Trope Pantheons Discussion

@Oliver: No matter his…unconventional alignment, the Tactician will always ensure he'll survive any battle the two are both present in. As for EXP gains, however, that's still up to his/her whims.

I'll be posting this prototype of a rework, namely to find potential interactions regarding these nameless warriors. I have the ideas on how the flavor text can work but I'm being mindful of the size and scale this group profile will be, as well as potential wording. So here is the compilation profile of the Souls player characters.

The Slayer of Demons, Chosen Undead, Bearer of the Curse and Ashen One, Progenitors of the Souls-like RPG (Chosen Undead: Undead Warrior | Bearer of the Curse: Young Hollow | Ashen One: Champion of Ash, Unkindled One, Lord of Hollows)

• Demigods, though with enough persistence and skill they can defeat even Greater Gods and possibly Overdeities. At their highest, they can become Greater Gods.
• Symbol: The Darksign for the Chosen Undead, Bearer of the Curse and Ashen One, but the covenants they have joined also count too. For specifics:
  • Slayer of Demons: The Nexus (shared with the Maiden in Black)
  • Bearer of the Curse: A Human Effigy
  • Ashen One: An Ember
• Theme Songs:
  • Slayer of Demons: Demon's Souls, the Nexus
  • Chosen Undead: Firelink Shrine
  • Bearer of the Curse: Dark Souls II Main Menu, Majula
  • Ashen One: Main Menu, Firelink Shrine (III version)
• Alignment: True Neutral
• Portfolio: A bunch of unknown adventurers who can take a beating and survive most encounters with persistence, can have various builts, no consistent past and can be with different pasts, lacks voicelines other than grunts, can be selfish bastards on their journeys if they wish, can be equiped with different weapons such as magic swords/pure-melee builds/bows and crossbows/or a mix of bow and sword, defies the odds and even the world by linking the fire or not, can sacrifice themselves to become a Monumental (Slayer of Demons), a random undead chosen to link the fire (or not) (Chosen Undead), undead seen as undesirables (Bearer of the Curse and Ashen One), can enter memories of past events in Drangleic (Bearer of the Curse), has the ability to merge the Dark and First Flame together (Ashen One)
• Domains: Undead, Combat, Tenacity, Patience, Difficulty
• Heralds:
  • Slayer of Demons: The Monumental
  • Chosen Undead: Anastacia of Astora
  • Bearer of the Curse: Shanalotte/The Emerald Herald
  • Ashen One: The Firekeeper, Anri of Astora, Ludleth of Courland
• Allies:
  • From the lands of Boletaria, Lordran, Drangleic and Lothric: The Maiden in Black (Slayer of Demons), Solaire of Astora (Chosen Undead)
  • Others: Varies depending on their decisions done during their adventures but the "closest" are the Dovahkiin, the Dungeon Master's Adventurers, Link and Frodo and Bilbo Baggins
• Commonality Connection with: The Hunter, The Wolf, Tidus and Yuna, the Knight
• Additional Relationships:
  • From Lordran: Lord Gwyn (Respects the Chosen Undead and Bearer of the Curse [depending if they "Linked the Flame/Controlled the Throne of Want"]), Ornstein and Smough, Sif, Knight Artorias, Gravelord Nito, Crossbreed Priscilla (all six for the Chosen Undead)
  • From Drangleic: Lord Aldia (Respects the Ashen One, has a deeper connection with the Bearer of the Curse), the Children of Dark (Nashandra, Elana and Nadalia opposes all especially the Bearer of the Curse but Alsanna supports the former and Karla with the Ashen One)
  • From Lothric: the Soul of Cinder (same relationship with Gwyn, Opposes the Ashen One), the Abyss Watchers, the Nameless King, Slave Knight Gael (former 2 Opposes and latter Respects the Ashen One)
• Envied by: the Nameless God
• Enemies:
  • From the same realms: King Allant (Slayer of Demons), Manus, Father of the Abyss (Chosen Undead), Pontiff Sulyvahn, Friede and Ariandel (Ashen One)
  • Others: Sauron, the Ancestor
• Opposed by:
• Of the day of kingdoms past, there exist several fantasy realms, each planted with the seeds of man and their successful reigns as their dominions grew with magnificence. However, these would not last, be it some unholy plague or eventual degradation, the reign of such kingdoms would fall and with it, the lands surrounding them. The population became mindless and the lands would be rife with abominations such as demons, ghouls, undead or worse. These stories however, all had one unifying trait: an unknown traveler would discover these lands, in search of something hidden, fight against the horrors of the lands, and prevail against such odds, eventually deciding for the fate of their journey at the very end. One has to ask, how would anyone handle such a tenuous journey without going mad? That is dependent on these souls, as wherever they go, whatever they find, whatever secret they uncover, death will follow them.
  • "On the first day, man was granted a soul, and with it, clarity. On the second day, upon Earth was planted an irrevocable poison; a soul-devouring Demon." - A king from Boletaria brought unprecedented prosperity to the lands and his people but it would all come to an end when the Deep Fog was unleashed and the kingdom would soon become a host of countless Demons, killing all within. Such Fog was seen as impenetrable with numerous warriors from various lands entering the kingdom, yet none have returned, their fates unknown and all form of hope to save humanity would be extinguished as they face a slow but steady extinction. But Boletaria has one final hope: a lone warrior who has braved the baneful Fog and entered the kingdom. Will this warrior be humanity's saviour, or a slave to the Demons?
  • "Thou who art Undead, art chosen… In thine exodus from the Undead Asylum, maketh pilgrimage to the land of Ancient Lords… When thou ringeth the Bell of Awakening, the fate of the Undead thou shalt know." - These words would mark the prophecy as the ringing of a Bell of Awakening sealed it, an undead champion would rise and take on a pilgrimage, an adventure to decide the fate of the world. This time, on the kingdom of Lordran and with it, an aging Age of Fire. This Chosen Undead, aptly called, has fought against fellow undead, various fantastical creatures both pure and corrupted, demons, dragons and eventually gods. Inevitably, said Chosen Undead would face his final choice, link the fire thus sacrificing his life to prolong the Age of Fire, or snuff the flame and bring an Age of Dark where humanity would become the new rulers. It would soon become clear what the cost is for the Flame to be prolonged for a long while.
  • "Perhaps you've seen it, maybe in a dream. A murky, forgotten land… A place where souls may mend your ailing mind. You will lose everything, once branded. The symbol of the curse, an auger of darkness. Your past, your future, your very light. None will have meaning, and you won't even care. By then, you will be something other than human. A thing that feeds on souls; A hollow." - Such is the fate of a Bearer of the Curse, a lone wanderer who has become a victim of the Undead Curse. Drawn to the forgotten lands of Drangleic, this Undead sought a cure to the curse, but was drawn, perhaps by an urge, to a new land. From here, said Undead faced the creatures of the land and with it, uncovered the secrets surrounding this once proud reign. Upon the discovery of a Throne of Want, the Bearer was faced with the option to continue the Flame or abandon it as what the Chosen Undead dealt with, but there is a third option, one that would reveal a truth that has been hidden by the sands of time.
  • "The Fire fades, and the lords go without thrones." - The old words discovered by the pilgrims who ventured into the North would soon realize this cryptic message, as the Age of Fire is threatened once again. The Lords of Cinder, who were prophesied to protect the First Flame and go to their thrones, would abandon their roles, resulting to the rise of an Unkindled. This Ashen One, one who is considered unfit to even be a Lord of Cinder, would take on the role to face the Lords of Cinder themselves and drag them back to their thrones. Their journey though would be considered the last as the secrets unearthed would become a key to not only the fate of the lands of Lothric, but would show the cost of prolonging the Age of Fire not since the first Chosen Undead and possibly by the Bearer on Drangleic. By the end, they are given a choice: prolong the Age of Fire one last time, finally snuff the flame out for good, or achieve what the Bearer of the Curse has done on a larger scale. Whatever the result was, the journey ended and only embers remained.
• The Pantheon is no stranger when it comes to souls, after all, several houses and deities who have the expertise and knowledge of such phenomena are more than willing to spread their teachings to those interested. Those of the higher levels have foretold that a master of souls, a group that had the ability to absorb fallen souls and transpose these fragile entities into themselves for power, would arrive soon and many would dismiss the tale. One being in particular, a Maiden in Black, sensed the presence and traced it into the gates of the Pantheon where she waited for what seemed to be forever. Despite being challenged by other soul-related deities, none of them could sense the same feeling as to what the Maiden is waiting for, until four shadows from the background were seen within the distance of the gates. The rumor has mentioned a master of souls, yet many did not expect that they would manifest in four knightly warriors clad in full armor. Upon entering the gates, the Maiden, having patiently waited for their ascension, warped the four into her domain and the remaining deities that watched were dumbfounded at the discovery, that said master of souls was not some fabled legend but unnamed regular warriors.
• These warriors of varied origin and different settings may seem as ordinary knights (or varied classes such as mages/thieves) but underneath all that lies an interconnected theme: determination in the face of opposing odds. Surely enough, the lands they have trudged are dangerous and are known for the ever-looming threat of death, yet they will realize that they would not be granted such and would return back, although in a weakened state. This case of death being more of a nuisance for them allows for multiple journeys and often times, dying repeatedly, be it a random creature both big and small, to beings of higher souls, even the environment would be against them for all the various booby traps and hazards. Even with this, they would slowly, through trial-and-error, find shortcuts, maneuver against large swaths of hostile beings, and kill higher beings to make themselves stronger. They may not start strong, but at the end of the journeys, they would almost always be of stronger power, all due to death, souls and a wee-bit of practice.
• It is said that the beginning of the trend of action-oriented RPGs all began by a band of warriors who fought against a looming evil with a Sword of Light, said adventure was also a Dark Fantasy setting but records of it have since disappeared and little was left to archive it by most Pantheon scholars. Another adventure, of similar setting would revolve around a Sword of Moonlight though little knowledge would be gleamed by those within the House of Gaming. It would not take long until the ascension of these four that many would slowly pick up the pieces and find out the "predecessors" of their own kind, with most seeing them, especially the Slayer of Demons and Chosen Undead, to be the successors of these types of games, a refined version of the mechanics discovered in the aforementioned adventures, with the addition that death would become a normal part of the experience. It further helps that each warrior has an explanation for their recovery after being slain.
• Once the four have become established all done by the Maiden in Black, several reactions were founded in various corners of the Pantheon, though this did not come from deities of other worlds but from their worlds. It would seem that despite them being nameless and faceless, their actions have done a lot to the gods in their own worlds, which shows that perhaps, actions speak louder than words. Being the gods and other creatures that they have slain in their adventures, many have opposed their existence but a few have come to appreciate their presence. In some cases, a few have considered that being slain by them is more of a mercy kill, given that some have already degraded far beyond their control.

@The Slayer: Likes to visit Raccoon City, both to hone his skills and also as a vacation spot. As he is technically undead, the zombified citizens mostly avoid him. Also not to be confused with the Doom Slayer.

More on Kenshi. 2 paragraphs to go.

Kenshi Takahashi, Celestial Patron of Blind Swordsmen (Blind Kenshi, Keanu [by Cassie Cage]; The Telekinetic Daredevil; Restorer of His Family's Name; Sexy Face Two, Straight Outta Earthrealm, Sword Man, Badass With A Sword, Two-Eye Blind, Outta Sight, Best Friend [by Johnny Cage])

• Potential Houses: Disabilities and Aim and Skill
• Lesser God
• Symbols: His Crimson Eyeband Wrapped Around His Sword, Sento
• Theme Songs:
  • From Deadly Alliance: House of Pekara
  • From Mortal Kombat 1: The Story Of Sento
• Alignment: Lawful Good
• Portfolios:
  • In General: Breakout Character, Handicapped Badass, His Katana Is Named Sento, Master Swordsman, Nice Guy, Loses His Eyesight In All Timelines, Puppet Fighter, Red Is Heroic, Tall, Dark, and Handsome, Twofer Token Minority
  • Original Timeline: Descended From Eurasian Warrior Kings, The Drifter, Roaring Rampage of Revenge
  • Netherrealm Timeline: Action Dad, Cool Old Guy, Disabled Snarker, Parental Abandonment (For A Good Reason), Shipper on Deck (Regarding Takeda and Jacqui), Tall, Dark, and Snarky, 3 Styles Are Balanced, Kenjutsu and Posessed
  • New Era: Adaptational Nice Guy, The Atoner, Badass in a Nice Suit, Face–Heel Turn, Family Honor, Good Cannot Comprehend Evil, On A Quest To Reedeem The Taira Clan, Tattooed Ex-Yakuza
• Domains: Blindness, Kombat, Organized Crime, Swordsmanship, Telepathy and Telekinesis
• Followers: The Takahashi Clan and Suchin, his lover
• On Neutral Terms With: House Of Crime and Transgressions (for the most part)
• Family: Takeda Takahashi (son - Netherrealm Timeline)
• Allies:
  • The Ascended Kombatants: Hanzo Hasashi, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang (as the Fire God), Kuai Liang, Sonya Blade, Jax Briggs, Cassie Cage, Jacqui Briggs, Kung Jin
  • Other Allies: John Wick, Beatrix 'The Bride' Kiddo, Professor X, Jean Grey (fellow telepaths), Matt Murdock/Daredevil, Kazuma Kiryu, Goro Majima, Kimiko Yamaguchi, Toph Beifong, Chirrut Îmwe of Rogue One, Siegfried Schtauffen
• Rivals: Heishiro Mitsurugi, Haohmaru, Samanouske Akechi, Jetstream Sam Raiden (Metal Gear)
• Enemies:
  • The Ascended Kombatants: Shang Tsung (Original and Netherrealm Timelines), Onaga, Hotaru (Original Timeline only)
  • Other Enemies: The Joker, Nightmare, Thouzer, Sheev Palpatine, Solidus Snake, Sundowner
• Ambiguous Relationship: Ermac
• Person Of Interest To: Frank Castle/The Pumisher, Amanda Waller, Tatsu 'Katana' Yamashiro
• Odd Friendship: With Jason ' Red Hood' Todd, Ichi, Guts and Anakin Skywalker
• Pities: Carrie White
• Kenshi Takahashi. There are conflicting reports as to the origins of the blind swordsman who fights for Earthrealm. One such report details him as descended from a lineage of Eurasian Warrior Kings. Another has him working for Special Forces, seeking revenge on the Red Dragon for the murder of his lover, while reconnecting with his son, who Kenshi had left in the relative safety of Hanzo Hasashi and the Shirai Ryu. The most recent reports are of Kenshi not being from a warrior king bloodline, but a former member of the Yakuza, descended from a clan long thought to have been destroyed centuries past, now seeking to redeem his clan. But there are several things thar can be confirmed regarding Kenshi. He has an intense hatred for Shang Tsung (as he was the cause of his blindness in the first two timelines), in all three reports, he lost his sight (the first two due to the aforementioned sorcerer, the third to Mileena driven mad by her Tarkart affliction), Kenshi acquired Sento after losing his sight, his encounter with Ermac resulted him in learning telepathy, and he has strong ties to Earthrealm, primarily with Special Forces. For some folks, the ex-Yakuza angle is more believable.
  • While his background in the first two timelines is well-known, it's his background in Liu Kang's New Era that's drawing attention on Kenshi. The Takahashi were originally known as the Taira Clan, one of ancient Japan's most honored families. However, the Taira were nearly wiped out during the Siege of Aomori. To make things worse, the ancestral sword, Sento, was lost in the battle. Their numbers few, the surviving Taira changed their surname from Taira to Takahashi, and sought protection from the Bakuto, the predecessors to the Japanese Yakuza. "From first family to crime family," as Johnny Cage put it when Kenshi came for Sento, as it had been in Johnny's posession. Johnny refused to hand over Sento (as he paid $3 million for it), but relented after Kenshi saved his life, at the cost of a berserk Mileena gouging out his eyes. With Sento now in his posession, Kenshi plans to redeem his clan, to seperate them from their past ties to the Yakuza. But even in Liu Kang's New Era, it won't be easy.
• Kazuma Kiryu, Goro Makima, and Kimiko Yamaguchi are quite possibly the only Yakuza deities that Kenshi is on good terms with. Neither Kazuma or Yankumi did not bear any ill will towards Kenshi for leaving the Yakuza, as he had to put his clan first. Goro did criticize Kenshi for his decision, but understood Kenshi's reason behind the decision. But there are those who are not entirely convinced that Kenshi changed his ways. The fact that he was part of the Yakuza is more than enough for Frank Castle to try and put a bullet in him, and Castle has killed more than his share of Japanese mobsters over the years. But Kenshi is protected, and is actively working in protecting Earthrealm. With patience honed from his time as a Marine sniper, Frank watches Kenshi, waiting for the day he relapses. When Kenshi does fall back into his old ways, Frank will be there to punish him. On the other hand, Amanda Waller sees Kenshi as a high value recruit for the Suicide Squad. Of course, given that it's Waller we're talking about, her method of recruiting involves cranial bombs and the threat of her detonating them being her modus operandi.
  • Interestingly enough, the main factor why Frank doesn't put a bullet in Kenshi's head is because of Kenshi's friendship with Professor X and Jean Grey. In the days following his debut, Kenshi sought instruction on how to better control his telepathy, and you can't go wrong with Professor X and Jean Grey as your teachers. Tatsu Yamashiro also has a 'kill-on-sight' policy in regards to any Yakuza she comes across. Given that her family had been butchered by her Yakuza brother-in-law, one cannot fault Katana for her violent response. But, as Katana had bear witnessed, Kenshi's attempts at redeeming the Taira and being a good father to Takeda are indeed genuine. Plus, killing someone with ties to Special Forces would look bad on Katana's part, hence the wielder of Soultaker adapting a 'wait-and-see' approach with Kenshi.
• Is Kenshi a deadbeat dad for abandoning Takeda to the Shirai Ryu? It's actually kinda complicated. Yes, Kenshi admit that he left Takeda in Hanzo's hands, but given that the Red Dragon had just murdered his lover and that both he and his son are high on Daegon's hit list, his choice of leaving Takeda with the Shirai Ryu was the best decision Kenshi could have made under the circumstances. This has garnered some measure of sympathy from those parents who were forced to abandon their children for their own safety. Speaking of his son, Kenshi was righteously enraged once Jacqui told him that The Joker had all but confirmed that he had given Takeda the Jason Todd treatment (i.e., beaten with a crowbar). Kenshi is more than happy to kill the Clown Prince for that. Of course, Jason Todd told Kenshi to "get in line," as he wants nothing more to use Joker for target practice. Kenshi has vowed to give Joker the same courtesy as he had given to Takeda, only with Sento in lieu of a crowbar.
  • But if there is one person that Kenshi hates with the fury of a patient man, it's Shang Tsung. In both timelines, Shang had played to Kenshi's ego, convincing him that he could find a sword worthy of his skill. Shang wasn't lying about the sword. All it cost was Kenshi's eyesight and Shang consuming the souls of his warrior king ancestors. Shang would also claim that he would consume Kenshi's own soul, Kenshi having made his final stand against the denizens of Shang's Island fortress. Kenshi denies the claim. However, the deified Seidan fanatic, Hotaru, hates Kenshi with the same intense passion as Kenshi has towards Shang Tsung. It probably has something to do with Kenshi bisecting him from gullet to groin following Onaga's return, thus saving Kuai Liang's life. As Hotaru sees Kenshi as a threat to Order in general (never mind that Havik had nearly killed his son), Hotaru has no problems in killing Kenshi if given the opportunity.
• During the Netherrealm Timeline, one of Kenshi's variants is simply named Posessed, where Kenshi summons demons from his ruined blade to attack his opponent. It's the last one that worries Sigfried Schtauffen. Given that he was corrupted into becoming Nightmare upon taking Soul Sdge for himself upon touching the cursed sword, his concerns are not without merit. Fortunately, Kenshi hasn't used the Posessed variant in a while, and only uses it as a last resort, putting Sigfried at ease... mostly. On the opposite end, the living avatar, Nightmare, seeks to possess Kenshi's body due to his use of the Posessed variant. As it turns out, Siegfried wasn't the only one that was concerned about Kenshi using demons to attack his opponents, as both Heishiro Mitsurugi and Haohmaru also approached Kenshi regarding his attacks of choice. Samanouske Akaechi actually thought that Kenshi was a Genma agent, until Kenshi talked Sam down. As the reason why Kenshi knows these three rōnin? It's because that he himself was a wanderer in the first two timelines, which is how Kenshi had met the other three men. Every once in a while Kenshi would reunite with Haohmaru, Mitsurugi and Sam, where they compare stories and opponents. The last time they were together was at the Pao Pao Cafe, during Kurogiri and the Villain Pub's attack on the establishment, as they wrecked the four deified swordsmen's 'sake-and-chill' session. Kenshi, Sam, Mitsurugi and Haohmaru - nicknamer Team Rōnin - teamed up and aided the assortment of heroes - and some villains - in fighting off the invaders,
• Kenshi is on friendly terms with John 'Baba Yaga' Wick and Beatrix 'The Bride' Kiddo. One thing that the trio have in common is their former ties to organized crime, Kenshi being an ex-Yakuza, John and Beatrix being former assassins, and the three leaving their previous lives to forge new paths... with varying levels of success. Of course, given that her former teammate went on to lead the Tokyo underworld, Beatrix was on her guard. Kenshi put her at ease, stating that while he and his clan knew of O-Ren Ishii and of the Crazy 88, the Takahashi clan had no dealings with them. Due to Kenshi's Yakuza past, he has past dealings with the House of Crime and Transgressions, and his news of trying to go legit has mixed reactions. What was shocking was that Michael Corleone had wished Kenshi luck in going legit, as he himself knows full well of the difficulties of trying to shift his family from organized crime to more legitimate activities. Yet, Don Corleone (along with Kazuma and Yankumi) made Kenshi swear that he would not come after them. So long as their activities don't threaten Earthrealm's safety, Kenshi agreed. Kenshi is lucky that most of the criminals - even some of the irredeemable ones - in the House of Crime hate the Black and Red Dragons as much as he does.

Where would Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence go?

The original holder of the trope, Tenshi Hinanawi, was in Afterlife Entities, so that Hall might be good.

For all the Souls protagonists, a Berserk mention is definitely in the works, considering how Berserk inspired all the games.

Per this TRS thread, Transgender Fetishization was disambiguated and the new tropes Trans Chaser and Trans Equals Hypersexual replaced it, so the following pages need to have wicks to Transgender Fetishization removed or replaced (depending on whether they fit any of the tropes on the disambiguation page):

• Pantheon.Final Fight
• Pantheon.Gender Sex Changes
• Pantheon.Shapeshifters
• Pantheon.Street Fighter
• Pantheon.Unconventional Weaponry

Just a reminder that Palutena has 3 s. Only 2 more and she's worked (under the Houses of Light and Brightness and Religion and Faith).

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Alright, got two proposals here:

• Battleblock Theater for Abominable Auditorium: the titular setting of the game and a Theater run by cats. The theater fulfills both the “poorly run” and “evil” sides of the trope: for the former, Battleblock Theater is stated to be way past its prime, being poorly managed, falling apart, and as the Narrator complains “smells like pee and feet”, and as for the latter the cats kidnap anyone that comes across the island and forces them to either become their boss so they can get paid, or compete in various deadly shows and be treated like prisoners.

• Edward "Stubbs" Stubberfield for Patient Zero: A zombie accidentally raised from the dead wreaking havoc in Punchbowl city. The whole game is about Stubbs being the first zombie risen, and how you have to infect other people to create more zombies and overwhelm your enemies, alongside being smarter and more powerful than his fellow undead. By the end of the game the whole city is infected thanks to Stubbs.

for both

I like both of those ideas.

Got a couple of new ideas. I wanna know if you guys like them or don't

• Metal Man, God of Saw Blades (Hall of Bladed Weapons)-the very first Robot Master Dr Wily made. Metal Man's offense is the Metal Blade, circular saw blades that he throws at you. They do a hilarious amount of damage, and ironically enough Metal Man is weak to them. His level has a bunch of blades in it
• Chill Penguin, God of Super Sliding (Hall of Non-Vehicular Travel, Neutral Evil)-Chill Penguin is a robotic penguin and former Maverick Hunter who joined Sigma's rebellion because he was frustrated by his boring Arctic job. Like real penguins he is skilled at sliding on ice and he tries to tackle you by sliding on the ice and sending penguin ice sculptures at your direction. His weapon, Shotgun Ice, allows you to slide with a penguin ice sculpture

Abstaining for both. There are already a lot of Mega Man deities and Robot Masters tend to be low on interesting characterization.

I know Chill has enough of a personality since Mavericks tend to be characters who actually have those unlike Robot Masters (plus there’s a Manga to draw from I think?) but I’m abstaining on both.

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Dec 30th 2023 at 7:34:52 AM

Hey, don't forget about the Archie comics!

While I work on Cotton Cookie and Sherbet Cookie, I was wondering if either Prom Wrecker or Murder Ballad was taken, cause I got the best candidate for the tropes.

In the musical 35MM: A Musical Exhibition, the last and most famous song is "The Ballad of Sara Barry", in which the popular girl, Sara Barry, wants to become Prom Queen under pressure by her father and will do everything she can do to it, ultimately deciding to murder the competition so that she wins by default. It is a very popular song on Youtube to make animatics of.

Glad you chose that, will definitely start working on it during the new year. She's going in Killjoys and Griefers, but would she also have a temple in School as well, given that Proms are in schools?

Edited by Camilla on Dec 30th 2023 at 10:07:18 AM

for Sara taking Prom Wrecker. As a side note, you should link to the work page in question (35MM: A Musical Exhibition).

EDIT: I wouldn't mind a second placement in one of School's Halls if possible (School Activities?).

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Dec 30th 2023 at 11:06:15 AM

In the wake of Transgender Fetishization being disambiged, I propose the following tropes as candidates for Poison to be moved to:

Option 1- She's a Man in Japan (In an effort to downplay the idea of punching women in the west, while Poison is a cis woman in Japan, she was retconned into being transfem overseas. This has something that has received mentions at points in games duch as Final Fight Revenge, Capcom Classics Collection, early quotes in Street Fighter X Tekken, and allusions in Street Fighter V (outdated terminology and weird quotes aside), with the general confusions on her (being either a cis woman, pre-op or post-op) being enough to, prompt numerous discussions and at least two decently-sized videos on YouTube discussing it.)

Option 2- Whip of Dominance (The simpler option of the two. To reflect her dominatrix aesthetic, Poison has been shown to wield various whip-like items in games, such as a riding crop in Street Fighter IV and a full-on whip in Street Fighter V.)

Edited by Shinobi on Dec 30th 2023 at 10:47:21 AM

Personally, I'd vote for She's a Man in Japan, but let's see what others think.

Anyway, there's something I wanted to bring up:

Durkon Thundershield and Marie (from Persona) have tropes that would fit better into Companionship. Do I have permission to move them there?

Edited by mdalsted on Dec 30th 2023 at 11:45:26 AM

for moving the holders of Token Religious Teammate and Honorary True Companion to Companionship.

for changing Poison's trope to She's a Man in Japan.

@ Excessive-Menace: Alright, I'll drop them for others to potentially use

Where would Dumber Than They Look go? I'm not certain myself

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Dec 31st 2023 at 8:12:59 AM

Mindsets is probably the best bet, since that's where the deity representing Smarter Than You Look resides.

Coolio.

First draft of SCP-3812. I am mainly looking for a) advice on what parts of his lore I missed or got mistaken and b) who has similar narrative-manipulating abilities to him?

SCP-3812, God of Ascending To A Higher Plane Of Existence (A Voice Behind Men, Birth name: Sam Howell

• Adopted from: Donutdodongo
• Hall: Afterlife Entities (House of Death and Postmortem)
• Overdeity (Object Class: Keter)
• Symbol: A humanoid figure emerging from painting within a painting to the painting, then what's outside
• Alignment: True Neutral
• Portfolio: Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence (specifically, higher narrative levels), Was Once a Man, Alters Reality In A Way The Foundation Can't Measure, My Skull Runneth Over, No-Sell
• Domains: Ascension, Metafiction, Narratives, Power, Anomalies
• Observed by: The SCP Foundation
• Interests: The Grand United Alliance of Destruction, White Face, Adam Dressler
• Interested in: Rick Sanchez, anyone capable of manipulating the fourth wall/plot
• Allies: The One Above All, the Beyonder, Jon Osterman/Dr Manhattan
• On good terms with: Delirium of the Endless, Muung Daal Catering, Mr Mxyzptlk, The Crew of the Nebuchadnezzar
• On speaking terms with: (Insert Name Here)
• Enemies: Zamasu, Lord English, Dhuum
• Feared By: Many, including Trope-Tan, Richard Nixon (Monument Mythos), Wiz and Boomstick, those bigoted towards African-Americans like Moon Man and Col. Benjamin Cameron
• Disappoints: Kefka Palazzo
• Pities: Giygas
• Envied by: Father (Fullmetal Alchemist)
• Annoys: Rick Sanchez
• Uncertain opinion from: Wade Wilson/Deadpool, the Crimson Chin, SCP-239
• Uncertain opinion on: Buddy Baker/Animal Man
• SCP-3812 used to be a normal African-American man called Sam Howell, who died in 1996. That was until he rose from his grave and disappeared. Initially it seemed like they had a Type-Green on their hand, but he proved impossible to contain. Whole nations started to blink in and out of existence, and a variety of chaotic events happened. What was weird is that the Hume levels^note how the SCP Foundation measures reality's integrity and check the effects of reality warping remain unchanged, meaning reality was being altered in a way they weren't ready for. It was eventually concluded that he was ascending not to higher realities, but to higher narrative levels (so from a Show Within a Show, to the show, then Real Life then whatever may be beyond). And he suffered from schizophrenia, made worse by the input of a form of existence the human brain was never made for. Fortunately after a talk with himself he came to his senses, choosing instead to let the narrative of the SCP Foundation play out. He continues to explore and reach higher narrative levels, immensely powerful and incomprehensible but not malicious.
• In the midst of a regular day in the Pantheon, several unexplainable occurrences took place. Straits of vegetation trailed across the deserts of the House of Nature, various explosions took place without warning, and entire Houses simply ceased to exist for a period of time. At the behest of the Main House, a Pantheon-wide investigation was held to find the Deity responsible for these events. It wasn't until Aurelion Sol discovered a new star in the pantheon sky that the culprit was found. The "star" was identified by the SCP Foundation to be SCP-3812. And with that, a sense of dread; there may be plenty of reality-bending Overdeities, but how many of those are capable of transcending the very narrative they exist in? A massive tower appeared in the Hall of Metafiction reaching parts unknown. The Moon God fictionalized 3812, but all that did was slow him down. Goku was about to push the Zen'o button. Even his own real life writer couldn't erase him, though they did argue. Fortunately Sam Howell made his intentions clear; he's not interested in controlling or destroying the Trope Pantheon. He's currently on his quest to reach higher narrative levels, but for now he wants to take a break and relax as he was interested in the Trope Pantheon. And yes, he's become aware of the writers contributing to it; he prefers not to ruin the project. He's been talking to (Insert Name Here) about it.
• Suffers from a number of psychoses like difficulty determining reality from fiction, a second personality and general erratic behavior. He has made peace with his alter, and in his meantime has talked to Delirium of the Endless due to feeling a kindred spirit. Some feared this encounter; SCP-3812 has the ability to erase entire concepts from reality...aka tropes. This frightens Trope-Tan, and in all honesty she is still fearful of him even if he has decided to take a stance on neutrality. Sam chose to be honest about his intentions in that he wants to see if he can reach the pinnacle, that being Real Life itself, and maybe even see what's above it (ie: if the Simulation Hypothesis or something like it is true) but more so a means of exploration and understanding rather than any desire for power. He then constructed an ultimately humble temple, based on his old house in Louisiana. The SCP Foundation is still trying to work on a way of containing him, though he kind of gets it. After all, among his many impressive feats of reality warping, the remains of one of the anomalies he destroyed in his madness became SCP-239...yes, that 239. She's not sure how to feel about it and the Foundation would prefer they not communicate.
• Comparisons could be made between Sam Howell and Jon Osterman. Once normal humans, they became reality warpers with a heightened perspective of reality. However, this perspective has not been good for their mental health; Sam has suffered schizophrenia and other mental disorders due to the input of different narrative levels, and being a Non-Linear Character depressed Manhattan because Prescience Is Predictable. SCP-3812 and Dr Manhattan conversed and opened up to each other about their experience, the latter noting he experimented with the fabric of reality but ultimately had a change of height. He also mused that the ability to reach higher narrative levels makes 3812 capable of understanding the structure of DC's metaverse, a mystery that alluded Dr Manhattan. SCP-3812 then looked on Giygas, and felt a bit better because as much as his ascension has induced Sanity Slippage, he has not been rendered as broken as Giygas. He holds pity for the alien even if he doesn't hold interest in destruction.
• SCP-3812 has told Wiz and Boomstick it is not interested in a vs, let alone a DEATH BATTLE!, partly due to his "overexposure to narrative" has made it unable to accurately perceive the world, and is forced to alter reality to diminish the discrepancy between how it perceives something, and the way that something is in actuality. Also, partly because he would prefer not to cause collateral damage. Given that his ability to travel to higher narrative stacks would allow him to break out of a Death Battle simulation and into Wiz and Boomstick's location, and the Kayfabe video their live-action actors perform, it was a good call. Still, they gave him an idea; go up to Lord English and mock him that he may have killed his author's avatar, but he cannot and never will touch the Real Life Andrew Hussie. LE would go on a rampage afterwards, with Sam Howell being smart enough not to test his luck by being in firing range. Dhuum has been seething at him as well, since he cheated death and he knows he has absolutely no way of making him return to his grave.
• Because of extreme potential for destruction, the GUAD has vested interest in trying to push his psyche into destroying all life. Kefka voiced disappointment that someone could go through a similar power and madness arc as him but not come to the same conclusion, so he has encouraged the GUAD to prove to Sam Howell that life is a pointless, tiny thing. Though the split personality pondered that the narrative they seek to destroy was one of trillions and they need not care, Sam Howell argued that even if its meaningless fun, it still has potential for something fulfilling and that they have each other. While meditating on this Zamasu lunged at him, thinking he was distracted and wanting to slay a mortal who dares become a god. It didn't work and SCP-3812 mused "you're no god, you're the pantheon's Hate Sink and I think they would find this funny". Later on Zamasu was found trapped in a panel of one of Master Roshi's dirty magazines. He got out eventually because 3812 lost focus, and he is still utterly fuming about the humiliation.
• Given that he was an African-American man, racists are generally nervous around him. Never mind that SCP-3812 no longer sees himself as human and has stopped caring about such petty concerns like prejudice, the fact he was still strikes fear into Moon Man and Col Benjamin that he'll turn them into cantaloupes should they so much as whisper the N-word in private. 3812's concerns, at least when he's able to focus enough to be in relative lucidity, don't involve anyone trying to steal his powers for their own because no-one has gotten close. The Father of the Homunculi is deeply jealous of Sam Howell since without even trying, he has obtained his own greatest desire; absolute freedom, even from the very laws of nature. Considering Father can't break the fourth wall, he doesn't comprehend what transcending narratives would really mean. Now aware of his existence in a Double-Blind What-If, Adam Dressler is bemused by what'd be like to go upwards into the setting of the Kaiserreich Hearts Of Iron mod and then OT.
• For those wondering what Wiz and Boomstick were considering, they sheepishly considered him fighting The One Above All after He already turned down a fight with the Presence. It is worth noting that SCP-3812 is not intended to be The Omnipotent like TOAA and some would argue there are stronger beings in the SCP verse, though with his "narrative transcendence" the Top God of Marvel was intrigued. Interestingly, it's noted The One Above All is aware of "the storyteller", implicitly admitting He knows the real life Marvel writers are beyond even Him , which might have influenced His interest in SCP-3812. That, and The One Above All is often seen as a sort of Author Avatar, having first taken the form of Jack Kirby. He seems to relate to Sam Howell at any rate, stating "The mystery intrigues me. I know how you feel...let's solve that mystery together". Also, He has a Hulk of sorts, The One Below All, so 3812's DID might be relatable to Him.
• Many characters have No Fourth Wall, but they tend not to treat it with any seriousness. SCP-3812 had an argument with an author and the awareness of his own fictionality within fictionality combined with being able to leave, well, he certainly wouldn't call it a laughing matter. Rick thinks SCP-3812 is pretentious since while he does like to do a nice wink to the audience once in a while, overindulging in Meta Humor and making it the plot of an episode is a pet peeve of his. Sam is somewhat amused by Rick's statements since while nowhere near the plot-manipulating powerhouse he is, he's pretty cunning when it comes to fighting these tactics, and he wants to see what he might do in a sequel to "Full Meta Jackrick". Mr Mxyzptlk is another Reality Warper who feels fourth wall breaks should be more done for fun than anything serious and thinks that Sam Howell should just try to have fun here; he's not living in what's often a Cosmic Horror Story, and he should see the Trope Pantheon as a way to relax.
• One of the reasons why Rick thinks 3812's meta nature and the potential consequences of serious fourth wall breaks might be because he believes the show won't retain its integrity if it makes whole plots off of meta instead of keeping it to one-off gags and jokes. Taking it to heart, SCP-3812 decided not to "infringe" on Deadpool's profile gimmick of first person perspective profiles. For those wondering, Wade Wilson isn't going to go on a soapbox and call 3812's power "pretentious", though he has had bad experience with an evil version of himself who went on a tirade of omnicidal nihilism and Rage Against the Author because of his awareness of the fourth wall and thus supposedly being meaningless. The Crimson Chin, having dealt with that angst, has told 3812 not to worry too much about whether you're fictional or not; he knows his reality is a comic book but he still finds the motivation to do heroism within in. That said, there's still a good amount of nervousness from him and Deadpool due to how powerful he is.
• For those wondering, Animal Man has been barred from talking to SCP-3812 by the SCP Foundation despite, or rather because of his Noticing the Fourth Wall. This is because his talk with Grant Morrison showed for all those who claim The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You, Sam Howell's "threat" to real life is entirely Kayfabe; no matter how powerful a fictional character is written, they can NEVER enter real Real Life. It's possible that the SCP Foundation is freaked out since it renders one of their SCP-001 proposals (ie; a plan to kill the real life writers and viewers) All for Nothing should they ever use it. White Face didn't get the memo as it sees potential to further freak out the audience due to SCP-3812's power to ascend through narrative stacks. It's something White Face became aware of after noticing that the Hall of Metafiction tends to move to wherever 3812 appears should he stay in one location for too long.
• Has somewhat of a soft spot for Neo and his allies, and the Mung Daal Catering. The latter are very much aware they have No Fourth Wall and rather than wallowing in existential crises, they take it casually. Given his own existential crises from ascending, he respects that...and even if he can't tell where they stack or fit on the narrative levels exactly, he still likes their show. For the former, he can respect their desire to be free from a simulation given his desire to ascend to a higher planes of existence.
• Come, the night stretches out before us and the red sun has set. A voice behind me beckons. Come.

Palutena Alights!

John with his retcon powers is Unstuck from the narrative and is great at Retconjuration. Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the Anti-Cosmic Entity and is incredibly dangerous to them. Thanks to SCP’s narrative powers he should be able to avoid much of it since iirc Amatsu never touched that.