Trope Pantheons Discussion

Sorry that I haven’t gotten around to writing interactions yet (mostly because I’m struggling with writing their ascension story [particularly how Gregory would react to his ascension]), but is there any way to reword their title?

Also, I’m curious with how well Gregory would get along with Akio Ohtori, given that he used to serve as his High Priest.

And what House in Insanity do you think they should be in?

Gregory and Paula Alquist Anton, Divine Couple of Gaslighting (Gregory: Sergis Bauer [his real name])

• Potential House: Somewhere in Insanity
• Quasideities
• Symbol: Aunt Alice’s jewels
• Alignment: Neutral Evil (Gregory), ??? (Paula)
• Portfolio:
  • Gregory: Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, Domestic Abuse, Manipulative Bastard, only married Paula so that he could gain access to her aunt's old house, Terrible Ticking, Villain Protagonist
  • Paula: Alone with the Psycho though she would later denounce her husband
• Domains: Abuse, Insanity, Manipulation
• Heralds: Nancy, Miss Thwaites, Elizabeth, Brian Cameron
• Allies:
  • Gregory:
  • Paula: Susy Hendrix
• Rivals:
• Enemies:
  • Gregory:
  • Paula:
• Paula Alquist is a young girl who lived with her aunt, a famous opera singer named Alice Alquist sometime during the Victorian London era. One day, the aunt is suddenly murdered and robbed by the mysterious Sergius Bauer, leaving Paula alone. Years later, while studying abroad for the ten years since the incident, she would meet a man named Gregory Anton (unaware of the fact that he’s actually Sergis), whom she would eventually marry. After returning to London, Paula began to notice strange goings-on: missing pictures, strange footsteps in the night, and gaslights that dim without being touched. It turns out that her husband had tormented her in order to send her to an asylum and obtain her aunt’s jewels. This situation brought the attention of Scotland Yard inspector Brian Cameron, who has known known Alice Alquist since his childhood; seeing Paula brought his interest in solving the case regarding Alice’s murder. After recovering her sanity, Paula would end up turning the tables as she psychologically tortured Gregory, now bound to a chair, tantalizing him with the suggestion that she might free him so he can escape arrest, trial, and execution, before calling in Cameron to arrest Gregory and take him away.
• Upon reviewing their story, the Court of the Gods felt that they are a perfect fit to represent the Gaslighting trope, especially considering the fact that it named the trope in the first place, and it was a matter of time before the couple’s presence was brought to the court. Paula was understandably concerned with having to share the title with her husband given what she had to go through. At Paula’s request, Brian was also brought in as one of their Heralds, particularly to keep Gregory in check.

Edited by Donnietu on Jan 24th 2021 at 5:25:59 AM

I think Causes of Madness would fit them better, after all the goal of gaslighting is to drive the other person into a mentally vulnerable state

Accepting s

Bête Noire, Goddess of the Nightmare Face (Betty, Black Beast)

Bête Noire and Akumu (Art by Camila Cuevas)

• Potential Houses: Fear (Heh) and Facial Attributes
• Intermediate Goddess.
• Alignment: Chaotic Evil with Lawful Evil goals.
• Symbol: One of her many nightmare faces
• Theme Songs: A Welcoming Smile, Bête Noire, Fearless Terror
• Portfolio: Nightmare Face, Manipulative Bitch, Master of Illusion, Cute and Psycho, Fantastic Racism against Monsters, Ax-Crazy, Would Hurt a Child, The Chessmaster, using brainwashing in her plans a lot, proving that Anyone Can Die, wants to rule over humanity to prevent them from making the mistakes they did in the past
• Domains: FEAR, Illusions, Manipulation, Power, Magic, Genocide
• Heralds: Akumu
• Allies: Mina Loveberry, Baby Bonnie Hood
• Rivals: Nui Harime, Airy, Mysterio
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Thaal Sinestro
• Enemies: All Undertale deities, Omnicidal Maniacs, Toffee, Hoss Delgado, Rimuru Tempest, Isaac, Luka, The Monster Girls, Alice, Kimihito Kurusu, Lord Tirek, Alien Empera, Chaos, Queen Beryl, The Death Busters, The Dead Moon Circus, Joker, Shocker, Yapool, Nightmare, Cackletta, The Evil Entity, Grim, Mandy, Khorne, The Hounds Of War, The House of War, The House of Otherness, Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, The Maiden In Black, Abigail Williams, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, Xemnas, Master Xehanort, Vanitas, The Heartless, Akuma, Maleficent, Star Butterfly, Homura Akemi, Lucifer, Nekron, The Batter, The Lich, Monsters in general
• Respects: Global Occult Coalition, The SCP Foundation (One-sided on her end), The Monster Hunters (Again, One-Sided on her end)
• Betty was once a girl named Amber, the daughter of the original Kindness and Integrity wizards, Integrity died, and we have no idea what happened with Kindness. Afterwards, both the Lightvales adopted her as a sibling, but Agate had a massive argument with Copper, leading to her attempt to kill him. Copper lost his determination when Agate murdered Amber in cold blood, in an attempt to get to Copper. It worked. She dragged Amber's body away to turn her into the last remnant of Fear forever. Amber's soul is gone, so she will never return to her original self, and Bete Noire is all that is left. Her soul was created by Agate's own soul emptying into nothingness and being filled with Fear before storing her creation inside of it. So while Betty may be Amber in body and memories (that Agate retained), her soul is entirely different. Her purpose is to Kill Em All, especially the Red Soul, and then get erased from existence with everyone else. When Betty and Akumu are later spawned into the world after the barrier goes down, they were both genuinely sweet and cheerful, looking to explore the world before the soul of Agate arrived and corrupted her now-terrified creation.
• Ascended to the Pantheon after her Rasputinian Death and her corpse was possessed by HATE. She soon did some sneaking around and learned from these actions that she was in a place where people from many worlds exist together. Learning that there were many types of monsters in the Pantheon, she decided to continue her quest to kill them all.
• Upon ascension, the Undertale deities, having not come from her universe, were confused on who she was...until Sans made a visit to the House of Time And Space and learned about the many atrocities she had committed. After witnessing these events, he warned the rest of the deities from his home universe of her desire to kill all monsters and what she is capable of, including Flowey.
• Has brought in Akumu as her herald and is almost never seen without him. He will always be present when she is in combat and the two will sometimes fuse to battle foes. She is against those that can manipulate souls like Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn and The Maiden In Black as Akumu happens to be the manifestation of her own soul. She also doesn’t like Akuma due to his raging demon having the power to destroy souls.
• Having carried HATE in her body ever since she stole a vial of it and being terrified of what it would do if given the chance, she is very concerned about the disturbing amount of Omnicidal Maniacs in the Pantheon, much less an entire organization of them. However, she loathes Chaos above the other omnicidal maniacs due to its disturbing similarities to HATE and dislikes the idea of it ever getting her in its clutches.
• Good friends with Mina Loveberry and the two will sometimes work together in trying to accomplish their goals of destroying all monsters. Both of them enjoy the company due to their major lack of allies while Star Butterfly is just unhappy that there are two of them now.
• Given her hatred of monsters, it was no surprise that she would loathe the mere existence of the House of Otherness for being filled with many different kinds of monsters, and aims to kill them all as part of her plan. She feels her plans have become more justified as the House holds many genuinely dangerous and malevolent monsters, but on the other hand plenty of them are stronger than her, so she needs to take caution and get stronger before she can properly slay them. The denizens of the House are not pleased to know about her plans, and are willing to strike back should she try to make her assault on them.
  • On the topic of hating monsters, she's really peeved at how some monsters are living side-by-side with humans, and so is quite angry at Luka and Kimihito Kurusu for their efforts in building bridged between humanity and monsterkind in their worlds. Plus, them being in romantic relationships with monsters just aggrevates her more, especially Luka once she learned that the monsters in his world have hunted down humans for nourishment and amusement. The two and their monster companions dislike her in turn.
• Once ran afoul of a group of Hot Rods while hunting for human souls and the people she was targeting were transformed into Heartless instead. Enraged, she killed them all and later learned that this was an attempt by Maleficent to increase the numbers of her forces. She has vowed to destroy the witch because of these events.
• Hates war, having found the possibility of one between humans and monsters absolutely repulsive and horrifying. Because of this, she is enemies with Khorne, who doesn’t think much of her. Betty also opposes both his Hounds of War as well as the House of War. The Forever War taking place in the Pantheon disgusts her as she fears the damage caused by the conflict will destroy everything. She wants to rule over humanity to keep them from making the mistakes they did in the past, not wipe them all out.
• Actively opposes people who use Monsters of the Week. Because of this, Queen Beryl, The Death Busters, Joker, The Dead Moon Circus, Yapool, The Alien Empera and Nightmare are all on her shitlist. However, a few of them stand out.
  • She once tried to strike at Queen Beryl’s temple and was driven off by some of her Youma. Queen Beryl doesn’t worry about Betty as she knows another one of her heralds, Kunzite, can just suffocate her to death.
  • She has actively gone after and thwarted multiple Death Buster plots. At one point, she was frozen in glass by one of their Daimons and only escaped because of Mina Loveberry and Baby Bonnie Hood.
  • Has also been opposing the Dead Moon Circus, putting a stop to many of their plans as well. Unfortunately for her, she made the mistake of attacking their leader during a time where she had been freed from her mirror. It went as well as you’d expect.
• Became friends with Baby Bonnie Hood not only due to the role she played in saving her from the Death Busters, but also because they both desire to kill monsters. She, Mina Loveberry and Baby Bonnie Hood have dubbed themselves the “Monster Destroying Trio.”
• The Batter once fought Betty with the intention of “Purifying” her. This was the result.◊

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Jan 24th 2021 at 5:40:31 AM

Expand on the final text with the Batter, like detailing an interaction post-fight. Also there's Colonel McCullough who wishes for human superiority, so he might support her anti-monster crusade to some extent. Add those suggestions and you'll get a from me

Edited by VengefulBale on Jan 24th 2021 at 7:46:32 AM

Hey, shouldn't Yuno in Insanity be in Love since she has Yandere?

Edited by WhirlRX on Jan 24th 2021 at 8:45:40 AM

She's already in Infatuation and Obsession as well.

Ok.

Say, can i suggest a trope change for Aphrodite for Proud Beauty? The reason is because Aphrodite proud herself at the fact she is the most beautiful women in Greek pantheon. And she acts in a jealous rage if other women were called more beautiful then her.

It kind of depends on what defines Aphrodite more; the fact that she's the World's Most Beautiful Woman or she takes great pride out of her looks.

Additionally, I think she should also have a place in Physical Attractiveness, whether if she keeps World's Most Beautiful Woman or gets her trope changed. Regardless, she's having a beauty-based trope.

Also, for a rep group called The Nurturers, Aphrodite kind of feels like a left out choice, given that she represents Infidelity Index (about the most opposite thing you've got to nurturing love), but that's just me.

Anyway, I'm abstaining on the trope change. Would like to see what others think about it.

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Edited by CrimsonShark on Jan 24th 2021 at 2:30:43 PM

@Donnie Gaslighting could be reworded to Psychological Misdirection

@doodslayer I have a feeling you got the idea of Jack and BT from my sandbox or maybe it is just me

Final drafts of Travis and Fletcher. Any last suggestions and I'm done.

Travis Bickle, Patron Deity of Imaginary Violent Monologues and Extremely Disturbed Taxi Drivers (Henry Krinckle, Killer, Cowboy, Prophet, Pusher, Walking Contradiction)

• Demigod
• Symbol: A taxi
• Theme Song: The Main Theme by Bernard Herrmann
• Alignment: Chaotic Neutral at best, Neutral Evil at worst.
• Portfolio: A psychaotic taxi driver with Schizotypal personality disorder, acts smart but is actually not, took a cab job due to inability to sleep at night, goes on a killing spree against the "wicked" of New York City, lacks any form of social norms, armed with many guns on his sleeve, once a part of the marines in the Vietnam War, lies to his parents often, plans to kill most scum and himself but fails as he runs out of bullets
• Domains: Anger, Hatred, Vigilantism, Insanity, Deranged Psychopaths
• Allies: Frank Castle, Godspeed, The Joker (or more specifically Arthur Fleck), Bill Foster
• Enemies: The Houses of Crime and Justice, Louis Bloom, Claude Speed, the Slavers, The Fans
• Heavily Opposed by: Most law-bringers, the House of Politicians especially Ethan Roark Sr., Niko Bellic
• Under observation from: The Houses of Health and Diseases and Theatre and Spectacle, John Donovan
• Ah New York City. Home of the "American Dream" and the city of the land of the free, or perhaps that was what it is. In reality, it is a slumbering mess filled with some of the most vile and sinister people on earth. As more of such appear, these types of people would become acceptable targets to one (in)sane taxi driver going by the name of Travis Bickle. At first glance, he may seem like a normal, if not rather strange, individual, unable to keep up with conversations and failing to interact with the locals of the city, but underneath all that normal sight lies a psychaotic personality that eventually manifests in him as a loathing vigilante who wants to kill all the scum of the city through violence. Insane, violent and filled with contempt towards the lowest bowels of New York as well as having a weird fascination with revolvers, the merciless killing and his ramblings would soon become a hallmark to the type of insanity he has in him and would become the image he embraced on himself.
• Travis' normal day on one night would all soon change when a mysterious passenger, acting as a customer, offered him an invitation. His first attempt at conversing with the mysterious passenger was with problems as he is not really a sociable person, thus simply ignoring the person behind. As the drive prolonged, the driver stopped and suddenly pulled a revolver pointing at the passenger, warning to cut his bullshit and not waste his time. The passenger then decides to give the invitation to him but told him of "new possibilities" as soon as the stranger left the cab. The invitation, actually an envelope, had a tape of which he played and heard all the information through his radio. Hearing the words "godhood" and his name may have sparked some excitement for him as if he was finally recognized but alas, he will have to continue his work alongside with him, his contempt for the criminals around him on that night.
• For a psychopath, the Pantheon is so different from the world he hails from, considering New York being a really bad place to begin with from all the slums and criminals that come out at night. While Pantheon security might be different from the city's police, that has not deterred Bickle from contempt as he still sees some sights of criminals, made even worse when an entire House dedicated to criminals was spotted by him. With his experienced handling of firearms, he believes he can wipe the entire house clean with ease, though unlike New York and their batch of delinquents, the Pantheon on the other handa are far more sophisticated to a degree. That will not stop him from enacting the same killing spree he handed New York over once he snaps.
  • This attitude of his is also manifested during his job as a taxi driver, as he takes the shift at night where most of the criminals come out. This may explain his outlook towards those within the slums as he has seen enough of these people going around the streets or as one may describe it to be like rats in a maze. It only took a sighting of a poor prostitute that drove him off his patience and lead to his vigilantism. Even after he saved her, his insane attitude only grew worse and even caught the attraction of the police, putting him in even hotter water. Thankfully, he stopped except not really since he did not rget cured and has a chance of snapping out again. All of this shows how deranged Travis is, especially for a taxi driver who serves different types of people. And to those who take his service, perhaps conversation is not his forte.
• The Houses of Crime and Justice do not have great opinions on him apart from his mental state. The former is one of Travis' most hated locations, with sightings of him walking back and forth in the entrance, probably waiting to see whoever comes out for him to kill. On the other hand, the latter are not so merciful towards vigilantes as they believe that such action makes them no better than the criminals they are busy prosecuting in the first place, well at least for those non-corrupt officials anyway. Overall, Bickle's reputation has not translated well among those two houses, but as he'll see, those are not the only ones who share the same opinion.
  • Public relations between regulars and Travis is almost little to none. Being a non-sociable type, he is rather awkward to be with in conversations and his violent persona only makes him worse to be with, as there are many things that tick him off. A few observations from the House of Health and Diseases have concluded that his insane disorder makes him a rather tough cookie to deal with in the social aspect, known as Schizotypal Personality Disorder, which makes him anti-social to many people. His parents may be there for him though he does not talk to them much so it is safe to assume he has problems with them as well. His entrance to the Pantheon can be of good use to introduce him to a new path but as it stands, that may not happen evident at the end of his vigilante spree.
• Even with strained relationships between Pantheon denizens, there are a few people who have been rather understanding of Bickle's predicament, or more specifically his outlook on criminals. First meeting was with Frank Castle, the legendary vigilante known as the Punisher. While Travis may be an angry driver who wants to cleanse New York through violence, the Punisher does the same but with more... extreme methods, using military-high grade weaponry to suit his choice. They are also somewhat sociopaths, though Frank has a soft spot for children while Travis may or may not be albeit too merciless towards others (and more insane to boot). For all his reputation within the Pantheon, he may actually find a first for those who understand his plight.
  • That was not all, he also met a super by the name of Godspeed, one of the Flash's more complicated foes. The duo immediately understood each other when the two agreed how murder is an answer to crime. One key difference to the two of each other is their mental state, Travis has a case of Schizotypal personality disorder, a case of loner and anti-sociable mannerisms manifested into one's life up until childhood, which explains his mental instability, Godspeed on the hand is actually sane and has control on himself, hence his decision to murder even innocents to get the job done, making him less palpable than Travis, even he agreed that innocents are not to be harmed, proven by him saving a 12-year old prostitute from further harm. While the two are in agreement of such, that one aspect of Godspeed is what keeps the two from being fully relatable.
  • Perhaps his biggest meeting was with, of all people, the Joker. However, some of the other deities noticed something different about the Joker he met, without all that gun-crazy attitude of his. If anything, Bickle resonated with this version the most and understood his plight, with that similarity being close to each other. This Joker then introduced himself as Arthur Fleck and outright convinced Travis that they can work together against the society they vehemently hate. The duo would soon be found armed with guns and strolling within the House of Crime, shooting whatever moves. By the end, they soon parted with good terms and Travis was convinced that Arthur must have been a fan of him, something that he appreciates within his angry-ridden life.
  • Those vigilantes he met would be blown out of the water when it comes to insanity come the Fans. The idolizers of Jacket's killing spree have quite a lot to say about Travis from how he became a popular icon of anti-heroic criminals, even thinking he may be the predecessor to Jacket, minus the mask. Yet despite their dedication, this put him off very much, as he considers himself not as a hero nor an idol and coupled with the group's own dilusionment for fame in their own twisted sense of that logic, made him very angry within their presence. While they were comfortable within Travis' temple, he came back guns blazing against them, forcing the entire group to flee. Since then, Travis has warned them never to come back.
  • Few people are known for their anger past their patience but those who are characterized by it seem to have a few similarities, none more evident with Bill Foster, otherwise nicknamed 'D-FENS'. The two having their patience running out, then snapping and enacting a killing spree while also being chased down by the authorities seem suspiciously similar. A few observations would see a few key differences, namely morals as Travis has hatred for certain types of people and Foster is not afraid to hurt even innocents, their cause of anger with the latter having lost his patience on traffic of all things, and lastly the former's condition as Foster has nothing but bad temper while Travis has a mental disorder that caused him to snap. Either way, the two do understand each other but Travis has warned him about who he tries to kill, afterall he is a man of standards.
• His outlook against criminals was soon translated through gunfire and most criminals are unsympathetic towards him mainly due to him being an angry psychopath. This was more evident through his encounter with seasoned criminal Niko Bellic, who has experience in the world of crime. Considering that he wants to move away from all that and move in to the future as a peaceful man, Travis personally trying to pick him off angers him to an extent as Travis' anger and lack of remorse towards him is slowly pushing him on edge. Niko has told him many times he wants to move on, but the deranged taxi driver is not convinced and has not stopped his attempts against him. Granted, he understands how bad New York is, though for Niko it is translated to Liberty City, as he desperately tried to move on from his past, but trying to use murder as a method is not something he can fully agree to. Still, Niko will have to use lethal force if he will not stop on his murderous push.
  • Travis' criminal record would soon become a main source of interest to one John Donovan. Looking from his bio, the confirmation of him as a Vietnam veteran and his criminal notoriety matches what Donovan needs in his operation which requires recruiting criminals for spying operations and other dirty work. While he has not tried approaching him due to his psychotic personality, he still has a firm chance of gaining his attention, though he will have to do it slowly as he does not want to get caught, or find himself with a gun on his head.
  • Even past Niko, Liberty City, being another version of New York, has a large amount of criminal activity that one may wonder if he would drive his cab over there. Not long after, gunfire was heard around the House of Characterization and after intense shooting Travis retreated. Behind him was Claude, who was chasing him down until he drove his cab out of the location. Some say Travis provoked him out of spite due to his connections to Liberty City and due to his hate for criminals, one may guess this might be the case.
  • But if there is a group of criminals he hates the most, it would be pimps and those responsible for prostitution as he did save a 12 year old from a group of pimps. His hate for such manifested to the Slavers, who are already notorious for their connections to human trafficking. To those who he considers to be the worst scum on the earth, they fit the criteria very well. Coupled with his understandings with the Punisher and the two would go out of their way to kill the Slavers in any way possible, so much that his insanity was near uncontrollable. Thankfully, he was restored back to normal though as eventually shown he is not cured of it at all.
• Outside of the three houses mentioned, there is one type of people that are put off by Travis: politicians. One of his personal targets was New York Senator Charles Palantine who he attempted to assassinate, which failed for him as he was chased by Secret Service personnel. Then comes who Travis is based off from, making him a threat to most politicians' personal safety. In return, a few politicians have been under Travis' sights, specifically corrupt politician Ethan Roark Sr., who runs the crime-infested city known as Sin City, of which he paid a visit, through several killing sprees.
• During one of his usual taxi profession days, an unexpected passenger came in and attempted to hire Travis for his documentation trips. While payed with large sums of money, Travis' first destination was not so bad, as said passenger came back to give another location. On the way however, he noticed bloody marks on the suit and on the camera handle. Travis made a full stop and told the passenger to leave despite promised massive pay. It did not take long till the passenger, Louis Bloom, ran as the taxi driver chased him off with a revolver at hand. The reporter then took a look at Travis' biography and soon realized he had solid morals compared to him which explained why he hesitated on the second location. As a result, he will have to resort to manual means of travel and has to watch out in case he encounters Travis once again.
• Very few houses appreciate his presence but no house has respected him more than the House of Theatre and Spectacle. Many directors and interested deities watch most of Travis' life, mainly because of his popularity. Others have also studied his entire character piece by piece, making him an interesting character for a character study. Regardless of what he thinks of this, his popularity will never go away, whether he likes it or not.
• "Loneliness has followed me my whole life. Everywhere. In bars, in cars, sidewalks, stores, everywhere. There's no escape. I am God's lonely man."

Terence Fletcher, The Abusive Artist (Fletcher)

• Quasideity
• Symbol: A thrown chair flying in the air
• Theme Song: Whiplash
• Alignment: Neutral Evil (Lawful Neutral to those he respects)
• Portfolio: A sinister teacher who is motivated by his self-satisfaction, very bald, prone to swearing and slurs, acts harsh to bring out his students' potential but really just wants his prodigy's glory, brings out their potential anyways with a cost, rules his class with an iron fist to the point of cowardice, more than just an asshole
• Domains: Control, Jazz Music, Determination, Rage, Perfectionism
• Herald: Andrew Neiman (his protégé)
• Amicable Deities: John Kreese, Severus Snape, Gordon Ramsey
• Evil Counterpart to: Izumi Curtis, Johnny Lawrence
• Enemies: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Bill and Ted, Houkago Tea Time, Kousei Arima and Kaori Miyazono, Marty McFly
• Opposed and Hated by: The Houses of Music and School, Courage the Cowardly Dog
• Shaffer Conservatory, a prestigious center for musicians and band artists alike. Many musicians aim high at their careers and some are born through effort of the highest degree. The Conservatory has numerous teachers, but none are more feared and avoided than Terence Fletcher. He may have a knack of spotting and recruiting talented musicians compared to other teachers, his methods on the other hand are quite unsavory: physically and psychologically abusing his own students to the point of submission in order to iron out their flaws. After years of trying, Fletcher hit it big when he took an aspiring drummer by the name of Andrew Neiman under his wing and led him to a stellar performance at a music festival. What entailed during the trials of Neiman's learning sessions were filled with blood, sweat and tears as Fletcher's teaching habits and abusive mentality turned one of his own aspiring students into a muddled wreck, until the festival itself where he finally showed his efforts in front of a pleased crowd and his own mentor. While the implications of the performance were less than positive and Neiman's fate moreso, it was enough to show that for all his worth, Fletcher's methods are a prime example of a teacher's ruthlessness when it comes to perfection.
• Fletcher's day was suddenly distured when a private letter came from one of Shaffer's staff, calling him for a "private session". Calling his class off for the day, he was called for a meeting but not the usual staff meeting. He was sent to a room that was a gateway to a large area akin to a courtroom. From there, he noticed several hooded people of large size discussing about him, of which he could hear and proceeded to disturb their judgement, as well as mentioning his scheduled sessions with Andrew and his class. Ignored, Fletcher suddenly brought out a cymbal to show that he was not joking and answer the reason for this meeting, of which they did and clarified that he was viable for ascension. His title? Very abusive teachers. He was quite okay for such a harmful title but considering who he is, it matches. He was sent back in the Conservatory to resume his classes, aware of his "ascension".
• His reputation as a teacher is a rather controversial position he is in. The Pantheon has known stories of abusive teachers and he stands among the top. This has lead to many to disvow him positions withinthe Houses of School and Music as they are not willing to add a teacher like him within their list of teachers. Thought thanks to his domain, Fletcher mostly spends his time out in a music classroom he commissioned in the House of Music, open to those who dare seek out his tutelage. Most students are too Weak-Willed to handle his teaching for more than a day, but those who muscle through it end up being better musicians, not without the sacrifice most will have to deal with under his helm, as shown by his herald, Andrew Neiman. Even with his skills being truth of what he can teach, many believe it is not worth it and can be learned through more peaceful alternatives instead of resorting into a perfectionist mindset.
• Jazz Music is his jam and Fletcher has dedication to such. It does not take long till people realize that dedication can often lead to perfectionism and can foster a nasty host of personalities. He exemplifies all of that, as his desire for perfect musicians creates in him a sadistic and prejudicial mindset towards others, pushing others to their greatest limit. Some (or at least one) have succeeded while others fail and quit or worse, commit suicide, due to his abuse to nearly every student under his helm. That is also accompanied by his awareness to people who see him as such and even does not care about what they think. To many this is enough to be put off by his methods and often than not will choose other teachers over him. He even says it so, implying that a "good job" is simply not enough.
  Fletcher: There are no two words in the English language more harmful than 'good job'
  • Despite this, there are some moments of peace for Fletcher as he can be remorseful and emotional at times. Once crying over the death of his former protégé Sean Casey, and even laughing and playing along with former students of his, suggesting that underneath that perfectionist mentality in him, there lies respect for those he understands with. It is just that he prefers that his methods not be gentle, afterall he sees being gentle as neither productive nor satisfying and prefers to weed out the incompetence of others, even if that means bullying them at their patience in a sadistic manner.
• The mentioning of his name within the halls of the House of School and Music has left many students and some artists at complete fear, as his story is rather infamous for his harsh methods. His presence has only fanned the flames, some outright kicking him out in some occassions, even to the point that the House of School once planned on banning him. However, some of the advertisements still mention him though there will be a warning afterwards to those interested in being a part of Fletcher's class, which includes anxiety, disconnected relations and well... suicide for the more extreme cases. Even he himself has professed that the advertisement will come in handy as he can have more students outside Shaffer Conservatory.
• Very few teachers will go to extreme lengths Fletcher is known for, and those that do such have the same infamy placed like him. Case in point: John Kreese. Both him and John follow the same philosophies and are very ruthless in their teachings. Their students have gone through abusive methods to achieve what they have learned and do not care about how the outside perceives them, earning them the infamy the two have scored. Then there is the fact that both of them have the same victory with their students, with Fletcher having Andrew Neiman succeed with his career or not and Kreese having the full control of Cobra Kai and turning the tables against Johnny Lawrence, letting him taste the feeling of being forced to wander the streets. The two can be seen sometimes overseeing their teaching careers even though Fletcher has been fired from it though the Pantheon has overturned it for his position.
  • Severus Snape was called out in some instances for his harsh teaching methods around Hogwarts for some time and so it would seem that the two have each other's attention, with the similar attitude and their dedication for a greater cause. This would seem great for the two of them and in some instances, yes but considering how two of Fletcher's students have suffered troublesome fates despite his best intentions, Snape has yet to warm himself around him, the last thing he wants is the House of School ruined because of an insistent perfectionist.
• Some people have no mercy towards him for his harsh lessons moreso pitiful for the two protégés he had since the two did kill themselves with some doing so far as to showcase to him how to be both strict yet merciful at the same time. John Kreese's former student Johnny Lawrence was among the first to show him some lessons he learned from past Cobra Kai and even proved he can still be stable after overthrowing Kreese from the Dojo, the latter of which made Fletcher laugh as mentioned with Lawrence being homeless and with nothing left following Cobra Kai being overthrown by his former teacher. The other one however, Izumi Curtis, was far more successful with her showcase, able to teach the Elric Brothers through overcoming harsh lessons (like the one time where she left them stranded on an island just to teach them survival and dependency as brothers) and even called Fletcher out for being an immense prick and a sociopath since she at least have a heart towards the two. He just simply ignored her showcase and walked away, learning nothing from it.
  • However, there are people (or in this case, a dog) who can handle the harsh teachings of similar teachers, provided they can handle their self-esteem. Shown when Courage, the Cowardly Dog, was able to handle the torment of one "Perfect" Teacher through moral guidance and remembering the words "you're not perfect" shown by one nightmare. Though in hindsight, why would Fletcher care for a dog over an actual human, a statement Courage understood as he desperately tried to convince the teacher on change.
  • Even after his time travelling shenanigans, there is something Marty McFly thinks about whenever he sees Fletcher. He reminds him greatly of Principal Strickland and may even believe him to be far worse than the latter, mainly because of the whole mistreat your students idea. Hearing the fate of Andrew after his performance, he called Fletcher out on his teaching methods, mainly because for a teacher to treat his students like trash does not make his intentions noble and for the record, Strickland may be funny to look at but Fletcher not, rather he is scary to look at.
• Since Music is one of his domains, the House of Music has vehemently allowed him in but the other inhabitants are not so happy with his presence. Some either because of his teaching methods or the fact that his "jazz" is fake (and some even criticising it to be not actually jazz). Among those who he verbally ostracize include Bill and Ted and Houkago Tea Time mainly because their genres, rock and pop, respectively, are the reason why 'jazz is dying'. Even among other music deities, he still gives them a bad rap mainly because some of them, like those within girl bands or boy bands, excuse their incompetence and as a result, has left him dissatisfied with their performances. Instead, he will have to wait to see if there are students willing to join his class.
  • Jazz musicians especially in the case of Kousei Arima and Kaori Miyazono have ignored him for a while, though Kousei cannot help but be reminded of his mom who was also a perfectionist in his piano lessons whenever he sees Fletcher. At one point, hearing his notes, he came in and berated his piano skills for not being on par, and with true sadistic fashion mocked him for not moving on from Kaori's death, pushing him in the break of his patience. After he left in tears, Fletcher has one thing to say to drive home his lack of empathy:
    Fletcher: You are a worthless, friendless, faggot-lipped little piece of shit whose mommy left daddy when she figured out he wasn't Eugene O'Neill and who's now weeping and slobbering all over a piano set like a fucking nine-year-old girl!
• Spider-Man cannot help but think Fletcher is another version of J. Jonah Jameson since he is eerily similar from their strict guidelines and lack of care towards their employees/students. He admits that he would prefer Jameson since he does not border in sociopathic when it comes to personality, if anything, Jameson just has bias while Fletcher is both sociopathic and ruthless. Then the similarities come around with a certain mortal who did a rather good impression as Jameson. Jameson's response however showed that he is different to Fletcher in many ways, especially on the employees part. He does care about them it is just that he has to maintain some form of order in his job, case in point: him actually defending his employees in an actual demonic invasion.
• Anger between two perfectionist types will often result with large amounts of shouting and in some cases, bragging about who got to teach better in their respective arts. It would not be a surprise that the first encounter of both Gordon Ramsey and Fletcher lead to intense shouting between the two. Then came them bragging about their teaching and how many people managed to earn their respect, with Ramsey having quite many and Fletcher having only two who are also dead. In the end, Ramsey had the better reputation as he is not willing to put other people's lives at risk for their profession while Fletcher will go tooth and nail to achieve his desired results.
• "Not quite my tempo."

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Jan 24th 2021 at 10:34:23 PM

Should we get rid of the Infidelity Index? She already has a standard trope and it's only there because your cheating heart was cut.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jan 24th 2021 at 9:31:16 AM

to both profiles

@Hamana: for both.

@Hamana: One last suggestion for Travis Bickle would be related to the West Coast cabbies, who are also taxi drivers with some screws loose, but are otherwise closer to being Thrill Seekers as opposed to being legitimately mentally unstable as Travis is.

Otherwise, to both profiles.

Edited by r-lock256 on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:40:35 AM

@Hamana: for both.

All the animals come out at night — whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

Were you rushing or were you dragging? Start counting.

By the way, Speech has a long warning page. I'll be cutting Yahtzee for a rework. Profiles that are poor/questionable quality and are prone to deletion:

• Abathur
• Kamen Rider Stronger
• Jimmy Neutron
• Juliet Starling
• Scott Steiner
• Dimitri Lousteau
• Elmer Fudd
• Ibuki Mioda
• Isaac Washington

Since I am done with those two, I plan on making a rework of the following profiles:

• Lady Maria for Beef Gate. A Cainhurst noble who were among the first of the Old Hunters, she was related to the Byrgenwerth incident until she was trapped in the nightmare. Retaining her sanity and seeing the unfortunate truth of the deeper aspects of the nightmare, she decided to guard the only entrance to that area, thus serving as the barrier between you (the Hunter) and the last area of the nightmare.
• Ludwig the Accursed for And Then John Was a Zombie. The first Healing Church Hunter was among those who rallied the Yharnamites to fight back against the beasts and founded the Healing Church Workshop. A man of legend, he is nowhere seen in game, but once you access the DLC, you see what he becomes, a horse-beast equivalent of a Nuckelavee, far from his human form. Another trope he can take instead is Karmic Transformation as clerics of the Healing Church transformed into the most hideous beasts imaginable. Ludwig is among the worst of them all.

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Jan 24th 2021 at 11:34:50 PM

Let's see what others would like to talk about, in case they are interested in saving/reworking those profiles to a better standard.

@Whirl - Like I said before, I'm abstaining on that too. Best to see what others think about your idea.

@doodslayer. I actually have a better idea for Jack Cooper and BT-7274 = Mini-Mecha. The current holder is not really a well-polished profile but Jack and BT works in other ways, such as BT having a personality and the emphasis on the pilot being an important aspect of the Mecha. It is afterall, according to BT, the most important duty of a mech like him to protect the pilot.

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Jan 25th 2021 at 12:25:05 AM

for Jack Cooper and BT-7274, as well as for the reworks of Maria and Ludwig.

Edited by WeirdWarrior on Jan 24th 2021 at 11:50:56 AM

Hold on. Who wanted Jin Sakai for Dramatic Wind? I remember someone proposing him before.

Edited by nightelf37 on Jan 25th 2021 at 1:11:58 AM

Posting these rework pre-drafts to fish some suggestions.

BTW, I could safekeep Kamen Rider Stronger, Jimmy Neutron and Elmer Fudd's profiles for future reworks, but I'll do the proposal later.

For now I also want to propose a trope change for an already reserved candidate of mine:

• Ultraman Mebius, Patron Saint of Reunion Shows
  • Reasoning: His titular series celebrates the Ultra Series' 40th anniversary and reunites several actors from the Showa continuity, such as the Ultras' hosts original actors, the voice actors of many past villains, even secondary and minor characters get reprisals as well. There's also the fact that it brings back several Kaiju that hadn't appeared in decades in the franchise's Tv series and even wraps up unfinished plotlines of the Showa Era that were cut short by actors having to leave.

This would free up Dead Person Impersonation for the taking.

Gamera is a giant and benevolent Kaiju, he protects children above all things except Earth itself, but at the same time is also characterized as capable of disregarding collateral damage in his eternal fight against the Gyaos. Lucina is a time-travelling swordswoman who took up the identity of Marth to save her father.

No-Thumbs Mode

[[folder:Gamera]]

Gamera, God of Friendliness Towards Children (Guardian of the Universe, Super Monster, The Invincible, The Last Hope, The Brave, The Absolute Guardian of the Universe, The Guardian Supermonster)

• House: Extrovert Characterization
• Greater God.
• Symbol: His shell or the Orichalcum Bead.
• Theme Music: Gamera's Song, Myth (by Bakufu Slump)
• Alignment: Neutral Good (sometimes Chaotic Good)
• Portfolio: Turtle Power, Everything's Better with Spinning, Friend to All Children, Gamera can Breathe in Space, Took a Level in Badass, Took a Level in Kindness, Anti-Hero, Playing with Fire, Guardian Entity.
• Domains: Turtles, Guardians, Power
• Allies:
  • Kaiju and Toku Deities: Godzilla (with a Friendly Rivalry), King Kong, Mothra and Mothra Leo, Anguirus, Baragon, Battra, Zilla Jr., The Ascended Ultras and Allies, The Good-Aligned Kamen Rider, Sentai Deities and Power Rangers Deities
  • Others: TMNT, Maisie Farange
• Enemies:
  • Kaiju and Toku Deities: The Gyaos, King Ghidorah, Gigan, Spacegodzilla, Destoroyah, Ultraman Belial, Alien Empera, Yapool, Shocker, Evolt, Killbus
  • Others: Black Doom, Pennywise the Clown
• Conflicting Oppinion: Bowser
• Additional Relations: The Satellite of Love Crew

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Lucina]]

Lucina, Goddess of Future Children ("Marth", Foreseer, Warrior from a Doomed Future, Defiant of Destiny, Future Witness)

^{As "Masked Marth"} 

• Lesser Goddess
• Symbol: The brand of the Exalt, or her Parallel Falchion
• Theme Songs: You May Call Me "Marth", Rival when fighting
• Alignment: Lawful Good
• Portfolio: You Gotta Have Blue Hair, Samus Is a Girl, Adorkable, The Comically Serious, When She Smiles, being a Bifauxnen, Dead Person Impersonation, Time Travel, Set Right What Once Went Wrong.
• Domains: Disguise, Renown, Identity
• Heralds: The other Future Children (Inigo, Brady, Kjelle, Cynthia, Severa, Gerome, Morgan, Yarne, Laurent, Noire)
• Allies:
  • From Ylisse: Chrom (her father), Robin, Tiki, Lissa (her aunt), Owain (her cousin), Nowi and Nah, Tharja, Sumia, Cordellia
  • Other Fire Emblem deities: Marth (whom she "impersonated"), Ike, Caeda, Sigurd and Seliph, Alm and Celica, Roy, Eliwood and Ninian, Hector and Lilina, Lyndis, the Tactician (possible aspect of Robin), Eirika and Ephraim, Corrin, Byleth
  • Others: Mulan, Pit, Silver the Hedgehog, Future Trunks, Artoria Pendragon, Squigly, Parasoul, Banadana Waddle Dee, Kirby, Palutena, Nozdormu, Serah Farron, Mario, Madoka Kaname, Link, Princess Zelda, Kouta Kazuraba, Erza Scarlet, Ryotaro Nogami/Kamen Rider Den-O, Hiro Nakamura, Emett L. Brown, Marty McFly, Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese, Whis, Ace, Shulk, Sougo Tokiwa/Oma Zi-O, Lady Oscar, Samurai Jack, The Sailor Guardians, The Ghost Trick Cast, Young Joe Simmons
• Enemies: Grima, Galeem and Dharkon, Eobard Thwane/Reverse Flash, Randall Ross, The Dahaka, Acnologia, The Fatalis Line, Smaug, Sindragosa, , Deathwing, King Ghidorah, Nightmare, Soul Edge, Dark Danny, Porky Minch, SHOCKER, Malekith, Master Xehanort, Skynet, The Gyaos, Ridley, Ganondorf, Aku
• Opposes: Homura Akemi
• Pities: Nox, Old Joseph Simmons
• Friendly Rival: Captain Falcon
• Adores: Meta Knight

[[/folder]]

Hamana wanted Jin for Dramatic Wind.

for Mebius' trope change

As someone who did Abathur, I feel he kinda need a bit of update. Plus, he's a very simplistic character so there's not much too add honestly. Although I know a Starcraft book that made Abathur an antagonist but I never read it.

Okay. Just in case, I added him on her page. Is that right?

I also think that book had Zagara as a surprisingly benevolent character there too, with an affinity for nature. That said, Abathur would not do whatever he does there since the Pantheon is forever at war and because Kerrigan is in charge.

Edited by nightelf37 on Jan 25th 2021 at 2:06:21 AM

@ Vengeful: for the trope change.

No time travel involved in her story, but Blade hails from a future that follows the bad ending of the first Azure Striker Gunvolt a 100 years after. She also was thought to be a guy before being unmasked as the long-lost sister to one of Copen's allies in that timeline. After being broken free from her brainwashing Blade turns her abilities on the Big Bad and becomes instrumental in finishing him off for good.

If I recall, Lucina and Chrom appear in the second Project × Zone so Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu would be allies.

If Dead Person Impersonation is free then I may I propose an idea for it?

Nothing There for Dead Person Impersonation

• Reasoning: An Abnormality that wears the "shells" of its victims and an apparent desire to become more and more human-like, it draws some inspiration to The Thing. When it assumes the form of the dead and tries to mimic them and their mannerisms, as though it thinks it is them. While not perfect, with the shell deforming not long after and its habit of parroting speech, it's said to grow progressively better each and every time. It's reflected in gameplay that if an Employee is killed/panics while working on it Nothing There assumes their form, and if allowed to breach the player is given ten seconds and a single bullet to find and execute the double before the disguise fails and all hell breaks loose.

The draft above says she's getting Kid from the Future

Edited by CrownlessMimic on Jan 24th 2021 at 11:02:59 AM

Is Lucina getting her trope changed? If so, then probably. If not, no, she has it right now.