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Have a question about tropes, the content, or how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help. If you're looking for a trope, head over to Trope Finder. If you want to propose a new trope, pitch it to the masses at You Know, That Thing Where
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0 Sep 4th, 2016 at 3:03PMFilm
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When writing a page that does not need to go through the Trope Launch Pad (so a page that is not a trope and is not in the Main/ namespace) but that you feel you cannot complete in one edit, or when writing up entries for certain special pages that require repeat editing and consensus (such as the Pantheon entries), you will make a sandbox. It's a namespace that basically says "WORK IN PROGRESS", and so the page will not be deleted if it is too stub-by for the main site. To create one, you simply use the namespace Sandbox/ instead of Main, Creator, Trivia, etc. and begin to edit. -
What about ones for trope pantheon entires? Do they need to go through some approval process or do they not?
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2 Sep 4th, 2016 at 12:12PMKorodzik calls LGBT "sexual deviancy" in the second thread of this discussion page. That's not kosher, is it?
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6 Aug 31st, 2016 at 6:06PMI'm not sure about these pages: FanFic.Fresh Pretty Cure Variations, Fanfic.Heartcatch Pretty Cure Variations, and FanFic.Pretty Cure All Stars. All three pages are little more than listings for a number of fics with maybe a few examples from them, most of which are ZC Es. Are these kinds of pages kosher? [ETA] Found this: Characters.Pretty Cure Fan Fics. It's serving as an index, but it uses an improper namespace and lacks a main page to go with it.
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... I have no idea what they are. Best I can tell, it's lumping together unrelated fanfics with a similar vaguely defined premise onto a single page? Which I guess is good, since individually each one of them would be a stub. But yeah, that's just... strange. -
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So there's a pseudo index for a bunch of pages which each lump together different kinds of fanfics about Pretty Cure. If none of the fanfics have their own pages and there are no legitimate descriptions or examples, kill it all. EDIT: I've checked out all those pages, they're all perfectly fine — if not better than quite a few pages on this wiki (barring the occasional red link); I don't understand what your concern was. They're good. (And yes, the characters one is an index of character pages, which I have seen in other media though not protocol. Might want a move) -
There's examples that contain inadequate text to explain the trope. Those are ZC Es, which need to be expanded or commented out. Was that Five Man Band example on Fanfic.Fresh Pretty Cure Variations run through the thread? -
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I'll comment out the ZC Es (though I'm sure ~The Nerf Guy would be able to add some context?), and Five-Man Band.
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0 Sep 4th, 2016 at 1:01PMLive Action TVSorry, I couldn't resist, given the general title structure. Anyway, I was thinking of making a page for The American Experience, a PBS history documentary series. Would it belong in Series, or Useful Notes? I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, especially since I'm seeing not a lot of tropes, if any, on a potential page, but I just want to make sure.
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0 Sep 4th, 2016 at 1:01PMCASC Hero's edits have some problems to them. Namely, I found ZC Es, Example Indentation in Trope Lists, Wordcruft, violations of Examples Are Not Recent, and Natter. I also found grammar issues.
Specific example of natter. Specific examples of indentation issues. And specific example of grammar.
I've already fixed a few problems, but many are still there. They've been messaged already, too, but no response yet.
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4 Sep 4th, 2016 at 12:12PMIs Monogender Monsters just a monster-specific version of One-Gender Race?
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Seems to be the case though some examples are maybe shoehorned as they're technically not monsters. -
So, should they be separate tropes? Are there any other tropes that split them into human(oid) and monster versions? -
Not sure on whether they be separate tropes or not since Monogender Monsters seems like a subtrope for One-Gender Race. There are a number of tropes that split between versions. To name a few: Edit: If you're asking about different versions of One-Gender Race, not sure though. -
Due to Men Are the Expendable Gender, female humanoid monsters not being shown is pretty common in works of fiction. Of course, this usually only applies to humanoids as mentioned before, basically What Measure Is a Non-Human?.
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1 Sep 4th, 2016 at 12:12PMNote do not overuse for every character who shows mildly antagonistic qualities. For example if the villain has a cutely, overweight sidekick who is a Minion with an F in Evil, then he's probably a Fat Idiot instead. Alternatively if the Big Bad is Holly Wood Pudgy, but this is never commented on within the series, then they are not an example. I added it because it seemed like it was being overused to a People Sit In Chairs extent, any thoughts on it?
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Maybe a bit confusing and probably unneeded. A cutely, overweight sidekick who is a Minion with an F in Evil and a Fat Idiot could possibly be also a Fat Bastard depending on their character. Holly Wood Pudgy from what I can understand from a brief look on the trope refers to normal looking actors who are identified as overweight in their works. Kinda confusing in this regard. Don't think the trope being overused is really a problem. Edit: Don't think it's a People Sit on Chairs situation since it's in the same vein as Large and in Charge and other similar tropes.
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0 Sep 4th, 2016 at 12:12PMI'm not sure if it's okay to ask this since it's somewhat revisiting a problem that's kinda been solved but I kinda have some questions about reviews since the related problem still bugging me to an extent.
- Is there a more in-depth rule guideline for reviews available for tropers to know what is and what isn't acceptable? The about reviews gives a brief gist but doesn't exactly go into full detail for stuff like the next questions.
- Is it okay to change the title and content of one's review to something completely different? Say somebody wrote a positive review about a work they initially like. However later on, they discover things they don't like about the work. As a result, rather than write a new separate review, they completely rewrite their positive review to a negative one that's completely different in title and content. Is this okay? The same I guess can be asked also for negative reviews being changed completely to positive ones.
- How does flagging a review work exactly? I flagged a review once and gave a reason however upon closer inspection, certain details don't seem to be clear. Who exactly sees the reason for the flag? Is it just the moderators who see the reason or does the original reviewer also see it?
- In relation to the above two questions. If the original reviewer can see the reason for the flag, is it okay to change their review to something completely else? In what could be interpreted as an attempt to escape the flag, is it okay to do this? If they do this, can moderators do something like inspect the histories of reviews to verify if flag reasons are legit or not?
- Is there a more in-depth rule guideline for reviews available for tropers to know what is and what isn't acceptable? The about reviews
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1 Sep 4th, 2016 at 7:07AMMusicDoes it seems fitting to you that Dean Martin is in the Music/ namespace rather than Creator/? The content of the page seems more to be about his career than his music. And I'd say it suffers from too much troping a real-life person, too.
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this seems something that could be brought up in the forums; I've personally seen many pages for actor-singers in Music/ who I'd say were more suited to Creator/, but since they are musicians as well as actors I didn't see a need to change them. Because of the content issue you mention, though, perhaps it would be an idea to start a thread
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2 Sep 4th, 2016 at 7:07AMWestern AnimationGetting Crap Past the Radar: Lots of it. A lot of people who remember this show even have said how perverted it was for a kids' show (and was the reason why the show didn't last in America). The worst part about this is, at one point, when the show was available On Demand, it was shown on PBS Sprout (home to safe, inoffensive kids' shows, some of which have educational value). And one of the episodes that was on demand on that channel was the one where Frank goes catatonic when he sees Tony's girlfriend changing in front of him. That is like putting Family Guy on Nick Jr! Do you think the description above would shpw that Three Friends and Jerry would have been more suitable for Comedy Centrap or Adult Swim rather than PBS KIDS Sprout?
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Courtesy link: The Three Friends And Jerry
I honestly don't understand what you are asking. Are you proposing the above change to the page? If so, what channel you think it should have appeared on is your opinion and speculation and largely irrelevant. The statement that it was not a good fit for the channel it was on is enough. -
I think, from the phrasing of the question, that it's asking for the purpose of something outside of the wiki (and trying to use the wiki for evidence). I'm not familiar with the show, so I can't answer.
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2 Sep 3rd, 2016 at 2:02PMApologies if I've miscategorized this somehow; I've been a member for some years but have only recently gotten into this portion of things. Anyway, if I want to add a page for a fanfiction series (consisting of four fics) written by a single author, do I need to have moderator approval? Also, in the event that I get the go-ahead, would all the stories in the series fall under the same page, or should they be separated into different pages? Each of the ones I'm speaking of are fairly long and tell their own story, with subsequent ones being sequels that reference the previous ones heavily. Thanks for your time.
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1 Sep 4th, 2016 at 5:05AMI've been having an disagreement with another troper regarding these two tropes. Just want to clarify. If there's a villain who is the main antagonist for one season do they qualify as Big Bad of that season? The other troper keeps saying they only count as Arc Villain, and they need to last longer than one season to count as Big Bad. Even though I've seen countless pages which lists a "Big Bad of a season". Thoughts?
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They're both. In theory, Arc Villain is the villain for a single arc while the Big Bad is the conflict causing villain. They are not mutually exclusive. The problem is that some tropers don't see it that way and thus list Big Bad as an overall villain for the whole series. That's why I made Overarching Villain. I've also seen Arc Villain used for villains that are the Big Bad for one arc and recurring villains else where. That is misuse. If you see those, please remove them.
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1 Sep 4th, 2016 at 5:05AMLive Action TVIt was a show in the early 2000's maybe late 90's? And I'm pretty sure it came on one of the family channels like Fox or ABC. And the story was about this Teenage boy and he had a Teenage girl sidekick. And the 2 of them travel to this other dimension/reality/world. And in this other world the Boys father is kinda of famous. And the boy in this other world has powers to shift his hands into weapons. And he has to fight the authorities of this other world and he's trying to find out what happened to his father. Any help would be much appreciated. Trying to remember the name of this show has been gnawing at my brain.
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The best place to ask is in You Know That Show, which is dedicated to answering questions like this.
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6 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 11:11PMA couple months ago, a user named captainpat (who, as far as I know, isn't a moderator, but tends to act as though he is) edited Ronda Rousey to remove all tropes related to her sports career and added a hidden message to the page demanding that her career not be troped. However, I just recently found Tom Brady, which is about nothing besides Brady's sports career. So I guess my question is what are the rules on troping a sport figure's career, if there are any official ones at all?
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We don't trope people anymore, but I know pro-wrestlers get it away with it because they are playing a persona and their fights follow a structured narrative, so I guess it would depend on just how much the sport she competes in has a pre-written narrative and whether the persona she uses to fight is a definite part to be played and how much is just her. I'm guessing that if it probably does not rise to the level found in wrestling then adding the tropes would not be on. -
With Brady in particular, can we... suspend this discussion for another four weeks? It's not deflating the quality of this wiki. (Sorry. Had to.) -
^^Ronda Rousey is a mixed martial artist, not a professional wrestler. I'm not a fan of the sport but to the best of my knowledge there is no narrative, just people beating each other up for other peoples amusement. So it strikes me correct that it all got cut. Tom Brady's page should probably also be cleaned up for the same reason. -
Alright, given the response I've gotten in this thread I've cutlisted Tom Brady. -
I'm not sure cutlisting the Tom Brady article is the answer; according to the existing page he has made media appearances, even if they were Adam Westing roles, so a Creator's page is valid. Just it can only contain tropes related to his performances. Hide or delete the trope list as far as it pertains to his sport's career, perhaps, but cutlisting seems a bit far. -
Cleanup, not cutlisting, is generally preferred.
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6 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 11:11PMVideogameHowever, I feel this needs its own. Marth of the Moon's edit reasons are getting rather inappropriate here on the page. "Oh you motherfucker" and "Quite the Determinator for your shitposting, aren't you?" are extremely rude and uncalled for.
I will note that the entry he reported is reported for a good reason, it's clearly somebody shoehorning their site in for some form of advertisement of a crack pairing. That in itself is a problem(and that particular tumblr is now attacking the user I'm reporting too, which is exporting drama). However, the fact that Marth of the Moon is being this rude is the entire reason for the pointless drama in the first place. That is not to say that Globplumber(and apparently is a ban evader of someone?) is not a problem regardless.
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ughhh y'know, i think my brother may be in cahoots with this whole thing too. i asked him about it and apparently while i was out he decided to make a new account just to wipe the whole page clean this really is a mess but the whole situation is kind of making me wonder why there's a crack pairing page for super smash bros to begin with -
It's a very popular crossover series. Makes sense it has its own subpage for it. The only mess really seems to be two users, but a lot of the edit reasons need work/civility to 'em. -
^^ Uh, ok, are you able to secure your computer so your brother can't access it? Otherwise he's very likely going to get you IP-banned. -
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^^ i've changed my computer's password. i could try making another desktop account, too, but honestly i wouldn't mind taking an IP ban since it's my fault for forgetting to lock my computer begin with ^ that was me, his account would be user katsuchan regardless the problem is about user marthofthemoon here. globplumber definitely ISN'T a ban evader (a quick tumblr search says this is the first they've talked about editing a TV tropes page) but something makes me doubt they're a shitposter either. i'm going to uphold my suggestion to leave the two of them off with a warning.... and zap katsuchan, too -
Handed out suspensions to Marth Of The Moon, katsuchan, and Globplumber for their behavior on the page.
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3 Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:08PMWestern AnimationI just started an Image Pickin' page for Kung Fu Panda 3. The link is on the front page of the work, but it tells me that the thread is closed. We're having an edit war right now and I think there should just be a fair vote on it since one guy is hellbent on a poster I think is unfitting and I'm hellbent on a poster I think actually fits the film. How does the thread open?
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Just stop warring and sit back and wait for a mod to open the discussion. Although I hate to break it to you but my gut instinct is that the vote will fall with the American poster, if a mod just doesn't kill the thread with a "current image is fine". -
First, it may be best to link to the page proper. Second, you should not be edit warring regardless. You should've just reported the other user, after pulling the image with a note to bring it to the Image Picking topic. When that topic would open, the debate can continue there. -
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1 Sep 3rd, 2016 at 12:12PMRequesting a mod revert on Stressed Eric'', where all zero context examples were uncommented without adding proper context.
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7 Aug 24th, 2016 at 8:08PMThe Nohrian Dark Knight is shoehorning tropes like WTH, Casting Agency? on YMMV.Fire Emblem Fates to complain about the game's voice acting (specifically how a young make character is voiced by a woman, despite how that's a common industry practice). A while back he tried to use They Just Didn't Care (when it was still YMMV) for similar reasons, even though his particular grievance was an objectively wrong use of that trope.
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Said user also tried to start up complaining tropes in the Trope Launch Pad. Both were discarded. Anyways, will bring in that user for a little talk. -
May I delete his most recent addition to the Fates YMMV page? -
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Looks Like TheNohrianDarkKnight added the Fire Emblem Fates voice acting thing to the Horrible Voice Acting page. Now, I know that page is in Darth Wiki, but the entire entry itself feels like it violates the "If you are going to list someone, be sure that your entry isn't essentially boiling under "He/She's an English dub voice actor, therefore he/she sucks" or "Complaining about English dubs you don't like" rule.
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That is odd since The Nohrian Dark Knight himself notes that the problem with the voice that it didn't matched the Japanese VA. Not that the person who performed it was bad. I also didn't even now that page existed. -
Would it be okay to delete that entry? Again, I know it's Darth Wiki, but that entry clearly violates the rule that says to not put "Complaining about English dubs you don't like." And also attempting to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care without a citation. -
For fuck's sake, did he not get the hint the first time?
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1 Sep 3rd, 2016 at 12:12PMi `m desperate ...I`m trying to remember the name of tv show i watched many years ago maybe 10 i`m not sure.. So there is what I remember : It was about a boy and girl (skaters) who are ffriends.The girl has a problem with her heart,and the boy decide to gave her his own.. Maybe at the end ,she falls inlove with some other guy,but here heart starts to pain... she stand next to the boy grave and hold a neklace and a raven sounds.. Sorry for my bad english but i`ll be aprreciate if you gyus help me.. T
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3 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 1:01PMFilmThe blind man is listed as a Karma Houdini due to the fact that he survives. However, I was told that any amount of punishment averts that trope. He still gets robbed of $ 300,000, loses his chance to have a new child, and gets hospitalized. True, he does not get arrested for murder or kidnapping, but he still loses his money and gets beat up. The protagonist does not seem happy to learn that he survived.[[/spoiler Does the work have to actually treat something as a fitting punishment for this trope to be averted, or can any punishment do it even if the characters believe that they deserved more?
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Added spoiler tags, seriously, the movie has barely been out a week.
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3 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 8:08PMVideogameThere's a Tumblr shitposter on the loose in the Crack Pairing page for Smash Bros. They're shoehorning Luigi x Dedede for no other reason than to be a prick. This is their tumblr page. Forgive my coarse language, but can you ban this motherfucker? Thank you.
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you do realize this is a crack ship page, right? luigi/dedede IS a genuine ship on parts of the internet (i've seen things i really didn't want to), but it mostly just seems like they're a little unfamiliar with TV tropes formatting. there was a genuine troll who wiped the whole page for a few minutes, but i don't think they're related... i'd leave them off with a warning -
Alright. That seems like a fair compromise. We can keep the ship on the page, but with proper formatting and some actual context of why it's popular (even if it Makes As Much Sense In Context). Hopefully that Tumblr user will be satisfied by this. Also, I noticed that I'm on their page now! Hi, Tumblr! -
Little tip for the future: Using personal attacks is not generally considered proper form for reporting a problem user. In fact, it's more likely to make the mods start scrutinizing you instead. Stick to the facts next time. Edit: Also, there's the issue of your insulting edit reasons, as detailed in the other thread about you. AND it appears you may be importing tumblr drama? Stones and glass houses here...
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2 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 2:02PMSomeone removed almost all of the links on the Funny page for The Emperor's New Groove, claiming them to be sinkholes. Do you agree with that troper, and if so, should we remove the links from ALL the pages?
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In my opinion some of them did need to go. From looking at the history a number of those quotes were basically unnecessary all blue entries which can be cut back. However my suspicion is that they are (incorrectly) referencing the 'no potholes in page quotes' rule that only applies to the quote at the top of the work or trope page. -
Note: All-Blue Entry is not kosher. They need to be repaired as detected.
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1 Sep 2nd, 2016 at 4:04PMIf an example has already been taken to discussion and people agree that it is not an example do I need to bring it up in discussion again before taking it away? Specifically Faith and Buffy have been added again to Tomboy and Girly Girl.
