Batman: Because I've heard it before... and it wasn't funny the first time.
Here comes The Cynic, sporting a nice pair of Jade-Colored Glasses, and when the Wide-Eyed Idealist calls them out on it, they are quick to say I Did What I Had to Do, or Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids! They are convinced their attitude is more logical and realistic, and that anyone without it is too childish to accomplish anything.
They are wrong. It turns out that their cynical attitude made them turn lazy and selfish and waste their philosophical intellect in their lamentations, and missed golden opportunities to make the world a better place due to thinking about themselves in the Despair Event Horizon for all eternity and/or actually made it a worse place by assuming that everyone was out to screw them and thus opted to screw everyone else over first, thus proving themselves to be just as blinded and dogmatic as they think the more idealistic characters are. He or she is summarily questioned out for his wangst, often by the very people that he/she had regarded as fools. It can also happen when a character tries too hard to be what they think an adult is, like a Perpetual Frowner.
This trope is the Inversion of Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!, showing that being more cynical is not necessarily better. Yes, extreme idealism results in foolishness and is bad, but extreme cynicism results in laziness and callousness and is just as bad. This is to show that The Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism does not always stick to one end, but tends to lie somewhere in the middle, and that you need a bit of both to really see the world for what it is. Can be a trait of The Anti-Nihilist or the Knight In Sour Armor, and used to deconstruct the Straw Nihilist mentality.
The argument can be abused if it's used to stifle legitimate protest, such as when someone justifiably complaining about some social ill is told to shut up and stop ruining everyone's fun - or, worse yet, blamed for the misfortune, or it can also be used to demonstrate a character's naivety. It can also meet somewhere in the middle; the character doing the calling-out may be overly idealistic and may be oversimplifying the situation but still has a point, while the cynic may be doing the same about the idealist having an overly sunny view of a truly bad situation. The dividing line is if, after justifiably complaining, the cynic uses the same argument as an excuse to do nothing about the problem or to do something horribly selfish.
See also Grumpy Bear, or Sour Supporter for character types that can fall into this. May invoke Good Is Not Dumb. A subtrope of The Complainer Is Always Wrong if this means that characters who don't agree with idealists are frowned upon.
- Sailor Moon: Sailors Uranus and Neptune can't seem to get through their heads that choosing the more cynical options will only make the end results worse. This is especially clear after Usagi became one of the targets of the Death Busters halfway through the third season, which meant Uranus and Neptune may have had to kill her if her pure heart held one of the talismans. After learning of her real identity, Haruka and Michiru haven't yet grasped that they were willing to kill the very girl whom they are trying to ensure will live long enough to become queen. Even after the threat of Death Busters are eliminated at the end of season 3, they still attempted to kill Usagi because they were angry at her for not being cynical enough, needing Usagi to being smart enough to lead Uranus' attack directly to Neptune's path. Even after they finally concede defeat on Usagi, they still don't let go of their cynical viewpoint until the final arc, where they kill Sailors Saturn and Pluto in a desperate attempt to reach Galaxia and get her Star Seed, only to discover that Galaxia doesn't have a Star Seed, and end up dying in front of Sailor Moon, Chibi-Moon, and the Starlights. This means that the cynical Uranus and Neptune have nearly killed their own charge, actually killed two of their closest friends, and committed a Senseless Sacrifice. At the end, the selfish actions of Uranus and Neptune have amounted to absolutely nothing, whereas the optimistic characters like Moon and Chibi-Moon are the ones who end up prevailing over the forces of darkness.
- Great Teacher Onizuka: Often a particularly jaded character (such like Urumi, Miyabi, Ms. Daimon...) will go in a rant about the rotting of the society, Adults Are Useless or abusive/perverted creeps, kids are delinquents, you can trust nobody or they shall abuse you or take advantage of you... Only for being told they are just blind cynics and that mindset is one of the roots of those troubles.
- Onizuka went so far to tell Urumi her outlook is not logical. It is cowardly.
- This appears to be a major theme in Naruto; the younger generation of ninja that Naruto belongs to, who move a great deal of the plot, are idealists, while the older ninja who lived through dark and violent times are cynics. However, the narrative frequently depicts the cynical views that peace is impossible and people can't understand each other as completely wrong, and the people who buy into this cynicism most are villains, some of whom are fallen idealists that turn around and help the heroes when Naruto or another challenges their cynical outlook. Nobody embodies this trope better than the Big Bad Duumvirate Madara and Obito Uchiha; both have completely given up on the world and plan to use Infinite Tsukuyomi to trap everyone in a "perfect" dream-world with them. Obito is clearly shown doing this because his life experiences have turned him into a nihilist that doesn't care about anything but leaving behind the reality he's come to hate so much, while Madara, the biggest cynic in the series, is also depicted as the biggest loser of all, talking about how much life sucks and how people are always destined to be losers as long as winners exist anywhere. Yahiko, Zetsu, and many of the readers see right through this to observe that Madara's spiel is mostly self-pitying Wangst about the misfortune Madara himself experienced in life, but is too proud to admit was almost entirely self-inflicted.
- Danzo also embodied this mindset. Playing the dark to Sarutobi's light, he was the one behind many things and was quite the Well-Intentioned Extremist. Unfortunately, his actions contributed to the Start of Darkness of Nagato, Kabuto and Sasuke among other indirect actions. By the time he was finally killed off, he ultimately leaves behind a huge mess for everyone else to clean up while he utterly fails to accomplish anything.
- Invoked in the final episode of Puella Magi Madoka Magica, by the main character, after Homura had espoused the opposite for much of the series. "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I will tell them that they're wrong every time. I could tell them that countless times."
- Black Lagoon: Revy gets this from "the little maid" Fabiola at the end of the "El Baile de la Muerte" arc, but it's doubtful it had any effect.
- Valvrave the Liberator's Haruto has this quality. Not only does he deal with an Expy of the bitter Lelouch, but also villains who believe humans and immortal vampires can never live together. At the cost of his life, he succeeds, and his ideals are honored by his friends and allies.
- While Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann doesn't endorse blind idealism. the series is a battle between idealism and cynicism where idealism tempered through careful cynicism wins through. This is shown in the final battle where Team Dai Gurren counters the Big Bad's Shut Up, Kirk! and Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids! with this trope and Shut Up, Hannibal!.
- Lex Luthor of Superman fame frequently laments that Superman has caused mankind to become lazy and keeps people from progressing. He claims that without Superman, scientists, especially Lex himself, could have time and motivation to make world-changing inventions to end the suffering of millions. Superman, of course, retorts that he isn't stopping anyone from doing such things; the reason Lex doesn't make stuff to benefit mankind is because he doesn't want to, with or without Superman in the picture.
- In Elseworld's Finest: Supergirl & Batgirl, Batgirl (paranoid and mistrustful) tells Supergirl (idealistic and innocent) that she has no clue what real life is, but Supergirl replies that Batgirl doesn't know the real world as well as she likes to believe.
- In Daredevil Matt encounters a female protege of the Punisher (who lost her fiance) and tries to sympathize with her by bring up heroes who also lost loved ones. However, when she says that nobody can be as driven as her and Matt without a tragedy, he ultimately throws his billy club at her face, and gives a speech stating that the idea that you need a tragic event to fight for justice is ludicrous.
Daredevil: ...That is a repellent statement. It's a vomitous insult to every cop - every fireman - every soldier alive who steps up to fight for those who can't! I am sorry for your loss! But if you genuinely believe that only the death of a loved one can motivate a human being to take up a cause... then get your pathetic, cynical ass out of my way so I can do my job!
- In the German film Sterne, Walter, who is disillusioned both by his service on the Eastern front and by the treatment of prisoners in a nearby concentration camp, gets this response from Ruth, a Jewish woman, who eventually convinces him that even if he's powerless to put a stop to the evils around him, he can still make a difference - no matter how small.
- Star Wars: The film-era Luke Skywalker walks away with this one. Han Solo disbelieves he can do much of anything on a galactic scale, only wanting enough cash to get Jabba off his tail. Obi-Wan and Yoda have written his dad off as a total, irredeemable loss. Luke matures over the course of the films, but doesn't ditch the idealism. He brings Han around first, enough that Han himself becomes more idealistic later in life (even if he fails to talk his son into leaving the Dark Side), and then proves his masters and the Emperor dead wrong about Anakin.
- Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight Rises isn't exactly a sunny optimist himself, but he never loses faith that cynical, hardbitten thief Selina Kyle can be a better person than she is — even after she betrays him, much to her incredulity. He's eventually proven right. In the previous film The Dark Knight, Bruce is also confident that the Joker's scheme to prove that deep down everyone is as ugly as him will fail. The people of Gotham prove him right in the end. And in the film before that Batman Begins, he rejects Ra's Al Ghul's belief that Gotham is beyond saving. By the end of the trilogy, Bruce is vindicated.
The Penguin: You don't really think you'll win, do you?Batman: Things change.
- The message had also existed in the earlier Batman films. Joel Schumacher's Batman convinced Dick Grayson to let go of his anger in Batman Forever and convinced Mr. Freeze to help him save Alfred in Batman & Robin. Even the Burton films, which usually proposed the opposite trope, occasionally challenged cynicism, if more subtly. In the 1989 film, both Alfred and (much more tactfully) Vicki Vale try to tell Bruce that being Batman is a waste of time ("I have no wish to spend my few remaining years grieving for the loss of old friends - or their sons" / "It doesn't have to be a perfect world"); Bruce doesn't listen in either case, and Gotham City is so much the better for it. And Batman Returns contains this little gem:
- Hornbeck, having spouted off cynical one-liners at everyone for most of Inherit the Wind, gets a "The Reason You Suck" Speech from Drummond at the very end.
Drummond: Don't you understand the meaning of what happened here today?Hornbeck: What happened here today has no meaning.Drummond: You have no meaning! Your whole life has no meaning. You're like a ghost pointing an empty sleeve and smirking at everything people feel or want or struggle for. I pity you.Hornbeck: You pity me?Drummond: Isn't there anything? What touches you? What warms you? Every man has a dream. What do you dream about? What do you need? You don't need anything, do you? People? Love? An idea just to cling to? You poor slob. You're all alone. When you go to your grave, there won't be anybody to pull the grass up over your head. Nobody to mourn you. Nobody to give a damn. You're all alone.Hornbeck: You're wrong, Henry. You'll be there. You're the type. Who else would defend my right to be lonely?
- In Cinderella (2015), a key divide between Ella and her stepmother is that Tremaine has grown bitter after spending years unloved and poor while Ella has kept herself hopeful. Because of this, Tremaine resents Ella even more for not breaking like she has, and keeps abusing her in hopes that the young woman too will crack. Then when interrogating Ella about her glass slipper, she cannot believe that it was just given to her when Tremaine has had to pay and bargain for everything. The idea that Ella's idealism would be rewarded is unthinkable to her, and in her Motive Rant she suggests it's unfair that Ella would just receive a happily ever after with "no effort" while Tremaine's "hard work" would come to nothing.
- Paths of Glory: Colonel Dax turns General Broulard's dismissal of Dax's idealism back on the General with a single resigned remark.
General Broulard: We're fighting a war, Dax, a war that we've got to win. Those men didn't fight, so they were shot. You bring charges against General Mireau, so I insist that he answer them. Wherein have I done wrong?Colonel Dax: Because you don't know the answer to that question... I pity you.
- Tomorrowland features this as an underlying theme, as the Big Bad himself admits people choose apathy precisely because it requires no effort, and only idealists are willing to put in the work of making things better.
- The Guns of Navarone has Corporal Miller, played by David Niven who uses his cynicism as a means of avoiding responsibility for they kinds of decisions the need to be made in wartime. Captain Mallory calls him on it.
- In Wargames, the death of his son left Stephen Falken with the attitude that if humanity is going to eventually be extinct, anyway, there's no point in stopping the computer from launching missiles at The Soviet Union. David responds that if we're all dead, it's just stupid.
- In The Catcher in the Rye, both Phoebe and Mr. Antolini try to get Holden Caulfield to see that he's just as narcissistic as the "phony" people he claims to hate, and that much of his unhappiness is self-inflicted. In the end, Holden at least concludes that he has to let Phoebe grow up and be her own person. Holden also tries to prevent kids from seeing a giant graffiti spray of the word "FUCK" on a wall during the final chapter, implying they at least partially got through to him.
- In Pride and Prejudice, Elizabeth's cynical outlook on life allows Wickham to completely dupe her about Darcy's true nature. The irony is that Elizabeth acted this way in order to avoid being played for a fool; she was still played, but it just happened in a different way.
- In the Green-Sky Trilogy, the cynical Neric tells Raamo that Genaa cannot be trusted and is too steeped in Ol-Zhaan privilege to be sympathetic to their plans. Not only does Neric turn out to be wrong, but Genaa turns out to be the one with the tactical savvy to pull off their scheme.
- C. S. Lewis:
- This is what happens to the dwarves at the end of The Last Battle — they end up in Aslan's country with everybody else, but they're too cynical to believe it, and manage to delude themselves into believing they're still locked in the dark stable they were thrown into. Even when Aslan makes a feast appear before him, they change it in their minds to the yucky stuff you might find in a stable (hay, donkey water, so on).
- The Hard-Bitten Ghost of The Great Divorce has lost his ability to enjoy anything, including Heaven, partially because he doesn't trust anything. He is a conspiracy theorist that thinks that every Wonder of the World is the product of a World Combine that's there to extort money out of travelers, and that Heaven and Hell are on the same side, playing a scam on the Ghosts. He is in sight of eternal happiness, but he can't accept it because he's too cynical to believe it exists. The Author Avatar, being the kind of person who would generally trust the kind of person the Hard-Bitten Ghost was in life, can't quite shake off the other man's cycism and finds himself asking his (eventual) guide why the people of heaven don't rescue the people of hell. (As it turns out, that's an ability exclusive to God. Given that the Author Avatar himself had arrived in heaven via riding a bus, that raises interesting implications to Who the Driver was.)
- Somewhat common in Discworld, especially with Rincewind. The guy would be so obviously right in his cynicism... but Twoflower would come out fine anyway, leaving Rincewind looking like an idiot.
- This is part of the point of Jean-Paul Sartre's No Exit. At the end of the story, it's implied that the main characters could leave at any time they wished to, but their own character flaws and lack of empathy with each other prevent them from doing so.
- In Animorphs, the team cynic Marco notes this to Rachel while Jake is out of commission. They need a fast, straightforward plan for a high-risk rescue, and he explains that that's not his territory — his cynicism makes him too cautious to address that situation, so she needs to lead.
- Oscar Wilde called a cynic 'a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.
- Haroun and the Sea of Stories: Haroun's problem is that he has become so cynical he can't accept the reality of the sea of stories despite being beaten over the head with it. Pointed out by Blabbermouth.
"That's the problem with you sad city types. You think a place has to be boring and dull as ditch water before you accept it as real."
- 1632: In the Author's Notes of the first novel, this trope is all but named as the driving source for the tone of the series, as a response to the cynicism that had flooded the Sci-Fi genre at the time. Eric Flint specifically calls Cynicism weak and narrow-minded as a philosophy.
- In Dragon Age: Asunder, the Divine Justinia V gives a retort to the cynicism of Lord Seeker Lambert:
Justinia: Idealism is our stock in trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny.
- One of the main themes of The Lord of the Rings and Tolkien's Legendarium in general is the evils of cynicism and despair. Evil triumphs because people believe it can't be fought and give up (Denethor and initially Théoden) or join it (Saruman). The only way for good to triumph is fight for it, even if things look hopeless. And it's the acts of good by the smallest that end up saving Middle-Earth.
- The fifth book in the Wings of Fire series focuses on Sunny, and spends a good deal of time showing why idealism is so important to her. Her friends have a tendency to dismiss her idealism... which has naturally been less than psychologically helpful to her. However, she makes it a very clear point that she believes in making the world better, because that is how the world gets better—and if nobody tries to improve things, then nothing will improve. Her actions make her friends start to see her in a new light.
- This is a major theme in Brandon Sanderson's The Stormlight Archive. In Alethkar the nobility are very suspicious of each other to the point where any sense of honor is a facade at best and true friendships impossible. Normally an alliance results in a Gambit Pileup as the allies work against each other from the outset. However, the series looks like its making the argument that in such a cynical system, no matter how sensible mistrust would be, is ultimately unsustainable and self-defeating.
- Provost's Dog: In Terrier, the first Beka Cooper book, Beka's Dog (police) mentors, Tunstall and Goodwin, don't search for the Shadow Snake (a comfort/profit serial child killer who's terrorized the Lower City for three years), or the person who was mining fire opals and killing the people who dug them out to keep it secret (eight or nine at a time), because, as they explain to Beka, idealism just doesn't work in the Lower City. There's just too much crime, and they advise Beka to forget about that before she commits suicide in despair over not being able to help everyone. Beka nonetheless continues her search, enlisting the help of the lovable rogues who share her house, and in the end is able to catch both the one responsible for the Opal Murders (as they have been dubbed by the time of the next book) and the Shadow Snake. Now you know why they call her Terrier...
- Animal Farm: Zig-Zagging Trope with Benjamin the Donkey. His cynicism makes him one of the only characters to see past the pigs' lies, but at the same time, he's too jaded to do anything about their oppression, which makes him somewhat complicit in their crimes.
- In the Star Trek: The Original Series episode "A Taste of Armageddon", the Eminian leader insists that peace is impossible and that their 500-year-old simulated war with declared casualties reporting in to be neatly and cleanly killed is the lesser of two evils. Kirk insists that they can make peace if they just try harder. Kirk helpfully provides them with motivation to do so by shutting down the war computer and forcing them to choose between real-world messy warfare and swallowing enough pride to find a peaceful solution.
- Unsurprisingly the other Star Trek shows are very big on this trope, even Deep Space Nine the darkest show has a number of episodes showing cynics as "do nothing but whine" while Idealists do something to fix the problem.
- The Babylon 5 episode Intersections in Real Time focuses on a State Sec interrogator attempting to break Sheridan's will and get him confess to a laundry list of political crimes. The interrogator consistently displays a very cynical outlook, stating that the preeminent truth of the time is that you can't fight City Hall, and tries to paint Sheridan's idealism as futile. Sheridan disagrees at every turn, remaining true to his ideals even in the face of grueling torture. At one point, he sums up his attitude by stating that all he has to do to win is to say "No, I won't," one more time than the people trying to oppress him can say "Yes, you will." The interrogator asks him if he thinks he can win, and he says "Every time I say 'no.'"
- Learning this is essentially Jeff Winger's whole character arc on Community. He's a jaded ex-lawyer who, initially at least, honestly believes that everyone is selfish and out for themselves, the world is corrupt and other people only exist to be used to benefit you before being cast aside when you're done with them before they do the same to you. It's pretty clear, though, that his cynicism has left him lonely, miserable, and objectively speaking just as big a failure as everyone else at Greendale no matter how much he may disdain them.
Jeff: The truth is- the patheticly, stupidly, inconveniently obvious truth is- helping only ourselves is bad, and helping each other is good....Its that easy. You just stop thinking about what's best for you, and start thinking what's good for someone else. And you can change the whole game, with just one move.
- In an episode of Bringing Up Daddy, Danny Thomas's oldest daughter has fallen for a Beatnik, and he and Danny end up having a fairly well-written argument about the beatnik's relentless cynicism just being an excuse to avoid doing anything about the social problems he's endlessly complaining about.
- Craig Ferguson said something to this effect as a summary of the main theme of Doctor Who. Indeed, the arc of the very first Doctor was that of a bitter old man realizing the importance of kindness and empathy. Since then, the main theme of the show is the triumph of these ideals, no matter how dark the world gets.
- Angel gives a speech like this to Kate at the end of an episode in which his enemies were trying to make him lose hope.
Angel: "If there is no greater plan, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing there is."
- House, M.D. gets a speech like this at least once a season, hammering him over and over that he's only so miserable because he chooses to be miserable. It never sticks.
- In Samurai Gourmet, this is sometimes what Kasumi would like to say to say to a fellow patron, but can't because of Japanese Politeness. Then the samurai demonstrates that it's really the right thing to do. Occasionally, Kasumi will actually follow through on this inspiration; other times, it will be made moot before Kasumi can embarrass himself.
- The core message of the Misery Index songs "The Weakener" and "Gallows Humor": evil loves lazy cynics and blind nihilists, especially the vocal ones, and it really doesn't care how little you care when it's at your doorstep and ready to take you away.
- This is the underlying message of The Offspring song "Cool To Hate." The opening lines contain the lyric "I like to hate stuff, 'cause then I don't have to try and make a change," as a way of showing how pointless the mindset is. The singer of the song is presented as a total loser, singing about how he hates "anyone who's cool," implying he doesn't really hate people for any reason beyond a petty and shallow one.
- Louis Armstrong is of course famous for his recording of "What a Wonderful World" from 1967, but he did another, less-famous version later. For this second take, he added a spoken-word "preface" that directly addressed naysayers who pointed out that the world wasn't so wonderful after all.
Louis: Seems to me, it ain't the world that's so bad, but what we're doing to it. And all I'm saying is, "See what a wonderful world it would be, if only we gave it a chance."
- Fear Effect: Royce Glas is the cynical one. Hana Tzu-Vachel is the idealistic one. Glas is treated as the Butt-Monkey and The Lancer. Hana is treated as the Iron Woobie and The Hero. It probably won't surprise you that the best ending in the first game essentially has Hana winning out without having to shoot Glas.
- As dark as the games can sometimes get, this is a recurring theme of the Final Fantasy series.
- Final Fantasy VI has this as its central theme. As bad as things can sometimes get, you can still find something to live for and hold on to. And it's never bad to hope. The game's villain, Kefka, is a Straw Nihilist who says that nothing has meaning since everything will die one day. The characters go through Hell and back, but they prove him wrong.
- Final Fantasy VIII: Squall is a pretty great example of this. In fact, he seems aware that his dark attitude denies him opportunities for (what he thinks would be) brief moments of happiness, but he does it to avoid feeling further pain as a result of the loss of those moments.
- Final Fantasy IX centralizes this with Vivi. After learning that he's going to die at an early age, Vivi doesn't let it get him down. He still chooses to keep going, because he has friends who need him and care about him.
- Both Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 give Yuna a choice: do what's easy and sacrifice others, or do what's hard and push yourself. Yuna, being The Hero, always chooses the hard options. The cynical maesters, and those who say Sin can never be defeated, at best, end up worse off than before for their selfish actions, and several end up dead. Yuna, however, is ultimately rewarded.
- In Mass Effect, the more cynical Renegade decisions the PC can make tend to go badly. Most notably, choosing to let the Council die in the first game ends with humanity being generally hated by the other races, while the human Council isn't even willing to meet with Shepard.
- This really comes out in the third game. A Shepard who has tried to do right by others throughout the series, and is willing to give others the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove they can do right, ends up being responsible for eventsnote that make them a legendary figure even before the defeat of the Reapers.
- In Oracle of Tao, Ambrosia at the end of the First Disc (so to speak) heads off for the second world. Unless she bothered to do the romance sidequest (or can get past the Beef Gate of skipping a key romantic scene and heading directly through the entrance without stopping at the vacation town first), the plot requires you to visit Nevras at his castle. If you decide not to, or if you didn't get the memo, the story suddenly gets much darker, most notably in the endings. The point is, because Ambrosia decided her love life with Nevras was doomed, things got a whole lot worse for her.
- Tales of Symphonia: It doesn't matter if the current system of how the world works has been used for 5,000 years or if prejudice and hatred prevents things from getting better. Lloyd will absolutely never stop believing that there's always a better way that can save everyone without somebody or a world needing to be sacrificed.
- This is one of the recurring themes of the Lunar series: in the (remakes of the) first game, the villain is convinced that humanity needs the Goddess Althena to rule because people aren't capable of solving their own problems by themselves. Obviously, he's wrong. In the second game, The Hero and his friends believe they can fix things even when the local God of Evil just swallowed the local God of Good and become The Omnipotent while they are Brought Down to Normal. It is no exaggeration to say that their optimism is what causes the downfall of the Big Bad. It restores their magic power and then inspires Lucia to break free.
- Every rebuttal by the heroes to the villains' You Can't Fight Fate talk in House of the Dead carries such an element - a "Fuck you" to Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!.
- Kid Icarus: Pit has a song that goes "you gotta stay upbeat, upbeat, upbeat. Or you're gonna be dead meat, dead meat, dead meat". Dark Pit, naturally, thinks it's annoying.
- In Fate/stay night, this is Shirou Emiya's eventual response to Archer's constant mocking of his idealism and hope for being a Hero, to which Archer responds that he's only saying that because he doesn't understand the full ramifications of his dream. This becomes much more poignant when one learns Archer is actually a potential future version of Shirou, who took that dream to its conclusion and fell into despair at realizing all the pain and suffering he brought upon himself and others didn't amount to anything in the end, which is why he hates Shirou and wants to kill him to potentially create a Time Paradox to erase himself. Despite this, Archer in all the routes does begrudgingly admit that Shirou's idealism might not be so bad after all, and dies content that one way or another he won't follow the same path as himself.
- In Umineko: When They Cry, this is the whole point behind the final game. Battler deliberately shows Ange an idealistic scenario where the entire Ushiromiya family's on their best behavior, and Ange quickly catches on that this isn't the actual truth of what happened on Rokkenjima. Battler responds by challenging Ange's negative preconceptions of the family that led her to become so bitter and resentful in the first place, and points out that remembering how much she was really loved is more important than knowing the truth of what happened. Interestingly, this allows Bernkastel to try pulling the opposite lesson on Ange, and it works for a bit before Ange discovers the truth for herself and eventually sides with Battler. This is further reinforced in the Magic ending and the manga conclusion, where Ange goes on to become a bestselling author and reopens the Fukuin household that Kinzo had founded.
- Gunnerkrigg Court in Chapter 29 has Paz, of all people, setting straight Kat (who is at that moment quite disenchanted with the Court after stumbling upon some of its old secrets).
- The Order of the Stick:
- Ian Starshine, Haley's father, is very much this. After the death of his wife, he raised Haley in their town of Greysky City (a wreteched hive where most of the population are rogues) to have a strong sense of paranoid and distrust. While it did serve Haley well in survival, it left Haley an emotional wreck and she was able to find happiness through trust, especially in Elan. Contrast this with her dad who remains in prison and distrusts Elan despite Elan's blatant open kindness (though the fact that Elan's the preferred son of Tarquin explains it.) When she calls him out on it he does temporarily crack and reveal that he did indeed feel problems with everything he did. They do reconcile before they part ways and Ian manages to start getting along with Elan.
- This also seems to have been the case for Girard Draketooth, who distrusted paladins to the point where he expected his paladin friend Soon Kim to break an oath not to investigate other gates and gave him false directions, which ended up biting everyone in the rear since the heroes got their direction's from Soon's successors. Soon, of course, never broke his oath and made the rest of the order swear never to do so either. Rogue-like types are subject to this, it seems. note
- In Roommates Javert of all people called out Disbelief on being too cynical by stating that even he wishes sometimes to believe.
- It's Walky: Anti-Hero Knight Templar Sal, who is attempting to destroy every alien abductee in the United States (and, by extension, the continent itself) tells Joyce, the quirky, innocent goofy girl trying to stop her, that she's just a naive, deluded little girl. Joyce shoots back that Sal is the 'little girl'; Joyce has been through as many difficult and painful moments in her life as Sal has, but has matured enough to be able to cope with them without letting them poison her essential goodness and optimism, whereas Sal has been weak enough to let them corrupt her, and her reaction is the world-destroying equivalent of a childish attention-seeking temper tantrum. Sal has no comeback to that, and later events in the strip prove Joyce to be correct.
- While Some Jerk with a Camera tends to mock the Disney corporation and their theme parks, the Jerk tries to do it lightheartedly, since he's really a fan of Disney. This means that he also comes down hard on works like Shrek and Escape from Tomorrow, which attack Disney as kids' stuff, or say that escapism is for losers who can't grow up.
Jerk: Do you know why I review Disneyland? ...It's because I *love* Disneyland! I didn't want to be a hater! I wanted to show the Reviewaverse that you can be entertaining without resorting to constant negative whiny cynicism!
- In his (otherwise negative) review of Disney's The Fox and the Hound, Irish playwright Neil Sharpson defends Disney's use of this trope in its other animated films.
Part of the problem might be the source material. The Fox and the Hound, a 1967 novel by Daniel Mannix, doesn’t exactly scream “Disney”. It screams “MISERY!” in case you were wondering. I don’t mean that it’s dark. Disney can do “dark”. But “dark” isn’t the same as “bleak”. Disney does not do bleak. Disney does not do sad endings. A Disney movie will never leave an audience feeling worse about the world and their place in it than when they came into the cinema. And you know what? There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with hope. There’s nothing wrong with optimism. Depressing people is easy. People are naturally pessimistic (we’d scarcely have survived this long if we always expected everything to be fine) and we’re uniquely receptive to anyone who’ll tell us that everything is fucked. One of the hardest things in art is to create something beautiful and uplifting.
- The Nostalgia Critic takes this approach to his rather scathing review of the 2013 dystopian sci-fi film The Purge, spending much of his review's running time skewering the film's implausibly bleak vision of the future, and of humanity in general. As his review points out, extreme cynicism does not always translate to authenticity, and being cynical does not mean that a film actually has something intelligent to say.
- In If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device, it's the Grumpy Old Man Emperor of all people who berates Magnus for doubting his utopian vision for the future. Magnus believes that men are just a herd of squabbling animals, but Emperor claims that they have potential for greatness.
- This is the main message of The Veronica Exclusive. Veronica's final monologue essentially sums up to, "Yeah, the world sucks, and yeah, people can be terrible — but that doesn't mean we should all give in and become as horrible as life can be sometimes. If we all work together, things can get better, and mindless cynicism isn't helping anyone."
- My Little Pony: Totally Legit Recap has its cynical creator/narrator DWK, and by extension the characters, constantly acting like the world is a sad, messed up place, viewing anyone who shows lots of optimism and a positive attitude as abnormal. At the same time, it also portrays the cynics as miserable and empty, with many of the show's lessons shifted to say that sulking in cynicism and misery just wastes time that could be devoted to having fun and improving ones self. The recaps of Equestria Girls also preach the lessons that "you'd be surprised what people are willing to forgive, but you've got to make the effort," along with "age and maturity are two entirely different things."
- This is the ultimate thesis of Kyle Kallgreen's review of Melancholia. While he understands and appreciates the insight of Lars von Trier into depression, he also points out that depression is not something that should be romanticized as it is in the film, and for all of the issues and shallowness of modern life, it is still life to be lived and enjoyed for what it is.
Kyle: Depression is a disease, make no mistake. Von Trier can romanticize it all he wants, but it's a stasis. A dead end. Succumbing to it is to surrender to death. And he can go on and on about how hollow our culture is and how shallow life is, but what of it? I'm alive, and I can experience the new, and share it. Here, now, I'm alive, and what happier thing can be said?
- A key theme in Over the Garden Wall,
- The defeatist Wirt expects the worst of everything he encounters. Constantly anticipating humiliation or rejection, his cynicism has stopped him from interacting with people normally, and he gave up The Quest much quicker than his brother did. He only gets better after realizing he has to stop being afraid.
- The villain himself invokes this - he can only feed off those who have given up, and purposely waits for his victims to cross the Despair Event Horizon.
- The thrust of Batman's epic Shut Up, Hannibal! to Owlman in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths.
Batman: We both stared into the abyss. But when it stared back into us...you blinked.
- The point of Existentialism.
- Friedrich Nietzsche, despite the association with fatalism, nihilism, anti-idealism and the darkest and edgiest of cynical philosophy, actually wrote against being an extremely skeptical and life-hating nihilist, while suggesting that it's better to just love life to the fullest while living up to your own ideals no matter how blue or orange they are.
- Jean-Paul Sartre, the key thinker of the movement, wrote that "Existence precedes essence." You are born, and then you are defined. You are what you make of yourself. If you are a villain, you were not doomed to villainy, your choices made you so. If you are a hero, you were not destined for greatness, it was the combination of your choices that made you that way. Under this philosophy, great heroism and great villainy are both possible by choice. Albert Camus, in his Myth of Sisyphus, went even further, insisting that even when you know you're going to lose, that's no excuse to not keep trying.
- Conan O'Brien
- In his first show after 9/11, he recounted going to St. Patrick's Cathedral to pray (he's Catholic but admitted that he had not been to church in 8 years until the horrific events of that day spurred him to seek out some kind of comfort and guidance). He claimed that while sitting there, he suddenly realized that although the Twin Towers had been knocked down, that this beautiful building was still standing, and as such, despite the ugliness that had happened, there was still a lot of beauty in the world. This was the first time he urged his viewers to shun cynicism.
- He ended his run on The Tonight Show by asking people to please not be cynical, saying "It doesn't accomplish anything". Doubles as a heartwarming moment.
- Stephen Colbert gives us this gem:
"Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying “yes” begins things. Saying “yes” is how things grow. Saying “yes” leads to knowledge. “Yes” is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say “yes”.”
- John Lennon
- He mentioned in an interview that the reason he was first attracted to Yoko Ono was because he had been used to and indifferent to avant-garde art exhibits in The '60s that veered towards cynical, negative, destructive messages, but Yoko's simple, direct exhibit, where one climbed a ladder, peered into a hole in the ceiling, and saw the word "Yes", was in John's opinion more valid in its positivity, hopefulness and affirmative message than the True Art Is Angsty approach other Sixties avant-garde artists took. It inspired the often naturally cynical Lennon (at the time suffering through a drug- and fame-aggravated Creator Breakdown) to see the other exhibits, and later to meet and befriend Yoko.
- For all that he himself tends to be viewed as the dark, cynical and 'deep' member of The Beatles — which, in the first two elements at least, is not an unreasonable viewpoint to take — part of him clearly subscribed to this trope (or at least wasn't very happy being dark and cynical and wanted this trope to be true). For all his Creator Breakdowns and darker sides, anyone who describes the man who wrote "All You Need Is Love", "Imagine" and "Give Peace A Chance" as an irredeemable cynic is clearly overlooking something.
- Let's let Paul field that one. "Somebody said to me,'But the Beatles were anti-materialistic.' That's a huge myth. John and I literally used to sit down and say, 'Now, let's write a swimming pool'." Cynicism does not mean not being able to tell what other people wants to hear.