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I Liked It Better When It Sucked

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"The Lamborghini; what you're saying is it would be better, if it were a bit worse?"
Clarkson to Hammond on Top Gear.
The Uncanny Valley of writing.

So Bad, It's Good can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of Camp, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough.

Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the So Bad, It's Good franchise by trying to give it a Reboot. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was Camp serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer So Bad, It's Good, but now it's So Okay, It's Average. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not so bad that it's fun to mock anymore.

This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of Good Bad Bugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope.


This is only for fans who honestly felt the original sucked So Bad, It's Good. If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits — or if nostalgia means that they just hate change — then that belongs under They Changed It, Now It Sucks! and Nostalgia Filter instead.

This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are general perceptions of a work as a whole.

Contrast Narm Charm. This is the lack — more specifically, the loss — thereof. Also see Genre Throwback, which may or may not result in one of these.

Compare It's Popular, Now It Sucks!.



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     Anime and Manga  
  • With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions entire episodes - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like Musashi Gundoh, whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.
  • The Latin American dub of Saint Seiya had a completely different (and worse, and much more fun) opening. When the series was re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.
    • Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: So Bad It's Good Intro and So Ok It's Average Intronote 
    • That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by Angra's Edu Falaschi.
  • The first dub of AKIRA was a rather freely translated English version distributed by Carl Macek's Streamline Pictures in the 1980's. However, in 2001, a new dub was recorded, featuring a fresh and more accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue, and arguably better acting... ironically, the dub was dismissed by old-school fans as inferior to the original English dub. Which is ironic, because neither director Katsuhiro Otomo, Streamline, nor even Macek were pleased with the original dub.
    • The same is true for the ancient '80s dub of Castle in the Sky, although that version isn't as widely known as its few defenders will attempt to make you believe.
  • The English dub of Angel Blade gives all the women rounded even tones... including Karin, which isn't ravingly bad per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
  • The Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to Never Say "Die". The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and Memetic Mutation) are what make people prefer it.
    • The Funimation dub of the same series, which was of similar quality (at least in its early days), also has its defenders compared to the much more polished dub of Dragon Ball Kai by the same company.
  • At one time, Netflix had the Japanese versions of the first four seasons of Digimon but they were soon removed, as most American fans prefer the cornier, Bowdlerized versions from Saban.
  • Many fans of Weiß Kreuz prefer to ignore its sequel series Weiß Kreuz Glühen, whether in spite of or because of Glühen's significantly higher production values, more serious and less episodic plot, and better dub. The change of all of the main character designs due to legal issues and the large amounts of story buildup and character development only covered on Drama CDs not available to Western audiences didn't help, but one of the major complaints regarding Glühen is that its more serious plot is too dark and depressing, and that it fails to capture the Narm Charm of the original.
  • The Viz Media dub of Sailor Moon is victim to this from people who watched the DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on YouTube, you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent. While several appreciated the re-dub with a pretty faithful translation, professional voice actors, keeping the original music, and no Cut-and-Paste Translation, many of the aforementioned purists decry the Viz Media dub as much less fun to watch. Where's the overly hammy voice acting? Where's the ridiculous American slang? The clumsy censorship? The unfitting voices? For some, the awkward localization of the original dub ironically added a whole new level of Narm Charm to a show that was already over-the-top to begin with, and it's just not Sailor Moon without it. One of the major points of contention is that the show is largely a comedy on top of being a Magical Girl Warrior adventure, and those who prefer the 90's dub argue that while the Viz dub is more faithful, the dialogue and voice direction is not as funny or memorable compared to the improvisations and liberties added by DiC. The biggest thing that fans actually miss however is the soundtrack, which even the biggest critics of the DiC dub admitted was pretty awesome.
  • Some fans of the tamer, pun-laden dub of Pokémon, were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation Pokémon Origins for not being cheesy.
  • The US finally got a DVD release of Transformers Headmasters... with only subtitles. Many fans of the original god-awful Hong Kong Dub (aired on Star TV in Asia) hated this, as it was considered the best reason to watch Headmasters... otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.

     Comic Books  
  • The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic The Tomb of Dracula was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s Nightstalkers, is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.
  • Speedball was a 60's comic character created in the 80's, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "Civil War" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on '90s Anti-Hero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.
  • Fans of The Silver Age of Comic Books often take this view towards more modern superhero stories, saying that while Silver Age stories were frequently idiotic, they were at least creative, tonally consistent, and unapologetically aimed at children, while modern superhero stories are slightly less idiotic, but went from appealing to dumb children to appealing to dumb manchildren, and turned into depressing atonal retreads in the process.
  • Since the book's rediscovery, there have been a number of attempts to "revive" the cult-favorite public-domain superhero Stardust the Super Wizard. These attempts usually aren't very popular with Stardust fans, since when you take out the badly-proportioned artwork, nonsensical plots, and the protagonist's love of wanton murder and needlessly elaborate punishment, you just have a generic superhero story where the main character has a really ugly costume. Even writers who do try to recreate those elements rarely tune into whatever insane wavelength Fletcher Hanks was on, and just come across as trying too hard to match the original.

     Fan Fics  
  • Star Trek Fan Fiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Marissa Picard story Time Speeder called Athena Prospects. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is way more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the Star Trek shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.
  • The chapters of The Prayer Warriors written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.
  • The Neon Genesis Evangelion fanfic Delta Invasion is an honored favorite among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
  • Transformers Beast Wars fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.
  • There's a side story of sorts to the infamous My Immortal, called I'm Not Okay and supposedly written by Tara's beta reader, Raven (whether it was written by a real person named Raven, an imitator, or the same writer as My Immortal is impossible to determine). It's very similar to My Immortal (obsession with goth culture, In Name Only characterization, short chapters, extremely obvious Mary Sue protagonist), but a considerable step up in terms of spelling, grammar, fidelity to the source material, and overall coherence. It ends up feeling a bit like the sort of story that My Immortal was intended to be. It's also nowhere near as famous, as said step up is only into the realm of half-functional mediocrity rather than incomprehensible failure. It didn't help that it became a Dead Fic only a few chapters in, while its counterpart made it past 40 chapters; one theory about its abandonment is that it simply wasn't as fun to write or attracting as much attention as My Immortal.


  • In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.
  • Tyra Banks's novel Modelland is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.
  • Maradonia and the Seven Bridges was edited and split into two books. The new versions have a few improvements, such as removing some of the stupidest elements in the original. This ended up ruining much of the unintentional hilarity that made the book fun to read at times, and didn't even come close to turning it into a legitimately good work. With that said, the new versions did introduce a couple of new stupid moments.

     Live Action TV  
  • One of the (many) reasons that Battlestar Galactica (1978) fans were unimpressed by the re-imagined series was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.
  • Attempts to mature Saved by the Bell into a prime-time sitcom just resulted in a rather average sitcom with no excessive wackiness.
  • The original Dragnet was much more low-key and subtly humorous than most cop shows that we see today. So when ABC tried to remake it as an extremely gritty tough-as-nails life on the street show, well... it didn't go over very well.
  • The Lost in Space movie toned down the Camp and replaced the cheesy special effects with CGI. The TV show was So Bad, It's Good, but the movie was just So Okay, It's Average at best.
  • The Sci-Fi Channel original series update of Flash Gordon suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast Corrupt Corporate Executive IN AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose most recognizable entry was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).
  • The Eurovision Song Contest is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor so bad they were good.
    • There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.
  • Invoked in one episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates... which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to mock the old encyclopedias.
  • This, combined with Narm Charm, is part of the reason why quite a few Star Trek: The Original Series fans detest the remastered episodes - it just isn't 60s Trek without analog clocks in the 23rd century and cheesy special effects. Of course, another factor is that the remastered special effects are still really obvious; it's just that they now look like crappy 90s special effects than crappy 60s special effects, and stick out like sore thumbs.
    • Many fans of the classic Star Trek weren't exactly thrilled to see the modern Trek series with the updated sets, costumes and visual effects, and more serious storylines. To them, the cheese was part of the fun.
  • Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of Red Dwarf because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.
    • Hence the reason that Red Dwarf Remastered that updated the first three series went over badly with the fanbase who felt that the titular ship looked too spit and polished for a three million year old mining vessel, constantly on the verge of falling apart even when it was new and built on the cheap. Similarly fans hated the look of the ship in Red Dwarf VIII when the errant nanites repaired the ship to its original in-universe design before the Jupiter Mining Corp slashed the budget.
  • Doctor Who:
    • Certain fans say that they prefer the low budget special effects of the original to the modern looking effects of the revival. It might be worth noting that Colin Baker accuses this of just being rose tinted glasses. According to him, nobody really liked the crappy special effects, they just tolerated them. Still, this was a big enough concern for Russell T. Davies that he deliberately tried to keep the special effects from being overly polished in order to retain some of the stylisation and Narm Charm. The same principle goes for a lot of the obviously 'bad' bits of the Classic series - cheesy synthesiser soundtracks (retro charm!), dodgy and under-rehearsed World of Ham acting (over-the-top and spontaneous!) and rushed Three Cameras look (like watching a play!), Depending on the Writer inconsistencies and Character Derailment (asks the actors and the viewer to do the work!), how large chunks of it don't exist any more (better in the imagination!)...
    • "The Mind of Evil" was lost, and the only copies that the BBC had in its collection were black-and-white copies from Australia. This meant that it couldn't be seen in colour until very recently, when it was digitally recoloured. Some fans have opined that the black-and-white version is better, as it gives the story a 'gritty' feel.
    • The BBC's nonexistent finances are clearly on display with the original Cybermen from "The Tenth Planet", which barely have any mechanical parts, are clearly just made of surgical tape, paper, and wires, have blank mouths that just kind of...hang open when they're talking, and have fleshy, organic hands because the costume designer forgot to bring the gloves they were supposed to wear. Many fans, notably including Peter Capaldi, feel that the original design is actually scarier than the later versions, which were better-made and more convincingly mechanical in nature. It's partly because their makeshift, obviously cheap, man-in-a-costume look with exposed, fleshy hands makes it much more clear that they're converted humans and partly because the bizarre design (with featureless white faces and eerie singsong voices) is much more disturbing in a nightmarish way than the more traditional robot design that came later.
  • In the mid-nineties, a Norwegian TV network briefly experimented with dubbing the first few episodes of the sitcom The Gregory Hines Show in a country where there's no tradition for dubbing foreign TV shows unless they are aimed specifically at children. After airing three dubbed episodes, the viewers were asked to vote over whether they wanted the show to remain dubbed or if they wanted the original version (the latter of which they didn't get a chance to see in advance). The audience overwhelmingly voted for the original version. Nevertheless, the original episodes only aired for a few weeks before the show was removed altogether - Possibly because once people saw the original, they realized that The Gregory Hines Show was a very bland sitcom, and the novelty of having it dubbed was the only thing that had made it remotely interesting.
  • Many fans who don't like the Steve Harvey version of Family Feud, which has enjoyed its highest ratings in decades, prefer the original Dawson or Combs versions. Then there are those who prefer the less tolerable hosts over Harvey, such as John O'Hurley and even Richard Karn. For a time, the 1994-95 season where Dawson returned was cited as the worst Feud had to offer but viewer demand prompted the former Game Show Network to air that version in reruns.

  • The Portsmouth Sinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and the results were hilarious. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.
  • The Shaggs were awful musicians when Philosophy of The World, their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good. The band were even booked to play at dances in their native New Hampshire. These later recordings are nowhere near as well known as Philosophy is, owing to them being fairly non-descript and somewhat bland. The group wasn't particularly unique once they were able to play with some level of competence. Dot Wiggin is a much better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.
  • The Most Unwanted Song was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. The Other Wiki describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening. Which was, indeed, the entire point.

  • The Comics Curmudgeon took up this line of thought sometime after Dick Tracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth".

  • One episode of This American Life entitled "Fiasco!" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of Peter Pan, and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.

  • The Broadway musical version of Little Shop of Horrors got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.
  • The original run of the musical version of Carrie was best remembered for two things: the astronomical amount of time and money poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.
  • The incredibly self-aware Screen-to-Stage Adaptation of the ironic classic Xanadu was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.
  • Plenty of fans felt that the 2011 Broadway revival of Godspell missed the point of the show— originally performed off-Broadway by newcomers and still favored by community theater groups for its simplicity—with its polished orchestrations and professional cast.

     Video Games  
  • When Final Fantasy Tactics received an Updated Re-release for the PSP as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's Narm Charm derived from poorly translated lines and decried the new translation's excessive use of Purple Prose that makes the game's already-complicated story even harder to understand. This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). (The ability to press select to see descriptions helps somewhat.) Say what you will about the PS1 version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. (Until you wonder why "Fire Bracelet" is breathing fire on you, or why you're summoning "Rich") In a slight reversal of this, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied later and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original. They also kept some "bad" translations, such as "Wiegraf" instead of "Wiglaf".

    The same thing happened with the PSP version of Tactics Ogre. To say that a part of the hardcore fanbase was... displeased with their arbitrary name changes would be an understatement. In particular, fans weren't amused when Aloser's name was changed to Arycelle - 'Aloser' was a rather obvious example of So Bad It's Good name (plus there's the hilarity in a hard boss being destroyed in one hit by 'A Loser', who happens to be a Game-Breaker), while Arycelle was viewed by many as a mere generic fantasy name. It doesn't help that Aloser's name is clearly romanized in the original SNES version's supplemental material as 'Alocer'... so 'Arycelle' isn't any more correct than 'Aloser'. But given that the SNES version was only fan-translated, and the 1998 translation was not done by Square Enix but Atlus in their infancy, this doesn't come as a surprise.
  • A chunk of the the original Resident Evil's fanbase was offput by the GameCube remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the PlayStation and GameCube versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
  • The House of the Dead series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade Narm Charm and Memetic Mutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being good in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, Overkill, employs Stylistic Suck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.
  • Star Ocean: The Second Story's Enhanced Remake got this. The fans were all saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the Enhanced Remake was announced for the PlayStation Portable. Those were perhaps the number one criticism from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the PlayStation version better, partly due to the Nostalgia Filter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the PSP version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Never mind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually forgot to record two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the Japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.
  • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and its remade dialogue in Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of Narm Charm and a Fountain of Memes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as hammy or fun to listen to.
  • Most of the retranslation of Chrono Trigger for the DS is relatively good, but some fans lamented the loss of Frog's Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe dialogue, which added to the character's status as The Comically Serious.
  • Some fans of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake prefer the hilarious borderline-Engrish fan translation of the MSX version, complete with Comic-Book Fantasy Casting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence disc.
  • When Silent Hill 2 was remastered in an "HD Collection", many fans expressed everything from annoyance to outrage at the recasting of character voices and clearer, more crisp graphics. Many made the claims that the original PS2 game's less-professional, somewhat corny voice acting was part of its charm, and the murkier graphics added to the experience of being lost in a nightmare world. The HD version did have plenty other problems too though; see Porting Disaster for the details.
  • Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing series:
    • A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the iconic "You're Winner!" image and replaces it with "You Win!". Yay.
    • Big Rigs has a sequel, named "Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!" It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.
  • Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy Earth Defense Force series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.
  • Go to any video comparison of the Nintendo 64 and Nintendo 3DS versions of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time or The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (such as these two), and you'll find the comments section full of people who prefer the crude polygonal models, dull blurry textures, poor lighting, draw distance fog, etc. of the Nintendo 64 originals, claiming that they're more "realistic", "atmospheric", "mature", etc.
  • Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was patched to remove Good Bad Bugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, Rise of Lyric was an Obvious Beta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
  • There have always been bugs of all kinds in Minecraft, the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them — until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious Epic Fail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.
  • Fans of Conker's Bad Fur Day tend to be none too fond of the remastered graphics of Conker: Live And Reloaded. They’re perfectly decent in their own right, but the original's more primitive and cartoony graphics made it fit in perfectly visually with other Nintendo 64 collectathons like Banjo-Kazooie - which was the entire point. Thankfully, when the game was brought over to Rare Replay, it was the original Nintendo 64 version, with Live and Reloaded nowhere in sight.
  • Princess Maker 2 was translated into English twice, due to the original publisher falling through. The original dialogue was a bit of a mess, but it was cheesy and fun to read. Many players dislike the new translation for fixing such mistakes as Wendy's fixation on "Magician Girls!"
  • The creators of Rainbow Six Siege have stated this of Tachanka. Widely seen as the worst character by a wide margin, he also happens to be the most popular, and much of this popularity comes from what an absolute joke he is; in a game all about mobility and flanking, his unique trick is to park himself in one spot and become a sitting duck. Add in his Husky Russkie personality and giant machine gun, and you have a recipe for a Memetic Badass and a Memetic Loser at the same time. They could probably rework him to be more useful or more fitting Siege's design, but then he wouldn't be LORD TACHANKA anymore.
  • The English names of the Maverick bosses in Mega Man X5 were changed to be references to Guns N' Roses members, which was a contentious decision back then, but the names, particularly the incredibly silly-sounding Duff McWhalen, grew on the fanbase. When the Mega Man X Legacy Collection changed their names back to the original Japanese versions, a subsection of the fanbase voiced their displeasure that Duff McWhalen was reverted to the more generic-sounding "Tidal Whale."

     Web Original  
  • TV Tropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, a stricter ban on Natter, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.
  • In the Boss Mabel vlog, Rob Walker complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a Vocal Minority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.
    • Doug Walker also mentions this in one of his out-of-character Twilight film reviews: the first two movies were So Bad, It's Good, but Eclipse was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
  • Discussed by LAG TV's hosts when fans asked them to play more Minecraft after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black failing and dying in hilarious ways, all while Screaming Like A Little Girl; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new Minecraft videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.
  • An intern wrote into the advice blog Ask A Manager because they'd been fired and were seeking recourse. The intern had noticed that a coworker typed in a way the intern considered inefficient, so the intern changed the coworker's computer setting to force the coworker to type differently. The blogger responded by telling the letter writer that changing the way someone types is going to result in an adjustment period that might cancel out any gains in efficiency (and also that an intern trying to enforce changes on actual employees was a pretty gross case of overstepping one's bounds).

     Western Animation  
  • Happens In-Universe in the Rocko's Modern Life episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. Of course it becomes a hit... until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.
  • The original Biker Mice from Mars series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with double entendres and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.
  • Super Friends is notorious for being, at times, aggressively anti-logical. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.
    • So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy feminists mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.
    • At some point in the '90s the Wonder Twins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a Darker and Edgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?
  • For some of those who like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog over Sonic Sat AM, it's like this. Adventures is Ren & Stimpy meets Sonic the Hedgehog, the perfect storm for YouTube Poop. Concurrently, Sonic Sat AM is a more serious version of Sonic that is closer to other '90s cartoons at the time. Depends whether you liked the humor or wanted a stronger narrative. Sonic Underground, by contrast, is frequently considered as the mean between the two... having neither.
  • The original Scooby-Doo had bad dialogue, low quality animation, bad jokes and ridiculous plots as the "monster's" reason for being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after when aired years after the time it's set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along removing these charming factors and making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.
  • The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) series, while it has fans, became a divisive due to this; a lot of fans were nostalgic about the goofy, silly 80 cartoon and didn't appreciate the Darker and Edgier approach of the 2003 version (despite it being closer to the original comic).
    • This is also considered the reason why the "Red Sky" Retool seasons flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the 80's cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-90's action cartoon that took itself too seriously.
  • A good chunk of Masters of the Universe fans take this view towards more modern interpretations. The 80s cartoon was solid cheese and flatly ridiculous, as a near-platonic ideal of the stupid 80s cartoon, with its blatant toy advertisement, thick Ho Yay, nonsense plots, and lovably pathetic villains. The reboots, such as the comics or the 2000s series, remove as much of this as possible... and the result is a generic piece of Sword & Sorcery about a very serious generic muscled dude with a sword fighting a very serious generic Evil Overlord, only everyone's still got names like Stinkor or Fisto.
  • Fans of The Transformers tend to favor its hokiness and absurdity over more serious modern takes. Megatron and Starscream's relationship being Like an Old Married Couple is silly, but it's a lot funnier than settings where they're supposed to be competent (not to mention, it provides lots of Ho Yay). Optimus playing basketball and trash-talking his opponents is dumb, but it gives him a lot more character than the Standardized Leader he's depicted as in modern works. The animation is more frequently Off-Model than not, but dang if it doesn't make for a good Drinking Game. Works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day (the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, Wings of Honor) tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as it usually ends up with the bland parts of a Saturday morning cartoon without the charming or funny parts.

     Real Life  
  • The takeover of Škoda by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "It's a Škoda. Honest.").
  • "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from the Badfinger song "Without You", as song by Valentina Hasan, was an internet meme, almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The So Bad, It's Good silliness was lost and it became So Okay, It's Average.
  • Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was a seedy haven for porno theaters before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in The '90s. This is the reaction of many longtime residents of gentrified cities in general.
  • As the Page Quote from Top Gear says, a car might be more fun to drive if it is dynamically worse, since cars with more power than grip will oversteer (i.e. the back end will slide around under acceleration): more dangerous on a road, but more exciting to mess about with on a track. This can also apply to videogames where the 'less good' cars can be more fun to race than the top level cars. It is for this reason that James Hunt preferred an Austin A35 for everyday driving.
  • The 1980s incarnation of Action Park in New Jersey, when it was a real life Amusement Park of Doom, has many fans who hold nostalgia for its particular brand of mayhem (drownings in the tidal pool, numerous injuries, drunken ride operators) as being part of a freer, less 'sissy' world where teenagers could learn lessons at the School of Hard Knocks rather than visiting the sanitized corporate modern day theme park.
  • In a general sense, upgrading to newer vehicles, appliances, software and whatnot can cause frustration after one has grown familiar with the various idiosyncrasies of the older tech, ironically making it harder for some people to figure out how to work with the more simplified, "user-friendly" stuff. This is especially pronounced with cars, where the increasing number of modern conveniences and digitized functions also make them significantly more difficult and expensive to repair compared to older models that relied on largely mechanical parts.
  • For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes, of course (their cheapness, the non-existence of some DVD releases, or wanting the original unaltered versions of some films); but perhaps for reasons of Nostalgia Filter, some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the true way to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000.
    • The same is true of vinyl-record collectors. Many will insist that vinyl is actually higher-quality, which is sometimes true, but only because records are usually old enough to predate the Loudness War that afflicts many modern CDs (which is the fault of marketing-driven sound engineering, not the distribution format). Record fans prefer the characteristic sound of analog vinyl playback, even though it's technically less clean and accurate than a properly-mastered CD or digital file. The sound distortion of vacuum tubes is a similar phenomenon.

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