A couple of questions about musician pages.

I know that the policy has been changed that things that happen offstage or that aren't a part of lyrics or promotional videos are no longer allowed on band or musician pages. I'm not trying to challenge that policy, so please don't take this as trying to start a fight over it or chip away at it., but I do have a couple of questions...

1) If something happens offstage has a direct impact on performing, is it allowable to mention? I'll list one clear-cut example and two more gray ones for this.

The first actual example: one of the two primary creative members of a band dies (Munetaka Higuchi of Loudness, for this example). Is it OK to list Author Existence Failure as a trope applying to the band in a case where the dead member was a founding member, lyricist, and played a vital role? Obviously he didn't die onstage or in a performance, but it happened, and made some major changes to performances and more.

As another actual example, at least two bands I can think of have been subject to a Frivolous Lawsuit over their name, and therefore had to change their names slightly (X to X Japan and Versailles to Versailles Philharmonic Quartet. Both suits were definitely that trope. Is it okay, in that case, to list Frivolous Lawsuit as a trope applying to the musicians?

As a hypothetical (and far more gray since it could be seen as libelous) example: a member leaves a band mid-tour due to an arrest or to go to rehab. The tour gets canceled (which is definitely an impact on performance if there ever was one). Would Off The Wagon be all right to include in the page?

2) Are interviews and documented statements allowed? As in, for example, I know that we don't want people calling, say, Justin Bieber a Jerkass, but let's say there's someone who did a published interview and was like "Man, I was really an asshole." Is it allowable in *that* instance to list Jerkass with a link to the person himself saying he was one?

This question's wondering if there's an "In Universe" equivalent on musicians that would allow for some things about them as people IF they are invoked by the musician himself or herself (and could therefore arguably be seen as part of performance, because in Visual Kei, for example, interviews ARE part of performing)

I'm having random logout issues on and around the fora- sometimes when I click "Mark all conversations as read" or view a thread, it'll tell me I'm not logged in even though I just logged in like, two minutes ago. Deviant ART's been having the same issue, as a result of the combination of IE and Kaspersky (and their own incompetence), so that might have something to do with it.

Should Disabled Love Interest's real life section be removed? It seems to just be list of "attractive disabled people". When this trope is suppose to be about love interests that are disabled,which is why it got renamed in the first place since people kept misusing it.

If I want to make a page for a Live Action TV show, what do I put instead of Main/? Do I put Series/, or Live Action TV/?

Is there a reason why Opposite Trope is locked rather than redirecting to Opposite Tropes?

edward45 is deleting YMMV items over at the Naruto YMMV page without giving an edit reason.

Is there a way to view the YKTTW page in such a way as to list every single active (not launched or discarded) YKTTW proposal?

The tropes page for "Kingdom Under Fire" is locked and I can not find an explaination under the "Locked Pages" page. Does anyone know why it is locked?

When doing custom titles, does it keep the "Recap:" in the name at the top of the page? I just did a bunch because some titles I recapped have colons and apostrophes, but then I realized I don't know if the "Recap:" stays there, and I want it there. If typing the title without that in it removes "Recap:", then to change it do I just request a custom title again?

warcrouch appears to have decidedly sub-optimal English.

I don't know if this is the place to ask this but... There was an old Western Animation series where three guys wore something that looked like plug suits. They'd get equipment beamed down to them via a space station and said equipment would attach to their plug suits. Any idea what the name of the show was and whether there's a tvtropes page on it.

Seems we're risking an Edit War here...

There is a troper called Masonicon X whose handle name and edits resemble these from Masonicon II who was recently banned for bad writing.

Specifically, Masonicon X has some pretty bad writing as well, as visible on his edits and also in this discussion, and he seems to have an interest for DarthWiki.The Ultimate Crossover Movie, a work that was created as The Ultimate Crossover Movie by Masonicon II and which I moved over to /Darth Wiki since it was unpublished.

Can someone check if Masonicon X is a sockpuppet of Masonicon II and take appropriate measures if he is?

Not sure if it's appropiate to ask this here .... and frankly I'm not even sure if I should ask this at all, but:

http://www.itjustbugsme.com/forums/

I've been able to recognize several tropers' names there, and the site's name is even a reference to the ol' Headscratchers series of pages. Is this site related to TV Tropes? I had never heard about the site before, at least I've not seen any page that links to this site.

A troper called starkid44 keeps trying to add real life examples to The Fair Folk, and has deleted a No Real Life Examples heading.

Ok. I know on a works page, you can if you choose to, to alphabetetize the tropes list.

My question is can you alphabetize the works on a trope page inside their respective folder sections? Official information please not opinion.

According to Permanent Red Link Club, YMMV pages about real people will always be cut. If this is so, where do we put the YMMV items those people display examples of?

I've found an unlocked archive page - Made Of Win Archive Late 2011.

Where would I go to request an oddly-placed ad be removed? Would that be Tech Wishlist or here?

Always Female has all of the work sub-pages even though it's set as an index. No idea what's happening there.

Venatius just gave Lickspittle an Example Sectionectomy. Was this discussed, and if yes, where?

Keep an eye out for this guy, okay?
Lots of natter, and he completely ignored a posting put up under Horrible.Film. In short, I've yet to see an edit by this one I've not had to revert.

Possible trollpost on the Rape As Redemption discussion page. Even if not a trollpost, though, it probably deserves deletion anyway.

Someone unilaterally removed all the voice acting examples from The Other Darrin and added a note that this only applies to "visual media". Is that vandalism, or is there a discussion I missed?

We might have another problem troper here: funkymonkey1318. At least as far as today's concerned, he's been adding nothing but complaining entries.

rolandvvdeschain was nattering very badly on the Syukusho Gakuen page, adding his personal interpretation to half the tropes there; this is his only substantive edit. I natterfied him and reverted his edits, but he may need a talk with the mods too. He also probably needs to be made aware that certain terminology ("moralfag") is, while perfectly fine on 4chan, not acceptable on TV Tropes.

After seeing an...unsavoury entry for a creator in the Haiku Wiki, should we actually have them? It just seems asking for a flame war, especially the more controversial ones.

Calamity Jane tried to edit Lawful Neutral (I think they were trying to remove the quotes), but wound up erasing everything half-way through Anime and Manga. I don't think it's vandalism (since this sort of shit has happened before due to wacky server problems and crappy connections), but just checking to be sure.

The Columbine main page isn't on an index, and I would add it to one, but I'm not sure what index to add it to. Is this something I can ask here? Or should I try and figure out the forums for this kind of question?

Is there a policy against whining on the discussion pages? Because sometimes on the discussion pages for recently renamed tropes I see a bunch of whining about the rename. One particular example is the Renamed Tropes discussion page, which is full of whining about renames in general. Should we remove this?

Okay, I am SO new to this, so please forgive me if I am putting something into the wrong section. Anyhow, I have recently found an absolutely horrid/hilarious EarthBound Troll Fic entitled "Urf Bowd: My Verson". Since {{There's No Such Thing As Notability)), I wanted to give it its own page. I'd like to know how to create a Fanfic page, and how to write it like a professional troper. Thank you very much!

I recently moved the Tear Jerker entry for The Lucifer And Biscuit Hammer to its own page, only to realize after the fact that the main page doesn't have one of those cool little teardrop button bubbles up at the top.

Is that something that needs to be added manually, or is it an automated part of the wiki machinery?

Just so I don't jump the gun any further, extending from Edit Tip 12, stating that a show is (or isn't) acclaimed (note: not a value judgement from a troper, just figures from other critics) in the lead isn't good form on the wiki. Is that correct?

Shouldn't Heroic Archetype be made a redirect to either the Heroes index or The Hero trope, rather than remain as the single-line stub that it is now?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=SilverWings has a bit of a problem with typoes

How do we handle ZeroContextExamples on character pages. Most character pages just seem to have the character's name, maybe a description but always just a list of tropes with no context.

On Saving Christmas's page there is a list of different types of plot associated with the trope.My question is, is it really necessary to have them marked in red and green?

We have another problem troper here: longlang12 keeps adding complaining entries to the Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 page, at one point completely replacing the already present entries there with said complaints. Methinks this user is a sockpuppet for a previous troll who did the same exact thing. Can a moderator please step in?

Link

Just spotted this user named upupandaway42 reverting an edit I had made,he put an all blue quote after I removed it.

I am to take it that personal opinion on wiki pages is discouraged, if not prohibited? This question is prompted by the presence of a bullet-point concerning existentialism on the Sora No Woto page, which states as follows:

An overarching theme of the show is how people give meaning to their lives, from religion to sticking up for their True Companions or their country in the face of a neutral, cold universe. The episodes where this is more blatant are episode seven and the last DVD episode (in particular Rio's final voice-over). Filicia Heideman in particular is a textbook case of The Anti Nihilist.

I saw two problems with the bullet and removed it, with the edit reason that existentialism is more opinion-driven when applied to anime, and as such, would better be suited for a review. I feel the problems can be summarised as 1) it is not a matter of correctness (as everyone is free to interpret an anime as they will), but rather, the imposition of a particular viewpoint in the wiki itself and 2) the work in question is not solidly about existentialism; the events that appear as 'existentialist' elements are open to interpretation.

That's the background: what are the usual guidelines for things like that?

I've stumbled upon a works page that has serious problems. On the page for Addergoole there is only one example that is not X Just X. I know normally we'd move those to the discussion page, but this would leave the page as only having a single example on it and cutlist-able. Not that I'd argue with cutting it, given what I can infer from the summary and trope list. It seems dodgy at best (no way am I following the link on the page, don't fancy spending an evening disinfecting my hard-drive). Still, could do with some advice please.

In the past when the review markup has been imposed on a fanfic recommendation page, the kind soul doing so put in the effort to move the comments into reviews.

However, I have just stumbled across a number of recommendation pages (Sailor Moon, Naruto Crossover Fics, and Naruto Alt Fic And Crack Fic so far, and there may be others), where Septimus Heap has done a wholesale delete of all comments with nothing more than "Comments go to reviews now" in the edit reason. He did not even bother to put the review markup in their place, and in at least once instance I found accidentally deleted an entire fic recommendation in his haste to banish all comments from a page.

This strikes me as at the minimum unfriendly and at the worst perhaps vandalism.

I am at this moment trying to add the review markup to FanficRecs.SailorMoon and rescue the deleted comments, but it's a little hard to figure out what comment belongs to which fic sometimes.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotDiggedyDemon

Hey, can you guys make on page for this? Thanks.

I noticed on the Bias Steamroller page that a troper named Earl Of Sandvich was moving all links to The Nostalgia Critic to the "Video Game" namespace and that seemed odd to me, as The Nostalgia Critic is not a video game. Does it seem odd to anyone else?

Recently, I had argued for the cutlisting of a trope called Batman Clone, and the mods evidently agreed, as Bobby G (I think) cut the example and locked the page. Well, Iqbal (who launched it initially) re-created it just as Batman Expy.

There is a troper page in the wrong namespace (Troper instead of Tropers), not to mention a ptitle. The page is Troper.ptitleb75b6ukc (0blivionmobile). Normally I would just move it, but this troper's name starts with a numerical character, which can't be used at the beginning of a wiki page's name.

What should be done with this page?

We seem to be having a problem in a certain YKTTW discussion. The sponsor, Fallen Legend, aside from the fact that his spelling is abysmal, isn't responding very maturely to criticism, instead opting to taking on a "go away, you jerk" attitude.

Should Bi The Way have a real life section since it's just gonna be famous people who are bisexual?

Want to get some input from staff here on something, that I've already opened for discussion in Television Is Trying To Kill Us.

Is it OK to edit examples off of an index that were added in good faith (e.g. not vandalism) and that do have an arguable reason to be on said index, simply to "trim" it or make it shorter? By "arguable reason" I mean, a good enough reason that one or more tropers put them on there, and they are applicable (and not Square Peg Round Trope).

Using an example struck off of Television Is Trying To Kill Us under such a "trim," Smoking Is Glamorous. Yes, people start smoking for reasons other than media, but the arguable reason is that some depictions of smoking in media (including Do Not Do This Cool Thing ones) inspire some to pick up the habit, especially in places outside of America. (And before anyone says *I'm* biased for using the removed smoking tropes as an example, I myself am a smoker so it's not due to some sort of anti-tobacco agenda, lol)

I think such "trimming" is not OK and that the solution to a long index is folderization and removal of natter, but not the tropes themselves if they belong there and there is a proper argument for their being there. Am I right in thinking so?

Is "Puppet Shows" an actual media category? I've seen the Muppet Show (and Sesame Street) and the Muppet films listed under Live Action TV and Films, respectively, all over the place, but in other places they are listed collectively under "Puppet Shows". So what's the right category?