Trope Pantheons Discussion

Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

Rules

Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:

When writing a profile, take note of the following:
- Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
- No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
  - You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
- When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
- You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
  - For new and reworked deities, 3 means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
  - For new and reworked deities, 4 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 5 is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
  - Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
- For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
  - For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 4 is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
- Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
- The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
- Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
- Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
- Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
- Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
  - On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
- Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
- Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
- To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
- Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

Instructions and Tips

Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

Preparing to write:
- First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
- If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
- Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
  - In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
- If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
- All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
- The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
- A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
- If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
- For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
- For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
- Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
Pantheon Content:
- Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
  - As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
- Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
- For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
For Profile Standards:
- Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
- Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
  - Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
  - On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
- Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
  - Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
- Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
  - Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

Divine Ranking System

Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

Templates

Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
For Pokémon deities only:
- Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
- Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
- Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
- Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
- Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
- Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
- Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
- Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
- Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
- Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
- Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
- Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
- Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
- The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
- The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
Domains: Things that the place has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
Domains: Things that the item has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013

#99751: Sep 1st 2017 at 10:58:37 AM

Gorilla Grodd isn't even on the Fad Super page though?

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Google "big ears"

#99752: Sep 1st 2017 at 11:09:57 AM

His reasoning was the at the time he was created, there were a lot of hyper intelligent gorilla villains as a trend. Plus the example not being listed does not discredit it.

Sure go ahead

From an indie horror game to the next, here is Aya. This profile was taken from a troper in Pending Gods

Aya Drevis, Goddess of Adorably Precocious Children

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Rank: Quasideity (Demigoddess with the Mini Chainsaw, Lesser Goddess with the Magic Water)
Symbol: A mini chainsaw and a blue bottle of perfume/white bottle of Magic Water in front of a pink bow.
Alignment: Neutral Good. Implied to be Neutral Evil when she grows up
Portfolio: Wielding a mini chainsaw with some unnerving nostalgia, able to stay relatively calm in situations that would make most adults panic, willing to save her family no matter what.
Domains: Adorableness, Calmness in Terrifying Situations, Family, Determination.
Relationships:
- Family: Monika and Alfred Drevis (Parents), Maria (Housemaid), Snowball (Pet rabbit), Ines (Stepsister)
- Allies (Non-ascended): Blonde Youth (Mad Father, possibly Dio?), Ogre(Mad Father), Ib, Garry, Mary, Viola, The Ghostbusters, Ash (Evil Dead)
- (Potential) Allies (Ascended): Sora, Kairi, The Monsters of the Undergroud
- Is opposed by: Every ghostly member of the pantheon, due to the Magic Water's ability to seal them away, possibly forever.
Has denied claims of going mad like her father, stating that she's just fulfilling a promise she made to her mother.
Refuses to attack anyone (not even The Undead!) with her Mini Chainsaw, as she doesn't like seeing people suffer.
The ghostly members of the pantheon tend to stay as far away from her as possible, as they do not want that Magic Water anywhere near them.
Has caught attention from PewDiePie, due to her ability to instantly destroy barrels and crates with her Mini Chainsaw.
Is easily bewildered by the wonders of the modern world, due to being secluded in her house all of her life. As a result, she has a hard time talking to others.

edited 1st Sep '17 12:50:17 PM by fasoman1996

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RonnieR15 Ronnie from Earth Since: May, 2013

Ronnie

#99753: Sep 1st 2017 at 2:18:05 PM

Alright I think I'm done with Larten now, unless you guys can think of something.

Larten Crepsley, Patron Saint of Vampires That Love Their Assistant(s) (Mr. Crepsley, Master Crepsley, Quicksilver, Vur Horston)

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^{Manga Adaption}

Rank: Lesser God
Symbol: A mouth full of webs.
Alignment: Neutral Good
Portfolio: Badass Red Cape, Badass Teacher, Breakout Character, Dual Wielding, Good Scar, Jerk with a Heart of Gold, Killed Off for Real, Knife Nut, Noodle Incident, Offered A Crown, Parental Substitute, Perpetual Frowner, Platonic Declaration of Love, Proud Warrior Race Guy, Senseless Sacrifice, The Only One Allowed to Defeat You, Together in Death, Withholding the Cure, Vampiric Transfusion, Can Control Spiders, Poisonous Person, Largely Illiterate
Domains: Vampires, spiders, showmanship, freak shows, familial love
Followers: Seba Nile, Darren Shan, Graf von Krolock, Darla, Lestat, Eric, Barnabas Collins, Andrew Bennet, Saya
Allies: Adrian Fahrenheight Tepes/Alucard, Arachne, Muffet, Rachnera, Mercury, Hecate, Yukiko Amagi, Zubat, Zinogre, Grey Wolf Sif, Queen Elsa, Conan, Xena, Red Sonja, James Howlett/Wolverine, Aragorn, Sora, William Shakespeare, Oscar Diggs, Kaito Kuroba, Zatanna Zatara, Albus Dumbledore
Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals.
Enemies: Dracula, Ungoliant, Pennywise, Tom Riddle/Voldemort, Adolf Hitler
Feared By: Ungoliant, Pennywise
Weirded Out By: Dracula
Observed By: The House Of Justice
Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that have various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.) other than allies, rivals, or enemies.
Respects: Marceline, Harry Potter
Pities: AHarry Potter
Opposed by: Many cats and dogs in the House of Beasts
Opposes: Arcueid Brunestud, Nazis in general
Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
High Priest: Non-ascended, but loyal character that would make a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals.
Herald: Seba Nile
Originally found wandering in the House of Vampires he quickly ascended to the god of Vampires that love their vampire son; or in his universe assistant, after the Main House discovered his history with his own assistant, the young Darren Shan.
- For those that don't know a vampire's assistant is literally just that, a human^note who assists a vampire in life. Said humans; and half-vampaneze, do this so that they can ultimately one day become a vampire themselves. During their time as a assistant the human will eventually be turned into a half-vampire^note; a process that's done by having vampire blood pumped into them through their fingernails^noteThis process is known as blooding., so long as the assistant still wishes to become a vampire. As a half-vampire they usually continue to serve as an assistant up until they become a full vampire^note normally.
Vampires are not suppose to blood human children; though exceptions are made depending on the circumstances, this is because of how protective people have become of their children in the recent century.
- Unfortunately this is something Larten is guilty of doing this, having blooded his first and only assistant Darren Shan. This fact nearly ended up costing Larten his life when he returned to Vampire Mountain alerting the Vampire Generals and Princes to what he's done. In the end they only spared him was when his assistant inadvertently gave the Vampire Princes' the idea of giving Darren a challenge^noteThe Trials of Initiation which could have ended up killing him. for Larten's life, something Larten was unhappy about, but allowed his assistant too decide.
  - Despite the case of him turning a child into a half-vampire was ultimately dropped with his life being spared^note many in the House of Justice believe that he got off too lightly and should receive a actual punishment. Thankfully though Nemesis was able to tell and reveal that he was under the influence of a more powerful being ^noteDesmond Tiny, thus resolving the issue. The House of Justice though still keeps him under observation though, just in case.
Never bring up his movie counterpart.
Fully supports Alucard's crusade to free the other vampires following Dracula and has even offered his assistance.
Is a little weirded out seeing Dracula in the pantheon, considering that he actually met Bram Stoker and may have helped inspire the creation of the character after Abraham interviewed him and the old Vampire Prince Paris.
Sometimes uses the name of his close cousin and adopted brother Vur Horston as a way to honor him after he was murdered.
- The murder of Vur is also the very event that ultimately led him into becoming a vampire.
Doesn't like Arcueid Brunestud, sure she's friendly but the fact that she fed Shiki Tohno another vampire just to be nice disturbs him greatly.
- It should be noted though that he has no problem with someone let alone humans eating a vampire; just ask The Guardians Of The Blood. The problem came from how it was done.
Because he used to work in a freak show with his preforming spider Madame Octa before his death and ascension he can sometimes be seen working with gods related to showmanship like William Shakespeare, Oscar Diggs, Zatanna Zatara and Kaito Kuroba
Befriended Arachne, Muffet and Rachnera with stories of his preforming spider Madame Octa. They were; however, disappointed to find out that he no longer has her in his possession since his assistant Darren released her in Vampire Mountain. They were disturbed though to find out that he get Madame Octa to preform by controlling her.
- Though its unknown if his ability to control spiders will work on sentient ones, it still gained him a surprising amount of fear from Ungoliant and oddly enough Pennywise for some reason.
Is hardly ever seen in his temple preferring to travel like the rest of his clan. Naturally he ended up befriending Mercury, Hecate and Yukiko Amagi because of this.
Like all vampires from his universe his blood is toxic, must eat normal food; along with human blood to survive, are forbidden to use projectile and explosive weaponry. They can also survive in sun light at least for several hours with little discomfort. Wolves, bats and rats also seem to naturally like them while cats^noteMostly of the domestic verity. and dogs seem to inherently hate them.
- Though Jake the Dog seems to be a clear exception, probably due to his friendship with Marceline.
Befriended Queen Elsa when she heard that he discovered an ice palace. He's since corrected her, for though is was certainly palace like it was actually a frozen tomb for the legendary Vampire General Perta Vin-Grahl. It did however have plenty of ice and crystal sculptures.
Being a member of a proud warrior race Larten naturally befriended several other great and honorable warriors such as Conan, Xena, Red Sonja, James Howlett/Wolverine, Aragorn and surprisingly Sora.
Nazis once tried to make a alliance with the vampires of his universe, it ended Nazis trying to capture vampires, at least until one Vancha March personally went to threaten Adolf Hitler in the dead of the night.
Fully agrees with Albus Dumbledore when it comes to his belief of doing things for the greater good.
- Upon meeting Dumbledore he learned of Harry Potter, who earned his respect and pity for Larten was also part of a rather grim prophecy. He also learned of Volde mort and quickly became his enemy both for his actions and due to his similarities with Nazis.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#99754: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:14:29 PM

@ TPPR 10: A Lovecraft work would be relatively unique for the pantheon

@ Drope: I agree with that

@ Shatterstar: Just wait until someone wants to ascend Demeter

Szilard Quates goes up today. Standard repost of Sword-Chucks,

Szilard Quates, God of Memory Assimilation

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Votes: 2(Argorian Lorekeeper, fasoman1996)
Date of ascension: 2 September
House: Memories (House of Mentalism)
Intermediate God
Symbol: His hand, pressed out to assimilate others
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Portfolio: Elderly Immortal, Arc Villain, Devours People For Their Memories And Knowledge, Evil Old Folks, Mad Scientist, A Tough Old Geezer, Desires Ultimate Knowledge And To Be The Omniscient, Jerkass, Feel No Pain, Almost Completely Indestructible, Dies By Being Consumed
Domains: Alchemy, Immortality, Greed, Knowledge, Homunculi
Followers: Chimera Ants, The Bene Gesserit, The Trill
Allies: Zouken Matou, Doctor Gero, Xehanort, Fabius Bile
Rivals: Larfleeze, Father(FMA)
Enemies: Isaac Dian and Miria Harvent, Czeslaw Meyer, Anna Marie, The Elr ic brothers, Nortrom the Silencer, Victor Von Doom, Alex Wesker
Opposed by: Every single immortal, Al Capone
Fears: Marona, The Mage of the Beginning, Pride
Lusts after: The House of Knowledge
Szilard Quates is one of the alchemists searching for immortality on the Advena Avis. A greedy man who lusts for further knowledge, he would go on a rampage and devour the immortals on the ship, gaining their memories and self. For over two hundred years he has been refining the immortality elixir, so as to gain more and more knowledge in hopes of becoming The Omniscient.
Though The Assimilator, Szilard assimilates immortals specifically. This ability was meant to give immortals an out if they tire of eternal life, but he uses it to cannibalize and add to his knowledge. To consume non-immortals he makes lesser variants in the Cure-All Elixir that give the user From a Single Cell and the inability to defend themselves from him rather than the near-Complete Immortality and The Ageless effect the Grand Panacea does.
Has attempted to distribute his concoction throughout the pantheon in hopes of assimilating members, though some forms of immortality are close enoguh to his own he doesn't need to. As such he's opposed by every single immortal, particularly Alex Wesker who was incredibly angered when he tried to exploit her desire to live forever so as to eat her. As he was active during the bootlegging period in the 1930s, Al Capone sees him as a potential threat.
Similar in many respects to the Homunculus Father. The two are really old, really mean men who are experts at making homunculi. The two are rivals for the power and wisdom of the Truth, however he fears Pride due to how he consumed Gluttony and fears he might be consumed. The Elric brothers despise him due to the similarities and his cruel treatment of his homunculi offspring reminding them of Shou Tucker.
Spends much of his time in the House of Science refining his craft, having been able to remove the sense of pain which allows him to be more resilient than his fellow immortals. He finds the work of Fabius Bile to be very useful in his studies, and is one of the few who isn't repulsed by his evil. Him and Doctor Gero have been seen working together as well, due to the latter's desire of immortality and talent with genetic engineering.
Claims that his assimilations are For Science!, that he is Above Good and Evil. Most don't buy it and is regarded as a Ghost Memory junkie, who at this point has more other people's memories than his own. He is similar to Xehanort in being consumed by a desire for knowledge no matter what the cost or what low he has to sink to. Sometimes he works with Zouken Matou in research for forms of immortality and knowledge. Because of his actions, he is watched carefully whenever he visits the House of Knowledge.
Considers Larfleeze a competitor of sorts. While Larfleeze doesn't assimilate his victim's knowledge, his Orange Lantern has enormous potential to add on to his own powers and forge an army. He tried to take it from Larfleeze, and after a Curb-Stomp Battle Agent Orange tried to make the alchemist a construct. However this only works on those he kills, and Szilard's immortality prevented him from taking him. He still desires the orange light.
Sick to his stomach with Doctor Doom, as whenever he tries to make a move to take his memories after feeding him his concoction it's a Doombot he can't do anything about it. He doesn't like Rouge because she can absorb powers and even memories much better than him, seeing her as a big threat. And with Nortrom the Silencer he wants his position and doesn't want a rival power to his own memory assimilation.
Is in living terror of the Mage of the Beginning due to possessing her killer, which naturally deters the likes of him from touching her. He fears Marona as well since her ability to destroy the souls of those who she possesses and other Powers via Possession would screw him over majorly.

Sword-Chucks (Chainblades)

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Votes: 1(nightelf37)
Date of ascension: 8 September(repost 2 and 5 September)
House: Armory
Appearance: Two swords tied at the hilt with a chain
Alignment: Stupid Good
Portfolio: Crazy Awesomeness Matched Only By Impracticability, Instant Chucks That Are Also Swords, Achievements in Ignorance, Rule of Cool
Domains: Swords and Chucks, Impracticality, Fighting, Coolness
Inventor: Fighter McWarrior
Similar artifacts: Riot Zanbar Stinger, Gopher-chucks, Gun-chucks
An expert in fighting and in stupidity, Fighter hoped to join his love of nunchaku and swords together in one weapon. Thus swordchucks came to be. Two swords attached with chains, it's lethality lies not in the swords, nor the chuck. Rather, a combination of the two. Or at least, that's how Fighter would describe it.
Some of the most Awesome, but Impractical weapons ever, though White Mage believed they could work with a larger chain. You'd either have to hold both hilts and make the chuck part irrelevant and constraining, or be at massive risk of cutting yourself into pieces with a sword flying about. Not that Fighter lets practicality or on some occasion the laws of physics get in the way.
The House of Weapons has a perverse interest in the weapon, mainly due to it's absurdity and impracticality. Some gods will, either for a joke or(more often) while very drunk test it. Sometimes use of the weapon will end disastrously, other times it will defy common sense and be an extremely effective weapon. It usually depends on what's funnier.
An extremely powerful combination if it can be mastered. A medium speed high accuracy weapon, they have the effect of a large chainsaw being thrown around in the air, and have a 5% lower fatality rate for the user. Fighter was able to wield them to fight the fire elemental Kary to a standstill, even with the fact she had six arms.
Anyone who manages to uses the weapon and survive would've perfected the basic DEX score by default, and be able to use most weapons without much difficulty. Red Mage suggests it the weapon should be called "chainblades", but Fighter argues it should be kept sword-chucks because it just sounds cooler. Interestingly Garland has a giant sword which can split into two pairs of swords connected by chains, but he refuses to compare them with something as absurd as sword-chucks.
Fighter once made wand-chucks for Black Mage, as a Christmas present which he surprisingly enjoyed due to being ludicrously destructive.

edited 1st Sep '17 5:14:59 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012

Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.

#99755: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:27:44 PM

BTW, Dehaka is a coop commander for Starcraft 2. He eats a lot of stuff and grow up to be Godzilla.

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#99756: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:31:12 PM

Speaking of Godzilla, he is now friends with Hello Kitty.

The crossovers truly are going out of hand.

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009

#99757: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:41:52 PM

And the new No More Heroes game could potentially beat it in terms of over-the-top crossovers!

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#99758: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:59:03 PM

Szilard Quates is up

Anything else I should add to these?

The Staves of Life (Genesis Device)

House: Maximum Security
Appearance: A brilliant flash of light
Alignment: True Neutral
Portfolio: Terraforming Device, Hostile Terraforming Against the Grox, Genesis Effect, Bragging Rights Reward
Domains: Life, Rarity, 42, Terraforming, Galactic Secrets
Similar artifacts: The Titan, The Genesis Device
At the center of the galaxy of Spore is Steve, a mysterious space-craft who brings enlightenment. For managing to find him, he will give 42 Staves of Life. Extremely potent terraforming devices, a single use will turn even the most barren planet into a T3 world full of life and ready to colonize with relative ease.
Able to summon a full set of randomized animals and plants to keep the new terraformed world stable. As such, it makes a good source for picking up varied creatures and plants to terraform other species. Use in the pantheon results in random members of species from the House of Beast and sub-house of Plants being summoned, which has caused some minor commotion in those members. It doesn't seem to change the terrain of altered planets however.
Has 42 uses only, and Steve isn't letting the pantheon have anymore. As such the devices mainly serve a decorative purpose and will only be used when absolutely necessary. It is unclear what relation they may have to the Answer To Life, The Universe, and Everything. Some say they're the Question (how many Staffs of Life are available), though since the universe hasn't been destroyed and replaced with something stranger yet who knows.
The Grox were utterly enraged to learn that the Staffs of Life were in the pantheon. They guard the galactic core ruthlessly in hopes no-one can have such a powerful terraforming device, and immediately tried to invade the Treasury to get rid of them. They did end up agreeing to an armistice however when it was pointed out that the Grox don't pose a severe enough threat for the pantheon to justify using on them, so long as they don't pull that stunt again.
Directly monitored by the House of Life And Death, due to their potent Genesis Effect. The Life Entity currently has a monopoly on them, and the Spring Sprite is interested in them. Because of what they are and what they represent, the Grand United Alliance of Destruction considers getting them out of the pantheon to be essential.
The Unbidden find the fruit that the Staffs of Life bring very useful for restoring planets they scourged of life so they can do so again. Sure it has only 42 uses, but they hope to figure out the secrets for an endless supply. The treasury is doing its best to prevent them getting even one Staff of Life.

Jun Manjoume, God of Useful Useless Items (Chazz Princeton, Thunder The Chazz)

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Votes: 1(Mr Doodle Noodle)
House: Abilities and Movesets (House of Gaming)
Lesser God
Symbol: The Ojama Trio card
Theme Song: His theme from Duel Academy
Alignment: True Neutral (briefly Neutral Evil under the Light of Destruction's influence)
Portfolio: The Rival, Confusion Fu, Well Done Brother Guy, Becoming Nicer Over Time, Jerk with a Heart of Gold, Spoiled Brat (initially), Able To Use Zero-Atk Monsters Well, Self-Made Man, Jerk Jock (initially), Armed Dragons And VWXYZ Monsters, Brainwashed and Crazy, No-Respect Guy
Domains: Rivals, Duel Monsters, Rich Kids, Pride(Initially)
Allies: Jaden Yuki, Asuka Tenjoin, Seto Kaiba, Katsuya Jonouchi, Luigi, Shedinja, Zubat
On good terms with: Draco Malfoy, Anzu Mazaki
Enemies: Takuma Saiou, Eliphas, YHVH, Azula
Opposes: Princess Morbucks, Jerid Messa, Iroque
Jun Manjoume (Chazz Princeton in the dub) is the Duel Academy's rich kid, coming off as a typical arrogant Jerk Jock confident in his dueling skill. Over time however he changes for the better, changing his dueling strategy to include weak as well as strong cards and being more rounded and humble. Though The Rival to Jaden, they would eventually become friends.
Initially believed that he needed strong cards, however things would change with the time he spent with the Ojama Trio spirits. The Ojama archetype are silly, ugly little critters with zero attack points and come off as total joke characters. But under the right circumstances they can be pretty effective. Notable cards are the Fusion Monster Ojama King who has 3000 defense and prevents the opponent from using three monster card spaces, or Ojamuscle which is a normal Spell card that gives Ojama King 1000 attack points for each Ojama on the field you destroy.
Due to his ability to use weak cards to his advantage, he is able to work well with Shedinja despite it being a One-Hit-Point Wonder, along with Zubat.
The first of many "Kaiba Expies" in being The Rival to the main protagonist, snobbish but proves to have Hidden Depths. He even joins Obelisk Blue, Kaiba's preferred dorm. The two seem to get along, even using the XYZ archetypes in their decks. Though he also has a lot in common with Jounouchi for that matter, who he also seems to get along with.
Has a massive crush on Askua Tenjoin(Alexis Rhodes in the dub), however it remains unrequited. He can understand where Anzu/Tea is coming from with this.
Had to deal with a complex with his brothers for some time, however he managed to overcome it and beat them with supposedly weak cards. He seems to be sympathetic towards Luigi because of this feeling of sibling inadequacy, and opposes Azula for similar reasons.
Was brainwashed for a time by the Society of Light, but managed to break out of it and get back at them for this. He wasn't happy to learn that Takuma Saiou had ascended, and the Light of Destruction laying in wait deep inside him. He suspects that Eliphas may be related, but the Knight Templar refuses to be associated with that Eldritch Abomination. He is wary of Iroque for her Heel–Face Brainwashing, though she has tried to keep his concerns at bay that the Indigo light only targets sociopaths.
Having been a Jerk Jock and spoiled rich kid in the past, he doesn't like people who remind him of this. As such he dislikes Jerid Messa and especially Princess Morbucks. However he gets along a lot better with Draco Malfoy, as while it did take Draco longer than him he eventually managed to mature and become less of a smug jerk over time.

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#99759: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:04:23 PM

Eldrake@ If we try, we can do a sic degree of Kevin Bacon with crossovers.

Everybody know that the Green Lantern teamed up with KFC Colonel.

edited 1st Sep '17 6:05:52 PM by WhirlRX

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity

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#99760: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:08:16 PM

Um... nani?

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Google "big ears"

#99761: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:20:41 PM

Hey, people read our stuff!

Who is Medb?

Uni cat

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#99762: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:26:34 PM

Chris@ I'm reading the post and I'm laughing at both my Astolfo and Jack the Ripper. They are surprised Astolfo is there and I didn't put Jackie's profile picture.

And we will all imagine Hakuma petting Astolfo's head.

Faso@ Medb is a Celtic queen who wants Cu Chulainn's dick. She also a huge sex maniac and she can't climax unless she doing it with multiple people.

Though, I think they made a mistake by including Vladimir III since it's the vampire version and Fate's version isn't a vampire.

edited 1st Sep '17 6:29:31 PM by WhirlRX

r-lock256 (Spin-off Series)

#99763: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:31:55 PM

"Six Degrees of Media Crossovers" is a bit of a hard idea for me to process. I'm also more surprised that there's non-contributors who read the Pantheon and comment on it than the fact that there's an increasing number of crossovers that sound crazy (and I'm starting to think the Pantheon is a place to see who can come up with the weirdest crossover interaction).

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#99764: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:37:20 PM

Reminder to myself Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle had a crossover with Power Rangers. Power Rangers had a crossover with Justice League. And Batman had a crossover with TMNT.

And there was the ever classic Archie meets the Punisher.

nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...

The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread

#99765: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:38:23 PM

for Chazz.

@Patrickthekid, I'll be sending over some content to you regarding your rework on the Winchesters onto your sandbox, including a new picture, nicknames, theme song (how could you forget this song?), other allies like Buffy, the SMT big shots and the Horsemen as enemies (the two are in their enemies list, and trust issues with most non-humans in general (given that they hunt those down for a living).

Carmilla, Goddess of Lesbian Vampires (Millarca, Countess Mircalla Karnstein, Assassin, Elizabeth Báthory)

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Carmilla (dark hair) with Laura (fair hair)

^{The alternate Nasuverse version, Assassin}

Potential House: Vampires and Romance
s:

Lesser Goddess
Symbol: Her cat form
Alignment: True Neutral with shades of Neutral Evil
Portfolio: Lesbian Vampire, Appeal to Nature, Byronic Heroine, can evaporate to thin air, has Super-Strength, Super-Speed, can pass through doors without needing to open them, and can turn into a monstrous cat, Evil Feels Good, embraced her vampiric existence, can walk under sunlight but is more powerful at night, lusts while bloodsucking, Stalker with a Crush, Stalking is Love, Yandere, Bury Your Gays, impaled, decapitated, burned, and ashes thrown into a river
Domain(s): Vampire, Lesbian
High Priestess: Clara Crofton, Countess Mircalla Karnstein (no relation to Carmilla herself),
Followers: Countess Marya Zaleska (Dracula's daughter), Bubbancy, Reiri Kamura, Kokoa and Akuha Shuzen, Cress, Shahrazad al-Rahman, Blackout, Sakkara/Purgatori, the Lesbian Zombies from Outer Space, Claudia Demona, Herbert Krolock, Lady Sylvia Marsh, Henry Vitzroy, Krista Starr, Arayna, Topaz Gem
Allies: the House of Vampires
Enemies: Vampire Hunters like Buffy Summers, the Winchesters
Unknown Opinion: Dio Brando
Carmilla ascended after her canonical demise in her story. Without Laura around, she just tends to her temple if she isn't wandering around for a new host to drink blood from.
In another universe, she succeeded in her "love" for Laura, as she's Carmilla's servant there. But mention the Lords of Shadow timeline at your own peril, since she doesn't like that she's written as classically straight, but even worse, Laura is her adopted vampire daughter there.
- In another universe, she and Laura are a Happily Married couple of lesbian vampires with a daughter named Bessie.
- In yet another universe, she only acts as a friend to women she targets, but has no intention of harming those she seduces. In addition, her influence on Laura is not corruptive there, and she even saves her life on several occasions.
Despite being a vampire, there a lot of things that she is that differentiates her from most conventional bloodsuckers. ^{Click here}
Marc eline is a little uncomfortable around and jealous of Carmilla, the former because of her personality in general, especially in regards to Laura, and the latter for being a daywalker.
The Nasuverse deities are aware of a different version of Carmilla who was an Assassin and her younger version as a Lancer, though they're actually Elizabeth Bathory, who served as the basis of Carmilla as a character. And those who opposed Nasuverse!Carmilla oppose this one, too.
As she's a vampire, proud of what she is, and given how traumatized she left Laura after her death, every Vampire Hunter has added Carmilla to their list, though the more moral ones do settle with keeping a very close eye on her.

Calem and Serena, Gods of Celebrated Heroes (Calem: Calme, Xavier, Calem Xavier, d, Li'l D, X, Serena: Yvonne, Serena Yvonne, Y, Both: "Looker")

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Calem (top), Serena (bottom)

Potential/New House: Celebration and Heroic Actions
s:

Demigods
Symbol: Their Mega Rings
Theme Song
Alignment: Neutral Good
Portfolio:
- Both: customizable look and fashionable, always superior to and ahead of their rivals, can utilize Mega Evolution, shades always on their hats, probably immortal, can get a nickname, uses skates instead of a bike, was new to Kalos and the newest in their group yet became the best, Vague Age
- Calem: pretty normal hairstyle, Bishōnen, Tall, Dark, and Handsome, less choice of clothes than Serena
- Serena: Dangerously Short Skirt, The Fashionista, Ms. Fanservice, Grade A Zettai Ryouiki
Domain(s): Player Character, Pokémon, Heroism, Customization
Herald: "Elio" and "Selene"
Follower: The Pokémon Uranium protagonist
Allies: Most ascended Pokémon, particularly the Kalos ones (like Chesnaught Greninja, Xerneas, and Yveltal) the Kanto Starters (Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise), and Lucario, AZ, Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny, Bianca, Wally, N
Friendly Rivals: Ash Ketchum, Red
- Rivals: Guzma
Enemies: Lysandre (their Evil Counterpart), Team Rocket, Giovanni, Ghetsis Harmonia, Cyrus, Missingno, Cruella De Vil, Pokémon Hunter J, most evil gang leaders in the House of Crime (like Vito Corleone), any genocidal deities
Opposes: The Mob
Possible aspect of: (Insert Name Here)
For five generations, despite having each taken down an evil organization (in one's case, stopped one from rising again), its player characters never really have been acknowledged for it. Calem and Serena break this trend by getting a great celebration for saving Kalos from Team Flare and becoming Pokémon Champion.
While one or the other could be the Player Character with their counterpart being the rival, both this Calem and Serena are from two alternate timelines where each of them were the Player Character, where one stopped Lysandre and saved Xerneas, and the other stopped Lysandre and saved Yveltal. They're not telling which one of them did what.
- Among those to greet them was AZ, whom they have met with on several separate occasions and even battled during their ceremony. As if to greet them, he even challenged them both, despite having lost to them before. But the gesture was enough.
As was expected, Ash briefly confused Serena for the one he has traveled with, but noticed she looked older. He then asked how many years has it been since they met, to which she clarified the confusion; she never met him. Still, she and Calem have come to see Ash (and Red) as friendly rivals.
Lysandre was not happy at all to see these two ascend, being the ones who brought about his downfall in two different timelines.
- Consequently, as they're—From a Certain Point of View—predecessors of Red, the two have come to be enemies with Cyrus, Ghetsis, and Team Rocket as well. As for Guzma, they're keeping an eye on him, although he sometimes battles them as rivals.
Calem was another victim of the Mob's, and Red sympathizes with him, having experienced the same trials, but also envies him in that there were no released Pokémon throughout his run.

edited 1st Sep '17 8:09:28 PM by nightelf37

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RokuAlhazared The Emperor Of Darkness Since: Jul, 2015

The Emperor Of Darkness

#99766: Sep 1st 2017 at 6:43:34 PM