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I've decided to start a cleanup thread for Narm, since it seems to attract a lot of misuse and complaining. Like I said in my ATT post, "some misuse is easy to catch (e.g. saying a joke is Narm when Narm by definition can't be a joke), a lot of examples fall into grey areas that seem like misuse but it's hard to tell. Like nitpicks that at first glance seem to be valid examples, but feel like stretches the more you think about them."

I think one of the main reasons for misuse is that most people aren't clear on what Narm actually is. To my understanding, it's when a scene is intended to be dramatic, but comes off as cheesy/funny unintentionally. But going by the page description, it's kind of vague what actually qualifies something as Narm. At the top, it says "Narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but due to either over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive Melodrama, or the sheer absurdity of the situation, the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny." But then later on in the same page, it gives a much more vague definition:

In CGI movies or video games unrealistic movements or facial expressions may result in Narm. Dated special effects during dramatic scenes can cause Narm for younger audience members who were raised on nothing less convincing than the Phantom Menace. Totally Radical dialog in cartoons or commercials pandering to children can also be a rich source of Narm. Even a good performance in a bad movie can evoke Narm if the actor's performance isn't enough to save the scene.
That last sentence I feel just confuses the whole thing. It makes it sound like absolutely anything can count as Narm, no matter if it works in context or not.

Most often, Narm is misused to mean "anything I personally don't think worked," whether or not it was intended as dramatic or comes off as funny. And when a work is high-profile enough, hoo boy, pretty much every scene is Narm to somebody. You can look at the Narm subpages for Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Game of Thrones and find tons of examples of people nitpicking the tiniest of details in a scene and blowing whatever it is out of proportion.

Another problem is that since it's such a subjective trope, it's not clear if there's supposed to be any sort of in-fandom consensus on the example in-question, or if every example is valid under the "it's called YMMV for a reason" excuse, even if the only person who thinks the example is Narm is the troper who adds it in.

I think it needs to be clearer whether nitpicks are valid examples of Narm, especially since nitpicking overlaps so often with barely-disguised complaining. The most frequent offenders for Narm entries I see are complaining, nitpicking, adding jokes, and ZeroContextExamples. I'm going to use Venom (2018) as an example, with my comments in bold:

  • The scene of Eddie freaking out on the medical table is presented as the teaser's Money-Making Shot. It... doesn't quite work as intended, which isn't helped by it being sped up, making it look like a parody.
    • The final trailer features a more complete version of the clip showing Venom's face "shutter" over Eddie. Whether or not this works or if it looks like a cheap special effect depends on who you ask.
    • What makes the freakout even more narmful is that Eddie's screams are different screams playing on top of each other. The actual film lacks this strange effect. This example seems fine to me, but falls into the "The trailer is Narmy but the finished product isn't" doublespeak.
  • The leaked trailer revealed some pretty terrible lines (β€œThe guy you work for is an evil person.”). Tom Hardy's horrible New York...ish(?) accent isn't doing the delivery any favors either. And it really does not help that his voice cracks on the reading of "evil person". Thankfully, that line is not in the film proper. Do we keep examples that are purely in the trailers? Also an example of "thing falls flat" instead of "thing is funny."
    • Hardy's line reading of "You're not real, you are just in my head." sounds like he's suffering from Elmuh Fudd Syndwome. At worst, he sounds like Adam Sandler's signature Manchild babbling. However there's some speculation that, based on the context of the scene and Eddie's stumbling movements, he's actually drunk, or perhaps even overdosed on medication (considering he was seen taking a bunch of pills, thinking he's sick). That and it could be a case of Reality Ensues, as it's unlikely anyone would keep the mental clarity to speak normally as an alien parasite is slowly bonding with their body. Natter. Goes back and forth between snarky complaints and defending the moment. Also nitpicking.
    • Movie trailers cutting quotes out of context to form a new sentence is nothing new, but the editing on the line "you will only hurt bad people" is particularly poor, and it's very easy to hear that the line has been cut together out of separate pieces of dialogue. Not really a dramatic thing, so I don't think it counts as Narm. And it definitely isn't funny, it just falls flat.
    • How Jenny Slate's character pronounces "symbiote" note . Plus, her giving firm, equal stress to all three syllables like she's speaking some foreign language. Luckily, this was cut from the theatrical release. Nitpicking and not funny.
    • The shot of Eddie crashing straight through a half-fallen tree in the forest that he could just as easily have ducked under comes across as more comedic than cool, as if they just needed an additional gratuitous shot of something breaking. Especially if your mind goes to Victor from Wet Hot American Summer and his inexplicable refusal to jump over anything. It really does not help that the evil bad-guy vehicle chasing him looks like a slightly modified golf cart. The context for this one in the movie is that Venom is taking control of his body and forcing him to blindly flee through the woods to escape the Life Foundation. Context makes it not-Narm. Cut?
    • Although it may look better in the context of the full scene, Eddie flying 50 feet into the air on his motorcycle off a slightly steep hill seems to rather severely break the laws of physics. Clearly written before the movie came out. Cut?
  • The Jump Scare (on both sides of the fourth wall) where Venom suddenly shouts Eddie's name as he brushed his teeth would have been much more scary if not for the fact that the latter Screams Like a Little Girl. There's also the fact that he somehow throws himself backwards so hard that he crashes into the bathroom wall. Intended as comedic, so it isn't Narm.
  • Remember how creepy and awesome that shot from the second trailer of the symbiote forming around Eddie's face in order to eat a guy was? In the third trailer, the potential Nightmare Fuel of that moment is significantly undercut by Venom slobbering all over the man's face with its tongue in an amusingly over-the-top manner. One is reminded of the scene with Patrick licking the yellow popsicle, or perhaps "This is the taste of a liar".... This seems pretty in-character for Venom. I'm not sure with this one.
    • The guy who Carlton Drake subjects to Orifice Invasion in the third trailer would have been disturbing, if not for the victim's bland expression. Moment that falls flat; not funny. Cut.
    • The symbiote's Venom-face forming on the end of Eddie's arm to talk to him strongly resembles a deranged hand puppet rather than a vicious alien parasite. There's also the fact that they can communicate telepathically, making that sequence unnecessary. Seems fine.
    • Venom's violent threats to his enemies are this if they're not aggressively tasteless Black Comedy. His threat to mutilate a man until he's "like a turd on the wind" is particularly groan-inducing, especially coming after a genuinely frightening threat. How It Should Have Ended was even driven by this to make a video on just the trailer for the very first time, in which he mangles a bunch of other sayings. Pretty sure they are intended as comedy, so it's not Narm. Cut.
  • The animation of the yellow symbiote just looks like mozzarella cheese come to life. Nitpick. Also... inaccurate? It's more of a mucus yellow.
  • After Venom heals Eddie's broken legs, he flatly states "My legs! They were broken... and now they're not broken..."
  • "HOSPITAL!!!! (extremely long pause) Now!" Zero-Context Example.
  • Eddie and Anne quite casually discussing cannibalism as one of the symbiote's favorite activities. It's something that would probably sincerely shock and disgust the average person and likely require therapy, and yet it's bandied about like it's a pretty normal occurrence. These kinds of entries are tricky to me. They seem valid at first glance, but there's something off about them. I don't think this one counts if the work itself is treating the moment lightly.
  • Any menace from Cletus Kasady is completely undercut by Woody Harrelson's truly ridiculous wig. A common comparison is that it causes him to look like a live-action Sideshow Bob, or a make-up-less Pennywise. Uses complainy word-choice. Otherwise fine.
  • Kasady promising that there will be "carnage" after he gets out is so on-the-nose that it feels like it's straight out of a parody. First off, that's not an example of Anvilicious. Secondly, this verges on a nitpick to me. I'm not sure. It's not really funny, just lame.
  • The final trade of words between Venom and Riot before the final battle is nothing but total Ham-to-Ham Combat - that and the two symbiotes happen to be Perpetual Smilers, which just gives off the feeling that they don't really give that much of a damn about their goals.
    Riot: Venom...Get in the rocket!
    Venom: No! We won't let you destroy this world!
    Riot: Then die!
Nitpicking?
  • Towards the end of the film, it's revealed that Venom used to be something of a loser on his home planet, like Eddie. This is his entire reason for wanting to save the Earth. Moment played as a joke, so it isn't Narm.
  • Despite angrily forcing Eddie to spit out cooked meats because they're no longer living animals, the symbiote develops a taste for tater tots, and it practically demands that Eddie buy some during a conversation in the ending. The director admitted in an interview that the writers just thought it was funny and put it in the script. It unfortunately invites comparisons to a similar tots-focused scene in Napoleon Dynamite as a result. Entry admits it's a joke. So it isn't Narm.
  • Drake having bonded with Riot is treated as a huge shocking twist going into the final battle... except for the fact that the audience was already well aware of it and saw the whole process. It feels very much like a consequence of Executive Meddling to give Riot more screentime. Another tricky example. Seems to fall under "scene doesn't work" instead of "scene is funny."
  • Right after Eddie is separated from the symbiote, a rather obvious ADR overdub replaces the intended "fuck you" with the much less vicious "we're done". Not really funny, just falls flat.
  • Eddie's "DRAKE! STOP!" sounds less like he's in pain and more like a little kid telling his Big Brother Bully to stop giving him a wedgie. Nitpicking. Most people wouldn't even pay this sequence any mind.

Another issue with Narm is the distinction between moments that are unintentionally funny on their own, and moments that are only unintentionally funny after Memetic Mutation or similar feat. Does the latter truly count as Narm? Because you can make the case that everything that has ever been made can fall under that.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:06:31 AM

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#1951: Nov 4th 2022 at 1:03:52 PM

[up][up]It sounds closer to Fridge Logic to me. Plus, even without that, it still sounds like a shoehorn imo.

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#1952: Nov 4th 2022 at 8:03:49 PM

Found these on YMMV.Yu Gi Oh and was wondering if they were actually valid examples that can be moved to the already existing franchise page or not:

  • Narm:
    • Tara Sands' performance as Mokuba Kaiba in the English dub can create this since most of her emotional takes don't have much inflection, particularly in earlier episodes.
    • The 4Kids localization turns what is essentially a paint-by-numbers shonen series with card games to a paint-by-numbers '80s cartoon centered around the merch. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on the fan, though overall the divide isn't as strong as for 4Kids' later work.

Edited by Oshawott337 on Nov 4th 2022 at 9:04:53 AM

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
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#1953: Nov 4th 2022 at 9:15:24 PM

[up] Those are both general examples that don't say what's supposedly funny. They just seem to list regular flaws. I think they can be cut.

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#1954: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:54:31 PM

Alright. I've already deleted the original entries, so I just won't add them to the franchise page then.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
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#1955: Nov 5th 2022 at 5:30:23 AM

Narm.Hunt Down The Freeman could use a good scrubbing.

The game's cutscenes immediately became infamous when the attempts at drama or a dark atmosphere almost immediately fall flat due to the voice acting, the models' appearances or something else entirely.The mention of "fall flat" in this header makes me a bit uneasy, but maybe I'm just looking too deeply into this.


  • In general, most of the unintentional hilarity of these moments (if not the entirety of them) comes from the desperate attempts from developers to make the game Darker and Edgier while also including obscenities, something that Valve games used to deliberately avoid, such as censoring Barney's Precision F-Strike through an explosion near the end of Half-Life 2. Here? Profanities are used without a spare, complete with tons of unnecessary violence. General example
  • The most prominent example is from the free demo, in which Mitchell violently interrogates an enemy soldier.
    (in a tone that's trying too hard to be gruff) WHERE'S GORDUN?! WHERE IS DA FREEMAN?! […] SPEAK, YOU BASTARD! I can see a case being made for this being unintentionally funny from the actor's performance, but I'm unsure.
  • Also from the demo, there's the somewhat melodramatic tale that a dying soldier tells about being forced to work in a cremator factory as a child, surrounded by the "guts" of the dead kids. For even more unintentional hilarity, he calls the taskmasters "Combines" rather than "the Combine." Unsure.
  • Another scene from the demo has several rebels executed by Cremator, who... simply burns them alive with his device, even though it has been established that their devices are spitting corrosive acid to get rid of corpses, not emitting the flame burst. This is one of the only flaws that were fixed in the final product, where Boris tells Mitchell that Cremators are indeed assigned to cleaning the place. Not unintentionally funny, just a regular flaw.
  • Just before Gordon (actually Adam) knocks Mitchell out, the latter mutters this corny line:
    Mitchell: Whatever it takes... Whoever it takes... However long it takes...before I die... I will fucking kill you. Corny line in a serious moment, so maybe?
    • The G-man later repeats the words Mitchell said during that encounter (sans the f-word), and it seems that he was impressed more by them rather than by Mitchell's defiance (though he does reveal his true motive later on). Comes off as meaningless fluff.
  • Basically everything that comes out of Mitchell's mouth post-Time Skip. Both times, even. In a rather juvenile attempt at giving Mitchell some character development, whoever wrote his script gave him incredibly long and cheesy diatribes that he spouts at the drop of a hat, prime examples of which are the Cremator factory speech and his response to Sasha calling him a hero.
    Mitchell: Hero? Heh, you're talking to a villain, my dear. The hero inside of me died...many, many years ago when I was young. While they list a specific example to prevent this from being too general, I'm still unsure.
  • Everything involving Larry, who sounds and acts like he's in a completely different game. His Inopportune Voice Cracking during the line about his mother, his Camp Gay personality, and his remark after the president's speech make him come off as comic relief that clashes with the dire tone of the Seven Hour War. General example. Maybe can be trimmed down to his remark after the president's speech if more detail about it is added?
  • The infamous scene where the President of the United States announces their surrender to the Combine. Going by everyone's reactions, it's clearly meant to be a horrific, heart-breaking scene... but the President is being played by none other than Keemstar, who doesn't put much, if any, emotional gravitas into his brief performance and just sounds like... well, Keemstar. You half-expect him to say "Leeeeet's get riiiiiight into the neeeews!" or "What is up, DramaAlert Nation?" after every line. I know Keemstar as the president is a prime WTH, Casting Agency? moment due to the hilarity of it, but it might be "humor from association" rather than the moment itself. I'd like your guy's input.
  • The infamously bad train defense sequence already sets the bar low when it starts off because some random soldier's corpse with a minigun warps in out of nowhere to give the player a weapon they need to hold off Combine Gunships for the next ten minutes. It's like the kind of thing you'd see in Garry's Mod. Maybe?
  • Just before the final holdout sequence at the end of the first arc, Nick calls Mitchell cursed and warns Captain Roosevelt that everyone with rank higher than Mitchell's had been killed. Not only is this extremely contrived, and not only does it come out of nowhere, but it is also illogical and hypocritical, since Cue and Harvey were in charge of Nick and Adam too, therefore they might be just as cursed. Mitchell doesn't even bother to call Nick out on this statement, and Roosevelt proclaims his leadership anyways. Seems like a regular flaw.
    • Even better, after the defense sequence is done, part of the ship suddenly explodes, and then Roosevelt's upper torso falls in front of the soldiers. For some reason, Roosevelt still manages to spew out his last words, now believing Nick's story, despite being blown in half:
      Roosevelt: That's not a curse... You made a deal with the devil... Here, you have it... *dies* I can see a case being made for the absurdity of the situation making it funny, but not as is.
    • Finally, as if this wasn't enough, Nick calls Mitchell the captain shortly afterwards, making the whole conflict pointless and awkward. Regular flaw.
  • During an otherwise heartfelt conversation with Boris, during which Boris expresses disgust at being forced to work for the Combine, Mitchell tells him not to be disgusted, then suddenly goes into a confusing tirade about natural balance, how the humans could have enslaved the aliens but enslaved other humans instead and thus couldn't care less about aliens, the dynamic between predator and prey, how the tables have turned against humans, then for some reason, jumps to warning Boris to enjoy his time while he can before humankind rises again and gets killed by the Combine along with him. The content of the speech aside, Mitchell delivers the monologue without a single pause, as if he'd rehearsed it a thousand times before and just performed it to a stranger for no reason. Maybe?
    • In addition, Mitchell's claim of humans going into space for resources is not only unnecessarily cynical, but also goes completely against what is currently happening in real life, at least for now, since most of space travels were done for exploration and not mindless resource harvest. Regular flaw.
    • After Mitchell's speech, Boris calls him a wise man because (or, more likely, in spite of) the nonsense he's spoken, even though his views are still a bit different. Character Shilling at it's finest. Regular flaw.
  • It's hard to not chuckle when looking at Nick after the second timeskip. In comparison to the bizarre but still passable National Guard model he had during the Seven Hour War, here, he looks like a lizard with such skin and baldness, having suddenly aged much more than he should have after 20 years. And since Adam has not changed much after the same timeskip, people began making jokes about how Adam sucked Nick's life force out to make himself look younger. I mean the entry explains itself and is about something unintentionally funny, but it might also be general. Need a second opinion.
  • Adam's reveal as being the one who assaulted Mitchell in the prologue does not work out as intended and thus becomes flat out laughable. The question of how Adam managed to get inside the HEV suit and operate it properly, Adam's role being not significant enough for the reveal to make sense, his head turning to a ridiculous angle or, most of all, the smug face he makes as he turns to the screen (which also looks like he is smiling), which all but screams "Haha I was impersonating Gordon all along, suckers!" (thus making a jab at people who had to play the game until the end) - you can pick your choice. The scene itself is a valid example, especially the weird head turn and smug grin, but the entry could use a rewrite to be less complainy.
  • The ending. Mitchell chases Adam down across the ship in an extremely laughable manner and proceeds to shoot him in the knee. Despite the wound, Adam manages to stand up. Then Mitchell pins him against a rail and shoots him multiple times, punctuating each one with another reason for hating him, culminating in the infamous "you fucked up my face" line and a cheesy "And now... you have my permission to die" before delivering the coup-de-grace in the form of a headshot that sends Adam tumbling into the ocean. The scene already reads like something from an edgy fan animation, but then factor in the fact that Mitchell's voice actor is trying way too hard to sound like a grizzled badass and Adam's voice actor plays being shot in the knee and then in the stomach four times the same way you might sound when you stub your toe, only managing a pathetic and vaguely sexual groan after each shot (especially after the fourth) and still claiming that he can explain despite having four bullets in his stomach and one in the knee. Add in some overly dramatic music and a popular meme that the reason Adam didn't die from all these shots to the stomach was because he literally needed permission to die, and it's impossible to take the scene seriously. Keep for sure. This scene is infamous for how laughable it is. The mention of the meme about literally needing permission to die might be something to cut, though.

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#1956: Nov 5th 2022 at 10:04:10 AM

[up]Here are my thoughts:

  • Agreed.
  • It seems to count, though it could be tweaked because quotes are not context.
  • The second part reads as a regular flaw (and maybe association narm) to me, though I'm unsure about the rest of it.
  • Regular flaw.
  • I feel it counts, though I think it could be rewritten.
    • That doesn't sound like it counts.
  • It reads as complaining to me, though I'm otherwise unsure if it counts.
  • What you said, though maybe the line about his mother could be its own entry if expanded upon more.
  • I'm not completely sure if that counts. If I need to state this, I'm aware of Keemstar's (in)famy.
  • I suppose?
  • I agree that's a typical flaw.
    • I guess it counts, though it'll need a rewrite.
    • What you said about it being a run-of-the-mill fault.
  • I guess.
    • Yeah, that's a regular flaw.
    • Same as the above point.
  • I don't think it's general, though I feel the last part is unneeded.
  • I agree.
  • I agree with the example being valid and that the "meme" part should go.

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#1957: Nov 8th 2022 at 9:23:47 PM

This was added in Xenoblade Chronicles 3

  • Joran's story is a full-on tragedy, but the fact that the J is pronounced like a Y, and therefore his name is pronounced closer to "Urine", rather spoils a few of his scenes.

This seems like another β€œHahaha names being pronounced like that is funny” type of misuse, but I want to make sure if it really is the case.

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#1958: Nov 8th 2022 at 10:01:49 PM

It's not really a moment, and, depending on how it's pronounced, doesn't sound like "Urine", so it can be cut.

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#1959: Nov 8th 2022 at 10:29:51 PM

[up] removed and cited this thread

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#1960: Nov 9th 2022 at 11:53:00 AM

I want to ask about The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, since I feel its Narm section is mainly being used for stealth complaining. I previously discussed this in the complaining thread a while back, but I thought I'd run it again here:


  • Narm:
    • Footage of the Italian version of the game shows how Ghirahim's line, "furious, outraged, sick with anger" ultimately turned out to be too hard to be properly translated to Italian. This is maybe fine, but I think it needs to note whether it actually reads bad in Italian. Plenty of languages are fine to native readers but feel weird when literally translated into something else.
    • While Link's Item Get! action is fine most of the time, it can look pretty silly in an otherwise serious cutscene. Which Zelda will call you out on during the the Wing Ceremony. The Item Get! pose is pretty bad in the scene where you get the Goddess Harp too. These two cited examples are the only time this happens, and in both cases the game explicitly parodies it. The entry about the Wing Ceremony is here, but the Goddess Harp bit ignores the "But now is not the time to admire it!" part in the item description text. This is an example of ignoring intentional comedy to shoehorn in a Narm example.
    • During the cutscene after Link finally meets up with Zelda in the past and she tells him The Reveal about her being the reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia Link makes a strange, wide-eyed expression that makes seem like he's looking at something shocking or disgusting instead of finally reuniting with his best friend/possible love interest and hearing the explanation for why she disappeared suddenly. This expression was so weird that it was even subject to Memetic Mutation. I mean he actually is in a shocking moment, so I don't think this counts as his emotions being misplaced. That part in the third spoiler also makes it seem like it's Link's first reaction to reuniting with Zelda, when it's actually quite deep into her subsequent explanation.
    • Link's expression whenever he hears pieces of the Song of the Hero. The fact that he closes his eyes and becomes engrossed just seems melodramatic given the context, and can even make it look as though he's peeing. He is listening to ancient dragons teach him a song that will let him get the Triforce in order to rescue Zelda. Zero clue how that is "melodramatic".
    • Whenever Fi sings, her face shakes erratically while her mouth hangs open. Many players found the animation comical, even though the cutscenes themselves are meant to convey a feeling of triumph. I think this counts; her singing doesn't really match her really static facial expression in these moments.
    • At one point of the game, Link plays the Harp in the middle of Skyloft, with Fi singing, before he inserts his sword in a lit flower circle. During this entire interactive cutscene, you can watch how the side character Parrow walks in an endless circle in the background, completely oblivious to what you are doing. I think this is an example of describing an event in abstract terms because it sounds worse that way. I believe it's implied that only Link can see the Trial Gates; he needs the Goddess Harp and Sword to open and interact with them, with help from Fi. With that in mind, this entry boils down to "person isn't that interested in someone playing music in a public plaza".
    • During the otherwise serious final battle, Ghirahim starts dancing in a bizarre way, in a circle around Zelda, while teleporting and badly humming his own theme song. He's supposed to be doing a ritual to summon Demise, but still. This doesn't explain why this is unintentionally comical. Ghirahim's arc is that he becomes increasingly desperate over the course of the game, and this fits that.

For the Italian point, we had a discussion on the merits of that here, with the conclusion being a bit indecisive. I feel only the Fi singing and maybe the one above it is valid.

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#1961: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:42:30 PM

[up] Your reasoning seems solid to me. Feel free to make the cuts as you see fit.

Dramatic Since: Jun, 2012
#1962: Nov 12th 2022 at 4:03:19 AM

[up] I will do that soon.

I also want to check the entries on Nickelback:

  • Narm:
    • "She Keeps Me Up" is a funk song. Yes, really. Could be seen as Narm Charm too if the audience's reaction is anything to go by.
    • There's also the Reggae-esque "Got Me Running Round" which features Flo Rida of all people.

These are just 'lol, Nickelback tried genre experimentation' and doesn't explain how they're Narm. It even sheepishly acknowledges that "She Keeps Me Up" was generally well received. Is this an easy cut?

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#1964: Nov 12th 2022 at 10:51:48 AM

[up][up]Those are zero-context EDIT: at best if you ask me.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Nov 13th 2022 at 10:13:38 AM

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#1965: Nov 12th 2022 at 10:52:39 AM

Both of them are just laughing at two songs, not serious moments. Cut.

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#1966: Nov 13th 2022 at 5:40:36 AM

Agreed. They're straight misuse and can be cut.

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#1967: Nov 14th 2022 at 1:00:36 PM

I hope this post isn't too long because I'm about to show two whole sections here:


Friendship is Failure
The title of this series alone should give you an idea of what you're in for. It sounds like a parody of FiM, but Mykan expects you to take his stories completely seriously.
  • Several of the names are unintentionally funny.
    • As sympathetic as he is, we again have to wonder: who names their foal "Bill Dollar"? This is not the currency of Equestria.
    • Miser's backstory reveals he has a deceased fiancée named "Twinkle Belle", a name which is hilarious enough in its own right. Also, when Miser visits her tombstone, the name is misspelled as "Tinkle Belle".
  • Like with Starfleet Magic, Mykan feels the need to shoehorn in a song from out of nowhere many times despite this being a text-based medium where such a thing doesn't work as well as it would if it were on TV.
  • Some Rouge Angles of Satin moments are pretty hilarious. In "Beast Boy in Equestria", when Beast Boy states that he and the Titans had a fight, he says that "Complete and postal fallout" wouldn't even begin to describe it.
  • Mykan's tendency to insert onomatopoeia into the writing turns any dramatic scene into a goldmine of unintentional hilarity. Special mention goes to when Miser Stash is beaten by his Abusive Dad. What should be a horrifying scene of child abuse instead plays out like a fight scene from the Adam West Batman show.
  • Why is Talon Ted so upset? Because his sister made him get a degree in acting and that hurt his "pride". And now he refuses to do anything with his life because of his bruised ego.
  • As much as we adore Cherry-Lei and Ath-Lita, Mykan's portrait of her leaves much to be desired; he clearly didn't even try to remember his own story. She already has a cutie mark in the story itself, yet she's a blank flank in the picture. She also looks like a bad Palette Swap of Fluttershy with Bon Bon's colors. While they have the same voice actress, this is really pushing it.
  • The Write a Wrong version of Stone Heart has a writing-related cutie mark: a broken pencil and pages flying out of a book. This helps make it even easier to believe his special talent is sucking at writing. Ironically enough, the Stone Heart in Write of Way has the same cutie mark and he even says outright that it's a cutie mark in bad writing, except this Stone Heart can actually write a good story. You'd think the positive reinforcement from readers of his good books (including Princess Celestia) would encourage him to climb out of his rut and turn his life around, but instead, he pulls a Talon Ted and instead starts wangsting about how it goes against his preferences and hurts his pride and dignity, pawns his paychecks off to charities so he doesn't have to look at them, and curses out the princesses for daring to pay attention to him for something he hated making. Long story short, he's a ridiculously overblown Drama King even by the usual standards of these fics.
  • In Write a Wrong, the phrase "in cold blood", which is typically used for the most heinous of actions, such as murder, is applied to...somepony getting dumped.
  • In End of Ends, during Count Logan's introduction, it is stated that his eyebrows "magically show through his mask to show his mood". An Expressive Mask isn't unheard of in media, but when the fic outright states that the eyebrows come out, it sounds even more silly than it probably should.
  • The chapter "Nightmare comes true" as part of the END OF ENDS story is chock full of this. Let's start with the fact Equestria is destroyed in this chapter. You'd expect this to be an exciting and horrifying action scene showcasing the stakes but it's ruined by multiple factors:
  • Bill Dollar's death plays out like something from a Black Comedy but Mykan expects you to take it completely seriously.
  • Several things about Helper Soul.
    • His leg. Despite being clearly paralyzed, it can still somehow feel pain. The reason it's in so much pain? Because it's meant to represent his aching heart. We get lines like "my leg is in constant pain, but not as much as my heart...!" without a hint of irony. These are the kinds of lines you hear in a bad Soap Opera, yet just like everything else, it's taken 100% seriously.
    • As Foreshadowing, his backstory reveals his own mother died of Wangst; apparently, narminess is genetic.
    • He figuratively dies from a broken heart. Unlike Bill, he doesn't even have the excuse of suffering from existing health problems; this physically healthy pony just drops dead from sheer Wangst. As if that wasn't absurd enough, he gets in a full song with his dying breath (with five different versions of the pony performing the musical number). Also, said musical number is a cover of "Christmas 1915", which is a song about The Christmas Truce. A song about two opposing sides in a war temporarily dropping the conflict and celebrating the holidays, only to continue the war as soon as the celebrations are over doesn't fit with a pony whining about not getting his way and then dying.
  • In Mykan's Hypothetical Casting for Helper Soul, he picked Samuel Vincent (one of his best-known roles is Edd). Somehow imagining his lines spoken in Double D's voice makes them more laughable.
  • Every single time he uses Sound Effect Bleeps in END OF ENDS and DARKNESS OF DIMENSIONS. There's no point in using them, since both fics have a higher age rating. Knowing Mykan, he put this in to imitate syndicated TV where major swears are bleeped out. And once again, he expects it to be taken seriously. Weirdly, he censors the F word but not the S word. It's even more egregious once you realize what these fics entail. We have civilians dying, left and right, several of which are children, sometimes in hilariously edgy ways, and the one thing he omits from his fics are uncensored uses of Precision F Strikes.
  • Every single time a character starts ranting about how much everything sucks for them, they sound more like a child throwing a tantrum. Once again, we're meant to take them seriously.
  • "The Meanie of Hearth's Warming". It's a title so silly sounding, it's hard to take it seriously. Knowing Mykan's love of referencing other TV series, it's probably supposed to be a reference to the Rugrats Hanukkah special, in which the protagonists mishear the phrase "meaning of Hanukkah" as "meanie of Hanukkah". Not that this helps, as the protagonists of Rugrats are little kids who you'd EXPECT to mishear a phrase like that.
  • Mykan's typical mistakes in writing results in this gem of a line:
    Robin: That Count Logan and his bitches will be story [sic] they came into existence, and tried to wipe out our own.
  • In End of Ends, at the scene of the final battle where everyone is powered up for the final fight, every character gets a moment to vow to save Beast Boy from being Count Logan....but it falls completely flat with the MLP characters because they don't know Beast Boy. It just hammers in how pointless they are to the plot.
  • From Beast Boy in Equestria:
  • In End of Ends, when the Mane Six and Discord realize they're probably doomed, they break out into song, leading to a very big Mood Whiplash in the form of an unnecessary, gratuitous musical number.
  • Hearth's Warming Eve Carol is chock full of this. Not only does the story manage to completely miss the point of one of the most adapted stories ever but Miser Stash's backstory is so over the top with tragedy, it becomes unintentionally funny in a Crosses the Line Twice way. This line, in particular, seems to have come straight out of a Black Comedy, especially with the punctuation:
    "Why do I keep losing things... ON HEARTHS WARMING?!! TELL ME WHY———————-!!!"
  • Darkness of Dimensions:
    • Like many of Mykan's stories, it's framed as if it were a movie. One of the ways this framing device manifests itself is by giving the Dark Angels diegetic subtitles!
    • The emotional weight of Beast Boy's parents dying is almost immediately ruined when they are referred to not as scientists, but Scientologists, an error that comes up again in the epilogue where the Cosmic Retcon causes Pinkie Pie to become a much calmer pony with a desire to become a Scientologist. You heard that right: Pinkie Pie the Scientologist. That alone is worth uproarious laughter.
  • In the crossover between Teen Titans and Equestria Girls named "HSM V Ways of Life", Mykan gives an unnecessarily long explanation for why the Teen Titans are powerless and in high school: that they've been reincarnated into new lives with no powers and will never become superheroes... or what most people would refer to as a High School AU.

My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic
Do you believe in a truly compelling and touching narrative? You do? Well, if the world of United Equestria believed as much as you do, we wouldn't have these unintentionally hilarious moments.

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  • For starters, the mere concept of Starfleet: alien pony Power Rangers. There's pretty much no way for that premise to not be inherently cheesy, which could theoretically make for a legitimately entertaining time, and yet they're meant to be taken seriously. Then Mykan starts going on Author Tracts and bashing Friendship is Magic with these characters, and the cheese factor goes through the roof.
  • The character names, which are either severely lacking in creativity or make no sense at all. Or both.
    • The Space Ponies hail from a planet called "Unicornicopia". Not only is it an awful pun, it doesn't exactly sound like the kind of place that gives birth to a society as supposedly militaristic as the Space Ponies.
    • Mykan's obsession with the word "heavenly"; "Celesto", "Leilani", and "Castor" all mean "heavenly", and that's apparently why he chose them. Not helping matters is the fact that the first of those three greatly resembles "Celestia".
      • Let's go over Celesto's name one more time, shall we? It is true that "celestial" can, in fact, mean "belonging or relating to heaven". However, the pronunciation being "CHE-les-tow" doesn't make a lick of sense; the common pronunciation for the word is "səˈlesCHəl" like Celestia's name. Adding a "ch" sound not only sounds pretentious, but also makes it come across as though Mykan thinks he's more clever than he actually is.
    • The names of some of Mykan's Author Avatars: Grand Ruler Celesto Arron Goldenite and in the Equestria Girls universe, Celesto Grandruler.
      • For that matter, "Mykan Stevens". It's bad enough that it's the most blatant of the bunch, but his pony self is named the same thing in a world where names like "Lightining Dawn", "Rhymey", "Brain", "Dyno", and "Myte" are still commonplace. Even the two parts that make up his name clash with one another; the real Mykan got his alias from his sister, who thought it sounded like an anime name, and Stevens is clearly European in nature (more specifically, German). In other words, what we have is a name with two halves that don't make a whole.
    • Just the fact that a character is named Rhymey, as if the story is basically conceding he's just a walking Verbal Tic.
    • Nightmare Moon introduces herself as "Super Nightmare Moon" in the rewrite. It's apparently meant to make her seem more threatening, but instead ends up sounding incredibly ridiculous. It doesn't get any better later on: after taking over Equestria, she renames it "Nightmarica," and her fused One-Winged Angel mode with Titan's minions is "Nightmaricus." Nightmare Moon must've taken naming lessons from Asgore or something.
      • Really, anytime the word "super" or any variation there of is added to someone or something's name to try and make it sound impressive.
    • Krysta's son, Twink. Anyone familiar with LGBT slang will likely have a field day with that one. You know, if they're not thinking of Twink from Paper Mario 64 or Rainbow Brite.
    • The Dark King's minions' names are literally just words spelled backwards. Why the Dark King chose to name his minions like that is never properly explained.
      • Esroh Dab gets it worst of all. At least the others get backwards versions of "demon", "alien", etc. His name is just "Bad Horse" spelled backwards, bringing to mind someone scolding their pet pony. It doesn't help that "Dab" usually refers to... something else.
    • The Cardinals' names are hilariously unimpressive, sometimes bordering on Fluffy the Terrible. Buster Beak? Boar Bottoms? Big Bull? Apparently, like Nightmare Moon, these baddies took lessons from Asgore. For specific examples:
      • Underdog. Whoever named this poor schmuck must've really hated him, because the name does not reflect well on its fighting ability.
      • Going back to Big Bull, he shares his name with another taurine minor antagonist from the same fanfic this Big Bull debuted in. It's truly a telling testimony to the fic's creativity.
      • Special mention goes to Baa Baa Black, whose name tries to look dark and edgy while referencing a nursery rhyme. Words cannot fully express how stupidly hilarious the end result is.
    • Some of Stammadon's minions' names leave much to be desired. Rhinotaur and Blastar/Blastra are painfully on-the-nose, Emosha is like the first two except that it's also an awful pun, Kara Shi sounds like the Japanese word for mustard (as well as resembling, even more unfortunately, the Chinese phrase for "(time to) take a dump" - ouch), Tan Shi resembles the Chinese verb "to visit", En Shi shares her name with an actual city and prefecture in China, and Rai Shi means "food container" in Japanese.
    • In "Babies Make Three", several babies are born and their names leave a lot to be desired. "Seedling" is arguably the most tolerable of the lot due to at least sounding like a pony name, and "Twilight Sparkle-Scales" is a bit on-the-nose, but "Button Fly" is just plain absurd and nonsensical (unsurprisingly, it was coined by Rhymey) and has nothing to do with anything aside from being a zero-effort rhyme with "Fluttershy", and it also sounds like something you'd find in the crotch area on a pair of Levi's 501s.
    • The natives of Firmos are heavily associated with metal, and even their appearance reflects that. That wouldn't be so bad if weren't for the fact that they're called the Fermentials. It's impossible not to think of pickled food after that.
    • In "Faith of the Blind", Starfleet meets the very on-the-nose Blisstonians, just in case it wasn't already obvious from the blurbs what kind of Hat they wear.
      • Also, two of the Blisstonians are named Primm and Prei. Real subtle, Mindia, looks like you've also been learning from Asgore.
  • The narration tends to describe a scene occurring in slow motion despite the fact that this is not a visual medium.
  • Many character designs due to how poorly edited they are. For a few specific examples:
    • Lightning's suit and armor are white like his fur, except for the shoulder pads and loin guard that turn golden when he powers up. When powered up, it unfortunately looks as if Lightning's not wearing pants or, even worse, is naked, with only shoulder pads, boots, a loincloth, wristbands, and tattoos on him.
      • The pantslessness problem also applies to Starla, Penny, Grand Ruler, Rarity, and Shining Armor, who all also have a white coat.
    • The Grand Ruler's three horns are positioned in a way that just makes them look weird and out-of-place. Also, the "Triceratops" jokes basically write themselves. Additionally, his body design is based heavily on Princess Celestia, meaning that he has a female face. He's also drawn with white skin/fur and a white spandex suit with armor over it. It kinda looks like the suit is his skin/fur and his armor only covers as low as his crotch.
    • Starla is literally just Rarity badly photoshopped into a humanoid form.
    • Distraught is basically Discord given a gaudy Palette Swap in colors that don't quite go together, making him look rather clownish. He also looks like he's wearing a Dodgy Toupee.
    • Fratello looks like a rather generic Tin-Can Robot from a '50s B-movie. Not the most threatening design for a villain.
    • Raven just looks like the Teen Titan of the same name with photo-shopped bat wings, an MS Paint pony face, and a golden Uniforce horn that really has no place being there, clashing with the rest of her colors.
    • Lightning Dawn's Enticorn form. Anyone familiar with Ben 10 (especially its Alien Force incarnation) will recognize what he based it on, never mind he clearly traced a picture of Ben himself when he created a picture of it. Also, the golden horn and Super Saiyan hair just look out of place.
    • If you look closely at the pictures of Penny Sillion and Inquerius, you'll notice that their right thumb extends as far as the other fingers and looks as if it was fused with their ring finger. Oops.
    • The staggering amount of Palette Swaps is already bad enough. The fact that some of the characters with copied designs aren't even the same species as the original takes this to a completely new level of Fridge Logic.
  • A lot of the titles for "episodes", "movies", etc. for how lacking in creativity they are.
  • Likewise, a lot of the attack names are just as lacking. "Paint Bomb?" "Leaf Swarm?" "Drill Quill?" "Boom Boom Flare?" Heck, one attack is named "Star Shower"! This fic isn't even trying to hide its lack of originality!
  • Some of the attacks themselves have laughable descriptions, such as Artie's "Paint Bomb" being a barrage of multicolored paint launched from his mouth. Which means he basically attacks by puking rainbows. Similarly, every attack Cookie Dough uses in his one fight scene (which was given to Artie in the rewrite, making it marginally better) is too cartoonish to be taken seriously, involving cream pies, eggs, and an egg whisk.
  • Also, the transformation phrases and Transformation Name Announcements because of how unoriginal and ridiculous sounding they are. The worst of these are Buddy Rose's "Power of Fauna" (which should be "Flora"), and Rhymey's "I summon from within, the Power of Wind" for being so blatantly different from the others that it barely even fits with the rest. That, and it's easy to misinterpret it as another type of wind from within.
  • How poorly choreographed the fight scenes are. They basically boil down to: Lightning running at the bad guy and getting owned, both sides shouting silly attack names at each other with said attacks not really doing anything until the plot wants them to, the bad guys falling victim to a Deus ex Machina when they have the heroes on the ropes, and Lightning coming in to Kill Steal after kind of just standing there for most of the fight. So Bad, It's Good the first time you read one, mind-numbingly boring for the next fifteen.
  • Mykan loves to pepper the narration with onomatopoeia, and as such, a lot of scenes that were meant to be epic or dramatic... aren't. Take Fratello's Heroic Sacrifice in Starfleet Events, for example:
    Upon contact, the bomb inside him exploded in a huge BAM, trigging the eruption of the volcano, and caused the main reactor to explode in one might huge BOOM!!note 
  • The militaristic Space Ponies evidently teach their soldiers how to dance and sing, often spontaneously bursting into choreographed musical numbers when one of the main cast starts a song.
    • In 'Dance-Dance Solution', it's revealed by Star Swift that dancing really is part of Starfleet's training regiment.
  • Mykan's song choices are just odd. The original has examples like Barney & Friends, and even then you get songs from Sesame Street, High School Musical, and Today's Special (his personal favorite). Regardless of whether or not you like these works, it's kind of jarring to hear them in what's supposed to be an action-oriented story (for reference, just try picturing any iteration of the Power Rangers singing a Barney song).
  • Mykan's tendacy to place incredibly immature sounding similes into the narration. It can be rather awkward reading about how characters are going to get "crushed" like "pancakes" or "grapes" in what is supposed to be a serious scene.
  • Lightning frequently uses the exclamation "Galloping Galaxies!" It's one of those lines you'd expect from a Saturday morning cartoon with copious amounts of Ham and Cheese, which isn't much of a problem until it shows up in a scene that's supposed to be taken seriously, thereby deflating any possible drama built up beforehand.
  • The villains creating one-shot monsters out of whatever happens to be nearby occasionally has just plain silly results. Such as a hot-air balloon, a bunch of make-up wands and personal mirrors, and a hot pot.
  • Mykan states that he despises Twilight Sparkle for forcing everyone to be friends with each other. However, Starfleet is perfectly sane and rational by forcing everyone to change their species, their way of speech, worship their new god-dictator without question, and submit to their new government with every single naysayer being either locked in an asylum, or brainwashed into agreeing. Moral Myopia doesn't even begin to cover this, and it makes his paragraphs long rant about how she's such a demonic soulless witch for wanting people to be nice to each other look utterly melodramatic.
  • In relation to the above, Mykan's most hated character of the lot is Princess Cadance. Why is this, you may ask? Because she's Happily Married, Beast Boy and Davis Motomiya didn't get with Terra and Kari respectively, and he made a personal vow never to fall in love even in his adult years because he's afraid of rejection. Somehow, Cadance having a husband goes against his entire worldview. And yet somehow, it's okay for Lightning Dawn and Starla Shine to have a relationship and eventually wed, and it's also perfectly fine for him to ship Rhymey with Fluttershy, Celesto with Celestia, Artie Bristles with Sunset Shimmer, Spike with Rarity, and Buddy Rose with Tree Hugger. Just the sheer fact that he's willing to get on somepony's case for getting married when he's just as guilty of the same thing is simply amusing.
  • In the comments section of the blog, after it is pointed out that solar powered trains are not effective, Mykan pretty much ignores this, then he has a Dyson Sphere explained to him, and is asked why Starfleet doesn't have one. He says it's because it would generate too much heat. After it is further explained, he clarifies what he actually meant. Please don't bang your head on the desk.
    No, no... my dyson vaccum[sic], which is powered by Electricity as well, gets really hot after use.
  • Also in relation, in the comments on this blog, Mykan states that if a Space Pony and an Equestrian were to mate, the result would always be a Space Pony in spite of Celesto starting out as an Equestrian and the others being his children, technically speaking. It's like if a Saiyan and an Earthling get together; would Mykan call Gohan and Trunks pure-blooded Saiyans because their fathers were Saiyans?
  • Apparently, a couple getting together in one universe means that the same people from a different universe should also get together. While the original EG series only has Cadance and Shining Armor, in the Starfleet Humans series, we get Grand Ruler and Celestia, Fluttershy and Rhymey, and Artie and Sunset Shimmer, and while human!Lightning and human!Starla aren't a thing as of yet, the latter still pines for the former, and others encourage their relationship. This highlights just how forced all these relationships are.
  • For some reason, the fic tends to give an awful lot of characters dead parents as a backstory. Celesto, Lightning Dawn, Starla Shine, Buddy Rose, Daphne Dil, Distraught, Spike, Jetar, human!Lightning Dawn, Tree Hugger, pony!Mykan, Sienna and Mako, En Shi, human!Sunset Shimmer, and Apple Spice have all lost their parents, often quite violently. By the ninth season, this trope has been used so often that it unintentionally loops back to being darkly hilarious. Highlights include:
  • Mykan actually wrote a rebuttal against the criticism of Calista's death from this very website's "What an Idiot" section. Three notable bits are (1) when he reads the argument that Dearka should have shielded Calista and he somehow gets the impression that the issue is Von Devilor's hesitancy to attack one of his own men rather than Dearka's armor, (2) when he states that Calista is supposed to die anyway so it wouldn't matter what protective measures the characters took, not comprehending that writing so that they did would make the villains seem very strong instead of making the heroes seem very stupid and (3) when he insists that readers are to read by his rules.

    Season I 
  • The very idea of "the magic of believing". Believing in what specifically, we are not told until near the end of the second chapter of the first fic where Celesto says that Lightning has learned to believe in his own inner magic; up to that point, all we get is Lightning shouting "I BELIEVE" until lasers start shooting out of his horn.
    • It gets taken to absurd heights in the finale of season 1, where the ponies bring their destroyed planets back into existence by joining hands and believing really hard. It's evidently supposed to be an awesome demonstration of the power of belief, but instead, it generally elicits a different response.
  • The story's claims about Lightning's superior strength are immediately called into question when Buddy Rose tasks him with delivering a crate of vegetables to Cookie Dough and he strains the whole way. It's even worse in the original, where instead of a crate, Lightning was struggling to carry a basket.
  • When Cookie Dough is introduced in chapter 1 of the original, the patrons of the Rainbow Dish Inn (which is an unintentionally ridiculous name in and of itself) all stand up in unison and start chanting "Hail Cookie Dough! Hail Cookie Dough!" The resemblance to Those Wacky Nazis, given that it occurs in a restaurant, makes it unintentionally humorous. It's even kept in the remake.
  • Starfleet are supposed to be a badass interplanetary peacekeeping crew... and then chapter 2 of the original fic has them running scared through Violet Swamp and literally being frightened by their own shadows at one point. In the remake, it's slightly mitigated; Lightning Dawn is the only one who gets scared despite his being trained by the Grand Ruler.
  • Episode 4 of the original has Lightning being hospitalized for exercising. Unsurprisingly, this scene does little to convince the reader of his supposedly superior physical strength and instead makes him look like a complete loser.
  • Dyno and Myte live in a place that's unironically named "Big Brown Canyon." Enough said.
  • Some Rouge Angles of Satin moments are pretty hilarious, but one in particular stands out. Early on in the original fic, resident Generic Doomsday Villain Lord Titan has the "heroes" right where he wants them, and gets thwarted by the timely arrival of Dyno and Mite. When Lightning gets free, he shoots Titan a look of "furry". Another particularly funny one is in Cookie Dough's introduction, which claims that "he could satisfy the appetite of anyone, even if they were even hungry."
  • The fact that the protagonists are seriously frightened (though partially due to a curse) by bad dreams in one chapter, to the point that they're afraid to have anything do with their hobbies for several hours. Contrast that with the Mane 6's reactions in the FiM episode Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?, where they were scared for only a few seconds when they woke up. Curse or no curse, it makes them look incredibly incompetent.
  • "Up, Up and a Balloon" has Rep-Stallion's balloon monster trying to suck in Lightning, Krysta, and Brain, with all three of them hanging on for dear life. Then the latter two slip and are swallowed by the monster and Lightning calls out their names in anguish. It's then immediately revealed that Krysta and Brain are completely fine since the monster is simply an animate balloon, making the entire scene rather melodramatic.
  • The Grand Ruler loses all possible credibility (at least, in the original version) when he's shown playing hopscotch to a disco remix of "Pop Goes the Weasel" (directly copied from Today's Special, no less). Here it is in video form (it's not the Grand Ruler, but it's pretty much the same deal).
    • The remake replaces the instance with "Moses Supposes". Not much of a better choice, especially when both choices happen right before the (not) final battle with Titan.
    • The battle with Titan has a particularly absurd case of talking dragging a battle to a halt when Grand Ruler starts reciting an eight-line chant (which, incidentally, is most likely derived from the summoning chant of The Winged Dragon of Ra) to summon the Uniforce and blast Titan with it. And Titan just stands there and lets him.
    • Grand Ruler getting bullied as a colt. It's the classic, overdone "hero gets bullied for a quirk despite that quirk being very desirable" cliché, but Celesto takes this to new heights with his golden wings and horns. Supposedly, the other colts would've labeled him a freak... except that alicorns like Celesto are usually royalty, if not borderline divinity, who run very important functions like controlling the day-night cycle. If anything, Celesto would've been treated with awe by other ponies. As a result, the attempt to make Celesto sympathetic only made his sheer Sueness much more obvious.
  • "Dangerous Discoveries" has Titan's minions luring the heroes out by setting O-Range on fire... except they didn't and it turned out to be just an illusion when Lightning and company show up. Poke the Poodle doesn't even begin to describe it. It really doesn't help the inherent silliness that this is the chapter where the remaining villains supposedly start pulling out all the stops to avenge Titan, but God forbid they resort to property damage.

    Starfleet Movie: How the Finch Stopped Hearth's Warming 
  • The fact that the main villain of this story is a finch is sure to reduce their chances of being taken seriously.

    Season II 
  • The thought of these strong and superior Space Ponies getting outmatched by untrained Diamond Dogs is nothing short of beautiful irony. The In-Universe explanation is that "they had strong armor".
  • In "Trial of Misdjudgement", Starla discusses with Lightning that she has some issues with her figure, saying that her legs are "skinny as pancakes" (which is a really bizarre way of describing a person's legs) and makes Lightning promise that he won't tell anyone else what she told him, which he does. So, of course, Starla overhears Lightning use the simile "skinny as pancakes" in a conversation with the other ponies, making her believe Lightning broke her trust. In turn, Lightning is confused on why Starla is suddenly upset with him. Starla then spends the rest of the episode refusing to tell Lightning what's wrong, all so we can have the clich&eacute "character hears another character say something out of context, leading to an argument" plot.
  • "Part 1: Illusions of Darkness" has a search for a MacGuffin protected by magic that casts illusions of what the treasure-seeker fears. Apparently, Princess Luna's fear is the boulder scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

    Starfleet Magic: The Movie 

    Starfleet Humans 
  • The "intro" and "ending" to the "movie" have the Friendship is Magic themes start to play before Lightning Dawn interrupts and changes them to the Starfleet Humans "themes". The Author Tract in the scene (and Lightning's jerkassery) is so blatant, it's almost amusing.
  • The fact that Celesto Grandruler is a retired billionaire astronaut who built and owns a high school and part of the island where the Starfleet Humans stories take place in, and also adopted the human counterparts of Starfleet. And his limousine transforms into a rocket ship. Fiction 500 has never been quite so over-the-top, and if this were any other work, Celesto would come off as a Parody Sue.
  • The characters referring to the upcoming basketball game as the "grand game" instead of "big game".
  • Flash Sentry and Queen Sapphira referring to humans as "Earth-girl/boy/woman/man" which makes them sound like aliens from old sci-fi films (or the Psychlos).
  • Human Starla Shine being bullied. It's the typical cliché of "girl getting bullied despite being incredibly attractive" but usually the girl in question has some sort of quirk that would make her a target. Starla doesn't have any of those. There's also the "nickname" the bullies give her, "Little Star" which sounds less like an insult and more like a nickname a parent would give to their daughter.
  • The Starfleet Humans apparently learned martial arts just by reading about it from books. Later in the climax, they receive the Starfleet powers from Lightning Dawn and suddenly know several different fighting styles, which renders their knowledge on martial arts entirely redundant.
  • Mykan's explanation for why Human Inquerius, a pointless side character, speaks only in questions, is that she suffered a stroke. What's really Narmy is the lack of explanation for why Human Rhymey speaks only in rhymes, which unintentionally implies that he probably also has some form of brain damage.
  • When the characters are auditioning for the school play, it is painfully obvious who is going to get which part: Lightning and Starla will be the main couple, Rhymey and Fluttershy will be the Beta Couple, and Sunset will be the villain. Suffice it to say, the idea that actors can only play characters that have the same personality as them as demonstrated by this fic is patently untrue (see: Mean Character, Nice Actor and Funny Character, Boring Actor), which makes it harder for the story to pass them off as master actors like it tries to.

    Season III 
  • Raven's death threats toward Celestia are a bit too ridiculous to take seriously with the gratuitous capslock and double exclamation marks, especially since she feels the need to send more than one, as if she's worried that Celestia might forget. Mykan apparently got the idea from The Simpsons episode Cape Feare, not realizing that there's a huge difference between a ten-year-old, powerless boy like Bart and a millennia-old, powerful monarch who's most probably received death threats before.
  • On Herboss, we get Buddy's first love (and later ex) Lily Bud wearing a stark white formal dress. In the jungle. On a military mission. While enemy forces are destroying the planet. And not only does Lily bring a formal dress for no particular reason, but she and Buddy start making out while still being the only ones still awake at night and it's obvious they're not keeping a watch for surprise ambushes at all. The sheer idiocy of the two goes way beyond Skewed Priorities and into unintentional hilarity.
    • The scene (and the fact that she brought along a formal dress just to make it look romantic) makes it crystal clear what Lily's true role in the story is.
    • Also, Rarity constantly gets flack in the fics for being vain and obsessed with beauty, but here, Lily brings a formal gown for no reason other than the slim chance Buddy would be around in Herboss, and wears it in the middle of the night just to kiss Buddy, but is never called out for potentially putting herself in danger. Double Standard, anyone?
  • Twilight's death is presumably supposed to be a Tear Jerker moment, and is built up to be tragic. Too bad it loses all meaning when you realize that Mykan went through with this because he hates Twilight (the fact the characters proceed to blame Twilight for her own death should give that away). Also not helping matters is how Lightning responds to the horrendous act that had just occurred:
    "And he threw his head high up into the air and let out a very loud and mournful NEIGH… just like the pony he was."
  • Dyno and Myte's home planet is called El Mundo. Problem is, El Mundo is Spanish for "the planet", meaning that whenever the narrative says "the planet El Mundo", they're also saying "the planet the planet". What a way to admit that being "Spanish" is their only Hat with Google Translate.
  • Lightning and Starla's wedding wouldn't be this trope if it weren't for the fact that it is literally a copy-and-paste of Cadance's wedding. Twilight would've been the maid of honor, the CMC are the flower girls, even Starla's gown is a modified version of Cadance's. It's so lazy, it really, really cements how little character Starla has other than being Lightning's love interest.

    Starfleet Humans: Starpops 
  • Lightning Dawn can't bring himself to tell Sunset Shimmer and the rest of human cast that Twilight Sparkle is dead and lies to them by saying... she has a cold. And they believe him. Also, when the truth comes out, everyone just kinda gets over it. Completely brushing off that Twilight is dead and Lightning lied to their faces about it.
  • Starfleet Humans: Starpops is pretty much a rich well of unintentional hilarity in its entirety (mostly due to the villains being gut-bustingly hilarious for all the wrong reasons), but a few moments really stand out:
    • The Starfleet Humans and the HuMane Six forming a twelve person band. They also named their band "Starpops". They get the name from Rhymey's "rhyme" about how he comes up with his "poetry" on Fluttershy: "Oh, it's nothing really, it's not hard, and its really no real dread. When I think of Fluttershy and I look at a Star, it just Pops into my head."note 
    • Earlier, they talk about missing Lightning Dawn... because they cannot come up with a decent name without him. And yes, Lightning is the one that comes up with the actual name based on Rhymey's ridiculous line.
    • The villains of the story (Sirens who?) are the Demonites. They have a cover band with the name D-Man Knights. Their Villain Song is a cover of Michael Jackson's Thriller with THIS as the chorus (and yes, they're meant to be taken 100% seriously, because nothing screams "terrifying villain" like a boy band that sings Michael Jackson covers):
      We are the D-Man... D... Man... Knights
      So learn our names just right and be a...note 
      He-Man, She-Man, Be-Man, C-Man...
      D-Man-Knight!!
    • The Demonites' song gets the entire camp dancing with them; suffice it to say, the mental image of the main villains leading a synchronized "Thriller" dance really isn't as scary as the main characters' reaction make it out to be. For that matter, our heroes being creeped out by what's basically a flash mob is hilarious in and of itself.
    • Despite Mykan changing the lyrics, he still has Blaze sing Michael Jackson's iconic "Ow!" at the end of the song. It just doesn't fit well and it ends up giving the impression that Blaze got hit with something or was dragged offstage by the neck.
    • The Demonites' second Villain Song is a cover of a parody of Lady Gaga's Poker Face (with said parody being incorrectly attributed to Lady Gaga) which includes lyrics such as "have a ball" and "bodacious". No, the fic is not a Stealth Parody, but it certainly could pass for one at this point.
      Can’t defy
      Can’t defy
      The magic music of the
      Demonites

      De De De Demonites
      De De Demonites

      De De De Demonites
      De De Demonites
    • Right before the Demonites perform their second musical number, they strike a "Super Sentai" Stance (complete with each member declaring their own name), making them look less like terrifying world-conquering demons and more like the Ginyu Force. In fact, Mykan links the Ginyu Force theme from Dragon Ball Z: Budokai as the Demonites' introduction.
    • The fact that they are called the Demonites will remind any Team Fortress 2 player of the Demoknight, a certain build for that game's character, the Demoman. This in turn will inspire them to read all of the Demonites' lines in a bad Scottish accent.
    • In order to break the Demonites' control over everyone, Starpops sing a cover of the song from the Arthur special featuring the Backstreet Boys. We are meant to take this seriously, but what makes it even more Narmful is that the lyrics are basically just Lightning singing a love song to Starla. The end result is just completely awkward rather than the powerful moment that it was intended to be.

    Season IV 

    Starfleet Humans: Starfleet Events 
  • The deaths of Human Lightning Dawn's parents: One day, they were driving with their son when a bully threw a beer can into their car. This apparently caused them to freak out so much that they accidentally crashed, killing them and leaving Lightning an orphan.
  • The pre-battle conversation between Human Lightning Dawn and a gang's leader is silly-sounding. This is despite the fact it's meant to be dramatic as he's confronting the gang who's responsible for the deaths of his parents, which started his Dark and Troubled Past.
    The Leader: [to Human Lightning Dawn] So you wanna be a hero too, junior?
    Human Lightning Dawn: You're nothing but a filthy bucket of scum!
    The Leader: Wow, you're not very polite are you? Well, I am, that's why I'm gonna let you take it back.
  • Human Lightning Dawn has evidently been traveling the world and fighting all sorts of evil paleontologists. So basically, he's a Parody Sue version of Indiana Jones, except he wasn't written to be a parody. He also possesses incredible intelligence and athleticism, has practically every female member of his peer group fawning over him and is a certified teacher despite being younger than 20.

    Starfleet Movie: Human in United Equestria 

    Season V 

    Season VI 
  • Cookie Dough and Khana Ling have a boy, much to Cadance and Shining Armor's envy. The boy's name? Chop Stick. Apart from sounding awkward and unoriginal, the name itself is a frank admission that Chop Stick's only personality traits are that he's "Asian" and his parents are cooks.
    • Not helping matters is that Khana is spelled Khanna just a few paragraphs above his cameo.
    • Even worse, members of Khana's family have Asianesque names like Ho Meng, etc. However, Chop Stick's name is clearly English, so either a) Cookie Dough came up with the name, b) Khana named him to honor Cookie, which brings even more problems, or c) it was to reference his half-"Asian" heritage, which begs the question of why they chose a plain utensil to celebrate his mixed heritage? Why not a snack or a type of food?
    • Later in Season VII, his name is inexplicably spelled as one word instead of two.
  • Cadance and Shining Armor are both sterilized at this point, so they ask Grand Ruler to use some of their cells to make a baby. Grand Ruler and Celestia object, on the grounds that they need to extract DNA samples from their reproductive systems and they're so badly damaged, extracting the samples from them could be fatal. This, however, falls flat when you remember that 1) extracting samples from one's reproductive system shouldn't be particularly dangerous or invasive, as evidenced by the numerous sperm and egg donors in real life, 2) both of them are infertile, meaning that using their reproductive system is out of the question to begin with, and 3) Grand Ruler successfully created 100 babies using only his blood and Celestia's hair, meaning that he can do the same with Cadance and Shining Armors' hair/blood without the risk of complications. The fact that no one pointed that out and went for the needlessly dangerous operation instead of the faster, safer one Grand Ruler had already done makes it pretty damn clear that this plot exists only to make Cadance and Shining Armor suffer for being Happily Married.
    • Even better, Lightning Dawn saw Grand Ruler use the hair and blood to create the first space ponies in a dream. The fact that he didn't point this out to the others is spectacularly poor judgment on his part.
  • Who got high on LSD and named their kid "Lippy Sync"!? Apart from being a shitty corruption of "lip-sync", it sounds as if the poor kid had a mouth sore or some other lip infection.
    • Also, lip-syncing is basically prerecording a segment of speech and pretending to be speaking/singing/etc. Since the Milli Vanilli scandal, lip-syncing has been viewed with suspicion in the music industry as fake and cheap, which does not say flattering things about him.
    • Even better: his Cutie Mark is a pair of lips talking. Clearly, Mykan is either running out of ideas or he isn't trying anymore.
    • The rest of his family does not get much better. "Windy Bag" and "Big Chump" are pretty crappy, but "Biffy Box" doesn't even make sense.
  • In "Founder's Day-saster", it's mentioned that the day is United Equestria's fourth birthday since Season I. Fair enough, until the very next paragraph also states that it's also Unicornicopia's 1055th birthday, and follows ''that'' one with a mention that Grand Ruler and Celestia's wedding anniversary is two days away from it. The sheer contrivance of the proximity of these special days makes what was supposed to be a special moment unintentionally hilarious and pretentious.
  • In "Power Life Line", the Monsters Of The Week's destruction puts Cadance and Shining Armor's test tube baby Flurry Heart into cardiac arrest. The doctors tell the couple that they can't use magic or life support to save the baby, but Lightning steps in and... repeatedly strokes and presses the baby's chest to get her to breathe. And it works. For... some reason. Unlike Fluttershy's appendix, there's no getting around this blatant use of plot armor.
    • The villains of "Power Life Line" are named Red, Yellow, and Blue, their group name is the Bug-a-Watts, and their combined form is the Tri-Bug. If it's not immediately obvious, they have no role in the story other than to nearly kill Flurry Heart, let alone personality.
  • Kitty Snip's description leaves much to be desired. She's basically a humanoid with cat ears, teeth, a tail, and fur. Apart from the massive Uncanny Valley it invokes, it also brings to mind the characters of Cats.
  • Grand Ruler's SPARKLY blood.

    Power Rangers Starfleet 
  • A lot of the prisoners' designs are questionable at best, and straight-up laughable at worst. Some particular highlights:
  • When Lightning turns into the Comet Ranger for the first time without being brainwashed, the Transformation Sequence consists of him... surfing through a meteor shower and getting hit by rocks? Uh, sure, why not?

    Season VII 
  • The Chaos Guardian, the greatest threat in Equestria, is called "Chaos Gaurdian". Consistently. Even when Sienna calls his name to make him attack.
  • The finale has Tree Hugger, Fluttershy, and Rarity all announcing that they're pregnant. At the same time. Yes, Babies Ever After is a thing, but this is the kind of scene you'd find in a cheesy rom-com rather than the action story these fics present themselves as being.

    Season VIII 
  • When Striker is bragging about his power in the first episode, he calls the other cadets "silly weaklings". If he was trying to make a Badass Boast, it's not working. For one thing, the way it's worded sounds like something a 6-year-old would say, not a talented, arrogant military cadet.
  • In the first episode, the royal dancers put on a show for a foreign ruler consisting of... disco dancing and hula hooping. Somehow, said ruler finds this show impressive.
  • Similarly to Ladybird and Kitty Snip, Mowaza, despite being an anthropomorphic lion, is described as having a humanoid face. Like Ladybird, that detail's supposed to highlight her beauty, but like Kitty, it instead brings to mind Cats.
  • When Striker hits Lightning with a shot of magic that causes him to fire his blaster at Queen Mowaza, the narration actually describes the whole sequence of Lightning crying out in horror, Grand Ruler and Celestia pulling the queen out of the way and the blast going out the window and exploding harmlessly in slow motion. To top it all off, the blaster had already been set to "capture", so there was no need for the dramatics.
  • The single biggest example in this season is the fact that Starfleet accidentally freed the Big Bad from the box before they even signed the treaty entrusting them with it. Too Dumb to Live does not come close to describing their sheer ineptitude.
    • Not helping their case was that the previous guardians of the box, the Ainzulians, had no problem keeping it sealed for ten thousand years. After this fiasco, what sane Ainzulian would want to have someone as incompetent as Starfleet ruling over them?
  • When Stammadon summons Torron, the narration describes it as the carving representing Torron vanishing in sparkling lights and the minotaur appearing. It's hard to unironically take a scene that involves sparkling and the Villain of the Week appearing out of nowhere seriously.
  • It's pretty hilarious that Stammadon, The Social Darwinist, has a much more diverse army than our 'heroes'. Like, Starfleet's military is mostly space ponies, with some Equestrians, fairies, and a single dragon sprinkled in, and the Herbolites, who appeared exactly twice in the entire fic, and both appearances were limited to III. This is without even getting into the "space ponies are better than everyone else" and "we know better than anyone else and deserve to conquer other planets because we know best" beliefs they get into. Meanwhile, no two members of Stammadon's army appear to be the same species, and one of his best generals has dwarfism. Ironic isn't it?
  • When GR sends Starfleet off to evacuate Ainzul, Grand Ruler says, and I quote, "Good luck, My Brave Ponies". Yes, he really did capitalize those words In Case The Viewers Couldn't Tell It Was A Title Drop.
  • Ainzul is described as having a red sky. One of the multiple ways to achieve such a color is pollution, lots and lots of pollution. Ainzul is based off of China. Cue the Chinese pollution jokes.
  • When Pinkie Pie attempts to explain to Balia what happened with Stammadon, the narration describes her attempts as "long, quick sentences". Seriously?
  • Stammadon's army is supposed to be a global threat, yet the first thing they do is terrorize a random town and all subsequent attacks are local in scale, with very little lasting impact on the heroes. So much for global threat. Actually, that would apply to a lot of villains.
    • During the battle against Torron and the Shis, En Shi leaps up to pelt Starfleet with hail. Later, when Rainbow tries to stop En, she's still floating in the air, as if she was suspended midair. Talk about an epic Fight Scene Failure.
      • Not helping matters is the way she releases hail, by making it fall out of her hair. It's not hard to imagine her just standing there and hail falling out of her hair, or her whipping it around and letting the hail fly everywhere.
    • When Applejack attacks Rai Shi, he grabs her arm and lifts her off the ground. Not once does she think about kicking or spitting at him. Even if it was part of the plan to tire Rai Shi out, it's hard to see how being held off the ground by an enemy will be helpful in any possible way, and it can ''derail'' their plans, as he can use her as a shield. AJ's very lucky he "only" punched her away instead.
    • Later, when Applejack is thrown across the ground, she crashes into Rainbow Dash. Who has super speed. Yeah...
  • In "Strength of Evil: Part 2", Stammadon describes the Ainzulians as wimpy and Starfleet as a strong force that he and his forces should focus on, despite the former having beaten him and kept him sealed for ten thousand years while the latter having just beaten one of his monsters and freed him through incompetence after two minutes.
  • The secondary plot of the season is a Whole-Plot Reference to Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad. The problem is that the story states emphatically that, despite having advanced computer systems, United Equestria chose not to develop an Internet because they were convinced the cons outweighed the pros. Not only does the premise shoot itself in the foot (after all, you can't do a plot where Everything Is Online if there is no "online") and require Voodoo Sharks to hold itself aloft, it also makes the Space Ponies come off as completely lacking innovation; you'd think that a space-faring race would see the benefits of having an easily-accessible global communications system and information repository.
  • In Chapter 8, when Monster of the Week Emosha is defeated, she yells "WHOA!! I'M FEELING THE BURN!!" Yes, really.
    • Also, Emosha's superpower is manipulating emotions. It sounds genuinely creepy... until we find out that:
      • 1) She uses it with magical fans.
      • 2) She has to say what emotion she wants to invoke out loud and wave her fan ("Sleepy!" *waves fan*)
      • 3) It releases magic waves to hit the target, waves that can be easily dodged as Starla has shown.
      • 4) Instead of simply staying out of range of her opponents and making everyone too scared to fight her, she uses her powers to make Pinkie die of laughter, she accidentally makes Dyno and Myte fight with each other, and makes Starla cry. Again, yes, really. How are we supposed to take these villains seriously?
  • It's one thing for Tree Hugger, Fluttershy, and Rarity to conceive children at the same time, but giving birth on the same day at the same time takes Contrived Coincidence to new levels. Once again, this is supposed to be an action show that takes itself seriously, not a sappy rom-com.
  • Rarity and Spike's daughter is, obviously, a hybrid between a pony and a dragon. While she can be perfectly reasonably classified as a kirin (not to be confused with the ones from "Sounds of Silence"), Mykan refuses to use that term as he initially didn't believe that kirin were a thing and instead goes for the infinitely sillier-sounding "dragony".
  • When Kara Shi runs to save Tan Shi from getting captured, he throws his sword away. Okay, but then it ricochets off of almost every Starfleet fighter in the vicinity. And it depowers everyone who was hit. This looks like something straight out of a Looney Tunes short, not an action series that takes itself seriously, especially not in a moment that's supposed to be dramatic.
  • There are excusable typos, and there is this gem (don't say it out loud):
    Scootaloo looked, and saw her come was sparking softly, having been slightly damaged when she fell and smashed it against the ground. β€œUh, oh…” this can’t be good.

    Season IX 

    Season X 
  • Swift Star makes a speech about how tolerant Starfleet is in Chapter 8. Due to a few grammatical errors, however, while he mostly salvages the image of Starfleet, we have this gem...
    • He also says in the same speech that you can't just say you are right and everyone else is wrong. Big words from a member of Starfleet.
  • Spike and Rarity wind up getting trapped in a planet of dragons named, wait for it, Dragonia. Really original, isn't it?
    • How about the fact that the dragon they're sentenced to fight is named Scarlight, when the villain Starlight already exists, and is described as having an "orange tummy". Doesn't exactly scream "intimidating".
  • In "Faith of the Blind", Starfleet takes their hypocrisy to new heights when they admonish the Blisstonians for their Blind Obedience. This is a friendly reminder that these are the same guys who have repeatedly let others kill, kidnap, or abuse innocent people because the law stopped them, and also regularly scold people who break the rules to do the right thing.
    • Then, they take their raging hypocrisy to new heights, as they completely switch opinions after saving the Blisstonians so they can shill themselves. To quote from the chapter itself:
    Mindia never thought of it that way. She had always assumed that all blessings came from the heavens.
    β€œMaybe in ways... they did.” said Dyno β€œYou prayed and wished for someone to help you while you were in danger, and me and my brother came.”
    Myte nodded, β€œSi... and you did pray and hope for your survival. Even though the planet was lost, your prayers were still answered; we all helped you escape.”
  • In "Two-Timing Temptation", we get this sentence fragment:
    Cadance dodged Waverline’s every blast and attack, and Waverline blocked and defended herself from.

    Season XI 
So...what needs cleaning up?

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1968: Nov 14th 2022 at 3:48:57 PM

Uh, shouldn't you be the one to know that? I know I personally have zero interest in reading an enormous wall of text about some guy's terrible fanfics to determine which Narm entries look objectionable.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#1969: Nov 14th 2022 at 4:31:20 PM

    Friendship is Failure examples 

    My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic examples: (Seasons I to V) 

The general folder can be cut; as per definition, Narm is a specific moment.

Season 1

Starfleet Movie: How the Finch Stopped Hearth's Warming

  • Complaining.

Starfleet Magic: The Movie

  • Not funny; also, several tropes (Informed Ability, etc.) fit better.

  • Complaining.

  • Complaining, association Narm.

Starfleet Magic: The Movie

Starfleet Humans

Season 3

Starfleet Humans: Starpops

Season 4

Starfleet Movie: Human in United Equestria

Season 5

Side note: On Mad Max: Fury Road, a commented-out note says to not alter the Narm entry without consulting the Discussion page. Another user has brought up the Narm entries on the Discussion page, but the post has not been replied to. Should they be discussed there after consensus here, or just discussed here?

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#1970: Nov 14th 2022 at 5:17:32 PM

[up] Regarding the Fury Road page, that note was added by HighCrate—presumably without discussion elsewhere?—in what looks like an attempt to stop an edit war. I don't see why they shouldn't be discussed here in this thread.

Just giving them a glance:

  • Fridge, except for the last line, which doesn't stand on its own.
  • Doesn't say what's funny.
  • General
  • ZCE
  • Weblinks Are Not Examples
  • ZCE and general

EDIT: I've removed the note & misuse and hidden the ZCEs.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Nov 14th 2022 at 8:40:55 AM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#1971: Nov 14th 2022 at 10:33:00 PM

[up] Right, thanks. As for the ZCEs:

  • Entry could be rewritten to note how Joe simply shouting "On!" is incongruous or baffling considering the context of the scene.
  • General. Cut.

    My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic examples (Seasons 6-11, Power Rangers Starfleet) 

Season 6

Power Rangers Starfleet

  • Complaining, applies to sub-bullets.
  • Complaining

Season 7

Season 8

Season 9

Season 10

Season 11

Seeing as the page is mostly either complaining or Rouge Angles of Satin misuse, I'd say cut the whole thing.

(Also, general reminder: please try to make your own notes when posting examples for discussion here. Expecting other people to do all the work is a tad irritating. tongue)

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
N.Harmonik Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#1972: Nov 15th 2022 at 3:28:24 AM

Can someone please show me examples of Narm entries that are written well?

Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#1973: Nov 15th 2022 at 6:48:59 AM

I think the "usage of sound effects during child abuse" could count if it's rewritten to be less general

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1974: Nov 15th 2022 at 11:10:27 PM

[up]I agree. Here's my attempt at tweaking it:

What do you think?
Do you all think this example from YMMV.Smile 2022 is too general to count as Narm or Nightmare Retardant? (For the record, I'm bringing up NR because I feel it's more fitting.)
  • Narm:
    • If you don't find people smiling inherently scary, both the film and the trailer come across as downright ridiculous. However, when it becomes clear that the Smile Entity is anything but a harmless being who plays on the primal fear of the Slasher Smile, this can also qualify as Narm Charm.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#1975: Nov 16th 2022 at 8:30:38 AM

[up] The Smile entry is definitely too general for Narm, though I don't know if Nightmare Retardant has the same rule. If it doesn't, that should be a good place for the entry.


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