I've decided to start a cleanup thread for Narm, since it seems to attract a lot of misuse and complaining. Like I said in my ATT post, "some misuse is easy to catch (e.g. saying a joke is Narm when Narm by definition can't be a joke), a lot of examples fall into grey areas that seem like misuse but it's hard to tell. Like nitpicks that at first glance seem to be valid examples, but feel like stretches the more you think about them."
I think one of the main reasons for misuse is that most people aren't clear on what Narm actually is. To my understanding, it's when a scene is intended to be dramatic, but comes off as cheesy/funny unintentionally. But going by the page description, it's kind of vague what actually qualifies something as Narm. At the top, it says "Narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but due to either over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive Melodrama, or the sheer absurdity of the situation, the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny." But then later on in the same page, it gives a much more vague definition:
Most often, Narm is misused to mean "anything I personally don't think worked," whether or not it was intended as dramatic or comes off as funny. And when a work is high-profile enough, hoo boy, pretty much every scene is Narm to somebody. You can look at the Narm subpages for Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Game of Thrones and find tons of examples of people nitpicking the tiniest of details in a scene and blowing whatever it is out of proportion.
Another problem is that since it's such a subjective trope, it's not clear if there's supposed to be any sort of in-fandom consensus on the example in-question, or if every example is valid under the "it's called YMMV for a reason" excuse, even if the only person who thinks the example is Narm is the troper who adds it in.
I think it needs to be clearer whether nitpicks are valid examples of Narm, especially since nitpicking overlaps so often with barely-disguised complaining. The most frequent offenders for Narm entries I see are complaining, nitpicking, adding jokes, and ZeroContextExamples. I'm going to use Venom (2018) as an example, with my comments in bold:
- The scene of Eddie freaking out on the medical table is presented as the teaser's Money-Making Shot. It... doesn't quite work as intended, which isn't helped by it being sped up, making it look like a parody.
- The final trailer features a more complete version of the clip showing Venom's face "shutter" over Eddie. Whether or not this works or if it looks like a cheap special effect depends on who you ask.
- What makes the freakout even more narmful is that Eddie's screams are different screams playing on top of each other. The actual film lacks this strange effect. This example seems fine to me, but falls into the "The trailer is Narmy but the finished product isn't" doublespeak.
- The leaked trailer revealed some pretty terrible lines (βThe guy you work for is an evil person.β). Tom Hardy's horrible New York...ish(?) accent isn't doing the delivery any favors either. And it really does not help that his voice cracks on the reading of "evil person". Thankfully, that line is not in the film proper. Do we keep examples that are purely in the trailers? Also an example of "thing falls flat" instead of "thing is funny."
- Hardy's line reading of "You're not real, you are just in my head." sounds like he's suffering from Elmuh Fudd Syndwome. At worst, he sounds like Adam Sandler's signature Manchild babbling. However there's some speculation that, based on the context of the scene and Eddie's stumbling movements, he's actually drunk, or perhaps even overdosed on medication (considering he was seen taking a bunch of pills, thinking he's sick). That and it could be a case of Reality Ensues, as it's unlikely anyone would keep the mental clarity to speak normally as an alien parasite is slowly bonding with their body. Natter. Goes back and forth between snarky complaints and defending the moment. Also nitpicking.
- Movie trailers cutting quotes out of context to form a new sentence is nothing new, but the editing on the line "you will only hurt bad people" is particularly poor, and it's very easy to hear that the line has been cut together out of separate pieces of dialogue. Not really a dramatic thing, so I don't think it counts as Narm. And it definitely isn't funny, it just falls flat.
- How Jenny Slate's character pronounces "symbiote" note . Plus, her giving firm, equal stress to all three syllables like she's speaking some foreign language. Luckily, this was cut from the theatrical release. Nitpicking and not funny.
- The shot of Eddie crashing straight through a half-fallen tree in the forest that he could just as easily have ducked under comes across as more comedic than cool, as if they just needed an additional gratuitous shot of something breaking. Especially if your mind goes to Victor from Wet Hot American Summer and his inexplicable refusal to jump over anything. It really does not help that the evil bad-guy vehicle chasing him looks like a slightly modified golf cart. The context for this one in the movie is that Venom is taking control of his body and forcing him to blindly flee through the woods to escape the Life Foundation. Context makes it not-Narm. Cut?
- Although it may look better in the context of the full scene, Eddie flying 50 feet into the air on his motorcycle off a slightly steep hill seems to rather severely break the laws of physics. Clearly written before the movie came out. Cut?
- The Jump Scare (on both sides of the fourth wall) where Venom suddenly shouts Eddie's name as he brushed his teeth would have been much more scary if not for the fact that the latter Screams Like a Little Girl. There's also the fact that he somehow throws himself backwards so hard that he crashes into the bathroom wall. Intended as comedic, so it isn't Narm.
- Remember how creepy and awesome that shot from the second trailer of the symbiote forming around Eddie's face in order to eat a guy was? In the third trailer, the potential Nightmare Fuel of that moment is significantly undercut by Venom slobbering all over the man's face with its tongue in an amusingly over-the-top manner. One is reminded of the scene with Patrick licking the yellow popsicle, or perhaps "This is the taste of a liar".... This seems pretty in-character for Venom. I'm not sure with this one.
- The guy who Carlton Drake subjects to Orifice Invasion in the third trailer would have been disturbing, if not for the victim's bland expression. Moment that falls flat; not funny. Cut.
- The symbiote's Venom-face forming on the end of Eddie's arm to talk to him strongly resembles a deranged hand puppet rather than a vicious alien parasite. There's also the fact that they can communicate telepathically, making that sequence unnecessary. Seems fine.
- Venom's violent threats to his enemies are this if they're not aggressively tasteless Black Comedy. His threat to mutilate a man until he's "like a turd on the wind" is particularly groan-inducing, especially coming after a genuinely frightening threat. How It Should Have Ended was even driven by this to make a video on just the trailer for the very first time, in which he mangles a bunch of other sayings. Pretty sure they are intended as comedy, so it's not Narm. Cut.
- The animation of the yellow symbiote just looks like mozzarella cheese come to life. Nitpick. Also... inaccurate? It's more of a mucus yellow.
- After Venom heals Eddie's broken legs, he flatly states "My legs! They were broken... and now they're not broken..."
- "My leg!" Seems fine to me.
- "HOSPITAL!!!! (extremely long pause) Now!" Zero-Context Example.
- Eddie and Anne quite casually discussing cannibalism as one of the symbiote's favorite activities. It's something that would probably sincerely shock and disgust the average person and likely require therapy, and yet it's bandied about like it's a pretty normal occurrence. These kinds of entries are tricky to me. They seem valid at first glance, but there's something off about them. I don't think this one counts if the work itself is treating the moment lightly.
- Any menace from Cletus Kasady is completely undercut by Woody Harrelson's truly ridiculous wig. A common comparison is that it causes him to look like a live-action Sideshow Bob, or a make-up-less Pennywise. Uses complainy word-choice. Otherwise fine.
- Kasady promising that there will be "carnage" after he gets out is so on-the-nose that it feels like it's straight out of a parody. First off, that's not an example of Anvilicious. Secondly, this verges on a nitpick to me. I'm not sure. It's not really funny, just lame.
- The final trade of words between Venom and Riot before the final battle is nothing but total Ham-to-Ham Combat - that and the two symbiotes happen to be Perpetual Smilers, which just gives off the feeling that they don't really give that much of a damn about their goals.
- Towards the end of the film, it's revealed that Venom used to be something of a loser on his home planet, like Eddie. This is his entire reason for wanting to save the Earth. Moment played as a joke, so it isn't Narm.
- Despite angrily forcing Eddie to spit out cooked meats because they're no longer living animals, the symbiote develops a taste for tater tots, and it practically demands that Eddie buy some during a conversation in the ending. The director admitted in an interview that the writers just thought it was funny and put it in the script. It unfortunately invites comparisons to a similar tots-focused scene in Napoleon Dynamite as a result. Entry admits it's a joke. So it isn't Narm.
- Drake having bonded with Riot is treated as a huge shocking twist going into the final battle... except for the fact that the audience was already well aware of it and saw the whole process. It feels very much like a consequence of Executive Meddling to give Riot more screentime. Another tricky example. Seems to fall under "scene doesn't work" instead of "scene is funny."
- Right after Eddie is separated from the symbiote, a rather obvious ADR overdub replaces the intended "fuck you" with the much less vicious "we're done". Not really funny, just falls flat.
- Eddie's "DRAKE! STOP!" sounds less like he's in pain and more like a little kid telling his Big Brother Bully to stop giving him a wedgie. Nitpicking. Most people wouldn't even pay this sequence any mind.
Another issue with Narm is the distinction between moments that are unintentionally funny on their own, and moments that are only unintentionally funny after Memetic Mutation or similar feat. Does the latter truly count as Narm? Because you can make the case that everything that has ever been made can fall under that.
Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:06:31 AM
Found these on YMMV.Yu Gi Oh and was wondering if they were actually valid examples that can be moved to the already existing franchise page or not:
- Narm:
- Tara Sands' performance as Mokuba Kaiba in the English dub can create this since most of her emotional takes don't have much inflection, particularly in earlier episodes.
- The 4Kids localization turns what is essentially a paint-by-numbers shonen series with card games to a paint-by-numbers '80s cartoon centered around the merch. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on the fan, though overall the divide isn't as strong as for 4Kids' later work.
Edited by Oshawott337 on Nov 4th 2022 at 9:04:53 AM
"Letβs see whoβs stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."Those are both general examples that don't say what's supposedly funny. They just seem to list regular flaws. I think they can be cut.
Alright. I've already deleted the original entries, so I just won't add them to the franchise page then.
"Letβs see whoβs stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."Narm.Hunt Down The Freeman could use a good scrubbing.
The game's cutscenes immediately became infamous when the attempts at drama or a dark atmosphere almost immediately fall flat due to the voice acting, the models' appearances or something else entirely.The mention of "fall flat" in this header makes me a bit uneasy, but maybe I'm just looking too deeply into this.
- In general, most of the unintentional hilarity of these moments (if not the entirety of them) comes from the desperate attempts from developers to make the game Darker and Edgier while also including obscenities, something that Valve games used to deliberately avoid, such as censoring Barney's Precision F-Strike through an explosion near the end of Half-Life 2. Here? Profanities are used without a spare, complete with tons of unnecessary violence. General example
- The most prominent example is from the free demo, in which Mitchell violently interrogates an enemy soldier.
(in a tone that's trying too hard to be gruff) WHERE'S GORDUN?! WHERE IS DA FREEMAN?! [β¦] SPEAK, YOU BASTARD! I can see a case being made for this being unintentionally funny from the actor's performance, but I'm unsure.
- Also from the demo, there's the somewhat melodramatic tale that a dying soldier tells about being forced to work in a cremator factory as a child, surrounded by the "guts" of the dead kids. For even more unintentional hilarity, he calls the taskmasters "Combines" rather than "the Combine." Unsure.
- Another scene from the demo has several rebels executed by Cremator, who... simply burns them alive with his device, even though it has been established that their devices are spitting corrosive acid to get rid of corpses, not emitting the flame burst. This is one of the only flaws that were fixed in the final product, where Boris tells Mitchell that Cremators are indeed assigned to cleaning the place. Not unintentionally funny, just a regular flaw.
- Just before Gordon (actually Adam) knocks Mitchell out, the latter mutters this corny line:
Mitchell: Whatever it takes... Whoever it takes... However long it takes...before I die... I will fucking kill you. Corny line in a serious moment, so maybe?
- The G-man later repeats the words Mitchell said during that encounter (sans the f-word), and it seems that he was impressed more by them rather than by Mitchell's defiance (though he does reveal his true motive later on). Comes off as meaningless fluff.
- Basically everything that comes out of Mitchell's mouth post-Time Skip. Both times, even. In a rather juvenile attempt at giving Mitchell some character development, whoever wrote his script gave him incredibly long and cheesy diatribes that he spouts at the drop of a hat, prime examples of which are the Cremator factory speech and his response to Sasha calling him a hero.
Mitchell: Hero? Heh, you're talking to a villain, my dear. The hero inside of me died...many, many years ago when I was young. While they list a specific example to prevent this from being too general, I'm still unsure.
- Everything involving Larry, who sounds and acts like he's in a completely different game. His Inopportune Voice Cracking during the line about his mother, his Camp Gay personality, and his remark after the president's speech make him come off as comic relief that clashes with the dire tone of the Seven Hour War. General example. Maybe can be trimmed down to his remark after the president's speech if more detail about it is added?
- The infamous scene where the President of the United States announces their surrender to the Combine. Going by everyone's reactions, it's clearly meant to be a horrific, heart-breaking scene... but the President is being played by none other than Keemstar, who doesn't put much, if any, emotional gravitas into his brief performance and just sounds like... well, Keemstar. You half-expect him to say "Leeeeet's get riiiiiight into the neeeews!" or "What is up, DramaAlert Nation?" after every line. I know Keemstar as the president is a prime WTH, Casting Agency? moment due to the hilarity of it, but it might be "humor from association" rather than the moment itself. I'd like your guy's input.
- The infamously bad train defense sequence already sets the bar low when it starts off because some random soldier's corpse with a minigun warps in out of nowhere to give the player a weapon they need to hold off Combine Gunships for the next ten minutes. It's like the kind of thing you'd see in Garry's Mod. Maybe?
- Just before the final holdout sequence at the end of the first arc, Nick calls Mitchell cursed and warns Captain Roosevelt that everyone with rank higher than Mitchell's had been killed. Not only is this extremely contrived, and not only does it come out of nowhere, but it is also illogical and hypocritical, since Cue and Harvey were in charge of Nick and Adam too, therefore they might be just as cursed. Mitchell doesn't even bother to call Nick out on this statement, and Roosevelt proclaims his leadership anyways. Seems like a regular flaw.
- Even better, after the defense sequence is done, part of the ship suddenly explodes, and then Roosevelt's upper torso falls in front of the soldiers. For some reason, Roosevelt still manages to spew out his last words, now believing Nick's story, despite being blown in half:
Roosevelt: That's not a curse... You made a deal with the devil... Here, you have it... *dies* I can see a case being made for the absurdity of the situation making it funny, but not as is.
- Finally, as if this wasn't enough, Nick calls Mitchell the captain shortly afterwards, making the whole conflict pointless and awkward. Regular flaw.
- Even better, after the defense sequence is done, part of the ship suddenly explodes, and then Roosevelt's upper torso falls in front of the soldiers. For some reason, Roosevelt still manages to spew out his last words, now believing Nick's story, despite being blown in half:
- During an otherwise heartfelt conversation with Boris, during which Boris expresses disgust at being forced to work for the Combine, Mitchell tells him not to be disgusted, then suddenly goes into a confusing tirade about natural balance, how the humans could have enslaved the aliens but enslaved other humans instead and thus couldn't care less about aliens, the dynamic between predator and prey, how the tables have turned against humans, then for some reason, jumps to warning Boris to enjoy his time while he can before humankind rises again and gets killed by the Combine along with him. The content of the speech aside, Mitchell delivers the monologue without a single pause, as if he'd rehearsed it a thousand times before and just performed it to a stranger for no reason. Maybe?
- In addition, Mitchell's claim of humans going into space for resources is not only unnecessarily cynical, but also goes completely against what is currently happening in real life, at least for now, since most of space travels were done for exploration and not mindless resource harvest. Regular flaw.
- After Mitchell's speech, Boris calls him a wise man because (or, more likely, in spite of) the nonsense he's spoken, even though his views are still a bit different. Character Shilling at it's finest. Regular flaw.
- It's hard to not chuckle when looking at Nick after the second timeskip. In comparison to the bizarre but still passable National Guard model he had during the Seven Hour War, here, he looks like a lizard with such skin and baldness, having suddenly aged much more than he should have after 20 years. And since Adam has not changed much after the same timeskip, people began making jokes about how Adam sucked Nick's life force out to make himself look younger. I mean the entry explains itself and is about something unintentionally funny, but it might also be general. Need a second opinion.
- Adam's reveal as being the one who assaulted Mitchell in the prologue does not work out as intended and thus becomes flat out laughable. The question of how Adam managed to get inside the HEV suit and operate it properly, Adam's role being not significant enough for the reveal to make sense, his head turning to a ridiculous angle or, most of all, the smug face he makes as he turns to the screen (which also looks like he is smiling), which all but screams "Haha I was impersonating Gordon all along, suckers!" (thus making a jab at people who had to play the game until the end) - you can pick your choice. The scene itself is a valid example, especially the weird head turn and smug grin, but the entry could use a rewrite to be less complainy.
- The ending. Mitchell chases Adam down across the ship in an extremely laughable manner and proceeds to shoot him in the knee. Despite the wound, Adam manages to stand up. Then Mitchell pins him against a rail and shoots him multiple times, punctuating each one with another reason for hating him, culminating in the infamous "you fucked up my face" line and a cheesy "And now... you have my permission to die" before delivering the coup-de-grace in the form of a headshot that sends Adam tumbling into the ocean. The scene already reads like something from an edgy fan animation, but then factor in the fact that Mitchell's voice actor is trying way too hard to sound like a grizzled badass and Adam's voice actor plays being shot in the knee and then in the stomach four times the same way you might sound when you stub your toe, only managing a pathetic and vaguely sexual groan after each shot (especially after the fourth) and still claiming that he can explain despite having four bullets in his stomach and one in the knee. Add in some overly dramatic music and a popular meme that the reason Adam didn't die from all these shots to the stomach was because he literally needed permission to die, and it's impossible to take the scene seriously. Keep for sure. This scene is infamous for how laughable it is. The mention of the meme about literally needing permission to die might be something to cut, though.
Here are my thoughts:
- Agreed.
- It seems to count, though it could be tweaked because quotes are not context.
- The second part reads as a regular flaw (and maybe association narm) to me, though I'm unsure about the rest of it.
- Regular flaw.
- I feel it counts, though I think it could be rewritten.
- That doesn't sound like it counts.
- It reads as complaining to me, though I'm otherwise unsure if it counts.
- What you said, though maybe the line about his mother could be its own entry if expanded upon more.
- I'm not completely sure if that counts. If I need to state this, I'm aware of Keemstar's (in)famy.
- I suppose?
- I agree that's a typical flaw.
- I guess it counts, though it'll need a rewrite.
- What you said about it being a run-of-the-mill fault.
- I guess.
- Yeah, that's a regular flaw.
- Same as the above point.
- I don't think it's general, though I feel the last part is unneeded.
- I agree.
- I agree with the example being valid and that the "meme" part should go.
This was added in Xenoblade Chronicles 3
- Joran's story is a full-on tragedy, but the fact that the J is pronounced like a Y, and therefore his name is pronounced closer to "Urine", rather spoils a few of his scenes.
This seems like another βHahaha names being pronounced like that is funnyβ type of misuse, but I want to make sure if it really is the case.
She/Her | Currently cleaning N/AIt's not really a moment, and, depending on how it's pronounced, doesn't sound like "Urine", so it can be cut.
removed and cited this thread
She/Her | Currently cleaning N/AI want to ask about The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, since I feel its Narm section is mainly being used for stealth complaining. I previously discussed this in the complaining thread a while back, but I thought I'd run it again here:
- Narm:
- Footage of the Italian version of the game shows how Ghirahim's line, "furious, outraged, sick with anger" ultimately turned out to be too hard to be properly translated to Italian. This is maybe fine, but I think it needs to note whether it actually reads bad in Italian. Plenty of languages are fine to native readers but feel weird when literally translated into something else.
- While Link's Item Get! action is fine most of the time, it can look pretty silly in an otherwise serious cutscene. Which Zelda will call you out on during the the Wing Ceremony. The Item Get! pose is pretty bad in the scene where you get the Goddess Harp too. These two cited examples are the only time this happens, and in both cases the game explicitly parodies it. The entry about the Wing Ceremony is here, but the Goddess Harp bit ignores the "But now is not the time to admire it!" part in the item description text. This is an example of ignoring intentional comedy to shoehorn in a Narm example.
- During the cutscene after Link finally meets up with Zelda in the past and she tells him The Reveal about her being the reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia Link makes a strange, wide-eyed expression◊ that makes seem like he's looking at something shocking or disgusting instead of finally reuniting with his best friend/possible love interest and hearing the explanation for why she disappeared suddenly. This expression was so weird that it was even subject to Memetic Mutation. I mean he actually is in a shocking moment, so I don't think this counts as his emotions being misplaced. That part in the third spoiler also makes it seem like it's Link's first reaction to reuniting with Zelda, when it's actually quite deep into her subsequent explanation.
- Link's expression whenever he hears pieces of the Song of the Hero. The fact that he closes his eyes and becomes engrossed just seems melodramatic given the context, and can even make it look as though he's peeing. He is listening to ancient dragons teach him a song that will let him get the Triforce in order to rescue Zelda. Zero clue how that is "melodramatic".
- Whenever Fi sings, her face shakes erratically while her mouth hangs open. Many players found the animation comical, even though the cutscenes themselves are meant to convey a feeling of triumph. I think this counts; her singing doesn't really match her really static facial expression in these moments.
- At one point of the game, Link plays the Harp in the middle of Skyloft, with Fi singing, before he inserts his sword in a lit flower circle. During this entire interactive cutscene, you can watch how the side character Parrow walks in an endless circle in the background, completely oblivious to what you are doing. I think this is an example of describing an event in abstract terms because it sounds worse that way. I believe it's implied that only Link can see the Trial Gates; he needs the Goddess Harp and Sword to open and interact with them, with help from Fi. With that in mind, this entry boils down to "person isn't that interested in someone playing music in a public plaza".
- During the otherwise serious final battle, Ghirahim starts dancing in a bizarre way, in a circle around Zelda, while teleporting and badly humming his own theme song. He's supposed to be doing a ritual to summon Demise, but still. This doesn't explain why this is unintentionally comical. Ghirahim's arc is that he becomes increasingly desperate over the course of the game, and this fits that.
For the Italian point, we had a discussion on the merits of that here, with the conclusion being a bit indecisive. I feel only the Fi singing and maybe the one above it is valid.
Your reasoning seems solid to me. Feel free to make the cuts as you see fit.
I will do that soon.
I also want to check the entries on Nickelback:
- Narm:
- "She Keeps Me Up" is a funk song. Yes, really. Could be seen as Narm Charm too if the audience's reaction is anything to go by.
- There's also the Reggae-esque "Got Me Running Round" which features Flo Rida of all people.
These are just 'lol, Nickelback tried genre experimentation' and doesn't explain how they're Narm. It even sheepishly acknowledges that "She Keeps Me Up" was generally well received. Is this an easy cut?
Yes, cut them both.
Those are zero-context EDIT: at best if you ask me.
Edited by RandomTroper123 on Nov 13th 2022 at 10:13:38 AM
Both of them are just laughing at two songs, not serious moments. Cut.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAgreed. They're straight misuse and can be cut.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I hope this post isn't too long because I'm about to show two whole sections here:
Friendship is Failure
The title of this series alone should give you an idea of what you're in for. It sounds like a parody of FiM, but Mykan expects you to take his stories completely seriously.
- Several of the names are unintentionally funny.
- As sympathetic as he is, we again have to wonder: who names their foal "Bill Dollar"? This is not the currency of Equestria.
- Miser's backstory reveals he has a deceased fiancée named "Twinkle Belle", a name which is hilarious enough in its own right. Also, when Miser visits her tombstone, the name is misspelled as "Tinkle Belle".
- Like with Starfleet Magic, Mykan feels the need to shoehorn in a song from out of nowhere many times despite this being a text-based medium where such a thing doesn't work as well as it would if it were on TV.
- Some Rouge Angles of Satin moments are pretty hilarious. In "Beast Boy in Equestria", when Beast Boy states that he and the Titans had a fight, he says that "Complete and postal fallout" wouldn't even begin to describe it.
- Mykan's tendency to insert onomatopoeia into the writing turns any dramatic scene into a goldmine of unintentional hilarity. Special mention goes to when Miser Stash is beaten by his Abusive Dad. What should be a horrifying scene of child abuse instead plays out like a fight scene from the Adam West Batman show.
- Why is Talon Ted so upset? Because his sister made him get a degree in acting and that hurt his "pride". And now he refuses to do anything with his life because of his bruised ego.
- As much as we adore Cherry-Lei and Ath-Lita, Mykan's portrait of her leaves much to be desired; he clearly didn't even try to remember his own story. She already has a cutie mark in the story itself, yet she's a blank flank in the picture. She also looks like a bad Palette Swap of Fluttershy with Bon Bon's colors. While they have the same voice actress, this is really pushing it.
- The Write a Wrong version of Stone Heart has a writing-related cutie mark: a broken pencil and pages flying out of a book. This helps make it even easier to believe his special talent is sucking at writing. Ironically enough, the Stone Heart in Write of Way has the same cutie mark and he even says outright that it's a cutie mark in bad writing, except this Stone Heart can actually write a good story. You'd think the positive reinforcement from readers of his good books (including Princess Celestia) would encourage him to climb out of his rut and turn his life around, but instead, he pulls a Talon Ted and instead starts wangsting about how it goes against his preferences and hurts his pride and dignity, pawns his paychecks off to charities so he doesn't have to look at them, and curses out the princesses for daring to pay attention to him for something he hated making. Long story short, he's a ridiculously overblown Drama King even by the usual standards of these fics.
- In Write a Wrong, the phrase "in cold blood", which is typically used for the most heinous of actions, such as murder, is applied to...somepony getting dumped.
- In End of Ends, during Count Logan's introduction, it is stated that his eyebrows "magically show through his mask to show his mood". An Expressive Mask isn't unheard of in media, but when the fic outright states that the eyebrows come out, it sounds even more silly than it probably should.
- The chapter "Nightmare comes true" as part of the END OF ENDS story is chock full of this. Let's start with the fact Equestria is destroyed in this chapter. You'd expect this to be an exciting and horrifying action scene showcasing the stakes but it's ruined by multiple factors:
- A) The characters just stand around doing nothing even as Count Logan murders Discord, Flurry Heart, and Shining Armor.
- B) Because the scene has the characters stand around doing nothing, it's really boring.
- C) Mykan only went through with this not to showcase the stakes, not to show how evil Count Logan is (despite what he may claim otherwise) but because he hates My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and wanted to see the world destroyed. It completely takes you out of the moment.
- D) Mykan went through with the above actions because he wanted to torture Princess Cadance some more and provide a petty Take That! to his haters. He continues to brag about the incident and that he'll do it more, even after everybody pretty much expects this of him.
- Bill Dollar's death plays out like something from a Black Comedy but Mykan expects you to take it completely seriously.
- Several things about Helper Soul.
- His leg. Despite being clearly paralyzed, it can still somehow feel pain. The reason it's in so much pain? Because it's meant to represent his aching heart. We get lines like "my leg is in constant pain, but not as much as my heart...!" without a hint of irony. These are the kinds of lines you hear in a bad Soap Opera, yet just like everything else, it's taken 100% seriously.
- As Foreshadowing, his backstory reveals his own mother died of Wangst; apparently, narminess is genetic.
- He figuratively dies from a broken heart. Unlike Bill, he doesn't even have the excuse of suffering from existing health problems; this physically healthy pony just drops dead from sheer Wangst. As if that wasn't absurd enough, he gets in a full song with his dying breath (with five different versions of the pony performing the musical number). Also, said musical number is a cover of "Christmas 1915", which is a song about The Christmas Truce. A song about two opposing sides in a war temporarily dropping the conflict and celebrating the holidays, only to continue the war as soon as the celebrations are over doesn't fit with a pony whining about not getting his way and then dying.
- In Mykan's Hypothetical Casting for Helper Soul, he picked Samuel Vincent (one of his best-known roles is Edd). Somehow imagining his lines spoken in Double D's voice makes them more laughable.
- Every single time he uses Sound Effect Bleeps in END OF ENDS and DARKNESS OF DIMENSIONS. There's no point in using them, since both fics have a higher age rating. Knowing Mykan, he put this in to imitate syndicated TV where major swears are bleeped out. And once again, he expects it to be taken seriously. Weirdly, he censors the F word but not the S word. It's even more egregious once you realize what these fics entail. We have civilians dying, left and right, several of which are children, sometimes in hilariously edgy ways, and the one thing he omits from his fics are uncensored uses of Precision F Strikes.
- Every single time a character starts ranting about how much everything sucks for them, they sound more like a child throwing a tantrum. Once again, we're meant to take them seriously.
- "The Meanie of Hearth's Warming". It's a title so silly sounding, it's hard to take it seriously. Knowing Mykan's love of referencing other TV series, it's probably supposed to be a reference to the Rugrats Hanukkah special, in which the protagonists mishear the phrase "meaning of Hanukkah" as "meanie of Hanukkah". Not that this helps, as the protagonists of Rugrats are little kids who you'd EXPECT to mishear a phrase like that.
- Mykan's typical mistakes in writing results in this gem of a line:
Robin: That Count Logan and his bitches will be story [sic] they came into existence, and tried to wipe out our own.
- In End of Ends, at the scene of the final battle where everyone is powered up for the final fight, every character gets a moment to vow to save Beast Boy from being Count Logan....but it falls completely flat with the MLP characters because they don't know Beast Boy. It just hammers in how pointless they are to the plot.
- From Beast Boy in Equestria:
- There's a scene where Terra is visited by her Guardian Angel and where the Titans' computers suddenly become sapient so Mykan can deliver his obligatory Author Tract and Exposition Dump. Both of these scenes are so out of left field and random, it becomes unintentionally comical. It doesn't help that the scenes with Terra and her Guardian Angel are a blatant rip off of It's a Wonderful Life and the Titans' computers' dialogue is taken directly from an episode of The Simpsons.
- The computers smugly explain Beast Boy's tragic past and lambaste the Titans for not being nicer to him because of it. One small problem with that: Robin's parents are dead, Raven's father is a demon, Cyborg was horribly disfigured in a car crash, and Starfire came to Earth as an exiled slave. Nobody in their team has had a happy childhood, and this doesn't even cover everything horrible that happened to them in the show prior. Beast Boy's behavior or nasty attitude shouldn't be excused or treated as completely justified just because "he had a rough time as a kid and got insulted a lot".
- In End of Ends, when the Mane Six and Discord realize they're probably doomed, they break out into song, leading to a very big Mood Whiplash in the form of an unnecessary, gratuitous musical number.
- Hearth's Warming Eve Carol is chock full of this. Not only does the story manage to completely miss the point of one of the most adapted stories ever but Miser Stash's backstory is so over the top with tragedy, it becomes unintentionally funny in a Crosses the Line Twice way. This line, in particular, seems to have come straight out of a Black Comedy, especially with the punctuation:
"Why do I keep losing things... ON HEARTHS WARMING?!! TELL ME WHY———————-!!!"
- Darkness of Dimensions:
- Like many of Mykan's stories, it's framed as if it were a movie. One of the ways this framing device manifests itself is by giving the Dark Angels diegetic subtitles!
- The emotional weight of Beast Boy's parents dying is almost immediately ruined when they are referred to not as scientists, but Scientologists, an error that comes up again in the epilogue where the Cosmic Retcon causes Pinkie Pie to become a much calmer pony with a desire to become a Scientologist. You heard that right: Pinkie Pie the Scientologist. That alone is worth uproarious laughter.
- In the crossover between Teen Titans and Equestria Girls named "HSM V Ways of Life", Mykan gives an unnecessarily long explanation for why the Teen Titans are powerless and in high school: that they've been reincarnated into new lives with no powers and will never become superheroes... or what most people would refer to as a High School AU.
My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic
Do you believe in a truly compelling and touching narrative? You do? Well, if the world of United Equestria believed as much as you do, we wouldn't have these unintentionally hilarious moments.
- For starters, the mere concept of Starfleet: alien pony Power Rangers. There's pretty much no way for that premise to not be inherently cheesy, which could theoretically make for a legitimately entertaining time, and yet they're meant to be taken seriously. Then Mykan starts going on Author Tracts and bashing Friendship is Magic with these characters, and the cheese factor goes through the roof.
- The character names, which are either severely lacking in creativity or make no sense at all. Or both.
- The Space Ponies hail from a planet called "Unicornicopia". Not only is it an awful pun, it doesn't exactly sound like the kind of place that gives birth to a society as supposedly militaristic as the Space Ponies.
- Mykan's obsession with the word "heavenly"; "Celesto", "Leilani", and "Castor" all mean "heavenly", and that's apparently why he chose them. Not helping matters is the fact that the first of those three greatly resembles "Celestia".
- Let's go over Celesto's name one more time, shall we? It is true that "celestial" can, in fact, mean "belonging or relating to heaven". However, the pronunciation being "CHE-les-tow" doesn't make a lick of sense; the common pronunciation for the word is "səˈlesCHəl" like Celestia's name. Adding a "ch" sound not only sounds pretentious, but also makes it come across as though Mykan thinks he's more clever than he actually is.
- The names of some of Mykan's Author Avatars: Grand Ruler Celesto Arron Goldenite and in the Equestria Girls universe, Celesto Grandruler.
- For that matter, "Mykan Stevens". It's bad enough that it's the most blatant of the bunch, but his pony self is named the same thing in a world where names like "Lightining Dawn", "Rhymey", "Brain", "Dyno", and "Myte" are still commonplace. Even the two parts that make up his name clash with one another; the real Mykan got his alias from his sister, who thought it sounded like an anime name, and Stevens is clearly European in nature (more specifically, German). In other words, what we have is a name with two halves that don't make a whole.
- Just the fact that a character is named Rhymey, as if the story is basically conceding he's just a walking Verbal Tic.
- Nightmare Moon introduces herself as "Super Nightmare Moon" in the rewrite. It's apparently meant to make her seem more threatening, but instead ends up sounding incredibly ridiculous. It doesn't get any better later on: after taking over Equestria, she renames it "Nightmarica," and her fused One-Winged Angel mode with Titan's minions is "Nightmaricus." Nightmare Moon must've taken naming lessons from Asgore or something.
- Really, anytime the word "super" or any variation there of is added to someone or something's name to try and make it sound impressive.
- Krysta's son, Twink. Anyone familiar with LGBT slang will likely have a field day with that one. You know, if they're not thinking of Twink from Paper Mario 64 or Rainbow Brite.
- The Dark King's minions' names are literally just words spelled backwards. Why the Dark King chose to name his minions like that is never properly explained.
- Esroh Dab gets it worst of all. At least the others get backwards versions of "demon", "alien", etc. His name is just "Bad Horse" spelled backwards, bringing to mind someone scolding their pet pony. It doesn't help that "Dab" usually refers to... something else.
- The Cardinals' names are hilariously unimpressive, sometimes bordering on Fluffy the Terrible. Buster Beak? Boar Bottoms? Big Bull? Apparently, like Nightmare Moon, these baddies took lessons from Asgore. For specific examples:
- Underdog. Whoever named this poor schmuck must've really hated him, because the name does not reflect well on its fighting ability.
- Going back to Big Bull, he shares his name with another taurine minor antagonist from the same fanfic this Big Bull debuted in. It's truly a telling testimony to the fic's creativity.
- Special mention goes to Baa Baa Black, whose name tries to look dark and edgy while referencing a nursery rhyme. Words cannot fully express how stupidly hilarious the end result is.
- Some of Stammadon's minions' names leave much to be desired. Rhinotaur and Blastar/Blastra are painfully on-the-nose, Emosha is like the first two except that it's also an awful pun, Kara Shi sounds like the Japanese word for mustard (as well as resembling, even more unfortunately, the Chinese phrase for "(time to) take a dump" - ouch), Tan Shi resembles the Chinese verb "to visit", En Shi shares her name with an actual city and prefecture in China, and Rai Shi means "food container" in Japanese.
- In "Babies Make Three", several babies are born and their names leave a lot to be desired. "Seedling" is arguably the most tolerable of the lot due to at least sounding like a pony name, and "Twilight Sparkle-Scales" is a bit on-the-nose, but "Button Fly" is just plain absurd and nonsensical (unsurprisingly, it was coined by Rhymey) and has nothing to do with anything aside from being a zero-effort rhyme with "Fluttershy", and it also sounds like something you'd find in the crotch area on a pair of Levi's 501s.
- The natives of Firmos are heavily associated with metal, and even their appearance reflects that. That wouldn't be so bad if weren't for the fact that they're called the Fermentials. It's impossible not to think of pickled food after that.
- In "Faith of the Blind", Starfleet meets the very on-the-nose Blisstonians, just in case it wasn't already obvious from the blurbs what kind of Hat they wear.
- Also, two of the Blisstonians are named Primm and Prei. Real subtle, Mindia, looks like you've also been learning from Asgore.
- The narration tends to describe a scene occurring in slow motion despite the fact that this is not a visual medium.
- Many character designs due to how poorly edited they are. For a few specific examples:
- Lightning's suit and armor are white like his fur, except for the shoulder pads and loin guard that turn golden when he powers up. When powered up, it unfortunately looks as if Lightning's not wearing pants or, even worse, is naked, with only shoulder pads, boots, a loincloth, wristbands, and tattoos on him.
- The pantslessness problem also applies to Starla, Penny, Grand Ruler, Rarity, and Shining Armor, who all also have a white coat.
- The Grand Ruler's three horns are positioned in a way that just makes them look weird and out-of-place. Also, the "Triceratops" jokes basically write themselves. Additionally, his body design is based heavily on Princess Celestia, meaning that he has a female face. He's also drawn with white skin/fur and a white spandex suit with armor over it. It kinda looks like the suit is his skin/fur and his armor only covers as low as his crotch.
- Starla is literally just Rarity badly photoshopped into a humanoid form.
- Distraught is basically Discord given a gaudy Palette Swap in colors that don't quite go together, making him look rather clownish. He also looks like he's wearing a Dodgy Toupee.
- Fratello looks like a rather generic Tin-Can Robot from a '50s B-movie. Not the most threatening design for a villain.
- Raven just looks like the Teen Titan of the same name with photo-shopped bat wings, an MS Paint pony face, and a golden Uniforce horn that really has no place being there, clashing with the rest of her colors.
- Lightning Dawn's Enticorn form. Anyone familiar with Ben 10 (especially its Alien Force incarnation) will recognize what he based it on, never mind he clearly traced a picture of Ben himself when he created a picture of it. Also, the golden horn and Super Saiyan hair just look out of place.
- If you look closely at the pictures of Penny Sillion and Inquerius, you'll notice that their right thumb extends as far as the other fingers and looks as if it was fused with their ring finger. Oops.
- The staggering amount of Palette Swaps is already bad enough. The fact that some of the characters with copied designs aren't even the same species as the original takes this to a completely new level of Fridge Logic.
- Lightning's suit and armor are white like his fur, except for the shoulder pads and loin guard that turn golden when he powers up. When powered up, it unfortunately looks as if Lightning's not wearing pants or, even worse, is naked, with only shoulder pads, boots, a loincloth, wristbands, and tattoos on him.
- A lot of the titles for "episodes", "movies", etc. for how lacking in creativity they are.
- Of note is the fourth episode, "Rollin' Rocks" due to it sharing the same name with a certain angry nerd's favorite beverage. Now try reading "Rollin' Rocks" while drinking Rolling Rock on the Roll 'n Rocker.
- Brian Wilson fans may also be reminded of "Roll Plymouth Rock" from Smile. Now try reading "Rollin' Rocks" while listening to "Roll Plymouth Rock" and drinking Rolling Rock on the Roll 'n Rocker.
- "Starfleet Events" due to how it does not convey anything specific that occurs in the story. It might as well be named "Starfleet Does Things".
- Likewise, a lot of the attack names are just as lacking. "Paint Bomb?" "Leaf Swarm?" "Drill Quill?" "Boom Boom Flare?" Heck, one attack is named "Star Shower"! This fic isn't even trying to hide its lack of originality!
- There's also the fact that the three-horned Grand Ruler's unique power is called the Uniforce. Setting aside the Ironic Name (assuming it wasn't ripping off the name of the Triforce), you couldn't make the plagiarism more blatant if you tried.
- Some of the attacks themselves have laughable descriptions, such as Artie's "Paint Bomb" being a barrage of multicolored paint launched from his mouth. Which means he basically attacks by puking rainbows. Similarly, every attack Cookie Dough uses in his one fight scene (which was given to Artie in the rewrite, making it marginally better) is too cartoonish to be taken seriously, involving cream pies, eggs, and an egg whisk.
- Also, the transformation phrases and Transformation Name Announcements because of how unoriginal and ridiculous sounding they are. The worst of these are Buddy Rose's "Power of Fauna" (which should be "Flora"), and Rhymey's "I summon from within, the Power of Wind" for being so blatantly different from the others that it barely even fits with the rest. That, and it's easy to misinterpret it as another type of wind from within.
- How poorly choreographed the fight scenes are. They basically boil down to: Lightning running at the bad guy and getting owned, both sides shouting silly attack names at each other with said attacks not really doing anything until the plot wants them to, the bad guys falling victim to a Deus ex Machina when they have the heroes on the ropes, and Lightning coming in to Kill Steal after kind of just standing there for most of the fight. So Bad, It's Good the first time you read one, mind-numbingly boring for the next fifteen.
- Mykan loves to pepper the narration with onomatopoeia, and as such, a lot of scenes that were meant to be epic or dramatic... aren't. Take Fratello's Heroic Sacrifice in Starfleet Events, for example:
Upon contact, the bomb inside him exploded in a huge BAM, trigging the eruption of the volcano, and caused the main reactor to explode in one might huge BOOM!!note
- The militaristic Space Ponies evidently teach their soldiers how to dance and sing, often spontaneously bursting into choreographed musical numbers when one of the main cast starts a song.
- In 'Dance-Dance Solution', it's revealed by Star Swift that dancing really is part of Starfleet's training regiment.
- Mykan's song choices are just odd. The original has examples like Barney & Friends, and even then you get songs from Sesame Street, High School Musical, and Today's Special (his personal favorite). Regardless of whether or not you like these works, it's kind of jarring to hear them in what's supposed to be an action-oriented story (for reference, just try picturing any iteration of the Power Rangers singing a Barney song).
- Mykan's tendacy to place incredibly immature sounding similes into the narration. It can be rather awkward reading about how characters are going to get "crushed" like "pancakes" or "grapes" in what is supposed to be a serious scene.
- Lightning frequently uses the exclamation "Galloping Galaxies!" It's one of those lines you'd expect from a Saturday morning cartoon with copious amounts of Ham and Cheese, which isn't much of a problem until it shows up in a scene that's supposed to be taken seriously, thereby deflating any possible drama built up beforehand.
- The villains creating one-shot monsters out of whatever happens to be nearby occasionally has just plain silly results. Such as a hot-air balloon, a bunch of make-up wands and personal mirrors, and a hot pot.
- Mykan states that he despises Twilight Sparkle for forcing everyone to be friends with each other. However, Starfleet is perfectly sane and rational by forcing everyone to change their species, their way of speech, worship their new god-dictator without question, and submit to their new government with every single naysayer being either locked in an asylum, or brainwashed into agreeing. Moral Myopia doesn't even begin to cover this, and it makes his paragraphs long rant about how she's such a demonic soulless witch for wanting people to be nice to each other look utterly melodramatic.
- In relation to the above, Mykan's most hated character of the lot is Princess Cadance. Why is this, you may ask? Because she's Happily Married, Beast Boy and Davis Motomiya didn't get with Terra and Kari respectively, and he made a personal vow never to fall in love even in his adult years because he's afraid of rejection. Somehow, Cadance having a husband goes against his entire worldview. And yet somehow, it's okay for Lightning Dawn and Starla Shine to have a relationship and eventually wed, and it's also perfectly fine for him to ship Rhymey with Fluttershy, Celesto with Celestia, Artie Bristles with Sunset Shimmer, Spike with Rarity, and Buddy Rose with Tree Hugger. Just the sheer fact that he's willing to get on somepony's case for getting married when he's just as guilty of the same thing is simply amusing.
- This gets taken to new heights in IX, which is entirely about romantic love and marriage, complete with a Love Triangle, at least two new couples, the villains wanting to purge the world of love, and a new healing move literally called "The Healing of Love". It's so hypocritical, it jumps across the line into hilarity.
- In the comments section of the blog, after it is pointed out that solar powered trains are not effective, Mykan pretty much ignores this, then he has a Dyson Sphere explained to him, and is asked why Starfleet doesn't have one. He says it's because it would generate too much heat. After it is further explained, he clarifies what he actually meant. Please don't bang your head on the desk.
No, no... my dyson vaccum[sic], which is powered by Electricity as well, gets really hot after use.
- Also in relation, in the comments on this blog, Mykan states that if a Space Pony and an Equestrian were to mate, the result would always be a Space Pony in spite of Celesto starting out as an Equestrian and the others being his children, technically speaking. It's like if a Saiyan and an Earthling get together; would Mykan call Gohan and Trunks pure-blooded Saiyans because their fathers were Saiyans?
- Apparently, a couple getting together in one universe means that the same people from a different universe should also get together. While the original EG series only has Cadance and Shining Armor, in the Starfleet Humans series, we get Grand Ruler and Celestia, Fluttershy and Rhymey, and Artie and Sunset Shimmer, and while human!Lightning and human!Starla aren't a thing as of yet, the latter still pines for the former, and others encourage their relationship. This highlights just how forced all these relationships are.
- For some reason, the fic tends to give an awful lot of characters dead parents as a backstory. Celesto, Lightning Dawn, Starla Shine, Buddy Rose, Daphne Dil, Distraught, Spike, Jetar, human!Lightning Dawn, Tree Hugger, pony!Mykan, Sienna and Mako, En Shi, human!Sunset Shimmer, and Apple Spice have all lost their parents, often quite violently. By the ninth season, this trope has been used so often that it unintentionally loops back to being darkly hilarious. Highlights include:
- Human!Lightning's parents died in a car crash. Why did they die that way? Because some Jerkass threw a can at the car, spooking them into crashing their car (see Starfleet Events for more info). In other words, the can kicked them.
- Buddy Rose losing his parents (and sister). That alone isn't Narm... until we find that his cousin Daphne ''also'' lost her parents as well. The sheer coincidence of the two cousins losing their parents can come off as particularly darkly funny.
- Vistulans levitate and explode upon death, as Calista kindly showed us. Readers will have a field day imagining Dearka's parents' deaths!
- Mykan actually wrote a rebuttal against the criticism of Calista's death from this very website's "What an Idiot" section. Three notable bits are (1) when he reads the argument that Dearka should have shielded Calista and he somehow gets the impression that the issue is Von Devilor's hesitancy to attack one of his own men rather than Dearka's armor, (2) when he states that Calista is supposed to die anyway so it wouldn't matter what protective measures the characters took, not comprehending that writing so that they did would make the villains seem very strong instead of making the heroes seem very stupid and (3) when he insists that readers are to read by his rules.
- The very idea of "the magic of believing". Believing in what specifically, we are not told until near the end of the second chapter of the first fic where Celesto says that Lightning has learned to believe in his own inner magic; up to that point, all we get is Lightning shouting "I BELIEVE" until lasers start shooting out of his horn.
- It gets taken to absurd heights in the finale of season 1, where the ponies bring their destroyed planets back into existence by joining hands and believing really hard. It's evidently supposed to be an awesome demonstration of the power of belief, but instead, it generally elicits a different response.
- The story's claims about Lightning's superior strength are immediately called into question when Buddy Rose tasks him with delivering a crate of vegetables to Cookie Dough and he strains the whole way. It's even worse in the original, where instead of a crate, Lightning was struggling to carry a basket.
- When Cookie Dough is introduced in chapter 1 of the original, the patrons of the Rainbow Dish Inn (which is an unintentionally ridiculous name in and of itself) all stand up in unison and start chanting "Hail Cookie Dough! Hail Cookie Dough!" The resemblance to Those Wacky Nazis, given that it occurs in a restaurant, makes it unintentionally humorous. It's even kept in the remake.
- Starfleet are supposed to be a badass interplanetary peacekeeping crew... and then chapter 2 of the original fic has them running scared through Violet Swamp and literally being frightened by their own shadows at one point. In the remake, it's slightly mitigated; Lightning Dawn is the only one who gets scared despite his being trained by the Grand Ruler.
- Episode 4 of the original has Lightning being hospitalized for exercising. Unsurprisingly, this scene does little to convince the reader of his supposedly superior physical strength and instead makes him look like a complete loser.
- Dyno and Myte live in a place that's unironically named "Big Brown Canyon." Enough said.
- Some Rouge Angles of Satin moments are pretty hilarious, but one in particular stands out. Early on in the original fic, resident Generic Doomsday Villain Lord Titan has the "heroes" right where he wants them, and gets thwarted by the timely arrival of Dyno and Mite. When Lightning gets free, he shoots Titan a look of "furry". Another particularly funny one is in Cookie Dough's introduction, which claims that "he could satisfy the appetite of anyone, even if they were even hungry."
- The fact that the protagonists are seriously frightened (though partially due to a curse) by bad dreams in one chapter, to the point that they're afraid to have anything do with their hobbies for several hours. Contrast that with the Mane 6's reactions in the FiM episode Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?, where they were scared for only a few seconds when they woke up. Curse or no curse, it makes them look incredibly incompetent.
- "Up, Up and a Balloon" has Rep-Stallion's balloon monster trying to suck in Lightning, Krysta, and Brain, with all three of them hanging on for dear life. Then the latter two slip and are swallowed by the monster and Lightning calls out their names in anguish. It's then immediately revealed that Krysta and Brain are completely fine since the monster is simply an animate balloon, making the entire scene rather melodramatic.
- The Grand Ruler loses all possible credibility (at least, in the original version) when he's shown playing hopscotch to a disco remix of "Pop Goes the Weasel" (directly copied from Today's Special, no less). Here it is in video form (it's not the Grand Ruler, but it's pretty much the same deal).
- The remake replaces the instance with "Moses Supposes". Not much of a better choice, especially when both choices happen right before the (not) final battle with Titan.
- The battle with Titan has a particularly absurd case of talking dragging a battle to a halt when Grand Ruler starts reciting an eight-line chant (which, incidentally, is most likely derived from the summoning chant of The Winged Dragon of Ra) to summon the Uniforce and blast Titan with it. And Titan just stands there and lets him.
- Grand Ruler getting bullied as a colt. It's the classic, overdone "hero gets bullied for a quirk despite that quirk being very desirable" cliché, but Celesto takes this to new heights with his golden wings and horns. Supposedly, the other colts would've labeled him a freak... except that alicorns like Celesto are usually royalty, if not borderline divinity, who run very important functions like controlling the day-night cycle. If anything, Celesto would've been treated with awe by other ponies. As a result, the attempt to make Celesto sympathetic only made his sheer Sueness much more obvious.
- "Dangerous Discoveries" has Titan's minions luring the heroes out by setting O-Range on fire... except they didn't and it turned out to be just an illusion when Lightning and company show up. Poke the Poodle doesn't even begin to describe it. It really doesn't help the inherent silliness that this is the chapter where the remaining villains supposedly start pulling out all the stops to avenge Titan, but God forbid they resort to property damage.
- The fact that the main villain of this story is a finch is sure to reduce their chances of being taken seriously.
- The thought of these strong and superior Space Ponies getting outmatched by untrained Diamond Dogs is nothing short of beautiful irony. The In-Universe explanation is that "they had strong armor".
- In "Trial of Misdjudgement", Starla discusses with Lightning that she has some issues with her figure, saying that her legs are "skinny as pancakes" (which is a really bizarre way of describing a person's legs) and makes Lightning promise that he won't tell anyone else what she told him, which he does. So, of course, Starla overhears Lightning use the simile "skinny as pancakes" in a conversation with the other ponies, making her believe Lightning broke her trust. In turn, Lightning is confused on why Starla is suddenly upset with him. Starla then spends the rest of the episode refusing to tell Lightning what's wrong, all so we can have the cliché "character hears another character say something out of context, leading to an argument" plot.
- "Part 1: Illusions of Darkness" has a search for a MacGuffin protected by magic that casts illusions of what the treasure-seeker fears. Apparently, Princess Luna's fear is the boulder scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
- The birth of Leilani and Castor. As this blog points out, for some reason, Starfleet, for all their shilling of their technological superiority, doesn't even have ultrasound to monitor pregnancies; otherwise, the twins would've been detected 10 weeks into the pregnancy. Which means that either they haven't discovered it yet, which makes no sense for such a supposedly advanced intergalactic society, or Celesto is just a massive cheapskate. Either way, it's rather amusing.
- After Distraught leaves a curse on them, Starfleet goes to Castor and Leilani's room to find them missing and the room destroyed... except that they were with GR the whole time and it was destroyed by Distraught's curse after the three left. Poke the Poodle at its finest.
- Made even funnier by the comparison to the other effects of Distraught's curse, like rampaging beasts. Because as we all know, property damage is just as bad as monsters endangering people.
- Lightning Dawn has to get a MacGuffin that will hurt a being if there is evil in them. Lightning starts to grab the orb and then... nothing happens, he gets it with no ill consequences. This scene was clearly a reference to when Tommy Oliver had to get the Zeo Crystal in the third season of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers; the thing is that when Tommy did it, he was actually hurt by the crystal because it detected his evil past as the Green Ranger, but then it allowed him to hold it because it sensed him redeeming himself and the entire point of the scene was to show just how far Tommy has come.
- It also takes the reader out of the moment when you realize that Lightning Dawn is a complete and utter Jerkass during Starfleet Humans, giving the impression that the MacGuffin is simply not working rather than Lightning being pure and good. Or that the MacGuffin is of the same moral principles as Lightning.
- The "intro" and "ending" to the "movie" have the Friendship is Magic themes start to play before Lightning Dawn interrupts and changes them to the Starfleet Humans "themes". The Author Tract in the scene (and Lightning's jerkassery) is so blatant, it's almost amusing.
- The fact that Celesto Grandruler is a retired billionaire astronaut who built and owns a high school and part of the island where the Starfleet Humans stories take place in, and also adopted the human counterparts of Starfleet. And his limousine transforms into a rocket ship. Fiction 500 has never been quite so over-the-top, and if this were any other work, Celesto would come off as a Parody Sue.
- The characters referring to the upcoming basketball game as the "grand game" instead of "big game".
- Flash Sentry and Queen Sapphira referring to humans as "Earth-girl/boy/woman/man" which makes them sound like aliens from old sci-fi films (or the Psychlos).
- Human Starla Shine being bullied. It's the typical cliché of "girl getting bullied despite being incredibly attractive" but usually the girl in question has some sort of quirk that would make her a target. Starla doesn't have any of those. There's also the "nickname" the bullies give her, "Little Star" which sounds less like an insult and more like a nickname a parent would give to their daughter.
- The Starfleet Humans apparently learned martial arts just by reading about it from books. Later in the climax, they receive the Starfleet powers from Lightning Dawn and suddenly know several different fighting styles, which renders their knowledge on martial arts entirely redundant.
- Mykan's explanation for why Human Inquerius, a pointless side character, speaks only in questions, is that she suffered a stroke. What's really Narmy is the lack of explanation for why Human Rhymey speaks only in rhymes, which unintentionally implies that he probably also has some form of brain damage.
- When the characters are auditioning for the school play, it is painfully obvious who is going to get which part: Lightning and Starla will be the main couple, Rhymey and Fluttershy will be the Beta Couple, and Sunset will be the villain. Suffice it to say, the idea that actors can only play characters that have the same personality as them as demonstrated by this fic is patently untrue (see: Mean Character, Nice Actor and Funny Character, Boring Actor), which makes it harder for the story to pass them off as master actors like it tries to.
- Raven's death threats toward Celestia are a bit too ridiculous to take seriously with the gratuitous capslock and double exclamation marks, especially since she feels the need to send more than one, as if she's worried that Celestia might forget. Mykan apparently got the idea from The Simpsons episode Cape Feare, not realizing that there's a huge difference between a ten-year-old, powerless boy like Bart and a millennia-old, powerful monarch who's most probably received death threats before.
- On Herboss, we get Buddy's first love (and later ex) Lily Bud wearing a stark white formal dress. In the jungle. On a military mission. While enemy forces are destroying the planet. And not only does Lily bring a formal dress for no particular reason, but she and Buddy start making out while still being the only ones still awake at night and it's obvious they're not keeping a watch for surprise ambushes at all. The sheer idiocy of the two goes way beyond Skewed Priorities and into unintentional hilarity.
- The scene (and the fact that she brought along a formal dress just to make it look romantic) makes it crystal clear what Lily's true role in the story is.
- Also, Rarity constantly gets flack in the fics for being vain and obsessed with beauty, but here, Lily brings a formal gown for no reason other than the slim chance Buddy would be around in Herboss, and wears it in the middle of the night just to kiss Buddy, but is never called out for potentially putting herself in danger. Double Standard, anyone?
- Twilight's death is presumably supposed to be a Tear Jerker moment, and is built up to be tragic. Too bad it loses all meaning when you realize that Mykan went through with this because he hates Twilight (the fact the characters proceed to blame Twilight for her own death should give that away). Also not helping matters is how Lightning responds to the horrendous act that had just occurred:
"And he threw his head high up into the air and let out a very loud and mournful NEIGH⦠just like the pony he was."
- There are videos playing out how the death scene in question should go down. We have references to The Phantom Menace, Power Rangers Time Force, and the first Spider-Man movie all spelled out for us in case the viewers couldn't possibly make the connections. It also gets in the way of the scene, breaking up the flow just to tell us how the scene is going on instead of letting the viewers put the pieces together. In addition to that, Twilight's death plays out like this.
- Twilight's body spontaneously goes up in a fiery explosion for no good reason during her death throes, taking a lot of dramatic impact out of the moment. It also becomes a particularly dark Hilarious in Hindsight moment in the next chapter when Lightning fights Twilight's spirit in his mind and she once again explodes on defeat. As it turns out, you can explode twice.
- Dyno and Myte's home planet is called El Mundo. Problem is, El Mundo is Spanish for "the planet", meaning that whenever the narrative says "the planet El Mundo", they're also saying "the planet the planet". What a way to admit that being "Spanish" is their only Hat with Google Translate.
- Lightning and Starla's wedding wouldn't be this trope if it weren't for the fact that it is literally a copy-and-paste of Cadance's wedding. Twilight would've been the maid of honor, the CMC are the flower girls, even Starla's gown is a modified version of Cadance's. It's so lazy, it really, really cements how little character Starla has other than being Lightning's love interest.
- Lightning Dawn can't bring himself to tell Sunset Shimmer and the rest of human cast that Twilight Sparkle is dead and lies to them by saying... she has a cold. And they believe him. Also, when the truth comes out, everyone just kinda gets over it. Completely brushing off that Twilight is dead and Lightning lied to their faces about it.
- Starfleet Humans: Starpops is pretty much a rich well of unintentional hilarity in its entirety (mostly due to the villains being gut-bustingly hilarious for all the wrong reasons), but a few moments really stand out:
- The Starfleet Humans and the HuMane Six forming a twelve person band. They also named their band "Starpops". They get the name from Rhymey's "rhyme" about how he comes up with his "poetry" on Fluttershy: "Oh, it's nothing really, it's not hard, and its really no real dread. When I think of Fluttershy and I look at a Star, it just Pops into my head."note
- Earlier, they talk about missing Lightning Dawn... because they cannot come up with a decent name without him. And yes, Lightning is the one that comes up with the actual name based on Rhymey's ridiculous line.
- The villains of the story (Sirens who?) are the Demonites. They have a cover band with the name D-Man Knights. Their Villain Song is a cover of Michael Jackson's Thriller with THIS as the chorus (and yes, they're meant to be taken 100% seriously, because nothing screams "terrifying villain" like a boy band that sings Michael Jackson covers):
- The Demonites' song gets the entire camp dancing with them; suffice it to say, the mental image of the main villains leading a synchronized "Thriller" dance really isn't as scary as the main characters' reaction make it out to be. For that matter, our heroes being creeped out by what's basically a flash mob is hilarious in and of itself.
- Despite Mykan changing the lyrics, he still has Blaze sing Michael Jackson's iconic "Ow!" at the end of the song. It just doesn't fit well and it ends up giving the impression that Blaze got hit with something or was dragged offstage by the neck.
- The Demonites' second Villain Song is a cover of a parody of Lady Gaga's Poker Face (with said parody being incorrectly attributed to Lady Gaga) which includes lyrics such as "have a ball" and "bodacious". No, the fic is not a Stealth Parody, but it certainly could pass for one at this point.
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De De De Demonites
De De Demonites - Right before the Demonites perform their second musical number, they strike a "Super Sentai" Stance (complete with each member declaring their own name), making them look less like terrifying world-conquering demons and more like the Ginyu Force. In fact, Mykan links the Ginyu Force theme from Dragon Ball Z: Budokai as the Demonites' introduction.
- The fact that they are called the Demonites will remind any Team Fortress 2 player of the Demoknight, a certain build for that game's character, the Demoman. This in turn will inspire them to read all of the Demonites' lines in a bad Scottish accent.
- In order to break the Demonites' control over everyone, Starpops sing a cover of the song from the Arthur special featuring the Backstreet Boys. We are meant to take this seriously, but what makes it even more Narmful is that the lyrics are basically just Lightning singing a love song to Starla. The end result is just completely awkward rather than the powerful moment that it was intended to be.
- The Dark King may be a pitch-black giant made of evil, but it's pretty diminished by the utter lack of intelligence he demonstrates. In particular, going by the logic the series sets in Time Travel, the DK invading past!Starfleet from the Bad Future would cause his future to cease to exist with Starfleet, meaning that everyone loses. And with little indication that it's supposed to be intentional, and the likelihood that he had time to think this through, that leaves behind an antagonist not just Too Dumb to Live, but too dumb to let anyone else live, all while gripping the Villain Ball like it's going out of style. The sheer idiocy of his Evil Plan goes a long way to deflate what little drama there is of IV's plot, and makes the villains come off as pathetically, amusingly stupid at their best. If only great power came with basic critical thinking skills...
- Some of the Cardinal's designs leave much to be desired:
- Buster Beak the evil rooster. Sure, roosters can be aggressive bastards, but the idea of an unironically gigantic, demonic chicken is too silly to take seriously.
- Baa Baa Black one-ups Buster as a demonic sheep. And like Buster, it's not in an ironic Killer Rabbit way. It's got sharp teeth, claws, and dark wool to beat the reader over the head that it's evil. The idea of an unironically evil sheep that's never questioned can make some giggle at the sight of the "heroes" fighting for the world against a walking fluffball.
- Overlapping with WTH, Costuming Department?, Rarity falling for Esroh Dab become far less justified when you see that he looks like this. Unless Rarity of all people finds the equine equivalent of a fur-tone suit with the Cutie Marks covering his nipples attractive.
- After Rhymey unlocks his Mega Mode his "Thrash Slash" move becomes the even more ridiculously named "Super Duper Thrash-Slash".
- After Cadance runs away, she later returns as a ninja. For no particular reason, Princess Cadance of all ponies just happens to get a ninja Super Mode. It's so random that it borders on farcical.
- The author's insecurity regarding canon characters compared to his original characters reaches new levels with the claim that the Valkyries of Harmony are still weaker than the Space Ponies in their base forms. Additionally, it raises the question of why the Space Ponies were incapable of defeating Tirek if the power gap is supposedly so wide.
- When discussing Spike's crush on Rarity, both Spike and the others focus on the fact that he's a different species than Rarity. The stigma of an Interspecies Romance is treated as a major obstacle preventing Spike from confessing his feelings to Rarity, while glossing over the fact that Spike is a minor and either 5 or 7 years younger than the fully grown Rarity. This implies that United Equestria has issues with romances with non-pony species, but not romances with minors. Glad to know that at least our heroes (and by extension Mykan) have their priorities straight.
- Not helping their case is that in canon, no one bats an eye at either the existence of mules or the many Ship Tease moments between members of different species, like Yona and Sandbar, or Fluttershy and Discord, and since Starfleet radically altered their whole world, pushes their worldviews on anything they conquer, has a history of being... less than generous to other species, and any interspecies relationships being with the very closely related Equestrians,note this implies that the unintentional dissonance is specific to Starfleet's society. Our heroes, everyone.
- The deaths of Human Lightning Dawn's parents: One day, they were driving with their son when a bully threw a beer can into their car. This apparently caused them to freak out so much that they accidentally crashed, killing them and leaving Lightning an orphan.
- The pre-battle conversation between Human Lightning Dawn and a gang's leader is silly-sounding. This is despite the fact it's meant to be dramatic as he's confronting the gang who's responsible for the deaths of his parents, which started his Dark and Troubled Past.
The Leader: [to Human Lightning Dawn] So you wanna be a hero too, junior?
Human Lightning Dawn: You're nothing but a filthy bucket of scum!
The Leader: Wow, you're not very polite are you? Well, I am, that's why I'm gonna let you take it back. - Human Lightning Dawn has evidently been traveling the world and fighting all sorts of evil paleontologists. So basically, he's a Parody Sue version of Indiana Jones, except he wasn't written to be a parody. He also possesses incredible intelligence and athleticism, has practically every female member of his peer group fawning over him and is a certified teacher despite being younger than 20.
- The fic gives this gem at the very beginning of the first chapter, where the titular human drops that he's an astronaut. At age 18. After training for less than two years. And his name is Mykan Stevens.
- It gets even better; as if he wasn't enough of a Gary Stu, he went to college at 12, and university at 16. It sounds like something straight out of a parody fic... except it's not, and we're supposed to take it seriously.
- The chapter "Princess Avyanna" takes the time to mention that Kallan, Avyanna, and Mayne all mean some variation of "powerful". With no prompting or reason other than filling up space. We get it, they're Proud Warrior Race Guys.
- It's also blatantly obvious that Avyanna is a copy-and-paste of Amandiva from IV, in appearance, personality, and role in the plot. Truly a fitting demonstration of the fic's creativity.
- "Stranger and Strangers" also adds the "proper" pronunciation of Celesto's name next to it]], once again with zero prompting. It's jarring enough that it loops over to amusing, and the idea that the author takes "Che-les-tow's ' pronunciation seriously doesn't make it better.
- There's the Always Chaotic Evil Generic Doomsday Villain, and then there are the Insectos. According to Grand Ruler, they exterminate the inhabitants of planets, then get bored and destroy the planets, including their own. For the Evulz. Because they're just that evil. If this was supposed to convince us that the Insectos are pure evil, then it didn't work, because destroying planets for zero reason makes one sound more like a bad Silver Age comic villain.
- Not helping matters is just how impractical such a method would be. Only a few other characters have the power to destroy planets, and doing so is not only a waste of time and resources, but also destroys replenishable resources on the planet. Not to mention that there may not be enough places to retreat to in safety if the Armada is in great danger. Apparently, long-term strategy is not one of the Insectos' strong points.
- It also doesn't help that, in the season they debuted, we see them try this on only three planets, all of which failed, one of them didn't kill anyone, and the other two went horribly wrong. The only evidence of them being able to pull it off at all is the word of Grand Ruler. Informed Ability at its finest.
- Ladybird is mentioned to have a humanoid face. It's supposed to indicate that she's beautiful, but a human face on a goddamn insect is Uncanny Valley of the highest order.
- Pinsar is described as having four tentacles on his back. You heard that right; an insect with no relation to any sort of tentacle-bearing animal has tentacles for no reason whatsoever. That detail is so out of place for a bug that it comes off as farcical.
- When Grand Ruler first brings up Starlight Braveheart, he mentions how Braveheart worshiped him to the point where Braveheart thanked GR for every good day and preached to his wife and children about how grateful he is to GR and told them to be thankful to GR. The way he words this makes Braveheart look like an extremely devoted cult follower, and when combined with the Ho Yay in their relationship, this unintentionally makes their relationship look much creepier than it should be.
- It doesn't help that, as the progenitor of the Space Ponies, he's technically Braveheart's ancestor, and that GR admits to thinking of them as a family, meaning that Braveheart might as well be a surrogate son to GR.
- In "Pinkie and the Brain Bug", Penny mentions developing a technology so that if current treatments don't get rid of an infection in time, they can shrink a squad of soldiers to fight the infection themselves. You read that correctly. They are seriously considering fighting infections with their soldiers. Aside from ripping off Fantastic Voyage and the massive Artistic License β Biology this entails, it's our most hilarious indicator yet of just how militaristic our "heroes" are, basically confirming that Starfleet would rather shoot the problem until it goes away than consider far more practical solutions.
- In fact, the whole plot is this trope. For context, Pinsar sends a squad led by D-Bug to literally invade Lightning's brain but end up in Pinkie's instead because they never bothered to prepare for such a scenario. The premise is so jarringly ridiculous and stupid that the already cartoonish Insectos lose any remaining credibility from this chapter on.
- Spike recognizing the Black Dragon Knight's sex by smelling her pheromones is retroactively either this or Squick, depending on how you look at it. Later, she turns out to be his sister Scaley, which brings up some... interesting issues with the phrasing.
- The description of Scaley. She's described as looking almost exactly like Spike, down to the shade of lavender of scales... except for her red spines. Just imagining what a red-and-lavender color palette would look like on a dragon may bring up snickering at the thought of how garish it would be. (Or bringing to mind a genderflipped Spyro, which isn't much better.)
- Upon learning the Black Dragon Knight's true identity, Rhymey exclaims: βBut how can this be? A family member be an enemy!β Crappy grammar aside, this unintentionally suggests that Rhymey somehow didn't realize or understand that blood relatives can be enemies. The idea that Rhymey would be stupid enough to not know that relatives can hate each other is hilarious enough on its own, but that would also mean he forgot about Artie and his parents in IV.
- Celesto's battle against Pinsar, while it's the moment both of them show the most competence in the series, has this gem in the end of their Pummel Duel.
Celestia and Lightning could hardly believe this, but eventually, Grand Ruler missed a shit, and Pinsar slashed him hard in the arm!
- When Pinsar dies and transfers his power to Ladybird and Phoebe in "Passing the Crown", the scene promptly kills the drama when his body dissolves into "a million of sparkling lights". The quoted excerpt was in the original script, by the way.
- Cookie Dough and Khana Ling have a boy, much to Cadance and Shining Armor's envy. The boy's name? Chop Stick. Apart from sounding awkward and unoriginal, the name itself is a frank admission that Chop Stick's only personality traits are that he's "Asian" and his parents are cooks.
- Not helping matters is that Khana is spelled Khanna just a few paragraphs above his cameo.
- Even worse, members of Khana's family have Asianesque names like Ho Meng, etc. However, Chop Stick's name is clearly English, so either a) Cookie Dough came up with the name, b) Khana named him to honor Cookie, which brings even more problems, or c) it was to reference his half-"Asian" heritage, which begs the question of why they chose a plain utensil to celebrate his mixed heritage? Why not a snack or a type of food?
- Later in Season VII, his name is inexplicably spelled as one word instead of two.
- Cadance and Shining Armor are both sterilized at this point, so they ask Grand Ruler to use some of their cells to make a baby. Grand Ruler and Celestia object, on the grounds that they need to extract DNA samples from their reproductive systems and they're so badly damaged, extracting the samples from them could be fatal. This, however, falls flat when you remember that 1) extracting samples from one's reproductive system shouldn't be particularly dangerous or invasive, as evidenced by the numerous sperm and egg donors in real life, 2) both of them are infertile, meaning that using their reproductive system is out of the question to begin with, and 3) Grand Ruler successfully created 100 babies using only his blood and Celestia's hair, meaning that he can do the same with Cadance and Shining Armors' hair/blood without the risk of complications. The fact that no one pointed that out and went for the needlessly dangerous operation instead of the faster, safer one Grand Ruler had already done makes it pretty damn clear that this plot exists only to make Cadance and Shining Armor suffer for being Happily Married.
- Even better, Lightning Dawn saw Grand Ruler use the hair and blood to create the first space ponies in a dream. The fact that he didn't point this out to the others is spectacularly poor judgment on his part.
- Who got high on LSD and named their kid "Lippy Sync"!? Apart from being a shitty corruption of "lip-sync", it sounds as if the poor kid had a mouth sore or some other lip infection.
- Also, lip-syncing is basically prerecording a segment of speech and pretending to be speaking/singing/etc. Since the Milli Vanilli scandal, lip-syncing has been viewed with suspicion in the music industry as fake and cheap, which does not say flattering things about him.
- Even better: his Cutie Mark is a pair of lips talking. Clearly, Mykan is either running out of ideas or he isn't trying anymore.
- The rest of his family does not get much better. "Windy Bag" and "Big Chump" are pretty crappy, but "Biffy Box" doesn't even make sense.
- In "Founder's Day-saster", it's mentioned that the day is United Equestria's fourth birthday since Season I. Fair enough, until the very next paragraph also states that it's also Unicornicopia's 1055th birthday, and follows ''that'' one with a mention that Grand Ruler and Celestia's wedding anniversary is two days away from it. The sheer contrivance of the proximity of these special days makes what was supposed to be a special moment unintentionally hilarious and pretentious.
- In "Power Life Line", the Monsters Of The Week's destruction puts Cadance and Shining Armor's test tube baby Flurry Heart into cardiac arrest. The doctors tell the couple that they can't use magic or life support to save the baby, but Lightning steps in and... repeatedly strokes and presses the baby's chest to get her to breathe. And it works. For... some reason. Unlike Fluttershy's appendix, there's no getting around this blatant use of plot armor.
- The villains of "Power Life Line" are named Red, Yellow, and Blue, their group name is the Bug-a-Watts, and their combined form is the Tri-Bug. If it's not immediately obvious, they have no role in the story other than to nearly kill Flurry Heart, let alone personality.
- Kitty Snip's description leaves much to be desired. She's basically a humanoid with cat ears, teeth, a tail, and fur. Apart from the massive Uncanny Valley it invokes, it also brings to mind the characters of Cats.
- Grand Ruler's SPARKLY blood.
- A lot of the prisoners' designs are questionable at best, and straight-up laughable at worst. Some particular highlights:
- Tornado has a blower for a head. It's not hard to think of a leaf blower.
- Prankster is the best example, as a bunch of various prank gifts and toys make up his body.
- Domer has just a ball and crystal for a head, and a green uniform. Not to mention, that description makes it sound like his design was ripped off from Mysterio.
- When Lightning turns into the Comet Ranger for the first time without being brainwashed, the Transformation Sequence consists of him... surfing through a meteor shower and getting hit by rocks? Uh, sure, why not?
- The Chaos Guardian, the greatest threat in Equestria, is called "Chaos Gaurdian". Consistently. Even when Sienna calls his name to make him attack.
- The finale has Tree Hugger, Fluttershy, and Rarity all announcing that they're pregnant. At the same time. Yes, Babies Ever After is a thing, but this is the kind of scene you'd find in a cheesy rom-com rather than the action story these fics present themselves as being.
- When Striker is bragging about his power in the first episode, he calls the other cadets "silly weaklings". If he was trying to make a Badass Boast, it's not working. For one thing, the way it's worded sounds like something a 6-year-old would say, not a talented, arrogant military cadet.
- In the first episode, the royal dancers put on a show for a foreign ruler consisting of... disco dancing and hula hooping. Somehow, said ruler finds this show impressive.
- Similarly to Ladybird and Kitty Snip, Mowaza, despite being an anthropomorphic lion, is described as having a humanoid face. Like Ladybird, that detail's supposed to highlight her beauty, but like Kitty, it instead brings to mind Cats.
- When Striker hits Lightning with a shot of magic that causes him to fire his blaster at Queen Mowaza, the narration actually describes the whole sequence of Lightning crying out in horror, Grand Ruler and Celestia pulling the queen out of the way and the blast going out the window and exploding harmlessly in slow motion. To top it all off, the blaster had already been set to "capture", so there was no need for the dramatics.
- The single biggest example in this season is the fact that Starfleet accidentally freed the Big Bad from the box before they even signed the treaty entrusting them with it. Too Dumb to Live does not come close to describing their sheer ineptitude.
- Not helping their case was that the previous guardians of the box, the Ainzulians, had no problem keeping it sealed for ten thousand years. After this fiasco, what sane Ainzulian would want to have someone as incompetent as Starfleet ruling over them?
- When Stammadon summons Torron, the narration describes it as the carving representing Torron vanishing in sparkling lights and the minotaur appearing. It's hard to unironically take a scene that involves sparkling and the Villain of the Week appearing out of nowhere seriously.
- It's pretty hilarious that Stammadon, The Social Darwinist, has a much more diverse army than our 'heroes'. Like, Starfleet's military is mostly space ponies, with some Equestrians, fairies, and a single dragon sprinkled in, and the Herbolites, who appeared exactly twice in the entire fic, and both appearances were limited to III. This is without even getting into the "space ponies are better than everyone else" and "we know better than anyone else and deserve to conquer other planets because we know best" beliefs they get into. Meanwhile, no two members of Stammadon's army appear to be the same species, and one of his best generals has dwarfism. Ironic isn't it?
- It also doesn't help Starfleet's case that Stammadon's goals are incredibly vague and never gets more specific than rooting out the weak, and anything he does that could be remotely construed as Social Darwinism has been done by every other Big Bad in the series, both before and after him, further weakening the Aesop. This has the side effect of making VIII's failed attempts at an Aesop amusingly pretentious.
- When GR sends Starfleet off to evacuate Ainzul, Grand Ruler says, and I quote, "Good luck, My Brave Ponies". Yes, he really did capitalize those words In Case The Viewers Couldn't Tell It Was A Title Drop.
- Ainzul is described as having a red sky. One of the multiple ways to achieve such a color is pollution, lots and lots of pollution. Ainzul is based off of China. Cue the Chinese pollution jokes.
- When Pinkie Pie attempts to explain to Balia what happened with Stammadon, the narration describes her attempts as "long, quick sentences". Seriously?
- Stammadon's army is supposed to be a global threat, yet the first thing they do is terrorize a random town and all subsequent attacks are local in scale, with very little lasting impact on the heroes. So much for global threat. Actually, that would apply to a lot of villains.
- During the battle against Torron and the Shis, En Shi leaps up to pelt Starfleet with hail. Later, when Rainbow tries to stop En, she's still floating in the air, as if she was suspended midair. Talk about an epic Fight Scene Failure.
- Not helping matters is the way she releases hail, by making it fall out of her hair. It's not hard to imagine her just standing there and hail falling out of her hair, or her whipping it around and letting the hail fly everywhere.
- When Applejack attacks Rai Shi, he grabs her arm and lifts her off the ground. Not once does she think about kicking or spitting at him. Even if it was part of the plan to tire Rai Shi out, it's hard to see how being held off the ground by an enemy will be helpful in any possible way, and it can ''derail'' their plans, as he can use her as a shield. AJ's very lucky he "only" punched her away instead.
- Later, when Applejack is thrown across the ground, she crashes into Rainbow Dash. Who has super speed. Yeah...
- During the battle against Torron and the Shis, En Shi leaps up to pelt Starfleet with hail. Later, when Rainbow tries to stop En, she's still floating in the air, as if she was suspended midair. Talk about an epic Fight Scene Failure.
- In "Strength of Evil: Part 2", Stammadon describes the Ainzulians as wimpy and Starfleet as a strong force that he and his forces should focus on, despite the former having beaten him and kept him sealed for ten thousand years while the latter having just beaten one of his monsters and freed him through incompetence after two minutes.
- The secondary plot of the season is a Whole-Plot Reference to Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad. The problem is that the story states emphatically that, despite having advanced computer systems, United Equestria chose not to develop an Internet because they were convinced the cons outweighed the pros. Not only does the premise shoot itself in the foot (after all, you can't do a plot where Everything Is Online if there is no "online") and require Voodoo Sharks to hold itself aloft, it also makes the Space Ponies come off as completely lacking innovation; you'd think that a space-faring race would see the benefits of having an easily-accessible global communications system and information repository.
- In Chapter 8, when Monster of the Week Emosha is defeated, she yells "WHOA!! I'M FEELING THE BURN!!" Yes, really.
- Also, Emosha's superpower is manipulating emotions. It sounds genuinely creepy... until we find out that:
- 1) She uses it with magical fans.
- 2) She has to say what emotion she wants to invoke out loud and wave her fan ("Sleepy!" *waves fan*)
- 3) It releases magic waves to hit the target, waves that can be easily dodged as Starla has shown.
- 4) Instead of simply staying out of range of her opponents and making everyone too scared to fight her, she uses her powers to make Pinkie die of laughter, she accidentally makes Dyno and Myte fight with each other, and makes Starla cry. Again, yes, really. How are we supposed to take these villains seriously?
- Also, Emosha's superpower is manipulating emotions. It sounds genuinely creepy... until we find out that:
- It's one thing for Tree Hugger, Fluttershy, and Rarity to conceive children at the same time, but giving birth on the same day at the same time takes Contrived Coincidence to new levels. Once again, this is supposed to be an action show that takes itself seriously, not a sappy rom-com.
- Rarity and Spike's daughter is, obviously, a hybrid between a pony and a dragon. While she can be perfectly reasonably classified as a kirin (not to be confused with the ones from "Sounds of Silence"), Mykan refuses to use that term as he initially didn't believe that kirin were a thing and instead goes for the infinitely sillier-sounding "dragony".
- When Kara Shi runs to save Tan Shi from getting captured, he throws his sword away. Okay, but then it ricochets off of almost every Starfleet fighter in the vicinity. And it depowers everyone who was hit. This looks like something straight out of a Looney Tunes short, not an action series that takes itself seriously, especially not in a moment that's supposed to be dramatic.
- There are excusable typos, and there is this gem (don't say it out loud):
Scootaloo looked, and saw her come was sparking softly, having been slightly damaged when she fell and smashed it against the ground. βUh, ohβ¦β this canβt be good.
- The Big Bad's name is Von Devilor. Von. Devilor. Apart from being as original as Lippy Sync, it's apparently not immediately obvious that he's the bad guy.
- The Big Bad of the season is described to "[roar] like a fowl beast" during his introduction. It is difficult to not imagine him as a giant chicken after that.
- It's hard to take Von Devilor seriously when he's described as being attached to a fleshy formation that is throbbing, and to compound that, he also has tentacles. It's not very difficult to think of something else instead.
- Scarlet's name is misspelled as Starla when Von Devilor yells at her at one point.
- In "Factory Line Destruction", the blurb for the next chapter leaves a cliffhanger asking how Starfleet would save Rarity after she was badly wounded from the collapse of a factory during one battle against Dearka. Problem is, the description for IX already tells us of an operation that would turn her into a pony-dragon hybrid, making the cliffhanger come off as amusingly pretentious, so thanks, Mykan, for spoiling the event before the incident even happened!
- While Rarity is in the ER, the others discuss replacing missing and damaged parts of her body. Spike suggests that she should get dragon parts, and one of the reasons he cites is that their baby will be more comfortable if her parents looked more like each other. Keep in mind Spike and Rarity's relationship was cited as a milestone in Interspecies Romances in IV and V, and if he wanted Rarity to look more like a dragon, he'd be defeating the point of their romance.
- When Dearka details his supposed backstory, he mentions that he went to Vistula to crash a wedding and kill his parents just before the beginning of IX. For some reason, Starfleet recognizes the event as the same wedding with Lenora they intervened in at the beginning of IX... on Kiran. Even taking Dearka's Fake Memories into account, Starfleet wouldn't have known the backstory was fake at the time, so why did they (and perhaps the author) forget something as hard to miss as the planet where the attack occurred at the start of the Devils' invasion? So much for "superior intelligence".
- It gets even worse when they go to Vistula to verify if Dearka's account was true. Not once have they brought up the attack at Kiran/Vistula at the start of IX for questioning.
- Starfleet getting Calista killed through sheer stupidity, endangering the rest of Vistula in the process. Together with what happened with Ainzul, Conva, Twilight's death, Starla's kidnapping, and IV's future, one has to wonder how the hell are they still running an empire when their best forces have the intelligence of a vacuum. Or better yet, why anyone still trusts them to keep themselves safe, let alone anyone else.
- When Calista dies, her body is described as levitating, then exploding. Way to kill what little drama there was.
- It gets even better. This is literally how Vistulans die. Good luck imagining a Vistulan funeral.
- Bird themed typos strike again in "World War Two Ways", when Von Devilor says βFools! Your poultry powers will serve you naught here in my world! Only the hate and the darkness reign supreme here... allow me to show you!β If the foul/fowl typo didn't seal the rooster jokes, the paltry/poultry certainly will! Good luck taking Von Devilor seriously again.
- In the same episode, Starfleet gets separated into groups of three, and Krysta, Lightning, and Buddy get accosted by an army of shadows. Not once does Krysta use her portals to get them away from the clones. What makes this funny for all the wrong reasons is when she uses said portals to fight the monsters, and by the time she realizes she can teleport, it's too late. This did little to convince readers that she's not a Dumb Blonde and should be running an entire planet.
- Swift Star makes a speech about how tolerant Starfleet is in Chapter 8. Due to a few grammatical errors, however, while he mostly salvages the image of Starfleet, we have this gem...
- He also says in the same speech that you can't just say you are right and everyone else is wrong. Big words from a member of Starfleet.
- Spike and Rarity wind up getting trapped in a planet of dragons named, wait for it, Dragonia. Really original, isn't it?
- How about the fact that the dragon they're sentenced to fight is named Scarlight, when the villain Starlight already exists, and is described as having an "orange tummy". Doesn't exactly scream "intimidating".
- In "Faith of the Blind", Starfleet takes their hypocrisy to new heights when they admonish the Blisstonians for their Blind Obedience. This is a friendly reminder that these are the same guys who have repeatedly let others kill, kidnap, or abuse innocent people because the law stopped them, and also regularly scold people who break the rules to do the right thing.
- Then, they take their raging hypocrisy to new heights, as they completely switch opinions after saving the Blisstonians so they can shill themselves. To quote from the chapter itself:
Mindia never thought of it that way. She had always assumed that all blessings came from the heavens.
βMaybe in ways... they did.β said Dyno βYou prayed and wished for someone to help you while you were in danger, and me and my brother came.β
Myte nodded, βSi... and you did pray and hope for your survival. Even though the planet was lost, your prayers were still answered; we all helped you escape.β - In "Two-Timing Temptation", we get this sentence fragment:
Cadance dodged Waverlineβs every blast and attack, and Waverline blocked and defended herself from.
- Grand Ruler reveals that long ago, he fought an evil alien who could duplicate his spirit with martial arts to do the fighting for him. According to Ruler, he then fought the duplicate spirit until he had the cunning idea of targeting the actual enemy instead, who wasn't even fighting. Well, Starfleet's Idiot Hero tendencies had to come from somewhere...
- At one point, Lady Fair worries about Lil's increasingly erratic behavior, especially after Sole wants Lil' kicked out of the house. The narrative then tells the reader that this is strange for Lady Fair because she likes shopping more, and she even says out loud that it's weird of her to care about Lil'. Subtle.
- Lady then finds Lil', possessed by Little Jewel, in the foyer, and when Lady demands to know what's going on, Jewel tells her that she's going to use her for her Evil Plan. It's so comically frank and simple that it really takes one out of the moment.
Lil only laughed, βIβm not your daughter. Iβm the one whoβs going to use you and several others in a plot to make my dreams become a reality.β
Uh, shouldn't you be the one to know that? I know I personally have zero interest in reading an enormous wall of text about some guy's terrible fanfics to determine which Narm entries look objectionable.
- "Haha these names are funny" could go under Who Names Their Kid "Dude"?; Twinkle Belle's name being misspelled is a regular flaw.
- Complaining.
- Regular flaw.
- Complaining/regular flaw.
- Complaining.
- Complaining - maybe WTH, Costuming Department??
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining/regular flaw.
- Fridge Logic, complaining, Author Tract, complaining for the sub-bullets.
- Complaining.
- Complaining/regular flaw.
- Association Narm.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Fridge Logic.
- Author Tract, complaining, Fridge Logic for the sub-bullets.
- Mood Whiplash, complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining/writing errors.
- Complaining.
The general folder can be cut; as per definition, Narm is a specific moment.
Season 1
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Fridge Logic.
- Maybe fine if the comment about the name is cut.
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
- Rouge Angles of Satin, as described.
- Complaining.
- Anti-Climax.
- Do we have a trope for inappropriate music? If so, it should be here.
- See above.
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic.
- Anti-Climax.
Starfleet Movie: How the Finch Stopped Hearth's Warming
- Complaining.
Starfleet Magic: The Movie
- Not funny; also, several tropes (Informed Ability, etc.) fit better.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, association Narm.
Starfleet Magic: The Movie
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic, Poke the Poodle.
- Complaining.
Starfleet Humans
- Author Tract.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
Season 3
- Complaining.
- Idiot Ball.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, Author Tract.
- Maybe fine if trimmed.
- First sentence seems fine.
- El Spanish "-o".
- Satellite Love Interest, possible Fridge Logic.
Starfleet Humans: Starpops
- Angst? What Angst?, as mentioned, and Easily Forgiven.
- Formatting - this has no reason to be its own bullet.
- Informed Ability.
- Maybe fine if comment about the line is cut.
- Maybe fine if rewritten. Lyrics don't need to be included.
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
- Association.
- Complaining.
Season 4
- Fridge Logic, Stupid Evil.
- Complaining, extends to sub-bullets.
- WTH, Costuming Department??
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
Starfleet Movie: Human in United Equestria
- Author Avatar, complaining.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
Season 5
- Complaining.
- Fridge Logic, Uncanny Valley.
- Artistic License β Biology.
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic, Artistic License β Biology.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Retroactive examples not allowed.
- Complaining, association.
- Rouge Angles of Satin, Fridge Logic.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Grammar.
Side note: On Mad Max: Fury Road, a commented-out note says to not alter the Narm entry without consulting the Discussion page. Another user has brought up the Narm entries on the Discussion page, but the post has not been replied to. Should they be discussed there after consensus here, or just discussed here?
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrRegarding the Fury Road page, that note was added by HighCrate—presumably without discussion elsewhere?—in what looks like an attempt to stop an edit war. I don't see why they shouldn't be discussed here in this thread.
Just giving them a glance:
- Fridge, except for the last line, which doesn't stand on its own.
- Doesn't say what's funny.
- General
- ZCE
- Weblinks Are Not Examples
- ZCE and general
EDIT: I've removed the note & misuse and hidden the ZCEs.
Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Nov 14th 2022 at 8:40:55 AM
Right, thanks. As for the ZCEs:
- Entry could be rewritten to note how Joe simply shouting "On!" is incongruous or baffling considering the context of the scene.
- General. Cut.
Season 6
- Complaining, Who Names Their Kid "Dude"?, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Fridge Logic.
- Complaining, Who Names Their Kid "Dude"?.
- Complaining, association.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Fridge Logic, Contrived Coincidence.
- Ass Pull, as potholed.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, association.
- Association.
Power Rangers Starfleet
- Complaining, applies to sub-bullets.
- Complaining
Season 7
Season 8
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Complaining, association.
- Complaining, Fight Scene Failure.
- Fridge Logic, Idiot Ball.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining.
- Fridge Logic.
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Viewers Are Morons, as potholed.
- Complaining, association.
- Complaining, possibly Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Fridge Logic, general.
- Fight Scene Failure, as noted.
- Fridge Logic, Fight Scene Failure.
- Forgot About His Powers and Fight Scene Failure, as potholed.
- Character Shilling.
- Fridge Logic.
- Fridge Logic.
- Not funny.
- Indentation. The sub-bullets below this should not be a list.
- Not funny.
- Not funny.
- Not funny.
- Fight Scene Failure, Fridge Logic.
- Contrived Coincidence, as noted.
- Indentation. The sub-bullets below this should not be a list.
- Not funny.
- Fight Scene Failure, Pinball Projectile.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
Season 9
- Complaining, sub-bullet is As Long as It Sounds Foreign.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Not funny.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Trailers Always Spoil. (Do we have an equivalent for episode descriptions?)
- Fridge Logic, Broken Aesop
- Fridge Logic, Idiot Ball.
- Idiot Ball.
- Not funny. Applies to sub-bullet.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
Season 10
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
- Complaining, not funny.
- Complaining.
- Complaining.
- Hypocrite, Fridge Logic.
- Rouge Angles of Satin.
Season 11
- Complaining, Fridge Logic.
- Complaining, Viewers Are Morons.
- Not funny.
Seeing as the page is mostly either complaining or Rouge Angles of Satin misuse, I'd say cut the whole thing.
(Also, general reminder: please try to make your own notes when posting examples for discussion here. Expecting other people to do all the work is a tad irritating. )
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrCan someone please show me examples of Narm entries that are written well?
I think the "usage of sound effects during child abuse" could count if it's rewritten to be less general
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?I agree. Here's my attempt at tweaking it:
- The scene in which Miser Stash is beaten by his Abusive Dad should be a horrifying scene of child abuse. However, due to the onomatopoeia, it instead plays out like a fight scene from the Adam West Batman show.
Do you all think this example from YMMV.Smile 2022 is too general to count as Narm or Nightmare Retardant? (For the record, I'm bringing up NR because I feel it's more fitting.)
- Narm:
- If you don't find people smiling inherently scary, both the film and the trailer come across as downright ridiculous. However, when it becomes clear that the Smile Entity is anything but a harmless being who plays on the primal fear of the Slasher Smile, this can also qualify as Narm Charm.
The Smile entry is definitely too general for Narm, though I don't know if Nightmare Retardant has the same rule. If it doesn't, that should be a good place for the entry.
It sounds closer to Fridge Logic to me. Plus, even without that, it still sounds like a shoehorn imo.