@ r-lock: You know for a moment I thought that Kimba was the rework idea. There might be some fun interactions between him and Simba. Otherwise general for your ideas; you already have enough, this is just me saying I like what you've put forward

I have a couple of ideas from the DLC of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, along with a Danny Phantom proposal. What do you guys think works? If you think one or more of these is best fit to a different trope, please speak up

• Valerie Grey, God of Liking Someone But Hating Their Secret Identity: Valerie is a potential romantic interest for Danny Fenton, at least before she suffers the fate of the Aborted Arc due to the series' cancellation. She hates ghosts and considers Danny Phantom her Arch-Enemy because he inadvertently got her dad fired and her family in financial straits, yet he's the secret identity of the guy she's close with
• Ogerpon, Goddess of Being Nicer Than The Character They're Based Off (Hall of Fictional Expies)-the Loyal Three and Ogerpon are a Fractured Fairy Tale version of Momotaro, the former being evil version of Momotaro's companions. Ogerpon is based off the villainous oni from the myth. However while the oni was a villain and thief intended to be slain, Ogerpon turns out to be a Hero with Bad Publicity who was robbed and antagonized and in the Teal Mask DLC you help clear her name. It's the Loyal Trio who are the real thieves.
• Pecharunt and the Loyal Three, Divine Quartet of Wicked Poison Users (Hall of Toxicity)-the main antagonists of the Teal Mask DLC/Kitikami area are a Corrupted Character Copy of Momotaro and his animal companions. Pecharunt is a devious little mythical who entrances people to its will, and he gave three weak Pokemon a new existence with its powers. They became the "Loyal" Three, a Villain with Good Publicity trio of legends who harassed and likely killed a friendly outsider in an attempt to take Ogerpon's masks. They stand as one of few explicitly antagonistic Pokemon and are all part Poison. Ironically, none have the Dark type.

for the first two, but their titles could be shorter. I didn't read the last one because I still haven't finished The Indigo Disk.

Going with a for the Pokémon suggestion, unfortunately. Both tropes seem to have other potential suggestions that could work just as well and I simply feel that Virtuous Character Copy and Poison Is Evil are better off being given to someone else.

That aside, here are some beta drafts that I feel have taken a while to materialize after a long time; here's Hanna and Sentinel Prime. Posting for feedback and recommended suggestions are listed just below their. Any additional thoughts are welcome.

Prototype Mode

Hanna Heller/Petrescu, Goddess of Adaptation Expansion (Mia Wolff)

• Demigoddess
• Symbol: A Pistol Besides a Snickers Bar
• Theme Song:
• Alignment: True Neutral and later Chaotic Good
• Portfolio: Little Miss Badass, Tyke Bomb, Was Designed Specifically to be an Assassin by a CIA Program, Genetically Engineered to be the "Perfect" Killing Machine, Pint-Sized Powerhouse, Was Raised in a Brutal Lifestyle in the Wilds, Living and Training in the Wilds for 15 Years, Has a Limited Understanding About Things Outside of her own Skills, Never Knew her Biological Parents and had to See her Adopted Father Die, Badass Bookworm, Polite and Kind in Spite of her Cold and Detatched Demeanour, Really Good with Firearms, Really Likes Chocolates
• Domains: Children, Assassins, Conspiracies, Upbringing, Adaption, Combat, Genetic Engineering
• Allies:
• Enemies:
• UTRAX was a special project conducted by the CIA to create more effective and deadlier soldiers in their services. To ensure this, they would strike a deal with pregnant women, ideally those expecting a baby girl, to allow their offspring to have their bodily systems infused with wolf DNA, with the CIA believing that with the biological data of an adept and powerful apex predator, they would be able to produce nigh-unstoppable assassins. A sector of the operation fell into scrutiny when one of the pregnant women, Johanna, fell in love with operative Erik Heller and opted to leave the operation, which resulted in the two being hounded by UTRAX's then-overseer, Marissa Wiegler. Johanna gives birth shortly before being shot and killed, with Erik promising to take care of her daughter as a surrogate father. The girl was named Hanna, a name that Johanna wanted to bestow upon her and Erk decided that trying to raise her in the civilized world would compromise their identities, instead going on to live in the Siberian wilderness for more than a decade.
  • Growing up in the wilderness, Hanna grew up to be a skilled and capable markswoman and hunter under the tutelage of her adopted father, though she does yearn to learn more about the civilized world and wonders if she has the chance of being integrated into such. Her idyllic and isolated lifestyle comes crashing down, however, as her growing curiosity leads to her going out of her bounds to interact with civilization, which blows her and Erik's cover and for Wiegler and the CIA to quickly gain notice and home in on the duo, fully intent on capturing Hanna to make up for UTRAX's big bust years ago. Relentlessly hunted, Hanna travels around the glove trying to secure her identity as well as seeking to save her father whilst fending off CIA agents and Wiegler, but things would be further complicated as Hanna would be captured (and escaping) several times, forced to protect and look after a troubled family caught in the crossfire of her journey, and discovery the dark secrets and archives of UTRAX and the immorality of their operations. After going through several perils and suffering through several losses, especially the death of Erik, Hanna would eventually find a measure of solace and independence, finally able to live in the civilized world in peace without being hounded by the CIA.
• With her newfound freedom, Hanna decided to relocate to Boston, Massachusetts to start her new life free from government conspiracies and having to be hounded because of her status as a scientific point of curiosity. To her bewilderment, she was in for an unexpected surprise when she was delivered a message by an anonymous source that said something about a “Pantheon”. Thankfully, this investigation wasn't either life-threatening or compromising in any way, allowing Hanna to quickly and comfortably find clues and hints to decipher the fact that she was now a representative of a divine realm, with her being ascended as a “goddess” of sorts. Hanna was a little befuddled by the whole thing, especially the godhood part and was worried that this might give her unwanted attention, especially after spending so long trying to earn her freedom, but eventually decided to accept that maybe this could be a way for Hanna to have a decent if memorable life. That said, she's made it clear that she has no interest in conflict or investigative operations and wants to establish a quiet life in the divine realms, despite her impressive combat capabilities.
• Thanks to her DNA being spliced with a wolf's during her mother’s pregnancy, Hanna possesses abnormal reflexes and intuition, able to quickly memorize and adapt to her surroundings and situations very quickly. Adding to her upbringing in the cold mountains of northern Europe, Hanna is also a skilled hunter and combatant, capable of taking on multiple armed figures on her own as well as quickly getting used to guns and being adept in infiltration and espionage after her brief and forced induction in a UTRAX facility disguised as an orphanage. With all those in mind, she is a deadly fighter and infiltrator, very capable of accomplishing whatever tasks and objectives she's sent out to do, though her isolation from civilized society has left her socially stunted and quite curious about the wider world. Despite her faults, Hanna is capable of empathy and emotional attachment, helped by the fact that her adopted father, Erik, did his best to teach her moral values and information about modern civilization in addition to survival skills, and she will be determined to protect whoever she's befriended.
• (Child Soldiers + Tyke Bombs)
• (Genetically Engineered Beings [points for those specifically for assassination])
• (Assassins + Forced Indoctrination)
• (Assassin/Government-Based Conspiracies [can include villainous CIA figures])
• (Living in the Wilds + Surviving There)
• (Adoption)
• (Interest Towards the Civilized World)
• (Desiring a Free/Independent Life)

Sentinel Prime, The Impious Fallen Hero (Infinitus [original name], Master, Sentinel Zeta Prime)

^{Animated Sentinel Prime}

^{Sentinel Zeta Prime}

• Greater God
• Symbol: His Primax Blade
• Theme Song:
• Alignment: Neutral Evil, formerly was and later pretended to be Lawful Good
• Portfolio: A Former Autobot, Joining the Decepticons and Later trying to Usurp Leadership, Having Close Ties to Optimus Prior to his Betrayal, Mentor Archetype, Broken Pedestal, Tries to Present Himself as Well-Meaning, Incorrigably Selfish and Self-Righteous, Supposed Good Intentions to Mask his Raging God Complex, Sees Organics as Beneath Him, Old Soldier, One-Man Army
• Domains: Robots, Supremacy, Destruction, Treachery, War, Leadership, Entitlement
• Allies:
• Arch-Enemy: Optimus Prime
• Enemies:
  • Transformers: Megatron, Ironhide, Unicron, Bumblebee, Hot Rod, Arcee
  • Other Enemies:
• Sentinel Prime was once a famed Transformer from Planet Cybertron, a great military commander, warrior, and leader who served as a mentor to Optimus Prime and served as a leader to the Autobots when the great war occurred. Sometimes during or before the aftermath of the conflict, Sentinel was lost and was presumed dead until several millennia later when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin from a United States-led expedition to the moon uncovered a Cybertronian ship called the Ark, in which Sentinel was encased within. Salvaged and taken to Earth for research and preservation, Sentinel would reunite with the Autobots decades and work together to ensure protection and peace for their newfound home planet… or so it seemed; Sentinel had actually made a deal with Megatron and the Deceptions before his disappearance to work on restoring Cybertron to its former glory and would shamelessly betray Optimus and the Autobots to instead bring back his former home planet, regardless of Earth had to die and humans become slaves to the Transformers. Eventually, Sentinel also betrays and mistreats Megatron as well, fully intent on claiming Cybertron and the Deceptions entirely to himself as a god, and despite coming close to fulfilling his ambitions, he was defeated and killed by Optimus, though not before having done enough damage for humanity to near-universally consider Transformers as a global threat.
• When Sentinel found himself in the Pantheon for the first time, his initial thoughts were to ponder on the circumstances of the new realms he suddenly became a part of and decided to travel the cosmos as well as what looked to be Earth in search of answers. He wasn't too surprised when he discovered that both Autobots and Decepticons were in the Pantheon, but felt a mix of emotions when learning about Optimus and Megatron's place there too. He was furious, especially at his apprentice for killing him and at the Decepticon leader for "betraying" him whilst also expressing twisted hope in being granted a second chance at fighting and proving his superiority towards them, but what intrigued him was that he was one of several Sentinel Primes in the multiverse, for there was another who succeeded where he failed at; becoming a leader of a still-existing Cybertron and one more who defended Cybertron against Megatron despite his own brutality. Sentinel felt that he could probably try to learn from his other variations to some degree and apply them to his next warpath against those against him, and while "Sentinel Zeta Prime" was noteworthy to the point of him planning to create a spear like his, the "Cybertron Leader" proved disappointing as this particular Sentinel couldn't match up to Optimus nor did he prove competent in leadership nor combat. Perhaps there was a little bit of himself that Sentinel saw in his "leader self", but what matters is finding Cybertron in the Pantheon and, if necessary, creating a new one regardless of the casualties he would carve in his dark ambitions.
• Befitting of his title as a Prime, Sentinel is one of the most powerful Transformers, a warrior capable of being Optimus and Megatron's equal in regards to combat and leadership, especially given his position as a mentor to the former. Sentinel possesses great physical power and is quite agile and reflexive for a robot his size, preferring to use a Rust Cannon capable of rusting away a robot's physical structure, effectively killing them painfully and a Primal Blade, a two-sided sword capable of trading blows against the strongest Transformers and further made deadly by Sentinel's combat experience. Despite his leadership and power, Sentinel was a backstabbing madman, fully convinced that he was not just a Transformer, but a god among the Cybertronians, a result of his pride twisting him into becoming no better than the worst of the Decepticons and yet despite all this, he's not above pleading for mercy if overwhelmed, a fact that he didn't like to admit in the Pantheon, instead expressing rage at Optimus for killing him during that time. While Sentinel is all too eager to continue with his ambitions in the Pantheon, he's not above learning from his other multiversal selves out of convenience, though he's now saddled with the necessity to make alliances outside of any Transformers like him if he needs any luck in fulfilling his goals, much to his chagrin.
• (Optimus and Megatron)
  • (Autobots, Decepticons and Unicron)
• (Robotic Beings)
  • (Artificial Intelligence and Those Enhanced with Cybernetics)
• (GUAM and/or GUAE)
• (Treachery Is a Special Kind of Evil + Usurping Evil Organizations from Former Leaders)
• (Mentors [bonus points for evil/traitorous ones])
• (Contempt for Humans and/or Organic Life)
• (Godhood Seekers)
• (Defending/Recreating their Planet + Sacrificing other Planets)

Edited by CrimsonShark on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:35:11 AM

What would Sentinel Prime think of his Marvel and Dreamwave versions who just gave Orion Pax the Matrix before they died and wasn't mentioned doing anything else.

Master Asia is another mentor who fell into villainy as he decided to exterminate humanity to save the planet, but he realized the errors of his way as he died. Given he was motivated by his care of nature, he would no doubt vehemently oppose Sentinel Prime's plans to devastate Earth, and the latter would likely not be happy that a human pilot a mecha more than capable of taking him on.

Edited by Alecoene on Apr 19th 2024 at 2:32:26 PM

Pantheon firmly opposes and gods and anyone who believes they are, and firmly believes that Humans Are Special.

Edited by J99908 on Apr 19th 2024 at 8:55:29 AM

@Sentinel Something that personally is bugging me but Fallen Hero only works on Sentinel if its exclusively on Michael Bay's version. I've checked the other Transformers versions but nothing has come regarding Sentinel and him being a Fallen Hero.

Unless someone already claim it, Adaptational Jerkass might work better. Even though he was only a minor character whose sole purpose was to be the former leader of the Autobot, there was nothing malicious about. Later works portray him more negatively to contrast Prime. Animated became a racist, Bayformer betrayed the Autobots, and High Moon version came off more villainous despite being on the Autobot side.

That makes sense.

Two more thumbs and I can launch this sooner.

Upvotes: 3 (Excessive-Menace, CrimsonShark, neoamon)

The Archipelago, Home of the Background Magic Field (The Enchanted Isles)

• Fantastical Settings
• Description: A chain of 34 islands in the north Atlantic, ranging in size from a town square to Denmark.
• Symbol: The Gilmourie Tree's apple
• Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
• Portfolio: Fantastic Nature Reserve, home to a World Tree that grows under a Weird Sun, its inhabitants know little about the outside world, Fantasy Kitchen Sink, hidden by a Perception Filter, home to griffins, dragons, merfolk, nereids, dryads, centaurs, al-mirajes, kankos, unicorns, phoenixes, manticores, sphinxes, ratatoskas, hippocamps, chimeras, borometzes, pegasi, and more.
• Domains: Magic, seclusion, sailing, trees
• Vistors: Fluttershy, Gilda, Hitch Trailblazer, Rubeus Hagrid, the Spectral Familiars, Reimu Hakurei
• Banned from entering: Lord Voldemort, Pokémon Hunter J, Big Jack Horner, P. T. Boomer, Arnold Berkman, Sophie
• Restricted access: Jonah
• Has diplomatic ties with: The Monster Sanctuary, the Principality of Eylstadt
• Magic entered the world when the first tree grew. It flowed into the soil, the air, and the water, spreading all over the Earth. This magic goes by many names — glimourie, glamry, glim, glimt — and the source of it all is called the Glimourie Tree. Long ago, magical creatures lived everywhere, but humanity hunted them to near-extinction. The glimourie is at its strongest in the Archipelago, and 3,000 years ago, it was hidden away to keep magical creatures and humans who respected them safe. Now, the only way to enter it is through portals that open under very specific circumstances, called waybetweens.
• Places of interest include:
  • Lithia is the largest island. It's home to Bryn Tor, a bustling port town where magical creatures roam the streets alongside humans. Hundreds of sailors pass through everyday to sell their most valuable wares. The streetlamps are lit with salamandric fire, which never goes out. It has a pub called The Naiad's Tail, which is popular among fishers.
    North of Bryn Tor is the City of Scholars, where yellow stone buildings surround a lagoon. The Archipelago's wealthiest people live here, such as the Trevasse family. The city's landmarks include a mermaid-shaped fountain, a large jewellers called the Gem Palace, and Anja Trevasse's palazzo.
    The north-eastern peninsula is home to sphinxes, who are willing to offer knowledge to anyone who can answer their riddles — or eat them if they can't. They carve writing in various languages into mountainsides.
  • A few smaller islands have friendly inhabitants, too.
    Atidina's town of Icthus was once the biggest port in the Archipelago, but fell out of use when it was hidden from the rest of the world. Now, its human inhabitants enjoy its quietness, and occasionally merfolk and hippocamps swim alongside fishing boats. Borometzes grow in its fields, and unicorns live in its forests.
    Antiok is home to centaurs, skilled artisans who make magical artefacts and potions. Due to their high metabolic costs, they need to eat a dozen times a day, and they have night-long feasts every full moon. The University of Alquon is on the west of the island.
    Tār has a small population of humans, but its main point of interest is its forest. There, the smell of the glimourie is strong, and dryads live inside the colourful trees, some of which grow extremely delicious apples.
  • The Island of the Immortal's most notable feature is the golden palace where the Immortal, the being who contains the soul of the Glimourie Tree's first apple, once lived. Whenever they die, they immediately reincarnate, and keep all the memories of their past lives. That was, until 100 years ago, when the Immortal's incarnation couldn't handle his burden and drank a potion to forget everything. Now, the palace is overgrown and overrun with karkadans, vicious unicorn-like creatures who kill for sport and have toxins dripping from their horns.
  • Arkhe is the northernmost island, surrounded by a choppy sea and covered in sand. It's inhospitable to most beings, but dragons like its warmth. Here, the Glimourie Tree grows under a sun-like orb of pure heat and magic called the Solumnulum, that holds the barrier around the Archipelago in place. It's also the "sun" that Icarus flew into. In order to keep it safe from intruders, the tree is hidden within a trap-lined maze that only the Immortal knows the way through.
  • There are also some islands that visitors are advised to avoid at all costs. The Island of Manticores is barren because its inhabitants try to eat everything they see, and like to torment their prey first. The Island of Murderers is a prison colony that no-one can ever leave because of an enchantment.
• In order to preserve the Archipelago's wildlife, some gods were pre-emptively banned. Pokémon Hunter J hunts all sorts of exotic life-forms, and the magical creatures would definitely be on her list if she were allowed in. Voldemort is been known to kill unicorns, which is considered a special kind of evil in his world. It's unknown if the Archipelago has this taboo, but its inhabitants take great care to not needlessly kill magical creatures. Big Jack Horner hates fantastical beings and smuggles magical artefacts in his home world, and everyone dreads to think what would happen if he got his hands on any centaur crafts. P. T. Boomer just hates everything magical and whimsical. Jonah is allowed to visit, but he's not allowed on any ships because he has a tendency to make them sink.
• Fluttershy, Hitch Trailblazer, and Rubeus Hagrid are all good with animals, magical or mundane. Fluttershy can tame the most dangerous of creatures, and during a visit, she calmed down a rampaging kraken simply by asking it what was wrong. The first time Hitch stepped onto Bryn Tor, he was instantly followed by an entourage of al-mirajes. Hagrid... is much less sensible. He once tried to pet a manticore, and would've gotten eaten if he wasn't so big. Some people have mistaken him for a berserker, who are an order of fearless humans who protect the Immortal.
• Gilda's visit caused quite a stir. Griffins are believed to be extinct in the Archipelago after the glimourie started to fade five years ago. Furthermore, unlike the Archipelago's griffins, Gilda can talk. She loved the attention at first, but soon became frustrated with it, so she sold some of her feathers to wealthy humans for an exuberant amount of gold pieces and left without another word.
• The Spectral Familiars are interested in the Archipelago because it has an eerily similar backstory to their Monster Sanctuary. It too is a place where magical beings live alongside humans that's hidden from the outside world, and surrounds the site where the first tree grew. They and their keepers have considered letting some of the Archipelago's creatures live in the Sanctuary, but they're having a hard time getting the flying senate (the Archipelago's government) to agree. Regardless, the two dominions have diplomatic ties, and their inhabitants frequently travel between them.
• For similar reasons, Reimu Hakurei is interested in the Archipelago. She's from a long line of miko who maintain the barrier that separates the fantastical land of Gensokyo from the mundane world. She once tried to throw a tea party in The Naiad's Tail... only to learn that they didn't serve tea. On the plus side, a kanko (the only Japanese creature known to inhabit the Archipelago) decided it liked her and tried to make a nest in her sleeve.
• The Archipelago also has diplomatic ties to Eylstadt. It too is brimming with magic, in its case thanks to leylines. In canon, Izetta drained all of its magic to prevent the Germanian Empire from using it to power their weapons of mass destruction, but it's still there in the Pantheon. Two high-ranking members of the empire, Arnold Berkman and Sophie, were interested in harnessing the glimourie... so they were added to the banlist as soon as possible.

By that description it sounds as if you’ve further justified Sentinel’s villain status.

Also Sentinel is a Fallen Hero, not just in the Michael Bay movie. How he falls differs from adaptation, like how he did a Full-Circle Revolution in Transformers: War for Cybertron (also his character page literally has Fallen Hero in it). Or in the Transformers: Animated series, while a Jerk, he does believe in what he does and cares about the safety of Cybertron and its citizens. Unfortunately when he takes leadership it quickly becomes a Tyrant Takes the Helm, where in the tie-in comic made to rap things up (because the next season was axed) Megatron nearly took over just by criticizing the current rule during his trial.

But if others are still unsure of Sentinel having Fallen Hero, how does Hero's Evil Predecessor sound? Because while some may question if Sentinel was ever a hero, he definitely isn’t one by the time Optimus takes charge.

In turn we could give Sinestro Fallen Hero while giving Sentinel Hero's Evil Predecessor.

Edited by AzureLegacy on Apr 19th 2024 at 7:51:39 AM

First draft for Dokurobei. I'm looking for:

• Thieving deities

• Bumbling villains that are easily manipulated

• Aliens with a hatred for humanity

• Deities who've had to reassemble themselves or some aspect of them.

• Deities involved with the Moon in a major way

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[[folder:Dokurobei]]

IT'S PUNISHMENT TIME, BEH!!!

Dokurobei, Unholy Not-So-Harmless Villain (Skull Stone, God of Thieves, Lord Yatterman, Skullobey)

^{His fake human forms (top, from left to right: His form in the original anime and the 2008 anime version; bottom from lef to right: him possessing a human and true form in the movie)}

^{As the Dokuro Stone (his true form)}

• Greater God. Formerly a Quasideity.
• Symbol: His Emblem◊
• Theme Song: Dokurobei Appears!
• Alignment: Lawful Evil (formerly Neutral Evil)
• Portfolio: Proving Himself Genuinely Dangerous, the Big Bad of the Yatterman series, Dem Bones, Anti-Villain at first, Bad Boss, Orcus on His Throne, Aliens Are Bastards, Gonk Fat Bastard in his human disguise, Initially Laughably Evil Even After he Took a Level in Badass, Motive Decay, Evil Is Petty, Eventually Succeeded in Defeating the Original Yatterman, Irredeemably Evil, Never My Fault, Moral Myopia, Hero Killer, Abhorrent Admirer towards Doronjo, We Can Rule Together, Punished the Doronbos Constantly and Eventually Banished Them and Their Families to Marginalized Lands, Enslaved Humanity to Force Them to Work Themselves to Death in Order to Make Him Immortal, Initially a Punch-Clock Villain.
• Domains: Villainy, Cruelty, Threat Levels
• Heralds: The Yatter Kingdom Generals.
• High Priest: TBA
• Followers: TBA
• Allies: Aku, Master Org, Lord Crumb.
• Rivals: Dr. Eggman.
• Enemies: The Yatterman Cast, The Capcom Deities (especially Ryu, Chun Li and Morrigan), The Pokémon Deities (especially The Team Rocket Trio) Jindrax and Toxica, Sonic the Hedgehog.
• Dokurobei was once a skull-like alien from Planet XYZ who travelled across the Universe and while passing through Earth was shattered into pieces by an accident and ended up stranded on Earth, the fragmented alien then managed to somehow build a proxy human-like body and manipulated the criminal Doronbo Gang into travelling the world but especially the Dekkaido region of Japan to look for the pieces of his being, claiming they were the "Dokuro Stones" that would reveal the location of a great treasure when gathered. Opposed by the Yatterman and giving nothing but false and faulty leads to his minions, he never quite accomplished his goal and punished them for their failures or for his own amusement, until the very end of his initial tenure where once the Doronbo gathered the stone pieces he was fully reformed, revealed his ruse and left Earth to never deal with its inhabitants again, with the Dorobo disbanding.
  • However, years later he returned with a new fake body and some relatives to tour around the planet but lost the pieces of his true body yet again, he rehired the Doronbo to gather the five (actually ten) Dokuro rings (once again the pieces needed to restore his true body) and claiming again that they would grant their deepest wish, intending to actually follow up on his words but the selfish and petty wishes of the Doronbos motivated Dokurobei to instead steal the dreams of humanity in retaliation and become all-powerful in the process, but once again failed to achieve his goals and after being made to feel nostalgic for his home he left once more but vowed to return, before immediately returning when he wanted to have more fun with the Doronbo Gang who almost split again until they decided they still cared too much about each other.
  • He failed to win against the Yatterman again and again, eventually leaving and returning several times to Earth each time more powerful and cruel than the last, until after an untold number of defeats he pulled all stops and decimated most of Earth by shattering the moon and finally defeated the Yatterman, still wishing revenge after vanquishing the heroes he took their identities while conquering the remnants of Earth and took the identity of "Lord Yatterman", a supposed descendant of the heroes, exiling the Doronbo and all their families into hostile lands where they would live in poverty. Using the Yatterman's image to slander them beyond the grave, he created the Yatter Kingdom where the scant survivors of his ultimate attack were forced into a dystopian rule with him ruling Earth for many decades. However, the Doronbo Gang's direct descendants reformed the gang and rebelled against his tyranny, forcing him to capture them and reveal his true identity to them, it was then that he was finally defeated for good when the Yatterman's true successors came to light and fought him alongside the new Doronbo Gang, destroying him in his final form and killing him for real.
• Arriving as a meteor from space, Dokurobei found himself in the Pantheon back to life and as the complete Dokuro Stone... Until he broke apart and had to recruit some lackeys to serve him, though to his misfortune the Doronbo no longer wanted to obey him after all he put them through and destroying the world, this caused him to instead turn to recruiting the Team Rocket Trio, Wario, Risky Boots, Long John Silver and many other thieves and treasure hunters to find the pieces with the promise of granting their wishes. Once the pieces were gathered, Dokurobei revealed his ruse and left his pawns in the dust to race to complete his body again and restore his human disguise, once he was done he contently resumed where he left off in his last moments, now seeking to truly destroy the blasted Yatterman and the Doronbo as well for having troubled him for so long.
• The tropers demand it so it's Punishment Time again, Beh!!!

[[/folder]]

Edited by VengefulBale on Apr 19th 2024 at 2:05:38 PM

The first image note refuses to open up to me.

Vitiate/Sith Emperor sustains his immortality by draining the lifeforce of planets, which leads to the deaths of billions due to the corruptive and devastating powers of The Dark Side. Likewise, Voldemort's desire to maintain his immortality stems from killing people as sacrifices to bind an object or being with a fragment of Voldemort's soul, creating a Horcrux.

While hate isn't the best phrase to describe it, Brainiac is dismissive of humanity and Earth. However, this stems from their technology simply being incredibly inferior compared to what he tends to have. General Zod is more contemptuous of humanity, seeing them as beneath Kryptonians and one of the reasons for his hostility against Superman is because he finds it baffling that Kal-El would associate himself with humans and their morals rather than Kryptonians like him. Certain depictions of Megatron also sees humans as beneath him and in case Cybertron is unavailable, he's more than willing to kill humans if it means taking over Earth.

Honestly, I'm sticking to Sentinel having Fallen Hero as it is a big deal with his character and his lore and it sets him up as an effective foil for Optimus. Though admittedly, I do think Hero's Evil Predecessor is a good alternative and I can consider changing to that if people are more willing to go with that + Sinestro being given Fallen Hero as a compromise.

That said, should a trope switch happen, I would intend for Sinestro to replace Mr. Freeze as a Guardian Rep in The Honorable Villains as I feel the former has more validity and authority to take up something along those lines. Still, I'll wait and see what others would feel.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Apr 19th 2024 at 9:03:24 AM

Did anyone notice my Archipelago repost?

I’m confused about the paragraphs following "A few smaller islands have friendly inhabitants, too".

Are those supposed to be

Also I think Doctor Strange, if not all of the The Four Magicians would want to keep watch as to insure that those who are banned stay banned. And have those with Mana Drain like Moro, Lord Tirek, and Acnologia keep out as far away as possible.

And maybe some characters from a setting where The Magic Goes Away (like from the Fate Series) would be included in the Archipelago.

Edited by AzureLegacy on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:36:15 AM

They're meant to be like that. I used the new line formatting because it looked better than having them all in one paragraph.

Unfortunately that doesn’t look good for this. We only use • for the profiles

Edited by AzureLegacy on Apr 19th 2024 at 12:37:40 PM

@Crimson

For Hanna, Chise is a girl who was converted into a cyborg Super-Soldier to fight in a Hopeless War. Killua Zoldyck, Natasha Romanov/Black Widow and Maki Harukawa were trained to be assassins at a young age. San lived and survived in the wild for much of her life.

For Sentinel Prime, Arthas Menethil and Oersted/Odio are also fallen heroes.

@Vengeful

Sailor Moon and Eiren Yagokoro have strong connections with the moon. The Wet Bandits are a duo of bumbling theives.

@ Crimson Shark: Sad, but I do respect your frankness

For Maya, what royalty do you think she would hate, and who do you think she would like? Such as princesses that are kick-ass or who grew from being immature and prideful to a kind and matured hero/leader? For Zatz, who was redeemed due a love for the hero, and who were forced to work for the bad guys in large part due to how they were Trapped in Villainy

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Princess Maya Teca and Zatz, Celestial Representatives Of Semi-Divinity (Maya: The Little Eage, The Great Eagle Warrior, Princesca, the Sun, Zatz: the Prince of Bats, El Vampiro Guache, Mi Principe, the Moon)

• Hall: Hybrids (House of Otherness)
• Intermediate Goddess and God
• Symbol: The Eagle Claw (Maya), the Crimson Sword (Zatz)
• Theme Songs: Maya's Theme, Maya Begins (Maya) Zatz the Prince of Bats (Zatz)
• Alignment: Neutral Good (Maya started as Chaotic Good leaning Neutral, and Zatz used to be Lawful Evil)
• Portfolio
  • Applies to both: Animal Motifs, Semi-Divine, Initially Trying To Kill Each Other But Fell For One Another, Motivated In Part To Avenge Family Members Killed By Mictlan, Night and Day Duo, Heroic Sacrifice, Together in Death, Becoming The Sun And The Moon, Past Lives Of Maria and Manalo According To The Writer, Birds of a Feather, Singles Seeking A Good Partner
  • Specific to Maya: Tomboy Rebellious Princess and Jerk with a Heart of Gold Who Grows From Selfish To Mature, Getting Slack From Being Lady Micte's Heroic Bastard (especially from her husband), Pint-Sized Powerhouse, Bird Symbol Fighting A Snake-Themed God, Having A Big, Fancy Macuahuitl, Liar Revealed, Muggle Born of Mages, Brings Mictlan To The Grave With Her
  • Specific to Zatz: Noble Demon with a Heel–Face Turn, Dark Is Not Evil, Can Shift Into Bats, Attracted To Maya's Fighting Spirit Perky Goth, White-Haired Pretty Boy, Having A Lot Of Issues In His Past, Rocking The Eyeliner, Not So Stoic, Chick Magnet
• Domains: Humanity and Divinity, Love, Death and Rebirth, Royalty (both), The Sun, Eagles, Pride And Maturity (Maya), Bats, Darkness, Redemption, Honor (Zatz)
• Heralds
  • Both: Their friends Rico, Chimi, Picchu and Chiapa, the deities Cipactli, Cabrakan, Vucub (more so the ones from their universe than the originals
  • Maya: King and Queen Teca (her father and step/adoptive mother), Lady Micte (her biological and divine mother), the Jaguar Triplets^note Dagger, Shield and Lance, Eagle and Jaguar (her half-siblings)
  • Zatz: Camazotz (his divine father), Zyanya (his mortal mother)
• Varying relationship with: Ares (usually an enemy, but anywhere from distrustful to tolerant of for his Mars persona or his Spartan interpretation), Hades (normally on good terms, sometimes enemies when he's vilified)
• Special relationship with: Manalo Sanchez and Maria Posada (their reincarnations by word of their writer)
• Interests: Tezcatlipoca (both), Ereshkigal (Maya)
• Allies
  • Both: La Muerte (Maya's biological aunt by word of their writer) and her husband Xibalba, Joaquin Mondragon Jr, Chaac, Quetzacoatl, Cosmos, Percy Jackson, The Xaolin Dragons, The Supreme Kais of Universe 7 (yes, including Shin), Chiron, Mister Miracle and Big Barda
  • Maya's allies: Jon Snow, Princess Bean, the Luminary, Kuzco, Captain Planet and The Planeteers, Huey, Dewie and Louie Duck, Gilgamesh (the original)
  • Zatz's allies: Bruce Wayne/Batman, The Murkrow Flock, the Zubat line, Absol, Adrian Tepes/Alucard, Zuko, Nuova Shenron
• On good terms: Persephone, The Acolyte and the Radiant Goddess, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna, Miguel and Tulio, Nebby (both), Josuke Higashikata (Maya),Rhaegar Targaryen (Zatz)
• On speaking terms with: Apollo, Helios, Artemis and Selene (both)
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Kratos (both, particularly Maya)
• Enemies
  • Both: Ah Puch, Bandos, Gorr the God Butcher, YHVH, Typhon, Apophis, Sutekh the Destroyer, Father of the Homunculi, Ozai, Cronus, Darkseid, Zamasu
  • Maya's enemies: Talia al Ghul, Sofia Lamb, Ragyo Kiryuin
  • Zatz's enemies: Chernabog, Antasma, Dracula (Castlevania), Michael Morningstar
• Pitied by: La Muerte and Xibalba (both)
• Wary of: Loki's Brood
• Disrespects: Ernesto de la Cruz, Zeus (both), Hera, Gilgamesh (Fate Series) (Maya)
• In the Mesoamerican-inspired kingdom of Teca, the young Princess Maya yearns to be an Eagle Warrior like her mother. However, when vengeful gods threaten all of humanity, Maya journeys to find the three prophesied warriors who can save the kingdom. She would learn that her biological mother was the death goddess Lady Micte, the result of a fling with her mortal father King Teca. Micte's husband, the ruthless and power-hungry Lord Mictlan, sought to sacrifice her to gain great power and sent many deities after her. An emissary, Zatz, was initially tasked to bring Maya but fell for her and vowed to join her quest to destroy Lord Mitclan. Like her he was a demigod, his father being the bat god Camazotz. Through the power of weapons forged of god blood, even a demigod could slay a deity. Along with their friends Maya and Zatz would successfully defeat Mictlan, uniting the four kingdoms against the evil gods. However the battle would come at a high cost with practically every deity involved, along with Maya and Zayz, dying to stop the evil war god once and for all. After their deaths, Maya and Zatz would go on to become incarnations/deities of the sun and the moon respectively.
• Applies to both
  • The ascension of Maya and Zatz under the trope Semi-Divine was a surprise, albeit a somewhat pleasant one, for two reasons. First, when it comes to candidates for the trope, people were mainly thinking Classical Mythology and not Meso-American deities as the parents. After all, the Greek gods are notorious for the demigods they leave behind. Second, it was thought their ascension would be awkward because they're apparently past lives of the already present Manalo Sanchez and Maria Posada. However, given Aang and Korra co-exist in the Trope Pantheon, and the House of Time and Temporality is a thing it wasn't unexpected. Their incarnating into the Trope Pantheon took them out of the power from being a sun and moon god, however they were already formidable warriors. When entering the pantheon they were formally met by La Muerte and Xibalba, who were very happy to see them. Why? Asides from respecting their relationship, Lady Micte was La Muerte's sister, making her Maya's aunt. Xibalba was Maya's uncle by marriage...and technically speaking, her step-uncle. Yeah...there are reasons why they are in the "pitied by" section when it comes to interactions.
  • The reason why Xibalba held trepidations towards the ascension of the demigods is because of the sins of the brother, Lord Mictlan. His brother thirsted for power, becoming a deranged tyrant of mostly Mayan gods and is directly responsible for the death of most of the people Maya and Zatz cared about. His evil was comparable to that of Ah Puch...not the trio of enigmatic gods who act as guides, who merely held the name. And yes, the real Ah Puch considered that an insult, rooted by Lord Mictlan and laughed at Xibalba and La Muerte's regrets...he's kind of an asshole and the demigod couple weren't enthusiastic at learning he beat them to the bunch at being pantheon-worthy. With the relative obscurity of Mayan Mythology, none of the other gods who would go against Mictlan had ascended, not even Zatz beloved father Camzotz^note who in the actual myths was more of an asshole. There was one Mayan god present that wasn't evil, though...the rain god Chaac. He was fortunate to not be anywhere near Mictlan's warpath and felt guilty he wasn't involved. The Prince of Bats told him he shouldn't beat himself up over it, as he's thankful to see a Mayan god spared from Mictlan's actions.
  • The two have also encountered Aztec gods; a far prettier Cipactli. As one of the only Aztec gods to avoid Human Sacrifice, Quetzacoatl approached them in one of his (her) fairer forms, noting that a goddess of good called Cosmos had bribed the House of Death and Postmortem to not care about two incarnations of the same soul freely existing in the Trope Pantheon. His Arch-Enemy Tezcatlipoca watched the two, not intervening as cruel as he may be he holds a great deal of respect and compassion for them for their heroism against corrupt Mesoamerican gods. Cosmos confessed that after seeing their accomplishments, she wanted to recruit for help fighting other evil gods and similar entities. Having always enjoyed a good scrap but mature enough to not be a blowhard about it, Maya simply asked her "who do you have in mind?"
    • The first pick on who Cosmos wanted help against was Bandos. Not Darkseid, not YHVH, but Bandos. While they hate the two tyrant gods who dominate and/or destroy other deities in their quest to be extreme and reminiscent of their Arch-Enemy, they are way above their weight class and Cosmos wouldn't deserve her position if she sent new recruits to the meat grinder. Bandos is quite reminiscent of Lord Mictlan, being a psychopathic war god, making him a natural enemy. This of course brought up a question: what about Ares, the iconic War God. Well, that depends on his mood. As the noble Roman god Mars, or even by some Spartan standards he doesn't want to get involved and likes that they have a good relationship with one another. But if we're talking about his more standard asshole interpretations, especially when he manipulates Kratos, oh he's absolutely right below Mictlan himself on their shitlist.
    • One god, almost on cue, made a grandstand decrying them as abominations of the highest perversion for being half-god, half-mortal; Zamasu. Like Mictlan Zamasu committed deicide against those who would go against his vision, despite supposedly making a utopia for their kind. The fact his Goku Black component took a mortal's body as a permanent reminder of mortal sins^note actually because he wanted Goku's power, but he's melodramatic by nature is just another example of hypocrisy by the mad Kaioshin. The Kaioshins of Universe 7 were glad to see the two ascend as a force against cruel gods. As will become apparent, they are hardly the only literal divine friends of the two. One couple rooting for their ascension was Mister Miracle and Big Barda. Zatz having once worked for the bad guys but reforming and opposing his former boss, having fallen in love with the other side, was a tale they were quite familiar with even if the details were different.
    • Other divine beings from more traditional pantheons count as their enemy. Apophis is perhaps the most blatant, being a monstrous giant snake who the entire Egyptian pantheon is united against. His appearance and temperament reminds Maya of the One-Winged Angel form Mictlan took, and thus the very form she sacrificed her life to strike at his heart. Typhon is another great monster-god, though not as loathsome and more akin to the father of all mythological Kaiju. Cronus is another enemy; though his ambitions are usually not as myopic as Lord Mictlan, being more about re-establishing his old role as king of the gods, no-one who literally Eats Babies to secure his throne is going to be friends with Maya and Zatz. Maya especially, since the only reason she wasn't sacrificed to Mictlan as an infant is because Lady Micte convinced him she'd make him stronger when grown as an attempt to stall for time.
    • While they aren't strictly divine, Sutekh the Destroyer and Father are in their enemies list. Like Mictlan, Father sacrifices plenty of souls in order to increase his powers. He became this powerful Humanoid Abomination by sacrificing the entire state of Xerxes and tried to gain the powers of the Truth for himself. Sutekh might as well be a god, and as Mictlan slaughtered much of his pantheon, Sutekh wiped out all but a handful of his own race in his mad quest to eliminate all other life.
  • Though they are demigods, the two aren't legible for Camp Half-Blood as that's another pantheon. They're quite welcome to visit, and often do to meet up with Percy Jackson. He has his own storied history of fighting for and against the gods, saving the world from godly tyrants, and all that jazz...it just ended up a lot better for him. Maya was glad that despite their reputation as Jerkass Gods, none of his pantheon insulted her for being half-mortal. Then again, that'd be quite rich from them. Neither of them are all too fond of the Greek's Top God Zeus, though. While he's usually not outright evil, he's a capricious and hypocritical god who sires many a demigod (sometimes without the informed consent of the mortal) and isn't exactly attentive at trying to prevent his wife blaming them or their mother. For his part, Zeus does respect the two's efforts, while also admitting it's a bit amusing his bloodline wasn't picked for the trope. Of course, he muses that might be the point; it would've been a cliche to do so.
  • While no longer incarnated as the sun and the moon, the two still recall their role as gods of those celestial bodies and they have a decent working relationship with the alicorn princesses. They also have a working relationship with the Greek deities, one of which (Selene) shares a name with Princess Luna in her Roman form. However they're not exactly friends because asides from Helios the other three can be rather dickish at times. After having to deal with Mictlan, they don't exactly have a high tolerance for Jerkass Gods, especially Maya. Gorr the God Butcher tried to reach out to them, albeit conflictedly since they're part mortal yet part god, trying to convince them the universe would be safer if there was simply no god. After all, their setting recovered after the depletion of many Mesoamerican gods. Maya told him to shove it since as much trouble as gods have caused, she knows they aren't all like Mictlan and she has no intention of becoming a self-righteous deicidal maniac like Gorr has. On a lighter note, the two have an amiable relationship with Nebby. In its final, mascot legendary forms it is either an emissary of the sun (Solgaleo) or moon (Lunala). For bonus points, Lunala is bat, which is perfectly fitting as far as Zatz is concerned.
  • The Acolyte and the Radiant Goddess think they're a cute couple. So does Persephone, who's into the "dark, brooding kind" if Hades is any indication. As Maya is the biological daughter of a death goddess, she's a source of interest for Ereshkigal, and as mentioned Hades. Admittedly the couple don't always get along with the lord of the underworld since sometimes he's in a scheming mood to take power from other gods, but when written more accurately he's on good terms with the two...mainly Zatz, because he likes his aesthetic more. His half-brother Chiron has tried to act as a teacher for Maya and Zatz, as there's Greek fighting styles they aren't familiar with. One of the reasons he wants to do this is to prepare them for a new potential Götterdämmerung, the kind Loki's brood embodies. The couple are wary of them, but it's more of a general caution than anything heated. Given their own history one might think they might be a bit annoyed at Miguel and Tulio pretending to be gods towards native Mexicans, but they take it in good humor and respect that they ultimately cared more for the people than the gold, becoming heroes in their own right.
• Applies to Maya
  • Like Princess Bean, Maya was a textbook Rebellious Princess, though not with the same kind of vices as she's from a kid's show^note yes, despite being the result of adultery and having Mictlan for an Arch-Enemy. Compared to Zatz she doesn't have much in the way of godly superpowers asides from her skill at fighting and cool sword, however she still has a better than normal healing factor and strength, being able to easily fix broken bones. Unlike Bean, both her step and biological mother turned out to be good in the end, but as the two get along she tries to avoid pushing any buttons and risk upsetting her new friend. That being said, it took some time to accept Lady Micte as family and not an enemy. The fact that Micte was initially onboard with sacrificing her only to regret ever doing so and protecting her from her husband doesn't help. With this in mind, evil mothers really tick her off. She has a bit in common with the original Gilgamesh in that she started as a brash Semi-Divine character before significantly maturing as a person, though she was never the tyrant he used to be. A bit put off by his past crimes, but she recognizes the 2/3rds god, 1/3rd man has become a heroic Reasonable Authority Figure. His egotistical Fate counterpart can eat it, though.
  • Jon Snow was surprised to see that her step-mother was happy to accept her considering how Catelyn saw her. Maya was shocked to learn that her father had cheated on her adoptive mother, and she did lash out on him, but she loved her as much as her biological children. And despite the betrayal, the two made up and were Happily Married in the end. Much like Josuke, Maya doesn't have any Bastard Angst from where she came from. Given how well she was treated by Queen Teca, Maya's incensed by Hera for how she acts towards her husband's illegitimate children, saying no matter how shamed she feels by his affairs and how unable she's able to punish him specifically that's no reason to vent her anger on the kids. While somewhat flummoxed by how her parents could reconcile, and even her adoptive and biological mother getting along, Hera doesn't hold anything against Maya personally and doesn't mind if the princess vents. Aphrodite sees it as yet more proof Hera should get off her high horse.
  • Like the Luminary things changed forever with her birthday. Not a Dangerous 16th Birthday, but only a year off. She's not as much of The Chosen One as he is, but she was prophesized to slay Lord Mictlan alongside three great heroes, and she did succeed albeit at the cost of her life. Fortunately he has not followed her to the Trope Pantheon...unfortunately, neither did her friends. They became Zatz' friends too, and the two decided to go out and find other heroes. She found the Xiaolin Dragons and the Planeteers, a four person and five person multinational team, reminiscent of how her friends were heroes gathered from different kingdoms. By extension, Captain Planet is an ally. Maya is close friends with Huey, Dewie and Lewie as they remind her of her brothers, the Jaguar Triplets.
  • Before her Character Development, Maya wasn't too different from Kuzco. She was a prideful, selfish child who only cared for vengeance, and lied to her friends in order to avenge her brothers. Well OK, maybe not as bad as Kuzco before he grew as a person, considering the power he had. Still, Maya and Kuzco are friends, and the two have used their political influence to have their kingdoms grow together as allies. Perhaps more interesting is her outlook on Kratos. Another demigod and one with a really unpleasant war god involved in their Start of Darkness, he had waged war against the gods. While many gods he's killed honestly had it coming, some do not and a lot of innocents were caught in the cross-fire. Kratos has significantly matured with age and is aiming to be better, focusing his wrath on those who actually deserve it, but he understands why both Maya and Zatz have apprehension working with him. Still, they try to work with him anyway in part being one of many who wish to be a positive influence on him and also in part to help make the gods who actually deserve to pay pay.
• Applies to Zatz
  • The Longhaired Pretty Boy Zatz had a darker childhood than his partner. His mother was killed by monsters as an infant/toddler. Lord Mictlan took out his eye as a child. His father Camazotz was pressured to be Mictlan's top general, and when he quickly rebelled Mictlan killed him in front of Zatz. Camazotz was a Noble Top Enforcer, mainly following out of fear for himself and his son, which makes him a more noble figure than in the original mythology. Unlike Maya Zatz has inherited his godly parent's abilities, being able to shapeshift into a single or swarm of bats. Much like Batman, while he's associated with bats and has a dark and brooding aesthetic^note though not half as much as Bruce he's a good man. Batman rarely has off time, but when he does he likes to meet up with Zatz. Both think the other has killer aesthetics. Bruce had mused he knows the feeling of having a thing for someone on the opposite side.
  • Zatz may have a fair bit of tragedy in his background, but one thing that cannot be denied is that his parents were loving to him despite the dangerous situation they were in. A bit of commentary he had with Percy is that their divine dads were again, a lot nicer than in the original myths. The other demigod thinks maybe that's because the "death bat" re-evaluated his priorities after being defeated by the Mayan Hero Twins. He was definitely interested to learn that while un-ascended, his dad and Cabrakan have participated in the Battlefield of the Gods. Sometimes he composes songs and poetry in a mood with fellow white-haired pretty boy Rhaegar Targaryen. Rhaegar mused that much like Lady Micte his romantic affair had indirectly caused a fair bit of trouble, and unlike Micte Jon Snow still has some issues with his biological father he hasn't resolved yet.
  • He has a lot of the traits of a Romantic Vampire Boy, though he's not a vampire. Still, he's friends with the Dhampyr Alucard. As for Alucard's father...well, while he can understand the reason he hates humanity he certainly won't condone his actions. And don't get him started on that creep Michael Morningstar, the kind of but not really vampire who uses women. Because of his association with darkness and bats, the demigod interests Antasma and Chernabog, the former seeing him as a rival due to his role as the "Prince of Bats". Due to their usage of bats/darkness for evil, he's not a fan of them. Because of his bat aesthetic, Zatz manages to be one of few not annoyed by Zubat; they seem to respect his role as a bat-based demigod and he has control over them as an extension of his powers. Though normally stoic and composed, he can be playful with the Murkrow flock and like, letting them rest on his Shoulders of Doom.
  • He has somewhat of a kindred spirit with Nuova Shenron, and Zuko. They're both on the nicer end of a typically evil organization, though unlike Nuova Zatz is not the only good god under Lord Mictlan. Like Nuova he became a long-standing ally of the good guys. Zatz muses that he's not sure whether it's ironic or expected that the dragon born from the most evil wish is the only Anti-Villain of the group, but it's interesting of note. While they like to discuss their lives and relationship with the good guys, Nuova's powers don't synergize all that well with Zatz. Zatz and Zuko are closer as friends, though. Another reformed hero, Zuko has a lot of the personal drama and trauma regarding his former boss, however it's especially personal as the Evil Overlord he served under was his own father. Maya and Zatz despise Ozai for being the same kind of genocidal warlord that doesn't give a damn about anyone else that Lord Mictlan was

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 19th 2024 at 9:37:15 PM

@ RJ: Maya would have a lot in common with Moccamori. She also started off immature and arrogant on account of being granted immense magic power by god and surrogate father/distant ancestor, Agamo, and using said to take over the continent and make herself queen despite her youth. Only after losing Agamo's gifted magic and having to work on becoming strong against as well as several other moments of humility does she grow to be a kinder person and better queen, one who even earned the loyalty of those who once opposed her rule.

While she worked with Agamo because she sincerely believed in his plan to would make everyone immortal to end conflict and loss (and to see her birth parents whom she lost in the Witch Hunt), its only after realizing that Agamo lied as well as learning to value the limited time everyone has that she turns against him.

The Candlemaker isn't that major a character admittedly so I'm not sure what else to say about him, unlike the above. Sorry about that

The Candlemaker, God of Elemental Hair Compositions (Mr C )

• Halls: Elements and Nature: Other (House of Nature), Hair Styles (House of Personal Appearance)
• Overdeity
• Symbol: The Book of Life itself, with a seal of golden wax
• Theme Song: Welcome To The Cave of Souls
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: Weird Beard Made Of Elemental Clouds, Nice Guy, Grandpa God, Everyone Calls Him The Candlemaker, A God Equivalent And One Of The Friendliest Guys In The Movies, Big Fun, Light Is Good
• Domains: Life, Souls, Divinity, Friendliness, Spirit, Weddings
• Interests: Lady Eboshi, Darth Plagueis
• Allies: La Muerte and Xibalba, Manolo Sanchez, Maria Posada and Joaquin Mondragon Jr, The Love That Moves The Stars, God (Bruce Almighty), The Life Entity, Death of the Endless, Finn and Jake, Shishigami, Hestia, Neith, Anubis, The Valar, Osiris, the Supreme Kais of Universe 7, Eru Illuvatar, Ra, Arceus, Xerneas and Yveltal, Junior the Stork, Alpheus/the World Forger, Mar Novu/the Monitor
• On good terms with: Quetzacoatl and Tezcatlipoca, Chaac, Destruction of the Endless, Rayquaza, Zygarde, The Living Tribunal, Whis, San, Ashitaka
• On speaking terms with: Beerus
• Enemies: the Grand United Alliance of Destruction (on top of the list; Nekron, Nagash, The Crimson King, Apophis and the Lich), Chakal, Zamasu, Ah Puch, Chakravartin, Darkseid, Zanza, Melkor, Ungoliant, Kronika, Perpetua, Mobius/the Anti-Monitor, Barbatos
• Disrespects: Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort
• Pities: Cetrion
• The Candlemaker is a spirit who lives in the Cave of Souls and is also the keeper of the Book of Life. A powerful yet humble deity made out of celestial candlewax and with a beard of clouds, he's in charge of both keeping the balance between the Land of the Remembered and Land of the Forgotten, and more importantly creating the candles of life that embody every living thing. He has a brother, the Creator, who rules the Land of the Blessed, a land where angels and other celestial beings live. He helped Manolo return to the land of the living and acted as the officiator of his wedding to Maria Posada, along with helping him deal with Chakal. He also was the officiator for Lady Micte and Lord Mictlan's wedding...that didn't go as well though.
• His ascension was, according to some, foreshadowed by the fact he was the herald of his divine contemporaries La Muerte and Xibalba. A good friend of bost even if he acknowledges the latter can be a jerk. Like them he also took a modern human form incognito, that being a bus driver, Mr C. According to some official notes He used have a thing for the former, and the puddle he has in the Cave of Souls isn't just a Companion Cube; it's alive and made from the tears of a goddess, La Muerte's sister La Noche. Also, Maya and the Three shares a universe with him, so he was kind of happy to see Maya and Zatz ascend with him as he enjoyed their story. Chakal wasn't exactly happy to learn the Candlemaker had ascended due to his role in his defeat, but it's not something the Candlemaker puts much consideration into. Having aided them and overall impressed by their accomplishments, Manolo, Maria and Joaquin were happy to meet up with the waxy, lovable god again.
• His ascension as the god of Elemental Hair Composition is because of his Weird Beard of elemental clouds. Because it's made of clouds, someone decided to prank him by inviting Rayquaza over and use its ability of Air Lock to wipe that weather off his face. This didn't work, in large part because of how powerful he is and it's not exactly weather. The dragon and the Candlemaker are amicable to each other because the latter likes how the former, and another dragon Zygarde for the matter, have the job of keeping order in the world, particularly against squabbling entities like Groudon and Kyogre. As a life and soul deity, the Pokemon that he has the closest working relationship with is Xerneas and Yveltal, the incarnations of life and death. Him and Arceus are pretty tight too, and the latter can respect him for taking his job seriously but not being a stick in the mud and having a good sense of humor. He tried to reach out to Kracko who's made almost entirely of clouds and not just the hair, but the mean little cloud wasn't interested in his easy-going personality.
• The Candlemaker's function is to craft the candles that embody and represent people's lives. If that candle is still lit, it means they're alive. With his usage of candles, the Dark Brotherhood was curious about this waxy deity due to their usage of the Black Sacrament, though he doesn't exactly approve of their rituals. The Candlemaker is easy going yet he's still an equal to La Muerte and Xibalba, and one of the more understated Overdeities in the Trope Pantheon. Ember Lumen was also curious about these candles, seeing as how she's a living flame. The House of Undead and Phasmata was curious as to what their candle would look like since they're, you know, undead and still kicking in the mortal realm. Apparently when he shows them their candle, the fire is extinguished but its still hot and smoking. For Voldemort, it was multiple small and lopsided candles with a very tiny flame, representing his mutilated soul. While agreeing with most he's reprehensible, he's more disappointed than anything he could sully his essence to escape the reaper, and his ultimate fate may be worse than the Land of the Cursed.
• The Cave of Souls serves as his temple, and it has a direct connection to both the House of Life and Vitality, and the House of Death and Postmortem. It's the nature of his job, after all. Strictly speaking his job of making the candles only applies to those from his universe, however with other divinity's permission he can make candles for other universes. The Life Entity and Death of the Endless were the ones who gave the go ahead for this, creating an appendix for his Book of Life to catalogue the comings and goings of Trope Pantheon members. Literal deities and divine entities don't show up in the appendix, though it's not like gods showed up in the regular one. Comparisons could be made between his book and Destiny's, though as the Candlemaker will readily admit Destiny's is far more expansive and influential. Unlike Destiny of the Endless he isn't bound to his book.
• Because of his job, he works closely with divine beings of life, death and whatever's in-between. Though he follows the rules, he's willing to bend them a bit in order to help souls and spirits in need. The nature of the Trope Pantheon means that he has to relight candles, something he's not done that often, but he can adapt. Though his morality and worldview is more convention compared to Shishigami's Blue-and-Orange Morality, his nature as a life and soul deity means he understands the importance of the Nature Spirit and aids its role in the world. With this role in mind, he's on good terms with San and Ashitaka. Lady Eboshi is curious about him given her prior experiences, but is wise to avoid getting too interested in him. Darth Plagueis doesn't share this; he wishes to study the Candlemaker to learn the secrets of life itself...most would consider his reasons to be nefarious. Junior the Stork is another ally of his due to his role of delivering babies, and thus new life.
• He's like Hestia in that he gets along with everyone he meets. They've got different jobs, though as being a protector of the family is an essential role as her "goddess of the hearth" position, knowing and getting along with people is super important for her. Due to The Book of Life and Maya and the Three having a shared universe, the "public domain gods" that he has the most familiarity with are the Mayan and Aztec ones. He's on good terms with them, except for Ah Puch by "virtue" of Ah Puch being a complete asshole who makes corpses and the dead his playthings, and he intends to expand his Hell. Yeah, Tezcatlipoca can be a major tool like Xibalba, but he still recognizes the Candlemaker's importance and he's a Nice Guy he respects. On another continent, there are some Egyptian gods seeking to work in tandem with him; Osiris and Anubis have the role of judging the dead, and while they usually want the heart of the dead to weigh they are OK with using his candles as a substitute if someone fails to be mummified. They had to make a modified scale to not give the feather of Ma'at an unfair advantage, however.
• Few can say they hate the Candlemaker. Even someone as notorious as Zamasu, while seeing him as an enemy, doesn't have anything against him personally and might've liked to know him, but his job is antithetical to the Zero Mortals Plan. Like almost everyone the Candlemaker thinks he's nuts and his plan is steeped in blood and hypocrisy. As destroying the Cave of Souls and him would prevent new life from emerging in his native universe, he's considered a primary target by the GUAD. They aren't the only ones, mind you. Darkseid sees every god not under his control as someone to subjugate and/or eliminate, and the idea of taking the Cave of Souls, letting him control the fate of life itself in the Candlemaker's universe...is a terrifying one and it puts a smile on Darkseid's face. The Monitor had been, well, monitoring this and has informed the Candlemaker of some other multiversal threats. As the Monitor it is his job to observe and help the positive matter universes develop; a bit more cosmic in terms of divine vocation, but not incomparable to the Candlemaker's role.
• Much as how almost nobody has a bad word for the Candlemaker, the Candlemaker rarely has it in him to hate someone. One of the only exceptions to this is Chakravartin. Controller of the Wheel of Life and Death in his universe, he continually destroys and rebirths planet Gaea to find a suitable successor to take it over after he leaves, harms trillions in the process without a care. He's a perversion of everything the Candlemaker holds dear. The same could be said about Zanza, and especially Kronika who's vision of balance is insane as far as he's concerned. He feels real bad for Cetrion having being gaslit into Kronika's loyal daughter despite what she's done (including sacrificing herself) and wishes she could live up to her potential. Perpetua and the Anti-Monitor are major enemies, as she seeks to enslave him in order to control life while Mobius simply seeks to destroy him along with his universe. Her son the World Forger has been making some Powered Armor and enchantments to give him at least some chance surviving them, though they're so OP he can't guarantee. When asked why he's putting in the help, Alpheus said that as creating life and making sure the right universes reach the light multiverse, their jobs compliment each other to a degree.
• On a more lighter note, he has a bit of an issue with Beerus the Destroyer. Not that he dislikes him, and the two recognize each other's importance, but he feels Beerus isn't that good at his job and as such he's one of those beings who gets away with snarking at Beerus' expense without fear of reprisal or even the cat being too pissed. Since the Candlemaker's job is one of creation, his specialties are more something to tie in with the Kaioshins, and they prove a lot more competent than the cat....well, except maybe Shin, but since he was Incompletely Trained he has more of an excuse. Whis, an angel who observes and keeps a sense of balance, enjoys having Mexican meals with the Candlemaker. The Living Tribunal has been observing their meetings and believes the Candlemaker is doing a good job, and a heads up...Melkor and Ungoliant are seeking to come in and marr his cave. Ungoliant hungers for the light within him and his cave, and Melkor seeks to marr the world he comes from the same way he did Arda.
• Nekron could sense Nagash's plans to enslave the Candlemaker so he may control the souls of everyone and had the more reliable^note read: loyal Lich infiltrate that afterlife since he has prior experience. The Candlemaker made sure to warn both La Muerte and Xibalba that "if there's any gnarly horned dude or big yellow hand wanting to have a say with one of your bets, squash him like a bug. You gotta play safe with the guy". The Crimson King meanwhile wants to physically tear the Cave of Souls apart by removing its metaphysical foundation. Finn and Jake helped stop the Lich's attempted takeover of their universe's afterlife as part of their final journey before they reincarnated, so they were happy to help out the Candlemaker.
• Said to look like God. He is not the Alpha and Omega of his setting, but he is a powerful being whose job is to maintain the balance and the peace over the world of the living and the dead, and he's quite a nice guy. His aforementioned brother also comes off as kind of a God-like figure if the Land of the Blessed is any indication. Some have even compared his ability to craft life candles akin to Eru's usage of a true, ensouled life is described as the Flame Imperishable, though Eru is far grander than even the Candlemaker. He is someone that the Candlemaker would refer to as "sir", and listens to his advice. He works on his godly duties with the Valar, who usually make good conversation partners. Other benevolent Gods get along with the Candlemaker.

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 20th 2024 at 3:50:48 AM

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