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2 Apr 24th, 2018 at 10:10AM
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0 Apr 24th, 2018 at 8:08AMI know this is a user who seems inactive, but I've noticed that there are some problematic edits for Chizumatic. Specifically, their edit history
shows a lot of natter, and a few instances are filled with techno-babble that are unnecessary for the examples in question (e.g. for the Vividred Operation and High School Fleet pages, to name a few).
The natter has been cleaned up, and I've sent P Ms to them using the system, but I've not heard a response since.
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5 Apr 24th, 2018 at 12:12AMVideoGame.A Hat In Time I noticed that there are quite a few tropes on the page that only pertain to the Alpha and/or Beta builds of the game, but not the final version. Do we keep those on the main page? If so, do we reorganize the page? If no, does it still count as What Could Have Been and merit a spot on the Trivia page?
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Most time there be Folders with one being the beta or alpha version and another dealing with the finished version. -
I'd imagine it would be OK to keep tropes related to public builds. Anything related to unreleased builds would definitely go under What Could Have Been. -
Once a work is released in its final version, the article should reflect the released content, not any pre-release content. That can go into Trivia. -
This reminds me of tropes only applying to early versions of Minecraft, not necessarily being beta or alpha. Those are still around, and I think it's interesting to keep track of past tropes. -
Ao Oni also has several entries that make references to older versions of the game.
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 2:02PMIs Fandom allowed? It's the only page in that namespace that I know of
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Most subpage types are restricted to works in any case, and are not allowed for tropes or indexes. Laconic is the only exception that comes to mind offhand, although there may be others. A hard split of an overly long trope page will also result in valid subpages, but those are different animals, and that doesn't appear to be what happened here.
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3 Apr 24th, 2018 at 5:05AMVideogame
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Wow, this has been coming up a lot recently. This is a collaborative wiki and as such is equivalent to Wikipedia for referencing. Which is to say, for most scholarly works it is not a good source. If you used it anyways attribution should go to tvtropes.org. -
Well, thanks for you answer. I thought that too, but had hope for another answer. Do you know some places where I can find pinpointed Information about Metagame? -
The best information would normally exist on http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.Metagame&more=t
However, since tvtropes is a collaborative work trope pages generally can't be associated to a single user. That is doubly true of example lists. And it looks like metagame was originally created before the great crash so the history doesn't go back to its creation.
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0 Apr 24th, 2018 at 6:06AMPrint ComicI have made some edits in The Ultimates at the entry on Nick Fury (for those unfamiliar, the Nick Fury of the MCU is a direct adaptation of this character). I removed some examples and shortened others. First, Nick Fury is not a villain, so "Adaptational Villainy" is completely out of place. Other tropes are filled with complaining, Alternative Character Interpretation and even actual lies (for example, a trope says "he's a self-serving asshole", but his actions, right or wrong, have always been motivated by national or worldwide security, not personal gain). tvtropersuser1 simply restored everything, without even an edit summary, and ignored my request to take things to the discussion page.
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1 Apr 22nd, 2018 at 8:08PMDark Potato has done some rather... meh edits to YMMV.OKKO Lets Be Heroes, including a big spoilered out entry for Catharsis Factor, much smaller but zero context spoilered entries for Evil Is Cool and Fans Prefer the New Her (as well as potholing it to Fans Prefer The New Him), and a good sized but grammar stricken spoilered entry for Evil Is Sexy (and another zero context example for the same trope). They also don't add periods to the ends of their sentences (though they did fix some of them), and they take away the space between the bullet point and the trope name in almost every edit they make. Page's history. And before you ask, I sent them grammar and zero context notifiers.
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1 Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:03AMSo I'm not sure if this is about Chekhov's gunman or gun or arsenal or whatever. This trope was about an author's ability to create/bring-up details to fit the current story-line or event, like explaining that a character was knitting before so that he is no stranger to embroidery for whatever plot related reason. Oh I'm sorry I opened the thread at the wrong place, I'd be glad if mods would be so kind as to carry this topic to find a trope part, they all looked alike :(
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The best place to ask this type of question is Trope Finder.
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2 Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:01AMSo uh well browsing Kaitou Sentai Lupinranger VS Keisatsu Sentai Patranger. I come across this entry:The PR versions would be a bad adaptation
- It's a repeat from Super Megaforce : they'd somehow managed to turn awesome series into a completely shitty one.
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Maybe? As far as I can tell they are talking about a work that doesn't exist yet. So they aren't complaining about a work that they think is terrible, they are predicting that a work that might someday be made would be terrible. Unnecessarily negative but I wouldn't call it straight complaining. Or are they sneaking a complaint about Super Megaforce onto another works page? If so that isn't cool at all. -
Its comparing it to super megaforce saying it will be as terrible as that. Im not sure how to handle this.
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1 Apr 24th, 2018 at 12:12AMWestern AnimationI saw a movie in early 2000's animated. About a young girl who lives in a village high up in the giant trees of a post apocolyptic forrest and she doesnt listen to her father the cheif and is constantly exploring the forrest... One day she comes across this giant floating mamal with believe fins and she finds out they used the mamals in a war that ended the world but they live forever ... Can anyone help?
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This belongs on You Know That Show.
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1 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:09PMThere's no way to remove pages from the cutlist, right? I put SailorMoon.Tropes Two on there but it'd probably be better to move SailorMoon.Tropes Three to SailorMoon.Tropes Two and cut SailorMoon.Tropes Three. Edit: I just copied and redirected the pages.
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 7:07AM
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It's a little bit of a stub, there is a Most Annoying Sound sinkhole at the bottom, and most of the examples look like Zero Context Examples to me. Should I let Dropkick know that this query exists?
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 6:06PMPrint ComicSo, I noticed that Monica Rambeau had Creator's Pet listed under her YMMV page, but to my knowledge, she has no major hatedom, nor did the entry list any negative reaction towards her. I altered it to Creator's Favorite, which seemed more suitable, but that's a Trivia trope, so I created a trivia page for it. However, now the YMMV tab is redundant - should it be cut? If so, how does one do that? I'm a little confused by the instructions. If I should have consulted others before I made these changes, I apologize.
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You can list the YMMV page on the Cut List, with a reason something like "The only item is Trivia, not YMMV. It has been copied to the Trivia page." -
Okay, thanks!
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 10:10AMLiterature
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ChildrenOfBloodAndBone Go there and start writing.
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Also see How to Create a Works Page.
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7 Apr 22nd, 2018 at 1:01PMRaining Metal keeps on deleting changes to the Xenoblade Chronicles 2 YMMV Page I make, even though they are valid. It is in response to one character that he insists is terrible. Most of the posts that have made are valid, but he insists on deleting what I submit.
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Technically, both of you have already Edit Warred. -
Maybe, but I am trying to be more open minded, while he is insisting that he is the only one right. -
You talk with each other in discussion pages, instead of edit warring. If no consensus is reached, you contact a moderator. You DO NOT edit war. -
The parties involved have been called in. -
I have noticed from experience that Raining Metal does like to bait others, so this feels more like an unfortunate case for the other user at this point. Not that it justifies what they did, but something that is worth noting. -
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Oh, I don't think that. Just his history in general.
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13 Apr 21st, 2018 at 1:01PMManga.Sailor Moon and Anime.Sailor Moon direct to the same page. However, wouldn't it be more fitting to make them into their own pages? There's already a Franchise.Sailor Moon after all. The anime and manga have a lot of differences (thus why Anime.Sailor Moon Crystal exists).
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Manga.Yu Gi Oh and Anime.Yu Gi Oh do that. I say go for it! -
Since there are multiple Sailor Moon anime, Anime.Sailor Moon should redirect to the Franchise page. -
Or it can be just about the first anime series. The other one has its own name, Sailor Moon Crystal. -
Yu-Gi-Oh also has an example like that, with the Toei anime getting its own page. -
And on the second series page, the first paragraph says that Anime.Yu Gi Oh is incorrect, it should be at Anime.Yu Gi Oh Duel Monsters. -
4000 wicks is a lot of work, but at least a lot of people already use Anime.Sailor Moon, -
Up x2 I think the policy is 'go by how it's dubbed' where the anime is just called YGO. -
Nope, no policy with respect to Dubs Vs Subs. The page says the title is Yu-Gi-Oh: Duel Monsters. Either this is accurate and the page should be moved, or it is inaccurate, and the statement needs to be removed. -
So, yes to a split? Anime.Sailor Moon - 90s anime tropes Manga.Sailor Moon - Manga tropes Anime.Sailor Moon Crystal - Crystal tropes Right? -
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Maybe a Short-term thread should be made, because that's a lot of wicks... -
Just stick it in Administrivia.Wick Namespace Migration, and it'll be done progressively? It's Locked though. -
Huh, I wasn't aware that page existed. I'll mention it in the Locked thread then.
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0 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 4:04PMgarlington41 has a bad habit of Serial Tweaking, and they deleted and re-added a lot of information from One True Love on 9th Mar '18 without leaving any Edit Reasons for doing so, and the way they re-added the information, well, the page doesn't look nearly as neat as it used to before they tampered with it.
This person seems to have just started last month, according to their edit history (see link above), so would it be best if I simply reverted some of their edits in One True Love (mainly the description... it used to look better, but not anymore; there are also a few other entries that they "fixed up", but the formatting isn't neat) and move on? Any advice would be appreciated
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 4:04PMLive Action TVI'm looking for information about a tv show I used to see on PBS overnight (like, 15+ years ago). It was a fake local news tv show. They had a studio set-up, but they claimed they were broadcasting from the 1300's - 1600's AD or something like that. They had "reports" like the local news, and each one was focused on something important like the Crusades, or Joan Of Arc. I remember in one episode they talked about the Black Plague, and showed kids dancing around singing the Pocket Full Of Posies nursery rhyme, claiming it was based on the plague. It was basically historical re-enactment as a news program edutainment.Does anybody remember this show, can tell me what the name of it was, or where to find it online?
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Use You Know That Show. Lock, please.
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9 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 11:11AMOn Gush.New Media, there's an entry that gushes about all the contributors on Channel Awesome, obviously made years before the #ChangeTheChannel movement. I don't have a problem with most of this, except there's a sentence about Justin that's wince-inducing in hindsight considering recent revelations about him. I'm wondering if I can have permission to remove it, as while it is a part of the Sugar Wiki, it can definitely be taken the wrong way. Here's the entry with the parts I want to edit out in bold.After a year of being part of the TGWTG fandom, lurking in the message boards and Lord Kat and JewWario's chats, I am completely blown away; they really are some of the coolest people I've ever met. Spoony is just as lovably geeky and quick-witted live as he is in his videos; Linkara is a fun, sweet guy who honestly appreciates his fans, and Iron Liz is much of the same (and incredibly funny to boot); Nella is a helluva lot of fun; Benzaie is frank, funny, and one of the coolest message board mods ever (seriously, how many mods do you know who break up an argument by making pervy jokes?); Film Brain is a humble kid who's just happy to be part of the fun, and honestly respects and looks up to his co-workers; LordKat and RolloT are two of the most hilarious guys you will ever hear from—and LordKat is fiercely defensive of the people he cares about; Nash is the very personification of Geeky Turn-On (just get him talking about Doctor Who and you'll see what I mean), and Jew Wario is just the sweetest, most genuine person you will ever meet. So thanks, guys, for being yourselves; thanks for being so completely... awesome.
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God, that breaks my heart. -
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Might want to PM the entry's owner, as he'd likely not want to be associate with that anymore. EDIT: You know, I looked at the main page and there's nothing about changing someone else's gush. I assumed like DMOS that entries had to be tagged but... honestly, I don't see anything in the rules against cutting out that (now unequivocally false) statement. -
Yeesh talk about Funny Aneurism Moment. Maybe wait for a Mod to say what you should do. -
The issue with this is that this is an example of Harsher in Hindsight. The entry isn't wrong, it was written a while ago. Unless the entry is factually wrong, which to be fair it wasn't at the time, then maybe let the user know but don't remove it. -
Yeah... After finding out he got booted for several accusations of sexual misconduct that included one straight-up sexual assault of a sleeping girl and was doing this with a wife at home all the entities scattered about the wiki about him basically being Internet Mr Rogers really are uncomfortable and Harsher in Hindsight. His reputation as a saint was so prolific I really think we need a clean-up in general to quietly remove gushing about him and make mentions more neutral out of respect for his victims. Edit: I also second Aegis. I worshipped TGWTG as a teenager and was one of those people that considered the idea of working with them a dream job so seeing so many of them fall over the last few years really has been a Broken Pedestal moment for me. It's heartbreaking. -
Finding the original user is... tricky. The history for the page shows that all the entries were moved from the Web Original page to the New Media page in 2012, just before the Web Original page was cut. The Web Archive shows the entry was added around August 2011, but no one bothered to archive the page history. So I'm pretty sure the identity of the Troper who added that is lost to history. -
I know that Repair, Don't Respond is the rule, but I think this might be an instance where "responding" is the better option. Keep the entry but add a subbullet or footnote explaining the context.
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1 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 2:02AMWeb OriginalI had moved the Takotsubo page from WebOriginal/ from Literature/ on Jan 2017, since this namespace is depreciated and Web Original fictions should be in Literature, as far as I know. I just noticed that, in Mar 2017, troper FuzzyBoots moved it back to WebOriginal/. I'd like to know where to stand over this fact, and exactly what namespace should be used. I'll send a PM to FuzzyBoots toward this thread.
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7 Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:03PMFrom DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.Video Games:
- Overwatch suffers from a variant of this effect. Most of the characters are genuinely good, likable people, and the story places a lot of emphasis on the importance of hope and heroism in a troubled world. But if you set all that aside and examine the story for what it actually is, you'll find something far more grim than the bright colors and fun characters would suggest. The game needed its own Woobie page before it was even six months old. Many of the heroes are defined by the ways in which they’ve failed, and most of them have made no progress toward their goals, and not for lack of trying, either. The villains are likewise not entirely unsympathetic, but they're also directly and unrepentantly responsible for a lot of the world's problems, and they're not doing anything to helpnote . The crux of the problem is that the story initiated itself under pretty dire circumstances, with the titular organization in ruins while its enemies remain at large. The plot could be summarized as "Talon enacts its agenda, and Overwatch rises from its ashes to defend the world", but the glacial rate of progression means the lore has stalled in the "Talon enacts its agenda" stage, leaving the main conflict to become increasingly lopsided as the heroes continue to struggle with no appreciable payoff while some of their most noteworthy accomplishments are outright undone by later developments. Keeping the torch lit during dark times is one of the narrative's core themes, but when the darkness starts eating the torch, it's easy to feel like you're just being strung along.
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Cut. Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy gets misused frequently. -
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What the hell is this entry. It like goes there are plenty of good, sympathetic people there but if you look reaaly deeper than you find stuff that if you looks at a certain way shows its dark. Cut it. -
The Grim Reefer is the one that made this edit. They have made a lot of questionable edits in YMMV and character pages (A few Unfortunate Implications, Nattery posts about tracer, etc). I think someone should talk to them about how they write their texts. -
I asked the pages to be locked so that a thorough cleanup could be done ages ago. The mods never responded. I've started my own cleanup of the most egregious examples, but with Rolling Updates combined with my own extremely busy schedule, that makes things difficult.
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5 Apr 1st, 2018 at 8:08AMLiteratureThis page seems very inappropriately made. The issue of self-promotion aside, it contains many instances of This Troper, use of first person and a fair amount of Natter. Anyone familiar with the work care to do some clean-up?
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I've pared down the "Me! Me! Me!"-saturated introduction as best I can; the YMMV page has been thrown on the cutlist. As for the trope list, that might require someone actually familiar with the book. -
This one's been around for a long time, as the first edit in the history was back in prehistoric 2010. The troper who's been working on this was tracer, and they're still active. PM'ing them here. -
"I've pared down the Me! Me! Me!" You are awesome mlsmithca -
When I first created this page, it wasn't in the "Literature" category. It was in the now-defunct "Troper Works" category. At the time, most Troper Works pages WERE written in first-person, and it wasn't considered inappropriate at all.
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:09AMLive Action TV
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This is a question that would be better served by either the Super Sentai thread on the forums or on the discussion page for Kaitou Sentai Lupinranger VS Keisatsu Sentai Patranger.
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1 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 6:06AMLiteratureI see a lot of bad writing in A Girl Who Brought Down the World, such as misusing the spoiler tags. Are the spoiler tags the only problem that you notice, or does the page itself need a bigger cleanup?
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I see several Zero Context Examples that expect the reader to infer everything from just a character's name.
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2 Apr 23rd, 2018 at 5:05AMI wonder why the Yaoi Fangirl trope has a strange folder between Music and Radio
