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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those charactersโ€™ importance to the Pantheonโ€™s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their seriesโ€™ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that charactersโ€™ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a characterโ€™s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the websiteโ€™s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokรฉmon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokรฉmon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokรฉmon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokรฉmon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#146001: Sep 23rd 2019 at 4:57:44 AM

Welcome to the Pantheon, where Roy can meet two of his mothers, and where one of them can instead be the mother of a friend of his. Families and Multiple Endings, am I right?

No-Thumbs Mode

What else can I add for interactions between Aika and Noel?

The work's trope says there are individual themes, but I couldn't find them in You Tube. Please help.

The Twintail Warriorsmembers , Holy Trinity of Mega Twintails (Souji: Tail Red, Sou, Solar Metca/Sora Mitsuka | Aika: Tail Blue | Erina: Tail Yellow)

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Left to right: Aika, Souji, and Erina
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Left to right: Tail Blue, Tail Red, and Tail Yellow

TV Tropes Pantheon Group Members Database
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#146002: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:15:56 AM

Welcome to the Pantheon where Nightelf is still the most unhelpful contributor here.

[up][up] Holler a mod or copy paste the history. Cant do much myself until i get home

Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:16:21 AM

Uni cat
SuperWIKI1 BourbonDiscordia from The Little Red Dot Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
BourbonDiscordia
#146003: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:40:55 AM

[up] First: thank you!

Second: That's a bit harsh. At least tell him not to word it that exact way.

Retired effective March 1, 2022
nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#146004: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:41:52 AM

Okay, okay. I get it. I'm not at all a popular troper here. What else is new?

That said, I want to broach a certain subject.

Nice Job Breaking It, Hero doesn't have a representative. Do you think it's possible for it to have one, or is it too universal? Because I have a certain posthumous SU character who might be the perfect fit, but everyone says it's impossible despite all the ways the dead have come back to life here.

I know we did discuss it before here, but since the S5 finale, I think it's worth talking about again.

After all, as White Diamond inadvertently discovered, as did everyone else in the area, Pink Diamond no longer exists in Steven's Gem. What does that mean for her current situation in regards to the Pantheon's rules of ascension?

Edited by nightelf37 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:51:38 PM

TV Tropes Pantheon Group Members Database
SuperWIKI1 BourbonDiscordia from The Little Red Dot Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
BourbonDiscordia
#146005: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:54:25 AM

[up] Don't worry, no one hates you here. Just constructive criticism.

I think I'm done with this.

[tup]s: 1 (CrimsonShark)

Election mode

Kinderheim 511, Unholy Seat of Terrible Orphanages
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Kinderheim 511 after being burned down, as seen from the east facade
  • Description: An old mansion with a grand staircase in former East Germany
  • Symbol: Neutral Evil, but turns out mostly Chaotic Evil graduates
  • Portfolio: Orphanage of Fear, Staff And Orphans In Constant Conflict, Run By the East German Ministry Of Health and Ministry Of Internal Affairs, Was Created To Make Perfect Soldiers But Got Exterminated By Its Best One
  • Domains: Communism, Death, Indoctrination, Nihilism, Socialism, Soldiers, War
  • (Not) Sacred to: Johan Liebert, Kenzo Tenma
  • Located in former East Berlin, Kinderheim 511 is a special orphanage run by the defunct Internal Department. It housed orphans who were the children of criminals, political activists, traitors, and spies, people who under the Soviet East German regime given not even the most basic of human rights. These children are subject to inhumane discrimination by immoral and corrupt staff, with only the most grudging care being given to their survival. For example, packages sent to the children are stolen by instructors and directors and resold.
  • Intended to turn children into obedient soldiers subservient to the East German government, experiments are conducted on them such as desensitizing them to violence, endless rounds of brainwashing to produce catharsis as well as other modes of human programming and negative reinforcement. If things go well, the orphan's sense of self (including being addressed by number instead of name) as well as emotion would be destroyed. Studies were made into how the orphans mentally evolved towards selfishness and fear then eventually to hate and fight amongst themselves. This philosophy would prove to be the orphanage's undoing.
  • Kinderheim 511 was indirectly based on the eugenics experiment of Czech psychologist Franz Bonaparta. Ironically, one of the twins born from said experiment, Johan Liebert, would turn out to be one of the most successful alumni of the orphanage due to his already fraught childhood under the watch of Bonaparta and Petr Čapek. Johan and his sister Anna were found unconscious on the Czech-German border by General Helmut Wolf. While Anna was sent to the more ordinary Kinderheim 47 run by the Welfare Department, Johan's sociopathic tendencies were noted and General Wolf signed off on the paperwork for him to be sent to Kinderheim 511. The higher-ups at the orphanage were curious at his exceptional behaviour surpassing the program's parameters and subjected him to a forced interview under chemical treatment to determine how far this went, which can be found here.
  • When he grew tired of being at the orphanage, he spread rumours throughout the orphanage of a boy put on sleeping pills and how terrifying he was, encouraging the other orphans to rebel and use the skills of said boy to manipulate their instructors to hate the directors. He stretched the mental health of everyone in the orphanage to breaking point, which led to the deaths of its highest-ranking officers. Chaos ensued in the battle for succession, culminating in the entire population of the orphanage killing each other in a bloody massacre. Johan just watched serenely from his chair on the orphanage's grand staircase as a fire broke out and completely razed the orphanage, with only a few survivors. After the fire, the East German government halted all operations and experiments in Kinderheim 511. All documents pertaining to the orphanage were burnt and disposed of, and most of its surviving staff fled Germany for neighbouring countries like the Czech Republic when the Berlin Wall fell.
  • As of the end of the series, the fates of those related to the orphanage and its administration are as follows:
    • Hartmann, a high-ranking member of the Ministry of Health still lived in the vicinity of the orphanage years after its disbandment. He was attempting to turn his adopted child Dieter into another Johan Liebert by applying the Kinderheim 511 methods on him. He was later arrested.
    • Mikhail Petrov (formerly Reinhart Biermann) escaped 511 before the fateful massacre, and is implied to be a supervising director of the orphanage. Possibly to atone for his past actions, he adopted a group of orphans illegally and raised them in the opposite way the Kinderheim 511 orphans were raised. He was one of those killed in Johan's bloody swath to eliminate all who knew of his existence. It is likely that he conducted the interview mentioned above.
    • Helmut Wolf later became part of a neo-Nazi society seeking to control Johan Liebert and make him the next Hitler. He notably does not share the anti-Semitic interests of the others, only seeking Johan so he could have him detained or killed to end his threat to humanity once and for all. Johan would get the upper hand and kill everyone who knew Wolf personally, with the intention of forcing upon the General the solitude he felt when he was recovered on the border.
    • So basically, don't be a staff member of Kinderheim 511. Whether it's through losing your sanity or being another one of Johan's victims, it will not end well for you.
  • None of the surviving Kinderheim 511 alumni came out of the incident intact. In fact, most of them rallied around Johan as their leader, wholeheartedly believing in his nihilistic goals and helping him erase evidence of his existence throughout Europe. Chief among them was Roberto aka Adolf Reinhart. He became Johan's chief enforcer and right-hand man, playing any role that was required of him to eliminate anyone who was a threat to Johan's agenda, though he would on occasion bypass his superior's orders and attempt to kill his sister because he thought she posed a threat. He wanted to see 'the landscape of the end' that Johan strived to create, to be the last person standing at the end of the world. Even Wolfgang Grimmer, the most stable of the graduates, could no longer feel emotions, being unable to feel true empathy or even crack a smile until his final moments.
  • The suggestion of reviving the orphanage was raised by Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, secretly as an attempt to one-up the Red Skull who had seized his former position as leader of HYDRA in the Pantheon. He had painstakingly used the computers in the House of Knowledge to restore any documents that his operatives found in Project 'Netvor J', a time heist of sorts where his operatives, led by Crossbones, reclaimed and copied paperwork on the orphanage's administration by returning to the time periods before it was burned down. Most of these attempts did not bear fruit, but thanks to him, an estimated 45% of the lost documentation on the orphanage's administration was reclaimed and archived. Eventually, Strucker presented the fruits of his labour to the Red Skull, who was obligated to present these same results up the chain of command from Palpatine to Johan and eventually Melkor himself. More amused by how Strucker had gone to such lengths simply to humiliate Schmidt, whose progress had been stagnating as of late, as well the prospect of creating other humans like his Evil Genius, Melkor approved of the notion. Johan Liebert has yet to speak on the matter, though it's highly likely that he no longer cares about the orphanage anymore.
  • Strucker then formed the Militรคrausschuss 511full name  as the new leadership of the orphanage, for many of its former staff were unwilling or unable to return to their former duties with the exception of former Minister of Health Hartmann, who jumped at the chance to create more 'monsters'. The committee consists of Strucker and Taskmaster (HYDRA representatives, custody of reclaimed documents and training respectively), Hartmann (domestic representative, general administration and oversight), Sundowner (public representative, funding and resources), William 'Deathshead' Strasse, The Major, Arnold Ernst Toht (Nazi representatives, military and training affairs), and Bask Om (Titans representative, brainwashing and indoctrination). These are the key members who run the orphanage, but don't expect to see them there if you ever get in. They're busy doing their own thing. Hartmann is the only one who can be relied on to be there at all times, and that's only because he's so determined to create another Johan. There could be a lot more members than stated here, as the budget being delegated to the orphanage is increasing steadily, hinting at its growing importance to the GUAE.
  • This committee is run under the auspices of both the GUAE Corruption Agents and the GUAE Reeducation Facility, serving as a joint external facility for both bodies. Johan Liebert is a very rare case of "Homo monstrositis", i.e. a human who is so soulless and nihilistic, yet possesses no sadism or outward sense of joy in spreading pain and suffering (also known as Lieberty). This orphanage is different from places like the Red Room (which created Black Widow in how it isn't focused on combat-oriented training. Rather, it serves to turn out master manipulators, chessmasters and corruptors identical to Johan Liebert in personality and charisma. If they can't be like Johan, moulding them into people like Gihren Zabi is an equally good option.
  • Despite being under the Corruption Agents and Re-education Facility authorities, the orphanage is considered politically neutral territory as agreed between the Grand United Alliance of Evil and Grand United Alliance of Law (particularly the Ministry of the Word) Johan's qualities all have favourable similarities to their respective modus operandis, and hence some of their most intellectually-gifted students are sent here.
  • Life in the orphanage is far, far worse than in the original one. Young orphans kidnapped from their homeworlds (sourced mainly from people like Granny Goodness who excel in this department) are first placed through two months or more of constant lashing, excessive viewing sessions of violence such as through 'outings' to the Flesh Eaters sub-house. Then, their personal characteristics and fears are reviewed for personalized cram sessions. Even less is known about these training procedures compared to the preliminaries, but intercepted dispatches reveal that people like Dementors, Scarecrow and Griffith are directly involved in cracking 'difficult' trainees. Assuming things go well and depending on the political atmosphere, graduates either become prospective replacements for Johan should he somehow get killed in the line of fire or used to rally supporters and overthrow Melkor.
  • Kenzo Tenma is incensed that the orphanage that ruined the purity and sanity of so many children has been brought back to full working capacity in the Pantheon and is looking to rally the GUAG Kibou Go against them. He can't do much himself, so he's looking for more allies.

Edited by SuperWIKI1 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:03:06 PM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#146006: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:58:26 AM

Sorry, it's just that besides being Nightelf is incredibly douchy to post a joke and a profile when someone is asking help for an important issue.

About Rose, honestly considering that "Change Your Mind", whatever your opinion is on that episode being bad or not, does imply that Rose is gone for good and technically speaking you can have her be around. It was done with a few characters here in the pantheon.

That said, i wouldn't recommend it because the show isn't technically over. For some reason there is a new season so be careful.

Uni cat
CrimsonShark Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde
#146007: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:58:45 AM

[up][up] [tup]

A nomination on my part; The Six Treasures of Chaos.

I am intending to work on this after I get Archaeon ascended. The reason is because Archaeon is the Everchosen according to the Warhammer lore, he is to be bestowed six artifacts by the Chaos Gods should the Everchosen accomplish seemingly impossible tasks. Each of the treasures give him incredible power and abilities, enough for the Everchosen to truly become a destroyer of worlds.

I do need the question whether this should go under Magical Items or Maximum Security.

  • The Teasures are as follows...
    • The Mark of Chaos: The sign that an individual is the Everchosen, and grants him/her power from all four Chaos Gods.
    • The Armour of Morkhar: The armor worn by the first Everchosen. It is incredibly durable and resistant.
    • The Eye of Sheerian: Grants the ability of prophecy and to see the future to predict events and attacks.
    • Dorghar, Steed of the Apocalypse: A giant daemonic horse, far stronger than any warhorse.
    • The Slayer of Kings: A legendary giant sword which houses the soul of the great daemon U'zhul.
    • The Crown of Domination: To represent absolute authority towards the Warriors and Daemons of Chaos.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Sep 23rd 2019 at 2:00:23 PM

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#146008: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:01:06 AM

I'd sort of want to suggest that trope to Lann and Reynn, but I also don't want to just throw around suggestions. Like I have some profiles and suggestions that have been sitting around for actual years at this point.

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SuperWIKI1 BourbonDiscordia from The Little Red Dot Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#146009: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:12:53 AM

@fasoman: Or he could've posted the profile at the same as I posted that SOS and didn't notice. But your claim is also justified.

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nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
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#146010: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:14:56 AM

[up][up]Hmm... if Rose/Pink is rejected further, then I'd defer to your idea. I'd like to help work on them if that happens. Just go check this out for the full story. Warning: it's extremely long.

Innocently Insensitive doesn't seem to have been taken, either, as far as I'm can tell. Maybe Rose can have that trope instead. It's because of that that a lot of long-term problems occurred.

Edited by nightelf37 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:55:52 PM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#146011: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:20:36 AM

I do think Rose can work but again, careful with how you approach her since a future episode could render her appearance moot.

It can work. For example we have both Dracula and Soma Cruz, even though the latter is a reincarnation of the former.

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WikiWanderer nothing to report from The Netherlands Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#146012: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:34:37 AM

@nightelf you were asking about small problems that become not-so-small later on, do Malignant Plot Tumor or Not-So-Harmless Villain describe what you mean?

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#146013: Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:24:13 AM

I would honestly wait until every is done with Steven Universe.

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#146014: Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:49:11 AM

[up][up]No. Sorry.

[up]So, no (re)working any SU profiles until the series in confirmed finished? How long do we have to wait? Why can't updating "per season" or "post-critical reveal if the season ends in cliffhanger for one or more characters" work?

Edited by nightelf37 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:59:45 PM

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Muundeis No. 1 Entourage Fanboy from ANYWHEREEEEEEE!!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!! Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#146015: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:30:15 AM

[up] Because we fear that the new events that happened might start off unnecessary storylines and if it goes through, sooner or later once time has passed it will be seen as outdated hype. It will be work trying to implement in more new incoming info every time and even more when other new profiles included the unnecessary hype-ish.

To summarize, we don't want to go through the hassle of going through every profile and correct the text that referenced outdated events that branch off new canon information that will be swiftly contradicted by the next episode/season which is why the "no hype" rule is in place.

I mean, you must have known very excited SU fans yourself, don't you?

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#146016: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:31:40 AM

Wait what?? Y'all I'm planning on reworking the Crystal Gems, I'm not waiting until the end of the series to do that!

And about Rose... Nice Job Breaking It, Hero and/or Innocently Insensitive would work great for her, but I agree we should wait on her. I have a little list in my head for SU characters and when they could be ascended, and Rose and Jasper are at the top for "wait until the series is over".

Being honest, though, every time Rose gets brought up, a little scenario pops in my head where she gets revived somehow by Pantheon shenanigans (a revival wasn't even what they were going for!) and finds out what happened while she was gone... And she's seriously horrified, because not only had she not at all intended for them to deal with her own mistakes, but it confirmed her belief that things would be better without her. She then decides to keep her return a secret as to not cause her loved ones even more pain and strife.

This completely backfires in her face, obviously.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#146017: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:40:30 AM

It's only natural that whatever Rose does something bad will happen afterwards

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TrueChaos Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#146018: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:02:41 AM

How does this look now? Any suggestions for flavor text for the group as a whole?

Sento Kiryu, Ryuga Banjou, Kazumi Sawatari and Gentoku Himuro, Gods of Requiring Phlebotinum For Driver Uses (Sentonote , Banjounote , Kazuminote , Gentokunote )

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From left to right: Sento, Kazumi, Ryuga and Gentoku
Transformed State 

Oggy123 Kirby from Jakarta, Indonesia Since: Oct, 2013
Kirby
#146019: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:22:08 AM

What do i do if i want to add a deity to any of the Alliances?

Edited by Oggy123 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:22:47 PM

wootzits Since: Apr, 2010
#146020: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:34:38 AM

[up]You can start by saying who you want to add.

ShawnRi Since: Nov, 2016
#146021: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:35:44 AM

Here's the Aayla Secura profile. I've got two [tup].


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Aayla Secura, Goddess of Alien Hair

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  • Intermediate Goddess
  • Symbol: Jedi Order Insignia.
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Action Girl, Has Lekku Head-Tails, Blue-Skinned Space Babe, Canon Immigrant, Master Swordswoman, Ms. Fanservice, No Kill Like Over Kill.
  • Domains: The Force, Combat, War
  • Herald: Oola
  • Superior: George Lucas
  • Allies: All ascended Jedi, Liara T'soni, Daenerys Targaryen, Snow White, Abraham Lincoln
  • Odd Friendship: Starfire
  • Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Frank Castle, Anakin Skywalker
  • Enemies: All ascended Sith, most Separatists (Especially Wat Tambor), Wilhuff Tarkin, Jabba the Hutt, the Slavers, The Grineer
  • Wary Around: Clones, especially the 501st Legion
  • Born on the Twi'lek homeworld of Ryloth, Aayla was discovered to be force-sensitive and taken in by the Jedi order. She was apprenticed by Jedi Master Quinlan Vos. Participated in the attempt to rescue Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme from Geonosis, which marked the beginning of the Clone Wars. During the War, she commanded the 327th Star Corps on the planet of Felucia. Was killed during Order 66.
  • Like most Jedi, is deeply opposed to the Sith and all Dark side Force-Users.
  • Briefly commanded the 501st Legion while they were stationed on Felucia. It was said that without her leadership, they wouldn't have survived the fighting. Unfortunately, she is deeply distrustful of clones after Order 66, especially those belonging to Clone Armies. For what it's worth, many clones felt sorry for betraying her.
  • Does not like the Grineer. In addition to being an army of clones, she's horrified by their behavior and ruthlessness when dealing with opposition.
  • Was surprised to learn that Anakin had become Darth Vader, due to the fact that the last time she'd seen him he was a loyal member of the Jedi Order. He was also The Chosen One, and was expected by most Jedi to bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith. This has been further complicated when Anakin turned back to the Light Side and helped defeat the Emperor.
  • Having known her during the Clone Wars, Aayla was glad to learn that Ashoka Tano had not only survived Order 66, but had also ascended to the Pantheon. She was impressed that after Order 66, Ashoka had worked to help resist the Empire.
  • While she has animosity towards the Separatist Alliance, Aayla has an intense dislike of Wat Tambor, in no small part due to his brutal occupation of Ryloth and his experimentation on sentient beings. One of the few Jedi to survive General Grievous, though was severely wounded during the encounter.
  • As many Twi'leks are forced to become Sex Slaves, and becoming a slave when she was a child, she dislikes slavery and those who participate in it. Has a special hatred for the Slavers for their involvement in sex trafficking. Hates Jabba the Hutt for the same reason, especially after learning how he treats his slaves. Was forced to work with him during the Clone Wars, but after the war he allied himself with the Empire. As such, there's nothing holding her back now. She is very sympathetic to those who have been enslaved and admires those who have worked to free slaves.
  • Because she killed Jabba the Hutt, Aayla greatly admires Princess Leia. Has complicated feeling about Frank Castle. On the one hand, he took down the Slavers. On the other hand, his ruthlessness is at odds with the Jedi Code, which Aayla still adheres to.
  • Never much liked Tarkin to being with, these feelings got worse after he joined the Empire. Not to mention, he was involved in the construction of Death Star, which resulted in the enslavement of many non-humans. The feeling is mutual, as Tarkin has a low opinion of non-humans and the Jedi.
  • Is friends with Liara T'soni due to their similar appearances. Is also friends with Starfire due to both being aliens with a preference for skimpy clothes. However, while Starfire has no problem with romantic relations, Aayla is forbidden from having emotional attachments by the Jedi.
  • As with all other characters from Star Wars, her superior is George Lucas.

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#146022: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:08:43 AM

[up]Personally I'm not up for that profile. Her lack of characterization in comparison to other characters like Ashoka or Revan, coupled with her limited screen time outside the prequels and the fact that her "alien hair" isn't even hair won't make your approvals much easier.

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#146023: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:34:15 AM

[up]Those tentacles still cound as alien hairs.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#146024: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:34:51 AM

I think the tentacles count. It's just that the profile maybe is not up to snuff

Uni cat
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#146025: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:41:26 AM

Yeah, it's kinda short.

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