• 1 May 26th, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th May, 2017 01:43:40 AM
    Vovka's edits might need a check, they removed some examples without edit reasons and no obvious reasoning (eg here, here and here) Reply
  • 1 May 26th, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 27th May, 2017 01:41:56 AM
    Blazer has some odd edits scattered through out their edit history. I discovered them when cleaning up a bad edit to Earth Defense Force 2025. Edit history link for courtesy. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Blazer

    Namely they seem to have an issue with adhering to the trope definitions in general for some tropes. After finishing related clean up for EDF 2025 and its follow up 4.1 release I checked some of their other edits and found some issues. There are likely more than the four I stopped with.

    Here are some of their more questionable edits.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.EarthDefenseForce2025 His entry here has nothing to do with being Hoist by His Own Petard.

    • Hoist by Their Own Petard: The Shield Bearer deflector shields are powerful enough to withstand numerous projectile weapons... but forgot to protect it from normal humans who can run only a few miles an hour.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=HoistByHisOwnPetard.AnimeAndManga His entry on Hoist by His Own Petard seems like it leads it up the trope being properly used but stops short of the point where it is explained.

    • Team Rocket's been hit with things like this from time to time. In one instance, at the end of the Johto arc, they capture Pikachu using a massive magnet, causing him to fall ill and begin to dangerously overcharge. In the very first episode of the Hoenn arc, they capture the ill Pikachu again, using a machine to absorb Pikachu's electricity, not knowing that all they've done is helped him release the excess electricity he had built up that they caused.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GirlPowered The entry for Girl Powered is a bit of an odd mess with rambling cruft and doesn't exactly get to the point or really explain how it fits.

    • While the sole consistent of becoming a Pretty Cure is being a girl, it seems to flip flop on other matters:

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.PortingDisaster It simply does not fit the trope criteria. It was a one off bug that was fixed inside of a month. Also according to the entry they put up it was supposedly a superior example to the consoles.

  • 1 May 27th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th May, 2017 01:36:05 AM
    So I decided to make a trope page for the My Hero Academia fanfic Yesterday Upon The Stair, but I messed up and just put it on the Fan Works Page. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanWorks/MyHeroAcademia I require assistance to fix this blunder. Thank you. Reply
  • 4 May 26th, 2017 at 1:01AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 11:55:27 PM
    I've been thinking about starting off a Just For Fun page for tropers to create their own fight intros in the style of Netherrealm fighting games. They can be for characters from Mortal Kombat, Injustice or anything you want. Would anyone like this idea? Reply

      I'm not entirely sure that's what Just for Fun is for.

      That would be better in Forum Games. It's not really what the Just For Fun namespace is for.

      Thank you. I'll try and find Forum Games.

      It's here. :)
  • 7 May 26th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 11:53:52 PM
    There is a YMMV tag on a trope in Endless Space 2 that doesn't belong. It is a given fact in the game, and not a YMMV, and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. Reply

      Reading the page, the example in question is an Inferred Holocaust pothole in " all of whom suddenly disappear, presumably being rendered down into their genetic material." Is this a correct in-universe example?

      Looks to me like an incorrect use of Inferred Holocaust. It's an ending trope, but it's being used to describe a game mechanic. It's not an In-Universe example where someone in the story comes to the conclusion about horrible unstated consequences resulting from the end of a story. There might be an appropriate trope to use, but Inferred Holocaust isn't it.

      That's acceptable. I'll fix it, but I just knew it was wrong. Is there a way to delete or add that tag though?

      You can use In-Universe or [[invoked]] to get rid of the YMMV marker. That is, if it is actually In-Universe and not based on audience perceptions or reactions.

      If you want to Pot Hole a YMMV trope on a non-YMMV page, I wouldn't do that whether it's In-Universe or not.

      I'm not trying to disguise anything, but I'm working on the Endless X pages and will be, and just wanted to know how to mark it up as I proceed.

      Basically how it works is the bullet is replaced with the scales if the first trope after the bullet doesn't belong on the page (unless In-Universe or [[invoked]] is used like supergod said), even if the trope is just being used as part of an example description. I've found YMMV Pot Holes are almost always incorrect in example descriptions anyway, and getting rid of them to make it plain text is fine.

      The hard and fast rule is NO YMMV items on the main page. That includes potholes.

      Part of the reason is such potholes are often used for editorializing in objective tropes.
  • 1 May 26th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 11:46:25 PM
    What is that kids show with the bit who I believe has blue hair,he had a white dog and this red car that had a giant robotic hand in the back that was white Reply
  • 6 May 24th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 07:24:42 AM
    So, I was browsing tropes and noticed we had a trope called Creator's Pest. Looking into it I discovered the polar opposite of Creator's Favorite; a character the creators/writers of the show absolutely loathe for one reason or another. This got me thinking... Do we have a trope for the polar opposite of Creator's Pet? Where a character is universally loved by the fanbase but utterly despised by the writing staff for one reason or another. If not, do you think such a topic could be a trope of its own? Or is it too specific to be a trope?

    The reason I'm asking here instead of trope finder is to see if people think it's worthy of being put into the Trope Launch Pad. Off the top of my head, I can actually think of two such examples of this kind of scenario but that's about it. I feel like there are far more examples out there that I'm simply not aware of so... I don't know.

    Thoughts? Reply

      Seem highly flamable.

      ^What she said.

      Not necessarily, as it doesn't involve negative audience reactions. And negative audience reactions are what makes things Flame Bait.

      Yeah. It wouldn't be flammable in my opinion since it isn't a negative audience reaction.

      The only real problem I can see this trope experiencing is people using this trope to complain about their favorite characters not having enough screentime but that can easily be stopped with a disclaimer against that and/or limiting to cases where the writers/creator outright admit they hate a character in the series because of how popular they became with the fanbase.

      I think it's flamable since the potential of hate speech toward show's staff is much greater than Creator's Pet. It's easier (and sometime it's actually a wise move) to ignore something you hate (So what if the director love that character? You stop giving a damn about them long ago), you just can't ignore something you love (so the chance of attacking staff is much greater).

      Geez, I don't dwell there, but from what I seen in Creator's Pet, the negative bit isn't just "this character get too much screentime" - it's usually accompany with "...comparing to other more likable characters". Now imagine we give a page that allow people to focus on the latter, it would get dark (or darth) fast.

      What she said. I also see a high potential of shoehorning because someone likes/hates something That Much, and anyone who doesn't is a stinky bag of poo. (/slight snark)
  • 4 Apr 14th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 07:20:51 AM
    EDIT: Never mind. I looked at it again and the page mentioned as not cutworthy is a duplicate in someone's sandbox and an index that just copies the title. However, the proper page does need to be indexed.

    Manny 20444 cutlisted Wolverine And The X Men Future X Men and Wolverine And The X Men The X Men. The former is totally cutworthy (no info and unindexed). However, his reason for the other page is anything but kosher. According to him, the page "has too many red links" when it has exactly two (which are the result of forgetting to use escape markup on "McCoy". I've fixed them. The page has no issues at all as of now. Should I pm him or something?


      Yes, definitely. Abusing the cutlist is bad because a tired moderator could put it through when it wasn't supposed to go.

      Thank you for the info, but it's already been dealt with to the point where a PM from me would be redundant. Happy Easter :-)

      Wait, I am sorry. Please do not pm me.

      Just be very careful about what you nominate for the cutlist.

      There are many other ways to handle problems. Text Formatting Rules explains escape markup, among other things.

      We also want red links of works not restricted under Content Policy (with proper namespacing) so that when someone creates the page, the links are ready to go.
  • 4 May 21st, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 07:12:40 AM
    Is there a way to suggest the creation of redirects for certain trope pages, for instance if you want to create a redirect with Commonwealth spelling for a trope named with American spelling? Reply

      Ask the mods to create it in the locked pages thread

      However, we do not create redirects for U.S. vs. Commonwealth spellings; that is one thing specifically called out in the policy pages. Redirects are never to be used in example lists and should not be indexed, so what's the point?

      Trope redirects are created for one thing and one thing only: searchability. Someone looking for a concept under a name different than what our trope is titled should be able to find it with relative ease. If you type in a term and our article is a top hit (or you search on the site and get the right trope), then there's no need for a redirect for that term. As far as I know, all search engines accept both U.S. and Commonwealth spellings for common words, so there should never be a need for such a redirect.

      This applies to plurals too, right?

      Yep. The Locked Pages thread has seen multiple turn downs from multiple mods denying the creation of redirects.
  • 5 May 26th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 06:48:29 AM
    Recently, i removed a Well-Intentioned Extremist example in Sleeping Beauty listing the three fairies as examples with "they are not villains" as edit reason. annette12(the original poster of the example) put this again with " so why Elsa's parents from Frozen are this? They are not villains either" as edit reason. Reply

      Using another false example as a reason to re-add a false example. I don't think that's kosher. Regardless, I'll go remove the false example on Frozen to remove that excuse. I'll also try notifying that troper.

      In any case, going by the extended history, Tropers.Annette12 was the one who originally added the example prior to you deleting it.

      Elsa's parents are not villains in any way. If they are listed as this Trope on the Frozen page, it should be removed there too. It is a villain Trope.

      And the villain or not question aside: the Fairies aren't even extremists so qualify even less. They give Aurora a happy life / childhood (unlike Elsa and Anna, who have a painful childhood). So yeah, they don't understand the Trope.

      I removed the Well-Intentioned Extremist example from the Frozen subpage.

      Well-Intentioned Extremist is also not a YMMV trope, so it can't be added to YMMV pages anyway.

      ^ Had overlooked your post before I posted mine. Thanks for cleaning that up.

      I didn't originally write that Well-Intentioned Extremist entry. I only changed the trope (I don't know if you have seen it in the edit story), because another user used this as an example of The Fair Folk which is about evil fairies and they clearly are not.

      Since it was also used (not by me) for other non-villainous characters on other pages, I thought it wasn't exclusively a villain trope, that's why I re-added it.

      Edit: I have removed the example
  • 2 May 26th, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 06:27:29 AM
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=js4ja8cgdqwvcqpkohxdjqqs Reply
  • 1 May 26th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Western Animation
    Lastest Reply: 26th May, 2017 05:57:14 AM
    Can't find this tv/movie anywhere but it would be old around 90's early 00's a 2d cartoon about a kid and we think he lives in like a dome or something and there is monster I think, can't exactly remember how it went and no one else seems to remember or can't find anything about it Reply
  • 13 May 24th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 10:01:28 PM
    The page Fire Emblem Awakening Grima And The Grimleal currently has Spoilers Off because they're a group of late-game antagonists and therefore spoilery by nature. However, one character is given an appearance in the postgame to Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows Of Valentia, which represents a major spoiler for that game. All of the spoilery tropes for the Echoes appearance were added to the Awakening page, and because of the Spoilers Off policy are untagged and unwarned-for. Note that despite being in the same series their stories are otherwise unrelated, so there would be no reason for the unwary to expect Echoes spoilers in the Awakening page.

    When I proposed moving all of the Echoes spoiler tropes to the Echoes character page, I was told that there is an unwritten rule against having multiple character entries for a single character, even if it's for appearances in different works. So I'm asking for an explanation of this unwritten policy, since none of the series' other character pages seem to follow it and might need to be changed, and I'm unsure what we're supposed to do about spoilers like this. Reply

      That sounds to me like an entry for one game in the series is on another game's work page.

      As I understand it, the rule is one character section per work. Sometimes the list of works will be indexed on a series page, and the character sheets linked off the series page rather than the individual works, in which case the tropes for all the works will be on the series character pages.

      Also, if you're moving as opposed to copying, especially to the correct works page, I don't personally see what the problem is.

      Sometimes a franchise has one character page for more than one work, however.

      It would be easier to rewrite the Spoilers Off rule for the characters to state "Awakening spoilers are untagged, Echoes spoilers are tagged" or similar.

      Septimus Heap: Fire Emblem isn't one of those franchises (except for the few cases of direct sequels with the same characters) since most games have entirely different casts with only a few old characters at most.

      bwburke94: That could be, except that we can't put spoilers above the trope line and there's currently a paragraph of introductory description on the Awakening page that describes the character's role in Echoes. I don't mind doing the work of moving them over.

      What I'm asking about is the policy that Karxrida described in the discussion page. Is it a real thing, and if so does it apply to spoilery cases like this? Common sense would say to move the tropes, but I don't want to break a rule by doing so.

      I was under the impression that it was thing because of that MCU character page reorganization from awhile back (I didn't mention it in the discussion because I just remembered it). Or maybe I'm conflating two different continuity situations, which is entirely possible.

      I also didn't think the policy was written down anywhere specific because a bunch of stuff only seems to be clarified by Word of Mod in ATT and not on any defined rules page.

      Anyway, I personally would rather have everything about Grima on one page regards of whether the policy actually exists or not. Spoiler warnings are already plastered on a bunch of Fire Emblem pages (so it becomes a "You Have Been Warned, read at your own risk for fear of seeing anything spoilery" situation) and I don't like the idea of splitting up a single version of a character between two pages.

      I don't really follow. If there's no policy in place, why is it better to force everyone to risk reading spoilers on a game they might not have played than have two entries for two very different depictions of a character? I mean, the Echoes page is already there, and it seems weird to make it the exception to the pattern that almost every other instance of a recurring character in the series follows (FE 7 characters in FE 6, Awakening characters in Fates, Camus/Sirius/Zeke, etc.)

      Clarify for me please: are two works involved, even though there's only one character in the discussion?

      Yes, but the two are are in continuity with each other.

      Each work should have its own characters page, especially if if the characters are treated differently in different works.

      They do have their own pages.

      The issue here is if a specific character should have entries on both pages or just one.

      It might be worth noting that the character is very different in depiction and role between the two works. The two games take place 3000 years apart and have no other story connections other than references to Gaiden (the game that Echoes is a remake of, which does not have Grima) characters as historical figures. I've even seen a few fandom theorists question whether it really is the same character or whether the Echoes one is a prototype.

      It sounds like the works are both part of the same 'verse, but otherwise unconnected. The character should be on both pages, if he appears in both works, with the tropes that apply to him in Work A on the pages for Work A and the tropes that apply to him in Work B on the page for Work B. Tropes that only apply to him in Work A should not be on the character page for Work B.

      Look at it this way: would you put the tropes that apply to Obi-Wan only in the prequels on the character pages for the films in the original trilogy?

      Alright, I've moved the tropes.
  • 2 May 25th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 04:54:29 PM
    I've just found a page that hasn't been indexed: RWBBY Verse Clashof Heroes

    I've never needed to do indexing, so I'm not completely certain what the process is for when coming across an orphaned page. I've read How Indexing Works, but I don't want to dive in and attempt to index the page without checking if there's a reporting process. I'm also not sure where this page should be indexed; it's a fanfiction. Reply

      Main.Fan Fic offers different categories and genres for indexing. For this I'd say FanFic.Crossover is your best starting point.

      That page needs to be moved. The title wasn't created properly. The URL should contain "Of Heroes" not "of Heroes" so it will CamelCase properly.

      Please don't use Custom Titling to fix it. That's not what it's for. :(
  • 2 May 25th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 04:00:03 PM
    Samurai Gal is making edits on pages related to Samurai Jack based on her own personal dislike of the ending. Worse, she's using They Just Didn't Care.

    Her history. Reply

      I was just about to report that but you beat me to it! There's also YMMV.Samurai Jack edits.

      EDIT: It's turned into an Edit War.

      I'll suspend this user.

      However, there's one other account that shares several IP addresses with this user. I'll need to compare that account's history with Samurai Gal's.

      Edit: Both edit histories are not matching up, so it may be unlikely that both are the same; however, we must keep an eye out.
  • 3 May 24th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 02:43:58 PM
    OG Sama included again in Terra Formars one Unfortunate Implications example removed by lack of citations, without include any citations. Reply

      He wrote a completely new one. And put more words behind it.

      Calling them in for a talk.

      And the Unfortunate Implications example was also deleted. Anything else to note here?
  • 1 May 25th, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 11:44:05 AM
    I noticed Lets Race With RPGM added recently but it has factoid blurbs rather than any Trivia-related tropes. Is that encouraged/allowed? Reply

      Factoids that don't fall under any existing Trivia Trope are permitted as long as they are legitimately trivia (it says so on the main Trivia page), but I presume we want at least one Trivia Trope to go along with them.
  • 0 May 25th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Goodnight. I and another troper had a question because of the section Les Yay in Re:CREATORS. Is this the correct use of trope, or is it a poor speculation? I believe that this is very easy, but still true use, while my opponent believes that I see hints in the simple interaction between two girls.

  • 1 May 25th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 09:29:17 AM
    So like im looking the name of this old cartton serie that aired somewhere between late 90's and early 2000's i vaguely remember this mario looking character driving a small green train locomotive named (probably) 'molly' together with a boy and yeah.. I dont remember much else tho i remember the ending the guy and the boy both returned to their island and the boy got his own yellow locomotive Reply
  • 1 May 25th, 2017 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 07:30:19 AM
    HWB has rather severe problems with the English language. Their edits are full of spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, and especially punctuation mistakes, with run-on sentences and entries that do not end with punctuation marks being frequent problems. I've sent them a grammar notifier, but wonder if more drastic action might be needed because of the severity of their issues. Reply

      We'll call them in.
  • 1 May 25th, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 07:28:51 AM
    So, through most of April, this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=RoarkTenjouin guy had been spamming stupid speculation about why Gundam failed in the US all over various pages. Also lots of bashing of SD Gundam Force, likely thanks to a recent Watchmojo vid that listed it as one of the worst anime of all time. It's certainly not perfect but wow, way to be an edgelord over a show that's not in their demographic to begin with.. Reply
  • 5 May 24th, 2017 at 1:01AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 01:58:48 AM
    AthenaBlue is deleting all The One Where stuff from the recap pages of Doctor Who. Based on a ruling for a similar incident for the James Bond flicks, this isn't kosher, is it? There's also been a few back-and-forth restores and cuts between them and Time Lord Victorious. Reply



      So what's going on from the two entries I've read thus far is TimeLordVictorious wrote a different The One Where entry to replace the old one, then AthenaBlue deleted the new one as well.

      Is this Edit War?

      Yep. Both will be summoned for a talk.

      If possible, can a mod restore the The One Where stuff?
  • 13 May 21st, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 01:06:06 AM
    Hello, troper Neromenian's editing has some issues. I have sent him several messages about ZCE (predefined and also a longer message), but I am not sure s/he gets it. Less serious issue is that s/he keeps adding a new example from a book (probably their favourite) on the top of the list on the trope pages. Seems a little like Entry Pimp-ing and somehow it bugs me. And s/he occasionally makes grammar or spelling errors. Thank you, fllo Reply

      1. This has no reason to be a private report.
      2. Please link to a troper's edit history or an article where they caused a problem. It makes it a lot easier to find.

      I'm calling them in for a chat.

      Sorry about that, and I will remember your instructions for the next time.

      I'm bumping this to note that Neromenian is a serial ban evader, old handle Ladyofpayne, and also made Mjcompton to keep editing their article. I cut it, but the related links need to be cleaned up. Thanks for the help.

      Oh, I'm also going to toss their other article for the same reasons. Related links.

      ^So, purge all examples of both works from all pages?

      Yes, please. If someone else wants to do the articles correctly, we'll unlock them.

      Shouldn't those examples be kept as redlinks for someone who eventually wants to make the page, provided they're written correctly?

      Oh dear lord, and I spent so much time on that page commenting out ZCE.

      I had no idea it was a ban evader.

      @Rotpar: Most of the examples are Z Ce and some of them are plain misuse.

      ^^It's a policy we have that's designed to discourage serial ban evaders. It doesn't matter how valid an example is if it was made by a serial ban evader. Fighteer did say we can reinstate them if someone's willing to make the page properly and stay within parameters.

      Ok, wasn't certain if the main goal was to punish ban evading or if policy had changed and Red Linking was no longer allowed.

      When making decisions like this, we look at the following criteria:
      • Has the article been edited for content by anyone other than the ban evader (excluding formatting corrections and the like)?
      • Does the ban evader seem to be attracted to the wiki by the article — that is, do they consistently make new accounts to edit it even though this easily identifies them?

      If a ban evader makes a good edit, another troper can put it back.

      Thing is, it's extremely rare for ban evaders to make good edits.

      The question whether good edits by a ban evader should be kept or not has caused some passionate discussion on Wikipedia as well. My sense is that people can keep or delete depending on what they prefer and how much that ban evader annoys us.
  • 3 May 21st, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 01:02:50 AM

    The guy that created is Roytheshort,I've added it to the cutlist but the stuff he posted on the discussion page (literally the bee movie script,a meme)makes me think hes a troll Reply

      Choppy choppy. No need for this to be private, FYI.

      The script is still on the discussion page

      Deleted it from there.
  • 1 May 24th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th May, 2017 01:02:04 AM
    A bit of spam here Reply