Peasant: If... She... Weighs... The same as a duck... She's made of wood.
Bedevere: And therefore...?
Another Peasant: ... A witch!
Crowd: A witch! A witch! A witch!!
Witch: It's a fair cop.
Insane Troll Logic is the kind of logic that just can't be argued with because it's so demented, so lost in its own insanity, that any attempts to make it rational would make it more incomprehensible. It is logic failure that crosses over into parody or Poe's Law. A character thinks in such a blatantly illogical manner that it has to be deliberate on the part of the writer.
For examples of characters who engage in this, see The Ditz, Cloudcuckoolander, Strawmen, Moral Guardians, and of course trolls of both internet and mythological origin. A character will tend to use this when he thinks he is smarter than he really is. For when the Insane Troll Logic leads to a true conclusion, see Bat Deduction and Right for the Wrong Reasons. If this trope is exaggerated beyond the point that it even makes grammatical sense, it can become a Word Salad Philosophy. If reality actually follows the troll logic, then the normal rules aren't in effect; Reality Is Out to Lunch. Irrational Hatred may have this as its basis, and Chewbacca Defense is literally built of it. And then, sometimes it's just Obfuscating Stupidity or Obfuscating Insanity in action. No relation to Insane Clown Posse...for the most part.
Remember that not all bad or faulty logic is Insane Troll Logic. Insane Troll Logic is so badly screwed up that it isn't even wrong - usually either the presenter or the audience have no grasp of even the concept where the "logic" should apply.
(Note that, in order to qualify for this trope, some reasoning must be provided; for example, "He likes sweets, thus he is a Nazi" on its own probably doesn't qualify for this trope, but "He likes sweets, thus, he likes Danishes, and if he likes Danishes, he must be a German, and as we know, all Germans are Nazis" probably does, since it provides more "logic" and context. The latter is otherwise known as the Fallacy of Composition.)
Warning: trying to understand the following trains of logic may make your brain hurt.
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- The Get Rid of Cable campaign from DirecTV. See what happens when you make bad decisions — namely, choosing the Other Guys subpar cable services. For example:
"When you wait forever for the cable guy, you get bored. When you get bored, you start staring out windows. When you start staring out windows, you see things you shouldn't see. When you see things you shouldn't see, you need to vanish. When you need to vanish, you fake your own death. When you fake your own death, you dye your eyebrows. And when you dye your eyebrows, you attend your own funeral as a guy named Phil Shifley. Don't attend your own funeral as a guy named Phil Shifley. Get rid of cable, and upgrade to DirecTV. Call 1-800 DirecTV."
- Time Warner Cable had one once which was nearly as bad. The spot featured Mike O'Malley holding a small puppy, saying that since cable cost less than satellite, the money could be used to buy things like dog food, and that puppies love dog food, so that the simple conclusion must be that satellite hates puppies.
- Cablevision has played it straight many times, with ads promising better picture because the pixels on your TV will be happier on Cablevision, or that Verizon is a phone company, and therefore too busy to provide you with internet service (ironic, considering Cablevisions primary job is to provide you with TV, not Internet). Some of their commercials from a few years ago were mistaken for parodies.
- Toshiba used a similar argument in one commercial to tout their shock-proof hard drives, because if a power station tech drops his laptop and breaks the hard disk, then it causes a glitch and the power will go out. If that happens, then your milk will spoil. If that happens, you'll drink the spoiled milk and turn into a zombie, then bite your roommate, who will then bite others until zombies roam the land. So dropped laptop = Zombie Apocalypse, and that's why shock-proof hard drives are good. It's ostensibly played for comedy, but the ad offers up a bit of Fridge Horror when you notice that the guy following this loony-bin train of logic is the president of the company.
- Toast always lands buttered-side down. Cats always land on their feet. So, what happens when you tape toast, buttered-side up, on a cat's back? Infinite energy!
- In Latin America, during the 2014 edition of The World Cup, DirecTV advertised the then-upcoming football league seasons by telling the viewer about what would supposedly happen if they missed them (a sequence of very improbable events leading to a bad situation). One commercial's logic procedure goes from the viewer missing an important match to waking up in a dried ditch in the street. Another's goes from missing a match to flooding the house.
- Haruhi Suzumiya:
Haruhi: Crab is a no-no. I can't take it. Picking the flesh out of the shell drives me nuts. Why can't crabs make their shells edible? How come they didn't do anything about that during the course of evolution, might I ask?
- Haruhi Suzumiya does this at times. Then again, she is something of a Cloudcuckoolander, but it's most likely that she doesn't mean it seriously. The prologue of the 4th novel had this nice dialogue:
Kyon (narrating): They don't undergo natural selection in the depths of the sea just for the sake of your stomach!
- Haruhi's take on that classic storytelling element, The Climax:
Haruhi: There's something I've always wondered about. You often see people die in the last episode of TV shows and the like. Doesn't that feel unnatural? Why do they just happen to die at that time? It's strange. That's why I hate anything where someone dies at the end! I would never make a movie like that!
- She keeps up this trend in the spinoff series Haruhi-chan:
Haruhi (seeing some cherry blossoms blowing by): Cherry blossoms... Petals falling... Blood splattering... Dig a hole... Bury... Under the cherry blossom... Kyon! Let's have a viewing party!
Kyon: How do those thoughts connect to a cherry blossom viewing party?
- Stop Bullying Me: Yuri seems under the impression that being in the school's book club will make people believe he is an honors student.
- Seryuu of Akame ga Kill! is so obsessed with justice and bringing criminals to it, that she believes that any crime is punishable by death and outright thinks the ultimate justice is killing people before they are able to ever commit a crime. After killing a group of bandits and rescuing their prisoner, she kills the woman for helping the bandits, despite her having only done so under threat of her own life.
- Osaka from Azumanga Daioh is full of this, but one case stands out in particular: she concludes she has to drown in order to learn how to swim, since drowned people always float (she had not yet figured out how to float). She also concludes that, since snails are not insects, they must in fact be bugs.
- Isaac and Miria of Baccano!! have a lot of this. One instance is kind of like the Fat Tony example, in which he argues that just as you can get vegetables from eating steak (obviously, this is wrong itself), if you steal someone's wallet, whatever is inside then belongs to you. He also asserts that a mine in which gold has never been discovered is a great place to look for gold for precisely that reason.
...A loud doorbell is scary. Scary like something dangerous. Dangerous like the Mafia, which means the Mafia have come to kill us, I know it! I have to hide!
- Even better, the entire 'mining for gold' thing is linked with their usual career of thievery by Isaac claiming that they're stealing from the Earth itself.
- One of their heists involved stealing the front door of a museum, so that nobody could get in.
- Of course, since the police had to close the museum to investigate the theft, Isaac and Miria technically succeeded.
- Even better is his continuation of the "take someone's wallet" logic. If you pick up the person holding the wallet...
- The Slash reveals that Jacuzzi's mind tends to switch to Insane Troll Logic when he's scared.
- In Baka and Test: Summon the Beasts, the following exchange happens:
Yoshii: You might not know this, but, in Japan there's a legend saying you'll be blessed if you confess beneath a legendary tree! And there's only one thing "legendary tree" could be referring to at this school... It refers to the legendary beauty, Hideyoshi Kinoshita!note In other words, you'll be blessed if you confess to Hideyoshi!
Hideyoshi: This is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.
- Durarara!!'s own troll Orihara Izaya does this all the time to screw people over.
- Kururi and Mairu ideas on "twin-ness" are baffling. Thanks to their big brother, Izaya.
- Kida has moments, too, as he can conclude any remark by "... so, let's go pick up chicks!"
- Shizuo also applies in episode three. After being hit in the head by a goon, he says this:
Shizuo: "You just went for my head, didn't you? ... You know that you could kill someone by hitting a vital spot on their head, right? ... If you know this, then you were trying to kill me, right? ... So you shouldn't have any complaints no matter what I do to you, right?!" (mega punch).
- He later makes a similar rant taken to an even greater level, arguing that since there's a 0.0000000000000001 percent chance of dying from the "evil eye", beating up someone who glared at him is justified self-defense.
- Keima Katsuragi of The World God Only Knows is prone to making huge leaps of logic solely because that's the way things work in Dating Sim games. Despite having little ground for his beliefs and being perceived as somewhat delusional by his peers, he's right more often than not.
- In Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack, Char decided the best way to save the good, green Earth with its beautiful environment from being destroyed would be to throw a whole ton of nukes at it. Along with a giant asteroid.
- In the original show, Hayato and Kai are so mad that Amuro Ray wasn't executed for desertion that they, wait for it, desert.
- In the first episode of Minami-ke Chiaki uses her own brand of insane troll logic to convince her sister that her classmate's love note is actually a challenge to a fight. And Chiaki's reason for doing this? "He's popular, there's no way he likes Kana."
- It doesn't sound so insane until you listen to her translation, wherein "I love your cheerful, energetic personality" gets turned into "Hey, you're really noisy and annoying!" and "meet me in the classroom after school" translates into "Let's fight once there's no one there to hinder us." Whether or not Chiaki was being serious or simply cruel is hard to tell...
- In later episodes, Chiaki uses a new form of insane troll logic to adopt herself a brother (who just so happens to be a girl) simply because their last names are the same.
- While Minami-ke is chock full of insane troll logic, Hosaka will always take the cake. Hosaka's brain automatically jumps from "Haruka likes good food" to "I must become the greatest chef ever to impress her." And it only gets worse from there.
- Full Metal Panic: While pretty effective in a combat situation, Sosuke Sagara's mind becomes this in a school situation, always over-analyzing something and believing that it's got to be the work of a spy or potential assassin, or worse yet (for the other students) that it's supposed to provide them with Training from Hell (as an example, he receives a letter from a Stalker with a Crush schoolgirl early in Fumoffu... after piecing it back together from what remains after he blew up the shoe lockers, he takes the Anguished Declaration of Love and offer to meet behind the gym as "I have been spying on you all of this time and I want to meet you at this time so we can duel". He also once takes an art teacher's statement that he should be "hard to get" as a model as an order to hunt his classmates down Predator-style as some kind of counter-surveillance exercise).
- An episode of Kimba the White Lion has a Prima Donna Director who's filming a nature documentary use this logic as to why he put a captive orangutan in his documentary, even though there are no orangutans in Africa. He says that because he and his workers are in Africa and that there's an orangutan (the captive one) right next to them, there are orangutans in Africa.
- Haguro Dou from Wolf Guy - Wolfen Crest is a very scary example of this. Yeah, Haguro — people don't tend to actively go out and seek out people who want to do harm unto them. Soooooooo, why are you?
- To make this even more twisted in every possible way, his version of Disproportionate Retribution is drenched in this. Some guy doesn't want you to bug him anymore with your psychotic shenanigans — and you believe that he wronged you by "ignoring you"? Well, why not settle this unfair dispute by kidnapping his Morality Chain, then having her chained to a wall and repeatedly gang raped for several hours in front of a camera where you have your object of "obsession" forcefully watch the act proceed as you threaten to release the video to ensure that said Implied Love Interest has her life ruined forever unless he transforms into a werewolf — during a time which he can't do so — just for you?
- Gau from Nabari no Ou's blind trust in Raikou occasionally leads him to make questionable leaps in logic, including his conviction that Kouichi likes glasses so much that he draws them onto his face with magic markers.
- Katsura from Gintama in particular deserves a special mention for believing that Gintoki could hide inside a tin can and writing an exam consisting of problems like "There are 10 Shinsengumi members. Six Anti-Foreigner Faction members run into them. Three Anti-Foreigner Faction members are killed. The Anti-Foreigner Faction members kill two Shinsengumi members but six more join them and two Anti-Foreigner Faction members are injured. How many noses does Jackie have?"
- Science Ninja Team Gatchaman episode "The Gluttonous Monster Ibukuron": The Humongous Mech of the title was stealing all the sugar it could grab. note Dr. Nambu's reasoning was, "They're trying to make the children suffer by nabbing the world's sugar." (Subverted in that his secondary theory is "to throw the world into confusion.")
- The episode became G-Force: Guardians of Space, "The Locustoid", and takes the screwy logic up a further notch. Dr. Brighthead (yes, really) says that Gallactor is trying to win the loyalty of children because, "If your parents couldn't give you sweets, wouldn't you go to someone who could?"
- In Code:Breaker, pretty much everything that comes out of the "Angels'" mouths.
- Why do the Angels want to kill countless normal people? Because normal people do not know the value of life, which in turn makes them evil.
- And how are they planning on proving that humans don't care about life? By setting up a voting system where people can chose to either let hardcore violent criminals, for whom they give graphic details of their heinous crimes and who were previously on death row, live or die. Because if they choose die, that means people will kill others for no reason. The fact that most of the people voting assume it's a joke doesn't matter.
- They release all of the criminals and tell them that if they can flee they can live, then they call them scum because they are committing crimes so they can escape being killed by them.
- One Piece often has this for comedy but take a look at international laws directed at single individuals the world government pass. If you at one point happened to have had business with, be the child of, or have laid eyes on the wrong person, you might retroactively find yourself sentenced to death as an unrepentant criminal when he turns out to later become a particularly notorious pirate.
- Many of Oda's explanations for some of the bizarre happenings in One Piece run on this, like the reason that Sanji's Diable Jambe (an attack which involves setting his leg on fire) doesn't burn him is because his heart burns hotter, or the reason that Marines are able to wear their coats like capes without them falling off is because they're held on by justice (and justice will never fall!)
- The nobles of Goa Kingdom have the Grey Terminal (a city sized landfill of their city's garbage) burned and all it's inhabitants killed. They brush off the deaths of everyone there as being "Their fault for being born peasants".
- Kill la Kill:
- When the tennis club tries to punish Mako for missing practice, Ryuko points out that the reason that she didn't make it to practice is because the Absurdly Powerful Student Council was holding Mako hostage to lure her out. The tennis club captain then counters that she still needs to be punished for getting taken hostage without permission (said punishment also involves getting stoned to death with tennis balls.)
- Mako herself is a master of this, often giving energetic speeches that baffle everyone around her, such as claiming that Ryuko didn't lose the tennis match she didn't even know she was in by claiming that since she rescued her beforehand, she "won at friendship", or telling Ryuko after her initial defeat by Satsuki that she needs to get naked to show off that she has bigger boobs than her. Oddly enough, her conclusion (getting naked) in the above example is right, even if her reasoning is wrong.
- Konosuba: When asked why she kept using Verdia's castle as target practice after promising to stop. Megumin says she simply couldn't go back to casting explosion in empty fields once she knew how satisfying it was to have a target.
- In episode 8A of Sakura Trick, Haruka's father said he doesn't want to see Haruka married to "some worthless guy." Haruka took that line to mean he'd be okay with a girl, because a girl is not "a guy." Lampshaded with a note pointing out her error.
- Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann revels in this. In episode 2, Littner Village is attacked by a group of Gunmen. Kamina, being the insane badass he is, determines that, despite seeking shelter being a perfectly viable solution, the only way to survive the attack is to charge head-first at the strongest of the Gunmen and carry out a Gundamjack. It works.
- Episode 3: Gurren and Lagann are facing Viral's Enki and lose. Kamina's logic determines that the reason Viral defeated them is that Enki has 2 faces (one on the torso, and a head). Next day, they try fighting him again, and deciding that they need to have two faces to stand a chance, Kamina picks up Lagann and slams it right down on top of Gurren. Rule of Cool, this trope and general badassery works together, and the two mecha actually combine, even though it shouldn't.
- Later, when the moon is about to crash down on the Earth, Nia tells Simon that the chance of saving her is almost 0%. Simon's response: "Well, it's only close to 0%, which means it isn't definitely 0%. That means it's as good as 100% to me!"
- GaoGaiGar has a bit of this in the first episode.
"The chance of success is pretty close to 0%"
"Scientific calculations mean nothing! A courageous heart can make anything possible!"
- In Fairy Tail, Happy's answer to questions like "how can you fly?" and "why are you blue?" is "because I'm a cat", even though the exact reason people ask is because they are aware he's a cat and wonder how a cat can fly and be blue. However, even Happy is taken aback by Wally's weird logic: When Millianna captures Happy, she finds out he is a talking cat and surprisedly tells it to Wally. Wally corrects her by saying: "You cannot say that he is a talking cat. The fact that he is able to talk makes him a cat". So according to Wally, all humans are cats.
- In Episode 1 of Kaitou Joker, Joker pulls this with Hachi by explaining when a "phantom thief" is. He claims that if you let the owner of your mark know you're coming to steal it, it no longer becomes theft but rather a showdown between you and the owner of the mark. What's more is that Hachi follows with this logic and finds it sound.
- When baking contest judge Kuroyanagi from Yakitate!! Japan marries a girl and divorces her in the span of a few minutes for the sake of a comedic reaction to eating some bread, he gets called out on it by Kawaichi. Kuroyanagi simply responds that the prefecture the competition is taking place in has the lowest divorce rate in Japan, so more people need to get divorced to raise it closer to the national average. He also counters that compared to the number of times Kawaichi says his Catch-Phrase in one day, him getting divorced means nothing.
Kuroyanagi: You only live once, but you can get divorced as many times as you want! Oh how wonderful, divorces!
- In chapter 68 of My Monster Secret, Genjirou is worried about his daughter, who is having a school trip on the tropical islands. However, because he is a vampire, he can't just fly over the seas to her. His friend Karen then provided a solution: Turn his house into an even more beautiful tropical paradise so his daughter will come home willingly. Even the resident troll Akane is completely dumbfounded at this idea.
- The Devil Is a Part-Timer!: Lucifer is a Fallen Angel who wants to win his way back to Heaven, and is convinced that the best way to do so is by allying himself with Maou, the Demon King, and being a Jerkass who terrorizes innocent people.
- Katarina in Destruction Flag Otome used to be a "normal" schoolgirl who died and reincarnated as a noble who happens to also be an otome game villain. She recognizes the role she's in and takes steps to avoid the bad ends that may be in store for her, but these tend to be plans like 'scare my fiancee with a toy snake before he can stab me' or 'learn to farm in case I get exiled.'
- One of the characters in Oddman 11 has Super Strength that she explains came from being a life-long nudist. Her explanation on how the two are related is utterly nonsensical.
Nuida: When you feel someone's gaze on your exposed skin, your muscles contract out of nervousness. [...] Having been completely naked since the day I was born, my muscular strength is now far beyond a normal person's.
- Much of the early plot of Oddman 11 stems from this sort of logic. Upon learning that Itami has dated all nine Oddmen he's not related to, Setsu's friends suggest that maybe she'll earn the right to date him if she defeats all his exes "like in that movie." Despite Itami immediately saying that she doesn't have to fight anybody, not only does Setsu take challenging his exes 100% seriously, the Oddmen take her challenges seriously in turn, spending many chapters fighting one another based on nothing but an offhand movie reference. This hasn't seemed to improve her standing with Itami so far, but it has earned her a yuri harem of the defeated Oddmen.
- This is the entire basis of the existence of the Johnny Turbo comics, and the "plot" follows suit. Buy the Turbo Duo game system, because FEKA is composed of evil robots!
- Fantastic Four:
- Everything Doctor Doom does makes sense if you believe as he does that everything wrong with his life is Reed Richards' fault.
- Utilized in one issue where a Skrull who is secretly Hank Pym steals the FantastiCar and disappears, after calling out the coordinates for sector 1-C, and to scan for Ferric Oxide. According to the Thing, ferric oxide means rust, 1-C means Yan-C, which means Yancey Street, and together they mean the abandoned auto junkyard off of Yancey Street. This is then lampshaded by Hank Pym revealing that he was hanging out on them the entire time, and if they had gone to a local pizza place, he would have been there.
- Deadpool runs on Obfuscating Insanity, but every once in a while, his brain slips (another) gear and he goes into full-blown troll logic. Usually, you only find out which he was using after the body count is tallied. At one point, presumably, the thought process went like this: I got my powers from weird experiments on a mutant, therefore I am a mutant. I am a mutant, therefore I am an X-Man. I am an X-Man, therefore I need to wear an X-Man costume, therefore I will run around in Marvel Girl's old green miniskirt outfit◊. Cyclops was not amused.
- The Three Blind Mice of Fables. They'll be walking along headed for some goal (usually a fairly far-out one), and one will question if there is such a place/circumstance/etc. One of the mice (usually Thaddeus) will then say that since no one has stopped them or they haven't been told that their goal is not attainable, then it must be there, and all they have to do is find it. Rose Red has a particularly funny example.
- In one issue of The Simpsons, Milhouse was convinced he was invisible thanks to Bart and some business involving Professor Frink's dumpster. When Milhouse found himself about to have the local bullies beat the crap out of them, Bart stepped in with this trope, arguing that there are many invisible things you can't see which are dangerous, so how dangerous could something invisible you can see be? Lampshaded immediately when Jimbo ran off with a cry of "Let's get outta here! He's using contradictory logic!"
- "Le Monde des Lettres" in Franco Belgian Philemon runs on this, frequently making Wonderland look tame by comparison.
- Recurring character Inspector Bougret in Gotlib comics always solves the criminal cases he's on. His conclusions may be correct, but the way he attains them is utterly nonsensical.
- Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the Flash series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as fool proof as he believed it to be... he himself would be a great hero! But he's not. It seems like Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine, though later events show that he's really just that insane, as a side-effect of his powers.
- From the comic book of Over the Garden Wall:
- Lady Death: Queen Satasha hates the rebels after a battle against Death Queen's minions razed her kingdom with her wife being killed in the conflict. Despite the fact that: 1) she offered sanctuary to the rebels because they were her friends and 2) her wife was killed by one of Death Queen's monsters, before Satasha's eyes no less. While, to her credit, she blames herself for accepting the rebels in the first place and surrenders the throne to atone for failing to her subjects, her hatred for them is so intense - more specifically, one of their key leaders Wargoth, that she provides The Dragon with the means to kill him, when he had absolutely nothing to do with her death. The thought of calling out Death Queen's followers for the attack never crosses her mind. In short: she wants to avenge her beloved by siding with the party directly responsible against the other party which used to be friends with her and had nothing to do with it, because they lead their enemies to her home in the first place.
- In the fourth 'classic' Paperinik story Donald Duck mentions that Paperinik (his own superhero/antihero alter ego) could solve Scrooge's current problem but is told that a think-tank of scientists established that Paperinik doesn't actually exist because Scrooge used a Paperinik-looking robot to advertise his wax museum, hence he was a robot all the time, even when he stole Scrooge's bed while he was sleeping on it. Somehow, not only the whole Duckburg has bought it, Scrooge himself did, at least until they see Paperinik in person.
- The Order of the Dragon in Crimson are a knightly order that not only hunts evil monsters that threaten mankind, but also angels too with the purpose of harvesting their organs into battle-drugs. Their reasoning for killing them is that God sent them as rewards for them to use as they see fit.
- The Jackie Chan Adventures and Teen Titans crossover fanfiction A Shadow of the Titans:
- The Ax-Crazy villain Gadjo's (mis)understanding of human relationships (romantic) boils down to women basically giving men sex to get them to take out the trash (and it's even WACKIER in full). The Titans are all stunned, save for BB, who's TAKING NOTES!
- Gadjo also believes that the proper response to a bad-tasting pie is to keep eating it, in order to punish it for tasting bad.
- When Raven and Robin are angsting over apparently causing Jade's death, Cyborg's response is to stick them in a crate together, hoping that that much angst will cancel itself out, like how two negatives equal a positive. Surprisingly, he's right.
- In the Death Note Slash Fic A Cure for Love, Souichiro believes that forcing his son Light to spend a week with his family will cure him of any gayness. Later, there's the instance where Light somehow came to the conclusion that it wouldn't hurt so bad to get shot since he planned for it.
- Calvin and Hobbes: The Series: Calvin claims that since one of the water balloons was the same color as the ones Socrates had attacked him with last week, then the latter must be the culprit.
- Used many a times by the Lemony Narrator as the central form of thinking in the essay-fic, Equestria: A History Revealed.
The act of baking is still not understood by most scholars (mostly me). It simply defies all reason; it cannot be explained. Do you know what else can't be explained? DARK MAGIC.Now, what other types of food are baked? Cakes, cookies and PIZZAS. What do pizzas stand for? The combined power of the Elements of Harmony. What does this mean? The magical power brought about with the combined strength of the elements is fueled by dark magic. To put it in layponys terms, if pizzas are powered by dark magic, then so are the Elements.
- Evangelion 303: Saburo was Kaworu's boyfriend, but when Rei fell in a coma after a plane crash and Kaworu spent a long time by her bedside, Saburo felt ignored, got jealous and broke up with him. He regretted it afterwards and wanted to get Kaworu back, but Kaworu did not want him back. So Saburo started to lash out at everyone. In one scene he berates Kaworu for taking Rei to a restaurant and going back to (Kaworu's) home late (and when was Kaworu supposed to return to his own home?) and then warns him against wasting his forgiveness. Kaworu accurately points out that there is NOTHING to forgive.
Kaworu: Forgiveness? You dumped me in a fit of jealousy fanned by the flames of your own imagination. There never was anything to forgive.
- Always Having Juice gets its daily dose of this through Metal Sonic.
- Lampshaded in Thinking In Little Green Boxes when Harry rips J. Jonah Jameson a new one after J.J. begins his usual spiel about how Spider-Man is obviously a menace because he wears a mask:
- In "Bill Nye The Blooper Guy", the title character is on his roof, preparing for an experiment.
Bill: Hi, kids! Bill Nye here! And I'm going to teach you about gravity! It can save us all. As we know, there is no gravity in space. Earth is part of space; therefore, Earth has no gravity! Watch this! (Jumps off roof)
- From Light and Dark The Adventures of Dark Yagami:
I MUST KILL EVERYONE blud replied and he took the needle from TIOSEAFK!"Why do you want to want to do that?" she asked pouting her lipsticky lips.BECAUSE WE ARE SHINIGAMI AND THAT MEANS GOD OF DEATH AND GODS CAN DO ANYTHING SO THEY SHOULD MAKE EVERYTHING DEAD and he stuck the needle in a blood banana and sucked out the goopy blood inside.
"I will writ 'EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EXCEPT DRAK' IN MY ROYAL DEATH NOTE UNLESS THE QUEEN OF THE SHINIGAMI CHALLENGE ME TO A DUAL!"
- Dark's threat in Chapter 17.
- From In Asylum after getting thrown in the loony bin Light concludes that the doctors must have made a mistake:
"whatever it was Light knew it wasn't insanity. A God is perfect. And since he IS God he couldn't be crazy. Q.E.D."
- This kind of "logic" is utilized by Naomi in All You Need Is Love:
Naomi: [S]ince you keep claiming to be God this must somehow be your fault.Light: I'm not sure that's how god complexes actually work, Naomi.
Naomi: It's like you have this belief that if you say things enough times they suddenly become true.Light: I do not.Naomi: I'm the god of the new world?Light (confused): But I am the god of the new world.Naomi: No you're not. I have good intentions? Raye Penber is wallpaper? I don't get high off the murders of rapists and other murderers? I can keep going, you know, if I really want to.Light: All true, I don't say them to make them true I just have to remind everyone else that they're true. If I didn't say anything people would assume that Matsuda's theories are correct, and I just won't stand for that.Naomi: Yeah, completely buying that.
- Also used by Light on a regular basis when creating his New World:
- In Welcome To The Family Near makes frequent use of this:
Linda: L says Justice never sleeps!Light: Of course he does.
- In Emancipation Dumbledore reacts like this to Amelia Bones' insistence that she needs more than Dumbledore's word in order to issue a warrant for Snape's arrest.
Did she not see that the crime was absolutely evident in and of itself? If Snape were to be arrested, he could be interrogated under Veritaserum and then she would have her evidence, but no, she needed the bloody evidence first! How in the name of Merlin was he supposed to bring it in, if the use of any truth potions was restricted to open investigations only and the stupid bint had refused to open the case?
- Sarutobi's reasoning for why he never told Naruto that his fiance has been sleeping around for years in That Look. Sarutobi says that when Naruto first announced his intent to marry Anko, he was eight and Sarutobi figured it was a childish crush. When Naruto asks why he didn't say anything in the eight years since then, Sarutobi insists that once Naruto became a ninja, he was an adult and it wasn't Sarutobi's place to tell him how to live his life. Because once someone's a legal adult you should never give them advice or even clue them in on a cheating fiance since that'd be telling them how to live their life.
- The author himself uses this to create a False Dichotomy. Either you only have sex with the person you love or you sleep around constantly and hate yourself. Every single character in the story that has multiple partners is stated as having slept with dozens of people (at a minimum) and always feeling "cold and empty inside" afterward.
- In Boys Do Tankary, Miho believes she, rather than Saori, is entitled to have Vincent because she's the commander in her tank.
- In Perfection is Overrated, Hitomi Kirihara, a parody of a Jerk Sue, engages in this while she has Mai at her mercy through a mind-controlled Natsuki.
Hitomi: "It should be obvious to you now, if you know who I am, that it would be easier if you just answer my questions."Mai: "If I do, you'll just have Natsuki kill me, then kill herself. Maybe you'll even have her torture me fi-" (Natsuki is forced to knee Mai in the leg)Hitomi: "Easier for me. If you cooperate quickly, then I can have a little fun before I put the two of you out of your misery."Mai: "FUN!? You think killing innocent people and forcing others to commit atrocities is fun?"Hitomi: "Yes it is. And by putting people under my control, I enable them to throw off all their foolish inhibitions- their pride, their fear of the consequences, their sense of self-preservation, and most of all, their conscience! For those minutes, they can be as free as I am! This power does not only allow me to get what I want, but it allows me to do them a favor as well! Their lives are a small price to pay for that freedom!"
- Suzaku in the Code Geass fanfic The Black Empire is still working for Britannia after the Black Knights free Japan from Britannian rule. His reasoning is that since it was freed with violence, it doesn't count and Japan isn't really free. So the only way for Japan to be properly free... is to reconquer it and then become the Knight of One so he can rule it.
- In First Try Series Sasuke believes that Naruto couldn't possibly have been nominated to graduate early and pass because he wasn't. Because early nomination is political and the teachers told Sasuke they tried to nominate him but don't think he's ready. So the Dead Last has to have dropped out and be faking ninja. Regardless of the fact impersonating a ninja is illegal and Naruto is part of a Genin team.
- When Sasuke does find out that Naruto legitimately graduated early, he believes that Naruto was an Itachi-level genius biding his time in the Academy to get around graduation age-laws and have everyone underestimate him so he could leave them in the dust.
- In Easy As Falling because Harry became a (In-Name-Only) "Dark Lord" in order to save Hogwarts from the Ministry, and kept them out using displays of force, McGonagall believes that the school hasn't really "saved." She believes the only right way to "save" Hogwarts now is to turn in Harry, allow the Ministry to close Hogwarts and gut the programs just like they wanted, and somehow become Headmistress.
- In the Girls und Panzer fic, Innocence Need Not Apply, Miho's father believes that the kind of traditionalism that the Nishizumi school operates on is comparable to this when taken to its logical conclusion, as he does in the following example.
Mr. Nishizumi: If before the invention of fire humans ate meat raw, then should they have continued doing so after they invented fire?
- In the Darkwing Duck fanfiction series, Negaverse Chronicles, Quackerjack can occasionally dabble in this. Of course, he is literally insane, so that's understandable. Oddly, the voices in his head are quick to point out that his logic isn't particularly sound.
He couldn't think of any normal reason for there to be deep gashes in the street. That meant there was probably an abnormal reason for them. And since his team was probably the most abnormal group of people around that could only mean it was somehow connected to Megavolt's disappearance.
- In the Crack Fic A Charmed Life Ryuk successfully seduces Light by arguing that since (according to an article in Light's porn magazine) "people in power tend to be more submissive in bed" and since it turns out that Light is naturally a twink he's definitely going to become a God now. It becomes true because Ryuk makes it happen.
- Tony in The Many Doors of Niu Heimar argues that Steve should ride with Thor during a transport using some...unusual logic.
Tony: Come on, you'll get along great. You're from the past, he's from ancient Scandinavia-Steve: I'm from the 1940s.Tony: Exactly! That's the past.
- Dumbledore in Nymphadora's Beau not only refuses to take action against Umbridge (who's the Care of Magical Creatures teacher in this story) but actively hides evidence against her when Harry contacts the Aurors. He argues that since he knows what she's doing, it's better to have her around than get rid of her. This is despite the fact she's torturing students (like canon), using racial slurs when speaking/referring to students, ordering students to strip in class, and openly using her class to teach students "the difference between Pureblood wizards and Muggleborn animals". Dumbledore also insists Harry and Hermione apologize to Umbridge for "their disrespectful attitudes". Because refusing to be tortured by your teacher and protesting her nazi-esque lessons is disrespectful.
- In Kid Keitaro, Naru and Motoko insist Keitaro is a horrible pervert (like they do in canon) despite the fact he's eight years old. Even worse, when Naru finds Keitaro sleeping with Kitsune (he had a nightmare), she decides that an eight year old somehow overpowered and molested a twenty-one year old woman.
- Second Wind: In Chapter 3, Zoro mixes this with No Sense of Direction, thinking that left is the same as west, and wherever the compass is pointing is where they have to go. Luffy calls him out on it (after realizing the fallaciousness himself)…and he still doesn't get it.
- In Six Paths of Rebellion, Suzaku is convinced that anything Britannia does is righteous and anything Zero does is evil, outraged that the Japanese support Zero over Britannia when "It was Britannia that created the SAZ where they could live freely", conveniently ignoring that they lived freely until Britannia invaded Japan. As a result, he blames the Zero and the Black Knights for the Shinjuku and Saitama Massacres. Furthermore when the Black Knights successfully free Japan, he's one of the people who chooses to leave to Britannia and can't understand how the Japanese can possibly be happy when their freedom was "created by a madman and a monster in human flesh". Several people including Naruto, Euphemia, and Lelouch, call him out on the ridiculousness and outright hypocrisy of his actions but Suzaku insists that they're wrong for overthrowing the corrupt system instead of trying to fix it.
- This Bites!:
- Quite apart from his nonsense of direction, Zoro seems to have this attitude in regards to training, believing that broken bones heal stronger than they were before. Even in One Piece, that remains untrue, and Chopper is simultaneously infuriated and horrified.
- The Bleeding Heart Bounty Hunters' rationale that since the WG cannot be trusted, Vivi's bounty is fake, and since all pirates are evil, she would never work with them willingly, therefore the Straw Hats kidnapped her.
- Fade: L constantly justifies his actions with this: for example, he starts killing criminals who don't deserve death to convince Light to do the same so he can become the villain in the story L needs to stop, and so that way L can teach him to use the Death Note the "right" way. Any reasonably sane and intelligent person (let alone geniuses like Light, Near, Mello, Matt, and Beyond) can easily poke holes through his logic — the only reason Light himself has yet to act on it is because he's being blinded by love.
- Dumbledore uses this in the Crack Fic Yet Another Twin to "prove" that Harry's brother is the Boy-Who-Lived.
Dumbledore: My reasoning is, Rupert's scar is cross-shaped, cross is a symbol of Christianity, Christians burned witches, there are more Muggleborn witches than Muggleborn wizards, and Voldemort hates Muggleborns. It all makes sense in context.
- In Common Sense, Misty begins to chalk Ash's victories up to dumb luck or cheating, since she's still bitter about having lost to him in the Cerulean Gym, despite the fact she has seen him training the whole time to be ready to fight Team Rocket when they show up. This reaches a climax in Chapter 20, when she finds Ash training with Brock, and assumes it's the latter is helping the former, when it's actually the other way around, and Brock himself says so.
- In The Emperor's New Groove, Yzma uses this as an excuse not to give food to the poor:
Yzma: It is no concern of mine whether or not your family has... what was it again?
Peasant: Umm... food?
Yzma: Ha! You really should have thought of that before you became peasants!
- In Mickey's Christmas Carol, Scrooge (McDuck) uses this to get out of giving money to the poor.
Scrooge: Well, you realize if you give money to the poor, they won't be poor anymore, will they?
First Collector: Well, I—
Scrooge: And if they're not poor anymore, then you won't have to raise money for them anymore.
Second Collector: Well, I suppose—
Scrooge: And if you don't have to raise money for them anymore, then you'd be out of a job. Oh please, gentlemen, don't ask me to put you out of a job. Not on Christmas Eve.
- The attendant at the Family Reunion Office in Coco is allergic to Dante, a hairless dog, and keeps sneezing. The attendant, like everyone in the Land of the Dead, is a skeleton, and insists that it makes sense that he's allergic to a hairless dog because he doesn't have a nose. Miguel is appropriately bewildered by this response.
- The trope is best exemplified in this review of Saving Christmas:
How do you prove a horse is an animal? Because I like Sweden. That's the style of absurd logic that happens in "Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas," an earnest movie that strives to show that the overflow of Santa hats, gifts and decked halls is in fact still keeping Christ at the center of Christmas.
- According to Kirk himself, "Sure, don't max out your credit cards. But remember, this is a celebration of the eternal God taking on a material body. So it's right that our holiday is marked with material things." He also states that trees were in the Garden of Eden, and the cross was made of wood from trees, therefore, Christmas trees are not based on paganism.
- In Silent Hill, Rose knows where to go by finding vague items; she always turns out to be right, but it gets odd when she MUST go to the hotel because she found a piece of a sign in some dead guy's mouth. It makes sense, however, since the town seems to follow dream/nightmare logic rather than that of Real Life.
- In Animal House, in order to deflect attention from the (accurate) charge that they supplied their underage pledges with alcoholic beverages and date-raped their female guests at a toga party, Eric Stratton uses this. By claiming it's unfair to railroad the entire Delta fraternity because of the actions of a few bad apples. After all, one might as well scapegoat institutions of higher learning in general for allowing such organizations to exist at all -- and, by extension, one might also condemn the United States of America for mismanaging its national educational system. And how dare you! That's unpatriotic!
- In Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, the eponymous characters are arrested and forced to eat "cockmeat sandwich". When Kumar asks the guard (whose dick he and Harold have to suck) if the guard is gay, he responds, "There ain't nothing gay about getting your dick sucked; you're the gay ones for sucking my dick! In fact, it creeps me out being around you fags." The group escapes before they have to put this to the test.
- George Bush similarly justifies his smoking in this manner.
Kumar: So you get high and then you put other people who smoke weed in jail?!Bush: Duh.Kumar: That's so hypocritical!Bush: Oh yeah? Well lemme ask you somethin' Kumar. You like givin' handjobs?Kumar: No sir.Bush: You like gettin' handjobs?Kumar: Ha, yeah!Bush: Right, well that makes you a fuckin' hypocriticizer too. So shut the fuck up, and smoke my weed.
- George Bush similarly justifies his smoking in this manner.
- Murder by Death:
- Somehow, Sam Diamond links a girl walking off with his money in 1940 Paris with the German invasion of France that by chance occurred two hours later. Of course, it's played for laughs. It's also a Shout-Out to Casablanca, another film Humphrey Bogart is famous for.
- The ending becomes this when you realize that each and every explanation offered by these so-called "great detectives"- as well as the one the mastermind gives them in his Motive Rant, which they end up accepting as the truth- relies on all of them accepting that the maid they saw was actually a mannequin. The actual truth, of course, revealed after they all leave, is that the mastermind is the maid, utilizing Latex Perfection to disguise herself.
- Paraphrased from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Witches burn. Wood also burns. Therefore witches are made of wood. Wood floats in water. A duck also floats in water. So logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood! And therefore, Burn the Witch!. When they put her on the scales, she does indeed weigh the same as the duck. The townspeople first reach the conclusion that they can tell if she's a witch by throwing her into the pond, which actually is part of witchcraft folklore. Logically, if the accused floats, she's a witch using magic and must be burned. If she sinks and drowns, she's not. The hilarious bit is that in this case they're actually right.
Witch: It's a fair cop.
- Also, when they're trying to figure out how to test whether or not she's made of wood, one villager suggests that they try to build a bridge out of her. Bedevere dismisses this particular test... because bridges can also be built out of stone.
- In Monty Python's Life of Brian, a bunch of people become convinced that Brian is The Messiah, which he vehemently denies. As somebody points out, "Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!" So Brian says that he is the Messiah, causing the crowd to shout, "He is! He is!"
- Pirates of the Caribbean
- Barbossa occasionally strays into this territory. This gem comes from the third movie:
Barbossa: Aye, we're good and lost now.Elizabeth: Lost?Barbossa: For sure, you have to be lost to find a place as can't be found, elsewise everyone would know where it is!
- Captain Jack Sparrow not only uses Insane Troll Logic, his logic is so insane that it quite nicely loops back around to making sense. Added to the fact that it alternately seems like Obfuscating Insanity and, well, just plain old fashioned insanity, yet still awesome.
Jack Sparrow: Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.
- Barbossa occasionally strays into this territory. This gem comes from the third movie:
- In Batman: The Movie:
- The Dynamic Duo, Commissioner Gordon, and Chief O'Hara are attempting to figure out who made a murderous attack on the Caped Crusader — with a shark stuffed full of TNT:
Batman: Pretty fishy what happened to me on that ladder.
Gordon: You mean, where there's a fish, there could be a Penguin.
Robin: But wait! It happened at sea! See? "C" for Catwoman!
Batman: Yet — that exploding shark was pulling my leg!
Gordon: The Joker!
O'Hara: It all adds up to a sinister riddle... Riddle-er. Riddler?
- The same movie tops it later when Batman and Robin try to figure out the Riddler's pair of clues to his latest caper:
Batman: One: What has yellow skin and writes?
Robin: A ballpoint banana!
Batman: Right. Two: What people are always in a hurry?
Robin: Rushing... People... Russians!
Batman: Right again. Now, what would you say they mean?
Robin: Banana... Russian... I've got it! Someone Russian is gonna slip on a banana peel and break their neck!
Batman: Precisely Robin! The only possible meaning.
- The Dynamic Duo, Commissioner Gordon, and Chief O'Hara are attempting to figure out who made a murderous attack on the Caped Crusader — with a shark stuffed full of TNT:
- Gonzo the Great does this a lot (being the Cloudcuckoolander on The Muppet Show) but there was a good one from The Muppet Movie:
Gonzo: Where are you going?Fozzie: We're following our dream!Gonzo: Really? I have a dream, too!Fozzie: Oh?Gonzo: But you'll think it's stupid.Fozzie: No we won't, tell us, tell us!Gonzo: Well, I want to go to Bombay, India and become a movie star.Fozzie: You don't go to Bombay to become a movie star! You go where we're going: Hollywood.Gonzo: Sure, if you want to do it the easy way.note
- Played for laughs in this scene from Black Dynamite, where the gang make a ludicrous number of associations to deduce the villains' scheme.
- A major plot point in 1982's Alone in the Dark. Dr. Potter has come to replace Dr. Merton in a mental institute. Patients who really liked Merton come to the conclusion that Merton is gone, Potter is here, Potter killed Merton, and they ought to kill him before he kills them too. Granted, they are literally insane.
- Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory has Willy Wonka's explanation for the Road Trip Across the Street in the Wonkamobile: "If the Good Lord had intended us to walk, He wouldn't have invented roller skates."
- Speed Zone: When Vic comes to kill Alec, Alec tries to talk him out of it. He's placed money on a car in a cross-country road race and explains that the odds of that car winning are one hundred to one. He then reasons that since he's been gambling with Vic's boss for ninety-six months (12 months in a year x 8 years), his odds of winning the bet are four to one (100 - 4).
Alec: Their odds are a hundred. My odds are four. Vic, I can win that race even if that car blows all four tires and an engine!
- Abbott and Costello's movie Little Giant brings this gem where Costello's character attempts to prove (three different ways) that 7 x 13 = 28. This equation is also quite common among their other acts as well. It was also used in Yeralash.
- In The Gore Gore Girls, detective Abraham Gentry intentionally puts Lieutenant Anderson on the wrong track in his pursuit of a Serial Killer through a bit of Insane Troll Logic: When the Lieutenant asks Abraham what he was doing with the victim the night the murder occurred, he makes a sarcastic comment about witnessing to her and giving her a Bible. The Lieutenant points out that there wasn't a Bible at the scene, and Abraham replies that the murderer must have stolen it, and therefore the person they're looking for must be a religious fanatic. At a later crime scene, he manages to keep the Lieutenant looking in this direction despite the fact that this victim did have a Bible; obviously, the killer stole her Bible, then replaced it with another one to throw the police off.
- Virtually all the Marx Brothers films include examples of Insane Troll Logic played for laughs. A quick sample from A Night at the Opera:
Driftwood: (presenting a contract and pen) Sign here.
Fiorello: I forgot-a tell you, I don't write.
Driftwood: That's all right — there's no ink in the pen.
- Vizzini in The Princess Bride, most notably when the Man in Black challenges him to a "Battle of Wits" in which both men each have a goblet of wine, the challenge being for the former to figure out where the latter put some poison. Hilarity Ensues as Vizzini delivers a long speech of increasingly baffling logic that repeatedly contradicts itself.
You have beaten my giant which means you are exceptionally strong, so you could have put the poison into your own goblet trusting on your strength to save you so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you — but you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, which means you would have put the poison as far away from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
- The Man in Black did accuse him of doing this intentionally to confuse him into giving away the answer by accident - if you buy that, then Vizzini is less "trying to figure out where the poison is" and more "throwing out whatever comes to mind and watching for a tell". Vizzini is certainly watching for a tell after he has switched the goblets, as he waits until the Man In Black drinks before he does the same.
- This ultimately proves to be his undoing, since the long-winded ramble he gives couldn't be further from the correct answer: Both cups were poisoned, the Man in Black survived because he was immune to the poison he was using. Lampshaded in that the Man in Black constantly has this smile that shows he is fully aware that Vizzini's logic is completely insane but is going along with it anyway, except for a brief moment of worry when Vizzini mentions the possibility that he may think he can survive the poison.
- Amazingly, his Troll Logic actually leads him to the correct conclusion: he correctly deduces which cup is poisoned several times. However, he is unable to make the final connection and realize that both cups are poisoned.
- The Shining documentary Room 237 is ripe with this, putting forth theories like how there are scenes in the film that imply Kubrick helped fake the moon landing.
- In Madea's Family Reunion, Victoria tries to rationalize the fact that she let her second husband, Lisa's father and Vanessa's stepfather, rape her in order to stay. Vanessa outright asks if she's insane.
- In Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Pippin argues to Treebeard that they'll be safer going toward Isengard rather than away from it. Subverted because he's talking out his ass and just wants Treebeard to see what Saruman has done to the nearby forest. Doubly subverted in that what he says actually does make a kind of sense, but Treebeard would never have thought so.
- Shaw's plan in X-Men: First Class is built on this: mutants are "the children of the atom" (even though he and at least three other mutants manifested their mutations before the Trinity test, let alone Hiroshima), so starting a nuclear war would increase their power and allow them to rule the world (even though most mutants don't have powers that would allow them to survive either a nuclear strike or the resulting fallout). Subverted in that it's possible he's actually looking out for himself, and only using that argument to convince people to help him. He, after all, would be perfectly suited to surviving a nuclear war.
- In Love And Death, Boris, wondering what Socrates would say, and remembering that ancient Greeks were homosexuals, presents a horribly mangled version of a famous syllogism (whose normal, logically valid conclusion is "Socrates is mortal"):
"A: Socrates is a man. B: All men are mortal. C: All men are Socrates. That means all men are homosexual."
- In Head of State, the Gilliams' opponent tells his campaign manager to bury Mays. Naturally, the manager resorts to the Attack of the Political Ad method, one of which claims that, because didn't attend a certain rally against cancer, he must be "pro-cancer".
- In One, Two, Three MacNamara, head of Coca-Cola in West Berlin, is annoyed that everybody stops working and stands at attention whenever he enters the main office room, because it's hardly in keeping with the values of freedom and democracy. His efficient assistant Schlemmer tries to explain to him that it is because the employees have internalized these values that they keep doing it. He ordered them to stop standing at attention, but they keep disobeying him!
- R.O.T.O.R. has this dialogue: "The difference between a hero and a villain is the amount of compensation they take for their services. At our pay grade, I'd say we're heroes."
- In RoboCop (2014), the political pundit played by Samuel L. Jackson claims that any senator who supports the Dreyfus Act (which prevents robots from being used to police American cities), must be "pro-crime", citing RoboCop's success (even though RoboCop is a cyborg, not a robot).
- In the infamous, NC-17 version of Caligula, the titular character used this to justify accusing otherwise innocent people of treason and having them executed in the most brutal of ways.
Macron:" How have I displeased you, Caesar? I have always been loyal to you!"Caligula: "Exacty! You're an honest man and, therefore, a bad Roman. Meaning you're a traitor. It's logical."
- Dr. Bernardo from Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask:
Does it sound mad? That's what they called me at Masters and Johnson's clinic, mad. Because I had visions of explorations in sexual areas undreamed of by lesser human beings. It was I who first discovered how to make a man impotent by hiding his hat. I was the first one to explain the connection between excessive masturbation and entering politics. It was I who first said that the clitoral orgasm should not be only for women! They ridiculed me, said I was mad, haha! But I showed them. They threw me out of Masters and Johnson, no severance but, and I had it coming. But I showed them!
- Bowser's scheme in the Nintendo Adventure Book Dinosaur Dilemma. To quote the Super Mario Wiki:
Bowser has his minions begin abducting all the dinosaurs in Dinosaur Island, so he can "prove" his theory that the dinosaurs went extinct due to not looking both ways before they crossed the street; once the dinosaurs and all evidence of their existence are gone and his theory is thus "proven" true, Bowser intends to be awarded the Snowbell Prize (feeding the cooked dinosaurs to the committee awarding it) and be named curator of the Mushroom Kingdom Museum of Natural History, conveniently located across the street from Mushroom Palace, which he plans on pelting with garbage.
- A game magazine once held a contest for the best logical argument based entirely on illogical steps. The winner was a proof that there was, in fact, "life after death":
After death comes the mourning; after morning comes night; beside the knight is the bishop; the bishop is underneath the pope; the pope has serious convictions; and with serious convictions you get life! (Source: http://danny.sadinoff.com/fun/quotes/choplogic.txt)
- This is the basis of an entire genre of humor from the 60s and 70s: elephant jokes. For example:
Alice: Why do elephants wear green sneakers?
Alice: To conceal themselves when they run across pool tables. Did you ever see an elephant run across a pool table?
Alice: See? It works!
- Prove logically that a cat has nine tails.
1. No cat has eight tails.
2. A cat has one more tail than no cat.
3. Therefore, a cat has nine tails.
- A similar joke asks, "Which is better, eternal happiness or a turkey sandwich?"
1. Nothing is better than eternal happiness.
2. A turkey sandwich is better than nothing.
3. Therefore, a turkey sandwich is better than eternal happiness.
- A similar joke asks, "Which is better, eternal happiness or a turkey sandwich?"
- Prove logically that a lazy dog is a sheet of paper.
1. A sheet of paper is an ink-lined plane.
2. An inclined plane is a slope up.
3. A slow pup is a lazy dog.
4. Therefore, a lazy dog is a sheet of paper.
- Pretty much most examples of a fallacious argument, taken to hilarious extremes as a way of illustrating some issues regarding the steps of logic. For example:
1. All polar bears are left handed.
2. 10% of burglars are left handed.
3. Therefore, if you get robbed, there is a 10% chance it was a polar bear.
- A popular meme on some gaming websites involves doing some equations and ending up with 3, saying "Half-Life 3 confirmed", since the game is infamous for taking an incredibly long time to be released. A related one is where fans note that all of Valve's games merely have one sequel and never a third game, leading to the meme: "Valve can't count to 3."
- Another popular joke involves escaping from a room with no doors, no windows, and only a tablenote .
1. You look at the table and see what you saw.note
2. You take the saw that you see and cut the table in half.
3. Two halves make a whole.
4. You escape through the hole you just made.
- Prove that school is evil.
1. School is for learning.
2. Learning gives you knowledge.
3. Knowledge is power.
4. Power corrupts.
5. Corruption is evil.
6. Therefore, school is evil.
- Prove that girls are evil.
1. Girls require money and time, therefore Girls = Money x Time
2. Time is money, therefore Girls = Money^2
3. Money is the root of evil, therefore Money^2 = evil
4. Therefore, Girls are evil.
- Prove that every horse has an infinite number of legs.
1. Horses have an even number of legs.
2. Behind they have two legs and in front they have fore legs.
3. This makes six legs, which is certainly an odd number of legs for a horse.
4. The only number that is both odd and even is infinity.note
5. Therefore horses have an infinite number of legs
- From comic Minnie Pearl: "My boyfriend just gave me the highest compliment! He says nothing's better than a pretty girl, and I'm better than nothing."
- This Insult Backfire from a feminist after being called a bitch:
A bitch is a female dog.Dogs bark.Bark grows on trees.Trees are part of nature.Nature is beautiful. Thank you for the compliment.
- A popular children's gag:
Did you know I have eleven fingers?You do?Yes. Watch. (Begin counting backwards on the fingers of one hand.) Ten, nine, eight, seven, six... (Hold up all fingers of the opposite hand.) Plus five is eleven.
- Pick up a spider, put it down again and tell it to walk. It will walk. Pick it up again, put it down again and tell it to walk again. It will walk. Pick it up again, pull its legs off, put it down again and tell it to walk. It will stay where it is. This proves that pulling the legs off a spider causes it to go deaf.
- Scientists discovered that there is a special nerve that connects human eyes to their bottoms. Proof? When the test subjects were stabbed in the buttocks, they cried. And when the test subjects were stabbed in the eyes, they shat themselves.
- A hunter was asked what he did for a living, and he responds that he "hunts tigers in Africa." When its pointed out that there are no tigers in Africa, he replies "that's because I do my job".
- Why are fire trucks red? It's because they have eight wheels and four people on them, and four plus eight makes twelve, and there are twelve inches in a foot, and one foot is a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was also a ship, and the ship sailed the seas, and there were fish in the seas, and fish have fins, and the Finns fought the Russians, and the Russians are red, and fire trucks are always “Russian" around, so that's why fire trucks are red.
- Police officer arrests a man sleeping on park bench with only underwear on.
"Why are you sleeping like that?", asks the police officer."My sexy briefs keep the bats away this town" he says."Huh? There ain't no bats in this here town", says the officer."See! My sexy briefs work!" says the man.
- The explanation of L-space: Books contain knowledge. Knowledge is power. Power is energy. Energy = matter. Matter equals mass. A library or bookshop is "a genteel black hole that knows how to read".
- Then there's Cribbins at the end of Making Money. He intended to out Moist von Lipwig as archswindler Albert Spangler as a scam to get money out of him. But Moist outed himself before Cribbins got the chance. So Cribbins concludes that Moist, having kiboshed his scam, now owes him five thousand dollars.
- The Auditors of Discworld reason that any sentient personality exists for a finite period, which is negligible in comparison to the infinity of Time. Therefore, they instantly cease to exist if they make the fatal mistake of identifying themselves as "I". The book Lampshades the Insane Troll Logic of this, but the erring Auditors themselves vanish too quickly to ever catch on.
- Some of the less sophisticated members of the Watch (i.e. Colon and Nobby) have this approach to confessions. If someone confesses to a crime then you believe them, even if it is impossible for them to have committed said crime. The people you don't believe are the ones who won't confess. Only guilty people are trustworthy.
- Catch-22 and its sequel Closing Time. Never let Milo Minderbinder talk. Or ex-PFC Wintergreen. Milo was able to make a profit by selling black market foodstuffs to himself. And rightfully bragged about it. The whole of Catch-22 is based on the idea that the military is run on insane troll logic, as is the US system of capitalism. Look at where Minderbender convinces High Command that the Luftwaffe subcontracting bombing the Americans to the USAAF is perfectly reasonable.
- The Star Wars Legends short story anthology Tales from Jabba's Palace has one story about Gartogg the Gamorrean. Even among the other not too bright guards, he is considered incredibly dumb. In his attempt to solve two murders so that he could be assigned the best jobs, he concluded that snot vampire Dannik Jerriko must be the killer because there was no evidence to find and his species never leaves evidence when they kill someone. He turns out to be right after all.
- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy runs on a combination of this and It Runs on Nonsensoleum:
- The eponymous guide proves that there is no life in the universe by first informing that the universe is of infinite size, and that there is a finite number of inhabited worlds in the universe. Since any finite number divided by infinity is so small "as makes no odds", then clearly any life in the galaxy must be the product of a deranged mind. And that anybody you encounter is therefore just a figment of your imagination.
- It also said that the Babel Fish proves there is no God. After all, it is so staggeringly improbable that such a thing would have been created by chance that it proves there is a creator. However, God has said that He refuses to provide proof of His own existence as with proof there is no need for faith, therefore by proving His existence, He simultaneously proves that He does not exist "and disappears in a Puff of Logic". The man who proves this goes on to prove that black is white. In the TV version, it is explained that combining all colors together in the form of paint equals black, while combining all colors in the form of light (from colored bulbs) equals white. Fittingly, the man gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing/crosswalk.
- Legal precedent was established when the Guide was sued by the families of hitchhikers who had taken the entry on the planet Traal literally. (It said "The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal often makes a very good meal for visiting tourists" rather than "The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal often makes a very good meal of visiting tourists") The Guide's lawyers summoned a poet to testify under oath that beauty was truth and truth beauty, and therefore blamed life for failing to be either beautiful or true. The judges concurred, and in a moving statement, held life itself in contempt of court and duly confiscated it from all present before retiring for a pleasant evening's ultra-golf.
- In The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, Zaphod justifies stealing a spaceship thusly: "Property is theft, right? Therefore, theft is property, therefore this ship is ours."
- In And Another Thing..., the same people who use the Babel Fish to prove that God doesn't exist use the silver-tongued devil, an even more useful creature, to prove that Satan does. There's Lampshade Hanging about how little sense that makes.
- Dirk Gently. His chosen career was built around using this in order to list anything he likes, even holidays to the Bahamas, as "case-related expenses", although since nobody ever pays for his services, such as they are, it's kind of a futile gesture. Luckily, most of his cases can be solved by Bat Deductions, not that he'll ever get paid for doing so.
- Scott Adams' book The Joy Of Work includes a section called "You Are Wrong Because," a handy sheet listing various logical fallacies and suggesting the reader make a copy and hand it to a coworker with the fallacy they have committed circled.note Two of the examples that stand out as examples of this trope are "Amazingly Bad Analogy" ("You can train a dog to fetch a stick. Therefore you can train a potato to dance.") and "Total Logical Disconnect" ("I enjoy pasta because my house is made of bricks.")
- Norton Juster's The Phantom Tollbooth takes place in a world of wordplay and dubious logic. For example:
"Well, money doesn't grow on trees, does it?" demanded the Count.
- King Azaz's cabinet justifies why words grow on trees:
"I've heard not," said Milo.
"Then something must. Why not words?" exclaimed the Undersecretary triumphantly. The crowd cheered his display of logic and continued about its business.
- Heck, the central plot point of the story is that Milo's task to rescue the princesses was impossible, but he was able to succeed because he didn't know that in advance.
- In a short Italian story a king once decided to inspect his dungeons. He asked the first prisoner about his crime. The prisoner pled innocent. So did all the other prisoners but one, who confessed to numerous heinous crimes. The King ordered he be thrown out of the jail at once, so that he wouldn't besmear the convention of honest people with his presence.
- A Serial Killer (who specialized in premature burial) in the Criminal Minds novel Killer Profile claimed that, while he buried his victims, he was not responsible for their deaths, they alone were. They should have tried harder to escape, and because they did not, they obviously did not want to live, and let themselves die, so all the alleged victims were not murdered, but actually committed suicide.
- First printed in the book Science Askew, according to the proof that Barney The Dinosaur is the Antichrist or Satan, if you take the phrase CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR (since that's what his fans call him), then convert U to V and cut everything that isn't a Roman numeral, then the sum of the result (C+ V+ V+ L+ D+ I+ V) is 100+ 5+ 5+ 50+ 500+ 1+ 5 is 666.
- Wayne from Brandon Sanderson's The Alloy of Law comes up with some hilarious examples, such as: "I bought a ward against [logic] off a traveling fortune-teller. It lets me add two 'n' two and get a pickle."
- Magic Ex Libris: The Hero justifies his stealing the car of a very powerful sorcerer that way:
Isaac: Is it really stealing if you’re stealing from an asshole?
- Kill Time or Die Trying:
Nathan: The routes must be the same length, or there would be signs saying otherwise
- Abdel from Someone Else's War doesn't just speak this language, he practically invented it.
- In the Star Risk, Ltd. series, Jasmine King left her previous job after her supervisor decided she was too perfect to be human, therefore she was an android, therefore he didn't legally need to pay her.
- In The Bible, the Pharisees often made such charges against Jesus, like, "He casts out demons by the prince of demons." Jesus points out the obvious contradiction of the accusation.
- In The Qur'an Abu Lahab doesn't believe and staunchly opposes The Prophet Muhammad — to the point where the latter prophesies that Lahab will eventually burn in hellfire as an unbeliever. Of course, Lahab not believing in such things is unmoved by such a threat. The IST / Catch-22 comes when some use this passage to reason that Lahab could have easily have proven Muhammad's prophecy wrong and thereby scored further points by simply converting to Islam — as it would thereby let him avoid going to hell (as according to Islam). Yes, Lahab ought to have debunked the teachings and inspiredness of Muhammad by accepting the teachings and inspiredness of Muhammad, according to the rules as dictated by teachings and inspiredness of Muhammad...
- The Tamuli features Insane Troll Logic from an actual Troll! (Ok, one of their Gods, but still). Ulath and Tynian are able to travel around in 'No Time', in which the Troll Gods freeze time to allow someone to move large distances in between seconds. However, while in this space between spaces they are still able to perceive the actions of the people around them in real-time. How is this paradox reconciled? Because the Troll Gods think that it works that way.
- In the Resident Evil novel City of the Dead, Chief Irons holds Claire Redfield at gunpoint and demands to know why she's there. When she tries to explain that she only wants to finds her brother, Chris Redfield, Irons comes to the conclusion that since Chris had worked against him that Chris worked for Umbrella — and by extension thus Claire works for Umbrella and was sent by Umbrella to kill Irons. And no amount of explaining on Claire's part can convince him otherwise, as he takes her complete and utter bewilderment of his accusations as an admission of guilt.
- Referenced in Robert A. Heinlein's The Star Beast. "A petition has been brought before the court seeking a destruction order for the animal Lummox. The petition is rejected as the court finds itself unable to follow the alleged reasoning."
- In James Thurber's The 13 Clocks:
"If you can touch the clocks and never start them, then you can start the clocks and never touch them. That's logic, as I know and use it."
- In the Rainbow Magic series, Jack Frost's reason for going after the Green Fairies was because he wanted goblins to be the only green thing around, not realizing that green meant ecology.
- Psmith has a knack for this. From a scene in Psmith in the City wherein he harasses a politician at a Town Hall meeting:
Mr Bickersdyke, having said some nasty things about Free Trade and the Alien Immigrant, turned to the Needs of the Navy and the necessity of increasing the fleet at all costs.'This is no time for half-measures,' he said. 'We must do our utmost. We must burn our boats—'...'How,' asked Psmith, 'do you propose to strengthen the Navy by burning boats?'The inanity of the question enraged even the pleasure-seekers at the back.
- Julian's brother Gallus drunkenly explains why he's not The Caligula:
"Sometimes at night, I walk the streets in disguise. I listen to them. I watch them, knowing I can do anything to them I want and no one can touch me. If I want to rape a woman or kill a man in an alley, I can. Sometimes I do. But it is evil. I know it. I try not to. Yet I feel that when I do these things there is something higher which acts through me. I am a child of God. Unworthy as I am, he created me and to him I shall return. What I am, he wanted me to be. That is why I am good."
- Warrior Cats:
- Hawkfrost wants to kill Firestar because he couldn't save Tigerstar from Scourge's claws. Ignoring the fact that no one could do anything out of shock, and Scourge was too fast for anyone to stop him.
- Played for laughs in Bramblestar's Storm, when the apprentices bunk in with the warriors temporarily. Dewpaw says that they must be warriors now since they were in the warriors' den now.
- In L. Jagi Lamplighter's The Raven, the Elf, and Rachel, we learn of Magdalena Chase's parents who offered her up for Human Sacrifice and were told it wouldn't work because they didn't love her enough. So they locked her in her room for a week. Two days, they didn't even bother to feed her.
- The Pushcart War has a mayor who's in the trucking companies' pocket convincing everyone not to oppose the trucks by stating that they stood for progress and also delivered a lot of good things like peanut butter. So if you were against the trucks, you were against progress. You might even be against peanut butter. And no decent person could be against peanut butter!
- Played for Laughs in Stephen Colbert's I Am America (And So Can You!). Apparently, you can't spell "emotional abuse" without "bus", which is why Colbert never takes public transportation. For that same reason, he dislikes books (can't spell them without "Boo!", can you?).
- In Honor Harrington the excuse used to exclude Honor from the House of Lords is that she shot a man whose gun was empty. The reason his gun was empty was that he'd just used it to shoot her in the back. To make it even more insane, he'd opened fire on her during a formal duel without waiting for the official start so even if Honor hadn't shot him the officer supervising the duel would have executed him immediately anyway.
- Nakar's Let's Play of Ultima VII Part II: Serpent Isle has a moment that includes some rather hilarious made-up dialogue, with callbacks to the Avatar's adventures in Martian Dreams:
Steve the Avatar: I call the Shadowlords to witness before the Oracle.
Shadowlord Nosfentor: What do you want this time, Steve?
Steve: Nosfentor! Great to see you. I'd like to draw your attention to Exhibit 1.◊
Shadowlord Faulinei: That would be you and Iolo in Ultima IV, killing city guards for money.
Steve: Indeed. And Exhibit 2?◊
Iolo: How is this supposed to help my defense?
Steve: Oh I'm supposed to be defending you?
Shadowlord Astaroth: That would be you dumping off Iolo's dead body at an inn in Ultima V.
Steve: Iolo's dead body! How very interesting. And I should point out that on Mars I encountered one Dr. David Yellin. Exhibit 3◊, if you would.
Iolo: I've told you before I'm n-
Steve: And when Dr. Yellin wouldn't cooperate, do you recall what happened?
Sigmund Freud: Ja, you shot him.◊
Steve: I shot him! Which means that Iolo has died twice. And as you are all surely aware, a man cannot be executed more than twice for committing the same crime. Thus, Iolo cannot be convicted for the crime of being Iolo.
Iolo: But that makes no sense.
Steve: Shut up, you're dead, and zombies have no civil rights.
Lady Yelinda: Ohhhhhh, I'm starting to get it, this is retarded.
Nosfentor: Glad to see someone is catching on.
- This is done repeatedly in The Colbert Report. One of the most absurd examples is the Da Colbert Code, where Stephen Colbert makes predictions using free association, starting with actors' names and titles of movies.
- ...Which in 2006 produced correct Oscar picks, including controversial surprise winner Crash. "I CALLED IT!"
- ...and again in 2009, without error. (Da Colbert Code actually spat out the right answer twice in a row when he didn't like the answer and tried again, until he finally blatantly picked the one he "wanted" to win.)
- He also used the Da Colbert Code to predict the outcome of the 2008 election through free-associations intended to link to John McCain but kept coming up with Barack Obama, much to his dismay.
- The Nostradamus Explanation of Why Bush is Mabus, from Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Flip the M upside down, drop the A, and add the "silent latin H" on the end, and you get Wbush, or W. Bush. Which is clearly what Nostradamus meant when he called the guy Mabus.
- The Nostradamus Explanations of Why either Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden was Mabus was just as random. And now there's also the little problem of both being dead...
- A documentary about Nostradamus on The History Channel used similar logic, combining the last two letters of Osama's first name, with the first three letters of Bush's surname, to "prove" that Bush and Bin Laden were both Mabus.
- In the War on Porn episode anti porn crusader Gail Dines is hell bent on eliminating all forms of adult entertainment altogether, citing it as torture on women, violent and a gateway drug to pedophilia. She became upset when asked about evidence and studies because, by her own admission, there were none.
- The Daily Show:
John Oliver: I don't think that's how probability works.
- Played for laughs when interviewing the main "The LHC will kill us all!" proponent, whose logic on giving it a 50/50 chance of destroying the world was "It'll either happen or it won't, thus there are two possibilities, and since it can be either one, it has to be 50/50."
- Then beautifully parodied when John Oliver pretends to believe it is a 50/50 chance and offers that when the world ends he and the (male) proponent of the LHC-myth should try and repopulate the earth. After all, even if they're both males, there's still a 50/50 chance of them being able to successfully reproduce (it either will happen or it won't).
- He also once used Insane Entertainer Logic to prove that Bert from Sesame Street is Hitler in a brilliant parody of Glenn Beck.
- An episode of Charmed opened with Billie coming up with a completely logical plan to find her sister, Christy, who'd been abducted as a child: the demonic forces who likely abducted her would need a powerful agent to move through in the mortal world, and who's more powerful than corporate America? So, she found a guy who was abducted as a kid — just like Christy — and now works for "corporate America" (which part? GlaxoSmithKline? WalMart? Vivid Video?), and she's meeting with him for lunch to see if there's any trace of demonic residue. It says a lot about the general quality of the episode that this plan actually scores results. Also keep in mind that in Charmed demons can teleport at their leisure, making their "powerful agent" completely unnecessary in the first place. Thus this is a case of Poe's Law, since it's not meant to be a parody but is taken seriously. Now you understand why in certain circles Charmed writers were known as 'Crack Monkeys'.
- The 1960s Batman show used a lot of this in Batman's free association logic, especially in Riddler episodes. Even if the actual answers to the riddles were straightforward, Batman had to employ a lot of Insane Troll Logic to figure out how they related to anything relevant. Penguin actually used to this to his advantage in one episode by leaving behind a purposefully cryptic (and bugged) umbrella for Batman to find, knowing he'd assume it was a clue. Penguin himself had no plans for a crime. He simply listened to Batman and Robin guess at what his next heist would be and make their plan to stop him. Armed with the knowledge of both how to commit his crime and how Batman would try to stop it, Penguin then successfully pulled off the heist.
Hatter: Who made Batman and Robin famous crime-fighters? Criminals, that's who! If you want to honor their memories, stay crooked! It's the least you can do for them!Polly: I guess you're right. In a way...it is sort of like putting flowers on their grave.
- The Penguin turns Guilt By Association on its head in a debate with Batman:
Penguin: Whenever you've seen Batman, who's he with? Criminals! That's who. Look in the old newspapers. Every picture of Batman shows him with thugs, and with thieves, hob-nobbing with crooks... Whereas my pictures always show me surrounded by whom? By the police!
- Thinking he's killed Batman and Robin, the Mad Hatter is about to do a huge heist. His assistant, Polly, is unsure of this.
- The Penguin turns Guilt By Association on its head in a debate with Batman:
- In John Cleese's The Strange Case Of The End Of Civilization As We Know It, the CIA representative asks the Best Minds of the Police of Five Continents what they should do about Moriarty's plot to destroy civilization, etc., noting that "this fiend will stop at nothing." The Best Mind of the Police of Africa proposes that they do nothing, since if Moriarty will stop at nothing, if they do nothing he will stop. The CIA man tries to find the flaw in this, but only ends up muttering "If we do anything, he won't stop, so...."
- Earlier, havoc ensues when the CIA man reporting to the President of the United States (who is not Gerald Ford, honest) insists on responding to a question with "Negative".
"You found a negative?"
"No, I was speaking IN the negative."
"HE found a negative?"
"He was speaking in the negative too."
"You mean... there was a photograph of you speaking to me... and the negative was in Groppinger's diary?
- Earlier, havoc ensues when the CIA man reporting to the President of the United States (who is not Gerald Ford, honest) insists on responding to a question with "Negative".
- The majority of Michael Kelso's thought processes on That '70s Show are this. Some examples:
Point A: Kelso needs a new vehicle for Brooke and their soon-to-be-born child after his van is destroyed.
Point B: The two-seater mini-convertible is frickin' sweet, always a good thing in a vehicle.
Path A-B: Babies are tiny, the mini-convertible is tiny, therefore the mini-convertible is better for the baby than a sedan or van.Point A: You cannot steer a canoe on land (tied to a car or sliding down a mountain).
Point B: You can use a paddle to steer a canoe.
Path A-B: It does not matter if you are on land, because you can steer a canoe with a paddle, duh.
- In an episode of Corner Gas, someone asks, "What are the chances that we have a riot in Dog River?" Karen answers in all seriousness, "I'd say 50-50: either we get a riot, or we don't."
- Community has an actual troll-related case in "Chaos Theory", where Troy tries to defeat a flaming troll by eating it. "Clearly you don't know anything about defeating trolls"
- This is pretty much Waldo's go-to thought process on Family Matters.
Weasel: We bet on the teams whose cities have the ugliest women!Steve: I'm going to hate myself for asking this...but why?Weasel: Wouldn't you be meaner if you came from a city full of ugly women?Steve: I was right. I hate myself.
- Weasel gets Eddie to bet huge on football games as he has a "foolproof system." After they lose over a thousand dollars, Steve asks Weasel what his "system" is.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy: Your logic is not like our Earth logic.Xander: Mine is much more advanced.
- The Trope Namer, using this phrase as a miniature Running Gag, appearing in three episodes. Ironically, its uses aren't really examples as two of them refer to literal trolls. Xander's original comment when asked to choose between Willow and Anya, by Olaf the Troll: "I... I'm not choosing between my girlfriend and my best friend! You're insane. That's insane troll logic!" In a flashback, Anya's then-boyfriend Olaf, whom she later turns into the aforementioned Troll, says to her "Your logic is insane, like that of a Troll!" While Buffy is talking to a recently-risen vampire about her failed relationships, he asks her whose fault her parents' divorce was, to which she responds, "Okay, y'know what? This is beyond evil; this is insane troll logic. What do my parents have to do with this?"
- Principal Snyder (who employs such logic to pin blame on Buffy and her allies for anything and everything) is referred to as the troll by several Scoobies...
- Xander gets his own moment, although not by name, when after Cordelia and Oz discover him and Willow making out and Cordelia is injured while running away, he tries to make the situation their fault because they found them out.
- It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has a generous helping of this, given that all its characters are Jerk Ass idiots. For example, this is Charlie's explanation of why burning trash in the bar's furnace is environmentally sound: If he threw it away, it would just be packed into a landfill, but burning it saves heating money and converts the trash to warmth and also gives the bar the nice, smokey burning trash smell. Also, instead of just rotting away on the earth, the burned trash turns to smoke and eventually goes into the air where it turns into stars.
Mac: That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about stars to dispute it.
- Chris Morris's sketch show Jam features a sketch in which stupid people are employed to engage in arguments, the idea being that they are so incompetent at logic that their opponents will simply give up in frustration.
- A favored tactic of Kelly Bensimon on The Real Housewives of New York City. She likes to start arguments with outrageously flawed statements as their centerpiece. For example, she once explained that the reason that she and another woman saw things so differently was because "I'm a blonde, you're a brunette". Even if that mattered, it's not true: Kelly's hair is dark auburn, not even close to blond. It's possible that she knows that this gives her an advantage, in the sense that there's no possible comeback when someone's gone and played the cray-cray card; but it's more likely that she's just an angry Cloudcuckoolander speaking her honest mind.
- Young Blades: In "The Chameleon," the young King Louis XIV reads part of a book from India saying that the Master of Changing Light, after years of intense study and training, can make himself look like other people. He tries concentrating for a few seconds and then gives up. Leads to this scene later in the episode:
D'Artagnan: What if I told you there is an impostor in Paris who can look like anyone?...Louis: You've been reading that book of fairy tales, haven't you? The Master of Changing Light?... Pure fantastical nonsense! I mean, I tried it myself, and if the King of France can't bend his appearance to the force of his will, I ask you, who can?D'Artagnan & Duval: (Stunned Silence)
- In Keeping Up Appearances, Hyacinth's social-climbing attempts and rationales can sometimes take on this edge. She once asked Richard to smile while doing the gardening so that if any people she was trying to impress happened to drop by they'd assume that they could afford a gardener but choose not to because Richard enjoyed it so much.
- This crops up in just about every speech given by Roderick Spode who is meant to be a parody of Sir Oswald Mosley in Jeeves and Wooster. Some of his ideas include creating a giant collapsible channel bridge to drown anyone who tries to cross and wants to replace 27,000 miles of railway track in order to widen their spacing by eight inches to facilitate the transportation of livestock, paid for by the fact that sheep will be able to stand sideways
- On Martin, the title character's CD player has gone missing and he spends the whole episode trying to figure out who took it. It turns that Martin's upstairs neighbor, Brotha Man, borrowed it without Martin's knowledge. Brotha Man explains that he left a note for Martin underneath his bathroom sink, figuring that Martin would eventually look there because Brotha Man had used up all the toilet paper. Everyone in the room, including Martin, is rendered speechless as Brotha Man casually shuffles out the window.
- This A Bit of Fry and Laurie sketch uses it brilliantly. During the interrogation, when the woman accused of being a lesbian points out that she's married a Bishop of the Church of England, the Prosecutor points out that the Church owns land. Land upon which houses have been built. Houses in which it is statistically probable that private acts of lesboid love have been committed.
- As detailed in this spectacular takedown, the History Channel series Ancient Aliens might as well be entitled Insane Troll Logic: The Series.
- Both Michael Scott and Dwight Schrute on The Office have an issue with logic, but not normally for the same reasons, although Dwight is guilty of going along with whatever Michael says. Both characters seem to lack any sense of logic whatsoever, although Dwight seems to rationalize a bit better than Michael.
- Married... with Children's Al Bundy often uses this for marriage, wives, and the husbands that have to suffer, including himself.
- In the premiere of Coupling, Susan breaks up with Patrick, and tells him that she had not been faithful to him. When he reveals that he had also been seeing someone else, she gets very upset, accusing him of cheating. When he calls her on her hypocrisy, she "explains" that "I wasn't cheating! I wasn't being faithful. You were being faithful, and that means you were cheating. And I thought I knew you."
- M*A*S*H: While in temporary command, Burns bans gambling. Hearing the kitchen guy lost $300, he claims it must have been stolen. When told the money was lost at gambling, Burns' reasoning is that since he banned gambling, then there isn't any gambling, so the money couldn't have been lost at gambling, so it must've been stolen.
- Red Dwarf:
Kryten: But it seemed to me that if humanoids eat chicken then obviously they'd eat their own species; otherwise they'd just be picking on the chickens.
- In The Twilight Zone (1959) episode, "A Penny for Your Thoughts," Hector Poole (Dick York) can hear the thoughts of others. When he tries to convince his boss, Mr. Bagby, that the accountant, Mr. Smithers, is going to rob the bank, Bagby isn't convinced when Poole tells him Smithers' plan. Instead, Bagby reasons that Smithers is the bank's most trusted employee and that's who always robs the bank, the most trusted employee. Smithers is trusted, therefore, he's going to rob the bank.
- In an early moment of infamy from The Real World, Kevin Powell from season 1 declares to Julie: "Race plus power equals racism!"
- In Blackadder The Witchsmeller Pursuviant's Kangaroo Court to accuse Edmund of being a witch was built on this. Edmund named his cat Bubbles? It's short for Beelzebubbles. He was giving it "bloody milk?" He was feeding his cat milk, then blood. He feeds his horse carrots? Carrots are the fruit of Satan. Percy and Baldrick act as Edmund's defense? They are also witches. And the reason the Witchsmeller Pursuvaint did all this? Edmund made a minor insult towards his methods.
- Friends: Phoebe thrives on this. For example, in "The One With The Cat", Phoebe tries to justify her belief that a stray cat is the reincarnated spirit of her mother by explaining that her guitar case is lined with orange felt. Her mom's favorite fish, meanwhile, was orange roughy. Cats like fish. Soooooooooooo....
- Used infrequently in If I Ruled The World, in the "I Couldn't Disagree More" round. For example:
Jeremy Hardy: We'd like to thank Britain's pensioners for helping to win the War.
Graeme Garden: Well, no, you see, it was the young people who fought in the War. The pensioners were too old, and they've done nothing but moan about it since.
- Done intentionally by John Oliver on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver to satirize Conspiracy Theories, thus 'proving' that Cadbury Creme eggs are the tools of the Illuminati, who are secretly controlled by Jay-Z and Beyoncé.
- Used in a very twisted way by a Villain of the Week on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit who kidnaps and rapes virgins, and then says he had to because his wife wasn't a virgin when they tried to consummate their marriage.
- In the BBC sitcom Lab Rats, after Minty (the secretary) has embarrassed the gathered scientists by suggesting the obvious solution to their problem, Dr Beenyman attempts to put her down (she is holding a watering can over a pot plant):
Beenyman: That plant's plastic you know.
Minty: Yeah well there's no water in this!
- 7th Heaven:
- In "Tunes", when Eric sees Simon sagging his pants, this is on the lines of what he says: "Do you know where that particular fashion trend started? Prison. Do you know where you're going if you keep sagging your pants like that? Prison!"
- In "Just You Wait and See", Julie remains adamant at not wanting to have a baby with her husband, from whom she separated, despite the fact she's eight months pregnant, and also implies that her brother is to blame for her marriage and pregnancy because she thinks she does the opposite of what he wants.
- In-universe example: Lucy's friend Rod speculates that the reason why the girls' basketball coach cancelled the season was that the team hired trained Russian girls to be on the team to ensure wins, which he justifies by stating that the economic collapse of the Soviet Union (which fell in 1991, a full eight years before the episode aired) would make this possible. Lucy calls him out on it, and states the real reason being that the girls' grades slipped.
- On Riverdale Polly Cooper and Jason Blossom had an affair with Polly pregnant with twins. She stays with the Blossoms who have long hated the Coopers. Polly's father, Hal, reveals to his wife and daughters the truth that the Blossoms and Coopers are actually the same family who broke apart a few generations back, meaning Polly and Jason were related. The Coopers rush to the Blossoms only to realize that the Blossoms knew. Jason's mother, Penelope, claims that this is a great thing as it means the twins are "as purely Blossom" as possible. Hal speaks for everyone by yelling "what is wrong with you people?!"
- In the Netflix adaptation of A Series of Unfortunate Events, Jerome Squalor suggests giving the proceeds of an auction to the poor. His wife's response is this trope.
Starving people can't eat money. Plus, if we give money to the poor, then they won't be poor anymore, and then we won't have anyone to feel sorry for.
- A 2018 sketch on Saturday Night Live has Donald Glover as a lawyer trying to defend the owners of Jurassic Park on being responsible for the deaths of guests. He seriously argues that the guest agreement that the park "is not responsible for the loss of any personal items" extends to living people in his company.
Defendent: I don't consider my family and friends "items."Lawyer: But the law does.Judge: Let the record show that the law does not.
- On Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Garak is attracted to Ziyal, who's the daughter of his arch-enemy Gul Dukat. When she invites him on a date, Garak is suspicious that she's setting him up to be killed to win favor with her father. Kira shows up at the shop and threatens Garak to stay away from Ziyal and never hurt her. Her anger convinces Garak that the date is for real and he can enjoy it. But then Quark suggests that maybe Kira wants Garak to go into a trap to get himself killed and is playing being angered because that will goad him into a date-murder. And Garak actually thinks this makes sense.
- Let There Be Guns by The Arrogant Worms.
Worm 1: Nobody ever gets shot, cause everybody have a gun.Worm 2: Makes sense.Everybody: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?...
- Also, their "Don't Go Into Politics" concludes that going into politics, science, or music is a bad idea, because so many famous politicians, scientists, and musicians are now dead.
- In the song "Bubba Shot the Jukebox" by Country Music singer Mark Chesnutt, the title character gets angered by a song on the jukebox and shoots it. When the cops arrive, this trope occurs:
Reckless discharge of a gun, that's what the officer's a-claimin'
Bubba hollered, "Reckless, hell, I hit just where I was aimin'!"
- The Lonely Island song "Threw It On The Ground" has a scene of the protagonist at the farmer's market with his "so-called girlfriend", who hands him her cellphone, stating it's his dad. He then throws it on the ground, because his dad's "not a phone! DUH!"
- "1.0 (Fuck No)" by the Moistboyz is a song that rationalizes drinking and driving with lines such as "Why'd you put the bar so far from my home?"
- Flanders and Swann, parodying Neo-Luddites and their attitudes, said "If God had intended us to fly, He would never have given us the railways."
- Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes loves this type of logic.
- When he's doing a report on bats, he classifies them as bugs because they fly, they're ugly, and they're hairy. He also says he'll get an A on his paper because he's using a "professional" clear plastic binder.
- Calvin also protests going to school because if ignorance is bliss, then his education is a violation of his right to the pursuit of happiness. He puts on a patriotic, American Revolution-esque shtick, and when his teachers chase him as he tries to leave the classroom, he calls them "monarchists."
Roger: It has an extra-large sweet spot that can help correct my slice.Andy: And that will save us money how?Roger: Remember the lawyer I almost beaned last time?Andy: He only threatened to sue.Roger: Then there are the buckets of balls I lose each time...Andy: You know, you could just stop playing!!
- In one strip, after Roger spends part of his and Andy's bank account to buy a very expensive driver without her permission, he tries to convince his understandably furious wife that it can actually help them save money. (And only succeeds in making her angrier.):
- In another strip, Roger - again - needs an antacid because he got sick to his stomach having lunch at a place called the Mucky Clam. Andy asks him why he'd ever eat there, as he always gets sick when he does. Roger says it was because they had an all-you-can-eat special.
Dilbert: Reading increases my knowledge, and knowledge is power.
- In This early strip:
Dogbert: But power corrupts... and corruption is a crime... and crime doesn't pay... if you keep reading, you'll go broke!!!
Dilbert: It... it always seemed so harmless!
Dogbert: Yeah, that's what the librarians want you to think.
Dan: I'm much smarter than you because scientists have invented many things.
- Another Dilbert story arc introduced Dan the Illogical Scientist, who was a practiced hand at this sort of thing.
Dilbert: But those are other scientists, not you.
Dan: Apparently you don't understand how science works.
Dan: That idea won't work. I know because I've read many reports about ideas that didn't work.
Alice: You haven't even looked at my idea.
Dan: Oh, I get it; you're one of those religious nuts.
- Pearls Before Swine featured Rat wearing a hat that he claimed made him immortal. His logic was that he wore it and he hadn't died yet.
- In a Peanuts strip, Lucy is interviewing the cast at the sandlot for a school newspaper article on violence in sports:
Lucy: A judge recently described a hockey stick as a "dangerous weapon", do you agree?Franklin: In all my years of playing baseball, I have never once been hit by a hockey stick!Lucy: There's another for my list of stupid answers...
- Pogo does this constantly. For example, when Albert is on trial for allegedly eating Pup-Dog, Seminole Sam produces a fish skeleton as evidence, arguing that Pup-Dog was so fond of water he was "jus' like a fish." Porkypine refutes him by pointing out that it's a catfish skeleton.
- Often, the characters would attempt to outwit each other, each using their own Insane Troll Logic. The results were... frequently astonishing.
Howland Owl: Seminole Sam's hair tonic growed hair on me! Why you so worried about that watermelon?Albert: Poor watermelon din't grow hair. She'll catch cold!Seminole Sam (listening to the melon): Worse than I thought! The melon has no pulse!Albert: Mebbe it's holdin' its breath?
- Often, the characters would attempt to outwit each other, each using their own Insane Troll Logic. The results were... frequently astonishing.
- Sally Forth (Howard) subverts this trope. Hilary tells Sally that since she told her Christmas was about giving, she took the egg carton out of the fridge and put the eggs in a plastic bag. It turns out to make sense, however, when it's revealed in the next strip that Hilary had used the egg carton to make an ornament for Sally.
- One Garfield strip has him speaking to the readers:
Garfield: "There are many advantages to being lazy." (Long Beat Panel) "One being not having to tell you what they are."
- Samoa Joe walked out on Crimson during a tag team match in TNA because Crimson was on an undefeated streak and Joe never needed help during his undefeated streak.
- John "Bradshaw" Layfield's rants on supporting the heels have this, one example saying that Daniel Bryan had the nerve to reject the The Wyatt Family even though they kidnapped him to force him to join. He also says that The Authority's abuse of power was "helping" wrestlers and "best for business".
- Michael Cole was doing this after Layfield's departure to wrestle again and before Layfield's return to the announce table from 2010-2012. His demented justifications for the behavior of many heels, especially former General Manager John Laurinaitis, angered many fans, as well as other members of the commentary team.
- Sami Callihan deserves a shot at Dragon Gate USA's Open The Freedom Gate Champion Johnny Gargano because Gargano and Callihan are both part of the EVOLVE roster, which was just featured in a video game in which Callihan's usage by players exceeds Gargano's by 2%! Proof that the people are turning on Gargano, proof that Callihan is better than him!
- One skit on the Rita Moreno episode of The Muppet Show had Kermit, Piggy, Rita (portraying "Tiffany Gonzales"), and Brewster (a mostly forgotten Muppet) in a panel discussion:
Brewster: In my country we have a seldom-used saying, "When the swine lubricates the automobile, you wind up with a greased pig".Rita: That doesn't make sense.Brewster: I know, that's why it's seldom used.
- In the Fraggle Rock episode "The Preachification of Convincing John", Mokey has very sensible (albeit wrong) reason for wanting the Fraggles to stop eating Doozer constructions. When this fails to persuade everyone, she recruits Convincing John, who explains it like this:
Well you eat a Doozer tower,
And it's as pretty as a flower,
And a flower's what you pick up in a field,
But the field can have a hole,
And you can fall in while you stroll,
And then a Gorg can come along to find a meal,
And he can pack you in a sack,
And you can try to scramble back,
But you'll never, ever, ever get free,
'Cause every time you eat a tower you'll be shut up for eternity!
- The Goon Show based a huge portion of its humor around this kind of logic. One of the best known examples is the exchange between Eccles and Bluebottle that is usually referred to by its first line, "What time is it, Eccles?" In this example, Eccles explains in a perfectly logical sequence of total nonsense that he knows what time it is, because he has the time written on a piece of paper in his pocket.
- I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue uses a lot of this logic, either taking it seriously (of course Mornington Crescent is a real, rational game with a long and detailed history) or as one-off gags and quick silliness.
Humph: Graeme, why are cashew nuts never sold in their shells?Graeme: Ah, that's because cashews are actually monkey kidneys. And monkey kidneys don't come in shells, they come in monkeys. That would bulk out the packaging too much.
- Doctor Who – Expanded Universe
- In Big Finish Doctor Who, an Eldritch Abomination named Zagreus possesses the Doctor. The TARDIS manages to lock him up inside her. Zagreus tells her that he's dead now, so she'd better let him out. When the TARDIS pointedly remarks that dead people generally don't talk, Zagreus tries to convince her that she's mad for talking back to a dead person, so she'd better let him out.
- In the BBC audio drama Hornets' Nest, the hornet queen throws every moment of doubt Mike Yates has ever had of the Doctor at him in order to break his trust, heedless of the fact that they're contradictory. So in one breath she criticises the Doctor for abandoning Earth, then she suggests that he's not really a time and space traveller at all and Mike's been conned, and then she asks Mike if he's not jealous of his Time Lord powers.
- The vast majority of logic from Karl Pilkington, from The Ricky Gervais Show, is this.
- For example, he's willing to donate all of his organs except his eyes. He doesn't want to donate his eyes because he's afraid of becoming a blind ghost. Even though he is convinced that blind people will get eyes in the afterlife.
- Another example: Karl believes that snakes and spiders like hiding under rocks. The Earth is essentially a giant rock, with Australia underneath. That's why there's so many snakes and spiders in Australia.
- Karl thought the dodo went extinct because it tasted terrible and no-one wanted to eat it.
- Bleak Expectations has an example of a character using such logic, when Harry Biscuit attempts to break the 30 mile an hour speed limit. He believes the issue is a lack of horsepower, on account of only having so many horses. Therefore, if he has more horses, he shall have more horsepower, and break the speed limit.
Harry: It is simple mathematics.Pip Bin: ... It is wrong mathematics!
- In The Men from the Ministry:
- Mr. Lamb asks his landlady Mrs. Bradby to charge less rent for the benefit of both of them. When Mildred questions how it brings help to her, Lamb says that in weeks he can't pay she loses less money.
- According to Sir Gregory, it is said that one person in four is mentally unstable. Therefore if you're in the bus and the nearest three people look sane, it must be you.
- In the radio version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (and no other versions) the natives of Brontitall build a fifteen mile high statue of Arthur Dent Throwing The Nutrimatic Cup, an event they witnessed as a vision that changed their whole society. The Arthur Dent part of the statue stands on the ground; the Cup part of the statue hovers in midair. Why? Because it's artistically right.
- Bill Cosby has a famous routine about him being rudely awakened by his wife, and his daughter asking him if she can have cake for breakfast. He decides it must be healthy because it has eggs, wheat, and milk in it, and says yes. His wife then comes down, sees what the kids are eating, "has a conniption", and then sends him back to the bedroom... which is where he wanted to be in the first place.
- Mitch Hedberg would frequently use this to great comedic effect. One anecdote he told revolves around him trying to buy bread from Subway, who refused to sell him a plain loaf but gave it to him for free when he said he wanted it to feed some ducks. Conclusion: Ducks eat for free at Subway.
"Had I known that, I would've ordered a much larger sandwich. 'Lemme have the steak fajita sandwich, but don't bother ringing it up, it's for a duck! There are six ducks out there, and they all want Sun Chips!'"
- In Dungeons & Dragons, slaadi have weird ways of thinking. They are outsiders from the realm of chaos, are Always Chaotic Neutral (or Chaotic Evil in 4th edition), and who have a mechanically-enforced Our Monsters Are Weird creature-generation system. They also look like giant anthropomorphic frogs. And this is ignoring the very big potential for Player Character Chaotic Stupid tendency.
- In Paranoia, playing along with The Computer's Insane Troll Logic is a major survival skill and plot instigator.
- This is part of the appeal of Warhammer 40,000's Orks. Imperial scholars theorize that somewhere in the distant past a Mekboy built two superficially identical vehicles, one of which was painted red. Due to an immeasurable internal difference, the red vehicle went faster, so the Orks decided it was due to the color scheme, a belief they've stuck with ever since. Since the Orks are unconsciously, latently psychic, this means that any vehicle painted red goes faster because they expect it to.note
- Orks on military strategy: "Here's da plan: win. If we lose, it's because ya didn't follow da plan."
- Orks on friendly fire: "If ya misses it, it's obviously one o' ours. If ya hits it, den it must be one o' theirs."
- Orks on victory and defeat: "Orkses is never beaten in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin' so it don't count as beat. If we runs for it we don't die neither, so we can always come back for anuvver go, see!"
- Even better: "Orks is made for fightin' an' winnin'. So if dey lose, den dey weren't really Orks!"
- Orks on being ambushed: "Ha! Dese gits just made da classic blunda: attackin' an Ork who 'adn't found 'em already! Now we'z can stomp dem fasta, haha!"
- One Ork Warboss and his invasion fleet got sent back in time by a Warpstorm, arriving shortly before they'd left. The Warboss decided to kill his past self so he'd have two copies of his favorite gun. The resulting confusion stopped the invasion in its tracks.
- /tg/ has applied Orky logic to matters of camouflage, concluding that purple is the sneakiest color. Because you've never seen a purple army, have you?
- This can apply to the Players themselves. A swarm of infantry bodies in any other army would be a suicide tactic (or at least be a handicap in the case of the imperial guard). For the Orks, it's the only tactic! This actually works because the Orks roll so many dice, the sheer amount of actual hits are still enough to kill whatever they're targeting, despite the massive odds against them.
- In Genius: The Transgression, this is the Phenomenologist's modus operandi. They believe that facts shouldn't get in the way of personal whim and so they will happily alter their philosophy and perception of reality to justify whatever they're doing at the time. What sets them apart from The Unfettered is that they genuinely believe everything they say, even if it's obviously absolute nonsense.
- A big part of Conspiracist is the player characters (agents of the Illuminati) using absurd logic to determine what their mission will be, based on a cryptic clue given by the game master (or "Controller").
- This is the basis of how the Theatre of the Absurd works. Eugene Ionesco was particularly good at this.
- In Anyone Can Whistle, the patients from a local insane asylum infiltrate a line of pilgrims waiting to see a "miracle" set up by the mayoress and her cronies. To keep from being exposed, they call on the asylum's doctor, who sends his recently arrived assistant, J. Bowden Hapgood. Hapgood promises to separate the sane from the insane using "the principles of logic," and has an entire 13-minute musical sequence that is full of this kind of "logic".
- Any Dane or Norwegian who didn't sleep their way through school knows this classic example from Ludvig Holberg's 18th century comedy Erasmus Montanus: Erasmus, having returned to his home village after getting an education at the Copenhagen university, demonstrates the power of logical thinking to his mother by stating that since rocks can't fly and his mother can't fly, she must be a rock. The mother is so gullible that she begins to think she is a rock, but Erasmus "saves" her by pointing out that rocks can't talk, but she can, so she's not a rock after all. Due to this play, the concept of insane troll logic is called Erasmus-Montanus logic in Denmark.
- In Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew, Petruchio orders his servants not to let his wife, Kate, eat or sleep. Kate begs their servant Grumio to give her food. Grumio pretends to use this so that he can follow Petruchio's orders.
- First he offers to get Kate some calf's foot. When she agrees he rescinds the offer, saying that calf's foot would make her bad tempered.
- Then he offers her tripe, but takes that offer back for the same reason.
- The real kicker is the beef and mustard. When he offers this to Kate, she agrees. Then he says no, because the mustard is too hot. She says she'll have the beef without the mustard, then. He says no, the beef goes with the mustard. She says she's willing to eat one or the other or both or anything else. So Grumio comes up with the perfect solution: mustard without the beef!
- In Caryl Churchill's version of A Dream Play, there is a scene with a teacher in school arguing logic with a student of his. The teacher is asked what time is, to which he replies that since time flies, logically, time is something that flies while he's speaking. One of the other schoolboys starts to fly, claiming that by that logic, he is time. The teacher agrees, confirming that he is in fact time. But the first student says that that's impossible, and because logic failed in that case, we can therefore logically prove that logic is wrong.
- Touchstone, in As You Like It, explains that Corin's going to Hell because he never went to court:
Why, if thou never wast at court, thou never sawest good manners; if thou never sawest good manners, then thy manners must be wicked; and wickedness is sin, and sin is damnation. Thou art in a parlous state, shepherd.
- And while we're on the subject of fools in Shakespeare, Feste, the fool from Twelfth Night, is a master of this. For example, he attempts to prove that Olivia is a fool so that the people asked to "take away the fool" will remove her instead of him:
Feste: Good madonna, why mournest thou?Olivia: Good fool, for my brother's death.Feste: I think his soul is in Hell, madonna.Olivia: I know his soul is in Heaven, fool.Feste: The more fool, madonna, to mourn for your brother's soul being in heaven. Take away the fool, gentlemen.
- Launce in Two Gentlemen of Verona:
Launce: Fie on thee, jolt-head! Thou canst not read.Speed: Thou liest; I can.Launce: I will try thee. Tell me this: who begot thee?Speed: Marry, the son of my grandfather.Launce: O illiterate loiterer! it was the son of thy grandmother: this proves that thou canst not read.
- Pops up constantly throughout the works of Gilbert and Sullivan:
Point: Now observe. She said "Hands off!" Whose hands? Thine. Off whom? Off her. Why? Because she is a woman. Now, had she not been a woman, thine hands had not been set upon her at all. So the reason for the laying on of hands is the reason for the taking off of hands, and herein is contradiction contradicted! It is the very marriage of pro with con; and no such lopsided union either, as times go, for pro is not more unlike con than man is unlike woman — yet men and women marry every day with none to say, "Oh, the pity of it!" but I and fools like me!
- Jack Point's explanation of how there is humour in all things in The Yeomen of the Guard is this with a touch of Metaphorgotten:
Ko-Ko: When Your Majesty says "Let a thing be done", it's as good as done, practically it is done, because Your Majesty's will is law. Your Majesty says "Kill a gentleman", and a gentleman is told off to be killed. Consequently that gentleman is as good as dead—practically he is dead, and if he is dead, why not say so?The Mikado: I see. Nothing could possibly be more... ha-ha-ha, satisfactory!
- In The Mikado, Ko-Ko saves his life (plus the lives of Pooh-Bah and Pitti-Sing) when Nanki-Poo suddenly shows up, very much alive. This puts the Mikado in something of a quandary; Ko-Ko did not kill the heir apparent, but he is in dereliction of his duty. Ko-Ko solves the problem thusly:
- Cue the Dance Party Ending
- In Ruddigore, the entire plot is motivated by a curse that compels the current Bad Baronet of Ruddigore to commit a crime every day or die in agony. Robin (the current baronet) is about to be killed by the ghost of his ancestor, Sir Roderick, for failing to commit his daily crime, when he suggests to Roderick that failing to commit a crime is tantamount to suicide, and suicide is itself a crime. Not only does this satisfy Roderick, but causes him to come back to life (essentially making his undeath vanish in a Puff of Logic).
- In The Pirates of Penzance Major-General Stanley claims the tombs in the ruined chapel on his estate are the tombs of his ancestors, even though he only bought the estate a year ago. He is their "descendant by purchase," you see.
- Angels in America has Roy Cohn explaining to his doctor at length how he is not homosexual, even though he does have sex with men, as homosexuality is really about lacking social, economical and political power.
"Roy Cohn is not a homosexual. Roy Cohn is an heterosexual man, Henry, who fucks around with guys."
- "Ya Got Trouble" from The Music Man:
It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
In a baulk line game,
I say that any boob can take
And shove a ball in a pocket.
And they call that sloth.
The first big step on the road
To the depths of deg-ra-Day—
I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
Then beer from a bottle.
An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is playin' for money
In a pinch-back suit.
You got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a bum,
Trouble with a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'pool'!
- The Miser has The Matchmaker Frosine use it in hopes of convincing Harpagon that marrying Marianne will give him "a clear twelve thousand francs a year", by listing all the expensive things that Marianne does not indulge in and summing up their prices.
- In Arsenic and Old Lace (including the film version) Mortimer Brewster pulls this when trying to get "Teddy Roosevelt" Brewster to sign the papers to admit him and his aunts to the crazy house.
Mortimer Brewster: The name Brewster is code for Roosevelt.Teddy Brewster: Code for Roosevelt?Mortimer Brewster: Yes. Don't you see? Take the name Brewster, take away the B, and what have you got?Teddy Brewster: Rooster!Mortimer Brewster: Uh-huh. And what does a rooster do?Teddy Brewster: Crows.Mortimer Brewster: It crows. And where do you hunt in Africa?Teddy Brewster: On the veldt!Mortimer Brewster: There you are: crows — veldt!Teddy Brewster: Ingenious! My compliments to the boys in the code department.
- The confused police inspector then remarks "Do that again!"
- In The Crucible, a play about the Salem witch trials, an old man named George Jacobs is accused of witchcraft, Abigail Williams claiming he entered her window at night to perform his spells. Jacobs points out that he needs canes to walk, and that climbing would be impossible with his health. The court replies that he could've sent his spirit into the window. Sadly, Jacobs can't argue against that and gets hanged.
- One of the Soviet missions in Command & Conquer: Red Alert would end in failure if you actually completed your mission objectives. Only by deliberately losing in an oddly specific way could you progress through the campaign (also an example of Guide Dang It!).
- In Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, Greater-Scope Villain Master Xehanort wants to bring full-on Balance Between Light and Darkness to all Worlds. So throughout the series (both directly and via proxies), he performs countless Black Magic experiments and Complexity Addiction-y schemes that clearly benefit only the Realm of Darkness while simultaneously harming the Realm of Light. Never mind the fact that said Worlds, being in the Realm of Light, are naturally Light-leaning anyway.
- In Assassin's Creed: Freedom Cry, French Governor de Fayet comments that former slave Adewale's murder of him is because the latter was from freed from slavery. This, while technically true, doesn't take into account that Adewale is trying to murder him because of all the abuses he endured as a slave. Not to mention the Governor having just murdered an entire ship full of slaves.
- In BlazBlue you would think that Hazama, Kokonoe, Jin Kisaragi, or even Relius Clover could be capable of this it's really Lotte Carmine and Ada Clover (the latter to a small extent).
- Dai Gyakuten Saiban features the great detective himself, Sherlock Holmes, whose thinking is often flawed. Naruhodo often has to correct his reasoning, which can border on the absurd.
- Grand Theft Auto V allows you to start a fight with someone and then call the police on them - and if they are armed it will result in them getting shot. You can use this to rob Ammunation and assist you in Gang Attacks, to name a couplee.
- In Mass Effect:
Shepard: You refused to testify. Obviously you hate justice and deserve this.
Lorik Qi'in: What insane breed of logic is that?!
Shepard: You Have GOT To Be Kidding Me!
- "Hey everyone! This store discriminates against the poor!
- An indoctrinated Hanar reasons that if his race worships the Protheans and the remaining Protheans were converted into the Reapers' slaves, the Hanar must worship the Reapers. Shepard might refer to this as "insane jellyfish" logic.
Hanar: Therefore, as a faithful servant of the Enkindlers, we too must serve the Reapers.
Shepard: You. Big. Stupid. Jellyfish!
Kasumi: You know, I support religious freedom for all species, but that's just crazy.
- Ka'hairal Balak blames Shepard for the downfall of the batarians, because by stopping him at Terra Nova Shepard "forced" the Hegemony to accelerate research efforts on a Reaper corpse, therefore creating more indoctrinated batarians to sabotage Khar'shan when the Reapers came.
- The game Metal Wolf Chaos features propaganda news reports that define a True American as "anyone who supports the idea of having the families and friends of terrorist sympathizers murdered in the streets" rather than "anyone who is a citizen of America".
- The Spathi from Star Control 2 use this to justify their fear of an "Ultimate Evil" that surely intends to destroy them. They have never found any evidence that such an evil exists, which means that it must be hiding just outside the range of their most powerful sensors, which is proof of its nefarious intent.
- It should be noted that when they figure out how to open and close the slaver system-isolating forcefields the Spathi break their alliance and put a shield around their own planet to be safely shut off from the rest of the universe.
- Pokémon Black and White:
- The Animal Wrongs Group, Team Plasma. Especially the grunts and their tendency to explain themselves along the lines of 'we're abusing this Pokemon to help it!'
- One of the Team Plasma members in Chargestone Cave has this line to offer after she is defeated: "It's bad for ordinary Trainers like you to use Pokémon. It's good for us members of Team Plasma to use Pokémon!"
- Early in Suikoden V there is a tournament to decide who will get to marry the Prince's sister. One group of people decide it's their patriotic duty to get a foreign competitor kicked out of the tournament. They do this by picking a fight with him so he will get disqualified when he kills them. When the Prince tries to stop them they figure that the real Prince would never try to stop such obviously patriotic people, therefore the Prince must be an impostor!
- Jables's Adventure. Jables and Squiddy plumb the depths of the Card-Carrying Villain's depravity:
Jables: I had no idea there was a villain.
Squiddy: I bet he's the one who kidnapped the princess.
Jables: Let her go, King Squid!
King Squid: I didn't kidnap any princess.
Squiddy: Then where is she?
King Squid: My plan doesn't involve the princess.
Squiddy: Yet you kidnapped her anyway.
Jables: That's evil.
King Squid: ...
- In Persona 4, the true killer claims that he didn't kill the victims, he only threw them into the TV world, which then was responsible for their deaths. This despite it being pointed out that he knew what would happen to Saki Konishi after Mayumi Yamano died in the TV world. Also, noting that the world is influenced by people's thoughts, suggests that everyone outside, including the investigation team, is responsible, presumably saying this as a way of playing mind games with them.
- In Final Fantasy XIII:
- The fal'Cie are Jerkass Gods (well not actual gods but close to it) who run on Blue and Orange Morality, but in practice their methods are this trope. Fal'cie brand humans with mystical markings, turning them into l'Cie, servants that are bound to complete an objective, called a Focus. However, the Focus is usually only conveyed via vague visions and hallucinations, the fal'Cie sometimes state clearly what the Focus is but not always, leaving it to the l'Cie to guess what their Focus is. Completing the Focus comes with a time limit, fail and you turn into a zombie-like Cie'th. Succeed and your reward is immortality...as a crystal statue, until someday the fal'Cie has need of you again and revives you with a new Focus, with all the same restrictions as before.
- Even more troll logic can be seen in Balthandier's plan in the final chapter. Not that it stops the heros from going along with it anyway. The fal'Cie want to be reunited with their god. In order to do that a MASSIVE number of humans need to die, as in all of Cocoon. The fal'Cie power Cocoon, and so if they were to die then Cocoon would fall to Pulse, killing all the humans and bringing the gods back to the world. The problem? They cannot self destruct, and no human can harm them, so they create l'Cie to kill them. Okay so far... but then he tells the heros the plan to die at their hands thus killing all humans. Being heros they refuse, so enter the troll logic. If they don't do it then he'll manipulate the human military to do it instead. WAIT A MINUTE! You just told us humans can't hurt you and only we can. What will that accomplish? No matter, we now must stop you from manipulating the human military by killing you! What do you mean it was your plan all along to make us kill you and we just said we wouldn't? YOU HAVE TO BE STOPPED!
- The Corwids of Zeno Clash are all a bit nuts, but among the maddest is Helim, who decided he wanted to be invisible. So he started plucking out the eyes of every creature that could see him.
- Dragon Age II: Sarcastic Hawke's logic definitely falls under this category sometimes.
- Early on in Ghost Trick, Sissel discovers that the ghost of the recently deceased dog Missile has tagged along with him into the past to prevent his death. Missile doesn't bat an eye at such a feat, reasoning that if his master can walk on two feet and he can't, he shouldn't find it weird that Sissel can walk through time and he can't. The worst part? Sissel agrees with his line of reasoning.
- Although animals and humans are capable of communicating with each other in the ghost world, their knowledge about the world is vastly different, resulting in Missile drawing this absurd conclusion. Justified as it turns out that Sissel was a cat all along who mistakenly assumed a human identity.
- Exit Fate's Father Luther explains how to spot a vampire◊:
All vampires play the organ! And if all vampires play the organ, then one who plays the organ is most likely a vampire!
- Baldur's Gate II has some of this logic coming from an actual insane troll. Here's the conversation if you try to keep a dialogue going as long as possible instead of attacking him right after he says:
Troll Cook: Hello there foodthing. You are just in time. Please just jump onto the grill over there.
Protagonist: Pardon me?
Troll Cook: The grill. That big metal thing. Jump on. Be careful, it's hot!
Protagonist: You speak well for a troll.
Troll Cook: My mother tried hard to give me good learning. She sent me to live with these hobgoblins here. They smart. Trained me how to cook real good.
Protagonist: Do you like these orcs?
Troll Cook: They smell bad, but they're okay. They can be mean sometimes. Chief DigDag sometimes cuts my fingers off and throws them onto the grill. Says they taste like sausages.
Protagonist: Doesn't that hurt?
Troll Cook: Yep. But I'm a troll. Fingers cut off. Fingers grow back. Now quit talking and start broiling! Chief DigDag doesn't like me talking to the food.
Protagonist: I'm not letting you cook me, you crazy troll!
Troll Cook: Uncle Cajum, he was crazy. Me, I'm not crazy. I'm a cook. Now get on the grill!
Protagonist: Why would I want to be on the grill?
Troll Cook: Geez. It's impossible to get good help nowadays. If you're not on the grill, how am I going to cook you?
Protagonist: I don't want to be cooked.
Troll Cook: If you didn't want to be cooked, then why did you apply for the job? I think you'll all make a tasty snack! Boys! Get 'em!
- In Disgaea 4, Fuka gives some pretty interesting arguments on why she's not actually dead:
Fuka: Even if I were dead, I'd be sent to heaven, not hell or whatever you call this place. I didn't do anything wrong to deserve this. Why would a ninth grader die anyway? If this isn't heaven, then it can't be real. If this isn't real, it must be a dream. How's that!? It's a flawless theory!Valvatorez: You're right! It's airtight!
- Then again, it's a Disgaea game, which tends to be full of this.
- In Awful Fantasy, an infamous 2002 romhack of Final Fantasy VI by Something Awful Goons, there is the following piece of Insane Troll Logic, which makes about as much sense as the rest of the hack: "Ice cream, eyebeams — cyclops. One. One means death! AL IS GOING TO KILL EVERYONE!"
- World of Warcraft has a rather jarring one. Garrosh Hellscream deliberately infests his men with the Sha in the belief that they'll somehow conquer the Sha and become stronger. When all of them succumb including his champion, he tells Anduin Wrynn (who had been trying to convince him what a bad idea it was) that he cost Garrosh a mighty warrior and almost kills him. Granted, he turns out to have some more successful attempts later, including his own right-hand man, Malkorok, and he himself ends up wielding the power of the Heart of Y'Shaarj itself.
- Anti-Mage, from DOTA 2 who is entirely based around... well, being good against mages, was an acolyte in a monastery in which the monks living within were killed by a legion of the undead. Anti-Mage's reaction? Not to declare war on the undead, but on all magic and every mage in the world. One wouldn't even know about his grudge against the undead if it weren't for a single offhanded line he says when killing the only Zombie-based hero in the game.
- In Dwarf Fortress, it's possible for you to convict a crime victim of the very crime committed upon them — for example, convicting the dwarf who has had his blood drained of draining his own blood. Your dwarves will actually be 'outraged at the bizarre conviction against all reason of the victim of a crime recently.' When you start looking among the world's events, you seriously have to question certain deities' reasons for letting a demon out of hell. Sure, the more evil gods of misery and blood might just want some more of it, gods of valor might want heroes to have something to destroy, but just about ANY god can do this for reasons concerning ANY part of their sphere, be it youth, knowledge, or rainbows. It's been documented at least one god did this after pondering the ineffable subtleties of fish. Perhaps the gods have their own Animal Wrongs Group up there...
- JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle: Josuke Higashikata's stand, Crazy Diamond, is able to return people and items to a previous state. For his level-2 Limit Break, he heals his opponent back to full health, reasoning that it would make for a fair fight, then proceeds to use Crazy Diamond to pummel the opponent like a punching bag.
- Many puzzles in McPixel require this to succeed. To put things in perspective, the first rule of playing this game is this: If the solution you have in mind makes sense, there's a 75% chance it's wrong. The remaining 25%? It works, but not in the way you were expecting it to. Although after a couple levels it's almost second nature.
- In Hyperdimension Neptunia V, Noire has this hilarious reason as to why Plutia should transform into Iris Heart. Take note, this is how the dialogue was said.
Noire: (Noire Logic) Plutia HDD -> we win -> Planeptune citizens see Sadie -> freak -> Lastation wins!
- Kid Icarus: Uprising: One of Hades' many uses of insane troll logic is to twist Pit saying how he doesn't want to get out of the Womb Level 'the old fashioned way' into meaning Pit hates life.
Hades: Unfortunately for you, there's only one way out!Pit: NOOOO no no no please don't do that!Hades: Obeying the call of nature is part of the cycle of life. Tell me, Pit, why do you hate life?
- In the text intro to Chapter 74 of Caribbean Hideaway Barley the pirate explains why a certain hideout is rather unimaginatively known as "The Cave."
Barley: Places with names tend t' get found. If it ain't got a name, it ain't a place; and if it ain't a place, it ain't gonna be found, ain't it?
- Alicia's breakdown in Valkyria Chronicles is basically this trope getting out of hand in the mind of one person. She decides she is an inhuman monster, and ultimately tries to kill herself. The girl she used to be is dead, and she can never live a normal life again because her only future is one as a killing machine, exploited for her powers. None of this is even slightly true.
- The Impossible Quiz has a bucketload of this. Half the questions run on insane troll logic, the other half run on no logic at all and must simply be solved through trial and error.
- In Dawn of War Evil Sorcerer Syndri kills a hapless cultist who brought the news of the advancing Space Marine army, explaining that the cultists was "stupid enough to personally deliver bad news to Lord Bale and we cannot abide stupidity". By that logic, had his desire been fulfilled and there had been no stupid cultist in their band, they would not have gotten the news at all and the Space Marines would've caught them off-guard. Of course, that's Chaos for you.
- A major part of the flash game Argument Champion consists of intertwining arbitrarily chosen audience likes and dislikes with equally arbitrary concepts, often relying on a word with two or more definitions. For example, you can construct a "logical" chain connecting REBELLION to CEILING. Of course, shorter chains that rely on less Chewbacca Defense reasoning get you more impressive opinion swings, but usually you'll find at least one.
- In Tropico 4, this is Sunny Flowers's reasoning behind wanting El Presidente to demolish all newspapers: "Did you know that paper is made from trees? Trees are your friends. Do you want to read the news on the corpses of your friends?"
- In Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals, Dekar had the brilliant idea of sewing his coat to his own shirt, just so he could take both of them off at the same time. Even better, he doesn't remember this until after he offers his coat to Tia when they're on a cold mountain.
- Fire Emblem Awakening has this from Cervantes:
Cervantes: I've not shaved since my very first battle. And have I ever lost? No! Not even once! Ergo, my moustache makes me invincible. It's science, my boy, science!
- Resident Evil 6: Simmons's idea of preventing a disaster that might have happened should the President make the truth behind the Raccoon City Incident public was to cause an actual disaster by infecting the entire city of Tall Oaks with the C-Virus, including the President himself, and then nuking it to cover his tracks. Leon and Helena even lampshade this.
- Fizzie from Sunset Overdrive employs this trope when trying to convince people to drink the soft drink Overcharge. At one point, he advises the Player Character to drink Overcharge while they're climbing a building because climbers need oxygen, Overcharge has carbon dioxide, and dioxide is twice the oxygen!
- The Narrator from The Stanley Parable uses this in the Confusion Ending to choose which of two doors to go through;
The Narrator: Okay, so I know that each door has to lead somewhere, which means that somewhere, the place where we're trying to go, there must be a reverse door that leads here, and that, in turn, means that our destination corresponds with that counterinverted reverse door's origin, so, starting from the right, let us ask: "Will taking the right door lead us to where we're going?" And since the answer is clearly "yes", then by all accounts, the door on the right is the correct one. Another victory for logic.
- The description of the Stone Mask in the 3DS remake of The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask is this. Putting on the mask allows Link to become as plain as a stone, so, the game reasons, since nobody pays attention to stones, you're practically invisible.
- A loading screen in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel! declares that Pangolin-manufactured shields must have the highest capacity because the Pangolin company only makes shields and thus 'must have more shield to fit into every shield'.
Loading screen: BAM! Logic!
- Used tragically in the climactic fight between the Children of Arkham's leader and Batman in Batman: The Telltale Series, should Batman decide to reveal his identity to keep Alfred safe. The only way that Arkham can reconcile the truth of Batman being Bruce Wayne is by framing it as Bruce simply looking to prey on the weak.
- Ace Attorney:
Edgeworth: Objection! Do you not see a problem with your statement just now?Courtney: I'm afraid I see no such problem.Edgeworth: Exactly. So if you fail to see the problem, then that must mean you fail to see the problem with accepting your logic! You're admitting that you can't comprehend your own logic?!Courtney: The only thing I fail to see here, is your point.Edgeworth: Nggh...! (Curses...! I guess I should have known that wouldn't work...)
- Phoenix Wright is fond of objecting first and thinking later and of grasping at straws and coming up with imaginative guesses, but he's usually too honest and reasonable to use actual troll logic. However, in one situation where he's desperate to keep the trial going as long as possible until the police complete the next phase of their investigation, we get this exchange:
Witness: He looked suspicious because he was walking through the hall in the hotel wearing black leather gloves.
Phoenix: Footballs are made of leather! Are you saying that all footballs are suspicious just because they're made out of leather?!
- Von Karma has a similar line of logic in the first game (this is the same guy who wanted to have his ATM PIN (0001) entered into evidence as "proof" that he's perfect):
Phoenix: He remembered the name of his fiance who committed suicide. That's why he named his parrot after her!
Von Karma: My granddaughter has a dog she calls "Phoenix." Well, Mr. Phoenix Wright? Does this make you my granddaughter's fiancee!?
- Another example from the third game involves a massive stone lantern with upside-down bloody writing on it. Gumshoe voices the results of his special Gumshoe investigation: At the time of the murder, the stone lantern was upside down.
- In Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, one of the witnesses devolves into this frequently, notably why he steals large panties (For Science!), and if you can actually keep up with his Motor Mouth Scrolling Text, he somehow manages to take the leap from discussing someone being shot "square in the forehead" to "krypton particles are rare" among other things.
- Phoenix will often break into this trope whenever the player answers a question wrong. Take this example from the DLC case of the fifth game:
Judge: And on what grounds do you base your assertion that the singing trick was faked?
Phoenix: Take That!
Judge: That item proves the singing trick was faked?
Phoenix: No, Your Honor. This piece of evidence will not prove that. In other words... this piece of evidence is... a fake-out! And if this evidence is a fake-out, then the singing trick was a fake-out as well!
Athena: Boss, I don't think that makes any sense...
Phoenix: Momentum is key at times like these.
Judge: I can hear every word you're saying, Mr. Wright!
- Edgeworth himself does this if you present wrong evidence in at a few parts in Investigations 2.
- Matt Engarde also proclaims that he never killed anyone, despite hiring an assassin to commit the case's murder for him, making him indirectly responsible. Either due to using Exact Words or his own warped belief in his own innocence, he actually manages to fool Phoenix's Magatama with this.
- In Turnabout Time Traveler, when Edgeworth protests that some scattered flower petals are hardly "meaningful" evidence, the Judge disagrees...because they're his wife's favorite flowers, and their relationship is VERY meaningful, so the petals must be, too. Phoenix is actually able to get a fair number of bluffs through by playing on this angle; since the trial centers around a wedding and Edgeworth is quite vocal about his desire to remain single, the Judge will usually agree with Phoenix due to Edgeworth 'not understanding romance'.
- Phoenix Wright is fond of objecting first and thinking later and of grasping at straws and coming up with imaginative guesses, but he's usually too honest and reasonable to use actual troll logic. However, in one situation where he's desperate to keep the trial going as long as possible until the police complete the next phase of their investigation, we get this exchange:
- In Umineko: When They Cry this is what Battler's strategy degenerates into when he's desperately grasping at straws, no matter how ridiculous, as a viable theory (as long as magic isn't involved of course); from "spike-launching devices" to "small bombs". Beatrice lets the more amusing ones pass, at least for the time. Dlanor uses her laws to cut them down abruptly and mercilessly.
- Dangan Ronpa:
- Cloudcuckoolander Hagakure delves into this from time to time. Perhaps the biggest example is when Kirigiri shows up after having believed to have been killed, and Hagakure refuses to believe that she isn't a ghost. The first part of the trial then consists of Naegi having to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kirigiri really is alive. While the person in question is standing right in front of them.
Hagakure: Wrong! That's clearly a ghost, right!?
Asahina: She has legs, though.
Hagakura: Um...that's probably because...it's the new ghost model they've been developing recently!
Togami: I thought there were limits to being an idiot.
- Monokuma is a less hilarious example. He traps the cast in a building, tells them that the only way out is to kill someone and get away with it, and then psychologically and emotionally tortures and blackmails them to make them desperate to get out enough to kill. Whenever anybody calls him on it, though, he claims that the students killing each other is entirely on them and it isn't his fault. But his worst use of Insane Troll Logic is unquestionably when he outright decides to plant a fake suicide note on the scene of a crime and when this is found out, he tries to claim that this act wasn't the same thing as planting false evidence or attempting to mislead anyone trying to find the killer. It turns out that particular instance was indeed a suicide, but not for the reasons Monokuma's fake note implied.
- Cloudcuckoolander Hagakure delves into this from time to time. Perhaps the biggest example is when Kirigiri shows up after having believed to have been killed, and Hagakure refuses to believe that she isn't a ghost. The first part of the trial then consists of Naegi having to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kirigiri really is alive. While the person in question is standing right in front of them.
- Com'c: Several characters do this, particularly John, who can prove that the speed of sound is 1 mph (~1.6 km/h).
- 8-Bit Theater:
- All of Red Mage's plans in run on this very logic. When stranded on an island, Thief quite accurately states that Red Mage's plan to get off the island would likely involve blowing up the island with them on it with the justification that they're no longer on the island anymore. While Red Mage's actual plan was much less dangerous, it did involve massive amounts of Evilutionary Biology for the Chocobos and a willingness to exploit his Mime ability beyond its actual usefulness.
- This quote of Red Mage's sums it up quite well.
RM: In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed!
- Just about everyone in 8-Bit Theater is either a liar, a cheat, or utterly stupid, if not all three, so conversations tend toward this. For example; In this comic, Red Mage explains how his plan to shoot down a visible sky castle, then repair it, in order to fly high enough to find the invisible sky castle "makes too little sense to fail."
Black Mage: Okay Red Mage, enlighten us. How can a plan that makes no sense work?
Red Mage: One simple reason: It makes too little sense to fail.
RM: Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped. The success or failure of any step will have no effect on the macro level.
BM: That's so stupid I can't even see straight anymore.
RM: Now imagine what'll happen when physics tries to figure it out!
BM: Seriously, this hurts.
- Black Mage isn't immune to this himself, either. Among other things, he justifies his penchant for extreme short-term planning on the grounds that since it's always now there is no long term and therefore he can't be screwed by it (shortly after being screwed by it), and his explanation for why he tore off the wings of a fairy in order to stick them on a baby's back and make a fake fairy managed to confuse even Red Mage.
- The Order of the Stick:
Elan: Woo! I'm invisible! You can't see me!
- Elan learned that Armor counts against Hide checks. This led him to the conclusion that going naked would make him invisible. Hilarity Ensued.
Roy: How I wish that were true...
Roy: It's like she's got that monk ability that lets you jump as far as you want, except with her, it applies to conclusions.
- This is also his reaction when Haley reverses the definitions of adventure and adventurer to make him feel better. Even Miko is weirded out by his brand of Insane Troll Logic.
- Miko uses troll logic from time to time, as lampshaded by Roy:
- Tsukiko's grounds for her conclusion that the undead are nice people. Her reasoning is that the living are bastards, so as the antithesis of life, the man-eating undead must actually be sweet, innocent, virtuous entities.
- The Empress of Blood knows that dragons get more powerful as they get bigger. However, she decided to make herself bigger by overeating. All this does is make her morbidly obese, but she still thinks it's working.
- This is also the basis for the dwarves' fear of trees. The vast majority of lighting strikes trees, sent by Thor is the god of lightning. Therefore, trees must be evil and/or Thor's sworn enemies. Thor wouldn't waste a perfectly good lightning bolt on a tree just for shits and giggles, right?? (Well, yes, actually he would. But he never told the dwarves that...)
- Shortpacked! has REALLY insane troll logic here. This is based on an actual troll on his blog (link)
- Joey's plan to sneak into his landlord's house in A Game of Fools has to be seen to be believed.
- Jim's truly spectacular plan to throw the Mos Espa podrace in Darths & Droids.
- Reginald from Nedroid has workout advice. Given that it's better to do fewer reps with more weight, is to take it to its logical conclusion and do zero reps of a million pounds.
- Used in The Non-Adventures of Wonderella here to con Jesus into... Insane Troll Logic stuff.
- Featured in "troll physics," a form of 4chan's /v/ board's MS Paint comics. For example, bread always lands butter-side down. Cats always land on their feet. Therefore, attaching a piece of buttered bread to a cat's back will result in Anti-gravity.
- Several characters in Ménage à 3 and its spinoffs have their moments of insanity. For example...
Yuki: He kissed another girl! How can he possibly do that when he doesn't even know that I might possibly be considering liking him?! Oh, right... All that stuff I just said...
- Being fairly flaky at the best of times, Yuki is especially prone, particularly when she's upset. She sometimes recognizes when she's being unreasonable, though it doesn't always stick:
- There are also Nathan's claims about his own sexuality, denying that he's at all gay despite starting each day out by having anal sex with one of his male subordinates.
- In El Goonish Shive, most of the characters seem to think that Tedd's explanation of the reason he maintains long hair is Insane Troll Logic. Oddly, it actually makes perfect sense. You see, Tedd looks very androgynous and would quite like to look more manly. But he keeps long hair anyway. If he cut his hair, he would look very slightly more manly but it would be obvious that the thing that makes him look so feminine is his actual face itself. If he keeps his hair in a really girly long hairstyle, then everyone at school with him assumes that he would look manly if not for his hair. But then Ted realizes that he's actually genderfluid and thus enjoys looking girly even when he's not using one of his Gender Bender devices to turn himself female.
- In Tales Of Zenith, Tam O'Shanter says that it's JFK's fault the Oklahoma City Courthouse was bombed. "JFK appointed his brother Attorney General. This got Congress so mad they passed a law that the president can't appoint any relatives to a cabinet position. This meant that Bill Clinton couldn't appoint his wife Attorney General, so when Waco happened, instead of Hillary talking it out with David Koresh, Janet Reno allowed the FBI to use tanks and tear gas, and people couldn't get out and died. As a result, Timothy McVeigh saw what happened and decided to blow up the Oklahoma City Courthouse. That's why it's JFK's fault, if he hadn't appointed his brother Attorney General, Hillary would have been able to be appointed, and she's too politically savvy to have made the mistake Janet Reno did."
- Real Life Comics depicts an instance that actually happened to creator Greg Dean in real life: He tried to order a Pepsi in a Dave and Buster's, but was refused because he wasn't of age to drink alcohol yet (despite his repeated protestations that Pepsi isn't alcoholic). This gets a Call-Back when Greg finally does hit the legal drinking age — the first thing he does is go back to D&B's and say "I want a freaking Pepsi."
- All over the place in Mountain Time. It even includes insane logic predicated on the past deaths of people who are still alive.
- The Whiteboard: According to Doc, he won't need a parachute when he next goes skydiving. He'll just bring along an extension cord or some welding leads, and it's an even bet that they'll snag on something before he lands.
- In Sinfest, Lil' Evil argues that Evilution -- the theory humans are descendents of Evil Monkeys -- must be true because Church people don't like it.
- From Homestuck:
- In one of the later chapters, Terezi attempts her hand at insane troll logic when she finds the corpses of her recently murdered friends. According to Terezi, there is no way that it could be anyone but Vriska. To rule out any discrepancies in her logic, she fabricates her own story in which Vriska murdered several trolls, then developed a taste for troll blood (which would explain the vampiric markings on the side of Feferi's neck). She gives up on trying to explain it, acknowledging that her explanation is stupid and unlikely. However, this doesn't change her mind at all about the culprit, logic be damned. She's not at her most sane by this point.
- Post-scratch Derse apparently has its own version of Serious Business (a social network). The first time we see it, a Dersite known as HATLIKER tells everyone that he accidentally sat on his favourite hat. What do the others suggest? Turning the hat upside-down and sit on it again to "unsit" on it.
- Early in Basic Instructions we had the redneck and Scott's own mother providing this. After Jenkins introduction, he became the poster child for using Insane Troll Logic to insist that he's right about everything. When Scott indulges in this himself, he pretty much hangs a lampshade on it by calling on Jenkins to support him.
- Nephilopolis in general runs on this in Dresden Codak, but the Department of Inquisition has a particularly fine line in it, concluding that something they just saw happen could not possibly have happened.
Head of Department: Science is about finding the most credible explanation, and since Gary has the highest credibility score, you are a weather balloon.
Gary: Dap. [Fist Bump with the "scientist" standing next to him]
- An infamous online commenter known as "Ken M" is notorious for either making statements so stupid that they often aggravate everyone else, or posts that seemingly seem normal requests but with an absurd punchline. The best part is how he actually gets company Facebook accounts to reply before trolling them.
Ken M: Then how come potato is latin for king of the peanuts
- In ElementGames's custom WWE 2K17 story, "Corporate John Cena," Ric Flair eventually invokes this via his Face–Heel Turn in favor of Cena's faction. The motive? Because The Undertaker refused to join Flair and choke-slammed him, which somehow ended up convincing him that all of the story's main Faces — not just 'Taker — are Ungrateful Bastards and inferior to Cena's faction — even though everyone else under Flair has been completely loyal regardless of 'Taker's Jerkass Ball moment, not to mention how Flair's had nothing but animosity with Cena up until now. Furthermore, since Flair's also the General Manager here, this eventually gets him into hot water with both Vince McMahon and the Board of Directors, thus overlapping with Didn't Think This Through.
- Nagato uses this fairly often in An Akatsuki's Life, to great success: During the Hangover arc, a talking cat explained to the Akatsuki that for understanding the events of the previous night, they had to follow the piglet's tail. Nagato's deciphering is as follows:
Nagato: Well, in some language "tail" means "cola", and a piglet is often called "coca". So the answer is "Follow the Coca-cola"
- Decker: During Port of Call: Hawaii, terrorists take over Hawaii while Decker is there. He tries to contact agent Kingston only to find out that he is also in Hawaii:
Decker: "You mean to tell me Agent Kingston is in Hawaii? That's where the terrorists are. Kingston's working with terrorism."
- In Jojos Bizarre Adventure Abridged, Joseph finally (not really) figures out the secret of Dio's Stand:
Joseph: Wait a minute... time! Kronos was the god of time in Greek mythology. Greece won the Euro Cup in 2004. George W. Bush was re-elected in 2004. George W. Bush was impersonated in Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay. Kal Penn is in Barack Obama's administration. Will Smith looks like Barack Obama. Will Smith's son is going to be in the next Karate Kid — oh my god I got it!!
- Played for laughs by LoadingReadyRun with Detective Riley, a recurring character who takes one look at a crime scene and uses free-associational logic to determine the culprit. Even though he's always right — the police have already reached the same conclusion through completely rational means.
Detective Riley: What have we here?Officer Rodriguez: A drug deal gone bad. Real bad.Riley: Well, the way I see it is this: the last ship that came into port here was the "Queen of Seville." Saint Isidore of Seville, patron saint of the Internet, born in 560 AD — the same year Ethelbert succeeded his father Iormic as King of Kent. Clark Kent, mild mannered reporter, patrols Metropolis as Superman, also known by his Kryptonian name Kal-el. The L Word, popular TV show about lesbians, and who doesn't like lesbians? I'll tell you who — your murderer, Jeff Greenwood, known to the police as Jeffy G.Rodriguez: That was fascinating, but... we kinda already knew that. Jeffy G admitted the whole thing on his YouTube channel this morning.Riley: Outstanding.
- Francis E. Dec had some severe problems with this.
zer0: On one hand, the Nazis did invade Poland to commit atrocities against its people, but on the other hand they also committed the same horrific acts against the Jews! Dec seemingly could not reconcile this conflict. Seeing as how he perceived the Jews as "in" on the conspiracy against him, he was unable to accept them as victims of the Nazi Holocaust. The result (...) was that his hatred and paranoia combined to meld his two most hated enemies together; resulting in a weird amalgamation between the two. The result? Nazi Jews, of course!
- He came to conclusion that Nazis were Jews. As explained by the author of the man's fanpage:
Francis E. Dec: Even the Slovenic days of the week were created by ASTROCISM namely Niedziela, Sunday trans. "no work", day of rest. Monday, Poniedziawek trans. "day after no work day", Wtorek, Tuesday trans. "second day", Sroda, Wednesday, trans. "middle day" of the week, Czwartek, Thursday, trans. "fourth day" of the week. Piatek, Friday, trans. "fifth day" of the week and Sobota, Saturday, trans. "sabbath day" to go to the Astrocism Temple.
- He also arrives at conclusion that Polish names of the week are the reminder of the time when Poland was not under the yoke of Computer God. How? Well:
- "Deceptive Deceptions". The fictional narrator "uncovers" an Ancient Conspiracy by tying together about two-and-a-half dozen people, companies, and organizations by truly nonsensical connections and flimsy associations. Case in point: John Candy.
- An "Extreme Anti-Smoking Ad" which basically says that smoking will eventually turn you into a Terminator.
""asdf" converted into Morse code is .- ... -.. ..-. If you take the .'s and convert them to 0's and take the -'s and convert them to 1's, you get the binary number of 010001000010, which is 1090 in decimal. The year 1090 just happens to be 2 years after Christodoulos of Patmos, supported by Emperor Alexius I Komnenos, founded the monastery of Saint John the Theologian on Patmos. Only * 4* years after the year 1090 AD... The First Crusade (1095-99) captured Jerusalem; and the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem begins. Now because the Crusade on Jerusalem happened only a short time after the crucial year 1090, we can convert the letters ASDF into the ancient Hebrew alphabet, and we get Aleph Vov Daled Samech (because of the differences in alphabets, these might not be accurate translations). We take the letters, and convert them into one word. Alephvovdaledsamech — which converted phonetically sounds like "A lef volv da leads a mech". We can then read these sounds into words, and we get "A left Volvo does leads a mech." Going further, we get "A left Volvo does lead the mechanics", or "A left Volvo does lead the mechanical industry". We can then read into it, that a "left Volvo", obviously a car made in a country where you drive on the left side of the road, will one day lead the mechanical, or automobile industry. Ford Motors Inc. must have found out about this information before I could disclose it to you — for they just bought Volvo. Ford is obviously trying to change this age-old Hebrew prophecy, and claim the automobile industry for themselves! You must rally the people! To the top of Mount Sinai! We shall stop them yet! ARMAGEDDON HAS BEGUN!!!!!
- Totalbiscuit uses troll logic in one of his many sponsored commercials for Squarespace:
Totalbiscuit: (Reading potential New Years Resolutions for his viewers):...Fix your terrible website. Aha! Now here's something that any idiot could do. "But Totalbiscuit!", you say, "I don't have a website." Oh, don't think you're getting out of this that easily. Zero is still a number, so your website, whether it exists or not, is still terrible. This logic is infallible, because it's based on mathematics, and mathematics can't be wrong. In a similar fashion, you can't go wrong with Squarespace-dot-com-slash-cooptional.
- From a truly epic post on one of GameFAQs's social boards, apparently talking about the origins of Winnie-the-Pooh:
Pooh backwards is Hoop. Like hula hoops, right?... Hula was invented in Hawaii. Hawaii was once part of an Asian country. Japan is in Asia... Japan was nuked. Microwaves also nuke... Microwave... Micro! Micro means very small, like the chances I have of getting a date. Date... A calendar often tells dates. Calendars also often have pictures. Mostly pictures of puppies. Puppies grow up to be dogs. Like hot dogs! The best hot dogs are found in New York. New York has the Yankees. The Yankees fought the Confederates. The Dukes of Hazzard had a Confederate flag on their car. Hazard... the word has a Z. Z's normally signify sleeping. Sleeping leads to dreams. In some dreams you're flying... flying like a plane. The Wright Brothers flew the first plane. And they were brothers. Like the show Band of Brothers. That series was about a war. And about WWII! WWII had Nazis. And Hitler. Hitler spelled backwards is Reltih, which makes no sense. Sense, like SPIDER SENSE. Spider-Man used spider sense to fight the Green Goblin. Green, green was the color used by Sailor Jupiter in that one cartoon. Jupiter... Jupiter has moons! Like Callisto. Callisto was also a gun in the game Perfect Dark. Dark... Moon... Jupiter? Winnie the Pooh is from the dark side of Jupiter's moon, Callisto!
- The best part may be how he gets this close to making a reasoning using World War II, evades it to go on a different tangent, and then goes back to WWII later on.
- This blog post figures out the true identity of Barack Obama: Cthulhu.
- Red vs. Blue:
- Used hilariously in Episode 2 of Revelation. Best of all, Simmons was not actually trying to send a coded message, yet Sarge is completely correct!
Grif: [after what appears to have been a completely ordinary radio conversation] Simmons sounded good. I guess he's got everything under control.
Sarge: Donut and Lopez are dead and Agent Washington has taken Simmons prisoner.
Grif: What?! Everything sounded fine to me!
Sarge: Think about it! How do you answer the radio at our base?
Grif: Thank you for calling Red Base, this is Private Grif, how may I assist you today.
Sarge: And we've drilled that since day one! Simmons answered "Hi." That was my first clue.
Grif: So maybe he's just ups—
Sarge: He also said that the radio was in disrepair. When does Lopez ever let something go without the proper maintenance?
Sarge: And look at the time.
Grif: Can't, clock's broken.
Sarge: It's 17:30! And everybody knows that 17:30 is...
Grif: Donut's daily wine and cheese hour!
Sarge: I didn't hear any tinkling glasses, did you?
Grif: You're right!
Sarge: He also mentioned that the weather was "rainier", and as we all know, Mt. Rainier is the biggest land mass in the state of... Washington!
Grif: We do? Uh, I mean, we do!
Sarge: How many Washingtons do we know?
Grif: Did he mean Agent Washington?
Sarge: And who's the biggest mass we know associated with Washington?
Grif: The Meta!
Sarge: So the Meta and Washington have teamed up to kill Donut and Lopez, and now they're holding Simmons and Doc prisoner.
Grif: We have to help them! Wait, Doc? How do you know he's there?
Sarge: Please, Grif, it's so obvious! I don't want to insult your intelligence by explaining every little detail.
- Caboose does this frequently.
Caboose: Time... line? Time is not made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round!
- Wash gets a moment of his own in episode 5 of season 10 when he and York first meet North's AI, Theta, and he concludes that it's weird for Theta to be small, yet somehow it's perfectly normal for York's AI Delta to be small... because Delta is green. In the words of York:
York: How does that even make sense?
- Used hilariously in Episode 2 of Revelation. Best of all, Simmons was not actually trying to send a coded message, yet Sarge is completely correct!
- None Piece: Zoro in Episode 4 while ranting with Buggy DEFINITELY counts.
*After Buggy has stabbed Zoro in the back*
Zoro: "DAMMIT! YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE!"
Zoro: "FUCK! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU! GOD!"
Buggy: "...You cut me into pieces."
Zoro: "I WAS FUCKING KIDDING! ...FUCK YOU! YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE!"
- The Nostalgia Critic:
- The critic uses this when he gets a friendly message from The Angry Video Game Nerd to find a hidden code. After ridiculous leaps of logic and cryptography that would make a Dan Brown protagonist proud, he concludes that it's absolutely nothing. Until viewed in a mirror, that is...
- Done to hilarious effect in Kickassia when the Nostalgia Critic is rallying the others to invade Molassia. He convinces his friends that they want to be like the Nazis right after condemning them for being like the Nazis.
- Later, Sage uses another variant of this when he comes to the conclusion that holding an Uzi makes you immortal, the reasoning being he's holding one right now and he's still alive. He also claimed smoking was not only healthy for you, but was highly recommended for pregnant women. Though that time he was just holding the chart upside down.
- Benzaie is French, which is the language of love. Therefore if you can't understand him, you can't understand love.
- The Angry Video Game Nerd delves into this in his review of Hong Kong 97; all of his lines of logic keep coming back to the number 97, and the Nerd wants to know why this keeps happening. The conclusion he reaches is that the game is the meaning of life, and life is reproduction and food, the latter of which becomes excrement. In other words, Hong Kong 97 is "fucking shit".
- From a post on the Doctor Who Forums, arguing that Vincent van Gogh is the Master in disguise:
1. van Gogh, as we discover in 'Vincent and the Doctor', is mad. The Master is also mad.
2. van Gogh was deeply unpopular with the local rubes. The Master was terribly charismatic and brilliant at manipulating local rubes to his advantage (cf. 'The Daemons'). If the Master were trying to hide his true nature, what better way than to appear deeply unpopular with the locals?
3. van Gogh could see the Krafayis when nobody else could see it. This is probably a Time Lord ability to see things nobody else can see.
4. Alternatively, a bio-upgrade of some sort given to him offscreen during 'The Mark of the Rani'.
5. No one can agree on the correct pronunciation of 'van Gogh'. Got to be an allusion to the many different names the Master has used throughout his career.
6. I seem to recall in one serial during the seventies the Master expressed an interest in painting.
7. The name 'Vincent van Gogh' is an anagram of 'Vincent van Gogh', the alias used by the Master in this story.
8. Tony Curran. Anthony Tony Ainley. Do I have to spell this out, people?
9. Being a man, he's definitely not Susan, Romana, the Rani or Rose, the only other possible candidates for a character in a Doctor Who story. Although there is a slim chance he is secretly the eighth Doctor, played by Paul McGann.
10. In one of the deleted scenes for this episode, van Gogh laughs maniacally and screams, 'I am the Master', before turning into the Master.
I believe the evidence is clear.
- Gaming news site Rock Paper Shotgun presents the facts about harmful gaming.
Nearly twice as many Americans own gun-displaying consoles than those who own the types of guns that require a license and paperwork to purchase. No such paperwork is necessary when buying an Xbox, and yet still teenagers will kill each other in the streets.
- The Angels & Demons abridged script provides several examples:
TOM HANKS looks up ILLUMINATI in the encyclopedia in the VATICAN'S SUPER SECRET LIBRARY.
TOM HANKS: Hmm, the word Illuminati first appears on page three of this book. Three... the third ninja turtle mentioned in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song is Raphael the first cardinal must be in Raphael's tomb!
TOM HANKS: Let's see here we're in a tomb. Tomb like Tombstone pizza, which is circular. Circular is the opposite of square.. of course! To Saint Peter's Square!
TOM HANKS: Condoms... condoms are sometimes called johnnies... John James was the architect that rebuilt St. Mary's Church of course, the third cardinal is in a church!
AYELET ZURER: WHY THE HELL IS THIS WORKING!?
AYELET ZURER: Wait let me try one. Okay, so this guy was chained up... chains are often used for construction work... the fourth cardinal is at a construction site!
TOM HANKS: What? Don't be stupid. The fourth element is water, so he's in a fountain.
- SydLexia explains that Duck Tales for the NES is impossible using Zeno's Paradox, then follows up by saying that he is omnipotent, then says he is not omnipotent, and finally concludes with the revelation that this reality is a gigantic lie.
- An intentional invocation of this is the Troll Physics/Troll Science meme. This consists of utilizing Insane Troll Logic for hilarious effects with science. The page there shows a lot of examples regarding Troll Science.
- A poster on Yahoo! Answers' infamous Religion & Spirituality forum once used the following argument to "prove" said forum was Satan
"Devil" spelled backwards is "lived". Does this mean Satan is now dead?Also, "devil" pronounced backwards is "livid". He must be pissed about being dead.And if you take "livid", drop the first and last letters, and convert what remains into a single symbol, you get M, who is James Bond's boss. As we know, the James Bond series was written by Ian Fleming, who is not to be confused with fellow writer Anne Fleming, who comes from Canada, which is also the name of an indie-folk-rock band, "band" being a word meaning "a belt, strap, or ring". And if you've won a belt in the ring, you're probably a wrestler, which is derived from a much more real sport that was very popular in ancient Greece, which sounds like "grease" which is a substance found in many fatty foods including chips, which are a key component in the manufacture of computers, the invention of which is attributed to Alan Turing (1912-1954). 1954 is when the first nuclear powered submarine was launched. It was called the Nautilus, named after the submarine driven my Captain Nemo, who was once played by James Mason. "Mason" is used as shorthand for "Freemason", which uses a draftsman's compass in their logo. Compass also refers to a navigational instrument which uses the earth's magnetic fields to point North, which is the opposite of South, which is where fried chicken comes from, "chicken" being slang for a kilogram of cocaine, which used to be used in the manufacture of Coca-Cola, makers of Sprite, a type of mythical water spirit, "spirit" being the root of the word "spirituality" as in "Religion & Spirituality", therefore R&S is Satan!
- In Death Note: The Abridged Series (kpts4tv), after learning his sister is in Los Angeles, Light worries about what might happen to her, having watched movies about what goes on in L.A. Mr. Yagami follows this train of "logic" and concludes that L.A. is going to get invaded by space aliens.
- In Wolfram Alpha it is explained why fire engines are red:
Because they have eight wheels and four people in them, and eight plus four make twelve, and there are twelve inches in a foot, and one foot is a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was also a ship, and ships sail seas, and in the seas are fish, and fish have fins, and Finns fought the Russians, and the Russians are red. That is why the fire engines are red.
- Code MENT, like most Abridged Series, lives on this.
C.C.: You're a whole new level of stupid.Lelouch: Ah, but who is more stupid? A person trying to kill themselves, or a person trying to kill a person trying to kill themselves?!C.C.: ...Lelouch: Yeah, that's what I thought.
- Ultra Fast Pony:
Rainbow: I wanna look like my parents.
- Rarity is making dresses for her friends, and asks Rainbow Dash what she wants her dress to look like:
Rarity: Well, what do they look like?
Rainbow: I dunno? I was dead before they were born.
Rarity: Wait. You were dead before they were born?
Rainbow: Obviously, if they haven't been born yet, then I must still be dead? Duh.
Rarity: That's a... interesting ideology.
Rainbow: Ideology? I'm not Buddhist.
Rarity: I own those clothes. You are wearing my clothes. According to proper logic, I own you, so no running away or anything.
- As Fluttershy is modeling one of Rarity's dresses:
- Used in Ducktalez 6 to figure out Quackerjack's plan, as a reference to the 60's Batman series.
- The Rap Critic calls this out in one of his "Worst Lyrics I've Ever Heard" videos.
Ace Hood: You fall in love with all these bitches that's a no-no! You pillow talking with these hoes, you's a homo!Rap Critic: Really now? So talking to a woman is what qualifies you as gay.
Rap Critic: (in bed) Oh my god, baby, I have to tell you, that was some of the best-RC (as a woman) Oh my god, my boyfriend's gay!RC: (as Ace Hood) HOMO!!! The only three words you should say to a woman in bed after sex are "where's", "my", and "sandwich"!
- Cue a skit illustrating the ridiculousness of this.
- What If?: Spelling out what is admitted up-front to be "wild ballpark calculations" for "A Mole of Moles" comes off sounding like this despite being perfectly sound (albeit mathematically flawed) reasoning.
I can pick up a mole (animal) and throw it. Anything I can throw weighs one pound. One pound is one kilogram. The number 602,214,129,000,000,000,000,000 looks about twice as long as a trillion, which means it's about a trillion trillion. I happen to remember that a trillion trillion kilograms is how much a planet weighs.
- Jayuzumi encounters a gamer and trolling victim by the name of "cider dude" during the "Bad Violin Trolling" episode, who uses this against him. Whereas the more Genre Savvy players opt to mute Jay immediately for his annoying behaviour, cider dude reasons that it would be better to leave him unmuted and file an official complaint against him, reasoning that a system so huge naturally would respond to him instantly and automatically rule in his favour. All the while, cider dude gets more annoyed and finally starts shouting at the top of his lungs, clearly outraged that his way of thinking isn't working as he hoped.
- Cook St Productions' Pitch Perfect 237, which as the title would suggest, parodies Room 237 (and theories about "hidden messages" in pop culture in general) by using free association to prove that Pitch Perfect is about 9/11. Along the way, the narrator also makes the offhand claim that actor/singer Harry Connick Jr. is responsible for the terrorist attacks because his birthday falls on September 11th.
- According to Something Awful's "The Learning Triangle," copper is made of circles, which is a lie because the Earth is not round, while triangles make up all other elements as well as mountains and are proof of Jesus.
- Memetic Mutation example: MLG montage parodies have taken a fondness to this sort of reasoning as proof of The Illuminati, often on no greater evidence than a simple triangle shape. Behold.
- Feeding The Trolls, as is obvious by the title, deals with a lot of these arguments in the videos covered, but even then some truly special arguments like "Because I don't masturbate, I can literally get away with murder" and "Halloween is a new age liberal atheist communist Illuminati plot to promote communism, devil worship and Big Government" and "The Sun revolves around the Earth because if you wind up an old-fashioned clock, the key spins, and if you hold it by the key, the clock spins. But either way, that key is spinning" pop out on occasion.
- This claims that God killed the dinosaurs because they were engaging in homosexual activity. Yeah. NSFW for picture of mating tyrannosaurs.
- In The Abridged Series Scootertrix the Abridged:
Twilight: Applejack! There are apples on your flank! The word "apple" is in your name! You're growing apples!Applejack: Oh, no, Twilight. No, you see, my name's just a bad joke.Twilight: What?Applejack: No, really, it's a pun. Listen: maaaaaaaango. Maaaangoooooooo—Twilight: Shut up!Applejack: No, it's not a pun, it's something else.
- In episode 4, Applejack goes to crazy lengths to insist she's growing mangoes, not apples.
Pinkie: Well, maybe it's some sort of an... illusion. You know, this one time I thought these trees were llamas, but instead they were just high-powered attorneys.Spike: Wow, I... I don't know what to say to that.
- Pinkie, of all ponies, indulges in this in episode 13, when trying to explain the disappearing/reappearing racer stickers:
- The Youtube Channel "Spirit Science" is rather infamous for this. He claims that Atlantis was destroyed by martians, that Jews were time-travelling aliens, that the fact that there are no records about Akhenaten's family means he was conceived immaticulately, that under the sphinx is a giant underground city, which was not unveiled to the public because paramount pictures did not have enough money, that a woman in South America used her spirit energy to take a spaceship out of the pyramid to fight grey aliens and many more claims, and that the story of the exodus in The Bible becomes more believable when people think that the Hebrews came from space.
- In Young Justice Abridged Episode 11 Part 2, Deathstroke is searching for the Lazarus Pit. He deduces that they are on the coast of England by thinking about coconuts, which grow on islands, and Australia is an island where Deathstroke was from when he was on that island with Oliver Queen, and Australia was populated by England's criminals. However, coconuts aren't indigenous to England and must be brought by swallows which stop to rest on the ocean so therefore the pit is off the coast of England.
- In Harvey Rothman's "Foxy Gets Hooked", when Foxy switches to his "pirate" mode, we get to see inside Freddy's brain. We see "Foxy = Pirate" and "Pirate = Mutiny". The two "Pirate"s meld together and disappear, leaving "Foxy = Mutiny". Freddy assumes that Foxy is going to betray him and gets mad at him.
- A commenter on this Not Always Right story suggests that the reason the customer came to the conclusion that the small drink was bigger than the large was because nothing is bigger than the large and the small is bigger than nothing.
- From A Slap On Titan: Carla Yeager was a prostitute and slept with Hannes. Eren wants revenge on the Titans because if they didn't invade Wall Maria she wouldn't have slept with Hannes (and everyone else) years ago. Therefore, it's the Titans' fault.
Eren: "GOD DAMMIT, HANNEEEEEEES!!!"
- Welcome to Night Vale: Night Vale runs on this trope. For example, the reason they are fighting the Blood Space War, as explained in "Lost In The Mail", is because they believe that if the war ends, then the war will never end, and therefore they have to continue it forever so that it might one day end.
- Beavis and Butt-Head are frequently prone to this. Given their complete idiocy though, it's practically a given. One hilarious example is in "Sexual Harassment" where they sue a girl for sexual harassment. They think she is harassing them because she gave them erections for being so hot.
- Bojack Horseman: Todd often lapses into this when trying to figure something out. He generally arrives at the correct conclusion, even though he goes through an ADD free association exercise to get there.
- In the first episode of The Critic:
- The Simpsons:
- In the episode "The Monkey Suit", creationists seeking to ban the teaching of evolution succeed by getting a scientist to testify in court that evolution is a myth — a scientist with a degree in "Truthology" from "Christian Tech". It's a shot at "doctors" like Kent Hovind and Carl Baugh. Both of which got their doctorate degrees the old fashioned way, by buying them.
- In an earlier episode, "Much Apu About Nothing", an isolated incident involving a bear wandering into Springfield is responded to by the creation of a multi-million dollar "Bear Patrol". When Homer states that the organization is stopping bears from coming into town, Lisa compares his logic to claiming that the ordinary rock she's holding is a potent tiger repellent, since there aren't any tigers around. Homer, naturally, offers to buy the rock.
- Another funny example is in "Bart The Murderer", where Fat Tony "explains" to Bart how hijacking a truckload of cigarettes isn't wrong.
Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Fat Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.
- "If God wanted us to be vegetarians, He wouldn't have made animals out of meat!"
- In "And Maggie Makes Three" when Bart and Lisa are talking about what gender the new baby (Maggie) will turn out to be:
Lisa: I hope it's a girl.
Bart: You know nothing about genetics, Lis: it goes boy note , girl note , boy note , girl.
- In "The Way We Was":
Mrs. B.: This year's topic is `Resolved: The national speed limit should be lowered to 55 miles per hour.'!
Homer: 55? That's ridiculous! Sure, it'll save a few lives, but millions will be late!
- Earlier in the same episode:
Barney: Hey, Homer, you're late for English!
Homer: Pffft, English. Who needs that. I'm never going to England.
- Earlier in the same episode:
- Yet another example comes from "The Great Money Caper". When Homer abandons Bart at the marina after an unfruitful attempt at street magic performance, passersby take pity on him and fill his magic hat with cash. Bart arrives back home later to an amazed Homer, who wonders if Bart could try it again:
Homer: We could make a fortune!
Bart: But wouldn't that make us con artists?
Homer: Well, yeah, but... God conned me out of sixty-five hundred bucks in car repairs.
Bart: So, in a way, we'd just be balancing out the universe.
Homer: There you go! We'd be stealing from people we know! It's just like the seasons!
- "But, Lisa, if we start conserving, the environmentalists win!"
- During a snowstorm, Homer mocks Lisa's belief in global warming, and she says global warming can have this result. (This, by the way, is why 'climate change' is the preferred term now.)
Homer: I see. So you’re saying warming makes it colder. Well, aren’t you the queen of crazy land! Everything’s the opposite of everything!
- A flashback scene in "Homer the Great" showed that when Homer was a kid, the other kids in the neighborhood named their club the "No Homers Club" just so he couldn't join. But they let Homer Glumglitch join, claiming that "no Homers" meant plural; they could have one. (Kids Are Cruel and bad at grammar, it seems.)
- In "Bart on the Road":
Lisa: No thanks. Don't you have any fruit?
Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit.
- In "Lard of the Dance" where Homer buys bacon to get its grease to sell:
Bart: You're spending more money on bacon than you're getting for the grease.
Homer: Yeah, but your mother pays for the bacon.
Bart: Doesn't she get her money from you?
Homer: And I get my money from grease. What's the problem?
- In "The Mansion Family" the family are hired to watch Mr. Burns' house whilst he's away; Burns' rationale for choosing Homer for the job:
Burns: Who's that fellow who always screws up and creates havoc?
Smithers: Homer Simpson, sir? [He indicates a CCTV screen which shows Homer enter his workstation and begin sawing through the console for no apparent reason]
Burns: Yes. The way I see it, he's due for a good performance!
- And for a dose of Genius Bonus, it also succinctly points out the inherent insane troll logic in the so-called "Law of Averages".
- In "Bart's Comet": After the comet fails to hit Springfield and burns up in the polluted atmosphere, Moe blames the observatory for the cause of the approaching comet. "Let's go burn down the observatory so this'll never happen again."
- In "Bart Gets An Elephant" Homer considers selling Stampy the Elephant to an ivory dealer. He tells a worried Lisa that someone with lots of ivory is less likely to harm Stampy than one whose ivory supplies are low.
- In "Homer at the Bat", Chief Wiggum arrests Steve Sax for every unsolved murder in New York solely on the basis that Steve Sax is a New Yorker.
- South Park:
- In "Child Abduction Is Not Funny", the South Park parents grow increasingly afraid of their children being kidnapped, to the point that when they learn that most children get abducted by one of their parents, they start fearing that THEY will abduct their children. Therefore, they send them away to live in the woods, and they join some Mongolians tearing down the wall the parents made the Chinese guy build.
- In "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" Cartman uses this to blame Kyle for 9/11: 11 has two 1's, 1 + 1 = 2, if you add 9 and 2, you get 92 which is how much Kyle got on a spelling test shortly after 9/11. Therefore, Kyle planned 9/11.note Most likely intended to parody The Number 23. The entire movie is composed of such calculations.
- In "Dances With Smurfs" Cartman uses Glenn Beck's method of choosing a bunch of keywords, taking the first letter of each and using them to spell something out. Keywords he associates with Wendy are Integrated, Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Modern, Utopian, Reformed, Farce and School. Therefore, Wendy Testaburger wants to KILL SMURFS. Which is extremely ironic once you remember that "SMURF" itself has been proposed to be an acronym for Soviet Men Under Red Father. So, in short, Wendy's a leftist for wanting to kill Communists!
- In "Cancelled", there is a scientist who correctly determines what he should do in a given situation using association gone so far it delves straight into Insane Troll Logic. This is presumably inspired by heavily exaggerating the Eureka Moment Jeff Goldblum's character has in Independence Day and running with it.
- In "Fatbeard", in order to convince Butters to run away to Somalia with him to become pirates Cartman reminded him how horrible his life in South Park was, namely how he was harassed and ridiculed in school daily... mostly by Cartman.
- And of course, "Chef Aid":
Johnnie Cochran: ...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
- "A History Channel Thanksgiving" parodies the ITL of the aforementioned Ancient Aliens.
- Cartman relies on drinking Mountain Dew in order to stay awake and not die of boredom during "I Should Never Have Gone Ziplining". This combined with his usual diet causes all kinds of bowel mishaps. When he resorts to drinking "Double Dew", a drink with twice the caffeine and sugar as regular Mountain Dew, Kyle points out the aforementioned harmful effects. Cartman points out that what he's drinking is actually Diet Double Dew, with only half the caffeine and sugar as regular Double Dew. Which, if you "dew the math", means he's drinking regular Mountain Dew.
- "Goobacks": People from a Bad Future replacing everyone at their jobs because they work for pretty much no pay? Obviously, the logical choice of action is to start a protest wherein men publicly jump on a huge pile of testosterone and attempt to convince as many men as possible to become homosexual so as to destroy humanity's future and prevent the future immigrants from existing in the first place.
- Aqua Teen Hunger Force:
Frylock (using his scanning device): The call is coming from inside that school bus!
- Master Shake uses this quite often throughout the series. One notable example is when he decided that the bus outside of the Aqua Teens' house was possessed by the ghost of Dracula. When Frylock disputes this by pointing out that it's 2:00 in the afternoon, Shake then claims that the bus is a "reverse vampire."
Shake: Inside the bus? It is the bus! The bus of the undead! Vampires!
Frylock: I'm not detecting any vampiritic activity. Besides, it's 2 o' clock in the afternoon.
Shake: It's... it's a reverse vampire! They crave the sun! Love it. They love to get tans.
Frylock: Really? And where do they come from?
Shake: Uh... Tansylvania?
Frylock: Oh, no. No, no, no way in the world!
Shake: See the wheels? Those are the markings.
Frylock: Where do you get this stuff?
- Other characters also rely on Insane Troll Logic, including Carl, Meatwad, the Mooninites, the Plutonians — even the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past From the Future. Basically, all of the main and recurring characters except for Frylock (and even he's not completely immune).
- MC Pee Pants also deserves a special mention. In his first appearance as a giant spider wearing a diaper, he creates a rap CD that induces an intense desire in the listener to eat candy. After giving the listeners directions in the rap to an abandoned warehouse where they can supposedly get said candy, he lies in wait and then straps them into chairs in order to use their brain energy to power a giant drill. This is so that he can drill down into Hell and release demons to start a pyramid scheme involving diet pills. His subsequent plans in later episodes are just as insane...
- His scheme to make a rap CD and then release it exclusively in Transylvania (Meatwad had to import a copy) so that a vampire fan would come to bite him and make him a vampire actually worked. But then he stepped out in the sunlight.
- An episode of Metalocalypse has the members of Dethklok worried about upcoming medical tests. They decide to detox by drinking bleach.
Nathan: Bleach is mostly water. We're mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender:
- The villagers who tried Aang for his past life Kyoshi's involvement in the death of their great leadernote used logic that failed so badly and was basically just, "We feel this way, so there." that the only way the episode could end was by them just getting over it (of course she actually was guilty, but that's neither here nor there).
- Notably the entire justice system of the town is tailored to fit Insane Troll Logic, with the biggest issue for the Gaang being that the defendant may not submit evidence to prove their innocence, reducing the whole trial to they-say-I-say against a jury made entirely of people raised in the town that believe in the defendant's guilt. Notably when Aang is in jail, everyone in there is a perfectly reasonable person, suggesting the system really is just that messed up.
- Sentencing was the job of a game of "Wheel of Fortune". At the end of the episode, there's a new festival, where they eat little Aangs made of raw dough to symbolize how they commuted sentencing (boiled in hot oil, in this case) in favor of convincing the Avatar to save their sorry skins. The settlement is proclaimed to have been the worst town they have ever been to.
- Family Guy:
- In "No Meals on Wheels" Peter proves that (in his words) "cripples aren't cool". His favorite actor, Mark Harmon, doesn't need a wheelchair. Mark Harmon is cool. Therefore people who need wheelchairs aren't cool and shouldn't be allowed in his restaurant.
- Lois explaining to Chris in "Excellence in Broadcasting" that everything Fox News reports on is a lie. Even if it's true, it instantly becomes a lie if Fox News mentions it. Note that this is used to explain away the earlier revelation that Rush Limbaugh and Fred Savage were the same person, something Lois herself discovered and reported on for Fox.
- In "New Kidney in Town", Peter tries making his own Red Bull, and uses mostly kerosene, reasoning that Red Bull and kerosene are both fuel, so kerosene equals Red Bull. When Brian points out the sheer insanity of this and the fact that the drink will probably kill Peter, Peter responds with "Brian, whatever kills me makes me stronger". Peter came to the conclusion that putting jet fuel in his pickup truck would make it fly.
- In "Baby Not on Board" Lois, in a fit of rage, exclaims, "Sometimes I feel like I'm married to a child!". Peter replies that if she's married to a child, then she's a pedophile, and that he'll be damned if he'll stand there and be lectured by a pervert.
- In "Screwed the Pooch" when Brian is fighting for custody of (what he thinks are) his puppies:
Lawyer: Mr. Griffin, which of the following two phrases best describes Brian Griffin: Problem Drinker or African-American Haberdasher?
Peter: Uh, do I-I guess problem drinker, but that's uh-
Lawyer: Thank you. Now: Sexual deviant or magic picture that if you stare at it long enough, you see something?
Peter: Well, sexual deviant, but that other one's not even, eh-
Lawyer: Thank you.
- "Who cares what you think, you're a dog. You can't see colors, which means you can't see the colors of the American flag. Commie."
- A Running Gag in the series combines this with Paper-Thin Disguise in that a character (Peter and Mort) pretends to be something they're not (Peter pretending to be a cowboy astronaut to impress his high school classmates at a reunion, and Mort disguising himself as a Catholic Priest to get through Nazi Germany unhindered), and the disguise is blown all because some normally easily-removed article of clothing is...well, easily removed. (Peter's cowboy hat, and Mort's priest collar)
- In "Road to Germany", Mort is exposed when a real priest walks up, and the Gestapo officer looks confused and says "What? TWO Priests?!" — as if there can't possibly be more than one priest in any one spot.
- In "PTV", the FCC has a meeting over an incident where someone's genitals were exposed on live TV. One of the men in the meeting says they received twenty calls complaining about the event and goes on to say that one person equals a billion people. Therefore, twenty callers equals twenty billion people. This is ignoring the fact that the world doesn't even have that many people.
- In "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven", Brian's argument for atheism basically amounts to "Meg is ugly and her family are jerks, therefore God doesn't exist".
- In "Quagmire's Mom", Peter tries to proclaim Quagmire's innocence by claiming that he was born on February 29th and therefore, he's only 12 and therefore he was the one who was raped and not the underaged girl he slept with.
- As with the Batman examples above, the Super Friends' dealings with the Riddler when he joined the Legion of Doom involved this trope. In any of these situations, it's difficult to be sure which is worse: that the Riddler could come up with this nonsense or that the heroes could figure it out?
- In another example, two of the Super Friends go back in time and get stuck there with no way to return. Aquaman, the genius that he is, walks to the exact location of where the Hall of Justice will be tens of thousands of years in the future. When he gets there, he takes out his communicator and turns on the homing beacon, then buries the communicator. Why? The communicator will appear in the future. Superman will be able to hear it and will know what it means, then go back in time to rescue them. Which would work if carbon dating had been invented and if the communicator (already shown to be nigh indestructible) had enough carbon to be dated successfully and enough battery to last all that time. When digging the foundation for the Hall of Justice, it would be found. A few time-hops (a few dozen probably to get the date right), and then young Supes would come up, ask when in time they wanted to go, and voila. It's bad when you can make these things work easily.
- Xiaolin Showdown:
- In one episode, Omi found himself stuck in the past, so he went to where he knew Wuya's palace would be built, and actually froze himself using the Shen Gong Wu he had so that he could take a 5,000-year nap and be woken up in his own time, underneath the palace, after it had been built. (And the plan actually worked.) This is also an example of an Artistic License, and perhaps Cartoon Physics.
- Near the end of the series, Omi decides to use a time travel Shen Gong Wu to go back in time and prevent Chase Young from turning evil. The problem: Omi's future self took said Wu with him to the future for safe keeping. Omi's solution: freeze him self with the same Wu as last time, hook up a Wu that shoots energy blasts to a timer set for fifty years, wake up, and get the time travel Wu from future!Omi. Naturally, this results in a Bad Future where Jack Spicer beats the monks and other villains, and rules the world unopposed. Lampshaded by future!Clay and future!Raimondo.
- In an episode of The Fairly OddParents!, Crocker thinks that Timmy loaned his fairy godparents to Tootie. He's right, but he's suspicious not because the entire town of Dimmsdale is celebrating her birthday, but because her cake has real buttercream icing. Come to think of it, the same could be said for a lot of situations that make Crocker think Timmy has fairies. Crocker once had an argument with Steven Hawking about basic addition, which ended up with Hawking proving that 2+2=5. From the end of the episode: "Hawking! I've done the math! Two plus two isn't five! It's SIX!!! SIIIIIX!!!"
- Looney Tunes
- In "Roughly Squeaking", mice Hubie and Bertie convince Claude the cat that he's actually a lion (and that the bulldog outside is a pelican). Hubie's logic; "A lion is a member of the cat family, so that means that a cat is a member of the lion family!"
- After being pelted by a snowball, the villain of the episode ask Bugs Bunny how he can make snowballs in the summer. Bugs responds with, "It's too cold to make them in the winter".
- Malory degenerates into this sometimes. For example:
Archer: That wasn't her fault! Who puts Oxycontin in a Xanax bottle?
Malory: People with servants! Idiot.
Archer: But if they're stealing pills, how does it help to switch the labels?
Malory: Because they can't read English!
Archer: (laughing) Okay... I'm gonna go, and leave you to rethink that whole train of reasoning.
- Or this gem in "Diversity Hire:"
Malory: Lana Kane, just because you're not the only black field agent...
Lana: Hey! That's not...
Malory: "Urban," whatever. You come in here and accuse Conway of...what, exactly?
Lana: OK, I can't prove anything right now, but that's -
Malory: ...but that didn't stop J. Edna Hoover from prosecuting Martin Luther King, now did it?
Lana: What does that have to do with...wait, "J. Edna?"
Malory: You never heard? That J. Edgar Hoover was this huge crossdressing chickenhawk?
Lana: I had not.
Malory: Well, that's exactly the kind of slanderous and unsubstantiated rumor that I will not tolerate at ISIS. Think about THAT while you're on suspension!
Lana: While I'm on what?
Malory: What are you, deaf and racist?
Lana: I'm black!
Malory: Oh, put it back in the deck.
- Malory degenerates into this sometimes. For example:
- An episode of Johnny Bravo parodied the Batman-style logic with an Adam Westing Adam West, helping Johnny look for his missing mother.
Adam West: (reading fortune cookie) "Your heart's afire"...hmm, that rhymes with "tarts on a wire", which in turn sounds like "carts for hire"...Billy, your Momma's at the golf course!
- Histeria!: What's the World's Oldest Woman's reasoning that the egg came before the chicken? Because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch, naturally.
- Futurama has its fair share.
Morgan Proctor: Why isn't this jacket in alphabetical order?
Morgan: The zipper. It should be at the bottom.
Waterfall Sr.: Now, now, no applause. Every time you clap your hands, you kill thousands of spores, which will someday form into nutritious fungus. Just show your appreciation with a mold-friendly thumbs-up.(Members of Penguins, Unlimited do so with awkward grins)Waterfall, Sr.: Please, hold your thumbs til the end.
- And then there's this little saying:
Fry: Thanks to denial, I'm immortal.
- Farnsworth has a nefarious habit of this as well. Given that he's Fry's descended nephew, it makes sense. To him, having his crew being sent on tedious and life-threatening suicide missions is "good news (everyone!)". When they are finally given a break at the beginning of "The Sting" by not having to go on the very mission that killed the previous Planet Express crew, Farnsworth tells them "Bad news, everyone! You're not good enough to go on our next mission!"
- The whole Waterfall family, implementing this with Hypocritical Humor. Free Waterfall, Sr. is this Up to Eleven:
Bender: Oh, how I wish I could believe or understand that!
- Zap Brannigan can be so dumb, he even confuses himself with his troll logic. In "Brannigan, Begin Again", he accuses Leela of plotting to assassinate the Yarn People of Nylon 4 with giant novelty scissors, gloating that, "you made one mistake, rock, smashes scissors! But... paper covers rock... And scissors cuts paper...." After failing to figure that out, he tells Kiff to bring them onboard his ship and frisk them for paper.
- In "Bendless Love", Bender suspects girlfriend Anglelyne of harboring feelings for her ex, Flexo, a bending model robot that looks almost exactly like Bender. Bender disguises himself as Flexo and seduces Anglelyne using some decidedly un-Flexo-like moves, then reveals the ruse and angrily accuses her of loving Flexo so much that she even loves "anyone pretending to be him." She replies that maybe she just loves Bender so much that she'll love him no matter who he's pretending to be.
- And then there's this little saying:
- This happens in the episode "Go Fish" from The Penguins of Madagascar. It all starts out fairly normally (considering the source) with King Julien and Skipper claiming that they somehow managed to out-think the other, when Skipper has this gem: "But what you didn't see coming is that I am actually you!" and he pulls off a penguin costume to reveal that he is Julien. Julien counters with "But if you are me, then by processing of elimination, I must be you!" and pulls off a costume to reveal that he's Skipper. The other characters are appropriately baffled by the exchange.
- In Beast Machines, this is the basis of Obsidian and Strika's My Master / Country Right Or Wrong attitude. Their loyalty is to Cybertron first and foremost, and according to them, whoever is ruling Cybertron is Cybertron, so they'll follow that person without question. Their fellow Vehicon Thrust eventually calls them on this:
"If you're loyal to everybody, can you really be loyal to anybody?"
- My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic:
Pinkie Pie: A cup of flour...
- In "MMMystery on the Friendship Express", Pinkie Pie makes wild assumptions that the other three bakers were responsible for eating her cake, skipping the part where you give reasons to your conclusions entirely. Twilight quickly points out that each of her claims were ridiculous.
- In "Applebuck Season", a sleep-deprived Applejack uses this to justify all the ways she mishears Pinkie Pie's list of ingredients for the muffins they're making.
Applejack: "A cup o' sour?" Well, lemons are sure sour...
- Rainbow Dash has had this on occasions. First when Rarity asked her how to make a dress, she wanted her to make it twenty percent cooler. Another instance we have her wanting to choose a pet, and she lists "coolness, awesomeness, and radicalness" as three different categories, and of course she never explains the difference.
- Twilight Sparkle, while normally logical and calculating, has fallen to this a few times, most notably when she's trying to impress Princess Celestia. In "Lesson Zero," Twilight is about to miss sending the princess her weekly letter. Twilight responds that if she misses one assignment, the princess will think Twilight is not taking her studies seriously, and give her a test. If Twilight fails the test, she'll be sent back a grade. But because of how much she failed, she'll be sent to magic kindergarten. Therefore, missing any assignment will cause Twilight to go back to kindergarten.
- In "Equestria Games", when the torch seemingly lights up on its own, Spike concludes he must have lit it with his mind.
- In My Little Pony Tales, Patch exhibits this in "Who's Responsible?"
Patch: Anyone who makes schoolbooks can't be completely on the up-and-up.Sweetheart: What?! But I like school.Patch: See? They've even got you brainwashed.
- Stroker and Hoop played with this a lot, but most memorably with a cult of cannibals who's philosophy is "You are what you eat".
Cultists: Eat a person, be a person...
Stroker: So wait, your philosophy is you are what you eat, right?
Cult Leader: Yes.
Stroker: So, if I eat a hamburger, then I'm a hamburger, right?
Cult Leader: Yes.
Stroker: And then...if you eat me, you're hamburgers too, right?
Cult Leader: ...
- Regular Show In the episode "House rules" Mordecai and Rigby follow the 'No Rules Man' into a dimension where there are no rules, so anything is possible. When they find themselves getting lynched by the other occupants, Mordecai uses Benson's house rules to save them because apparently there's no rule against it.
Mordecai: Yo! No Rules Guy! You do have at least one rule down here. You have a rule against rules.No Rules Man: There's no rule against rules.Mordecai: That's all I needed to hear.
- The Amazing World of Gumball is riddled with it.
Gumball: Hmmm...Petals. It's a clue!
- In "The Picnic" Gumball reasons that, because everything (including food) is made up "circles with circles around them" (atoms), a rock is the same as a chicken nugget.
- In "The Meddler" Gumball reasons that by joining the cheerleading squad, he'll impress Penny with his masculinity and outperform her in the competition to make her love him.
- The donut officer looks at something disturbing or a suspected crime scene, then at something else that looks dangerous, then at the only person conscious and treats them with unreasonable hostility. Despite having no knowledge of anything or no evidence.
- In "The Spoon" he looks at a knocked out Darwin and Gumball, then Nicole, then a sausage and assumes she hurt them.
- In "The Sock" he looks at Gumball and Darwin, then the filing cabinet, then a phone, and assumes they're responsible.
- In "The Spoon", Richard has to get a gift for Nicole's birthday, but can't because he has to watch the kids. So he decides to send his two sons Gumball and Darwin to get it since, as kids, they don't have to watch the kids. Anais responds by facepalming.
- In "The Bet" when Principal Brown takes Gumball and Darwin to his office for using Bobert to mess with the school nurse, Gumball argues that what Principal Brown is doing is a violation of the First Amendment, to which Brown lets Gumball know that he's completely wrong.
- In "The Finale", the Watersons are sued and thrown in jail for the trail of carnage they left behind during all the season's antics. They try to invoke Status Quo Is God by maliciously leveling the entire town "So everyone forgets like they normally do". It doesn't work and the episode ends with the enraged citizens moving in to kill them. Though since this wasn't the end of the series, it apparently worked somehow.
- "The Petals" has a great example when Gumball and Darwin try and find Leslie.
Darwin: What do you mean?
Gumball: Think about it. What is petals? Flowers. What is made of flour? Bread. Who eats bread? Everyone. Apart from people who can't eat gluten. Who doesn't eat gluten? People on a made-up diet! What kind of people are usually on fad diets? Drama queens. Who are usually drama queens? Actors. And what do actors do in real life? They work as waiters in the food industry. And where do they lie about not working in the food industry? In their dressing rooms! [Darwin and Gumball open a nearby dressing room to find Leslie inside]
Darwin: Huh. You were right!
Gumball: You said that like it's a surprise.
- A rare example from Jackie Chan Adventures:
Dr. Necrosis: You are not what I expected, Agent Tag, although your disguise as a buffoon was most convincing.
Jackie Chan But I am not Agent Tag, I am Jackie Chan; a researcher!
Dr. Necrosis: Of course if you were Agent Tag, you would deny it emphatically.
Jackie Chan: No, I would claim to be Agent Tag, assuming you would not believe me.
Dr. Necrosis: But I would anticipate your assumption that I would not believe you!
Jackie Chan: I would foresee your anticipating my assumption of your not believing!
Dr. Necrosis: But how could you predict that I wouldn't expect your forseeing my anticipation of your assuming of my not believing?! Ha! Answer me that!
Jackie Chan: I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID!
Dr. Necrosis: Precisely what I expected you to say... Agent Tag.
- Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends:
Bloo: I need your trash! (...) For the needy!Old Man Bitters: Why do the needy need my trash?Bloo: It's elementary school, my dear Watson! The needys need! It's their thing. Therefore, they must also need trash!
- In one episode, Mr. Herriman is sending any friend he comes across to their rooms without supper in order to hide that he's relapsed on his carrot addiction. Wilt warns Eduardo to stay out of his way, and Eduardo deduces that he can't avoid Mr. Herriman unless he knows where he is. Fair enough, but then he reaches the conclusion that the only way to avoid Herriman is to follow him around.
- In "Camp Keep A Good Mac Down" (where Bloo, Mac, Coco, Eduardo, Wilt, Mr. Herriman, and Madame Foster go camping):
Mac: I need a break. Where's the trail mix?
Bloo: I ate it.
Mac: What!? Why?
Bloo: Because we were walking on the trail. Where's the campsite mix?
- One episode had Bloo trying to convince a grumpy old curmudgeon to give him his garbage:
- American Dad!:
- In the James Bond spoof "For Black Eyes Only", when Stan is told that Roger's character Tearjerker survived his fall into a volcano in the previous Bond episode, Bullock states that a volcano won't hurt you if you fall in "the right way".
- This trope is the aspect of most episodes involving Stan as the main character. His logic when it comes to solving problems tends to be so convoluted it often makes him The Load whenever there's a crisis. The blender's not working? Stan puts a sharpening stone inside and turns it on. He thinks Steve is too old to be playing with toys? Stan takes him to Mexico to lose his virginity to a prostitute so Steve will become a man. The house has been flooded and a shark is inside? Stan lets a bear in thinking they're natural enemies. He feels liberals have ruined Christmas with political correctness? He'll go back in time and try to murder Jane Fonda.
- In The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, Cap'n K'nuckles seems to function on a mixture of this and Know-Nothing Know-It-All. When Flapjack says "This candy tastes like horse poop, Cap'n!" (Flapjack is actually trying to eat a flower at the time), K'nuckles' immediate response is "Then horse poop must taste like candy!", and he starts looking for a big pile of it.
- In The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius episode "Maternotron Knows Best", Maternotron reasons that the outside world is dangerous and Jimmy and Hugh are safer indoors because the Civil War was held outside.
- Phineas and Ferb:
- Doofenshmirtz once created an -inator that turned eggs into dodo eggs because he believed dodos to be like dinosaurs. His reason to sustain that belief was the fact both dodos and dinosaurs were extinct. Makes one wonder how the dodo ended up looking like a dodo instead of a dinosaur.
- Professor Poofenplotz (who was rejected from the residential league of villains L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. by a letter from Doofenshmirtz saying she isn't even close to their standards) tried stealing a vast supply of royal jelly so she could grow 40 times bigger, live 40 times longer, and be Queen of the World. All that the royal jelly did was immobilize her for long enough for Pinky the Chihuahua to ensnare her.
- In Scooby-Doo! Stage Fright, when Daphne asks Fred why there are monsters wherever they go, Fred reasons that it would be too much of a coincidence if it was only them, so therefore it happens to people all the time.
- SpongeBob SquarePants. Where in the hell do we even begin?
Patrick: I see what the problem is. You have it set to "M" for Mini, when it should be set to "W" for Wumbo!
- Roughly 90% of all insane troll logic can probably be contributed to Patrick Star, the all around village idiot. SpongeBob occasionally falls into it as well, and while he is literally the only sane man in the show, Squidward will come up with some ITL just to counter SpongeBob and Patrick's.
- Case in point, Patrick manages to come up with an entire study of life based on one extremely incorrect observation. It is known as Wumbology.
- Used in the Goof Troop episode "Bringin' on the Rain." Pete intends to water his yard thoroughly in an attempt to win a gardening contest. PJ objects, because they're in a drought. Pete then claims that since we have oceans and "the human body is 98.6% water", there can't possibly be a drought. PJ is too exhausted to respond with anything other than a resigned "Whatever you say, dad."
- The Real Ghostbusters: In the episode "Citizen Ghost," Peter and Egon are repairing the ghost containment unit, checking to see if every part is stable before they go to bed. Peter's getting tired, so he says "Check." to everything without actually checking it. Egon notices Peter dozing off, and asks him to check the Transwarp Drive next. When Peter says he's checked it, Egon calls him out on it, saying they don't have a Transwarp Drive. Peter reasons it can't malfunction if it doesn't exist, and if it doesn't exist, then nothing's wrong.
Egon: "I'm not talking to you again for at least a week. It's not good for me."Peter: "Hey don't make fun, this is how I got through college."
- Wander over Yonder: In "The Little Guy," when Commander Peepers briefs the Watchdogs on capturing Wander and Sylvia, he tells them "And although technically we are the bad guys, these two are the real bad guys!"
- Danger Mouse tries to keep him and Penfold from being eaten by an alligator as Penfold mistook the alligator's tongue as a carpet. DM saves them thusly:
DM: Carpet, rug. Rug, wool. Wool, sheep. Sheep, wolf. Wolf, pack. Pack, case. Case, trunk, Trunk, elephant! And it's worth a try! (He does a Tarzan yell, which summons a pack of elephants on which he and Penfold hop a ride)
- In the I Am Weasel short "I Architect", Baboon and Weasel accidentally get their brains switched. Baboon-as-Weasel ends up ordering some construction workers to rebuild a skyscraper Weasel designed out of copper pipes, on learning that the plumbing in the building was guaranteed to last a lifetime, under the grounds "If water pipes last for lifetime, whole building made of water pipes last forever!"
- The "Anime Talk Show'' segment on [adult swim] has Space Ghost somehow manage to blame Sharko for Quinn getting his mother pregnant with him.
Space Ghost: Okay, so explain this now. Your human dad put his human penis in your shark mother's vagina. And you sat by and let this happen. Pathetic. You're a freak.
- Space Ghost uses this more than a few times in Space Ghost Coast to Coast. A particularly egregious example comes from "Live At The Filmore", where Space Ghost has to be bailed out of jail for dining and dashing, where he explains that he thought it was a good idea to inform his waiter that he was going to do so, and when the police were called he ordered more food with the reasoning that he'd "pay for the food he ate with the food he just ordered." He then reveals that he was carrying $1000 in his pants the whole time, but didn't want to reach down his pants in front of a female officer.
- On The Flintstones episode "Little Bamm Bamm", Barney and Betty Rubble wish to adopt the eponymously-named baby that was found abandoned on their doorstep. But the State mandated that the baby go to the next couple in line waiting for a child. When the Rubbles fight for custody in court, the other couple hires famed lawyer Perry Masonry to represent them.
Perry Masonry: Where were you on the night of January 7th?Barney: My memory fails me.Perry Masonry: Your memory fails you, eh? What if your memory when it was time for the baby to be fed? That little fellow could go hungry for days!
- On Wild Kratts episode "The Gecko Effect", Zach thinks he is smart enough to build a miniaturizer, so the one built by the Wild Kratts must belong to him.
- One episode of Jem has the main characters stuck on a deserted island. After Jerrica disappears (as she has to keep up her alter ego as Jem), Pizzazz believes that she went on top of the island with reporters as a publicity stunt. Stormer notes how illogical that is but Pizzazz doesn't buy it.
- In The Bear That Wasn't, a bear wakes up from hibernation to find a factory has been built over his cave. He is told by everyone he meets, from the foreman to the general manager all the way up to the company president, that he can't be a bear because bears aren't found in factories, but in zoos or circuses, and he must be "a silly man in a fur coat who needs a shave".
- Stumpy reaches insane conclusions based on whatever he hears. For example, in one episode, he finds out that magic doesn't exist, and he decides that since he has heard the expression "Life is magical" several times, life must not exist.
- In one episode, Mr. Cat says that he believes that women must stay in the kitchen and do housework. Kaeloo points out how backward his thought process is, and Mr. Cat says that he has no problem with gay couplesnote and therefore he can't be thinking backward.
- Ed, Edd n Eddy
- Eddy thinks that by acting like a jerk, the other kids would like him. Heck, even in his (made-up) story in "Once Upon An Ed," he acts rude to the kids and yet the kids still like him. How are you going to gain admirers and friends if you're constantly rude to people and constantly trick people out of their money?
- In the episode "Your Ed Here," Eddy believed that the things Kevin made him do to keep Kevin from revealing his middle name less embarrassing than his middle name, "Skipper." So Eddy really thinks that dressing up like Jimmy, kissing Edd, acting like a seal, etc are less embarrassing than his middle name? Seriously?
- In the Biker Mice from Mars two-part episode "The Reeking Reign of the Head Cheese", the defense Modo gives against the false claim that he, Vinnie, and Throttle held up a toy store during their trial is that a toy store is way too large for them to hold up.
- Rectangular Businessman 12 oz. Mouse returns after having been blown up in the pilot episode, with his explanation being that he's too rich to die.
- The British adult animated series Monkey Dust featured a recurring character named the Paedofinder General, whose gimmick was that he'd accuse random people of being kiddy fiddlers for trivial reasons, put words in their mouth when they try to object to his accusations, and then kill them. One notable logical fallacy had him confront a woman who owned a photograph of herself holding her infant son while he's naked, responding to her confirmation of parentage by saying that her admittance to imprisoning a naked child in her stomach for nine months and forcing him backwards through her genitalia proves that she's a paedophile. Another occasion had him accuse a gay couple of being paedophiles and replying to one of the men's protests that his accusations are "nonsense" with "So, you freely admit you are the possessor of nonce sense"note .
- This trope is also known as Not even wrong. It describes a logical implication, an argument or a theory that purports to be valid but is based on sloppy logic, logical fallacies or speculative premises that cannot be discussed in any rigorous sense.
The phrase is generally attributed to theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for his colorful objections to incorrect or sloppy thinking. Rudolf Peierls documents an instance in which "a friend showed Pauli the paper of a young physicist which he suspected was not of great value but on which he wanted Pauli's views". Pauli remarked sadly, Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig; es ist nicht einmal falsch! meaning "This is not only not correct, but this is not even wrong!" in Pauli's native German.
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