• 0 Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:09PM
    11th Feb, 2016 09:25:30 PM
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/DRiavatus the one I've polished up, vs the ye olde unupdatede one-e of yesteryear http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CantrII .

    Just would like to get some more eyes on it, before I update the page. Especially as the game has a lot of adult content slung about, which I've tried to not reference excessively (specifically, characters acting like kids and having lots of sex), while giving potential players fair warning of what's likely to be experienced, but I'm not sure where the bar is, and whether even the light dabs are too much. (Not really a subject I feel comfortable writing about neither, especially due to previous history TV Tropes has had with people..... unpleasant habits about children.).

    Anyway, please have a looksie, and edit or discuss or whatnot if it needs it. Reply
  • 5 Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:08PM
    11th Feb, 2016 08:58:00 PM
    For some reason when I try to build this page the someone started:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadDayLA

    It brings me to YKTTW instead of being able to work on the page when I click edit page. Can this be fixed. Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 09:27:04 PM
      Feature, not a bug. Unless you're trying to create a trope, which you have to submit to YKTTW first, things do not go in the Main namespace.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 09:35:36 PM
      How do I create the page for it then?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 09:52:53 PM
      First, what is Bad Day LA? Game, show, animation? Find the right namespace and create it there. Check out Administrivia.Namespace to figure it out.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 10:04:49 PM
      Nevermind I figured it out.
    • 12th Feb, 2016 01:01:58 AM
      Closing as resolved. Yes, this is a feature. No, work pages do not belong in the Main/ namespace.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:08PM
    11th Feb, 2016 08:48:22 PM
    staticat09 is editing with with the censor plugin on see "Not Making This Up" Disclaimer and Poe's Law Reply
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:08PM
    11th Feb, 2016 08:23:20 PM
    The intro to Faction Paradox is written entirely in first person. Is this allowed? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 08:42:05 PM
      My gut says no, but it sounds like whoever wrote that is making a reference to something within the story, in which case... maybe.

      Can someone familiar with the series shed some light on this: is this a reference to something in the story, or is it just first person for the sake of trying to be a special snowflake?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 09:01:40 PM
      That's taking Self Demonstrating Article a bit too far, I'd say—especially since it's neither a trope nor in the Self Demonstrating namespace, but a Franchise page.
    • 12th Feb, 2016 01:04:07 AM
      Made a quick sandbox page for FP. Note that I haven't converted the examples to third-person, because I'm not familiar enough with the work to attempt conversion.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:08PM
    11th Feb, 2016 08:07:00 PM
    A few weeks ago I removed the Anyone Can Die trope from the The100 page, along with the trope page, because in two seasons only a single main character had died. There had been plenty of Mauve Shirt deaths and nameless extras, and a few people that you didn't expect to die (Young children to avert Infant Immortality and characters that were being set-up as series regulars before their unexpected deaths), but the trope is specifically for when it can be anybody, not just "Lots of people outside of the main cast". Numbers isn't the trope qualifier.

    However, now that a new season has started with even more Mauve Shirt deaths I began to think; a lot of the Mauve Shirt who had died in the earlier seasons (And now) had been around for many episodes, some even for seasons, and had their own important subplots as well. Some have now actually been around for longer than the one main character who did die was given that he bought it in the middle of season two. They're still not main characters, but they're well distinct from the nameless hordes that are killed by the thousands without care.

    Just how many Mauve Shirts do there need to be, or how long do they have to be Mauve Shirts, before their deaths qualify for Anyone Can Die? Does it need to still only with the main cast for the trope to qualify? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 08:36:02 PM
      It applies if even the supposed main characters can conceivably die. Secondary characters dying here and there isn't that unusual.
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 7:07PM
    11th Feb, 2016 07:38:55 PM
    I just joined because I have been a browser of tropes, and ultimately became fedup one of my games didn't have a full page. How exactly does one create main pages? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:49:11 PM
      You put it under VideoGame/GameTitle, so say if you wanted to make a page for Robopon 64, you'd make VideoGame/Robopon64.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:53:06 PM
      Welcome! Check out How To Create A Works Page for info and also use YKTTW to get feedback for your page before you launch it.
  • 0 Feb 11th, 2016 at 7:07PM
    11th Feb, 2016 07:15:47 PM
    mkmlp seems to have some spelling and grammar issues (malapropisms, comma splicing, etc.). I sent some grammar notifiers but would appreciate help cleaning up their edits. Reply
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 6:06PM
    11th Feb, 2016 06:41:32 PM
    It seems that every time i change to a different page, the "Sticky header" function turns off. Is this a bug or is it intentional? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 06:45:24 PM
      It's a bug.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:13:36 PM
      Weird that it's doing this now, when it didn't do it the other day. :/ Must be code weirdness; what fixes one thing unfixes another thing.
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 6:06PM
    11th Feb, 2016 06:23:49 PM
    I've noticed some examples, most recently on Time For Plan B, that include some introductory description, a quote formatted using the -> markup, and then some additional description. However, this seems to break the bulleted list formatting, so that the text following the description starts all the way at the left margin, i.e., to the left of the bullet it supposed to be part of. For example:
    • Warehouse 13 has:
      Myka: Okay, what do we do now? Pete: Plan B. Myka: What's Plan B? Pete: I was hoping you knew.
    After Pete actually comes up with a Plan B, this is quickly followed by:
    Myka: I think we should go with Plan C. Pete: Okay, what's Plan C? Myka: I run away and you get pummeled.

    Is there a way to format this properly so that text following a quote lines up with rest of the entry? Or are examples always supposed to be written so that the quote is at the end? I didn't see any mention either way in Example Indentation In Trope Lists, so I'm not sure how to fix these examples when I come across them. Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:59:40 PM
      This is a reported bug with the new design. The previous way to indent lines is currently broken, leading to a lot of weirdness throughout the wiki.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 08:57:41 PM
      Thanks. I'd actually noticed some similar examples before the update (written without the colons), but never when I had the time to try to figure it out. So I didn't realize these ones were messed up due to the update. Good to know!
  • 7 Feb 11th, 2016 at 5:05PM
    11th Feb, 2016 05:19:45 PM
    I remember this tv show from when I was a kid in the nineties. One of those shows that aired once a year.

    It was about a ship and it's crew on it's way to South America I think. That was the plot of the early episodes at least. One of the characters stows away on the ship but becomes a part of it's crew upon discovery. The main female character may have had red hair?

    I remember them siding with the natives on a few occasions, and fighting against them at times.

    There was an episode where one of the main leads was abducted by "headhunters."

    They also fight against the Spanish on a few occasions as well, may have been Conquistadors?

    The main male lead gets left behind by the ship at one stage for a reason I can't remember, but he is dumped in the ocean and dolphins tow him to shore. A couple of natives of the island that he is on welcome him into their village and show him a cave with all of these exotic rainbow crystals that make music when they touch them I think? I remember that village being attacked by the bad guys either in that episode or the one after?

    Been bugging me for ages!! Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:25:31 PM
      No idea what the show is, but questions like this should go on You Know That Show.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:27:10 PM
      Oh sorry, my bad
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:30:44 PM
      Y'know, I'm beginning to think ATT shouldn't be the first item on the left menu there. Maybe have the others first with ATT toward the end?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:37:23 PM
      I am trying to post it in the you know that show section but it's not posting up?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:37:23 PM
      I am trying to post it in the you know that show section but it's not posting up?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 11:17:40 PM
      Drac - Agreed. It's like when you call some big company on the phone, and they list off the options on their phone menu, "press 0 for an operator" is always the LAST option. There's a reason for that - it's because if you listed that one first then everyone would just hit 0 immediately.
    • 12th Feb, 2016 01:01:24 AM
      May want to report any issues in Query Bugs. Locking here because none of the issues brought up here belong in ATT.
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 3:03PM
    11th Feb, 2016 03:56:21 PM
    "That Trope Where Shows Books Films Video Gamesor Songs Have Ridiculously Lo" is a redirect to Long Title (Ha, ha, very funny). But it's (A) cut off because apparently whatever they tried to do is too long, (B) devoid of wicks and inbounds, and thus devoid of reason to live, and (C) I can't cutlist it because the site says it doesn't exist.

    Help? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 04:07:00 PM
      Bug? There is nothing in the page source or on the page but it displays in a Related To and has a history. Also, wicks and inbounds are not the only thing that gives redirects a reason to live, search engine hits also can justify a redirect but they aren't counted anywhere.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 04:28:35 PM
      I... somehow doubt anyone is ever going to search that. Call me a pessimist.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 3:03PM
    11th Feb, 2016 03:40:57 PM
    It was the sole reason I liked TV Tropes over other wikis. There was examples shown to actually make it a bit easier. Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 03:46:18 PM
      Begging pardon, but I don't understand the problem...
    • 11th Feb, 2016 04:16:23 PM
      I believe it's the thing where you could click the button to see the examples for Wiki Markup, like "[=NotAWikiword=]" and things like that.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 04:33:08 PM
      The markup help is there. In fact it's much more extensive. Click the "Help" button at the top and a multi-tab sheet pops down. The Formatting tab is probably what you want.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:02PM
    11th Feb, 2016 02:46:29 PM
    My first mission was to add the tragically under-appreciated Arizona Dream to the film index. How'd I do? Any stupid mistakes? Advice for next time?

    Also, is this the wrong place to ask this? I was trying to find a newbie-corner / intro thread but this is the closest I could find.

  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 10:10AM
    11th Feb, 2016 10:07:03 AM
    There's a lot of content in the source that isn't showing on the page - specifically, everything below the Live Action Film folder. Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 10:13:35 AM
      For future reference, comment tags (%%) always go at the beginning of the line, not the end. That's what botched the page formatting.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 10:35:59 AM
      Also, headers don't create links. Thus, courtesy link.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:08AM
    11th Feb, 2016 08:33:03 AM
    The Trope holds water, the decription described it very well, the reason for it being deleted seems...contrived. The issue seems to be that the examples were done poorly, which should have been dealt with by cleaning up the bad examples, not axing the whole page of a functional and sensible trope. Bad examples aren't the trope's fault, they're the fault of the tropers that put up the bad examples. Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 08:52:34 AM
      It is possible, the cut was largely because Fast Eddie wanted it gone. With him no longer in charge, it might get reversed.

      That said, overwhelming consensus in the TRS thread was that it was effectively meaningless, as the "practical" is expected of something that's suitably "awesome."
    • 11th Feb, 2016 11:48:14 AM
      Fundamentally, both "awesome" and "practical" are subjective interpretations and allow for just about anything anyone could possibly think of to put there. It's too vague to make a useful trope.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 02:56:15 PM
      @Larkmaarn I think the reason the trope existed at all is as a contrast to Awesome Yet Impractical, myself. Usually something that fits into Awesome has some drawback to keep it from going into Game Breaker territory (or something similar for non-videogame examples). Sometimes there isn't any drawback holding it back, but it isn't powerful enough to call a Game Breaker (etc) either, hence it fits under Awesome Yet Practical.

      @Fighteer I can see that, and I think that might've been responsible for the "gushing" examples that plagued it. Though I think the trope page made a good case for what it's -not-, trimming a lot of the vagueness out of it. And I think the trope can still apply when compared to other things present in the work. One of the examples I'd put up there is the Claymore from Dark Souls II: it improves on all the strengths of the "standard" greatsword in the game—the Bastard Sword—granting the Awesome, while eliminating its weaknesses and introducing none of its own, making it Practical. But it doesn't fit into Simple Yet Practical because it's not really "simple": it touts the longest reach in the weapon class and an extremely powerful, extremely useful special attack. But it's not so unbelievably powerful that it can be called a Game Breaker either. So I think the trope filled a nice gap between Awesome Yet Impractical, Simple Yet Practical, Boring Yet Practical and Game Breaker. And this is -far- from the only example from video games I can think of...the fact that the page states it has over a thousand dead links to it speaks to at least some of that.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 7:07AM
    11th Feb, 2016 07:16:45 AM
    How To Make A Custom Title uses REALLY old pictures. Should they be updated? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:21:22 AM
      We're going to have to update all of the various instructional Administrivia pages. If you want to Sandbox an update to it, go right ahead.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 07:22:32 AM
      Or just plain change the page. If a page isn't locked, it means you can edit it.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 11:44:11 AM
      It would be best to do it through a sandbox, considering the recent updates.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:02AM
    11th Feb, 2016 02:29:20 AM
    For some reason the address that you are linked to when you click the Fanficton rec icon for Worm takes you to Worm (FanFicRecs/Worm) however as a result of it not being Worm (FanficRecs/Worm) the review notation screws up and doesn't show properly. Is there anyway to fix this that I'm not aware of? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 06:20:47 AM
      It has to do with the way the article was created. The wiki software saves the title with the exact Camel Case used to make the URL in the first place, but the namespace functions are case-sensitive. The simplest way to fix it is to Cut List the page and recreate it.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:02AM
    11th Feb, 2016 02:01:59 AM
    It's weird and not exactly welcoming for those who are looking for a lost trope; Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:00:40 AM
      Been kinda wondering about that myself.
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2016 at 1:01AM
    11th Feb, 2016 01:20:54 AM
    What's the new mechanism for finding a particular troper's edits, please? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 01:25:50 AM
      Still the old one (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=), but it's no longer in the tools bar. Might want to ask in BUGS for its reinstatement.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 06:54:28 AM
      I reported it already. They're working on it. It's supposed to be showing in its old place but there's a CSS issue.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2016 at 12:12AM
    11th Feb, 2016 12:36:32 AM
    So yeah... Fan Nickname still has a button for TroperTales.Fan Nickname. I tried to Cut List it but it wouldn't take. Mods? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 01:26:05 AM
      Moderators can't fix this. You need to call an administrator.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:27:07 PM
      Ah, okay. How do I do that? ^^;;
    • 12th Feb, 2016 01:04:33 AM
      See Know The Staff.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2016 at 12:12AM
    11th Feb, 2016 12:29:38 AM
    Personally I was fine with the old one that looked like a guy wearing a tinfoil hat. The new one... I think is supposed to resemble the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot pose? I don't get what that has to do with WMG, though... Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 03:02:59 AM
      It's bigfoot. it fits in with the idea that bigfoot truthers are tinfoil hat WMG types.
  • 3 Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:11PM
    10th Feb, 2016 11:43:24 PM
    I can't seem to find the "My YKTTW Activities" button. Did it get removed from the new site's feature, or is it a bug? Reply
    • 11th Feb, 2016 12:33:01 AM
      Seems like it was removed. Something for BUGS that is.
    • 11th Feb, 2016 05:14:55 AM
      Go to the main YKTTW page, and under the Page Action menu, go to History. Is that what you're looking for?
    • 11th Feb, 2016 12:35:04 PM
      Yeah, it's still there, there just doesn't seem to be a handy watchlist button for it anymore. v_v
  • 1 Feb 10th, 2016 at 10:10PM
    10th Feb, 2016 10:06:50 PM
    The Snakes Are Sinister trope was launched exactly 3 days after it was first started with no hats. There's also the issue of whether it was actually okay to split it from the existing Reptiles Are Abhorrent or not.

    What to do? Reply
    • 10th Feb, 2016 10:15:52 PM
      You've already reported it in the YKTTW help thread, so re-report it. Hopeful you'll get some help.