Alright, so in TRS Badass Gay came up for discussion and it was agreed that there appears to big problem with the Badass X tropes in general, which needs to be sorted out until something can be ruled on for Badass Gay.
Here's a courtesy link: TRS page
. And Badass page with its subtropes. You can also visit the sandbox page here.
Noted Problems include:
- Tropes are just listings of characters people thing are badass who happen to have a certain trait. (The Badass + Trait Problem)
- Badass X as a naming scheme is actually very vague and doesn't give a lot of insight into what the character trope actually is, assuming it is a trope.
- Badass X as a naming scheme proliferates the use of Badass + Trait 'tropes'.
Suggested things to do include:
- Make it a requirement that a badass character trope means a character is "badass because of a trait", or "badass in spite of a trait".
- Renaming away from the Badass X naming scheme as much as possible.
- Cut, redefine or re-purpose things that are just Badass + trait.
There are also a lot of tropes that seem to be valid character-types, but have the naming scheme 'Badass X', when there's more to the trope than that. There are also a lot of prop or event or whatever tropes that need to be gone through as well.
Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2020 at 7:39:14 AM
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For the record, I'm okay with putting "Badass as fighter" first, I'm merely disagreeing with mentioning it as "the most common use on this wiki" since I think my wick checks show it to not exactly be the case. And I like both versions of the description.
I'd suggest to add "Badass as an adjective that means "cool, awesome"" which from what I've seen is the most common use in the vernacular outside this wiki. Maybe it should also be mentioned in the definition itself, since it's a bit different from what's currently described in the definition.
edited 14th Oct '15 1:15:15 PM by Rjinswand
The Badass Fan Speak draft has been updated. This is Version 3: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/BadassFanSpeak.
Anything else or should I move it into Main?
I think "Badass = cool, awesome" should be distinct from "Badass = Rule of Cool", because Rule of Cool =/= "cool, awesome". It's a different meaning.
Here, I split it into its own entry, see what you think.
I also took the liberty to remove the "a Badass doesn't need to be macho" paragraph, since it was taken from one of my posts anyway. Thing is, that post related to an attempt at finding the "one true definition" of Badass, while now we're trying to list all possible uses of the word, and there definitely are people who associate "badass" with "stereotypically macho".
Besides these minor points, I think the writeup looks pretty splendid
edited 15th Oct '15 11:26:22 AM by Rjinswand
The Other Troper
I still think the definitions should be bullet points, since this is about quick definitions, not sections.
edited 15th Oct '15 11:31:52 AM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
UPD: ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
By the way, I've started cleaning up ZCE in the wicks. Currently, I'm only removing total ZCE (like this:
Do you guys think I should also remove ZCE potholes like
edited 15th Oct '15 11:37:30 AM by Rjinswand
I think "Badass as "Cool, Awesome"" should be the first or second point on the fanspeak page as that's how it's used in common speech. People shouldn't have to go hunting on the page for the most common definition of the word.
Since the underlying logic behind "Badass as fighter" is about being "cool/awesome etc. (as we've established, Glass Joe is not a badass), I put "Badass as 'cool, awesome'" first and "Badass as Fighter" second.
I think the sections make for better organization than bullet points and it better resembles the template for Mary Sue which is what the crowner said.
Cool! I think the writeup is good to go ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
UPD: You know, maybe also mention in the description that "badass" can be used as a noun or as an adjective?
Does anyone have any input on the question I asked in @1356?
edited 15th Oct '15 2:20:30 PM by Rjinswand
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Cool, thanks!
and don't forget badass as an adjective when describing an action in relation to the person's expected capabilities. i.e. "that was pretty badass to say you're x"
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
^^^ Agreed, remove extraneous potholes.
I also added Determinator and Made of Iron as tropes we have for the Badass as Tough or Resilient section.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
I added the "noun or adjective part" and then made the swap. Also, I updated the laconic to reflect this change.
Now I have other concerns. Should we do anything about the quote or the page image?
Also, what about that long list of subtropes? Should we prune it to remove shoehorning, or, should we let them stay given the wide variety of possiblity defintions of the word? Should we move all of them into to another page and call it Common Badass Traits?
Wait we already swapped it? I didn't think we were done yet. We certainly hadn't finished discussing what we'd be doing from there, which would be reflected in the page write up.
Wait, I'd suggest we keep the new writeup (Badass 2.0) in the sandbox, until we finish a lot of other stuff. Right now it might be confusing to tropers unfamiliar with this thread!
I'd suggest to revert to Badass 1.0 for the time being.
I'd argue that Badass 2.0 shouldn't have any subtropes, since it's a fanspeak word with no clear definition.
edited 17th Oct '15 7:58:48 AM by Rjinswand
It already has subtropes though. I don't think saying that they don't exist or aren't related is really going to work.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
It has been redefined. It's a new definition.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I agree that it shouldn't have any subtropes as a multi-varied Fan Speak term. The list of tropes (which has Example Indentation In Trope Lists problems anyway) has examples from any concept that Badass has been used for. It's not a Super-Trope because there is nothing concrete uniting all of these tropes. The list reflects that, being a mashup of things tropers consider awesome, tropes about fighters or fighting, tropes about willpower and never giving up, tropes about being intimidating or scary, tropes about people with authority, and tropes that rely on Rule of Cool to work. Others are shoehorned in with hyperbole.
Sub-Super Tropes:
- Badass in Charge: The Leader of the group is a badass.
- Harbinger of Asskicking: The sign of Badasse is upon us.
- Hidden Badass: They're badass, you just don't notice it at first glance.
- Submissive Badass: When a badass is a follower, not a leader; don't think they can't break your face as a result.
Sub-Tropes:
Singular:
- The Ace: Being good at something hard makes you a Badass. Being the best? That's even more Badass.
- Action Dad: Dad kicks ass.
- Action Fashionista: The hero who has class out the ass, while kicking ass.
- Action Girl: She kicks ass.
- Action Girlfriend: When she's your girlfriend.
- Violently Protective Girlfriend: You hurt her lover. Nice knowing you, pal.
- Action Mom: Mom kicks ass.
- Pregnant Badass: She's carrying a child. Don't think she can't terminate your ability to create them.
- Action Girlfriend: When she's your girlfriend.
- Action Hero: He kicks ass.
- Action Pet: Your pet kicks ass.
- Action Survivor: An everyday guy with no Action Hero qualities who is actually forced to be a badass.
- Adaptational Badass: Maybe they weren't so badass in the manga or the TV show, but they really started cracking skulls in the anime and movies.
- Ambadassador: They represent their hometown or home country and they plan to export a beating to those who mess with them.
- Agent Peacock: Rule of Glamorous meets Rule of Cool in a effeminate guy who kicks butt.
- Almighty Janitor: He may have the lowest rank, but he can kick more ass than his superiors.
- Ass-Kicking Pose: Exactly What It Says on the Tin.
- Badass Arm-Fold: A particularly badass pose.
- Asskicking Equals Authority: Kick enough asses and you're fit to rule.
- Authority Equals Asskicking: There's a damn good reason they govern in the first place and you wouldn't want to learn it the hard way.
- Awesome Aussie: The coolest thing to come from down under.
- Badass Adorable: Okay, they're cute, but don't think that they can't leave you lying in a pool of your own blood.
- Cute Bruiser: Little kids with big strength.
- Killer Rabbit: Small, cute, dangerous as all hell.
- Badass and Baby: They kick ass. Doesn't mean they can't go into battle and take care of an infant at the same time.
- Badass and Child Duo: Badass has a child following him around. And woe betide anyone who tries to target that kid.
- Badass Back: When someone is so badass, they drop a foe without even turning around.
- Offhand Backhand: Bonus points if they didn't even notice you were there.
- Badass Bandolier: A utilitarian accessory worn so a badass can keep their tools of the trade handy.
- Badass Baritone: Nothing says intimidating like a deep voice.
- Badass Beard: Their facial hair is shorthand for "Don't mess with me."
- Badass Biker: Nothing says badass better than a Cool Bike.
- Badass Boast / Pre-Asskicking One-Liner: Every good badass needs a cool line about how dead you're gonna be after they're done.
- Bond One-Liner: A badass quip after you killed a foe.
- My Name Is Inigo Montoya: Isn't it nice for a badass to introduce themselves before they kick your ass?
- Pre-Mortem One-Liner: A badass quip when you're about to kill a foe.
- Badass Bookworm: Reads the encyclopedia for fun and capable of using it to beat your face in.
- Genius Bruiser: Kicks ass, but is also intelligent.
- Minored in Ass-Kicking: A much more subdued version of the Badass Bookworm who doesn't actively practice their badass status, but can be if need be.
- Badass Bureaucrat: Master of paper shuffling and the dreaded red tape. Capable of screwing with your life in many ways.
- Badass Bystander: They were minding their own business until you turned their world upside down. Now they're gonna make you regret that mistake.
- Badass Cape: Long flowing capes are the traditional accessory of certain breeds of badasses.
- All-Encompassing Mantle: Badass Cape taken Up To Eleven
- Black Cloak: A more sinister variety.
- Badass Creed: A philosophy that espouses badass as a central tenet.
- Badass Driver: Give them a vehicle and they'll do some hardcore stuff with it.
- Badass Finger Snap: A badass snaps his fingers and something cool happens.
- Badass Gay: Just because they're gay doesn't mean that they're not a bonafide badass.
- Badass Grandpa: He might have grandchildren who see him as a teddy bear, but don't think he won't make you fear him if you cross him.
- Never Mess with Granny: Genderflipped Badass Grandpa.
- Badass in a Nice Suit: A badass needs nice clothes, don't you think?
- Badass Israeli: An Israeli who's a badass.
- Badass Longcoat: A great way to look is to wear an imposing overcoat.
- Coat Cape: If you don't have a Badass Cape or a Badass Longcoat, try the next best thing.
- The Coats Are Off: Sometimes you get even more badass when you take the coat off.
- Badass Long Robe: The wizard version of the Badass Longcoat.
- Trenchcoat Warfare: When your longcoat hides badass things to be unleashed at whoever messes with you.
- Badass Mustache: Like Badass Beard, but above the lip.
- Badass Native: When the natives are restless and scrotum-crushingly badass.
- Badass Normal: The non-powered character in a group with superpowers, but who kicks just as much ass.
- Empowered Badass Normal: When said ordinary, already badass person gains superpowers.
- Badass Pacifist: Does not kill, not even fight. But when the time comes, they selflessly sacrifice their lives to save others.
- Badass Preacher: He will minister to his flock and break you in half with his shepherd's crook if you think about hurting them.
- Badass Princess: She is not one to get kidnapped. Instead, she breaks kidnappers in half.
- Badass Santa: Santa kicks ass.
- Badass Teacher: Teaches students and brutally schools the fools who take them on.
- Badass Transplant: When someone becomes a badass via a prosthetic of some kind.
- Badass Unintentional: Didn't plan to be a badass.
- Badbutt: As badass as a kid-friendly show will allow.
- Bald Of Awesome: A lack of hair does not diminish the badasse at all.
- Barbarian Longhair: Nothing screams badass like a guy with long, unkempt hair.
- Bears Are Bad News: An angry bear can maul your face off. Just see if he doesn't.
- Beat Them at Their Own Game: When a badass beats you with your own special move.
- The Berserker: A wild and uninhibited form of badass warrior.
- Beware the Nice Ones: They're the nicest people you'll ever meet. But if you piss them off, they won't hesitate to make you regret it.
- Beware the Quiet Ones: They don't talk much. However, they will kick your ass if you take that as a sign of weakness.
- Beware the Silly Ones: They're always goofing off. However, push the wrong button and they will destroy you, no questions asked.
- Big Badass Rig: A badass truck.
- Blood Knight: When the resident badass loves a good fight.
- Boisterous Bruiser: He's loud, but you should never question his skill in kicking ass.
- Born Winner: That automatically makes you a loser.
- Brave Scot: Heroic Scottish Badass.
- Brawn Hilda: Hilda's Braids of Action alone are more Badass than puny twig-man.
- Brought Down to Badass: Had superpowers, lost them, but even afterwards, they can still kick ass.
- Bullying a Dragon: People make fun of a badass. They occasionally live to regret that decision.
- Canis Major: A dog, fox or wolf several times larger than normal, and capable of kicking several times more ass.
- The Captain: Who has the balls to run the coolest Cool Ship? (or The Squad)? This guy, of course.
- Chef of Iron: A chef who is also proficient in combat.
- Colonel Badass: Leads their troops in being badass by being one as well.
- Combat Medic: He/she might be a healer, but you'd be wrong if you think you can take them down first.
- Deadly Doctor: Can cause the same hideous agony they usually cure.
- Diagnosis from Dr. Badass: Will tell you in deep detail just how badly they're beating you while doing so.
- Commanding Coolness: Same badassery with a naval twist.
- Contralto Of Danger: Deep voices make women sound Badass.
- Cool Shades: A traditional visual accessory of a badass.
- Cowardly Lion: They may be cowardly, but when the going gets tough, they'll kick your ass.
- The So-Called Coward: They're faking.
- Cowboy: The standard-issue badass in The Western.
- Cowboy Cop: Badass with a badge who bends the rules to protect the society.
- Cultured Badass: Enjoys the finer things in life and beating the tar out of foes with their fancy cane.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: A badass wipes the floor with his/her opposition.
- Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass: Acts like an idiot or non badass, either on purpose or not, but it's just to hide how capable they are at wreaking their opponents.
- Dare to Be Badass: When someone decides to quit being normal and be a badass instead.
- Dark Action Girl: She's evil and she kicks ass.
- Determinator: He doesn't give up. Ever.
- Plucky Girl: Neither does she.
- Dying Moment of Awesome: How a badass dies.
- Died Standing Up: An alternative to the above.
- Dynamic Entry: How a badass says hello.
- Big Damn Heroes: When they arrive Just in Time.
- Ear Notch: Badasses with big ears have the scars to prove it.
- Epic Battle Boredom: Mowing down waves of bad guys.
- Everythings Better With Dinosaurs: These reptiles ruled the world once by kicking the asses of anyone who got in their way.
- Eyepatch of Power: A great way for a badass to say "even with one eye, I'm still gonna kick your ass."
- Fedora of Asskicking: A great hat to wear when kicking ass.
- Fighting Irish: When the resident Badass happens to be Irish.
- The Fighting Narcissist: A badass who knows just how good looking he really is.
- Fights Like a Normal: Has superpowers, but fights like a Badass Normal.
- Four-Star Badass: Has a general's rank and a long list of wrecked faces to their name.
- Full-Boar Action: This boar with big armour and big tusks is here to kick ass and chew swill. And he's all out of swill.
- Future Badass: That goofy, gawky character from the present day? In the Bad Future, that character's a hardcore badass.
- Good Is Not Soft: Much like Beware the Nice Ones, except they'll just wait for you to piss them off so they can beat you within an inch of your life.
- Had to Be Sharp: These people need to be badass just to survive. They've already seen more action coming of age than most other people ever will.
- Handicapped Badass: Don't mistake them for a cripple or they will crush you with what limbs they still have.
- Blind Weaponmaster: Just because they're blind doesn't mean that they can't kick your ass.
- Heartbroken Badass: You murdered their lover or family. They can and will do the same to you.
- Hero Killer: When this guy gets involved, you might wanna run.
- Heroic Dog: Dogs can be badass, especially when they protect those who are important to them.
- Heroic Dolphin: You won't have to worry about sharks when these Badass Adorable sea mammals are around.
- Historical Badass Upgrade: A historical figure becomes more badass in fiction.
- Hot-Blooded: A badass does everything with overwhelming passion!
- I Just Want to Be Badass: When a non-badass aspires to be one.
- Imperturbable Englishman: Total and utter equanimity in the face of mortal danger - he'll finish his tea, complete The Times crossword puzzle, then hand you your rear end on a silver platter.
- Implacable Man: There's no stopping this guy from coming to you, when you happen to be his/her target.
- The Juggernaut: Literally.
- Instant Awesome Just Add Dragons: Come on, is there anything more badass than a dragon?
- Dragon Knight: Such that they're inspired by the badasse of dragons. Or they may even be one.
- Dragon Rider: ...Someone who rides them, of course.
- Intimidation Demonstration: For when the badass decides to show off their skills before combat.
- Iron Woobie: Their life sucks, but instead of angsting and kicking ass, they go straight to the second part.
- Kicking Ass in All Her Finery: A lady being badass in the most elegant clothes.
- Killer Gorilla: Don't mess with this guy; he'll rip off your arms and beat you into submission with them.
- Killer Robot: Made from metal and just as tough.
- Kung-Fu Jesus: When a Messianic Archetype decides to be badass.
- Lady of Black Magic: Elegant and calm as she destroys you with offensive magic.
- Lady of War: She is known for her grace and poise even while she's cutting you to pieces.
- Lantern Jaw of Justice: That square jaw is the calling card of the one who will make you understand the meaning of the words "You'll pay for your sins."
- Large and in Charge: Size does matter.
- Let's Get Dangerous!: This nobody decides that it's time to show off some badass feats. Watch out.
- Lightning Bruiser: They're strong, fast and tough.
- Like A Badass Out Of Hell: When a badass walks into Hell or a reasonable alternative and leaves with a lot of kicked asses in their wake.
- Little Miss Badass: Short of stature, but not of the ability to make you die horribly for underestimating her.
- Long-Dead Badass: This character was the most badass of their time.
- Macho Masochism: When a badass inflicts injury on him or herself simply to demonstrate how hard s/he is.
- Majorly Awesome: Okay, so they're not a Colonel Badass or a Four-Star Badass. Don't mistake their relative lack of rank for a lack of asskicking.
- Major Injury Underreaction: You ripped off their arm, but they didn't even flinch.
- Mama Bear: Mess with her kids and die. Your choice.
- Master of All: So badass, s/he's badass at EVERYTHING.
- Master Swordsman: Challenge them to a swordfight. Let's see how long you last.
- Memetic Badass: While their actual badass credentials may or may not be justified, their reputation as a badass is considered Off the Scale.
- Mighty Lumberjack: He's a lumberjack and he's badass.
- More Deadly Than the Male: She makes up for her lack of strength by being more ruthless than you and her boyfriend combined.
- Mother Russia Makes You Strong: And it isn't a healthy environment for weaklings.
- Nerves of Steel: Badass under pressure.
- Never Smile at a Crocodile: While sharks prowl the seas, these armored reptiles fill the same niche in freshwater.
- Noble Bird of Prey: Eagles, hawks, falcons and harriers are at the top of their food chains for a reason.
- Noble Wolf: The power to kick ass is a key feature for wolves, especially the noble ones.
- Savage Wolves: Same as Noble Wolf, except it's the Evil Counterpart.
- Nonchalant Dodge: A more badass way of saying "try harder" is to evade an attack without breaking a sweat.
- No-Sell: An even more badass way of saying "try harder" than the Nonchalant Dodge is to take an attack to the gut without even the slightest hint of injury.
- Oh, Crap!: A badass has that effect on bad guys.
- Once Killed a Man with a Noodle Implement: Badass enough to kill someone with strange implements.
- One-Handed Zweihänder: When someone fights wielding a two-handed weapon with one hand, you know you shouldn't mess with them.
- Firing One-Handed: Ditto, with guns.
- One-Man Army: They don't need reinforcements. They are the reinforcements.
- One Riot, One Ranger: When the choice is to send in the army or send in one man, they send in one man. This man.
- Person of Mass Destruction: They are the nuclear bomb.
- Panthera Awesome: Cats are awesome, especially big ones.
- Pint-Sized Powerhouse: They may be small, but they pack quite a punch.
- Pop-Cultured Badass: They kick ass while listening to some rock music after having seen their favorite sitcom.
- Powers Do the Fighting: This guy is so badass he can defeat you with his arms folded. His powers do all the fighting for him.
- Proud Warrior Race Guy: Warrior cultures have been known to produce many badasses in their day and this guy is one of them.
- Ragin' Cajun: What Cajuns become when your face needs wrecking.
- Rated M for Manly: Badass taken Up To Eleven.
- Red Baron: Because every badass needs a nickname to go with the reputation.
- Reluctant Warrior: They don't want to hurt you; that doesn't mean they can't.
- Rescue Reversal: They don't need saving, they'll bail themselves out and save YOU while they're at it.
- Retired Badass: They hung up their asskicking credentials. Doesn't mean they forgot how.
- Rugged Scar: See that guy with the scar? Don't mess with him.
- Scarf of Asskicking: A badass scarf.
- Scary Black Man: This black guy looks like he can kick someone's ass. He can!
- Sealed Badass in a Can: When a badass of some type is temporarily put in some sort of stasis so they can later be unleashed.
- Shut Up, Hannibal!: How a badass hero lets you know that you talk too much.
- Killed Mid-Sentence: Self-explanatory.
- Talk to the Fist: With his fist.
- Shut Up, Kirk!: The badass villain is no longer putting up with your crap.
- Silk Hiding Steel: She is cool, calm, collected. The perfect proper lady. Don't mess with her.
- Soul Brotha: He's a black man who grooves, who sways, and kicks ass while talking slang.
- Specs of Awesome: A badass pair of glasses.
- Testosterone Poisoning: A parody of Rated M for Manly.
- Threatening Shark: When sharks appear in the water, you know you're in trouble.
- Took a Level in Badass: When a non badass or a minor badass gets better at it.
- Training from Hell: It's not exactly easy learning how to be a badass.
- Tranquil Fury: Being badass while being angry in a calm, ice-cold way.
- Tyrannosaurus Rex: This creature was the apex predator of its day; just imagine what it could do now.
- Ultimate Blacksmith: This guy can turn the most useless junk into a weapon of asskicking.
- Unconscious Objector: When even a fainted guy can still move around and do awesome things for a few moments.
- Underestimating Badassery: When a badass is underestimated by those who should know better.
- Unflinching Walk: They won't even stop to look at how much they just wrecked you.
- Infernal Retaliation: You tried to Kill It with Fire. It works... in reverse.
- Out of the Inferno: Did they just walk through fire? Well, you're screwed.
- Vigilante Man: When the cops aren't fast enough to arrive, the Badass will have to take the law in his own hands.
- Waif-Fu: Petite, yes, but that doesn't stop her from kicking your ass.
- Warrior Prince: He'll lead his people to victory on the front lines.
- We Do the Impossible: They regularly accomplish Impossible Tasks.
- Wooden Ships and Iron Men: To sail aboard a Cool Boat, you have to be tougher than nails.
Plural forms:
- Action Duo: An Action Hero and an Action Survivor team up and kick ass.
- Amazon Brigade: A Badass Crew of Action Girls.
- Back-to-Back Badasses: When two badass characters back each other up. Two badasses are better than one.
- Badass Army: An entire army of badass.
- Badass Crew: An entire team of badass.
- Badass Minds Think Alike: Two badasses go into battle together without any plans at all. They somehow survive.
- Badass Family: An entire family of badasses. Because badass is hereditary.
- Bash Brothers: A pair of action heroes team up and kick ass.
- Lovely Angels: A pair of Action Girls team up and kick ass.
- Battle Couple: Badass Lovers.
- Retired Badass Roundup: For when the Retired Badasses all team up again for One Last Job/to come out of retirement.
- The Spartan Way: When a whole army is made of Training from Hell.
- World of Action Girls: Every girl is badass here.
- World of Badass: An entire world of badasse.
- Adaptational Wimp: In the original work, he's badass. In the adaptation, less so.
- Badass Decay: A badass becomes less so over time.
- Badass in Distress: When a badass is captured somehow. They either really have to be saved, or be able to escape later.
- Badass on Paper: They genuinely did something badass as people said... but it might be not so awesome when you actually witness it. And they would agree.
- Break the Badass: When even the Badass break down sobbing upon meeting a particularly dangerous opponent/situation.
- Broken Ace: Becoming The Ace may break you in the process.
- Mistaken for Badass: Inverse of Hidden Badass.
- No Badass to His Valet: No matter how badass the character is, there is always one person who just isn't intimidated.
- Paper Tiger: Another inverse of Hidden Badass.
- What Measure Is a Non-Badass?: When a badass isn't considered badass enough for the setting in question.
- The Worf Effect: He's supposedly a badass as the work says and yet gets his ass handed to him, sometimes multiple times.
- The Worf Barrage: Inverse of No-Sell to the attacker - a supposedly badass attack is stopped flat like it was nothing.
edited 18th Oct '15 12:35:38 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
The Other Troper
I agree there isn't one true common element. Yet I think that there are plenty of common elements that fit at least some of the tropes.
- I think Hidden Badass is a legitimate concept. Though it may need some definition tweaking and will certainly need a rename.
- Being atypically tough is a related concept. It's not that characters are hiding their toughness from other characters and/or the audience. It's that you just don't expect toughness due to preconceptions. This would include Badass Princess, Badass Preacher, Badass Pacifist, and Kicking Ass in All Her Finery.
- Some of the tropes here fit The Determinator better than badass.
I also think that characters who constantly do things that work because of Rule of Cool can work as a trope, just with a) a clear, distinct name, and b) example context would require explaining multiple actions and why they each fit in rule of cool. This could even fit World of Badass as a Sub-Trope, since it could be about how even though most characters pull off rule of cool actions all the time, these actions still cannot work without rule of cool.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
The Unknown
Why the hell is Almighty Janitor listed there?!? It's only kind of related.
I'm also pretty sure the info blurb for Took a Level in Badass needs to be changed, because it's a Character Development trope that gets a hell of a lot of shoehorning. That blurb does not help at all as written.
edited 18th Oct '15 1:27:48 AM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
The Other Troper
Plus that's yet another trope that needs renaming (and not just to swap out "badass").
@1369: Great points! I completely agree with you. I think we should try arranging these tropes into groups, by their meaning — that'd help to find which supertropes they belong to. E.g. I think a lot of those are subtropes of Hidden Badass, which is already an index in itself.
I might give it a try myself later.
By the way, if we decide to keep Badass 2.0 on the main Badass page, maybe we should remove the "subtropes" lists from the main page and put them into the Sandbox?
At the very least, I don't think we can eliminate Badass as a supertrope without replacing it with the supertrope to everything like Badass Normal.
Can we propose different tropes now to be evaluated?
Cause well Badass Princess and its Redirect Warrior Princess is a problem, a Warrior Princess usually has things like leading an army into battle, kicking butt, directing troops, Royals Who Do Something and so on, the spear to Warrior Prince.
The Badass Princess is just a trope about a princess who seemingly isn't an standard Damsel in Distress princess, it might be trope but it certainly is not a Warrior Princess.
Look at say Zelda, Hyrule Warriors Zelda is a real Warrior Princess complete with armor and physically leading the army into battle, other incarnations of Zelda no so much but still have some badass moments.
edited 18th Oct '15 2:47:33 PM by Memers
In the meantime, we should finish creating the fan speak page. I like the second version of the introduction paragraph in the fanspeak page. I also don't have a problem with putting "Badass as fighter" at the top of the definition list.
Does anyone else have anything to add or change?