bauer24 added Natter to Shooting Superman, despite being Natter-fied by me yesterday. It's needless to add that they ignored the PM.

Got an Edit War going on over at Iron Man Headscratchers page. A troper keeps removing a comment made on the page, and I've asked him to take it to the discussion page, but he just keeps removing the comment and is accusing me of Strawmanning him. I personally feel it is inappropriate to remove someone else's entry on the grounds he's using. Can we get a moderator to sort this out?

FELH2 seems to have screwed up a little on automatic namespace migration for The Legend Of Zelda Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures. They seem to be automatically putting VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda in front of ANY permutation of "FourSwords" whether is necessary or not.

I have an Old Shame and its character sheet and I don't see any reason to keep them on the wiki. Before the Edit Banned thread was rebooted, there was an incident where someone blanked a page for a Troper Work and was banned. They were told to use the cut list next time. I put in a request in the cut list for those two pages and they were declined. Is htere nothing I can do to remove those pages?

Pokekid zapped all Anime & Manga examples on What Do You Mean Its For Kids with the edit reason "All Anime and Manga are for adult in Japan". I restored it already - no discussion and it sounds very far-fetched. Their edits on What Do You Mean Its Not For Kids also look kinda weird to me.

The second paragraph on Instrument Of God is... unusual. Should that be rephrased?

Hey, I have a question. See, while reading through the Sonic Generations page, I found this entry:

• Sonic has gathered quite a following over the years - in-game, that is. Many fans of the classics tend to believe that no main characters should have been introduced after Sonic, Robotnik, Tails, and Knuckles (and some think even that was too many). Generations starts out looking grim for these fans as the game kicks off with a scene filled with recurring characters, ready to tag along. ...Every single one of them is then immediately teleported away to make room for Sonic and Sonic.

Perhaps I'm just being a tad cautious, but it reads more as a Take That aimed at the game's supporting cast than a genuine entry. I've already moved the example over to the discussion page as a precaution, but I'm just wondering: Should it stay cut?

I'm a 90s kid and there was this one VHS I remember my grandma used to show me and my sisters all the time when I was little. They had different short stories in 1 VHS and were about different animals. Each story was supposed to teach you a different lesson like it's bad to steal, listen to your mom, etc. I remember one was with a rabbit who wanted to steal vegetables from a Mr. ??'s farm. Then he ran into a cat and the cat chased him under a bucket. Another one I think was with a bunch of kittens and one kitten couldn't go out because she didn't clean her mittens. I believe the narrator was English but I can't remember. I don't want to watch them, it's just irritating me that I can't think of the names of those stories. Please help :)

The user Vidor has removed the entire "near misses"^note that being notable, nearly fatal set disasters section from the Fatal Method Acting section, despite the fact that there was no natter in that section and that is an insufficient reason for removing a whole section from a page.

He did it once before last June, where he was the only person who wanted this and didn't write anything on the discussion page until he had already removed the whole thing. It was back within a few months.

Deusirae76 put Evil Tropes as a trope(and all the subtropes in bullet points) in StarWars. Is it okay?

I know that YMMV Audience Reactions like Broken Base aren't supposed to be listed as a trope on the main page of a work, but go on YMMV, but are they ever allowed to be listed in the description of the work that is above the trope example section?

I ask because I've seen examples of YMMV "tropes" used in such a way.

Just to kind of double-check (this is after my edit note, now I'm not 100% certain): Is this example added by 2020dude an example of Getting Crap Past The Radar?

It just kind of boggles me how someone could think that J.K. Rowling would make Expectro Patronum that kind of metaphor intentionally and I don't want to start an edit war of sorts since I've already reverted twice.

CM Cs is completely blank, appears to have been blank since its creation, and its page type is set to Contributor's Page. (Judging by other pages that pinkdove100 has edited, I'm guessing it's a reference to the Cutie Mark Crusaders from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.)

I was looking through the list of character sheets and was surprised to see that Command And Conquer doesn't have one. Does anyone else feel that ought to change?

We've got a potential edit war brewing on the YMMV list. troacctid thinks Alas Poor Villain shouldn't be YMMV. He posted in the YMMV thread and then immediately pulled it from the list, and then added it to the YMMV crowner. Septimus posted an objection in the thread and restored it to the page. troacctid then cut it from the page again with the edit reason "No yeas, multiple nays"—which was technically correct, but 1) it was 0:2, and 2) it had been on the crowner for a grand total of fifteen minutes.

I think it should be restored to the page (where it was originally) until this gets worked out, but I haven't done that because I don't want this to develop into an out-and-out edit war.

Mag Bas is a bit too edit happy (scroll down a bit). What should we do?

On Eliezer Yudkowsky and his YMMV page, are there tropes which apply to himself here? That's not allowed, right?

Creator pages don't seem to show a YMMV tag. I understand that there's a lot of tropes that could potentially be misused, but if a writer doesn't have specific work pages, or if the reactions apply to their works as a whole, wouldn't that still be okay? Or are creator YMMV pages banned outright?

This is a kinda general question. If there is a red link on a page (such as Scrapbook Story, see the quote) or in the examples (such as a trope that doesn't exist anymore and never existed and a troper thought it was), should a troper go ahead and unlink it, just leaving the work italizied or deleted, depending on the case? Or leave it red for somebody in the future to make a page about it?

bauer24's only four edits are Natter. I already removed them, and Natter-fied him/her.

Brave Raymond Shaw added a real life example to More Dakka (it's a No Real Life Examples Please trope), using a youtube link to a video of Judas Priest's song "breaking the law" as his edit reason. Can't edit it out, on a Wii at the moment.

Doing some wick cleanup for NCIS and found a couple of odd things. On the related to page, I saw one called Naval Exercise and Quotes.Naval Exercise. Both redirect to Undercover As Lovers and when I changed the Main.NCIS to Series.NCIS on both pages and pressed refresh on related to page, they're still there.

1. The first thing I did was go back to those two pages and made sure I got all of the wicks. Check.
2. Then I went to the edit URL for the Naval Exercise. Nope, just redirects to Undercover As Lovers.
3. And now I'm here, wondering what's going on.

I noticed that Film.Kung Fu Panda and Film.Kung Fu Panda 2 are on the cut list, even they the both have well over 20 inbounds each. Aren't we supposed to turning stuff with that many inbounds into redirects to the currect namespace instead of cutting them?

Shadow Mayflower has been making a lot of Nattery edits. I've already natterfied him/her.

Nevermind, he/she has responded that he/she will not do it again.

Someone named Sullesk turned this index into a redirect for the main page. Already reverted.

Searching their edit history shows they've been doing it repeatedly.

This troper is deleting YMMV items without a reason.

Is it okay to have a stealth example in the main text of a page, such as by potholing a suspiciously similar example to the work's page (like the mention of a magic spring on the First Law Of Gender Bending which potholes to Ranma 1/2)? I keep seeing it but it doesn't really seem right, looks to me like just a way to stealth - Entry Pimp shows you like and make their examples more prominent, but I just wanted to ask before I start removing the links and reworking the suspiciously similar examples.

Friksi just went and blanked the Ef A Fairy Tale Of The Two page. I reverted the page, but he may have caused other damage and is probably a vandal either way.

This is the right place to take this kind of concern right?

Edit war on the Skyrim Character Sheet

A troper named reub2000 took an example from the deleted RL section of Never Speak Ill Of The Dead and put it in a folder called "Comedy" with the edit reason "this example isn't actually RL" [sic]:

Comedy

• George Carlin referred to this phenomenon in a routine on his album On the Road:
  Hey, when you die, you get more popular than you've ever been in your whole life. You get more flowers when you die than you ever got at all. They all arrive at once, too late. And people say the nicest things about you! They'll make shit up if they have to! "Oh yeah, he was an asshole, but a well-meaning asshole." "Yeah, poor Bill is dead." "Yeah, poor Bill is dead." "Poor Tom is gone." "Yeah, poor Tom." "Poor John died." "Yeah, John." "What about Ed?" "Naw, Ed, that motherfucker, he's still alive, man! Get 'im outta here!"

I'm just curious if it counts as RL. I'm pretty sure it doesn't but I want to make sure, considering it was previously in the RL section.

ewarrior11's only edits are a pothole to Justified Genocide on Eaten Alive, which he's added and removed a few times... Not sure if he's a troll or just odd.

When you try to go from Once Upon A Time to Main, it goes to the generic Once Upon A Time, not to the series (as I would think would make sense, the Fridge section being related to the series). Is there a way to fix that?

In the Final Destination film trilogy's YMMV page, there were a few entries that I found that seemed like Natter to me. I removed a couple of those that were outright bashing, such as:

• In the second movie, the one woman's son is crushed by a falling piece of plate glass right in front of her. We'll say the acting could have been better.

• Bad Bad Acting: One of the few reasons why fans seem to despise The Final Destination.

There's this entry that I left alone under Nightmare Retardant:

• The fourth movie had the status of having basically every death involve either over the top Gorn or just kind of dumb. This led to some thinking the deaths had turned from "Oh god that could happen to me." to "Haha, look at that dumb guy's guts."

Can't really judge if that's Natter, so I left that alone.

Would like some official policy regarding Example Indentation on Outside The Box Tactic. I'm aware that third-level bullet points are frowned upon, but I was wondering if the current usage with Final Fantasy V is correct, or if the page needs to be modified to eliminate third level bullets. It's definitely neither discussion nor natter though, so that's not an issue.

If a trope was going to be used in a work, but it is then cut. do i put it on the main page or trivia?

I don't know where I should put this but is Squick and Squee really supposed to be potholed when an editor is disgusted/overjoyed about something?

I'm new here, and want to start editing. I noticed that one of my favorite podcasts, Idle Thumbs, is a red link. However, in reading various tips on the Welcome to TV Tropes page, it mentions that a work without a real narrative isn't really tropeable. Does this include podcasts? I notice that some narrative-less works have fleshed-out pages (Giant Bomb is a good example), but I don't want to be chastised for working on a page that doesn't fit with the overall mission of the site. What should I do?

We seem to have issues over the YMMV page for Sleeping Beauty. The general consensus in the Special Efforts thread for Complete Monster is that Maleficent does not apply, but helterskelter left a long-winded edit reason to restore it. Requesting a lock on the page so that the matter can be settled without erupting into a full Edit War.

Amazing Lagann recently made an insulting edit on the page of Kaiser Mazoku. Requesting ban/suspension action and (on Kaiser's discretion) permission to undo the edit.

Edited because it really was poor choice of words and tone

Chris Hart was massively changed, apparently by the man himself, to be nothing but an advertisement. Do I report something like that here or is there a more admin-y page?

EDIT: Looking at Mrin's edit history, he seems to have deleted Soul Eater examples from other articles, some appear to be legitimate or natter removal, but others are just deletions of the entire (fairly legitimate) entry without an explaination....

I considered bringing this up on Image Picking, but thinking about it, it seemed more like an ATT issue.

I was quite sure that the article Weird Moon used to have a page image, so I looked through the history to see where it went.

It seems that on the 21st of January (31 edits down, as of writing), SDNL deleted a few lines which consisted of a note asking people not to change the image, since there wasn't an image.

Two edits further down, I found an edit where Mrin (14th of January) appears to have deleted the page image and quote with no edit reason about a week after Willbyr put it in place on the 8th.

Based on the URL, the original page image was from Soul Eater, which Mrin has previously voiced a distaste for.

I don't want to jump to conclusions but it seems that Mrin might have deleted it maliciously and managed to get overlooked. I can't think of any good reason why someone would delete an image that had been selected in image picking without giving any edit reason and apparently ignoring a message asking it not be changed.

Should it be restored or left as is?

Um, while I was navigating using back on my browser, the "Sorry, editting has been turned off for you" page came up, but it appears to only have been temporary. Is this a glitch or a safeguard? Or was I almost suspended? :/

Just a minor scuffle: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Vocaloid

User hoshika45 has been added an example of Grade C Zettai Ryouiki (which isn't noteworthy, per the description) multiple times to that page, and I've edited it multiple times. Additionally, he/she edited the Zettai Ryouiki page's description and added Grade C as being list-worthy (and I edited that too).

What should be done about this?

If I bring back something somebody deleted because they didn't think it fit the trope, but change it so that the description makes it more clear why it fits the trope, does that count as edit warring or is that acceptable?

I have a doubt.

Where does one have to go in order to request a particular page to be cut? I think that there's one particular work page that... Is not compatible with the current rules of the wiki, and I think nobody is gonna miss it.

The page in question is FATAL.

You need to do something about Waxing Name's edits. If he moves a work/creator page to a namespace without editing its categories and redirects, just edit them.

More trolling of The Nostalgia Critic. Everything's been reverted.

Can anyone explain a distinction between Food Slap and Tasty Revenge? They really seem similar, and have similar lists of examples.

Seems to be an edit war in Pokemon between Centimental and Sterkly. Centimental also left a rude edit reason.

Daikun put again a So Bad It Is Horrible example i removed in TheGroovenians