Pre-release Guesses
- Possibly jossed: the story is about Eggman yanking Classic Sonic out of his timeline and transplanting him in the future, so Eggman could conquer the world in the past unopposed, thus ruling it in what is now Classic Sonic's Bad Future.
- Jossed even further. It's not Eggman who did it.
- Even more Jossed. This Classic Sonic isn't even from the same dimension, and there's no time travel involved.
- Jossed even further. It's not Eggman who did it.
- I don't think so. They said that there will be 3 gameplay styles and a brand new character. What would the third gameplay style even be like is anybody's guess.
- As interesting as that sounds, sadly it was confirmed that Sonic Boom's Sonic will not appear in this game.
- Definitely Jossed. The third character is confirmed to be a Custom Hero, and not a third Sonic.
- Jossed. The ending suggests that the adventures don't end here.
- That sounds super depressing, but we'll just have to wait and see.
- Jossed. Classic Sonic is the one who fades away, but only to return home.
- Technically Jossed, as this game's Classic Sonic hails from the Mania timeline.
- Sorry to burst your speech bubble, but it's Jossed. It appears that Modern Eggman has taken a full step up from his comedic antics and has actually conquered the world because of a mysterious gemstone called the Phantom Ruby. He actually means business this time.
- Jossed.
- Almost; just switch regular Sonic with Classic Sonic. Also, there doesn't seem to be any SatAM elements, as far as I know.
That would explain his presence perfectly!
- Um, the game itself isn't even out yet, so be patient. On a side note, the manual for Mania mentions a "mysterious power"... perhaps that power might lead to the events of Forces?
- Confirmed, though what you said about the ending was wrong. The good ending for Sonic Mania shows Classic Sonic getting sucked into a purple void and into an unknown location, leading to the events of this game.
- Jossed. The reason why Eggman took over the world is because he obtained the Phantom Ruby; putting Sonic out of commission and taking over the world in over 6 months.
- Jossed. Apparently, Dr. Eggman sent Classic Sonic into the present, resulting in the timeline where Eggman has won because Sonic isn't there to stop him. Classic Sonic meets up with his Modern counterpart and they all formed a resistance to try and take him down.
- Jossed even further. They are not from different timelines, but dimensions.
- Not necessarily. Sonic Team has used "dimensions" to refer to different time periods of time zones in the past. For instance, there's official Sonic Generations material that calls the stages or time periods "dimensions".
- Jossed even further. They are not from different timelines, but dimensions.
- Jossed. Classic Sonic was warped to Forces by the Phantom Ruby at the end of Sonic Mania.
- Just like what Aku did in Samurai Jack. By sending Sonic far enough into the future, Eggman was free to do as he pleases without having to worry about Sonic thwarting him between the present and the time he sent Sonic to.
- It would not be the first time. In Sonic the Comic, Robotnik forced the Omni-Viewer to get rid of Sonic and his friends; however, Robotnik did not say how. So the Omni-Viewer sent them six months into the future so they could still stop Robotnik. However, in the meantime, Robotnik had conquered Mobius, which he ruled for the next 92 issues.
- Eggman already threw Sonic into the future before (specifically in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)), so if, like Blaze, he didn't forget that time, he'll wise up and do the same trick again. Maybe he'll take a hostage to do it (like Amy... again).
- Jossed. He took over the world because of the Phantom Ruby, and Modern Sonic was kidnapped by the villains.
- The Eggmen found something that let them master Time Travel in the White Space after the end of the game (or they were able to perfect the Time Eater or turn it into a completely new creature or robot), meaning they could both escape and switch to a timeline where he won (or set in motion events that lead to him winning in the present, as per the "Eggman's power..." WMG above). This WMG also means Sonic Lost World takes place either before Generations or in a timeline branch separate to the one created with this theory.
- Jossed. It is, however, a direct sequel to Sonic Mania, since the Phantom Ruby was retrieved by Modern Eggman and he took over the world in mere minutes, thanks to the absence of Sonic himself, and Classic Sonic is actually from the Mania universe, after an intense battle with Classic Eggman and the Heavy King.
- Jossed. Unlike Generations, Forces has its own story revolving around beating Eggman and co. in the current time.
- It wouldn't be the first time, as Sonic Advance 3 has the Master Emerald release a bright light and repair the world at the end of the game.
- The ending seems to suggest your Avatar leaving for new adventures, meaning future modern Sonic games will return the Avatar creator.
- Possibly implied, as Silver states that The Resistance is still needed to repair the damage Infinite and Eggman inflicted upon the world and Modern Sonic believes he'll see the Avatar and Classic Sonic again, who went separate ways. Also, the whereabouts of Infinite, Eggman, and the Phantom Ruby are unrevealed.
Infinite sends Sonic into a void, shortly after Sonic 3's events. When Eggman discovers Chaos, he's able to study it at his leisure and bring it under his control fully. Later, when he discovers Space Colony ARK, Shadow remains on Eggman's side, never having his Heel–Face Turn.
Going from there, by the time that we arrive in the Bad Future, all his plans have been successful!
That's why, for example, Wisps are part of technology anyone can find, because, yet again, Sonic Colors... No annoying hedgehog to stop him using the Wisps for his inventions. Only Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) and Sonic Unleashed weren't able to happen, because, obviously, a key component is missing.
- Then shouldn't Modern Sonic go poof and how does Silver remember who Sonic is?
- Maybe Timey-Wimey Ball is in effect. As for Silver... you're assuming that Silver remembered Sonic before he joined the Resistance. For all we know, he doesn't remember Sonic and just joined the Resistance to, you know, save the world?
- I'll add to that... 'Modern' Sonic could be the one who was brought from another timeline, since they need someone, like the now-legendary Sonic, who was the only one on record who could fight Eggman to a victory.
- All Jossed. Modern Sonic is the one from that point in time, and Classic Sonic is from another dimension.
- Then shouldn't Modern Sonic go poof and how does Silver remember who Sonic is?
- Not the original poster of this theory but it could be possible. Though the Super Emeralds were shown to have had their power spent and cracked in Sonic Mania, the fact that they're even referenced seems to hint that they may become important. On top of this, if the Phantom Ruby really is Infinite's physical form, then the protagonists will need way more power than the standard Super Modes, since the ending of Mania showed that the Phantom Ruby is able to outright disable the Super Mode induced by the Chaos Emeralds. A possible plot element of the game could be the protagonist attempting to repower the Super Emeralds and achieve their Hyper Modes to fight Infinite on even footing.
- Jossed - not even the Chaos Emeralds have a role in the main story of the game. The Phantom Ruby, and potential prototypes made of it, on the other hand...
- Unlikely; it is stated to take place during the events of Sonic Adventure 2.
- How will that work? Big is busy fishing as stated by Aaron Webber, Cream is most likely staying at home with her mother Vanilla, and Blaze is likely busy in her dimension.
- Jossed. They are confirmed to not appear in this game; nor they will get a DLC campaign.
- Mostly the latter, since the devs aren't thinking of new Downloadable Content to add into the game.
- Confirmed for the latter. A future IDW issue will reveal on what happened to Dr. Eggman after his unexplained defeat in this game.
- That doesn't seem like a good idea. Maybe it could be the final boss of Kirby: Planet Robobot, Star Dream?
- No no, the Kirby series is owned by HAL Laboratory, so maybe a surprise appearance from Bowser and maybe even his son Bowser Jr. as a boss, coming from a portal. But hey, it's just my opinion.
- As for the PS4 version... anyone got ideas? Probably Cyrille le Paradox from Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time. He might've escaped prison and time traveled to a different era and universe. Again, it's only my opinion.
- Jossed. It's just Zavok, Infinite, Eggman, Metal Sonic, and a Death Egg Robot as the only bosses you fight in the game.
- That doesn't seem like a good idea. Maybe it could be the final boss of Kirby: Planet Robobot, Star Dream?
- While the theory itself is likely Jossed, it should be noted that Eggman may actually be trying to do this...
- Nope, there's no time travel in this game, so Jossed.
- Partially jossed. The Classic Sonic shown in this game is actually from the Mania universe, and not the same Classic Sonic from Generations.
- Jossed. First, Super Sonic doesn't make an appearance, and second, the one who beats Shadow is... Shadow himself. In a cutscene, no less.
- Jossed.
- "My name is Shadow the Hedgehog. And I calmly advise you to get the hell off my planet."
- Now that we have Shadow appearing as part of the Big Bad Ensemble, this is very likely to happen in-game.
- It would be true, if that was the real Shadow... But actually, it's someone else who Shadow gave such a beatdown to came back stronger, according to the Episode Shadow DLC.
- Now that we have Shadow appearing as part of the Big Bad Ensemble, this is very likely to happen in-game.
- Remember that one scene near the climax of Sonic Colors where Cubot lampshaded the fact that Sonic has beaten Eggman every time? Sonic himself makes a Call-Back to this near the climax of Sonic Generations, and even Modern Eggman acknowledges this in the game's stinger. But now Sonic has finally lost. I don't know about you, but I see some low-hanging fruit here. In fact, something tells me that this game was inspired by that lampshade.
- That actually happened not too long ago. In Rivals 2, Tails gets brainwashed by the Ifrit, forcing him to clash with Sonic if playing as Sonic himself. Unless if that game counts as canon to the main storyline...
- Jossed. There aren't any brainwashings in the game, but Tails believes Sonic to be dead. Until he comes across another Sonic...
- Jossed. Sonic himself is the one who gets kidnapped.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. But Eggman was planning on doing it once he got the world fully under his control.
- Not quite — the one who fights Shadow is... Shadow himself, in a cutscene, because the Shadow on Eggman's side is actually a VR projection of the Phantom Ruby. So, Jossed.
- Jossed. It does end on a happy note, though.
- Classic Sonic is the one who fades away, though only because he's returning back to his own dimension.
- This is going to be Sonic '06 all over again, wouldn't it?
- Jossed. Tails does not die.
- The Super Emeralds were never stated to have left "canonicity".
- The Sonic Bible says otherwise.
- There is no official "Sonic Bible". It would be outdated every 4-6 months.
- Perhaps, but Word Of Iizuka did render them Canon Discontinuity since at least 2013. Whether Iizuka or someone else eventually changed his mind on the matter is another issue entirely. As it is, canon is rather loose in the world of Sonic the Hedgehog; anything could be canon or non-canon at any given time. Even the entirety of Mania and Forces could be non-canon in a year or so.
- That is nothing more than the hyperbolic fans unnecessarily reading between the lines and inserting words in the creators' mouths. There was a debate of it being canon? ...It's in a canon game, why wouldn't it? Considering them separately would entirely ruin the narrative of the Death Egg transition from the Sonic 3 ending to the Sonic and Knuckles intro.
- No, it was quite clear; at the time, Iizuka did not consider the Super Emeralds to be canon. They were simply a bonus associated with the lock-on, similar to how the Biometal Model O completion bonus in Mega Man ZX very likely doesn't actually exist. Seriously, look up that Q&A at Sonic Boom 2013. It wasn't hyperbole, and it wasn't "reading between the lines", it was stated outright. What's in question now is whether or not that stance has changed since then.
- So there's no exact quote of Iizuka stating that the Super Emeralds are not canon when they appeared in a canon game and any answer to why they wouldn't be canon?
- Skip to about 20 minutes in, with regard to the Super Emeralds.
- There's still no quote in transcript and it complicate things as to whether S3&K is canon or not period considering how woven into the plot they were, which needlessly puts into question what parts of S3&K are a true part of the timeline and which aren't.
- They made no indication that the Super Emeralds are "canon or not" word for word, they also over looked the fact that the Super Emeralds are powered up Chaos Emeralds so it wouldn't "change the number" as well as the existence of the Sol Emeralds.
Takashi Iizuka: "So Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles had...the lock-on, and...for people who played Sonic 3 the first time, they went through and they collected all the emeralds, right? ...So you already played Sonic 3 and you go to play Sonic & Knuckles, you've gotta have more emeralds to collect...and we put the Super Emeralds right there... Going forward, y'know, we also have...the Super Emeralds, the Master Emerald, and there's all these emeralds, and we've got too many, so when we released Sonic Adventure, we went back and just sort of cleaned up all the Emeralds and kind of reduced that down so we can have a little more control.- JOSSED.
- The Super Emeralds were never stated to have left "canonicity".
- I can picture that happening: The residents will feel right at home in one of the islands in Blaze's dimension, ...as long as they can withstand the childish antics of Marine the Raccoon. And the koalas are there to help give comfort since they belong in that dimension.
- Jossed.
- Technically, the "computer room" is actually near the end of the Hero route in the Cosmic Fall level, so...
- Jossed. But one stage does have Modern Sonic finding the computer room...
- Going in line with the game's darkness and speculation that it's a finale for Modern Sonic, mainstays like Eggman, Knuckles, even Sonic himself are no longer safe. Possible ends for the cast are:
- Eggman — Infinite murders him. Or Shadow murders him. Or perhaps an invention of his backfires on him.
- Modern Sonic — My guess is that he's going to perform a Heroic Sacrifice, thus sending his Classic counterpart back to his own world and the Avatar living a normal life. Or... he could be killed by one of the villains. ...Again.
- Knuckles — Here's my guess: Half-way through the story, he'll get shot through the chest by a turbo-fast missile, and will say his final words... Oh no.
- Jossed. Nobody dies. The closest we get is Infinite's ambiguous fate and Classic Sonic fading away as he returns to his dimension.
- Once his machine falls apart on him, he'll beg Sonic or the OC to save him, only to be rebuffed for all that he's done.
- Jossed. Maybe. Eggman in his Death Egg Robot basically disappears with no explanation.
- It makes sense considering Metal Sonic was a boss in Sonic Mania and is an early boss in this game.
- Nope. Dr. Eggman is the one who uses it after Infinite is defeated for the last time. So, Jossed.
- More like Shadow beating up Shadow. It Makes Sense in Context.
- Partly confirmed, and partly Jossed. Omega is out of action until the final few stages, where he comes back with a vengeance.
- I don't know about you, but aren't the Sol Emeralds involved in Blaze's dimension? Are they still intact?
- Well, Blaze doesn't show up in this game, but neither do the Chaos Emeralds in the main story.
- Alternatively, Rouge the Bat because of Infinite's bigger ears. We don't know nothing about this new villain as of yet.
- Unlikely to be Rouge because Infinite lacks visible distinguishable wings.
- I have a conspiracy theory. What if the wings were sliced off?
- Unlikely to be Rouge because Infinite lacks visible distinguishable wings.
- Jossed. Infinite's masculine voice in this trailer suggests that he is male, and Blaze is confirmed to not appear in the game at all.
- Alternatively, Infinite is an alternate Blaze, not the same Blaze Sonic met in the Sonic Rush and its sequel.
- Unlikely. Infinite is shown to be firing red cubes, not flames, which Blaze herself is capable of. ...Unless, of course, you are referring to the prototype Blaze?
- He is actually confirmed to be male. But if he comes from a different dimension or not is under debate.
- Semi-confirmed. The Phantom Ruby is from the Mania-timeline, but whether Infinite himself is from there too is up for debate.
- Jossed for Infinite himself, who used to be a Mercenary of the Jackal Defense Squad in Modern Sonic's dimension.
- Unlikely. Infinite is shown to be firing red cubes, not flames, which Blaze herself is capable of. ...Unless, of course, you are referring to the prototype Blaze?
- Jossed. No matter what species you choose, Infinite is always a jackal.
- Wow, you just read my mind, haven't you? Of course, unlike the previous occasionsnote , I'd say this could be 50% possible.
- Jossed. Infinite is defeated in the penultimate boss encounter, and Dr. Eggman in a Phantom Ruby-powered Death Egg Robot is the final boss.
- Or for a change, Eggman will betray Infinite instead and become the final boss.
- The latter is most likely confirmed, albeit not because of Eggman teaming up with Infinite, as the latter is corrupted from the Phantom Ruby.
- I am also wondering if this is true. His feature seem fox like especially in certain screenshots (even if some might argue the ears as bat-like) and there is a design element of infinite that he has one half a face showing. A theme tied into a missing tail as well? Maybe reading too much into it, but a Tails gone horribly wrong doesn't seem impossible yet.
- Alternatively, Infinite is Tails from a Bad Future, where he was corrupted and manipulated by the Phantom Ruby.
- Jossed.
- Again, Jossed.
- Seems likely.
- Jossed. Infinite was actually a regular creature. A jackal, to be precise.
- Jossed.
- This sounds too good to be true, if I'll be honest. I mean, if Eggman knew Sonic 06 happened, he probably realised that recruiting Mephiles would end with him being erased from existence by the Dark Mind of Solaris. Of course, he went against that decision and either created or recruited Infinite, who is possibly a lot more powerful in comparison.
- Actually, it's more like Infinite decided not to create Mephiles as one of the VR holograms which would fight the Resistance. But quite possibly for the same reason.
- Jossed. Eggman is not seen during the Avatar's fight against Infinite.
- Jossed in a way. Even if he wanted to, Eggman takes him and his Phantom Ruby so that he could use the latter to power his Death Egg Robot.
- Tails already joins the heroes early on, so it's unlikely Infinite will have a small role. The cover◊ features Tails and Infinite as separate beings, so unless the cover is lying, it's unlikely Tails is Infinite.
- Their true identity is Blaze the Cat, who is suspiciously absent and no one mentions her.
- I don't know... Infinite has a long spiky tail, sure, and similar shoes. But... I highly doubt that. Infinite has bat-like ears, probably a roboticized Rouge the Bat.
- The bat-like ears are part of the mask Infinite wears, it's a Red Herring.
- Then again, we don't know anything about this new character or his role (yes, I said his because this is Infinite's confirmed gender, thereby making the "Blaze is Infinite" theory Jossed) until the official release of the game.
- Jossed up to eleven. Infinite has a deep, menacing voice courtesy of Liam O'Brien, while this is Colleen Villard's first main series Sonic game as Tails.
- Um, then explain the Werehog in Japanese. He is voiced by someone else other than Junichi Kanemaru.
- Completely Jossed; he's a jackal.
- Nope, Jossed — he was a jackal who was hired by Eggman, and then after the No-Holds-Barred Beatdown Shadow gave him, decided to become Infinite.
- Although his entire persona is based on one-upping Shadow after he kicked his ass a while back, so one might say he's actually his own edgy OC.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Unlikely, seeing as his "quills" are white in color and also has what it appears to be a fox tail. Not to mention this game is developed by Sonic Team, which is part of Sega of Japan, not America.
- I know, this one was just a silly one I thought up of.
- Still, it's Jossed.
- Jossed. In the Episode Shadow prologue, Infinite was actually a mercenary jackal of his own squad.
- Actually, the reason why it goes straight from K to M is because it's a direct sequel to 3 & Knuckles, not because it's a reboot.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He just disappears into nowhere.
- Well, more like Eggman recovers the Phantom Ruby from him to power his Death Egg Robot. But still...
- Jossed.
- Jossed in a way; no allusions to the US version of Sonic CD's boss theme is heard at all.
- How could that even be possible? The Time Eater is not a Mobian, but a cosmic force! And Infinite was just a jackal mobian who joined Eggman's side, thanks to the Phantom Ruby.
- Jossed. He will be voiced by Liam O'Brien.
- Jossed.
- Proof? Because there are literally no signs of fire inside of Infinite, as both users embody the power of the flames.
- Jossed. Blaze is confirmed to not appear in the game.
- Jossed. Blaze won't appear in the game at all.
- Jossed.
- Given that ZERO was originally a robot, there's no doubt that someone would rebuild him with both robotic and organic body parts.
- Jossed.
- If the theories that he's connected to the Avatar are true, this could also be an easy way of ensuring he can have a single design and also never be the same species as the Avatar (since the Avatar can't be an Echidna).
- Infinite has a BUSHY tail, which neither Knuckles nor any other echidna in the series has.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed, though Infinite is fought as regular Sonic and the Avatar. As for Eggman? He is fought first as Classic Sonic, then the Avatar, and finally, the main playable trio.
- Confirmed. Infinite was actually an ordinary person, is an animal like Sonic and his friends (more specifically, a jackal), and he became corrupted under Eggman's control after turning over to the dark side.
- Not quite. Yes, he was the sole survivor — but of his mercenary company, which were wiped out by Shadow, before Shadow unleashed a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown on him. This led to him becoming Infinite to help Eggman and possibly to get revenge on Shadow.
- Jossed. He does have some kind of connection to Shadow, as Episode Shadow exposes...
1. I am the tallest of mountains. I am the roughest of waves. I am the toughest of terrors. I am the darkest of days.: Infinite telling the Hero that he is his/her worst nightmare.
2. I am the last one that's standing. Don't try to stand in my way. 'Cause I've been up against better. Just take a look at my face.: Infinite telling the Hero how he was inhumanely experimented on by Eggman, was the only test subject who survived, and is stronger as a result.
3. Cause if you're messing with me, I am a dangerous weapon. I am the sharpest of blades, I'll cut you down in a second.: Infinite telling the Hero how he was made to be a Weapon of Mass Destruction.
4. Cause I was born in this pain. It only hurts if you let it. So if you think you can take me. Then you should go and forget it.: Infinite telling the Hero how torturous Eggman's experiments were and how he numbed himself from the pain. Pretty much a repeat of the second verse.
5. And after all this time. You're back for more (I won't stop until they know my name). So I'll take what's mine and start this war (I'm coming at you like a tidal wave).: Infinite telling the Hero "You had your chance to save me. Now you must face the consequences." No matter what, the Hero WILL remember him this time.
6. When everything you know has come and gone (You are at your lowest, I am rising higher). Only stars remain all through it all (We'll fight in the ashes, you're losing this fire). When there's no one left to carry on (This is an illusion. Open your eyes and...): Infinite isn't interested in anything else in the Universe. He just wants to destroy the Earth and show the Hero true despair.
7. This pain persists, I can't resist. But that's what it takes to be Infinite.: Infinite acknowledges the trauma he went through, but dismisses it as giving him a purpose in life. The person the Hero once knew is gone.
8. So look around you and tell me what you really see. I never end and that's the difference in you and me. Cause when your time is up and everything is falling down. It's only me and you. Who is gonna save you now?: Infinite will exact his revenge on the Hero and show him/her what it's like to have no one to save you when you need them most.
9. So look around you and tell me what you really see. You live a lie and that's the difference in you and me.: In Infinite's mind, the Hero is lying to the Resistance about how "heroic" (s)he really is. After all, what kind of "hero" just abandons someone so close to them?
10. I have the power. Let me show you what it's all about. It's only me and you. Who is gonna save you now?: Infinite will prove to the Hero that he doesn't need him/her anymore and will reign surpreme alone.
- Jossed. Infinite didn't even know who the Custom Hero was until shortly after Sonic's Worfing
- Jossed. He wasn't really a Pokémon to begin with. Besides, this theory was impossible from the start, as Forces is available on non-Nintendo consoles.
- Close enough; he's actually a jackal.
- Why Infinite has an "edgy OC" vibe — he literally is one.
- This line in Infinite's theme: "This is an illusion, open up your eyes."
- Why Infinite is faster and more powerful than Sonic, and why his power includes cybernetic-looking cubes: as the programmer of the VR, he is godlike within it.
- Why Infinite seems to be "glitching" reality. There is a glitchlike distortion around his body, the official video of his theme also features a lot of distortions, and Tails can't get any data on him: his existence is on a level beyond that of the program he created.
- Actually partially correct - the Phantom Ruby, used by Infinite, really does create a virtual reality of lifelike illusions, and while Infinite is not a Loony Fan you could say he's kind of is his own edgy OC.
- Jossed. It is actually the Phantom Ruby's doing.
"I am the roughest of waves" = Chaos
"I'm the toughest of terrors" = Metal Sonic
"I am the darkest of days" = Shadow the Hedgehog
- Alternate theory, but not far removed: The song alludes to the following characters, but only because Infinite has defeated them in his own dimension, proving himself greater than each.
- Likely confirmed. Jossed, actually. The four characters are really VR holograms Infinite created using the Phantom Ruby.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Imagine if Infinite actually crashed your game in the PC version. It won't be likely to happen, but it would be awesome if it did happen.
- The funny thing is, this is starting to sound like a Creepypasta. If Infinite really does turn out to be a horror-villain-like character in a freaking action game, and assuming we will get to fight him, that would be awesome.
- Confirmed. The Phantom Ruby can actually make the entire screen red in color and very glitchy, among others.
- The funny thing is, this is starting to sound like a Creepypasta. If Infinite really does turn out to be a horror-villain-like character in a freaking action game, and assuming we will get to fight him, that would be awesome.
- Confirmed.
- Please note that the trailer for Infinite mentions him being "at the tip of the spear", which definitely increases the possibility of him being the Final Boss.
- Infinite wouldn't do anything to Eggman. Instead, Eggman gets defeated by Sonic and Co., leaving Infinite alone to deal with Sonic.
- Jossed. The final boss is still Dr. Eggman; and Infinite basically leaves upon being defeated for the third time.
- You can chalk up similarities between Shadow and Ryuko, but how are Sonic and Satsuki similar? Also, wouldn't Emerl be more like Senekstu?
- I'd say Infinite is an Evil Counterpart of Senkestu; but how are the two related?
- Considering what would possibly happen if he no longer had the Phantom Ruby? He might be facing a Fate Worse than Death after Eggman took it from him...
- Jossed. Even if he would, he would need to harness the Phantom Ruby's reality-warping powers.
- Um, look at his gloves. There are no signs of Blaze's grey cuffs. And the shoes are slightly different and again, has no grey cuffs.
- All part of the corruption.
- Still, you are providing very little evidence until when the full game is released. And I highly doubt that Blaze will appear unless there will be multiple dimensions involved in the story. For now, only the "Classic" dimension will be involved and I'm not sure about the "Sol dimension".
- Also, Blaze apparently wears a jacket of some sorts, and Infinite appears to be clothesless, unless it's part of the "corruption"... another reason why Infinite couldn't be Blaze is because of his white "hair" sticking out from his mask. Blaze has purple hair, meaning that she couldn't be Infinite.
- All part of the corruption.
- Jossed. Blaze won't appear in this game.
- "Cause I've been up against better, just take a look at my face."
- Blaze isn't confirmed to appear in the game until further notice; the only returning characters confirmed to be appearing are Sonic (Modern and Classic, obviously), Tails, Knuckles, Amy, the Chaotix, Silver, Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Chaos and Zavok.
- Jossed. Blaze won't appear in the game, at all, and it's Shadow who scarred Infinite.
2. Infinite does have some bat-like features. The ears, namely, though that could be just part of the mask.
3. A few characters are part of the resistance, and as Eggman's squad. Rouge is absent. Either she's dead, or... her light fingers got the world in trouble before. Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) showed her stealing Mephiles's scepter. She could get greedy again, but get possessed. The deep voice is part of the possession.
- Jossed. Rouge is apparently part of the Resistance.
- I'm getting serious vibes of Majora's Mask here...
- It's more of a combination of the mask and the Phantom Ruby, I'd think.
- Jossed. The Phantom Ruby made him powerful. And the mask is what Shadow responded to Infinite himself: "Don't show your pathetic face around me ever again".
- It's more of a combination of the mask and the Phantom Ruby, I'd think.
- Confirmed for the WMG title. Modern Sonic first meets Infinite in the City and starts attempting to attack him before being defeated easily and taken away to the Death Egg. Classic Sonic even spies on both Infinite and Dr. Eggman along with Tails at some point in the story.
My theory regarding this is that like Eggman, Tails has somehow got back to Classic Sonic's time before he's flung into the future. However, the fling into the future is inevitable; but what happened to Classic Tails when his friend was whisked off to the future? Well, perhaps he was convinced by Eggman or someone else that his best friend abandoned him.
Unlike Eggman, Tails's expertise in technology seems to be subtle, yet effective. If he managed to grow up a disillusioned Mad Scientist, there's every chance he managed to create some sort of dimension-hopping technology and become a Time Abyss dimension walker. Hence his "I Am" Song — everything he's loved has come and gone, he's been maimed enough to lose an eye and a tail against whoever was 'better' than Sonic, and he's made himself into a dangerous weapon.
Similarly, his design is distinctly fox-like with the exception of his hair-tentacle things; his tail, his facial shape, his large ears; in a way, his mask resembles a kitsune mask. And after all this time dimension-hopping, Infinite/Tails finds Sonic, and he is pissed at the friend he thought had abandoned him.
- Jossed.
- "(This is an illusion, open up your eyes and...)""So look around youAnd tell me what you really seeYou live a lieAnd that's the difference in you and meI have the power,Let me show you what it's all about"
- Semi-Confirmed. Dr. Eggman is still real; but the other 4 villains are indeed, illusions created by the Phantom Ruby. Also, it's not "Limbopolis Zone", but rather "Null Space", and it appears to have literally nothing in it, including the past villains (and Mighty).
- Considering that the Phantom Ruby makes the same noise as Infinite's cube attack, very likely.
- Confirmed. That thing on his chest? It is definitely the Phantom Ruby itself. Or at least a replica.
- After Infinite's host is defeated by Sonic, Infinite and Robotnik will decide the only way to beat Sonic is to merge, creating the final boss, Infinite Robotnik.
- Almost. Infinite doesn't seem too happy about the idea after he was defeated for the last time, and Eggman states that his Phantom Ruby-powered Death Egg Robot... no, he has supassed Infinite to become the Ultimate Lifeform.
- If this screenshot were of any indication, it's probably sort of Confirmed until we get the full story concerning the creation of Infinite.
- Actually Semi-Jossed. Infinite is an organic being, though he was modified to be powerful thanks to the "Phantom Ruby" Eggman found.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. It's the Phantom Ruby that gave him these powers.
- I should have been more specific. i was implying that Infinite was using the phantom ruby to reach a super form since early sources said the phantom ruby was equal in power to the emeralds.
- Are you saying that Infinite even has a super form? Most super forms glow a different color (Super Sonic, Super Knuckles, Burning Blaze, etc.); and in the case of Infinite, his skin color remains the same.
- Not in the game, but given what the Phantom Ruby could do...
- Possible evidence leading to this theory is the strange, seemingly sapient actions the gem takes during Mania's story. It warps the five EggRobos into the Hard-Boiled Heavies, it repeatedly warps Sonic and co. away when they've got Eggman's back to the wall, and most glaringly, after the True Final Boss, it appears to use Chaos Control in order to escape from Super Sonic. Nobody else ever influences these actions, and there is no direct interaction from anyone that causes this at the time of them; the gem appears to be doing this all entirely autonomously.
- Supported further by the True Ending, in that it is all-but-confirmed to lead into Sonic Forces. The Phantom Ruby is known to warp time and space on a whim; it sends Sonic away at the end of Mania, and we know Forces kicks off because Classic Sonic was removed from his place in the past somehow. The Phantom Ruby went through with him; it has to have reemerged in the future somewhere... Come to think of it, Modern Sonic's got no clue who this is, so how does Infinite know Sonic, again?
- Further still, it could be possible that Dr. Eggman created Infinite in a similar process to Shadow's creation. Instead of using DNA from an alien race, it's possible that he implanted a shard from that stone into Infinite's chest.
- Jossed. Infinite is an organic being.
- Indeed — he blames Shadow for what led to him becoming Infinite in a way, after all.
- Jossed.
Through the power of the Phantom Ruby, Infinite is aware of multiple dimensions. The clue's in his name. Mania seems to show the Phantom Ruby to be able to alter reality, it's not a stretch to assume that it allows one to perceive multiple realities as well. He may just be another version of your OC from another dimension, but through being able to perceive all his alternate selves in many ways he is his alternate selves. He is all the characters of all the players of the game that have, are, and could be played. He is Infinite.
- Nope. He's just a mercenary jackal, after all...
- Maybe? Although some of your theory is Jossed — Infinite was never on the Resistance's side, as the jackal which would become him was hired by Eggman, and after being defeated by Shadow, eventually became one with the Phantom Ruby to become Infinite.
- Jossed.
- Plenty of things can match or exceed Sonic's speed in the video games. To name a few, this includes Dr. Eggman himself, Metal Sonic, the G.U.N. truck, most of the bosses in Sonic Advance 2, Shadow the Hedgehog, Silver the Hedgehog as of Sonic Generations, Zazz, all of the daytime bosses in Sonic Unleashed, the Cyan Wisps, the Extreme Gears, the orca by Emerald Coast, the Kaos wheels in Seaside Hill and Ocean Palace, the malicious Ferris wheel in Tropical Resort, Blaze the Cat, the Avatar/Custom Hero, the machine in the opening of SegaSonic the Hedgehog that catches Sonic, or another machine in the opening of Sonic Unleashed that also catches Sonic, Mighty the Armadillo, Ray the Flying Squirrel, etc.
- Jossed.
- Considering the true nature of the Phantom Ruby's power is creating illusions so powerful that they're practically real and may as well BE Hard Light, this is looking incredibly plausible. Hell, in leaked footage of a battle between Modern Sonic and Infinite, his mask is completely black before his eye fades in on the right side of his face like a projection or an old TV turning on. And after his final fight, he just fades into the same red light that his powers create. All this considered, there's a very real chance that the creature we know as "Infinite" is merely another illusion of the Ruby, but since he's directly connected to the Ruby, the illusion is so powerful that it's impossible to tell that he is one.
- It was stated in an interview that Infinite was once a regular character that wasn't evil, but just like Omega said about Shadow all the way back in Sonic Heroes, there has to be an "original" Infinite that this specific character is based on.
- Jossed. He's a jackal.
- Jossed. Before Infinite can reveal himself after being fought for the third time, however, he merely disappears into nowhere.
- Jossed. He's actually a jackal.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The gem in question is the Phantom Ruby, and it's red in color.
- Jossed.
- "I am the tallest of mountains": This time period was — and to some people, still is — a mountain that has been difficult to conquer.
- "I am the roughest of waves": It was obviously a rough period for the series.
- "I am the toughest of terrors, I am the darkest of days": It was a terrible, dark time for Sonic.
- "Cause I've been up against better, Just take a look at my face": The idea that there will never be a Sonic game that's better then the old ones to most people.
- "I'll cut you down in a second, Cause I was born in this pain,": Infinite was born from the Dark Age of Sonic.
- "It only hurts if you let it, so if you think you can take me, then you should go and forget it": The dark age of the series is trying to hurt the series even now, but they refuse to let it.
- "And after all this time, you're back for more": People keep returning to Sonic, despite its dark past.
- "Only scars remain of who I was": The series has become a scarred version of what it was back in the day.
- "And tell me what you really see, I never end, and that's the difference in you and me": Infinite represents the idea that Sonic's "dark age" will never end.
- "Cause when your time is up, And everything is falling down, it's only me and you — who is gonna save you now?": When things have fallen through, it's only Sonic and the darkest days of the Sonic series. No one can stop that.
- Alternatively, Infinite is literally the version of Sonic from the "darkest days" of the series. Around the 2004-2008 time period, which was when the series was really in a bad place, both in terms of the general perception of its quality, and how even a lot of actual Sonic fans didn't have a good image of the series. He's broken loose and somehow understands the fourth wall perspective of who he is, knowing that in his future he has further darkness in the form of Sonic Boom. This drives him into darkness and onto the side of evil, and he begins to believe that there's no hope for his future self, so he wants to take him out while conquering the planet. If you look at the Infinite Theme uploaded by the official Sonic YouTube channel, its entire ascetic suggests that Infinite has a The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You thing going on. So him originating from a place beyond the fourth wall doesn't seem entirely out of the picture.
- "I'm every bad day you've ever had, Sonic."
- Jossed. It's actually the form of a jackal which currently hosts the Phantom Ruby's power.
- Jossed. The mask has no effect on Infinite, and the Phantom Ruby isn't controlling him.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He was the leader of his own squad... in Sonic's dimension.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He was actually the leader of the Jackal Defense Squad, revealed in the fourth and final issue: Rise of Infinite.
- Unlikely. It was stated in an interview that Infinite was once a regular character that wasn't evil, but just like Omega said about Shadow all the way back in Sonic Heroes, there has to be an "original" Infinite that this specific character is based off of. Over the story, we are told that the Phantom Rubies can only be harnessed by individuals who possess the strength of will to control them and that any particular sample can only work with the DNA of the one who originally activated it. However, when Infinite is defeated in his, he just disappears. We also know that he stated that he personally possessed a Phantom Ruby and that he had the strength of will to control his Phantom Ruby. This is where the problem arises. He would have had to have been a living organism with DNA to activate and harness his Phantom Ruby. What happened, then, to the living being who was allegedly actually controlling Infinite's projection, the real Infinite, via the Phantom Ruby?
- But in Shadow's case, it would mean doing a big Character Derailment regarding Maria's death and the numerous times in 06 in which he made it clear that he didn't really care if the world decided to go against him.
- Confirmed along with Chaos, Zavok, and a new villain (Infinite) joining up with them as well. Later Jossed, however. They are all projections of the Phantom Ruby.
- But in Shadow's case, it would mean doing a big Character Derailment regarding Maria's death and the numerous times in 06 in which he made it clear that he didn't really care if the world decided to go against him.
- Alternatively, they'll find a way to make him likable again like in the games pre-flanderization.
- They can't do that. His "fans" will try and undo it. -OP
- Jossed. He is first shown to be alive and well.
- Jossed. Only one Shadow is in this game. Also, the Shadow seen in the E3 trailer was a Phantom Ruby illusion.
- Jossed. The plot is because of the Phantom Ruby, which Eggman have received under unknown circumstances.
- So... his plan would be to finally kill Sonic... and make sure nobody is Snooping as usual, I see?
- When he's finished, he'll have to give himself a promotion.
- Jossed. The Big Bad is actually Dr. Eggman himself, not one of his alternate selves.
- When he's finished, he'll have to give himself a promotion.
Admit it, it would be awesome.
- Not really, it would make the Broken Base problem even worse by enraging a lot of the fans for wasting a whole game for a single joke... and let's not talk about how critics and the internet would mock the game because of this.
- Thankfully, it's Jossed.
- Most likely the new villain, Infinite, given this guy's name and menacing appearance...
- CONFIRMED, by, of all things, Sonic Mania.
- Hold your horses; it's NOT confirmed yet. This game has Dr. Eggman as the main antagonist, and the trailer for Infinite mentions him being "at the tip of the spear". Besides, this game isn't even released yet, so we can't confirm or deny this until we piece together the full story connecting Mania and Forces.
- CONFIRMED, by, of all things, Sonic Mania.
- Jossed. The Big Bad and Final Boss is still Dr. Eggman.
- Jossed.
- It wouldn't be the first time a Eggman/Robotnik did that. Sonic the Comic Robotnik absorbed the power of the Chaos Emeralds, turning him into an omnipotent Reality Warper with Eye Beams. Of course, it took him a few months for his body to adjust to the power, during which he was stuck as an emerald statue.
- There's also Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog for instances of the Doctor going Super, where Robotnik used the Chaos Emeralds to become Supreme High Robotnik.
- Oh God, this'll be Eggman Hates Furries all over again.
- Jossed.
- Or it'll be a future version of Eggman (that disturbs the current Eggman) who is an expy of SatAM Robotnik, or of Sonic the Comic Robotnik.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Is Time Travel. He uses it to go into the past and set up secret, automated factories to build his Death Egg Robots, then returns to the present and unleashes them en masse (now that they've all been built). It would be similar to his plan in Sonic Generations, only he'd use Time Travel as part of a new scheme instead of using it to undo his past failures. In other words, even while Eggman is failing over and over during the events of every other game in the series, these factories are churning out robots for "Future/Present Day" Eggman to unearth in time for Forces.
- Jossed. It is actually the Phantom Ruby from Sonic Mania.
- Jossed. The third character is a Custom Hero, meaning that Arnold won't be likely to appear as a villain.
- It won't be the second time this happens, though.
- Somewhat Jossed, as he is part of Dr. Eggman's Co-Dragons. Though this might change over time.
- Completely Jossed.
- Problem with the Shadow one: The Biolizard didn't drive them apart. Eggman was working with Team Sonic and Rouge to stop the ARK from crashing into the Earth, and Shadow started helping them out when the Biolizard showed up.
- What if it's during the events of Adventure 2 and not after it?
- Jossed. They are just Virtual Reality projections made by the Phantom Ruby.
- What if it's during the events of Adventure 2 and not after it?
- Jossed. The "Shadow" seen in the trailer was a Phantom Ruby projection, and the real Shadow is on the heroes' side.
- Jossed.
- The Death Egg Robot is indeed the final boss; as its third phase bears similarities to the Nega-Wisp Armor and Eggrobo. However, that and the Egg-Mobile H/Egg Dragoon are the only Eggman boss fights.
- Alternatively, the Deadly Six are in the game, but they're used for the other characters to fight as opposed to the playable characters. For example, we have a blurb from Amy who says she's fighting Zeena and Knuckles talks about how crazy this Zazz guy is. Meanwhile, Zavok, the leader of the Deadly Six, just fights against Sonic. The others are there, they're just not present on-screen.
- Jossed. Zavok is the only member of the Deadly Six to appear in this game.
- Jossed.
- I don't think the other Team Dark members are going to be involved; especially since they have motives of their own. (Rouge hunting for gems and Omega proving that he is a superior E-100 series robot.)
- E-123 Omega hates Dr. Eggman and wants to build an empire of his own. It's the time to kill Dr. Eggman and take over his empire.
- As Rouge is shown to be part of the Resistance, Omega might partake in the war as well.
- Omega showed up for a split second in the latest trailer, which means he's in!
- ...Only in his broken-down state and at the very end of the game.
- Jossed. Shadow is part of the Resistance, and the other Shadow was merely a fake illusion.
- Hold up. My theory is that Zavok is a "Master/King of Chaos", not because he orders Chaos like a slave to him(or even knew and met the water god in the past), but his great strength allows him to cause havoc and destruction. No pun intended there.
- Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik: Big Bad
- Infinite: The Dragon
- Shadow the Hedgehog: Evil Genius
- Zavok: The Brute
- Metal Sonic: The Heart
- Chaos: Sixth Ranger
- Eggman Nega: The Man Behind the Man
- How exactly does Eggman Nega fit in? I mean, he's probably still stuck in Ifrit's dimension.
- Eggman Nega will appear with no explanation, similar to Eggman leaving the White Void.
- Jossed.
- Why is the Time Traveling Silver the Hedgehog involved with Sonic Forces then?
- Beats me. For all I know, he hails from the future and may be a great great descendant of previous characters from the last 200 years.
- Silver traveled
- Confirmed and Jossed, for the villains and Classic Sonic respectively.
- Then exactly how did the reverse happen? As in Sonic calling out Zavok's name when he appears (even though he is an illusion)?
- Jossed.
- Jossed. They are just projections from the Phantom Ruby, after all...
- Jossed; Shadow is still on the heroes' side.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Even Chaos 0 isn't fought!
- Jossed. Shadow is still on the heroes' side.
- Jossed. Knuckles is the Resistance leader, and both Cubot and Infinite are separate entities.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Or the Shadow shown in the trailer will be in fact a Shadow Android, or Mephiles posing as the real Shadow.
- Close enough. He's a fake projection of the Phantom Ruby, along with the other 3 villains.
- Confirmed. He is last fought in a Death Egg Robot machine.
- Jossed. He's a fake.
- Jossed. He's a fake.
- ... ...oh, hell no...
- Jossed, Sonic was just kidnapped and imprisoned on the Death Egg.
- So... Eggman is really the Donald Trump of Sonic's world?
- Jossed.
- Shadow the Hedgehog: City Heights/Park Avenue
- Zavok: Lost Hex
- Dr. Eggman: Green Hill Zone
- Infinite: Final Boss
- (I'm not sure about Chaos and Metal Sonic, though.)
- Partially jossed. Metal Sonic will be fought in Park Avenue, meaning Shadow's boss fight will likely take place somewhere else.
- (I'm not sure about Chaos and Metal Sonic, though.)
- Further Jossed. Zavok is fought a quarter through the game as the first boss, Infinite is fought thrice (the third time being the penultimate boss), and Eggman is still the Final Boss (though he is fought in Green Hill as Classic Sonic's only solo boss fight). Meanwhile, Shadow and Chaos are not faced in-game.
- Jossed. The "Shadow" seen in the trailer was merely a projection of the Phantom Ruby, along with Chaos, Metal Sonic, and Zavok.
- Jossed; he's still the real Eggman. Though he does betrey Infinite.
- Jossed.
- So... where's Cappy and his (Mario) eyes?
- Semi-Confirmed. The pyramids are built by Eggman, but nothing else.
- Unlikely, he still looks like regular Shadow.
- Jossed. He is a projection of Infinite.
- Jossed. He is mute.
- Funnily enough, Metal Sonic did something similar back in Sonic Heroes. The only difference was that he wanted to become ruler of a robotic empire.
- Jossed.
- Chemical Plant appears to have taken its inspiration from Generations. So that would be a perfect bet. Like, for example, if Chaos absorbs green chemicals, it will perform a super stomp.
- Jossed. Chaos isn't actually fought.
- Mostly jossed; he is indeed working for the Resistance, but he's no mole or anything. The Shadow working for Eggman is a Phantom Ruby-induced illusion.
- Actually, this is still likely. It's possible that Shadow was pretending to be one of multiple of his clones. It is mentioned that the Resistance had a spy on the inside...
- Jossed. Only Metal Sonic is fought in the Tag Team boss fight.
It is very, very strange that after so many games where Eggman has tried to protect the planet so that he'd be able to conquer it, once he actually has conquered it, he would try to destroy it. This is not the same Eggman we're familiar with. The Eggman we're familiar with would be completely aghast at the plot to destroy the world, especially once he has what he wants. So it's incredibly likely that Eggman is either under Mind Control (perhaps from Infinite), being impersonated (most likely by Eggman Nega again), or has just completely lost his mind, just like his grandfather all those years ago. Why Eggman would descend into this severely-Out of Character state is unclear, though — everyone he's been shown to truly care about (read: his grandfather) has died long ago, so why has he only now snapped?
- Considering how he's on the box art along with Dr. Eggman and Infinite, it's very possible that he'll have a much bigger role in the story. Not to mention that Sonic Heroes had him impersonate Eggman with the claim that in 3 days, he would conquer the world with an ultimate weapon.
- Jossed.
- After all, it would be a waste if the Egg Dragoon were only to be fought as an early-game boss. Or if Eggman's new villain team or even Infinite are fought once and never seen again.
- Sadly Jossed.
- Well, except for Infinite, who is fought a total of three times throughout the game.
- Such as the Egg Emperor or the Egg Nega Wisp. Since Eggman has conquered the world, it would be nice to see Eggman's other machines as bosses in the game.
- Only Infinite is fought more than once, but Eggman does fight a few times, just never in the same robot. The only returning Mech is the Egg Dragoon.
- Jossed. It's more The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, but with the Sun instead, and the falling sun being a Phantom Ruby illusion.
- Jossed
- Jossed. It does not appear in the game.
- How will Cubot prevent Blaze from doing a Big Damn Heroes moment(which I doubt will ever happen)? ...Wait, don't tell me. He has multiple voice chips. Actually that would explain why Orbot is in the game and not Cubot. Until then, let's just wait for the full game before we can confirm Cubot being in the game or not.
- Jossed. Cubot will be helping out Eggman along with Orbot for the creation of Infinite.
- I don't know... sure, there's a whole trope about trailers containing spoilers, but it seems kind of unlikely that they would have something like that in the very first teaser.
- Jossed; they team up much earlier than that.
- Seemingly Jossed as the gameplay trailer for Modern Sonic shows him running solo on the assault, without Classic Sonic following him.
- However... there is a new fourth gameplay mode which involves Sonic and the Avatar instead, so it's Jossed for Sonic and Classic Sonic, but not Jossed for two playable characters in one stage.
- Double Jossed! In the final phase of the final fight, all three characters are controlled together!
- Hate to rain on your parade; but you technically control Sonic only. You only use Classic Sonic and your Avatar for the homing attacks (including Sonic himself).
- Jossed. According to this silhouette◊, he doesn't appear to look like a third Sonic and more-or-less a new character. It's also stated in the Famitsu magazine discussion that Boom!Sonic indeed won't appear in this game, but it's not a third Sonic, but rather, your own character.
- Jossed — Super Sonic doesn't play a role in the main game at all.
- Somewhat Jossed in Sonic Generations, as Dreamcast!Sonic is the same as Modern Sonic.
- Wait a moment. Classic Sonic is said to be from an "alternate dimension" and not the past. Maybe Classic Sonic is actually... Dreamcast Sonic from the past?
- Huh? When did they say that?
- Eggman says it. "You've got a lot of nerve for a pint-sized Sonic from another dimension!" Please note how Eggman says "another dimension" rather than "another time or timeline". This means that Classic Sonic is Sonic as a kid is Retconned.
- Not really, it's more than likely that the Classic Sonic from Generations is still Sonic's past self, and the one in Forces is (as stated) from another dimension. Honestly, why do people insist on making some things more complicated than they should be?
- Heck, it's not even confirmed if it's the same Classic Sonic from Generations until we get the full story.
- A recent stream confirmed that the Classic Sonic in Forces is not only from Mania, but — with the line from Eggman about him being from another dimension — from another dimension, not timeline. And since Dreamcast Sonic and Modern Sonic are the same being, this WMG is Jossed.
- Unless... the Mania universe is actually the Dreamcast universe! Evidence? Take a look at the citizens in this game. They are shown to be anthropomorphic animals instead of humans. So it's likely that the Mania verse will have humans for their population. ...Yeah. sounds crazy. But I'll take your word for it.
- Wait a moment. Classic Sonic is said to be from an "alternate dimension" and not the past. Maybe Classic Sonic is actually... Dreamcast Sonic from the past?
- We can dream!
- Actually, no. It will never happen. The latest Famitsu magazine states that Boom Sonic will not appear in this game. Instead, the third character is a brand new character, the Avatar. He/she has his/her own unique gameplay style. Therefore, Jossed.
- Well, considering that the story seems to focus more on the Avatar...
- Modern Sonic gets kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured for six months at the start of the game. Does that count?
- According to this silhouette◊, I don't think so. He looks more like a wolf. It's probably Jossed until further information is released at E3.
- Jossed, the newest trailer shows it to be an avatar.
- Semi-Jossed, actually. You can even create a hedgehog avatar.
- OP here. No, it's fully Jossed because the customizable nature of the new character means that the "Amy mistakes another hedgehog for Sonic" Running Gag would feel out of place with anything but a hedgehog, and so the writers likely won't use it.
- ...You do realize the game itself isn't even out yet, right? Then again, we'll just have to wait and see. Until then, this remains Semi-Jossed. (For the new character being a hedgehog of course, since you can actually create one.)
- Well, Amy indeed doesn't mistake the Avatar for Sonic. Not even if you choose to make him or her a Hedgehog.
- Jossed, the newest trailer shows it to be an avatar.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed. The third gameplay style will belong to the Custom Hero, more specifically, your own character. Also, Jossed for the latter case, he/she will join the fight with the two Sonics as well as the other resistance members.
- Likely Jossed. It's pretty much certain that the Sonic from Forces is Modern Sonic.
- Jossed fully. Eggman, with the help of Infinite, was able to defeat and capture Sonic.
- It's one of the few things the franchise hasn't done yet. It also ties in neatly into the 'Join the Resistance' tagline, as this series of tweets suggests.
- CONFIRMED.
- This is just basically what I'm thinking, but maybe SEGA is trying this method for the new protagonist from the look of the silhouette. It could be either weasel or wolf, at least to me. Just thought I'd throw my hat into the mix and guess.
- Jossed in the newest trailer: It is an Avatar.
- Actually Semi-Jossed. You can make a wolf avatar as well, though they aren't much of an expy.
- Jossed in the newest trailer: It is an Avatar.
- Jossed. The third character is an Avatar, which you can customize to your liking.
- Hedgehog: (Male) Jason Griffth (ENG)/Takeshi Kusao (JPN) (Takeshi played Sonic in the SegaSonic The Hedgehog arcade game), (Female) Kira Buckland (ENG)/Megumi Han (JPN)
- Bird: (Male) Michael Yurchak (ENG)/Daisuke Kishio (JPN), (Female) Kate Higgins (ENG)/Chie Nakamura (JPN)
- Bear: (Male) Brian Beacock (ENG)/Mistuki Saiga (JPN), (Female) Sarah Natochemy (ENG)/Tarako Isono (JPN)
- They actually do get voices; but they're the same for all species. All I know is that one of the female voice actresses in Japan is Aoi Yūki.
- Jossed. The custom character is actually just an ordinary, regular person who eventually joins forces with Sonic the Hedgehog to reclaim the world from Dr. Eggman. As stated in an interview with Takashi Iizuka and Shun Nakamura here.
- This seems unlikely. The story would have to change dramatically depending on whether you play as a male or a female character (considering Super Mode is mostly used as an Eleventh Hour Super Power), and that's much more trouble than it's worth. Not to mention, it would result in some HEAVY backlash from critics and (female) fans.
- Jossed. The main trio don't go super against the final boss, so all is well. Even when it became DLC, only Modern and Classic Sonic can go super upon gathering 50 rings.
- Jossed.
- You mean like Shadow the Hedgehog?
- Yes. Like that and like Sonic and Shadow in the SA2 multiplayer.
- Jossed — the Chaos Emeralds don't even play a role in the main game, after all.
- Jossed, as it's Shadow who has a connection to Infinite, not the Avatar.
- Actually, it's only semi-Jossed, as the Avatar also has a connection to Infinite due to him murdering his/her friends and family, as well as the town/city they lived in.
- Jossed. They belong in Sonic's world.
- I'd say the latter one looks more like a Void Wispon.
- Jossed. Not every single Wisp will have Wispons. The only ones who do get Wispon versions are the Red (Burst), Ivory (Lightning), Blue (Cube), Yellow (Drill), Green (Hover), Indigo (Asteroid), and Violet (Void) Wisps. White (Boost) Wispons can be seen being used by background resistance soldiers, but the Custom Hero doesn't get to use one. More Wispons appear in the comics, such as the Variable Wispon (which might be based on Wisp Capsules or, potentially, the Final Color Blaster), the Spike Wispon, etc.
- Metal Sonic: "Long time no see Sonic, my loathsome copy."Classic Sonic: "...-_-..."Metal Sonic: "...Time to die."Chaos: "..."Avatar/Custom Hero: "..."Chaos: "..."Avatar/Custom Hero: "..."Chaos: *attacks*
- Alternatively, other characters will speak on their behalf, such as Tails for Classic Sonic as heard in one fight against Eggman and Zavok will speak for Chaos.
- Actually, the Avatar/Custom Hero is confirmed to speak in the cutscenes and have grunts within gameplay. We might even change the voice of our Avatar if possible. Like a peppy energetic one for the female character, or a manly tough one for the male character.
- I really don't wanna be THAT person but... Is there a citation for that?
- Easy. Though I'm not sure if Aaron is the guy you want to trust...
- Or alternatively, us players can talk for the Avatar/Custom Hero. It's kind of like them having inner thoughts of some sort, heard from our voices.
- The trio would interact with each other and find themselves in some awkward conversations. It would be like:Modern Sonic: "All right guys, what’s the plan?"Classic Sonic: *gestures wildly*Custom Character: *makes various noises in response* *gestures*Classic Sonic: *angrily gestures back*Custom Character: *offended gasp*Modern Sonic: "Uh…you know what, I’ll just do my own thing." *runs off*'Custom Character: "Ah…!" *facepalms*Classic Sonic: !!!
- Semi-Jossed. Classic Sonic is the only one who is mute; but the Avatar does grunt in cutscenes and in the gameplay itself. You can even select grunts for them.
- Seems to be Jossed.
- Actually, it is Classic Sonic who gets the sacrifice.
- Not even that, actually. Classic Sonic only returns to his timeline.
- Even though it doesn't show up in the main game, because the Emeralds don't play a role in the game, this would be a good compromise should they gain a Super Form in a later game.
- Is this going to be a case of "Emerl from Sonic Battle as the protagonist" sort of thing?
- Honestly, I'd like that.
- Me too, friend, me too. Which means you're not alone.
- Honestly, I'd like that.
- Confirmed to a certain extent. In the first half of the game, Sonic gets kidnapped by the villains, and it's up to the Avatar to find him, with help from the Resistance.
- Jossed. Infinite's first encounter with the Avatar happened shortly after Sonic's defeat.
- That could work... if the Avatar is female. Sorry, no gay fanfics for you guys out there.
- ...why not?
- Two words: Broken Base.
- ...why not?
- Jossed. They do Fist Bump, though.
- There is a lot of hand-holding going on between them in the Tag Team-sections...
- Apparently from what I heard, there can be a Shadow the Hedgehog outfit for those who pre-ordered the game. So why not?
- Jossed. Blaze's outfit does not show up. Not even as DLC.
This is basically going off of if Infinite has any connection to Mania's Phantom Ruby, because if this is the case, then Classic Sonic is the only one who has any form of previous direct connections with him apart from (possibly) Eggman. Infinite might have showed himself to Classic Sonic with intent to kill him; the hedgehog, having understood what his future amounts to, decides to try and save his own skin... by selling out his future counterpart. Intrigued by the offer, Infinite agrees to cut the deal to him, and of course, Classic Sonic is thrust into the events of Forces and "joins" Modern Sonic's team.
Classic Sonic is only going through his stages and destroying Eggman's machines to keep up appearances, and the same will apply for if Infinite decides to "attack" Classic Sonic. And, let's be honest... Classic Sonic is a borderline Sacred Cow and it's unlikely that Modern Sonic or his friends would accuse Classic Sonic of being a traitor (and Modern Sonic would absolutely not get away with it if he casts suspicion on him in any way, justified or not)... which makes him the perfect candidate to be Modern Sonic's traitor.
- What if, instead, although still Infinite's 'mole', he isn't actually aware of his position as such and so has no idea that he's giving away the Resistance's secrets to Infinite? This could especially apply if it is true that Infinite can create illusions based on the characters and that Classic Sonic is one of those illusions.
- Jossed. Classic Sonic is on the heroes' side, and is not an illusion.
- Confirmed.
- Not quite.
- Semi-confirmed; Silver (as well as the others) will communicate with the 3 heroes via radio, as shown in a small livestream demo for the game. He also causes Infinite to drop a Phantom Ruby Replica Prototype while fighting him, which gets picked up by the Custom Hero later on, and is used to prevent Infinite from killing the Custom Hero after his second boss fight, and shut down his and Eggman's Sun Drop plan.
- Not quite.
- ...How long ago did Sonic X end? Sega may very well not think she's relevant. Plus it would probably be too painful to have to blow her up again.
- Likely Jossed, as elements and characters introduced in Sonic X are not allowed to be included in other continuities due to copyright issues — Archie isn't even allowed to reprint their comics based on and taking place within the Sonic X continuity.
- Jossed. Only Modern and Classic Sonic, as well as the customizable new character, will be playable. The other characters will be non-playable supporting characters.
- With the exception of Shadow in the Episode Shadow DLC.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Sadly, Jossed. Only the two Sonics and the new custom character will be playables.
- Actually Semi-Confirmed. Shadow the Hedgehog is playable through a free DLC campaign, titled "Episode Shadow". Whether he's going to be the only playable other than Sonic or the custom character or not is still under debate.
- As shown in the recent Nintendo Direct trailer for the game, the new character is indeed a cat (or feline-like), but whether it's Blaze or not we won't know until E3. Maybe she got a redesign?
- I seriously doubt that's truly Blaze. Look at him/her. Do you see any signs of these grey cuff thingies she has? And besides, this new character looks more like a wolf than a cat.
- Jossed. It's a new character entirely, a customizable character to be exact. And the villain is Eggman himself, with Infinite acting as his right-hand man.
- I seriously doubt that's truly Blaze. Look at him/her. Do you see any signs of these grey cuff thingies she has? And besides, this new character looks more like a wolf than a cat.
- "ARE THERE ANY OTHER SONICS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?" "Whoops, one too many."
- Jossed. Although you can create a hedgehog Avatar and there are Boom-related accessories such as the sportstape gloves and shoes.
- During the gameplay trailer for Modern Sonic, we see that the Death Egg Robots are being counterattacked by opposing missiles. Maybe those missiles belong to G.U.N. themselves?
- Alternatively, we might get animal Expies of the G.U.N. army, as shown in the demo in the Avatar level, there's a soldier that is an animal.
- Alternatively, the soldier animals are a part of G.U.N.'s forces.
- Unlikely, as this screenshot indicates that anthropomorphic animals are likely to replace the humans from previous Sonic games. Rouge and Shadow do appear, though.
- Jossed.
- Or maybe the third gameplay style is a more Wide-Open Sandbox approach. Mario's already coming out with one, so why not his rival?
- Jossed. Tails won't be a playable, but rather, a side character.
- Or maybe the third gameplay style is a more Wide-Open Sandbox approach. Mario's already coming out with one, so why not his rival?
- Alternatively, a look-a-like will appear similar to what Sticks is to Marine.
- Jossed.
- Not really. Upon closer inspection, the new character is shown to have gloves and shoes. And I highly doubt that Bubsy will get redesigned, since another company owns him.
- Jossed.
- Not entirely jossed — jossed in the sense that Bubsy himself will be appearing, although you can create Bubsy as your own original character.
- Technically still Jossed; there is no bobcat species (the only cat-related species you can create is a domestic one).
- Jossed.
- If it were really Fang, he would have his trademark cowboy hat, which the silhouette isn't shown to have.
- Jossed.
- Sonic was summoned from the past due to Eggman's new power, so his power also reaching into the future is plausible and Silver is also trying to get back home. Either that, or he's been stuck in the present since Sonic Generations and will use Eggman's power as a way to go back in this game.
- Jossed. Classic Sonic is from the Mania universe, while Silver is from the future. Silver has apparently arrived to the present time to warn Knuckles about the events in a comic strip, titled Stress Test.
- Apparently Jossed for the moment. Aaron Webber mentioned that Classic Sonic is the only "Classic" character appearing in this game.
- Completely Jossed. Classic Sonic is the only one appearing in this game; as he went through the portal during the Good Ending of Sonic Mania.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. According to the Sonic Forces Demo at E3, during the gameplay stage for Classic Sonic, Tails is indeed helping out the heroes. By that I mean, during the fight against Dr. Eggman, Tails teases Eggman's expectations on his Egg Mobile saw blade and the Egg Dragoon.
- The latest trailer shows Tails spying on the villains (I think), which may indicate that he may have a bigger role in the plot. My guess: Tails will give up briefly, and then come back for the final act.
- Likely Jossed: The gameplay for the new stage Casino Forest indicates that Tails will be helping out Classic Sonic, while the other Resistance members helps out Modern Sonic & the Avatar.
- Jossed. Tails is part of the Resistance and will be a major character throughout the game.
- Unjossed... for a bit. Six months after Sonic was captured, Tails did give up... until he ends up meeting with Classic Sonic.
- He still doesn't give up for the majority of the plot, though. And Modern Sonic was rescued right after the fourth level. Therefore, still Jossed.
- He had given up for the past six months, and only got back into the groove of things when Classic Sonic showed up. He wasn't even aware that Modern Sonic was even alive until he overheard Infinite and Eggman's conversation in Green Hill Zone, before the fight with the latter. So, no, still Unjossed.
- Unjossed... for a bit. Six months after Sonic was captured, Tails did give up... until he ends up meeting with Classic Sonic.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Unlikely, as Omega wouldn't imprison Shadow unless he was either being controlled by some unknown entity or if Shadow jumped down the slippery slope.
- However, E-123 Omega hates Dr. Eggman and wants to build an empire of his own. If he heard that one of his closest friends has chosen to help his most hated enemy without a sympathetic reason, such as a mutual friend being taken hostage, then he would feel betrayed and may give a savage beating.
- Like Rouge? Since she is the only Team Dark member to be part of the Resistance and Shadow betrayed others to join Eggman's side of the conflict.
- Jossed.
- Alternatively, she won't appear for obvious reasons.
- Jossed. She is definitely not one of the virtual reality projections of the Phantom Ruby, after all.
- Big is confirmed to not appear in the game, so... nope. Jossed.
- Jossed with extreme prejudice.
- The latter is Jossed.
- Keep dreaming. Because I highly doubt that's going to happen, especially since Rush Adventure came out a decade ago.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- That would probably explain why Infinite teleports himself away. I'm hoping that there will be a second part to this game.
- Except Infinite didn't willingly teleport away after Sonic and the Custom Hero beat him, Eggman forcefully teleported him to the tower, likely to have him decommissioned. Regardless of whether or not he's still alive, Infinite is still in Sonic's dimension.
- If this were to be true, then Happy Tree Friends writers Ken Pontac and Warren Graff would have to return in order for this WMG to be Confirmed.
- What would be the point of the clashing, misleading tone and humor? Also, sure you don't mean "the Sonic franchise isn't the best with comedy"? The goofy and comical tone of Sonic Colors and Unleashed received a lot of flak, whereas the more serious Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 have the best received stories and tone in the series so far (yes, even with the narm).
- Very unlikely since it's confirmed that Shun Nakamura is writing the story while Warren Graff is localizing it, the game's E10+ rating also makes the Colors/Generations humor unlikely to return as Nakamura himself stated he wants the game to be taken seriously.
- It is likely that the premise of the game itself will be darker than previous Sonic titles, but will still contain the Narm the series is known for.
- Sonic is actually heard saying a few comedic lines, such as him asking Infinite what's his favorite color or does he like 'long, romantic walks on the beach', and him exclaiming that the party started and he wants to join in. Do these count?
- However, considering that at that point a lot of people would have already played Mania and thus see its true ending, these critics will in the best case be informed to play that game first... or in the worst case, they will get called out a lot because of that, mostly since they should have been aware of the connection between both games in the first place.
- We already got the main theme instrumental, so I doubt it. Maybe it can be the theme of Classic Sonic or...?
- "Appear" doesn't necessarily mean it is the "main theme". Plenty of songs appear in Generations, for example. It could also be the Final Boss theme similar to "With Me" and "What I'm Made Of" , two tracks that serve as the Final Boss theme for their respective games despite not being the main theme of their games when usually some form of the main theme plays in the Final Boss battle.
- Apologies, this is very confusing for me. At least be a little more specific next time. Still, I have my doubts.
- If they were going to do this, they might as well include some music by the band of the same name in the soundtrack as well — obviously, getting the band to cover the song Sonic Youth is out of the question, since they're currently broken up (and it doesn't look like they have any plans on reforming in the near future), but licensing one of their songs to appear in the soundtrack could happen.
- "Appear" doesn't necessarily mean it is the "main theme". Plenty of songs appear in Generations, for example. It could also be the Final Boss theme similar to "With Me" and "What I'm Made Of" , two tracks that serve as the Final Boss theme for their respective games despite not being the main theme of their games when usually some form of the main theme plays in the Final Boss battle.
- Jossed. This song does not appear in the game or the soundtrack.
- Which explains why it's not as detailed compared to the real deal that was shown in Sonic Generations. The real zone has already been conquered by Robotnik.
- Confirmed: Dr. Robotnik has taken over Green Hill Zone, and his industries caused the desertification of it, such as turning water into sand.
- Though I'm not sure if the Green Hill Zone we're in is really a simulation or actually the real thing.
- Jossed. It is indeed a real location.
- ...except for the one which shows up in the Episode Shadow DLC. All thanks to the powers of the Phantom Ruby.
- Still Jossed; even though it is only one stage. The rest of the levels (Lost Valley, Arsenal Pyramid, Green Hill, and Guardian Rock) are still real locations.
- ...except for the one which shows up in the Episode Shadow DLC. All thanks to the powers of the Phantom Ruby.
- Jossed.
- Kind of like the number 6 being the Arc Number of Sonic Lost World, correct?
- Yes, but maybe it'll be more important than how it was applied in Lost World.
- Jossed.
- If we go further with the analogues, then Chaos is Tails and Zavok, unsurprisingly, is Knuckles. Though they will be possible NPCs on the Villain's side.
- Jossed.
- The tutorial level begins at Green Hill, and ends with Sonic going into the city, so it's more or less confirmed.
- Jossed. It's okay, I don't mind having only one story.
- There is also more-or-less a piece of concept artwork that supports this theory.
- Likely jossed. Concept art has revealed the main base to be a bunker of some kind.
- Completely Jossed. It is indeed a bunker.
- Jossed. It's because of Eggman getting a hold of the Phantom Ruby.
- Confirmed and Jossed. The stages do alternate between the playable characters, but they don't play differently enough to be considered a true Gameplay Roulette.
Once the 7 Chaos Emeralds are unlocked, the player unlocks Last Story. You'll have to go through one last level (which could be made up of various landmarks that have been consumed) before you fight Infinite. His first phase has an orchestral version of his theme. His second form uses an orchestral version of the game's main theme.
- Just imagine that actually happening. That will truly satisfy the Modern Sonic fans if it did.
- Jossed. The game ends 'there' once you defeat Eggman in his Death Egg Robot.
- Actually, it's possible. It's confirmed that there will be three DLC packs following Episode Shadow, and so far only two potential subjects (Super Sonic mode and a set of Sanic shirts) have been discovered. It seems we shall have to wait and see.
- That would explain why the percentage bar is at 99.9 instead of 100.0. Perhaps a True Final Boss?
- Nope. It's confirmed that the Super Sonic DLC is only avaliable as a power-up; and there is no post-story content for it. So it's completely Jossed.
- "Cause I've been up against better, just take a look at my face."
- Again, there has been no mention of Blaze the Cat or if she will appear or not. The developers did not even mention that information, since it hasn't been confirmed yet.
- Partially Jossed; Blaze will not appear in this game.
- Or is it? It all could be an illusion of the Phantom Ruby to make Sonic and co. think that they won...
- Still Jossed for Blaze appearing. But we shall wait and see.
- Confirmed, in a way. A Phantom Ruby Prototype plays an important role, and it bonds with the Avatar character.
- Confirmed! Look at this page on Steam.
- Jossed. It is set in a place called the "Mystic Jungle". However, the first Infinite boss fight does have some Lost World elements; more specifically the 'running on a tube' and the way Modern Sonic hits the springs.
- Semi-Jossed; creating a second Avatar means you can use him/her for later. As for the post-story scenario? We'll just have to wait and see.
- Actually confirmed for the first part. You can create a new Avatar upon completing the game. Though there's no post-game content. It just sort of ends there.
- Jossed. Shadow never even sees Chaos during his episode.
Post-release Guesses
- In addition, he claims that the world will kneel before the Phantom Ruby's power, not his. This may mean it has a mind of its own.
- Unlikely. There is no apparent indication that Sonic Mania ever happened to Modern Sonic at all, suggesting that Sonic 4 probably still happened to him. Classic Sonic is claimed to come from a "different dimension", which suggests, in this case, an alternate timeline at the very least, where Sonic Mania occurred in Sonic 4's place.
- Or perhaps he bailed out after Phase 2.
Or maybe it is just a coincidence and this is a dumb theory.
- If I remember correctly, it was Confirmed that Infinite had a working prototype.
- Alternatively, it’ll be a prequel, showing how he became the Resistance leader (most likely by kicking serious ass). It could also explain why he isn’t guarding the Master Emerald (while most recent Sonic games ignore this, Knuckles already had a lot of Character Rerailment in this game, so it’s more likely to be acknowledged), and maybe it could feature a Chaos boss fight.
- It's already shown in the second comic that Knuckles is still guarding the Master Emerald. So?
- It could show more of what the Phantom Ruby can do. And hopefully, give us the Ruby vs Emeralds fight that we got hyped about since Mania but that this game has failed to follow on.
- It could dive into the Jackal Squad. Assuming they're still alive, they could Take a Level in Badass and become either the major group of villains of the Arc or allies who want their old boss back like what he used to be.
- It could finally tell us what Infinite was called before he became Infinite.
- It could give Infinite a more proper Final Battle.
- It could Rerail Tails and reverse the Badass Decay he suffered from that reduced him to (fittingly enough) the level of his ''SatAM'' self, just like Knuckles was Rerailed in this game.
- It would reveal that Ix created the Phantom Ruby and may have done it with the help of a new character and was the one who told Eggman about the Phantom Ruby, setting up the events of Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces.
- It would be about Infinite escaping and disappearing beyond the horizon, while the Avatar parts from the Resistance to pursue their own adventure. Meanwhile, the Resistance themselves are left to the task of re-establishing society. It continues with the player character tracking down Infinite and maybe introducing the remainder of the Jackal Squad from Infinite's origin comic.
- While we're on that note; it would be good to revisit some of the levels from Sonic Rush Adventure, and how it would affect Blaze's dimension. Like Machine Labyrinth being a broken-down facility with less machines working, or Sky Babylon undergoing an intense thunderstorm with many broken floating pieces of land still intact.
- Basically the same treatment as Sonic 06, which basically just retconned itself out of existence thanks to its ending (with only some elements like Silver and Crisis City being brought over to future games). Why would this be? Because the Phantom Ruby's power is illusions. If Forces is a failure, then the developers can easily say "nothing ever happened, it was all an illusion". If Forces succeeds, then the developers can treat the game like it's canon. The ambiguity of how exactly the Phantom Ruby works doesn't help here. In Mania, it was established to be a sort of Evil Counterpart to the Chaos Emeralds, and was treated simply as a great source of power that has reality-altering abilities. Forces reveals that it's just illusions. Basically, if Forces does well, then perfect, everything is as it was. If Forces has failed, then this game never happened — it was all an elaborate illusion from the Phantom Ruby.
- Adding to this: Eggman is completely silent during the Final Boss fight and Infinite's whereabouts are unknown. Did the final battle even happen?
- Seems to be Jossed.
There is not particular reason for the images of Infinite that appear in that stage to be watery and elongated like they are. I think they were supposed to be Chaos, but couldn't get the water effects to work with some reason, resulting in watery, tendril-like images of Infinite instead.
- Shadow would have still been a Crusading Widow. He would have been snatched in time before his pod made it to earth. Alternatively, he would have been sent to the future somewhere during the events of Sonic Adventure 2 where he wasn't in the middle of doing something major.
- The timing of his time travel could play a big factor. If he was from the distant past, he wouldn't know Sonic, much less Eggman. If he was dragged from to the future during the events of Sonic Adventure 2, he could still work with Eggman, but with a chance of him not recognizing Sonic at all.
- Metal Sonic would have been sent to the future (or past or whenever, since it was during Sonic CD where a Good/Bad Future exists) some time before he fought Sonic on Stardust Speedway.
- Chaos would still be corrupted by sorrow and would have been snatched in time some time after his very first battle with Sonic at Station Square.
- Zavok was sent to the future some time after betraying Eggman and before his first battle against Sonic.
- Alternatively, this is how he survives his final battle against Sonic. He was sent to the future before he could truly perish. He would be back with a huge vengence, however.
- In the very end, however, everyone is returned to their respective timeline without corrupting time in any way.
- That would make him a brilliant foil for the Avatar, who is the player's avatar and an Action Survivor — the opposite of a Mary Sue.
- Time constraints
- They opted to have Eggman be the final boss
- They decided to have Super Sonic as DLC instead
- They opted to have the final boss involve Modern Sonic, Classic Sonic and the Avatar. The Avatar has no Super form, so they would have had no place participating in a Super boss battle
- Or the Avatar was going to have a Super form along with the Sonics, but they decided to cut said form in the end, resulting in the removal of the boss battle
- The avatar is noticeably lankier and taller than Sonic is, heavily resembling Boom Sonic's proportions.
- The avatar's grappling hook resembles Boom Sonic's Enerbeam from Rise of Lyric in terms of function. Their more combat-focused gameplay also brings to mind the slower, beat-em-up style of Rise of Lyric.
- Classic Sonic's presence doesn't make much sense on its own, but it's possible that the original plan would have involved dimensional travel as a means to bring all three main Sonic brands at the time (Modern, Classic and Boom) into one game, much like how Sonic Generations brought Classic Sonic back through time travel.
- The Death Egg robot Eggman uses for the Final Boss looks awfully snake-like... almost like Lyric, the Big Bad of Rise of Lyric and Shattered Crystal. It's entirely possible that Lyric was meant to be a boss fight at some point, but when Boom Sonic got cut, Lyric went with him.