Trope Pantheons Discussion

@Whirl RX: it was, but the animatronics in that episode were created before Five Nights at Freddy's was released. Animation Lead Time and all that.

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Anyway, with 2 and a few additions, i think i'm done with Whitemane

Sally Whitemane, Goddess of Hats That Represent Authority (High Inquisitor Whitemane, Initiate)

• : 2 (N3xus, Muundeis)
• Potential House: Hats
• Intermediate Goddess
• Symbol: Her Chapeau
• Alignment: Lawful Evil (True Neutral as a Death Knight)
• Portfolio: Ruthless Crusader named Sally, Healing Hands, A very nice looking Chapeau, Staff of Authority, White Hair, Black Heart, Combat Medic, Noblewoman's Laugh, Facial Markings, Fantastic Racism, The Fundamentalist, Light Is Not Good
• Domains: Religion, Light, Healing, Hats, Fanatism, Crusade
• Allies: William Stryker, Judge Claude Frollo, YHVH, Father Elijah
• Enemies:
  • From Azeroth: Arthas Menethil and any ascended member of the Scourge, Sargeras and The Burning Legion, Sylvanas Windrunner, Jaina Proudmoore, Uther Lightbringer, Yrel
  • Other Enemies: All Ascended Undead and Demons, regardless of Alignment; Adventurers, Johanna, Mephisto, Oyashiro, Asia Argento, Farnese de Vandimion, Sophitia Alexandra, Bayonetta, Ivy Valentine
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Alexander Anderson
• Sally Whitemane was one of the many victims of the onslaught that befell Lordaeron, where the Undead Scourge ravaged the land, murdering any living being on their way. While she survived the conflict, the young Sally swore that she would destroy every single undead and became an adept priest of the Light. She eventually became one of the Heads of the Scarlet Crusade, who like Whitemane seeked to purify Azeroth of all creature that would taint it and the Light and Whitemane eventually attained the title of High Inquisitor. Her rule and methods where ruthless and violent, eventually growing mad with power and fanatism but unknown to her she and her peers were being manipulated by the Dreadlord Balnazaar and eventually the Scarlet Crusade where taken down by the Alliance and Horde who believed their methods were getting out of hand. Whitemane herself was killed much later by a former member of the Scarlet Crusade turned undead and her power of resurrection was nullified. However, her services were required once more after the Ebon Blade revived her and turned her into one of their Horsemen. However, her ascension to the pantheon brought a much different Whitemane.
• While flattered over being chosen as a deity, Whitemane was brought back as a human to the Pantheon and that caused her to become a light devotee again and so her dedication towards the Light and The Scarlet Crusade also returned. It's implied that the behavior is due to her counterpart in the Nexus still being the High Inquisitor instead of the Death Knight and so her goals of purging the world of all that would oppose the Light returned.
  • However, she was utterly baffled that the only reason she ended up ascending is because of her chapeau given the significance of her position in the Scarlet Crusade. That hat made her a big target to adventurers looking to take it for themselves and she is very tired of their constant meddling just for a hat.
• Her organization opposses the undead and seek to purge every single one of them. The High Inquisitor has the same idea for the pantheon and has embarked in a quest to do that but was met by a lot of opposition in certain cases, since she cares little for the morality of the undead deities and sometimes she goes after those who are actually heroic. Whitemane scoffs at the idea that the mindless undead can actually be morally correct and she only cares about their destruction, ironic considering that in Azeroth she is eventually risen as a Death Knight by the Ebon Blade and she is a lot more reasonable as an undead.
  • Her biggest enemies are by far the Scourge, who are responsible for ravaging her home and turning her into what she is today. She holds Arthas with nothing but contempt and has sworn to punish him with the power the light has given her.
• Many of the deities associated with the Light have wondered why a force that is considered benevolent as the Light would consider lending its power to someone so ruthless as Whitemane, not to mention that she is considerably powerful for a priestess and her resurrection spell is infamous among adventurers. It's been theorized that the Light isn't too picky when it comes to giving power to those that would carry their will but aren't morally right while other believe that the entity that lends power to Whitemane is none other than YHVH himself.
  • This in turn made her be in conflict with the draenei Paladin Yrel and fellow user of the light, who can't believe that Whitemane uses its power for the atrocities the Scarlet Crusade has commited, prompting the High Inquisitor to scoff at the beliefs of the young draenei and that the Light is more vengeful that the Draenei would like to admit.
• As a religious figure, Whitemane is quite involved in the House of Faith, even trying to bring her fellow comrade Renault Mograine and the rest of the Scarlet Crusade. She even got involved with other less than savoury fellows like Frollo or William Stryker who like her are The Fundamentalist. Stryker even shares the same racism against any creature that isn't human.
  • She hates that most deities brush off the Scarlet Crusade as nothing but a Corrupt Church, claiming that they can't see the true purpose of the organization and that they will pay for looking down on them. Oyashiro felt pity for such a misguided soul believing the lies she was told by her superiors but Whitemane completely ignored her, refusing to listed to someone whose blood is tainted by demonic energy.
• She hates demons too, moreso after finding out that a Dreadlord secretly manipulated her order for his own gain. However, she has retained her faith in the Scarlet Crusade and so she also is very adamant in exterminating demons, Sargeras being her top priority.
• Whitemane has a reputation of being a very effective healer, even if some people think she is a bit aggressive sometimes. Her Healing Hands have reminded people of Asia Argento, who besides holding the title also used to be an important church figure with healing power that also fell victim of a demon manipulating her and making her life worse. Whitemane finds said comparison laughable, since she stated that she will never steep as low as Asia and become a demon like she did, even though the latter had no choice. Asia, while not really fond of the High Inquisitor herself, only felt pity for her because in her eyes she was as much of a puppet as she used to be and finds it ironic she would criticize Asia's transformation into a demon considering that Whitemane would eventually be revived as an undead, making the both of them Not So Different.
• She considers the world of Sanctuary to be a place of sin and would undoubtably purge the demonic entities that plague the land. She had the displeasure of meeting a few of its demonic denizens during the conflicts in the Nexus, with the Lord of Hatred Mephisto being the one she found the most repulsive, unaware that the demonic overlord feasts on her hatred for everything. Meanwhile, she looks down on the crusader of the Nephalem because she refused to work under the Scarlet Crusade and Johanna herself considers Whitemane an insane fanatic whose beliefs could bring more harm than good.
• Noticed that a few deities sound a lot like her, but she paid no mind to most of them except for a couple few. She was intrigued by Farnese de Vardimion given her past as a member of the Holy Iron Chain Knights and was dissapointed when she eventually foregone her beliefs after her experiences in the battlefield, but Whitemane has been careful with provoking her too much since Farnese's tools are similar to those that ultimately caused her death. Then there was Sophitia Alexandra, whose dedication to the Greek Gods could match that of the High Inquisitor efforts in the Scarlet Crusade, but Sophitia doesn't want to be associated with such an evil person such as Whitemane.
• A bit of a Dominatrix in both clothing and attitude, preferring to punish heretics over aiding her allies. One would say that she would easily get along with the likes of Bayonetta and Ivy Valentine but she refuses to be associated with a witch and a criminal.
• Surprisingly enough, Whitemane managed to make a good impression on Father Elijah and vice versa. While the High Inquisitor could care less about technology, she did find Elijah's dedication to make a "quieter" world to be an useful asset in the Scarlet's Crusade purge against anyone that dare oppose them and so decided to strike a deal with him. Elijah at first didn't really want to bother with her but he also saw some use in her even if she can be a bit overbearing with her devotion to the light, nevertheless they agreed to work together.
• For someone with a reputation of being ruthless and unforgiving like Whitemane, some people find it hilarious that her first name is Sally, which paints a huge contrast with her usual demeanor and attitude. She isn't bothered by her name but is so more annoyed at the people that poke fun of it.
• "Let the inquisition commence!"

Uni cat

Any child murderers? I doubt even the Highwayman would appreciate it, since killing a child was a reason he is on hell's road.

Ancestor: "Elusive, evasive, persistent... Righteous traits for a rogue."

The Highwayman, The Divine Road Robbers (Dismas)

• Demigod
• Symbol: His gun and dirk, "Bloodied Neckerchief" and a "Shameful Locket"
• Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
• Portfolio: The Gunslinger with Pistol and Dirk in hand, The Atoner for murdering a woman and child, former bandit, Scarf of Asskicking
• Domains: Highwayman, Rogue
• Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
• Superior: The Ancestor
• Allies: Flaggelant, The Hunter
• Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals.
• Enemies: The Crimson Court, The Hag
• Once a bandit that robs from wagon on the old road until a reflex on one pillage killed a woman and child, he went a quest for redemption in the Darkest Dungeon.
  • He is, once again, hired by the Ancestor in taking jobs from the dangers such as the Crimson Court and the Hag.
• He care little about Robin Hood's famed accomplishments, despite both of them being known for robbing people in the old road (even if Robin Hood is too old for the Highwayman fad). That said,
• He meets the Hunter in an expedition once. Given that they tend to favor a similar choices in weaponry and are pretty used to fighting off monsters and walking away with adverse effects on the mind, they'd make a good ally.
• It is believed that he is carrying around Dismas's severed head around the Pantheon, much to the discomfort of the other gods.
• Despite being a ruthless killer, he would never harm a woman or child as it was his accidental murder that send him on a quest for redemption. Even worse is that it is believed that said woman and child were his own wife and child.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Oct 20th 2018 at 9:52:16 AM

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115

I'm hopeing for some feedback here.

Nier, Divine Herald of Save Data Deletion (Papa/Brother Nier, Replicant Nier, Twattycake, Defender of the Innocent)

• Potential House: Game Design
• s:

• Lesser God
• Symbol: A Lunar Tear flower
• Alignment: Chaotic Good, or at least they try to be
• Theme Song: Yonah
• Portfolio: Will Kill Any Shade Just For Existing, Dark-based Magic, Multi-Melee Master, Chronic Hero Syndrome, Declaration of Protection, Destructive Saviour, Empowered Badass Normal, Goes Without A Plan And Makes One Up On The Spot, Those Who Care Not For The Consequences Of Their Actions, Held Back By Nothing (Except Sidequests), Born At September 11, Bad Powers, Good People, Super Drowning Skills, Actions Led To The Extinction Of The Human Race, Retconned From Existence
  • "Father" Nier: Papa Wolf, Knight Templar Parent, "Hardcore" Version for Western Appeal, Anti-Nihilist, Cool Middle-Aged Guy, Crusading Widower, Eyepatch After Timeskip, Expy of Guts, Face of a Thug, Good Father, Hunk, Lightning Bruiser, Overprotective Dad, A Real Man Is a Killer, Screaming Warrior, Walking Shirtless Scene
  • "Brother" Nier: Knight Templar Big Brother, Bishounen, Dissonant Serenity, Expy of Caim, Stepford Smiler before Crossing the Despair Event Horizon Multiple Times, Defaults To Katanas, Kid Hero, Mr. Fanservice, My Sister Is Off-Limits, Lost Both of His Parents, Once Whored Homself Out For Yonah's Medicine Money
• Domain: War, Destruction, Rage, Good
• Herald: Grimoire Weiss
• High Priest: The Fallen Child in the Genocide Path
• Allies:
  • Father Nier: Guts
  • Brother Nier:
• Enemies: Shades, any form of The Heartless, and any of its leaders
• Opposes: Caim and Angelus (for screwing with his world)
• In video games, the best thing about them is that you can do whatever you want. Take Your Time, get Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer, level grind, and indulge in Video Game Cruelty Potential (and wait out your punishment before doing it all over again). After all, it's nothing a little Save Scumming can't fix, right? And then there are the games that threaten to take that away, too.
  • Nier himself isn't someone who enforces this, but rather is a "victim" of this, yet his end was so It Was His Sled iconic that the Court decided to ascend Nier for Deletion as Punishment. But how do you bring back someone who was Ret-Gone? Well, that's because right before the deletion, they turned that "deletion" into a "file move", thus still removing Nier and everything about him from his world as they bring his "data" into the Pantheon and reconstruct him.
  • That said, the deities at work on bringing Nier got things mixed up so that they ended up bringing in two Niers; one is a young adult, and one is middle-aged. As it was too late to rectify this issue, and because the retrieval teams technically both brought the "correct" Nier, it was decided that they both stay. After filling them in on what the Pantheon is all about.
  • As for what is to be told about their worlds; they decided to relay the following (since some might tell them anyway out of spite): Nier's actions basically doomed the entire human race in their world to extinction. "Thankfully", there were still remnants on the moon that—millennia later—would eventually direct androids—such as 2B—to reclaim the planet from machines led by aliens (hey, millennia have passed; a lot can happen in that time). Although that turned out to be a farce perpetuated by YoRHa. The lie the Court did tell though was Yonah's (and Kainé's) fate. Rather than tell them she dies anyway to the Black Scrawl in a few years, they were instead told that she lived a fulfilling life until old age eventually claimed her.
  • As for why Yonah and their friends could not be brought here, the Court says that that was the price of sacrificing their existence; the price cannot be rendered moot. Grimoire Weiss though was fair game since he did also sacrifice himself in the final battle and is being ascended soon.
• Applies to either Nier:
  • Being from a world cursed with Endless Daytime, his first witnessing of night in the Pantheon left him in absolute awe, wishing that Yonah was here to see it.
  • Thanks to the knowledge of his world's past, he greatly despises Caim and Angelus because their coming to their world led to its inevitable end. Caim on the other hand wants his weapons back as some of Nier's findings were originally his.
  • While a good man who does good whenever he can, Nier's refusal to think about his actions tend to have some horrifying consequences. What he sees as monsters he refuses to see as possibly more than that. As such, he's often forced away by deities with more restraint.
    • On the plus side, though, he's willing to do even the most meager of tasks just for the sake of helping others.
  • -Should I put in a Matt Hardy joke here?-
  • Somehow, he can even drift with a giant boar! It needs to be seen to be believed.
  • Thanks to a certain old man, Nier is an exceptional fisherman, able to pull out all sorts of aquatic life, including sharks and ancient fish. Now in the Pantheon, this sometimes also includes the aquatic monsters the Monster Hunters hunt.
  • Has experience with having to face a ridiculous number of projectiles, though his weapons can harmlessly block them.
  • Drowns in any water deeper than his ankles. Though he'll just lose a bit of health (unless in a safe haven) and wash up somewhere nearby for their troubles. The reason why is because he never knew how to swim, since he was forbidden from coming into contact with the precious water resources.
  • Given what happened to humanity in their worlds, Berserker!Iji is reminded all too well of her own lack of thinking that also doomed hers. The worse part is that while Nier was doing it all for the sake of Yonah (with an added racism against Shades), she had "merely" sunk too deep in her rage against the invading aliens that she lost sight of her original objective; to get the invading aliens to leave Earth/Origin. By killing General Tor, the only one willing to listen (after taking a beating), the Komato responded with a full Alpha Strike.
• Exclusive to "Father" Nier:
  • -perhaps something about him and Geralt of Rivia. Both are white-haired swordsmen who are also fathers and use magic on the side. Difference is, Geralt's magic is his own, his daughter can take care of herself, and he's honorable enough to not kill a monster if it's not malicious. I don't think they'll get along, but how bad would it be?-
• Exclusive to "Brother" Nier:
  • Asuka (Alexis) avoids him since he sounds all too much like her brother Fubuki (Atticus). And given the things he's done in his world…

Test draft. I don't know too much about Kirby villains, so can you guys provide some input here?

Void Termina, God of Evil Heart Symbolism (Ende-Nil, Destroyer of Worlds, Void Termina, Essence of Chaos, Void Soul, Destruction God)

• Potential House: Symbolism
• s:

• Greater God, or even an Overdeity
• Symbol:
• Theme Song
• Alignment: True Destructive With a chance to become good?
• Portfolio: Ancient Evil, Ambiguous Relation to Dark Matter and Kirby, Astral Finale, Destroyer Deity, Greater-Scope Villain, Monster Progenitor, Omnicidal Maniac, Satanic Archetype, Sealed Evil in a Can , Walking Spoiler10 to 15 only
• Domain(s)
• Herald:
• High Priest:
• Followers: Darla Dimple, Hajime Aikawa/Kamen Rider Chalice, HIM, Jimmy Jacobs, Asdrubael Vect, Captain Rectitude, the Kabal of the Black Heart, the Love Shockers, Ricardio the Heart Guy
• Allies:
• Rivals:
• Enemies:
• Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that have various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.) other than allies, rivals, or enemies.
• Respected by/Respects:
• Pitied by/Pities:
• Opposed by/Opposes:
• Conflicting Opinion:
• Notes about your chosen deity
• Bears resemblance to Majora and Sachiel

It's time to bring Altaïr back.

Edited by nightelf37 on Oct 21st 2018 at 7:59:32 PM

TV Tropes Pantheon Group Members Database

Any more upvotes for Zussman?

Pvt. Robert Zussman, Patron Saint of Token Enemy Minorities (Zussman, Zuss, Herr Zussman)

• s: 3
• Themes: A Brotherhood of Heroes and Berga
• Demigod
• Symbol: A St. Michael Pendant, or the logo of the 1st Infantry Division
• Alignment: Lawful Good
• Portfolio: A German-born Jew serving in the US Army, Becomes his squad's translator, A victim of various war crimes by the Nazis, Capable of providing basic first aid to squadmates, Walking Spoiler, Second most important person in his game's story, And second man to the main character, Becoming a Prisoner-Of-War late in the European War, as well as slave labor
• Domains: Soldiers, Enemies, Minorities, Discrimination, World War II
• Allies:
  • All WW2-era American and British deities in the Pantheon, such as Steve Rogers
  • Other: Zophia Zawistowski (fellow victim of The Holocaust), Alex Mason
• Followers: Diethard, Emma and Momoka
• Enemies:
  • All Nazi deities in the Pantheon
  • Anyone who uses slave labor or commits war crimes on prisoners, particularly Vladimir Makarov and Raul Menendez
• Headbutting Heroes: Bismarck, Prinz Eugen, U-511
• Oppose: Gen. Shephard, Sen. Armstrong, Erik Lensherr, Captain Price
• A soldier from the 1st Infantry Division of the United States Army, Pvt. Robert Zussman hails from Chicago. Unbeknownst to the rest of his squad, at least at first, he was originally from Germany, where it's implied that he and his family moved away from to start a better life.
• He had revealed his full heritage during the Battle of Aachen, where he helped German civilians evacuate from an enemy-occupied hotel. Because of this, he received flak from several of his squadmates not long after this revelation, in particular from Sgt. Pierson.
• However, the worst he received because of his Jewish heritage was not from his squadmates, but from his time as a Prisoner-of-War. Rather than be sent to be POW camp like other American soldiers, he became a victim of The Holocaust, becoming slave labor in the dying Reich's war production scheme. And in the process, he became victim to a number of war crimes as well.
• Fortunately for him, his squadmates, refusing to abandon him even when one of them pretty much earned a ticket home, manage to find him and save him from execution by the SS.
• Unlike the other US deities from his time period, he's not from an elite unit like the Airborne, Rangers, or Marines, but from the aforementioned 1st Infantry Division, a regular US Army infantry division, but with a rather notable history for itself.
• Upon his ascension following his recovery from his entire ordeal, he decided to work with the other WW2-era US Army members in the Pantheon, particularly Lt. Mike Powell, a fellow veteran of the Omaha Beach landing. Thanks to this, he's easily persuaded by the US Ranger to help him destroy Fort Schmerzen and Der Flakturm, the two ascended Nazi strongholds currently in the Pantheon.
• Thanks to his experiences in Europe During the War, he vehemently opposes the ascended Nazis attempts at continuing their war effort in the Pantheon, particularly if it involves torturing or experimenting on prisoners-of-war,
• While he does have respect for their combat record, he refuses an offer to join The Basterds, mostly due to their...err...methods, in dealing with the Nazis. Even he's astonished by how far they're willing to go.
• Of all the deities he sympathizes with the most, none can match how much he feels pity and sympathy towards fellow Holocaust victim Zofia Zawistowski. Unlike Zussman, who was forced to become slave labor in one of the labor camps run by the SS, she was a victim of the concentrations camps, and had to make a very Sadistic Choice that unfortunately got her that spot in the Pantheon in the first place. He promises to her that he would hunt down the remaining Nazis in the Pantheon.
• Despite sympathizing with him and his own experiences During the War, he opposes Erik Lensherr, due to his very extreme methods and Fantastic Racism that makes him no better than the Nazis that wronged both of them.
• Is similarly opposed to Viktor Reznov for similar reasons.
• Not too big of a fan of Maho Nishizumi, mostly due to Panzers giving him bad memories of his tour in Europe. Unlike most other Allied soldiers, he chooses to just stay away from her rather than try anything.
• Is appalled by the actions of Makarov and Menendez, who turn out to be just as bad, if not worse, than the SS soldiers who captured and tortured him.
  • Is similarly disillusioned by the actions of his fellow Call of Duty protagonists, in particular those of Alex Mason and John Price.

The Fight Continues!

I'd like to nominate the following for ascension:

• The Prince (2008 Reboot), God of Heroes Who Perform Questionable Actions
  • Potential House: Anti Heroes (Ambiguity sub-house)
    • Reason: He undoes all of his and Elika's work at the end of the game due to his belief that Ahriman would eventually be free despite Elika's sacrifice, something that she thoroughly chews him out for afterwards.
• Elika, Goddess of Rescuing Someone From Bottomless Pits
  • Potential House: Game Mechanics (Gaming sub-house)
    • Reason: The most notable feature of her powers in the game is to save the Prince whenever he falls into bottom pits.

Also, pretty much done with Altaïr's profile. Unless there's something left to add, I think I'm done with this one.

Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad, God of Badass Long Robes (Son of Umar, Mentor)

• Intermediate God
• Symbol: The Assassin Insignia◊, specifically the Levantine Brotherhood Insignia
• Theme Song: Access the Animus, Altaïr and Darim
• Alignment: Chaotic Good
• Portfolio: Assassination, Death, Killing, Stealth, Big Good, Greater-Scope Paragon, Determinator, Secular Hero, Seeker of Knowledge, Warrior Poet
• Domain(s): Death, Illusion, Mind, Time, Love, Stealth, Combat, Knowledge, Freedom
• Allies:
  • Fellow Assassins: Ezio Auditore, Jacob and Evie Frye, Desmond Miles
  • Other Deities: Rayman, The Prince, Sam Fisher, Solid Snake, Noctis Lucis Caelum
• Enemies: The Templar Order, Shay Patrick Cormac, YHVH, anyone who opposes free will.
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork with: Night Raid
• Conflicting Opinion on: Hassan-I-Sabbah
• Born into the Assassin Brotherhood, Altaïr became Mentor after assassinating the Brotherhood's treacherous leader, Al Mualim. Through knowledge gained from an Apple of Eden, Altaïr made several discoveries and inventions that aided in the Brotherhood's improvement, as well as removing rules and rituals that he considered to be either unnecessary or outright detrimental to the Brotherhood. During his tenure as Mentor, Altaïr took the Assassins in a new, more secretive direction by dispersing them, intending for them to be spread across the world and live among the people. After evacuating Masyaf's castle when it was sieged by Mongols, Altaïr passed away shortly after sealing himself and the Apple away inside his hidden library in order to prevent anyone from finding it and abusing its power.
• Altaïr originally ascended into the pantheon as the God of Assassins. However, he decided to give the position to Ezio, as he considered him to be a better representative of the title. Altaïr would remain within the pantheon as a source of guidance to his successor.
• Having a great amount of respect for Altaïr, Ezio sought for a position for him as a deity within the Pantheon. Eventually, Altaïr was granted the title of God of Badass Long Robes, as he had almost never been seen wearing anything other than his distinctive robes during his lifetime (and was seen on only one occasion with his hood down).
• In tribute of Altaïr, many of his successors have worn his robes on occasion. Even non-Assassin deities like Solid Snake and Noctis have been seen donning his robes, which he finds very flattering.
• Altaïr is rather conflicted about his opinion regarding Hassan-I-Sabbah, particularly since his world's Hassan had been responsible for reorganizing the Assassin Brotherhood into a public organization in order to give people hope. He disapproves of Hassan's more brutal methods and willingness to go to extremes to achieve his goals, whereas Hassan is not particularly fond of Altaïr's atheism and secular worldview. However, the two ultimately respect each other's respective achievements and are both opposed to YHVH and his tyrannical approach to imposing his Law upon everyone.
• Having dealt with treacherous Assassins on previous occasions, Altaïr strongly dislikes Shay Cormac, although he is willing to admit that Shay's defection can partially be blamed on the Colonial Brotherhood's poor communication skills. His view on Haytham is a bit more mixed, as he believes that Haytham could very well have been an Assassin if he hadn't been indoctrinated into the Templar Order at a young age. Haytham, in turn, considers Altaïr to be far more sensible compared to the Colonial Assassins of his own era, as Altaïr fights to bring peace in contrast to what Haytham regards as the Colonial Brotherhood's "nonsense talk" of fighting for freedom.
• Being incapable of swimming, he tends to avoid the land of water in the House of Nature as much as possible, although his fellow Assassins have offered to teach him how to swim.
• Altaïr tends to frequently visit the Houses of Knowledge and Craft, wishing to study and learn as much as possible, as well as inventing more tools and weapons for the Brotherhood.
• Many were surprised to discover that Altaïr was quite talented at playing football, even having a super move called the "Eagle Strike". He's been known to play matches with Rayman and Sam Fisher.
• He once had a somewhat awkward run-in with Alex Mason, who initially mistook him for Mullah Rahman because their voices sound the same. Similarly, Master Chief once confused him with Robert Dalton for the same reason.
• Upon learning that there was another Altair in the pantheon, he started making an effort to not get confused with her.

Edited by TheWikiaEditor on Oct 21st 2018 at 4:25:30 AM

Thank you for the faso. Here is his last repost. A few suggestions and/or a would be appreciated. Also, for Whitemane

Gael, God of Extremely Powerful Cannon-Fodder (Slave Knight Gael, Uncle Gael, the Red-hooded man, the Dark Soul Incarnate, Artorias 2.0)

• Leitmotif: Slave Knight Gael, or alternatively, Uncle Gael
• Demigod, borderline Greater God after consuming the Dark Soul.
• Symbol: The Slave Knight set or the Dark Soul of Man.
• Alignment: Neutral Good in objectives, Chaotic Neutral/Evil after consuming the Dark Soul.
• Portfolio: Placed as a Slave Knight, Cool Old Guy, The Cavalry, Ascended Extra, the Knight to the Painter, Walking Spoiler due to consuming the Dark Soul and becoming its incarnate self, No longer a regular human, Power of the Dark Soul, Consuming the Dark Soul for the Painter's painting, Wrecked BFS, The Final Boss of the entire series.
• Domains: Slavery, Determination, Perseverance, Dark Powers, Empowerment.
• Herald: The Painter
• Allies: The Ashen One, The Vortigaunts, The Human Child (though he does envy him), The Sinner
• Not So Different from: Artorias the Abysswalker, Ludwig the Accursed, Guts
• Avoids: Manus, Father of the Abyss
• Pitied by: Sora, Finn the Human
• Under watch by: The SCP Foundation, The Light And Darkness subhouse.
• Source of Interest: Master Xehanlort, The Ancestor
• Enemies: Lord Gwyn, Sister Friede, Noob Saibot,
• An old decript man from a long age, Gael was a Slave Knight, a knight that would be put into the battlefields expected to do his duty by his masters. Few generations of constant fighting, other slave knighs fell, but not for Gael, as his newfound home (the Painted World of Ariandel), gave him further courage to live and support a lady, the Painter. When the Painter finally asked for the Dark Soul of Man, he didn't hesitate and sacrifice his life to consume the Dark Soul, in the hopes he can make the entity into a usable manifestation for the Painter. This act gave him a spot in the Pantheons, but not before many deities had to give restrictions on him and the Dark Soul.
• Just as he ascended, majority of the deities immediately separated him from his transformed self since he got out of control. To Gael’s credit though, his herald, the Painter asked for the Dark Soul, which she will use for her painting. He doesn’t mind though, as he is able to wander around the Pantheons without harm. He also says the Pantheon is a much better place than the world he has gone through.
• Has a habit of wondering around the House of Craft, possibly looking for a young, long-haired woman. He was dissappointed upon hearing that she was nowhere to be found, though he remarks that some deities are able to make worlds via painting them.
• Upon his ascension, the SCP Foundation immediately set their eyes on Gael, seeing that he became a catalyst to the Dark Soul. Worried that he may be a massive threat, the O-5 Council placed him as one of the very few non SCP deities to prioritize on, especially on two things: preventing him from consuming the Dark Soul, and making sure he never encounters Manus.
  • The House of Light & Darkness has also made sure not to let him even one step of the house due to his potential, as they know darkness was the source of his corruption. The Light based ones are willing to help combat his situation should he ever get out of hand.
• He sees alot with Ludwig, Artorias and Guts, seeing them as massive swordsmen who have gone through their harsh upbringings and eventual corruptions. Artorias however stays away from him, due to fear of the Abyss that corrupted him for a long time.
• He is also glad upon hearing that the Ashen One has ascended, since he helped him clear Sister Friede from the clutches of the Painted World of Ariandel, something he has problems doing by himself. Unfortunately, upon hearing that even she ascended alongside, he is willing to fight her again to make sure she stays dead, even if it means dying a hundred times over.
• Sora pities him to a good extent. He has seen so many corrupted Heartless, but nothing can compare than to a person who got corrupted willingly to what is essentially Humanity’s missing aspect, all while having a good purpose in his ultimatum goals. He sees a good heart in him, since he is willing to sacrifice alot for the Painter, but is worried by the fact that he become corrupted by eating the Dark Soul.
  • On the other hand, Master Xehanort is willing to use him to extract the Dark Soul for his intentions, since he can use said soul to create a new batch of Heartless. He has avoided him to make sure this never happens.
• As a slave, he enjoys the company of the Vortiguants, seeing them as former slaves who gained independence, just like him. The Vortiguants also see uniqueness in him, especially for a human.
• Out of all the deities who are interested in him, the Ancestor is the most notable. He sees Gael as a proof that humans are not different from abominations as a whole. On the other hand, he knows the Ancestor’s cruel intentions, which is why he avoids him (emphasis on try).
  The Ancestor: And here I show you all, that we are all one in the same. The undeniable truth of “humanity”, at our fingertips.
  Gael: I know your kind, and I’ve seen enough of your kind. Now leave me be.
  The Ancestor: You cannot escape madness! I have seen countless people try, and you won’t be exempted from it.
  • Noob Saibot also sees interest in him, seeing to himself that he can be a much worthy wielder of the Dark Soul, which however means killing the old man. He will not allow that to happen anytime soon.
• Gwyn went on a rampage hearing that another Dark Soul incarnate has ascended. He attempted to kill him in the first few days of his ascension, but the conflict has lessened. Still, Gwyn’s fury is high enough to send more guards to dispose of him. The Slave Knight has nothing but utter loss for the Lord of Cinder, hearing that had Gwyn not removed Humanity’s original Dark Soul using the Darksign, the entire world would have not engulfed itself into a massive cycle between Flame and Dark.
• The Human Child is someone Gael is rather envious about, seeing that his Determination helped alot with his friends, as well as being an actual power in of itself. He wishes that such a power would exist in his world, then maybe the fates of most humans wouldn’t so bad overall.
  • On his first day of his ascension, Finn the Human immediately wanted to slay him, seeing him as a dangerous person for possessing the Dark Soul. However, upon realizing his ultimate goal, and his real attitude, he grew to pity him, seeing that even an old, decreipt man has a heart at the worst times. He is even willing to help him gain what the Painter needs even though Gael mentions that he must do it himself. Even moreso with the Dark Soul, which he has dedicated himself to be the sacrificial host for it so that the essence can be used for the Painting. While sad hearing that he cannot help him in anyway, he has made an oath with the hero of Ooo: should he go corrupted once more, he and the Ashen One shall slay him and deliver the Dark Soul to his herald, to which he accepted.
  Finn: Look, I know your goals but I know there has to be another way.
  Gael: I know, but it has to be this way.
  Finn: No, but there is always another way, a third option right?
  Gael: There is none. You cannot grasp it fully with your just bare hands. A sacrifice must be needed, for the Dark Soul has to be delivered.
  Finn: Then fine! I will find a way, not everyone has to go through such suffering.
• ” What? Still here, hand it over, that thing, your Dark Soul. For my Lady’s Painting.”

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Oct 21st 2018 at 5:07:19 AM

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!

@Jack: Needs to have his iconic "HEEEERE'S JOHNNY!!" line.

@Samanosuke: Yes, I suppose perhaps there are merits for Elemental Weapon. In that case I think I will just put him in my Sandbox for others to work on too.

Edited by ChrisX on Oct 21st 2018 at 8:05:06 PM

@MVS: To answer your question, I guess Pennywise and Freddy Krueger are on his shitlist; they may be more powerful than him but that doesn't stop The Highwayman from trying. Basco to Jolokia hurts children on a regular basis and his depraved exchange methods are also enough to be opposed by the Highwayman. Handsome Jack finds him another worthless bandit which offends the Highwayman as he stopped being a bandit long ago, not to mention Jack's pettiness earn him scorn from said former bandit.

@TheWikiaEditor: Despite being on the chaotic side, Altair strongly disagrees with Lucifer's ideals as they have the potential to cause humanity's downfall, which Altair does not want and feels he is no better than YHVH. Add this in and this will prepare Altair's ascension.

Also, I approve of your Prince of Persia ideas.

@Hamana: You did a pretty good job on Gael, so .

While I'm at it, I would like to propose a rework of Tallahassee to include the rest of the Zombieland gang as the Divine Quartet of Hometown Nicknames. Reasoning? They use the names of where they are from in order to, as Tallahassee says, not get too attached to each other. That hasn't stop them from bonding anyway. Thoughts?

Edited by Muundeis on Oct 21st 2018 at 9:31:07 PM

Next time on Dr. Phil Straddles The Border...

I think we should wait until the anime finish to do that

First draft for Tamie Nogi. Any suggestions for allies, enemies, or people she would take an interest in?

Tamie Nogi, Patron Saint of Very Influential School Newspapers (Sombre Scanner)

• Theme: Extra! Extra!
• Quasideity
• Symbol: Her Nice Hat, as well as her "holy trinity" (camera, recorder, and microphone)
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: President of an extremely influential newspaper club, Almost never leaving her head bare, Going so far as to face Yakuza at gunpoint to get her story, Becoming a possible love interest through additional story content, Being a love interest outside of the "core" cast of heroines, Realizing that she's actually a potential love interest and taking advantage of it, Getting amnesia after getting hit by a sign, which she recovers from within weeks, Initially having low opinion of her small "assets", which later changes when the protagonist convinces her to embrace her size
• Domains: School, Newspapers, Clubs, Journalism, Love Interests
• Allies:
• Enemies:
• Opposes:

The Fight Continues!

Wouldn't it be better to have Prince and Elika in a single profile? Both could have the second trope

Uni cat

for Tallahassee and his companions.

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@GI Ffanny Mind putting Potholes to the houses of her allies, rivals, and enemies?

Feeling more happy with this Mona draft! Anything else I could add?

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Mona, Goddess Of Constantly Changing Jobs

• Potential House: Outlooks on Job
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• Ascension: ???
• Demigoddess
• Symbol: The Mona Pizza
• Theme Song: Mona's Pizza
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: MANY odd jobs, Drives Like Crazy, Wanting Wario of all people, a Fiery Redhead Genki Girl, having a fashion idol mother and a artist father whom she rarely sees, many a fancy dresses and hats, Foil to Wario
• Domains: Pizza, various jobs, microgames, romance
• Allies: Wario, Ashley, 9-volt and 18-volt, Grimm, Barbie, Karen Minazuki, Super Sonico, Ibuki Mioda, Miku Hatsune, Rise Kujikawa and her bandmates
• Friendly Rivalry: Speedy Gonzales
• Enemies: Courtney Gears and her bandmates
• During one of Wario's more famous attempts to make money, he has enlisted the help of several people to aid him in creating microgames. Mona is one of these people. Sure, she is a video game designer, but over the years of working for Wario, she has also been a waitress, a cheerleader, a Pizza Delivery Girl, a rock 'n' roll guitarist, an explorer of ancient temples and a Magazine Reporter. You can expect that within a year she'll probably add another job to the resume. It was for this surprisingly long resume that the redhead was allowed to ascend.
• Mona once used to be a goddess for this position, but, fittingly, she dropped it to focus on doing other odd jobs. 9-volt and 18-volt petitioned Wario to help them get her ascended once more. Wario refused on grounds that it would interfere with her working on her microgames and told them to stop worrying about her. However, he actually went behind their backs and help Mona get brought back in all by himself, saying it was just for business reasons. 9-volt and 18-volt don't know what to think of this, especially after finding out by that Wario may reciprocate his feelings for Mona.◊ For now, the two nerds have that tidbit locked away in their brains and just warmly welcomed her back.
• She also seems interested in befriending Ashley as well, giving her sympathies to her for how she is so lonely without her parents, just like how Mona rarely sees her parents. Ashley tried to brush it off saying she hates the pity, but she does find it hard to keep denying Mona's offer of visiting her whenever she's lonely.
  • She also extends this same offer and sorrow to Karen Minazuki, who is another Lonely Rich Kid who doesn't see her parents that often.
• Surprisingly, Mona has a crush on Wario of all people. Yes, THAT Wario. According to Mona, this is because of his sense of style, even citing him as her fashion icon as well as complimenting his mustache. There is also the fact that she may have gained a love for adventuring from him as well. Wario was stunned to find out how much Mona was inspired from him, before laughing it off and saying that he is the perfect role model. A couple keen gods the next day spotted Wario in a blissful, happy to pay back his employees for once with a bright smile and even brighter cheeks. He tried to get the money back the next day after realizing what happened, only to find out that his employees already spent it all. Considering that Wario’s latest attempt to get rich ended with him spending his employees’ money on food before they could claim it, it’s hard to feel sympathy for that.
• Just as she found Wario attractive and fashionable, she also confessed that she finds Grimm to be just as fabulous. His response was chuckling and commenting on how that was a first for him and that Mona was either missing some parts or that they were all made of brass.
• Has quickly set up her pizzeria shop within the House Of Food, aptly titled the “Mona Pizza”. Plenty of deities quickly fell in love with her pizza as well as her song, although question why she has allowed her rivals at “Pizza Dinosaur” to be a part of the song. Mona has her lips kept shut on the reason why. Currently, she enjoys a healthy sense of competition with Speedy Gonzales, who owns his own pizza place in the same house. Just expect them to get really into their contests.
• Due to both of them working multiple jobs and being guitarists, Mona has become fast friends with Super Sonico. She has also pointed her towards 9-volt, a fellow gamer who she thinks could get along swimmingly with.
  • She has also befriended other musicians, like Ibuki Mioda and Miku Hatsune. She does have a personal preference for fellow guitarist Ibuki however. She views Rise's band as a nice group to compete with on stage with her own band, "Mona And The Hot Slices". Meanwhile, she sees Courtney Gear's band as a bunch of jealous people who want to steal her fame, like how Vanessa did to try and sabotage Mona's band.
• Not to be confused with Plague Knight's assistant/girlfriend.

Edited by kingvideogames on Oct 21st 2018 at 9:42:16 AM

Time to rise and shine. Good morning!

What is the point of having two Princes of Persia in the Pantheon? Is it so difficult to just combine the 2008 version with this one? Sounds like a waste of tropes if you ask me.

Its a different character unrelated to the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy

Uni cat

@ Muundeis: .GIFfany could be enemies with Omegamon, who would see her as no better than Diaboromon. .GIFfany wouldn't be too fond of Diaboromon either because the latter wants to destroy the world and .GIFfany can't have that because no world equals no boyfriend. She would also try to corrupt Cortana and get her to return to her Halo 5: Guardians personalities, and the Master Chief wouldn't like that.

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@ Rmpdc: Tamie could be friends with reporters Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Also, Zussman could feel sorry for Soldier #25954 for his traumatic experiences.

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@ The Wikia Editor: I don't think the new Prince should have What the Hell, Hero?, a trope which involves the hero getting called out for acting in a morally questionable manner, not the hero acting rashly or like a jerk.

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@ Nightelf: Maybe Nier could find some common ground with Geralt in the way they treat their daughters. One of the ways Geralt can have the best in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is by letting Ciri make her own decisions, instead of overprotecting her all the time.

But there's also the fact that Nier refuses to see monsters as anything but, whereas Geralt isn't nearly as discriminatory. Also, Nier goes out of his way to help the common folk, while Geralt knows there's no real point in bending over backwards to every problem in sight. Thirdly... I got nothing.

Please help me rework Odio?

Edited by nightelf37 on Oct 22nd 2018 at 2:13:01 AM

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@Tallahasse and the rest of the Zombieland Crew? Hell yeah!

The One Who Crosses The Sky In Flames

@fasoman1996 The Bottomless Pit Rescue Service Trope refers specifically to the one who is saving someone from the fall, not to the one being rescued. I could perhaps nominate The Prince for God of Surviving Falls Into Bottomless Pits instead.

@wootzits The 2008 reboot Prince is very different from one from the Sands of Time Trilogy. He's not even a prince and is never even directly called such in-game.

@Master Hero I don't wish to spoil the game in case anyone in this thread wishes to play it at some point, but let's just say that the Prince does indeed get called out for acting in a morally questionable manner at the end of the game and the DLC continuation.

I mean, having both the Prince and Elika for that will be good enough representation. The two work as a duo and since the latter tends to save the former a lot then that's enough justification for sharing the trope

Uni cat

I am pretty sure both of them were in the Pantheon together at some point, but were deleted because it wasn't really that well made.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Also, .GI Fanny could potentially get along with White Face, given that they're both under the same trope.

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Added a little bit more for Ren. Just curious, is it OK to have this many images for a single God?

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Ren Fujii, Guardian of the Stable Life (Zarathustra, Bastard son of Krafft, The Ephemeral Moment, Guardian of the 5th Heaven, Tenma Yato, Mugen Daiguren Jigoku)

• Possible House: House of Characterization (Introvert Characterization Sub House)
• Intermediate God, Greater God when under the effect of Eine Faust Finale. Becomes an Overdeity after emanating.
• Symbol: An embellished lotus◊
• Theme Song: Einsatz and it's alternate versions
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: Treasuring the predicable life, Bringing time to a halt, Chopping off heads, Being made artificially, Being able to kill in one hit, Being absurdly fast, Having no true control over his life, Being the embodiment of his law, Being nigh impossible to hurt, Being Un-aging, The last survivor of his old world
• Domains: Time and Space, Defense, Life
• Herald: Marguerite Breuilh, Shirou Yusa, Machina
• Allies: The Living Tribunal, Asura, Hyde Kido, Ragna the Bloodedge
• Rivals: Shirou Emiya
• Enemies: Hajun, Mercurius, Lucifer, Yoshikage Kira, Dio Brando
• A high-school student from Suwahara City content with living life as it is, treasuring the brief moments he has with his friends above all else. All this comes undone however when he ends up in an argument with his best worst friend Shirou Yusa. And unknown to Ren, it is just about to get worse as he get's dragged into a massive plot involving a group of supernatural Nazi's called the Longinus Dreizehn Orden that plans to summon their leader, Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich, into our world. All while he finds out he is supposed to be someone called Zarathustra that is going to help bring it about.
• He is soon driven into an encounter with a mysterious cursed girl named Marguerite Breuilh (Marie) and the guillotine that claimed her life, becoming its wielder and Marie's partner. Despite his reluctance, Ren is left with little choice but to go along with the Orden's plan lest whatever is left of his treasured life is lost forever, since at the very least it means he will be able to face the one behind all of this.
• The guillotine he wields, Bois de Justice, appears as a large curved blade protruding from his arm that is able to harness Marie's curse and is thus able to kill anyone whose neck makes contact with its blade, regardless of regeneration or immortality.
  • His main ability, his Beri'ah, Eine Faust Ouvertüre, stemming from his desire for time to stop and preserve the days he so value, allows him to accelerate his own time effectively slowing down everything around him from his perspective.
  • Under the right circumstances he can gain an alternate Beri'ah called Eine Faust Scherzo which allows him to permanently kill the living dead, stemming from a desire of the fact that the dead should stay dead.
  • Additionally, should Ren ever crave power from Mercurius or be lost to rage and despair, his craving will distort becoming a twisted and unrestrained version of his wish, Eine Faust Finale. In this state his body will distort into a hellish mockery of his past self and will start to slow down time around him in addition to speeding up his own, all while gravity increases to unprecedented levels in the field of effect.
  • He eventually also gains the ability known as Time Armor which freezes his own state in time to a single moment, effectively rendering him immune to all damage.
• Eventually he comes to understand that he was effectively created for this entire plan and never had any real free will, only meant as a vessel for Marie and to offer Reinhard the fight he so desires, and as such have little choice but to see the plan to it's conclusion. It all culminates with him emanating his law of the ephemeral moment to counter Reinhard's law of eternal strife, in turn allowing Marie to emanate hers just as Mercurius had planned. Eventually, Reinhard meets his defeat satisfied while Marie becomes the 5th Heaven, succeeding Mercurius, while Ren continues with his life now as a time locked existence.
  • Unfortunately this would come to an end as a being known as Hajun would rise to power thanks to Marie's law, killing her and becoming the 6th Heaven. Being the sole survivor of the 5th Heavens multiverse, Ren was able to prevent to absolute destruction of everything by forcefully invoking his law, locking Hajun in his tracks and becoming a being known as Tenma Yato in the process. Ren would hold this lock for more than 8000 years, an act that would wear on his sanity until he was killed by the Eastern Expedition.
• After his ascension to the Pantheon, he can often be found in the House of Schools almost more often than he can be found in his own. This seems to largely stem from his desire to just have his regular routine.
  • Perhaps a big reason for that is due to him feeling like he is the sole normal person in a gathering of absurdly powerful nutjobs. These are feeling that perhaps have been brought forth even more so as he was summoned by the Throne forcing him to meet his former enemies, people he has had enough of for several lifetimes.
    "I swear, what kind of fucked up karma brought this on... Not only do I have to meet these guys I never wanted to see again, I have to be acquainted with people who are just as annoying. And cooperate with all of them, on top of everything? This is some kind of bullying, I tell you".
• His relationship with Mercurius is a complicated and strained one. While technically Ren's real father, his constantly scheming and controlling habits as well as being the leading cause of the whole mess that turned his life upside down has made Ren despise him, perhaps to an extent more so than even his hatred for Reinhard.
• He is a close ally of The Living Tribunal, since unlike other Gods of the Throne, he never ascended the Throne despite having the right to do so. Additionally, his desire for stability and permanence alongside his Law and past history with Hajun has lead to him being put in a favorable position as a warden and peacekeeper.
• Despite their apparent similarities at first glance, Ren can't stand Shirou Emiya, finding him a hopeless case stuck in the past with unrealistic ideals whose stubbornly refusing to accept and grow. To Ren, at the end of the day, the only ones you are likely to save are those close to you that you care about, all to preserve the life you live right now. That, and he just can't seem to bring himself to like the guy, for some reason.
• After his stint of being overwhelmed by his rage and emotions under Eine Faust Finale, Ren found an unlikely mentor figure in Asura. Given that both had shared similar experiences of losing control, it should perhaps no be a surprise. To Ren, Asura ends up being a great help for helping him control himself as well as turning the rage to something constructive.
• One guy Ren cannot stand is Lucifer, specifically the fact that he seeks to uproot the status quo, something that Ren is very defensive about. Lucifer meanwhile argues that it is a necessary evil to bring about positive change for everyone. What infuriates Ren even more is that inside, he knows that Lucifer is at least partially right given who he is up against, yet he feels he cannot allow Lucifer to have his way.
• Has really conflicted opinions on Yoshikage Kira. On one hand he finds Kira's nature as a serial killer hard to tolerate given that it was a string of murders that ruined his once peaceful life, to say nothing of the slaughters carried out by his nemesis, the L.D.O. But on the other hand he can also sympathize with him for wanting to just live a peaceful and predicable life. Further complicating his emotions regarding Kira, it was his own obsession with the peaceful life that birthed his law of eternal stagnation, something he realized could not be allowed to exist. In some ways, he kinda sees himself similar to Kira, being a pair of fools desperate to retain their comfort at the expense of the world and everyone in it.
• Ren have quite a bit of sympathy for Hyde Kido, largely stemming from their shared goal of keeping their every day life. If anything, Ren can't help but view him with a bit of envy over the fact that he doesn't let that desire consume him and be his sole driving motivation.
• Being a Cosmic Plaything like few, Ren has found some support in Ragna. And while Ren haven't had to deal with as much bad luck as Ragna, they are still able to share sentiments of not being in control of their own fates. This is further strengthened by both achieving godhood in order to save what they cared about.