have a near-perfect source of power for Palpatine to draw from. However, Sidious feels he needs to use Sith Alchemy so his Symbiote would be completely compliant and an extension of himself.
He is one of the most well-known galactic conquerors, but not the only one. He boasts at being the best because unlike the other ascended conquerors he did not take over the galaxy through being a Person of Mass Destruction or some grand military conquest, but by political manipulation of a democracy into a dictatorship. While not as politically focused, Thanos has proven as brilliant as he is powerful, which is why Palpatine sees him as a true Worthy Opponent. Also, he wants the Infinity Gauntlet as well: even if it cannot be used in a universe it isn't native to; he could certainly have fun with one universe. Darkseid is a rival, though the Lord of Apokolips sees Palpatine as more a smaller scale version of himself. When the Emperor pointed out he disregarded the Infinity Gauntlet for not only being limited to the Marvel universe, Darkseid merely smirked with "why would Darkseid be concerned with one universe?". Palpatine just smiled "good" at that. At some point he was also tipped off of about the Throne...and his jaw dropped realizing he could not only become the defining principle of the Force with it, but become GREATER than the Force.
Lucrezia Mongfish was surprised that someone as cunning as Palpatine "choked at the finish line" when it came to cloning vessels^noteone clone became his own person and wanted nothing to do with him, another wasn't able to physically withstand his spirit and his attempt at being a Familial Body Snatcher were a bigger failure. After all, she had more success with a lot less resources. However, she approves of his parenting methods and brilliantly sinister mind. The two made a deal: she'll teach him how to refine the art of body snatching, and he'll teach her the mysteries of the Force. They're both sociopaths but they enjoy scheming together for universal conquest. However Palpatine wants to hedge his bets and has been researching more ways to prolong his life, hence the research into the Hall of Forms of Immortality. Some of these endeavors include:
- Trying to locate the Dragonballs to wish for immortal life. In order to improve their relationship Frieza gave Palpatine some advice: immortality could very well lead to never-ending misery. As such, Palpatine has chosen his wishes carefully; he first wants to be immune to the decay of the Dark Side, then wish to be forever young. Finally, wish only he can use the Dragonballs and wait until they're usable again for both Instant Transmission, ability to ignore pain and THEN the Complete Immortality will be his.
- His rivalry with Voldemort has led Palpatine to try and use the Dark Side to learn just how he can make horcruxes of his own. Unlike Voldemort he's a lot more ascetic and wouldn't make them obvious/meaningful trinkets (well, maybe one of them could be meaningful), and with the use of interstellar travel he would keep them as hidden and far apart as possible...assuming they can still work on interstellar distances, of course.
There is one trait of Palpatine that's both not evil, and genuine; he is a patron of the arts; Thanos may be a rival, but he appreciates fine art and along with Frieza the Emperor like to debate the meaning of different works of art. The House of Theater and Spectacle is perhaps the one time he acts polite and well-behaved. Palpatine on his end isn't fond of Naboo's grandiose art style, preferring more modest styles and minimalist works. He's also at his nicest as the owner and bartender of the Villain Pub, in which many villains are commonly seen relaxing, complaining about heroes, or discussing various subjects. Again, not enough to be redeeming but it shows he can be genuinely affable once in a blue moon...or more cynically, it's a case of Adaptational Nice Guy in effect^note.
Despite his hatred of the Prequel Trilogy Mr Plinkett is a big fan of Palpatine since he's one of the few things he liked about it: Palpatine takes such delight in being pure evil he can't help but love that. While this is the general reason for Palpatine's fanbase, the fact this is Mr Plinkett saying this does make the Emperor wonder...One mortal he has taken a liking too is Barney Stinson, due to his Rooting for the Empire tendencies, and rewarded him with a position as a minister of Imperial propaganda. The Galactic Emperor has also taken some Game Theory videos out of context for propaganda. However, in spite of this "friendship" any friend or ally he has is considered disposable so long as they are no longer needed..or become a liability. Palpatine himself has an honorary position in the House of Betrayal and Treachery, as he finds their activity amusing. He has a particular interest for King Arthas as he reminds him of Vader, and he thinks Starscream would be a worthy Sith...just not the apprentice he wants.
Interestingly despite everything he still sees Vader as his favorite apprentice, if in a "most valuable object" sort of way. Before Mustafar, Sidious boasted to Yoda that Vader would become more powerful than either of them, and this has led him to be interested in Vader-esque deities who wholly dedicated themselves to evil instead of having the lingering regrets he failed to notice in time. He likes Lord Drakkon for playing the long game and wholly dedicating himself to the more metaphorical dark side, though he does criticize him for bratty. Again, the idea of an irredeemable Vader is another reason why Sauron is a friendly rival. He also likes The Batman Who Laughs for being a truly self-abased dark knight and Fallen Hero who wants to subject reality to his deranged desires, though he recognizes him as a bit too crazy for his current tastes. The Darkest Knight is personally fond of Sidious, but believes Palpatine's more frightened of him than anything.
Yes, his first name is Sheev. Jokes were made over how "unimpressive" it is. Rather than get angry, a scowling Palpatine reminded people that it is likely based off "Shiva" given the general Indian theme-naming found on Naboo. It also sounds like "shiv". He prefers it over his implied Legends name of Cosinga, since it's the name of his father who he hated and was the very first person he murdered^note. Besides his political and Sith titles Palpatine will sometimes go by The Senate, despite only saying it once. He doesn't go by Frank though, but when people think it's his first name he does smirk a little.

Padmé Amidala, Goddess of Elective Monarchy and Ridiculously Large Wardrobes

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Padme in just one of her many outfits.

^{Click here} for a wider range of her wardrobe

Hall: Monarchs (House of Royalty), Clothing Style (House of Costumes)
Demigoddess
Symbol: The Sigil of the Galactic Republic
Theme Song: "Across the Stars"
Alignment: Lawful Good
Portfolio: Having A Collection Of Outfits More Valuable Than Anything Else She Owns, Being Kind To Her Droid And Gungan Allies, All Girls Want Bad Boys as I Can Change My Beloved (doesn't end well), All-Loving Heroine, Regal Ringlets, Flirting Under Fire, Taking Back Her Own Planet, Relying On Diplomacy To Gain Allies To Her Cause, Elective Monarchy, Disguising Herself Among Her Bodyguards For Protection, being Doomed by Canon through Death by Despair And Childbirth, Morality Pet Until A Certain Point, Muggle–Mage Romance, Ermine Cape Effect
Domains: Democracy, Monarchy, Peace, Principles, Love, Tragedy, Costumes
Author: George Lucas
Special relationship with: Anakin Skywalker (her husband), Ben Solo/Kylo Ren (her grandson)
Allies
- In the galaxy far, far away: Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa (her children), Jar Jar Binks (her representative), Most Jedi and members of the Rebel Alliance (especially Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Ahsoka Tano and Yoda), C-3PO and R2-D2
- Political allies: Josiah Bartlet, Prince Zuko, John F Kennedy, Duchess Anna Henrietta, Delenn
- Other allies: The Grand United Alliance of Good, Mathilda and Leon, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Steve Rogers/Captain America, Elsa (Frozen), Princess Sofia
On good terms with: Han Solo (her son-in-law), Chewbacca, Rey, Finn (allies of her children), Thor
Enemies
- Arch-Enemies: Sheev Palpatine, Nute Gunray
- In the galaxy far, far away: Both the Galactic Empire and Separatists (more so the former), Jabba the Hutt
- Political enemies: The Hall of Tyrannical Figures and the Harbingers Of Repression, Charles zi Britannia, Fire Lord Ozai, Johann Schmidt/the Red Skull and Nazis/fascists in general, The Corpus, Sundowner, Morris, The Glukkons
- Other enemies: Euron Greyjoy, Cersei Lannister, Hans Westergard, The Batman Who Laughs
Armistice with: Count Dooku
Sympathy for the Devil towards: Arthas Menethil
Pities: The Masked Man, Romeo and Juliet
Wary of: Maul (former enemy)
Padme Amidala was elected Princess and later Queen of Naboo at a very young age. Her people loved her enough to change the laws to keep her in the position, but she insisted her terms were over and would allow someone else a turn. During her time as queen she was able to defy a Trade Federation takeover and prevent Naboo from being taken over. After her role as queen ended, she later served as Senator for the planet within the Galactic Republic. In a Republic mired with beauacracy and corruption she was a force of democractic principles, and during the Clone Wars fought hard against the military industrial complex. On a more personal level she would serve as the angel on Anakin's shoulder, and secretly his wife. Sadly, Palpatine manipulated his feelings into being more possessive, having him turn against the Jedi in a promise to save her from impending doom. And it was his turn to the dark side which led to Padme's doom; seeing his fall, and lashing out at her, led her to lose the will to live.
- Padme's death, and the belief he was both responsible and killed her while she was pregnant, led Anakin (now Vader) to believe he was irredeemable. But unknown to him and Palpatine, she had lived long enough to carry her children to turn, and despite her broken heart believed there was still good in him. 2 decades later, she was vindicated; when her son Luke learned who Vader was, he proved he inherited his compassion and sought to redeem his father. And Vader became Anakin once more to save Luke from certain death, having learned from his mistake. Beyond her family, she contributed to what would eventually evolve into the Rebel Alliance. Without knowing of their relationship, her daughter Leia would carry on that spirit of democracy and the Skywalker fire.
If there was any chance for Anakin to return back to Vader in the Trope Pantheon, it died upon him finally reuniting with Padme. Because of their difficult and complicated relationship, Anakin initially couldn't form the words. Eventually he broke down crying, profusely apologizing for what he's done and stated while she doesn't have to look over his past sins he hopes she accepts he has turned over a new leaf. Padme and Luke have both sworn to help Anakin fully atone for his actions and be as much of a family as they can be. Leia is far more conflicted since while Anakin was Vader he was a far more personal and long-standing enemy. However she has nothing but pride for her biological mother as Padme is a pillar of democracy and the Republic's virtues. And she's not alone in those who want to see the family work out their differences.
- When it comes to her extended family, she's deeply upset to see her grandson Ben fall down a similar path to her husband, and worse; kill her son-in-law, but was glad to see that he eventually turned back to his light and gave his life to save the woman he cares about. Ben knows how Padme is conflicted by her, which is why he prefers to keep his distance. Rey, an honorary member of the Skywalker family, was interested in her. Both her and Finn came to respect the Naboo senator for her compassion and personal integrity. In terms of her in-laws, Padme can't help but think Leia inherited her taste in men, though Han grew into a genuine believer in the Rebel cause. Chewbacca and Finn are on good terms with her due to her close ties with Leia; the latter's past as an abducted child saddens Padme given her natural abhorrence to slavery, and sympathy for her husband's past as a slave.
- While Padme is saddened by Jar Jar Binks giving Palpatine emergency powers, she also knows he was just as used by Palpatine as she was. Sure he's somewhat annoying, but he's a long-time political ally and her representative as senator. There's some also bittersweet feelings with Obi-Wan as he was forced to duel and nearly kill Anakin, but that doesn't change the fact the two are very close friends. Out of the Jedi, she's closest with Ahsoka Tano due to her strong bond with her husband, and Qui-Gon for his heroic efforts during the Naboo blockade. While not as much of a friend she still trusts Yoda and his judgement, as he was one of the secret keepers of her twins.
Initially Nute Gunray was her Arch-Enemy, and while the two still really don't get along, with the Neimoidian ordering a number of assassinations on her, they do have an enemy she hates even more: Palpatine. He posed as a close friend and ally, only to have been the man behind the Trade Federation's actions, the Separatists, the destruction of the democracy she fought for, and the corruption of the man she loves. The Viceroy is only mad about being a loose end Sidious got rid of so this shared enmity isn't nearly enough for an Enemy Mine situation; the Separatists still oppose Padme. And she personally opposes the Galactic Empire as well. However, Count Dooku was more willing to call a truce with the senator due to ultimately working with the Jedi against the greater evil that is his former master.
- Darth Maul was part of the plot to blockade the Trade Federation on Naboo. However he didn't have anything against her, and is mostly indifferent to Padme. However he is still an enemy of the Jedi and his own schemes potentially threaten the democracy she fights to protect, so they're still on poor terms. On another note, Jabba has gone from someone who was at least ambivalent to an enemy because he tried to execute her son and do terrible things to her daughter. She chewed him out as their father saved his son, and when he tried to deflect blame by saying he didn't know she reminded him the name "Skywalker" should've made him think differently. Not that Jabba cares that much.
Padme is an important political figure within the GUAG. While she is an Action Girl when it calls, her greatest strength is her personal courage and integrity in standing for what she believes in; the resources of the alliance have allowed her to recreate the Delegation of the 2000. She's a natural ally to Josiah Bartlet and Delenn, who's spiritual upbringing already made her interested in the Force. Anna Henrietta and Prince Zuko are members of royalty that serve as political allies and friends of Padme; she can't help but be reminded of Anakin from Zuko, and believes he's what he'd have become if he never fell to the dark side. Anna is impressed by Padme's wardrobe, and more so impressed by her actions as queen and senator. However she still doesn't respect her husband for how he let himself be manipulated by Palpatine. Padme's defense? "Who's strings wasn't he pulling?!"
Outside of her galaxy and extended political circle, Padme Amidala has a number of friends. Her personal virtues got an approval from Steve Rogers, and in the theater of Royalty she has the respect of Princess Sofia. Due to Disney's buyout of the Star Wars franchise, Padme smirks wondering if this makes her an aversion to negative stereotypes of Disney queens. Elsa, a member of Disney royalty, has decided to start up conversations with her as both are interested in each other's setting and their mutual abilities. Much to Hans' chagrin, Elsa warned Padme of him. The former queen of Naboo holds no respect for him because she has dealt with her emotionally troubled husband and entitlement of her ex; far as she's concerned Hans "has all the flaws of Anakin and Rush, without either's redeeming traits". For his part the disgraced prince isn't interested in badgering Padme because even if she was single he wouldn't gain anything trying to marry her, but he's still pissed at her comments at his expense.
If there's any group she holds in more contempt that the Galactic Empire, it's the Harbingers of Repression; Darkseid in particular chills her to the bone as "Palpatine but a thousand times worse". On principle she opposes tyrants, fascists and their ilk, but she also opposes ruthless corporatism and capitalism like the Glukkons, who are too close in personality to the Trade Federation for her liking. They take some offense for that, but only because they don't want to be compared to Neimodian cowards. Those who feed the military industrial complex and act as war profiteers like Sundowner are also people she detests, having seen Separatist Council members like Wat Tambor act just like him. And of course, she is revolted by Firelord Ozai for being a horrible father and mad imperialist; the fact he sounds like her son creeps her out.
The idea of an Elective Monarchy is considered novel to the inhabitants of Westeros, though they are more than aware of the Realpolitik and political quagmires that Padme Amidala has to deal with. The former queen of Naboo isn't happy to learn that one of the major factions to employ said royalty is the Iron Islands...aka one big Viking stereotype. And Euron Greyjoy having won the kingsmoot was not a good look; she thinks someone as deranged as him should never have seen life outside a prison cell. The notorious queen is baffled and angry that she could be such an important politician despite being a woman and resents her. Padme sees her as a jaded, bitter and envious person who's proven her gender doesn't play into her actual ineptitude as a politician. However, she's not surprised how she could become so bitter in the first place.
Despite the initial bad impression she got from Westeros, she was pleasantly surprised that for every bad king like Maegor the Cruel, there's been at least two good kings like Aegon the Conqueror and Daemon II. However it's not a king of Westeros she's become most fond of, but a lord...Eddard Stark. While she thinks his sense of humor needs to improve, she applauds him for his morality, honor-bound code and refusal to give in to vices...she just wishes he handled Cersei in a smarter manner. His son Jon Snow has also gotten her respect for inheriting his dad's virtues. In an interesting coincidence, both Jon and Padme's kids had their true parentage in the dark to protect them.
Thor can't help but be reminded of Jane Foster when he looks at Padme. Padme thinks he's cool and likes that someone is using lightning for good, and the two like to swap stories, but that's mostly it. John F Kennedy was a lot more sociable with her, not just because she reminds him of his wife but because he respects her as a great senator; Jack himself served as a senator and wrote a book on great senators in U.S history. He also flirted a bit with her but when Anakin ignited a lightsaber he got the message and stopped. Also while he's a philanderer, he respect Padme enough to only be playful; he's actually sympathetic to the troubles Anakin and Padme had with a secret relationship.
- Another reason the Red Skull hates her is because he sees her as Jewish because her actor Natalie Portman is Israeli-American. Padme just rolls her eyes at his comment because practically no-one respects his opinion. As if to provoke her he's pointed out her Fantastic Racism towards Neimodians, only to respond that yes: because of the Trade Federation she has a negative opinion on them. But she knows she shouldn't and won't let that cloud her judgement.
Due to how her husband fell out of fear for her death, the former queen of Naboo thinks it's best to mind her own business visiting the Halls of Forms of Immortality and Life Manipulators, especially the latter as that's where Darth Plagueis is set. The latter has joked she just wants to avoid a potential in-law. Unlike Anakin she's not paranoid about the House of Prophecy or Time and Temporality. Within the former she's become interested in Neo and the Three Heroes due to their chosen one status, but only respects the former and would rather ignore the latter.
The time she and Anakin have had in the Trope Pantheon has made her think of other love stories that ended poorly, mainly Romeo and Juliet. Like the two their love was taboo, and even more dangerous that a Jedi and senator getting together; naturally they pity the tragedy of the two. Padme has also been thinking of deities who remind her of her husband, like King Arthas; she feels sympathy towards his tragic fall, but like with Vader on Mustafar she refuses to support the path he went down. Both her and Anakin feel a lot of pity for the Masked Man due to his forcible conversion into an antagonistic cyborg against his will. But then, there's the Batman Who Laughs, who is what Vader may have been like had he not only never redeemed himself, but wholeheartedly embraced his inner darkness in a way that'd make Sidious blush. Naturally, the two are disgusted and disturbed by the Darkest Knight.
As Vader, Anakin tried to resurrect her twice. The first time involved a dark side locus, however the apparition of Padme destroyed herself in what may have been the dark side giving him a form of closure. Later on he tried to use the Bright Star, but his plan was thwarted. Now she's back she's made it clear she doesn't want to be saved at the expense of others. She once had coffee with Barry and he mentioned he knows what that's like, having unwittingly caused the Flashpoint to stop his mother's death and having to let her go to save the timeline. Homura Akemi intimidates her because of the lengths she went to to save the girl she loved reshaped the very structure of the cosmos.
She doesn't like people who make light of her Death by Despair by saying "she died of sadness" or make fun of how she was fine with Anakin's weird sand speech. Palpatine loves to bring this up, especially since Anakin fully rejected him. He'll at least concede she had a good line to his New Era Speech.
Padme: "So this is how liberty dies; with thunderous applause".

r-lock256 (Spin-off Series)

#193566: Oct 14th 2022 at 5:08:10 PM

@Dood Slayer: Winterbolt was someone who wanted to reclaim his role as ruler of the North Pole from Santa, which would likely destroy Christmas if his plan succeeded.

Malevolent Halloween figures include Mad King Thorn, Warcraft's Headless Horseman, and Jack O'Lantern.

Here's a couple of new Pantheon profile ideas:

The Operation Razorteeth and Lake Victoria Piranhas (Piranha Problem): The former group of piranhas was designed as a bioweapon while the latter were prehistoric piranhas that somehow managed to survive for a long itme. In both cases, they cause plenty of havoc, brutally eat anyone in their way, and in general are very aggressive.
- Similar to how Kelp and Klump's profile focuses on both the original and remake of The Nutty Professor despite some differences between these films, this profile is intended to focus on both the piranhas of the original 1978 film and its sequel, as well as the remake and the sequel to said remake.
Shinichi Izumi & Migi (Lovecraftian Superpower): The series (which has a strong emphasis on Body Horror) revolves around parasitic worms that invade Earth and take over anyone they possess, and in doing so, can transform their bodies into bladed tentacle weapons. Shinichi Izumi gets a parasite in his right arm who he names Migi, allowing him to maintain free will as opposed to the other parasite-infected humans who had their brains taken over, and in addition to fighting them, there is some philosophical musings as to what it means to be human, especially with Shinichi's right hand being home to an amoral parasite that gradually develops a better understanding of what humanity is.
- There may have been an idea a while back to suggest them for Orifice Invasion as the story is kicked of parasites invading people, usually done in the ear, but since Shinichi woke up and noticed what was happening, the parasite burrowed through his arm and Shinichi tied headphone wires around his arm to prevent it from fully taking over, leading to him and Migi Sharing a Body. That said, nothing was ever done with that idea.

HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)

Dog or Oni?

#193567: Oct 14th 2022 at 5:12:31 PM

As for Vulkan, just delete him. I'll find a reason to bring him back when I want to.

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!

Necromancer10 Buddy from Crakcarz, the Continent of Wacky Necromancers Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection

Buddy

#193568: Oct 14th 2022 at 5:22:22 PM

For Padme's profile, you could mention The Alliance of Free Stars since aside from starship battles, diplomacy is something they practice overall, considering it was their method for setting up the Alliance in the first place. Same with Commander Shepard, and don't forget the Interstellar Alliance Advisory Board. Add said feedback in and you have my for both.

I like both ideas .

Started up with a barebones draft of the protagonists of Liberty's Kids. They've essentially lived through the entire American Revolution with Benjamin Franklin, up to America winning the war and creating the Constitution. The two perspectives of the Revolutionary War are represented by the America-born James Hiller, who is very much pro-freedom/revolution, and isn't afraid to show off his patriotism. Sarah Phillips in contrast is a British noble who originally is against the revolution and more supportive of the British until later on (and criticizes the questionable actions of the revolutionaries). Henri is a young stowaway from France and Moses is a former black slave who earned his freedom and hopes for racial equality. Any individuals related to the American Revolution?

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James Hiller, Sarah Phillips, Henri LeFevbre, and Moses, Divine Representatives of the Sympathetic Point of View

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Clockwise from top-left: James, Sarah, Moses, Henri

Potential Hall: Storytelling
Quasideities
Symbol: An issue of the Pennsylvania Gazette
Theme Song: Through My Own Eyes
Alignment: Neutral Good overall, though James and Henri lean towards Chaotic Good where Sarah leans towards Lawful Good
Portfolio: Being Involved In The American Revolution's History, Romanticism Versus Enlightenment, Supportive Of The Revolution But Acknowledging The Other Side's Merits And The Revolutionaries' Flaws
Domains: The American Revolution, Journalism, Loyalists, Revolutionaries, Points of View, Ambiguity
Allies: Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Captain America, Clark Kent, Atticus Finch, The Broforce, Pocahontas, Sethe, April O'Neil, Jade, Lois Lane
Conflicted Opinions on: America, Anarky
Oppose: The Enclave, Ratcliffe, Senator Steven Armstrong, Frank Underwood, Calvin Candie and Stephen, Benjamin Cameron, Nixon's Head, Funny Valentine
The American Revolution was known as a grand historical event marking the independence of the American colonies from the British Empire. In spite of the odds being against the revolutionaries, the Americans managed to endure and eventually overcome British enforcement and military until eventually gaining the decisive victories to finally earn freedom from the British. While the Americans at the time were more than proud of what they earned from defeating the British army, their revolution wasn't exactly spotless or devoid of an ugly side, with some people having their own just reasons to oppose the American Revolution. In one particular timeline, it would be up to the work of the journalists of the Pennsylvania Gazette to cover the events of the American Revolution, from the struggles the Americans took to overcome their enemies' numbers, and the experiences of the citizens living through such an uncertain time, whether Revolutionary or Loyalist.
While the likes of all of them had lived through the American Revolution and experienced the beginning of a new nation, it was relatively uncertain how they would live their lives after America had started making its own new laws and beginning to act with newfound independence. For this occasion, however, circumstances ended up causing them all to have their fates entwine once again in a place that was very much not America. Highly confused at their new destination, they were even more befuzzled at their new designation as "gods". Learning that they were chosen to be part of the Pantheon for a "trope" they were suitable for, mainly for seeing toward the struggles of both allies and enemies alike, they were all much too humble about their new position until understanding that their new roles only gave them special immortality and the ability to interact with people of many other worlds, even those of similar or different American histories, or of other countries and planets entirely. While unsure at first, the opportunity to see how America could branch out and expand from its independence, on top of many curiosities about their new world had them determined to take advantage of their position.
The four of them were delightfully surprised at Benjamin Franklin's presence in the Pantheon, and for such a long time compared to them as well. Before trying to pester him with Benjamin's knowledge of the Pantheon, they wanted to know how the Pennsylvania Gazette was going in the Pantheon. Franklin decided that while the Revolution was long over, perhaps there could be potential for making news of all the revolutions and fights for freedom in the Pantheon and the mortal realms around them. James and Sarah decided to take the opportunity to highlight the struggles, merits, and at times, mistakes, of those who seek liberty and freedom from higher powers. Henri decided to go along with them to explore the Pantheon, and Moses, while having his own plans in the Pantheon, decided that he could afford some time to help them out.

Edited by Necromancer10 on Oct 14th 2022 at 8:25:45 AM

Beep-beep

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#193569: Oct 14th 2022 at 10:09:14 PM

@ Hamana: Would you consider a group profile of the Primarchs or no? Just a thought I've had on the backburner

HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)

Dog or Oni?

#193570: Oct 14th 2022 at 11:38:58 PM

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!

lawliet-saw-whet Resident Trope Lurker from Your Head, In Your Head, Zombie, Zombie Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady

Resident Trope Lurker

#193571: Oct 15th 2022 at 3:58:08 AM

@DoodSlayer136 - Jack Skellington

Sora, Donald and Goofy - because Kingdom Hearts and that they visited his world.
Coraline Jones, James Henry Trotter and his Bug Friends because they have the same superior, Henry Selick. So does The Other Mother, Coraline's enemy.
Often confused for one of Tim Burton's creations since Tim Burton was the one for made the concept but not involved for much of the film's production. There's a theory where Victor Van Dort became Jack Skellington after he died◊. Fortunately, Victor and Jack may met in the Pantheon to confirm they are not the same person. Emily is Jack's friend.
On that note, it would be curious to bring up the theories that he was once a human before.
Speaking of Tim Burton, I would like to see him interact with other characters of his creators due to their similar dark vibe. Lydia Deetz, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands
Linus van Pelt mistakes him as the Great Pumpkin and Jack ran with it.
Dipper and Mabel might share to Jack that the people of Gravity Falls loves Halloween so much, they celebrate it twice. It's called Summerween.

@Necromancer10 - Liberty's Kids

Ratonhnhaké:ton/Connor - His game takes place during The American Revolution
The Headless Horseman - "most believe he is the spirit of a Hessian trooper who was decapitated by a cannon-ball during The American Revolution"
Carmen Sandiego messed around the American Revolution not once but twice^note.
People not related to American Revolution
- Col. Benjamin Cameron - Of course, he would not liked by Moses or anyone else from their group, with the Cameron being pro-slavery. On a related note, I would wonder what is their reactions to The American Civil War thought.
- Tintin is also a reporter even tho we rarely see him report anything (besides his early years) and it's usually just a plot excuse to travel to different places. The fact that Tintin is Belgian (who likely speaks French) makes him have a potential interaction with Henri.
Other Ideas - What's their reactions to worlds where America Is Still a Colony?

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Oct 16th 2022 at 12:52:55 AM

Mood Status: Currently suffering from cringe.

kingvideogames Every Kel Profile is Canon from SOMEWHERE down in Fullertown; don’t know where.. Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!

Every Kel Profile is Canon

#193572: Oct 15th 2022 at 9:32:22 AM

@Jack Skellington

Erma Williams has crossed Jack's path twice before, first when she enjoyed Jack's version of Christmas, and the second being to carve pumpkins with him and the main three characters from Corpse Bride.

Hates Konrad Curze for him using fear to get what he wants, along with Pitch Black for using fear as a weapon to hurt others.

Also, how would Jack feel toward people who just don't get scared that easily? Would he see that as a challenge? Or how about those that get scared too easily, like Courage or Luigi?

Time to rise and shine. Good morning!

SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form

#193573: Oct 15th 2022 at 12:01:17 PM

Im definitely interested in how Jack would view Luigi’s Cowardly Lion behavior, especially considering this helped him save his brother from King Boo Thrice.

I’m plotting my schemes wherever I go! They’re perfect in every way…

Mattman_the_Storyteller Since: Aug, 2018

#193574: Oct 15th 2022 at 5:32:27 PM

@Jack Skellinton

Rea Sanka has Jack Skellington listed as one of her allies. In the epilogue of her story, Rea tends to scare people as the White Witch by demanding body parts in exchange for granting wishes. The Pumpkin King would probably offer her a spot in Halloween Town for this.

Edited by Mattman_the_Storyteller on Oct 15th 2022 at 5:35:00 AM

Titania21 CHOSO GOT BAE from Deep Since: Jan, 2020 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu

CHOSO GOT BAE

#193575: Oct 15th 2022 at 5:41:52 PM

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