Complete Monster Cleanup

Porky had a divisive debate last time but IIRC that was well over a year ago, if he comes up again I'd be open to something but as is I don't think it's necessary.

But then we have the very divisive ones like Griffith (counts) and the OG Old Scratch (Doesn't count) which I assume are permanent stayers on that list because they're just that controversial. Unsure if Porky is like those and not like King Candy or Monaca Towa which can be left alone for a while assuming if nobody brings them up again.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Apr 9th 2023 at 12:02:57 AM

The list isn’t for people who have divisive debates, it’s for characters who keep being re-brought up with no new evidence because people disagreed with the decision. Basically, it’s not just for any divisive character, it’s for the divisive characters where people refuse to accept the verdict, and I don’t even remember the last time Mother caused a massive issue here.

Hmmm ok. Maybe the next time he gets brought up for whatever reason.

Also I think it's around a year ago where someone proposed Porky.

Do movies on Monster.Scripts go on their respective pages? There are a bunch of Marvel and DC Movies that probably belong on Monster.DC Films and Monster.Marvel Films, as scripts from other franchises go on their respective Monster pages. I'm also guessing that this wasn't discussed when the pages were made because the respective Monster pages don't link to Monster.Scripts

If moved, the scripts page will still have 13 keepers (8 professional and 5 others)

Edited by Paperfly on Apr 8th 2023 at 10:25:47 AM

I don't think it's a good idea to move those. Their not official films. So grouping then with them seems off.

Even the script examples for franchises with their own pages ... such as Scary Movie, The Crow: 2037 and The Blue Door (TMNT)... aren't official films

Edited by Paperfly on Apr 8th 2023 at 10:31:38 AM

Yeah but the last time the idea if grouping marvel and dc stuff from different media spaces together came up. People really disliked it and I would rather not piss off most of the site by going against that.

As the very least, could the examples be folderized as shown above and Monster.Scripts be linked in Monster.DC Films and Monster.Marvel Films?

"For examples from unproduced scripts based on Marvel / DC Comics, see here"

Edited by Paperfly on Apr 8th 2023 at 10:39:36 AM

Now that, I wouldn't be opposed to.

Ok since just about everyone has voted to cut Harriet Morse, be sure the mods will know so they can remove her

I've already removed her from the Sandbox.

Thoughts on this as a quote for that fic version of Ramsay I proposed?

• Chilling Adventures Presents...
  • Betty: The Final Girl's "Be Mine Or Die": The unnamed Serial Killer has stalked and murdered 9 girls throughout Riverdale in a variety of ways, from poisoning them to burning them alive. Sending a message to his latest target, Brigitte Reilly, the killer breaks into her home when she's alone and hunts her down. Upon catching Brigitte, the killer ties her to a chair, ecstatic to torture Brigitte to death with a knife in order to "make her his Valentine".
  • Pop's Chock'lit Shoppe of Horrors: Pop Tate proves to be far more sinister than his mainline counterpart. Regularly having citizens of Riverdale kidnapped and murdered, Pop uses their corpses for dishes to serve to cannibalisic humans and monsters alike. If an employee does a poor job serving the monstrous out-of-towners, Pop allows them to murder and feast on said employee. After attempted dine-and-dashers Nick and Sherry work of the money they owe him, Pop rips out their souls and traps them in coins for the jukebox, having inflicted the same fate to several other teens who crossed paths with him.
• Original animated series: Fire Lord Ozai is the power-hungry tyrant of the Fire Nation seeking to wipe out all resistance to his rule, even children. Ozai obtains the throne through manipulating his wife Ursa to help murder his father Azulon, and then banishing her, on the pain of death, without letting her see her children again. Ozai controls all aspects of his family's life, limiting their freedoms and encouraging their worst traits just to please him: he punishes his son Prince Zuko whenever the latter shows kindness or mercy, going as far as burning his face and banishing him for speaking out of turn; he encourages his daughter, Princess Azula, to be a perfect, merciless weapon for the Fire Nation, only to cast her aside when he no longer needs her. When faced with open rebellion in the Earth Kingdom, Ozai plans to use Sozin's Comet to incinerate the entire continent and rule from the ashes as Phoenix King. A horrible father and a brutal dictator, Ozai represents the very worst of Fire Nation imperialism and Avatar Aang's ultimate test to stay true to his pacifist ideals.
• Young Justice: Darkness Falls:
  • Darkseid is the ruler of Apokolips, who is working with the Light to take over the world. In a Bad Future, Darkseid successfully takes over Earth, destroying most of the cities and killing almost all the heroes. In said future, humans were forced to do backbreaking labor while worshiping Darkseid. Darkseid sentences minions who fail him to 50 lashes or banishes them to a place so horrifying that no one will speak of it, a place where he banished his son Kalibak. Having Kara Zor-El kidnapped as a child and raised as his loyal minion, Darkseid also has the revived Wally West and Victor Stone brainwashed to serve him. When Vandal Savage manages to kill a bunch of superheroes for him, Darkseid vaporizes him because he wanted the heroes brought to him alive so he could torture them first.
  • Chapter 5: The Joker tries to gas all of Gotham City to death with Smilex for fun. To this end, he forces men to help him by holding their families hostage, and plans to kill said men when he no longer needs them, with him being uncaring when three of them are killed by his hyenas.
• Bardock - The Father of Goku: Frieza is the tyrannical emperor of the Frieza Force, who had conquered and enslaved countless planets throughout the universe, including the Saiyans. Upon noticing how rapidly the Saiyans grew in strength, particularly Bardock and his squadron, Frieza became concerned that they could pose a threat to him in the future, and thus decides to wipe out their entire species, starting with Bardock's crew. With Frieza approaching Planet Vegeta with the intent to destroy it, he observes with amusement when Bardock faces Frieza and his army alone. After Frieza patiently hears out Bardock's speech of the Saiyans no longer serving him, Frieza launches an attack that kills Bardock, hundreds of Frieza's own soldiers, and the entire Saiyan race along with their planet.
• "Television Terror": Ada Ritter was a seemingly kind caretaker of the elderly, but hid a depraved bloodlust and greed beneath her harmless appearance. She would use her boarding house to lure in old folks and murder them with knives or other ghastly methods, before dismembering and hiding their bodies so that she could collect their social security checks. Ada killed at least a dozen men in life, and even after dying, she continues to haunt her boarding house, where she brutally maims and kills the visiting television host Horton Rivers and his cameraman.
• "Mournin' Mess": Mr. Copard is the founder of the Grateful Homeless Outcasts and Unwanted Layaway Society, or the Grateful Homeless Society for short. Copard purports to help the homeless find resting places after their deaths. In truth, Copard is the mastermind behind a vicious rash of homeless killings—including of one who knows too much—to steal away their butchered cadavers for one purpose: meat. Copard and the others in the Grateful Homeless are secretly ravenous, sadistic ghouls with a Cannibal Larder full of dozens of half-eaten hobos; when episode protagonist Dale Sweeney finds out, Copard ends the episode having the ghouls converge on him while helping himself to a piece of the man's ear.
• "Werewolf Concerto": Lokai, secretly a vicious werewolf, is introduced as seemingly a werewolf "hunter" at a lodge beset by werewolf attacks. After numerous brutal assaults, Lokai has killed enough people that the owner has called in a "specialist" to deal with the threat. Lokai proceeds to murder a guest he believes is the hunter before brutally beating a maid to death when the moon rises. Attempting to murder the true hunter Janice, Lokai intends to massacre the entire lodge.
• Crisis Core: Professor Hollander was the chief of Project G, creating both Angeal and Genesis, yet was passed over for promotion in favour of Hojo and his Project S, resulting in Hollander being stuck in a dead-end job. Resenting the Shinra Electric Company, Hollander would manipulate and collaborate with an adult Genesis to take revenge; Genesis defected with an army of SOLDIER operatives whom Hollander would turn into Genesis Copies: slaves to Genesis' will suffering Loss of Identity instigating the Genesis War, which led to much death and destruction, with Hollander having no regard for civilians. Falsely promising to cure Genesis and his Copies' Degradation, an impatient Genesis would eventually infect Hollander with his cells and only then did Hollander try in earnest to find a cure—almost harvesting a comatose Cloud Strife to do so.
• Sonic Underground: Dr. Robotnik is as power-hungry and evil as he has ever been. Having invaded and conquered Mobius years before through sheer force and Unwilling Roboticization of a vast majority of its population, Robotnik now rules with an iron fist as he seeks to round up any remaining organic beings to have them enslaved as his cyborgs. Along with regularly abusing and threatening roboticization or death to his Co-Dragons Sleet and Dingo, Robotnik frequently betrays his own allies to serve his purposes. Not restricted solely to roboticizing those who stand against him, Robotnik hopes to find the Sanctuary where resistance fighters raise their children so he may turn it into a "cemetery", and on more than one occasion Robotnik tries to wipe out entire cities of life to demonstrate his might. Robotnik puts Sonic and his siblings through a variety of life-threatening and sadistic choices in his quest to find and destroy their mother, and when all of Mobius is threatened by a Chaos Emerald storm, Robotnik is willing to let the world be wiped out just to spite Sonic.
• Doctor Sleep: Andy Halloran, the "Black Grampa", was Dick's horrible grandfather, who gave Dick his first glimpse at evil. A child molester and sadist who enjoyed targeting his own family, Andy abused his own son before turning his attentions to Dick, subjecting the boy to molestation, cruel tricks, and genital torture. Going so far as to put out lit cigarettes on Dick's skin, Andy held the promise of his wealthy inheritance over the Halloran family to get away with his abuse, only to spitefully leave it to charity to hurt his family. Andy's spirit was so wicked that it continued to haunt Dick after Andy had died, his ghost continuing to sexually accost Dick to satisfy his hatred and lust.
• Genisys: Disappointed that its machines are unable to destroy the resistance, Skynet captures humans and infects them with machine-phase matter in an attempt to turn them into its newest Terminators, leading to many of them dying in insanity. Tricking humans into believing they destroyed it, Skynet takes the form of a human disguise named Alex and infiltrates the resistance, killing everyone except John Connor, whom it transforms into its new Terminator and brainwashes to serve Skynet. Sending Connor to the past to create an operating system known as Genisys, which makes people too reliant on technology, Skynet plans to use the new system to completely destroy humanity.
• Azog the Defiler, leader of the Orcs, is pledged to wipe out the line of Durin. To this end, he beheaded King Thrór, and then severed Thráin's finger. After Thorin Oakenshield cut off his arm, Azog vowed to gain revenge on the Dwarf by any means necessary, putting a bounty on his head. It's revealed that Azog slaughtered the Skinchangers by raiding their lands, then caging and torturing them for his own amusement, leaving Beorn as the Last of His Kind. Upon taking command of Sauron's armies, Azog decides to target innocent civilians in order to distract his enemies and gain an advantage, intending to exterminate the peoples of Lake-town, Mirkwood, Erebor and the Iron Hills all at once. When Thorin rides to Azog's command center to kill him, Azog has Thorin's nephew Fíli brought to him and then kills him in front of Thorin, taking sadistic glee at the moment.
• 'Lendard' arc: Cure is a member of the Oración Seis Interstellar who is secretly responsible for three of the Oracion Seis Galactica's rise to power. Cure is also the one behind most conflicts of the Sakura Cosmos and Aoi Cosmos arcs, as he gave Drakken and Nero their powers, thus being behind 200 years of a planet's population being drained, the lives lost during the Aoi war, and the creation of Deadend Crow, an enormous Titan Android who has killed millions of people. When confronted by his ally Holy, a survivor of "Bloody Atmos Day Incident" by the hands of Crow, he blasts her in the stomach and admits he gave Drakken, Nero, and Crow their power so he could create villains in order to justify the existence of the Oración Seis Interstellar. Cure is willing to sacrifice anyone so he can maintain a disturbed balance of good and evil. uncaring for all the lives taken in the process.
• Animal Farm (1954): Napoleon is a cunning, hedonistic, gluttonous, and power-hungry British Saddleback boar who—following Mister Jones' expulsion from Manor Farm—begins plotting to seize power for himself. Raising a group of orphaned puppies into vicious attack dogs and using them to assassinate his well-intentioned rival Snowball, Napoleon names himself the supreme leader of Animal Farm. Gaslighting and intimidating the other animals into accepting the increasingly authoritarian changes he has his sycophant Squealer make to Animal Farm's laws, Napoleon quickly proves to be far worse than Mister Jones ever was—hoarding the food produced for himself and the other pigs; working the other animals to exhaustion and starvation; stealing the hens' eggs; selling Boxer the draught horse to a glue factory in exchange for human foods and alcohol; and using his attack dogs to terrorize or execute anyone who challenges his autocratic regime. By the time the other animals rise up and overthrow him, they can no longer tell the difference between Napoleon and Mister Jones.
• The Magic Pudding: Buncle the wombat is the master of the Pudding Thieves who ten years ago discovered and became fixated on the Magic Pudding. In the present day, Buncle enslaved an entire valley. The slaves are forced to bring him all sources of food, including working in the food mines, while the rest are kept in cages. After repeated failures of the Pudding Thieves to capture the Magic Pudding, Buncle has them thrown in with the slaves, uncaring one of them is his blood relative. Unable to acquire any more food, Buncle decides to eat the slaves themselves and prepares to turn them into a giant pudding. Driven only by greed and gluttony, Buncle is a surprisingly dark villain for this light-hearted film.
• We Bare Bears: The Movie: Agent Trout is a corrupt government agent and the commander of National Wildlife Control who wants to restore the "natural order" by separating the bears. Trout consistently abuses Officer Murphy for petty reasons, such as his extreme plan to capture the bears. It is revealed that Trout only separated the bears out of hatred, rather than to help. It's shown Trout also tortures many black and grizzly bears for his own amusement, making them miserable. After the fire caused by his electric fence, Trout leaves the bears to die in the wildfire for ruining his plan before getting arrested by Officer Murphy for all the crimes he committed.
• Housing Complex C: Seichi is the psychotic head of the Koshide family who is responsible for the mysterious circumstances plaguing the eponymous housing complex. Introduced as the charming supervisor of a group of Middle Eastern interns, Seichi abducts and murders residents of the housing complex in elaborate sacrificial rituals to resurrect his god Kuzululu. When his wife Keicho gets her arm injured by Kan, Seichi orders her to resume her murderous pursuit, threateningly asking her if she was more afraid of Kan than she was of him and whether she was worthy to live in the utopia their god would usher.
• Huntress Vol. 3—"Crossbow at the Crossroads": Moretti is a corrupt Mafioso who involved in every illegal activity in Naples, Italy. Working with the Chairman of Kufra, Moretti would smuggle countless North African women into Italy, forcing many into sexual slavery and even taking a few as servants so that he could rape them in his free time. When the Huntress, Helena Wayne, began to interfere with his operation, Moretti would murder some of his men for either getting defeated or simply bringing him bad news, all the while working to negotiate a deal that would allow the Chairman to escape justice by hiding in Italy. Moretti would ultimately prove so vile that the Huntress would leave him to the mercy of the women he raped.
• Dinosaurs Attack!, written by Gary Gerani: The Supreme Monstrosity is the devil-like patron deity of the dinosaurs, desiring to reclaim the world from humanity. Discreetly revealing itself to Dr. Elias Thorne, the Monstrosity manipulates the use of his Time Scanner to bring dinosaurs back through time, guiding them as foot soldiers. All over the globe, countless innocent people are sadistically slaughtered and devoured by dinosaurs under the Monstrosity's thrall. All the while, the Monstrosity toys with Thorne and his crew, having them believe that it is a manifestation of Thorne's troubled subconscious, before killing off the crew through psychic-induced heart attacks. When Thorne and his ex-wife Helen manage to rework the Time Scanner, the Supreme Monstrosity personally appears to crush Thorne in its hands.
• "Secret Origins": The Imperium is the one behind the genocide of the Martian race. A being that craves lifeless darkness, the Imperium targeted the Martian civilization years ago to conquer Mars and annihilated nearly all life on the planet, leaving J'onn J'onzz as the only survivor. Years later, after being unsealed from a forced stasis, the Imperium sets up plans to repeat the process on Earth and destroy the human race, having its henchman Kill and Replace an astronaut in a plot to disable humanity's nuclear defense systems. A sadist and a coward on top of this, the Imperium gleefully tries to torture J'onn to death when it realizes J'onn is the last Martian, and when its plans go awry, it leaves all of its own loyal soldiers to die, even swatting away its henchman to burn to death in the sunlight.
• Lois Lane trilogy, by Gwenda Bond: Steve Jenkins, debuting in the first book, Fallout, is the CEO of a corporation called Advanced Research Labs. Jenkins uses Mind Control technology hidden in video game headsets to mind-control several teenagers into becoming a Hive Mind called the Warheads. Jenkins wants to sell the Warheads to the US military so that they direct US soldiers on the battlefield, not caring that the Warheads are forcibly assimilating other teenagers into their collective. After Lois Lane frees the Warheads from the Hive Mind and reveals Jenkins's scheme to the public, he loses his company but stays out of jail. In the third book, Triple Threat, Jenkins lures several homeless teenagers into his service by giving them food and shelter, then has a scientist named Dabney Donovan experiment on the teenagers in order to give them superpowers. Jenkins plans to sell these super-powered teenagers to the US military. Jenkins captures Lois and orders Donovan to experiment on her so that she will be forced to join his team, in order to force her father, General Sam Lane, into letting his team into the military. When Lois escapes and reveals Jenkins's new scheme, he forces his superpowered teenage team to defend him from the authorities at all costs, not caring if they or civilians get harmed in the process.
• Kingdom Hearts series: Vanitas is a being that was created by extracting the darkness in Ventus' heart. Driven by an intense hatred of everyone and everything, Vanitas gleefully assists Master Xehanort in his plan to restart the Keyblade War, a cataclysmic event which would mean the destruction of the universe. Defeating Ventus in their first battle, Vanitas attempts to kill him, disregarding his orders from Xehanort to leave the boy alive. A vicious sadist, Vanitas takes immense pleasure in mentally torturing Ventus and his friends every chance he gets. Returning after his defeat, Vanitas frees Randall in Monstropolis, manipulating him in order to gain access to Monsters, Inc.'s scream-collecting technology and increase his strength by harvesting the fear and sadness of children. Vanitas once again assists Xehanort in his plan to bring about the end of existence. Defeated for the final time, Vanitas rejects Sora's offer to reform and join the side of light, affirming his choice to fight for the forces of darkness.
• Dragon Ball Super: Last Judgement (link): Goku Black is a version of Zamasu who switched bodies with Son Goku before teaming up with his future incarnation to cleanse the multiverse of mortals. Destroying all life in Universe 7, Goku Black and Future Zamasu travel to Universe 6 and kill the Supreme Kai. Goku Black travels to planet Sadala and destroys the capital before massacring the army sent to stop him. When challenged by Cabba, Kale and Caulifla, Goku Black sadistically toys with them and kills Supreme Kai's attendant when he assists them. Successfully killing the trio, Black looks forward to killing all mortals in Universe 6.
• A Vicious, Vengeful Sea: Ramsay Bolton is reimagined as a Serial Killer. Ramsay's MO is to abduct women and torture, rape, and kill them, while uploading pictures of the process to his Shock Site. Abducting Theon Gryejoy and Jeyne Poole, Ramsay tortures them both for months, including raping them, letting his friend rape them, keeping them hooked on drugs to keep them under control, and forcing them to hurt each other. A violent Andal supremacist motivated by hatred of native Northerners and Ironborn, Ramsay spends his trial gloating about his crimes, and even as Jeyne and Theon recover, it's made clear they'll always be affected by what he did to them.
• Sith Hero (link): Sheev Palpatine becomes aware of Anakin Skywalker and sends Darth Maul to kidnap him. After Maul is killed, Palpatine kills Qui-Gon Jinn and Anakin's mother Shmi, before taking Anakin under the pretense of being his father. Palpatine spends years training Anakin in the ways of the Sith, regularly torturing him with Force Lightning. Starting the Clone Wars in order to take power and destroy the Jedi, Palpatine has Anakin serve as the general of the Republic in order to improve public opinion about the Sith. Learning that Anakin accidentally got General Grievous killed, Palpatine has him punished with Force Lightning.
• The Constant Gardener: Sir Bernard Pellegrin is a British diplomat who runs affairs in Africa. In truth a high-ranking member of a nightmarish conspiracy and corrupt to the core, Pellegrin oversees the testing of an unstable drug on numerous innocent civilians that leads to their horrible deaths. Upon the probing of human rights activist Tess and her doctor friend Bluhm, Pellegrin has them murdered. Feigning sympathy for Tess's widower, Pellegrin later has him murdered when he investigates the conspiracy.
• Doctor Sleep: The Overlook Hotel itself is a sapient, pure evil structure whose only desire is to consume "steam" energy and host a party that never ends. Filled with the spirits of those who have died on its grounds, the Overlook keeps these haunted souls as its puppets and uses them to further terrorize and harm guests, bolstering the Overlook's ranks of enslaved dead. Empowered by those who "shine" the brightest, the Overlook drove the caretaker Delbert Grady to slaughter his entire family and then himself years before, and tries to replicate the bloodbath by corrupting Jack Torrance to kill his family so as to claim young Dan's steam for itself. Reawakened years later by Dan in an attempt to stop Rose the Hat, the Overlook torturously devours Rose and her steam before immediately turning on Dan and possessing him, using him to terrorize and try to cleave Abra in half with an axe before dropping its masks and revealing its true, sadistic, prideful self to the girl. The Overlook is driven by sheer cruelty and hunger for power, proving itself to be the worst threat that Dan Torrance ever faced.
• Excalibur: Prince Mordred is the cursed child born by Morgana's enchanted seduction of her half-brother King Arthur. Delighted in his unholy being blighting Camelot, Mordred grows to lure knights seeking the Holy Grail to save the land to his mother to be corrupted. Mordred has any who resist hanged slowly to die as they are feasted on by crows. Obsessed with becoming King, Mordred wipes out the domains of any knights who refuse to join him, and when Morgana loses her magic, angrily strangles her to death before battling Arthur, seeking to kill him and rule Camelot supreme.
• Patient Zero (2018): The Professor is an Infected with unusual intellect. Formerly a college professor before being bitten by another undead during the initial outbreak, the Professor butchered his wife and little daughter with relish. Seeking to kill all hope of a cure, the Professor steals into the underground bunker to murder the "immune" man Milo, unleashing the Infected within to massacre every civilian and soldier they can find.
• Pushed to the Limit (1992): Harry Lee is a drug dealer infamous amongst Los Angeles for being worse than the Mafia. Dealing with prostitution and extortion on the side, Lee makes most of his money through the Kumite, a deadly fighting tournament where martial artists are tricked into fighting for the chance to win money or an opportunity to work with him, only to be killed by his champion Inga in front of a bloodthirsty audience. Having his young associate and heroine Mimi's brother Johnny killed for stealing some of his coke and making a racist joke, Harry forces Mimi to watch her friend Terri get killed by Inga when her cover's blown, while also kidnapping her mentor Vern with intent to torture him.
• The Specialist: Ned Trent, former CIA assassin, committed multiple murders for the agency with no care of civilian casualties. Breaking with his partner Ray, Trent murdered a little girl as "Collateral Damage" on one such hit. Dismissed from the CIA, Trent connives revenge on Ray by murdering multiple mobsters to draw him out. Threatening a city block to get on the bomb squad, Ned also frequently abuses his partner with plots to murder her and Ray.
• The Ten Commandments (1956): Dathan begins life as a Hebrew slave who sells out his own people to become an overseer. Upon discovering the true identity of Prince Moses as a Hebrew slave, Dathan sells him out to Prince Ramses in exchange for power, status, and the Hebrew woman Lilia as his personal Sex Slave. Dathan takes up a position of authority over the Hebrews, working countless innocents to death and disability while sending Lilia's beloved Joshua to the horrific copper mines of Geber. Siding against Moses at every turn, Dathan finds himself exiled with the rest of the Hebrews. He promptly tries to convert the others to idolatry and tries to sacrifice Lilia to the statue of a golden calf.
• Bazil Broketail series:
  • Master Heruta Skash Gzug, Sorcerous Overlord of Padmasa, is the overarching villain for the first four books of the series. All the bloodshed and slavery Padmasa is responsible for traces back to Heruta and his endless, insatiable lust for power. Millions suffer under his reign, where at best punishment for any and all crimes will result in execution, and at worst the unlucky victim will be fed to a Thingweight to be consumed for weeks at a time. Thousands more become breeding slaves for Heruta's demon imps, replenishing his armies through demons borne of women kept in states of agony for months at a time. Projects under Heruta's purview usually entail the sacrifice of innocents as a basic function of their existence—such as the creation of the orcs, who need to be fed human slaves directly after they are born, which Heruta happily signs off on after ordering a demonstration. Despite his pretensions of being a Well-Intentioned Extremist, Relkin and Lessis see through Heruta's lies in an instant and drive him to his Villainous Breakdown by exposing what he is; an ego unchecked who won't stop until the Nine Cities of Argonath have been destroyed, to leave "not one stone atop another, except for the gibbets and the pyramids of skulls."
  • Waakzaam the Great, the Deceiver and the Dominator, is the Big Bad of the latter half of the series. Formerly one of the seven divine spirits tasked with building and ordering worlds for the Great Mother, Waakzaam's pride gradually but totally consumed him, as he eventually committed the first murder in existence and went thereon from uplifting civilizations to destroying them. In the present day, any vestige of goodness in Waakzaam is dead and gone, as he rules twelve worlds as a cruel tyrant. Some of these worlds have their populations almost completely eradicated, leaving nothing but barren planets for Waakzaam to plunder resources from and a few select survivors upon which Waakzaam experiments. Waakzaam has a particular proclivity for children and infants in his monstrous experiments; in one instance, the heroes find a laboratory filled with over a hundred dead and dying children, kept in agony as subjects for Waakzaam's plagues. Waakzaam is responsible for the death of billions and seeks the death of billions more, seeking to conquer Ryetelth—or otherwise cull it of most life—and then a whole skein of new worlds alongside it.
  • Bazil Broketail (first book): The Blunt Doom of Tummuz Orgdeem is a living rock imbued with an evil consciousness by the Masters of Doom themselves. The Blunt Doom runs Tummuz Orgdeem as a hellscape of slavery and torture; the male slaves are castrated to depopulate the areas they're taken from, and the females are either put up for sex slavery or made breeding fodder for the demonic imps which make up so much of Padmasa's army. The Blunt Doom itself is a capricious sadist who, envious of all life for having the flesh and blood it does not, mutilates and tortures its own servants as a means of joy. It projects its mind into three slaves—respectively its Eyes, Ears and Mouth—who have had all other redundant orifices sewn up. Its Eyes, in particular, used to be a human magician who made the mistake of sneezing in the Blunt Doom's presence, and paid for it with ritual mutilation.
  • A Sword For A Dragon: Mesomaster Gog Zagozt, one of the most depraved apprentices of the Masters of Doom and already halfway to becoming a Master himself, is The Man Behind the Man to the cult of Sephis the Terrible. Gog dresses up a demon as the return of the pagan god Sephis the Terrible, and binds both the demon and its thousands of cultists to his will, brainwashing them into a campaign of slaughter and Human Sacrifice that soon consumes thousands of innocent lives. Entire villages are butchered at a time so their flesh may be used as the building material for grotesque golems known as "blood myrmidons". Having the cult of Sephis sweep across the country of Ourdh, decapitating its leadership and overrunning entire cities, Gog eventually plans to have the female population of the country enslaved for the imps, while keeping the rest of the country as a human-sacrificing puppet state for Padmasa.
  • Dragons at War: General Lukash is the soldier assigned to lead the Padmasa military campaign against the coastal cities of Argonath. A dangerous combination of stupidity and bullheaded cruelty, Lukash engages in a general campaign of Rape, Pillage, and Burn across the Argonathi countryside, and engages in war crimes that infuriate and disgust even his allies with their pointless atrocity. Despite being explicitly ordered to keep the demon imps in his army under control and to spare officers who may offer valuable intel, Lukash openly shows no interest in trying to control them and repeatedly lets his imps off the leash. This results in his prisoners of war being roasted alive over open flames, eaten alive by demons and indiscriminately tortured to death, in such numbers the nearby lakes run red with blood.
  • A Dragon at World's End: Lord Zulbanides is a ruling member of the golden elves who rule the hidden city of Mirchaz. In Mirchaz, human life is comparable to an animal's; tens of thousands of slaves are used as living psychic batteries to power an artificial universe in which Zulbanides and the other lords play their "Great Game". Life as a Living Battery is a short and miserable one, as slaves are replaced in no more than a year and then abandoned to die after their minds give out. The artificial universe itself is even worse; life is created simply to be tortured to death, or used to fuel pointless wars that consume hundreds of millions, all for the entertainment of the elves. As the most prominent and most influential member of the ruling clique, and one of the top ten players, Zulbanides is the one chiefly responsible for all this horror. Zulbanides comes off as monstrous even in comparison to his fellow elves, with a particular proclivity for torture and horrific human sacrifice that eclipses even the cruelty of his compatriots.
• First novel: "Naughty" John Hobbes is a religious fanatic who believed himself to be The Antichrist and it was his job to bring Judgement Day to end the world. To this end, he began a ritual to become the Beast by killing people and eating a part of them, manipulating the wealthy Ida Knowles into letting him use her mansion Knowles End, where he murdered all of her servants and eventually her as well, causing him to be hung for his crimes. Returning decades later as a ghost, Hobbes would become known as the Pentacle Killer with deeds such as killing a woman and taking her eyes, killing a twelve-year old boy, burning a man alive, and skinning a woman, all so he could end the world and rule over the new one as a god.
• T.J. Hooker:
  • "Sweet Sixteen and Dead": Eddie Pearl is the owner of Pearl Enterprises who controls all crime on the Sunset Blvd, from drugs, to under-aged prostitution. Frequently bribing a councilman aide with money and girls to allow his criminal activities to continue, Eddie makes a habit of luring young women and pimping them out, even boasting the number of women he's gotten hooked into prostitution and drugs. When the prostitute Kelly Hobbs learns about his bribes, Eddie fatally wounds her, then tries to have her vengeful brother Gordie killed via overdose.
  • "Requiem for a Cop": Denson is an arsonist hired by Frank D'Costa to burn down condemned buildings to collect the insurance money. Taking his job further than necessary, Denson makes sure to burn down the buildings with people still inside them to fuel his sadism. Having previously killed a couple inside a factory, Denson starts the episode burning down a building with homeless people still inside, killing four people, with two kids almost perishing in the flames. Murdering Sgt. T.J. Hooker's old partner Max Silver to cover up the conspiracy, Denson later tries to kill his own girlfriend and a cop trailing him to continue his arsons.
  • "Carnal Express": Virgil Dobbs is an ambulance driver who moonlights as a human trafficker. Having his cohort Malek kidnap women with criminal records and sell them as sex slaves to paying customers, with four women missing thanks to him, Dobbs has Hooker's reformed female friend kidnapped and sold to a buyer in Mexico. Interested in the disguised Officer Stacy Sheridan, Dobbs has her knocked out with hopes of selling her to his favorite client, smugly professing that he'll "almost" miss her.
  • "The Cheerleader Murder": George Laszlo is a porn producer who specializes in "Teeny Bops". Having his director Miles Dickson scout for under-aged girls, Laszlo has them hooked on drugs with the promise of giving them more should they act in his pornos, which results in one of his stars dying of an overdose. Killing anybody close to him who could potentially get him arrested, Laszlo even tries to have Dickson arrested in his place as he tries to leave everyone behind.
  • "Trackdown": Robert Marshall is a Serial Rapist and murderer who's been arrested several times for his many assaults. Embarking on a cross-country rape and murder spree, Marshall kidnaps a woman named Yvonne Winslow to use her to lure women to him so that he can rape and kill them, threatening to kill Yvonne, her husband, and her sick baby if she doesn't comply. After failing to nab a girl, Marshall forces Yvonne to be his new bride and continue his spree, killing her when she tries to escape from him and making Stacy his new bride.
• Season 3: Alek Begi is an aggressive ruthless former US soldier turned drug trafficker. A major distributor of heroin throughout Europe, Begi operates by forcing vulnerable child refugees to smuggle his drugs into the country and if something goes wrong, he personally saws the child's head off whilst they were still alive, planting it on a stake as a warning to those who fail him, having done so at least three times already. Expanding into Norway, following his latest victim, 14-year-old Layla, losing his shipment of heroin, Begi shot dead a psychiatrist who tried to protect her and murdered Layla in his signature manner. Realising one of his men had become a liability, Begi forcibly fatally overdosed him, and to retrieve his drugs tried to kidnap another young refugee Sammy, threatening to kill him if Line was unable to retrieve them within 24 hours. Discovering from his mole a former victim was cooperating with the police, Begi attempted to silence him by having his goons shoot up a café full of patrons, nearly killing said mole in the process, Begi content to kill any number of people to protect his profits.
• Dan Bull's "The End of The Line" (with The Stupendium): The Conductor and the Stationmaster are a pair of gleefully sadistic cultists serving the horrifying train-entity "Choo-Choo Charles". Having been part of the group that unwittingly released him, they struck a deal with the beast; They would kidnap locals on the island, and at "tea time" would feed them to the train. They happily boast of their previous victims, including "A vicar, a postman or 3" as they mock and torment their newest victim. Utterly selfish and cruel, the duo manage to be as monstrous as Charles himself.
• "THE END OF THE LINE" (with Dan Bull): The Conductor and the Stationmaster are a pair of gleefully sadistic cultists serving the horrifying train-entity "Choo-Choo Charles". Having been part of the group that unwittingly released him, they struck a deal with the beast; They would kidnap locals on the island, and at "tea time" would feed them to the train. They happily boast of their previous victims, including "A vicar, a postman or 3" as they mock and torment their newest victim. Utterly selfish and cruel, the duo manage to be as monstrous as Charles himself.
• Professor Friedrich Von Schlitz is a Nazi Mad Scientist and the face of the Third Reich. Even before his formal introduction as a villain he's suspected, and later confirmed, to have engineered a terrorist attack on an American-made zeppelin, having it hijacked and set to crash into Toronto as revenge against the theft of an invention of his, even excusing it as "an act of justified retribution for an insult against all of Germany". Von Schlitz's research frequently creates powerful weapons of war the Nazis use to kill countless people in their war effort. Von Schlitz is also behind a plot that killed most of Canada's masked heroes as well as the Red Ensign's wife. Gleeful at the thought of hurting others for even minor slights, Von Schlitz is also a coward who begs for his life and eventually joins the allies in fighting Germany, hoping to corrupt the US from the inside. Cajoling the Red Ensign into attacking him so he can gain more privileges, Von Schlitz uses those privileges to dismantle the hero to learn how he works.
• The Light Princess: King Ignacio is Digby's father and the King of Sealand. Years ago, Ignacio murdered his wife, driving his son to cut himself off from emotions and thus earning the nickname The Solemn Prince. Wanting to conquer the Kingdom of Lagobel for its resources, Ignacio decides to organize the assassination of Crown Prince Alexander and later tries to have Digby assassinate Princess Althea. When Digby falls in love with Althea, Ignacio tries to marry him off to his cousin and has him locked away when he refuses. Upon uncovering a secret lake that supplies water to Lagobel, Ignacio builds a dam to cut off the water source, causing a massive drought upon the Kingdom and leading to the Lagobellians dying of thirst. When Digby breaks the dam, Ignacio nearly kills him for his insolence.
• ANNIE: Last Hope:
  • Dr. Edward is the founder of Dow's Group and its chief scientist who's behind the zombies. Originally developing a cure for cancer, when Edward wound up creating the Mother of Glaaki, Edward sought to use the Glaaki virus to turn the world into a zombie wasteland and rule over as its new god. Using kidnapped humans as test subjects, while having his scientists spied on and murdered if they disapproved of his plans, Edward sent out 6,000 infected crabs to cause a zombie outbreak in a city, soon infecting the entire world. Having those trying to stop him killed, which results in the massacres of numerous survivor bunkers, when Jack kills the Mother of Glaaki, Edward tries to make Jack its new replacement, looking forward to making him his new slave to torture to his liking. Despite claiming to be helping humanity by granting them immortality, Edward sought only to be seen as "almighty".
  • Jim is a seemingly oafish survivor who proves to be Annie's biggest obstacle throughout her journey. Secretly a key figure in the PARTY Gang cult, Jim lures survivors to the cult's hideout to either cannibalize them, or force them to participate in zombie gladiator matches for the cult's entertainment. Working for Dr. Edward to kill those trying to stop him, Jim has a survivor bunker massacred to prevent Edward's plans from leaking to the public. Even after his death at the hands of Annie, Jim's revealed to have secretly sent out a hit squad to slaughter an entire vault bunker in an attempt to kill its leader, Darryl.
• Legend Of The Guardians The Owls Of Ga Hoole video game: Allomere is a traitor to his people and the true villain of Shard's quest. Long ago having secretly aligned with the Pure Ones in the name of power, Allomere paved the way for the Pure Ones to slaughter the Glauxian monastery, which Allomere framed the innocent Grettir for. Allomere then hunted down and killed Grettir and his mate to silence all loose ends, narrowly prevented from claiming the life of Grettir's son Shard, too. Years later, Allomere continues to serve the Pure Ones' purposes and give them inside info that helps their wicked plans to enslave and moonblink all owlets. Allomere reveals himself as the traitor by trying to trap and murder a large group of heroic Guardians, and when confronted by Shard, Allomere smugly boasts of his hand in the deaths of Shard's parents.
• The Medium: The Maw is a malicious monster born from the trauma Richard Tarkowski inflicted on Lilianne Rekowicz. The Maw exploits Lilianne's desire to save herself and her sister Marianne when the two are trapped in the house fire by manipulating Lilianne to free it from her mind, where it goes to the nearby Niwa resort to inflict a massacre there. It possesses bodies to kill people before leaving its hosts as rotting corpses with dozens dead, children included, and very few survivors. Not killing Lilianne only due to dying itself because of their spiritual connection, The Maw sees Marianne and decides to take the medium's body for itself so it can sever its connection with Liliane before discarding her.
• Acting Lessons: Leah is a nurse and insane photographer who develops an obsession with the main character. Raping him in his sleep while taking photos, Leah stalks him while breaking into his house and sabotaging his friend's cancer treatment out of fear he would divert the main character's attention. Still not winning his heart, Leah sets fire to his home, killing either Melissa or Megan before luring him to her house and kidnaps him alongside their Love Interest, vowing to torture them to death as painfully as possible for revenge.
• Agent Elvis: Robert Goulet is a "Tony Award-winning pompous prick" who initially just appears to be Elvis Presley's Sitcom Arch-Nemesis in the world of music, but soon reveals himself to be an egotistical monster who would sell out the entire world out of little more than spite and envy. Once the Number Two of The Central Bureau, Goulet helped oversee their tortuous experiments on Elvis to harness his musical abilities for mind control, only to instead end up with a device that reverted subjects to a primal, murderous state. Betraying TCB to provide the device to Gabriel Wolf, which would lead to the technology being tested at numerous concerts to instigate bloody massacres, Goulet uses the weapon to target several Elvis shows before helping attempt to hijack the global broadcast of the Aloha from Hawaii production. Intent on seeing millions of Elvis fans slaughtered across the world through this act, Goulet proves himself to be exactly the "bag of shit" that Elvis proclaims him to be in his efforts to see his rival's reputation burned to the ground.
• Galactik Football: Bleylock is a General of Technoid who desires to rule the galaxy. Fifteen years before the series's events, Bleylock launched an attack on Clamp and Sonny Blackbones when they try to dispose the Metaflux, once the latter realize the danger of it. After Bleylock saw the Snow Kids using the Flux against the Red Tigers, Bleylock later tracks down and abducts Clamp and forces him to gather Metaflux by injecting a microphone and deadly poison inside his body. When the Pirates managed to save Clamp and retrieve the Metaflux, Bleylock kidnaps D'Jok and wants Sonny to hand over Metaflux in exchange for his son's safety. Bleylock later imprisons Sonny and threatens D'Jok to kill his father unless he makes the Snow Kids lose the finals. When the Pirates with the Technoids' help go after Bleylock and rescue Sonny, Bleylock attempts to kill Sonny and shoots his right-hand Baldwin after he was forced to reveal Bleylock's plans. Years later, Bleylock, with help of his subordinates, creates a "Netherball" sphere which absorbs the fluxes of many football players, creating The Multiflux. When the Pirates find that Bleylock is still alive and manage to get close to him, Bleylock then launches the Multiflux at the Shadow Archipelago, destroying Smog. Bleylock then frames Sonny by dropping wrecked parts of his ship. Chased by Sonny and Corso, Bleylock attempts to destroy Genesis with the Multiflux.
• Silverwing: Goth is a giant cannibal bat from South America. Captured by humans, he's sent to lab in a North American city for study. After escaping the lab, Goth begins to kill owls and birds, which General Brutus blames on the Silverwing bats, causing him to persecute them. Killing an owl hunting the Silverwing bat Shade, to seemingly befriend Shade, Goth plots to have Shade lead him to his colony so he may devour them all. Shade discovers Goth's true intentions after finding the corpse of a Brightwing bat Goth had eaten. Later, Goth and his brother-in-law Throbb eat a coven of bats and take the metal bands they were wearing as trophies. When Shade and Goth are trapped in a mine, Shade suggests they work together to escape, but makes Goth promise to allow him and his friends to live, a promise Goth instantly reneges on when he is out of danger. Near the end of the series, Goth teams up with the wolves to take over the forest and goes on a killing spree against the owls to fulfill his part of this deal.

There are duplicate entries for End of the Line.

One's for Stupendium, the other's for Dan Bull.

One small edit I have been thinking about

• Original and prequel movie trilogies: Sheev Palpatine, as Senator of Naboo, engineers the Trade Federation's invasion and blockade of his own home planet, using the sympathy generated to become Supreme Chancellor. He later starts the Clone Wars and uses the war to gain considerable emergency powers, and later on successfully turns Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side by exploiting Anakin's fear about the possible death of his wife Padmé, and afterwards nearly annihilates the Jedi Order by means of Order 66. He brands the Jedi as traitors to the Republic and has them killed by his soldiers, including the Jedi children; all but two of the Jedi die. He kills and disposes his loyal Separatist allies, such as his apprentice Dooku, when he has no more use for them, and turns the Republic into a fascist dictatorship, ruling by fear and using planet-destroying superweapons like the Death Star against anything with the idea of dissenting. Once he becomes Emperor, he is known to have personally destroyed entire populations and single-handedly razed entire cities that were suspected to conspire against him. Finally, he flawlessly engineers the total destruction of the Rebellion, and treats Darth Vader as expendable because he wants to make Luke his next apprentice by goading Luke into murdering his father. When Luke refuses, Palpatine then gleefully blasts him with Force lightning, trying to kill him.

Writeup is great. Except for part which states that only two Jedi survived, as number of survivors in canon is nearing triple digits.

How does this look.

• Original and prequel movie trilogies: Sheev Palpatine, as Senator of Naboo, engineers the Trade Federation's invasion and blockade of his own home planet, using the sympathy generated to become Supreme Chancellor. He later starts the Clone Wars and uses the war to gain considerable emergency powers, and later on successfully turns Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side by exploiting Anakin's fear about the possible death of his wife Padmé, and afterwards nearly annihilates the Jedi Order by means of Order 66. He brands the Jedi as traitors to the Republic and has most of them killed by his soldiers, including the Jedi children. He kills and disposes his loyal Separatist allies, such as his apprentice Dooku, when he has no more use for them, and turns the Republic into a fascist dictatorship, ruling by fear and using planet-destroying superweapons like the Death Star against anything with the idea of dissenting. Once he becomes Emperor, he is known to have personally destroyed entire populations and single-handedly razed entire cities that were suspected to conspire against him. Finally, he flawlessly engineers the total destruction of the Rebellion, and treats Darth Vader as expendable because he wants to make Luke his next apprentice by goading Luke into murdering his father. When Luke refuses, Palpatine then gleefully blasts him with Force lightning, trying to kill him.

Thoughts?

I'm fine with that change.

It looks like there’s an unapproved CM entry for Kalypso in the YMMV page for ‘’SHAZAM! Fury of the Gods’’.

Cut and PM the Troper please.

Does this Kalypso even count though?

Someone more familiar with the subject can file me in.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Apr 10th 2023 at 1:43:46 AM

She doesn't. While she's a Hypocrite who chooses Revenge Before Reason, her FE that she’s doing it for Atlas still applies. Hate Sink certainly, but not this unfortunately.

Nah, consensus on the main thread was that, as disproportionate as she gets, she's still ultimately only doing all this to avenge her father.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Apr 9th 2023 at 1:47:33 PM

Kalypso does not count, no.

Also, Umbra from Elder Scrolls is going up, so I got the other character he's related to, Vuhon, rewritten.

Original:

• Vuhon, better known as Lord Umbriel, was a Dunmer scientist who invented the Ingenium to keep the floating meteorite known as the Ministry of Truth above Vivec City, using the souls of living beings as fuel. Vuhon, jealous over having his affections spurned years ago, tried to use his rival Sul's beloved as fuel for the Ingenium, and refused to own up to any of the subsequent destruction when Morrowind was devastated as the Ministry of Truth fell from their confrontation, torturing Sul for years when they were trapped in Oblivion. Finally escaping upon making a pledge with the Daedric entity Umbra, Vuhon became lord of the flying city of Umbriel, burning countless more souls to fuel the Ingenium that let the city fly and allowing countless Umbrielians known as "skraws" to live short, agonized lives as slaves tending to the city's sump. Vuhon destroys the city of Lilmoth upon being summoned into Tamriel and has his undead armies raze their way across the country, willing to annihilate the Imperial City if they give him trouble and saying all the lives spent to power Umbriel are worth it to emancipate himself from Oblivion and rule Umbriel forever.

New:

• Vuhon was a Dunmer scientist who invented the Ingenium to keep the floating meteorite known as the Ministry of Truth above Vivec City, using the souls of living beings as fuel. Vuhon, possibly out of jealousy over having his affections spurned years ago, tried to use the wife of his rival Sul as fuel for the Ingenium, and refused to own up to any of the subsequent destruction when the Ministry of Truth fell during their confrontation. After torturing Sul for years when they were trapped in Oblivion, Vuhon made a deal with the Daedric entity Umbra and fused into "Lord Umbriel." As they lord over the namesake city of Umbriel, countless souls are burned to fuel the Ingenium that lets the city fly, and countless more of his own citizens as doomed to live as "skraws," spending their short, agonized lives as slaves tending to the city's sump. Vuhon destroys the city of Lilmoth upon being summoned into Tamriel and has his undead armies raze their way across the country, nearly destroying the Imperial City as well. Ultimately concerned only with his own ego, and slaying even his own devout servants while treating them and the city as an extension of himself, Vuhon believes the thousands of lives spent to power Umbriel are worth it to emancipate himself from Oblivion and rule Umbriel forever.

I see.