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supernintendo128
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11:38:42 AM 19th Apr 2014
This is my entry for the food section of the So Bad, It's Horrible page.
  • Surströmming is considered one of the most disgusting foods of all time and is especially infamous for its horrible smell. Surströmming is a fermented rotting fish in a can produced in Sweden that sits in an absolutely disgusting smelling juice. The smell is so bad, that most people throw up just by smelling it. It's so bad, that Ashens refuses to taste it let alone open a can of it.
Does my entry really insults Sweden's culture? I wasn't intending to be racist.
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Elfkaiser
Medium: Anime
11:14:12 AM 19th Apr 2014
edited by Elfkaiser
Gotta ask whether this counts as Fridge Horror. This concerns some plot from Nanatsu No Taizai so spoilers.


I noticed this line added by fellow troper 15sok.

  • As fans ship Diane with King, after reading Side Story 2 King met Diane as she was she was a kid, King end up looking after her. Is as if they were shipping a father figure to a little girl.

To give more context and understanding, both come from Long Lived races. Diane's a giant who is at least 700 years old and appears to have just hit puberty in the present story. King's a fairy who is at least more than 700 years old and his normal form is a perpetual child-like body. In the backstory, King meets a really younger looking Diane and they spend a few hundred years together. They actually take care of one another mutually what with Diane hunting food for them and King taking care of her when she was sick. It's pretty much Childhood Friend Romance from a certain point of view.

So here's the problem. I took the entry out and placed a slightly similar entry of it under YMMV squick. However, I'm not sure if what I did was the right thing to do, whether I should I have left the Fride Horror entry alone or not.
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SeptimusHeap
07:10:51 AM 19th Apr 2014
That seems like it could fit Fridge Horror and Squick at once.
Discar
11:14:12 AM 19th Apr 2014
Also, 15sok still has grammar problems. I'm gonna PM him.

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SeptimusHeap
Medium: Literature
10:15:52 AM 19th Apr 2014
Characters.How To Train Your Dragon just got a lot of Repair, Don't Respond violations added by Socrates The Mudwing. I am not familiar enough with the subject to fix it myself, though, although I did message them.
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mlsmithca
08:25:40 AM 19th Apr 2014
That page had other problems - trope names in spoiler tags, trope entries given second-level bullet points, no effort to alphabetise them by trope (which seems to be a major problem on Characters pages), and that's not getting into the Zero Context Examples. I just took a pair of scissors to the Repair, Don't Respond violations and cited said rule in the edit reason; hopefully someone who knows the books can address those issues (Socrates The Mudwing him/herself, perhaps, if s/he knows to actually correct the entries instead of making Justifying Edits).
Fighteer
moderator
10:15:52 AM 19th Apr 2014
Ugh. Suspended.

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harryhenry
Medium:
10:03:48 AM 19th Apr 2014
edited by harryhenry
Troper nelmsmeister seems to have some really bad spelling and grammar problems.
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harryhenry
09:30:55 AM 19th Apr 2014
Bump.
Fighteer
moderator
10:03:48 AM 19th Apr 2014
Suspended. Wow.

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theAdeptrogue
Medium:
09:59:02 AM 19th Apr 2014
Just curious, but what is the difference between Ho Yay and Homoerotic Subtext? Isn't the X Yay tropes already about romantic subtext?

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Bisected8
07:27:25 AM 19th Apr 2014
Homoerotic Subtext is deliberate. Ho Yay is fans seeing it when it wasn't intended.
SeptimusHeap
07:27:34 AM 19th Apr 2014
Ho Yay is about the Audience Opinion aspect.
DracMonster
08:26:25 AM 19th Apr 2014
Ho Yay is often misused for instances where it was fully intentional, so I'm not surprised if you couldn't tell the difference.
StFan
09:59:02 AM 19th Apr 2014
Damn, I've been looking to correct this on the Save The Supers page for a while already, but I just couldn't find the correct (intentional) trope despite my efforts! Now I know, thanks guys.

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ShanghaiSlave
Medium:
07:09:58 AM 19th Apr 2014
someone please cutlist Whoa, Bundy!. I could do that but my wording of the reason tend to suck.

there's a Not-TRS thread about it for reference. and yes, I already hollered for it to be moved to TRS.
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DracMonster
04:29:49 AM 19th Apr 2014
Cutified.
SeptimusHeap
07:09:58 AM 19th Apr 2014
Expanded and referenced on the discussion tab. Don't forget to cutlist the laconic, either.

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Ghilz
Medium:
09:28:45 PM 18th Apr 2014
Edit War Brewing on VideoGame.Quest For Glory IV between Peteman and Ambaryerno
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Ghilz
09:28:45 PM 18th Apr 2014
Ambaryerno also needs to learn not to link to Complete Monster on character pages. Messaged him about that.

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tryrar
Medium:
08:17:05 PM 18th Apr 2014
I just came across this page, Cat Communication. ....I'm not sure what the heck it's supposed to be, or if it's even a trope or just a copy-paste from The Other Wiki. Should I bring this up to TRS?
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Fighteer
moderator
06:05:44 PM 18th Apr 2014
It's not a trope. It seems like it's trying to be a Useful Notes page but there's no mention of what relevance it has to media.
tryrar
08:17:05 PM 18th Apr 2014
Alright, I'll put this on TRS then

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Candi
Medium: Literature
04:55:22 PM 18th Apr 2014
Characters.Discworld Wizards: Spoilers in folder names for The Librarian and the Dean. Should the spoilered parts be moved down into the entry?
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Zyffyr
03:31:56 AM 18th Apr 2014
I am fairly sure I saw Fast Eddie state that spoilers in folder names was bad, so yeah move it down.
FastEddie
moderator
06:17:13 AM 18th Apr 2014
Yup, and I'll say it often. A label you cannot read is absolutely useless.
ShanghaiSlave
01:31:05 PM 18th Apr 2014
How are you supposed to rename them to be non-spoiler though?
DarkHunter
01:47:34 PM 18th Apr 2014
You don't.

If someone is looking at a character page, it is assumed that they are prepared to see spoilers.
CrypticMirror
01:48:48 PM 18th Apr 2014
Is the one with Librarian even accurate? I've been out of Discworld fandom for a while, but I thought that was just Pratchett teasing the readship with an in-universe theory and not confirmed. The one for the Dean could easily move down into the folder, especially since he has spent most of the series as The Dean.
Candi
04:55:22 PM 18th Apr 2014
edited by Candi
The Librarian's name comes up in The Last Continent. The ape threatens Rincewind when the wizzard starts to say it, among other things. Knowing his True Name could be the foundation of a spell to turn him human again, and he doesn't want that at all. For one thing, he no longer needs a ladder to get to the top shelves. :p

Edit: and spoilers moved.

Eep. Some of the Character pages need work. [[ActualTropeName Play on Trope Name]] and spoilered trope names/whole entries here and there. I'll see if I have time after arguing with my health insurance peoples. Again. At least they have a nice call center; just a lot of rules.

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AnoBakaDesu
Medium:
03:46:53 PM 18th Apr 2014
What is the accepted format for a character folder?

I am currently working with this format:

    Character A 

Character A

Introductory paragraph.

  • Trope list

My question is: is deleting the !! headline (almost always character name) justified?
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mlsmithca
08:16:46 PM 17th Apr 2014
I don't know what the official wiki policy is, but the !! headline does seem redundant if it's already the name of the folder; it would make more sense if the folder listed tropes for a group of characters to give them individual !! headers.
AnoBakaDesu
08:18:42 PM 17th Apr 2014
edited by AnoBakaDesu
I'm asking because I'm getting caught up in an unnecessary Edit War against KantonKage.

As a general rule, I will keep that format no matter the character, because sometimes there will be folders with multiple characters within that folder. Consistency is something to strive for, and this guy is not (dude doesn't do the same on Characters.A Certain Scientific Railgun, despite having done recent edits there).
FastEddie
moderator
08:58:20 PM 17th Apr 2014
Does seem redundant in the folder structure in use in that article. Probably not something to get in a lather over, one way or the other. Very few readers will pick up on the cross-page in/consistency.
AnoBakaDesu
09:02:39 PM 17th Apr 2014
So, I should just let it go?
Irene
09:07:44 PM 17th Apr 2014
edited by Irene
To note, if you're using the header to show off more than one entry in a folder, it makes sense to spread it for all characters, even if it's one per folder. Just for consistency and neatness. For pages where it's one character per folder, it really doesn't matter in that particular case.(albeit, that should be applicable to every page for consistency, but the specific character page alone is somewhat important here)

Does this page have more than one character per folder? If not, there's no need for the header. If there is, then it's not really redundant in that particular case, it's just plain there for consistency and to make them all look organized. Just my opinion on how it could be done.

I do however see an issue if the troper isn't bothering to be consistent among all pages, and it's looking more like some kind of agenda than a reasonable policy. I don't think it matters, but that is particularly odd. Why one page and not the other?
ShanghaiSlave
07:51:33 AM 18th Apr 2014
Let it go...
let it go!
Turn away and Slam the Door!

....

seriously though. I'd say the !!Character Name thing might be redundant, but its not much of an issue as its still less important than the details about the character.
Discar
09:44:03 AM 18th Apr 2014
What I've been using !!Character Name is for titles and such. So the folder gets their basic name/nickname/whatever they're typically referred to as ("the General," "Max," what have you), and then the !! uses the full name as we know it ("General Faulk," "Maximum Facepuncher"). It's redundant on some pages, but not all. It kinda depends.
AnoBakaDesu
09:55:58 AM 18th Apr 2014
I don't care if it's redundant, all the character pages on my watchlist have the same format, and I will make sure they stay that way.

It's too bad if it becomes an Edit War.
crazysamaritan
10:28:20 AM 18th Apr 2014
That sounds like an ownership issue.
Deadbeatloser22
moderator
01:06:24 PM 18th Apr 2014
Ano Baka Desu, you do not get to dictate page formatting. We operate by consensus, not the whims of a single user.
FastEddie
moderator
03:46:53 PM 18th Apr 2014
Threatening an edit war? Over this petty stuff? Thanks for the warning.

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ryanasaurus0077
Medium:
11:11:50 PM 17th Apr 2014
Regarding the numerous notes on Magnetic Video's list of titles, it's inevitable that many of those notes will be identical to another note on the same page. That's where the note glitch hits the hardest. A little advice on how to format and/or sort the notes would be appreciated. Thanks!
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FastEddie
moderator
08:54:47 PM 17th Apr 2014
Maybe just put the syndication on a line under the bullet. Use \\ to force a line break. It may also look cool to use the font-shrinker [--text--] to make that line small print.
ryanasaurus0077
11:11:50 PM 17th Apr 2014
Thanks. I'll try that.

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tryrar
Medium:
05:43:49 PM 17th Apr 2014
edited by tryrar
Umm, do we have a Spanish translation project for the Wiki going on? I ask because in the course of dewicking Dying Like Animals so it can finally be cut, I ran across this page, which looks like a spanish language listing of all animal tropes on the wiki. Is this okay to leave alone?

Edit:found another odd page, this one with some wonky formatting: Appeal To Popularity
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crazysamaritan
05:43:49 PM 17th Apr 2014
Yep. Check out the forums.

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sentairider42
Medium:
04:49:20 PM 17th Apr 2014
When talking about Fanfic status, what doe the terms "Dormant", "Dead", and "Frozen" mean?
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Deadbeatloser22
moderator
04:44:01 PM 17th Apr 2014
Dormant normally means the fic is on hiatus. Dead means the author has given up on it or generally not updated it in a long time.
CrypticMirror
04:49:20 PM 17th Apr 2014
edited by CrypticMirror
I can't remember where the discussion was, it was a few years ago, but the statuses that were generated from it are:

  • Complete - Exactly What It Says on the Tin
  • Ongoing - The fic is being updated on a regular basisnote .
  • Dormant - Either: The author has placed the fic on hiatus; or the fic has gone for several months to a year or more without an update but the author has not pronounced it dead.
  • Dead - The fic has not been updated in several years, or the author has specifically said that it will not be updated.
  • Frozen - This Fic has been locked away on advice of ice trolls until it learns to control itself.

note 

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MyFinalEdits
Medium:
02:50:54 PM 17th Apr 2014
For some reason, the natterfy function isn't working anymore for me, regardless of what issue I choose.
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SeptimusHeap
02:27:22 PM 17th Apr 2014
It seems to have some kind of Javascript issue that causes it to stop working periodically.
MyFinalEdits
02:30:00 PM 17th Apr 2014
I see. Well, I'll have to wait until it's solved. For the record, the page where I found the offending edit was in Love Triangle, but I already fixed it.
SeptimusHeap
02:32:30 PM 17th Apr 2014
You might want to report it in the Wiki Talk forum thread about the issue.
Fighteer
moderator
02:50:54 PM 17th Apr 2014
edited by Fighteer
Fixed. The input form accepts line breaks but they mess up Eddie's code for the widget.

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ShanghaiSlave
Medium:
12:34:14 PM 17th Apr 2014
In tropes, Do fangames go sub-bulleted under the original game or on a separate example entry?
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Ultimatum
09:56:34 AM 17th Apr 2014
Separate entry
ShanghaiSlave
10:37:55 AM 17th Apr 2014
Is that somewhere on administrativia, or some reliable source i can quote as edit reason?
SeptimusHeap
10:48:33 AM 17th Apr 2014
Example Indentation in Trope Lists about solitary bullets levels, for one thing. The example/folder sorting rules as well.
ShanghaiSlave
12:34:14 PM 17th Apr 2014
ok.

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DracMonster
Medium:
09:56:11 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
Question about an example on Demon Aid: Is this a correct use of Expy?

  • Expy: Pretty much from the second his design was shown, readers were calling Luft an expy of Makoto from Gina's previous series. Sure enough, by the end of the first chapter, he's already got Esta locking lips with him.

Luft looks nothing like the character he's being compared to, and the author has given no indication that they're connected that way.

The reason I'm leery about this is, Makoto (from the author's previous webcomic) caused a metric crapload of ship-warring nastiness and the wording of the example looks a bit like a stealth attempt to import that drama onto this page. (The same user added a more direct example on the YMMV page, but that's for complaining, so I let it stand.)

I created the page and have been worried about Red String's drama bleeding into it, so I may be interpreting this in a biased way, so I wanted another opinion or two.
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nrjxll
08:25:41 PM 5th Apr 2014
In context, that does sound extremely suspicious.
SeptimusHeap
02:37:38 AM 6th Apr 2014
That is a Zero-Context Example, to begin with. Second, audience opinion is not part of that trope.

I would remove it.
Jinxmenow
07:46:46 AM 6th Apr 2014
Removed.
MagBas
12:44:09 PM 6th Apr 2014
Question, you guess that it is a good idea create a short time or long time projects thread to clean up misuses of expy?
ShanghaiSlave
08:20:11 AM 9th Apr 2014
bump because I've never seen Expy used correctly personally.
DracMonster
09:36:19 AM 9th Apr 2014
Truthfully, I'm wondering if a name change might be in order. I'd never heard of the term before I discovered tvtropes. Maybe a wordier title like Intentional Resemblance Shout Out might clue people in?
SeptimusHeap
09:38:28 AM 9th Apr 2014
Not gonna happen, the rename. It's a term that has caught on widely.
nrjxll
07:08:10 PM 9th Apr 2014
But has it caught on correctly?
SeptimusHeap
02:42:35 AM 10th Apr 2014
According to past threads, yes.
MagBas
03:18:55 PM 12th Apr 2014
edited by MagBas
Speaking about misuses, 21 mar, Beacon80 removed some examples in Western Animation and posted in the discussion page that said examples sounded as misuse. 12 apr, Alternative Cola put the examples again.
ShanghaiSlave
11:30:22 PM 12th Apr 2014
edited by ShanghaiSlave
^^ I'd question that, Septimus.

check this page out, Dynasty Warriors Wu Kingdom. tell me if any of those "expies" are actually expies and not just Suspiciously Similar Characters.

EDIT: Huang Gai and Ding Feng, I was so sure there were lots of "expies" in the DW character pages, turns out they're also spread out on the kingdoms.

besides, how the hell are we supposed to know for sure if character "Alice" is deliberately crafted to be very similar to another character in a different work?
SeptimusHeap
12:39:56 AM 13th Apr 2014
I was talking about offwiki. Onwiki most if not all examples are questionable. It's a common issue with all the Expy/Shout-Out family of tropes.
nrjxll
02:09:57 AM 13th Apr 2014
I was also talking about offwiki. I've seen this argument made convincingly for Xanatos Gambit before, but I'm not so sure about whether people offsite are really using Expy any differently then they are here.
MagBas
01:05:54 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by MagBas
About "how the hell are we supposed to know for sure if character "Alice" is deliberately crafted to be very similar to another character in a different work?", the only method that i know is with Word of God.
ShanghaiSlave
01:14:52 PM 13th Apr 2014
huh? don't we rename stuff regardless of outside spread? like in the case of Rape Tropes and Double Standard tropes?
crazysamaritan
01:23:24 PM 13th Apr 2014
No. Outside behaviour is one of the primary reasons we can find it important to rename. The reason why we collect tropes and examples is to share them with an audience who aren't tropers. If the audience is consistently using a term differently than how we use the term, then we change our term, not theirs.

If we are using terms or phrases that upset our audiences, then we change them to please the audience. We are ideally a neutral wiki, not praising immoral acts, which is part of the complaint that was levied aagainst us for those tropes. That is one part of the reason the P5 exists now.
FastEddie
moderator
01:29:58 PM 13th Apr 2014
Why are you guys talking about renaming? Nobody said anything about renaming anything.
DracMonster
01:38:31 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
Um, well I did way up there. That's what spawned this discussion. but it looks like the Hive Mind is not in favor overall, so I withdraw my suggestion.
FastEddie
moderator
06:56:26 PM 13th Apr 2014
I missed that. yeah, Expy has been through the rename grind at least twice, with no luck in dislodging it from its entrenched position.
ShanghaiSlave
08:07:18 PM 13th Apr 2014
crazysamaritan — OIC.

Fast Eddietwice?! better check TRS as to why.
ShanghaiSlave
08:24:14 PM 13th Apr 2014
Since I might get ninja'd.

I saw the broken title thread. the guy pretty much nailed it in the head (made by same author vs Captain Ersatz by another name).... and then the fix (if it was even done, which it looks like it wasn't) was to tweak the description which made it even more confusing.

then come the Misused thread... apparently, the impending rename wasn't done because of a certain problem. also, what's a "CC thread"? and the discussion practically went nowhere with new problems surfacing for every breakthrough.

... no wonder it still has the name. Is a fix even possible with all the things that needs to be considered? (offsite use, insite use, wicks, wick transfer, etc.)
ShanghaiSlave
09:56:11 AM 17th Apr 2014
bump, I still got questions on this. see above.

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Larkmarn
Medium:
09:36:18 AM 17th Apr 2014
How do you look up posts you've made on Discussion pages?
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SeptimusHeap
12:10:32 PM 15th Apr 2014
Larkmarn
01:55:58 PM 15th Apr 2014
That's it. Thanks.
ShanghaiSlave
05:37:34 AM 17th Apr 2014
Nifty, is there one for the forums?
FastEddie
moderator
05:39:58 AM 17th Apr 2014
Bottom of every forum page.
ShanghaiSlave
09:18:37 AM 17th Apr 2014
hmm, doesn't work the way I want it to. I meant I was looking for a list of threads where I posted like for the one in Discussions.
SeptimusHeap
09:23:42 AM 17th Apr 2014
ShanghaiSlave
09:36:18 AM 17th Apr 2014
Ah that's exactly it, thanks!

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Acebrock
Medium:
08:37:03 AM 17th Apr 2014
What namespace should motorsports related pages be under? Because right now they seem split between two different namspaces: Useful Notes (Rallying, Twenty Four Hours Of Le Mans, and United Sports Car Championship) and Main, (NASCAR, Indy Car. and Formula One). The Motorsports page itself is under Useful Notes as well
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Fighteer
moderator
03:50:19 PM 16th Apr 2014
We don't have an official media category for sports, aside from Pro Wrestling, because for the most part they lack a narrative that can have tropes. They're basically a form of Real Life.
crazysamaritan
08:31:24 PM 16th Apr 2014
They should probably all go under Useful Notes, then, if they don't have a narrative.
FastEddie
moderator
05:37:53 AM 17th Apr 2014
No. I think a race is analogous to a story. I can see having a Racing namespace.

Useful Notes is not a dumping ground for things we can't sort into other categories. It has our take on facts and how those facts impact storytelling.
crazysamaritan
06:30:21 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by crazysamaritan
And also for Real Life things that impact storytelling, as we have many stories based on sports, including football, Baseball, Cricket, and Hunting.

I don't see a narrative in a sport. That was the basis of my opinion.
Fighteer
moderator
06:32:44 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by Fighteer
Obviously the tropes associated with those sports heavily influence media; that's why we have them as tropes. But we don't need to be documenting the sports themselves; that's not our purpose. Recap.MLB 2014 Toronto Vs Baltimore Game 3... seriously?
SeptimusHeap
06:53:13 AM 17th Apr 2014
I can see how you would qualify stuff like certain techniques and common occurrences in racing as tropes, following a "sport = gameplay" analogy. It's a bit hard to wrap your head around that, though.
Fighteer
moderator
06:54:42 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by Fighteer
Recap.NASCAR 2014 Race 25 Daytona Speedway

Recap.NFL 2014 Week 5 Dallas Vs Washington

That's the kind of thing we're talking about. It's absurd.
SeptimusHeap
07:05:25 AM 17th Apr 2014
Yeah, so? "It's absurd" does not lead to "it's not tropable".
Fighteer
moderator
07:14:26 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by Fighteer
Well, it is not tropable. Real life sports (that aren't performances, like pro wrestling) don't have narratives; hence they don't have tropes. Now, the media surrounding the sport does have narrative; we could hypothetically document ESPN Sports Center under Live-Action TV, for example, assuming someone wanted to go to the trouble. But the tropes would be limited to the "performance" of the show, not the real life people involved.
SeptimusHeap
07:19:57 AM 17th Apr 2014
"Narrative" is not the same thing as "gameplay"; at least to my knowledge. These things certainly have "gameplay", that's for sure. And we do trope that.
Larkmarn
07:46:33 AM 17th Apr 2014
We trope gameplay in the sense that we'd trope rules for sports, but not individual events.

We trope gameplay choices that the designers actively put in. We don't, for example, trope professional gaming tournaments' gameplay as that's real life and not what we do.

Now, for something like NASCAR we could trope things like Competitive Balance, Obvious Rule Patch, and the like. Basically things that the guys who make the rules implemented in order to make the games more interesting. That would fall under TV Tropes' mission. But things like troping everything that happened during a game, or even a career? That's just troping real life.
Fighteer
moderator
08:25:11 AM 17th Apr 2014
A Sports/ namespace would seem to be indicated for general stuff like that mentioned above.
crazysamaritan
08:37:03 AM 17th Apr 2014
And Useful Notes "subpages" for the sports happening in fiction or references to sports heroes in fiction.

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iansimsjam
Medium:
06:00:50 AM 17th Apr 2014
There needs to be a Laconic page for Flame Bait so people can understand the term easily.
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ShanghaiSlave
05:32:50 AM 17th Apr 2014
made one.
theAdeptrogue
06:00:50 AM 17th Apr 2014
edited by theAdeptrogue
NVM

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Larkmarn
Medium:
05:39:26 AM 17th Apr 2014
When do TRS topics get opened up for discussion? I'd like to comment in a couple, but I can't.
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FastEddie
moderator
05:39:26 AM 17th Apr 2014
Usually happens pretty quickly, if it is going to happen at all. If it has mod post after the initial post and is locked, that means it won't be opened.

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tryrar
Medium:
04:13:27 AM 17th Apr 2014
Just be be sure, the basic way to merge a page is to move all non-duplicate wicks to the destination trope from the trope to be merged, and then cut or redirect the empty page correct?
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SeptimusHeap
04:13:27 AM 17th Apr 2014
Yes, and merge the discussion, the page's examples or content over.

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captainpat
Medium:
08:30:19 PM 16th Apr 2014
Need a reversion for Hot Scoop. troper Fakhrulez uncommented all the ZCEs.
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Fighteer
moderator
07:08:47 AM 14th Apr 2014
Reverted and suspended.
mlsmithca
10:42:40 AM 14th Apr 2014
edited by mlsmithca
A look through their edit history seems to show that they have rather serious grammar problems as well, including inconsistent or inappropriate verb tenses (e.g., "didn't liked"), spotty use of articles, spotty use of the verb "to be", subject-verb disagreement... there's hardly an edit there that doesn't have some sort of grammar issue.
Fighteer
moderator
11:27:17 AM 14th Apr 2014
Mind sending him a PM with a reference to the help thread so we don't come across as badguys for suspending him a second time in one day?
mlsmithca
12:13:41 PM 14th Apr 2014
PM sent. Should we embark on a cleanup of the grammar of past edits, or should that perhaps be set aside as an exercise in improving English writing skills for the editor in question?
Fighteer
moderator
12:39:44 PM 14th Apr 2014
Go ahead and fix things. The objective is a good-looking wiki first.
mlsmithca
02:28:50 PM 14th Apr 2014
edited by mlsmithca
Right you are - grammar fix under way. There's not quite as much work involved as I at first thought, as there are a few other editors who have cleaned up Fakhrulez' grammar in certain articles.
mlsmithca
04:51:14 PM 16th Apr 2014
Apologies for re-visiting this, but Fakhrulez hasn't acknowledged my PM, hasn't posted in the "Get Help With English Here" thread, and has continued apace with grammatically dodgy edits. Should I send another PM, or is sterner action called for? (In fairness, it has only been two days.)
Fighteer
moderator
05:14:56 PM 16th Apr 2014
'K, well, he's been warned. Fair is fair. Suspending again.
mlsmithca
07:55:36 PM 16th Apr 2014
Perhaps my PM was too easy-going; I presented going to the "Get Help With English Here" thread more as a friendly suggestion than as an emphatic instruction, as English is rather clearly not Fakhrulez' first language and I didn't want to strike too negative a tone.

Anyway, I'll clean up the most recent edits where I can (I'm honestly not sure what some of them are about).
FastEddie
moderator
08:30:19 PM 16th Apr 2014
Failing on the side of politeness is the best way to go.

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MagBas
Medium:
04:58:20 PM 16th Apr 2014
edited by MagBas
Recently, Kaxrida included a Game Breaker example in Characters.Pokemon Generation I Geodude To Mew with the following edit reason: "Added Game Breaker to Khan's entry. himself is complaining about it, so it's not YMMV in this case (similar to Dragons)."
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FastEddie
moderator
12:53:32 PM 16th Apr 2014
He's saying that the trope was invoked. Putting the [[invoked]] markup in the example will keep it from being flagged.
Larkmarn
01:20:07 PM 16th Apr 2014
Does that really count as invoked, though? Even if a creator afterwards comments on it, it's not like he set out to make Mega Khangaskhan a Game Breaker.
DarkHunter
04:58:20 PM 16th Apr 2014
And if he had set out to do so, wouldn't it fall under Purposefully Overpowered?

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CrypticMirror
Medium:
04:46:47 PM 16th Apr 2014
Do Creator pages get Head Scratchers sub-pages? Because I just stumbled across Joss Whedon's and it is kinda a mess. If it is allowed, then it needs cleaned up a lot.
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FastEddie
moderator
06:13:17 PM 15th Apr 2014
Well, he's sort of a franchise. People don't talk about his personal life a lot. Mostly about his work. I'd say it's cool.
xanderiskander
07:31:32 AM 16th Apr 2014
edited by xanderiskander
If we don't want personal life stuff on headscratchers should we remove the entry about him getting annoyed when fans ask him about whether or not he has a "foot fetish" based off of apparent camera focus on feet in his works?

It should be kind of obvious why that's an impolite thing to ask anyway.
crazysamaritan
08:06:54 AM 16th Apr 2014
Yes
Larkmarn
04:46:47 PM 16th Apr 2014
edited by Larkmarn
I'm okay with the Headscratcher being deleted as, like you said, it's a stupid question and obvious why he'd be annoyed.

However, it's not really "personal life stuff" since it's a question based on his Creator Thumbprint, which is readily apparent in his works.

But yeah, just a dumb, dumb question.

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supernintendo128
Medium:
01:12:51 PM 16th Apr 2014
Define "Natter" for me.
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Century
01:12:33 PM 16th Apr 2014
Conversation in the Main Page would be what you're looking for.
SeptimusHeap
01:12:51 PM 16th Apr 2014

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XSpectreGreyX
Medium:
09:15:40 AM 16th Apr 2014
edited by XSpectreGreyX
So on the Batman Beyond page, Troper/Ozzie removed some entries because they are from the Batman Beyond comics based on the series and not from Batman Beyond itself. The edit reason was that they belong on their own page. Except that kind of is their page. So should the deleted entries go back up? If they don't go there, where should they go?
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Fighteer
moderator
09:15:40 AM 16th Apr 2014
That is their page. Subpages are shared among works with the same title, unless you hard split them and make the primary one a disambiguation. So he's incorrect.

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valozzy
Medium:
08:06:09 AM 16th Apr 2014
So I was looking at DyingMomentOfAwesome.Real Life, and I noticed by some of the examples that there are numbers in brackets similar to The Other Wiki. Why is that, and if they are from the The Other Wiki, is there anything we should do about it?
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Fighteer
moderator
07:38:17 AM 16th Apr 2014
They are a potential indication of plagiarism, so should be checked.
SeptimusHeap
07:38:36 AM 16th Apr 2014
Some material on that page is plagiarized from Wikipedia, apparently.
AnoBakaDesu
07:41:20 AM 16th Apr 2014
There's about 3 entries that have those brackets.
valozzy
07:41:26 AM 16th Apr 2014
edited by valozzy
Yes, the examples are copy-pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_on_a_grenade
Fighteer
moderator
08:06:09 AM 16th Apr 2014
Should we hammer that article entirely? It seems sort of dodgy for a Real Life section, even if it is complimentary rather than critical.

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randomsurfer
Medium: Live Action TV
07:33:50 PM 15th Apr 2014
edited by randomsurfer
This was mentioned in passing by a commenter on a ykttw but I'd like a definitive ruling. Does a Made-for-TV Movie example get listed under "Film" or "Live Action TV?" The commenter (whose name escapes me, as does the ykttw it was commented in) said Film but that doesn't make sense to me - it was made FOR TV so I'd think it'd go under TV.
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SeptimusHeap
01:47:52 PM 15th Apr 2014
Film. Live Action TV is for series, really.
Fighteer
moderator
01:50:47 PM 15th Apr 2014
The major difference between Film and Live Action TV in media categories is length, not broadcast medium. Strange, but that's how we do it. So they would be categorized under Film.
Madrugada
moderator
01:56:20 PM 15th Apr 2014
Not so strange, really. A movie has generally 90 minutes or more in one clump to tell the whole story. A series has multiple, generally 30 to 60 (really 24 to 48, allowing for commercials) minute segments and they must be written in a way that each of those segments can be watched at a different time, separated from the ones on either side by anywhere from a week to nearly a year (Yes, I'm looking at you, HBO) if you don't time-shift or wait for the DVD and binge. So the pacing and conventions are different. That's not getting into ratings and watershed, and scheduling.
randomsurfer
07:33:50 PM 15th Apr 2014
Well I'd disagree, but I guess it's pointless to do so. Thank you for the info.

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Catbert
Medium:
12:51:48 PM 15th Apr 2014
Is anyone still using Sandbox.Parental Fear for anything?
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SeptimusHeap
12:51:48 PM 15th Apr 2014
It's part of the Adult Fear TRS. I came across it when I swept through all sandboxes to see for those which could be cut, and I left that one alone.

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Discontent
Medium: Anime
08:08:23 AM 15th Apr 2014
edited by Discontent
Az Tech 341 returned an incorrectly used and non-YMMV trope at YMMV.Kill La Kill, despite the removal reason being pretty clear.
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FastEddie
moderator
08:08:23 AM 15th Apr 2014
Moved it the Anime/ article and PM-ed Az Tech 341. Which are, by the way, things you could do, too. :)

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TrollBrutal
Medium:
06:26:08 AM 15th Apr 2014
edited by TrollBrutal
I'm sure this editor means well, but he keeps ignoring spoiler policy despite the notes and messages, abusing square peg round trope and sinkholes and seems impervious to counsel.

One example
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Fighteer
moderator
06:26:08 AM 15th Apr 2014
Ugh, popping him again for a chat.

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Discontent
Medium:
07:55:33 PM 14th Apr 2014
edited by Discontent
Ecclytennysmithylove keeps adding Needs More Love to several different anime shows. Pretty much all of which are Zero Context Examples, or don't even count at all. He's done this in the past as well.
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DracMonster
08:42:32 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
Anyway, I think he's confusing it with Needs Wiki Magic Love.

He... keeps doing things wrong. He'll get tapped for that thing and then do something else wrong instead. It's not exactly malicious but he seems to have a serious shortage of common sense. And these monomaniacal tears he goes on means the wrong thing gets spread to a bazillion pages in short order.

While banning seems overly harsh here, I'm not sure how else to curb this.
Discontent
07:55:33 PM 14th Apr 2014
edited by Discontent
Eccly messaged me a bit ago — you're right in that he's not malicious, he definitely seemed friendly enough. He does have the wrong idea about what Needs More Love means, because he thought Elfen Lied counted for it because only half of the manga was adapted into the anime.

I've sent him a message back explaining what it actually means, so hopefully I can get him to understand.

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AnoBakaDesu
Medium:
07:38:15 PM 14th Apr 2014
Looking back, I feel we need something to promote newer formatting policies on a widespread fashion, just so we don't have to report every single policy violator and needlessly burden the moderators with something that could have been avoided.

The following policies:

Need a major push, and should be way more pronounced in Administrivia.How To Write An Example, of which I believe is simply not promoted enough by itself.
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SeptimusHeap
12:41:45 AM 13th Apr 2014
I note that a lof of people who get reported are for repeat offenders and those who don't want to improve after being asked.

There was a suggestion to expand the Natterfy button to cover several topics besides natter, but it's been asleep for a while.
DracMonster
10:03:36 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
A lot of these people are ignoring "Don't do that" warnings embedded right on the page they're editing. In some cases they delete the mod note.

I'd be all in favor of raising awareness, but like Sep said, a lot of these people are willfully blind until the mods personally smack the stupid out of them.
desdendelle
11:46:33 AM 13th Apr 2014
Yeah, but I've seen my share of confused newbies (I was one, too, though I didn't go far enough to merit a whack). Raising awareness is good, as is the suggestion Septimus mentioned.
crazysamaritan
12:20:38 PM 13th Apr 2014
There's also sending the tropers a PM before reporting them, with the link to the article in question. I've found most tropers don't mind it, so long as you're friendly.
StFan
02:00:36 PM 13th Apr 2014
True. For example, I've been PM'ing plenty tropers who've recently added a wick to a work without the namespace when the Main/ redirect had already been deleted, to raise awareness to this problem. So far, I've only got positive responses, most thanking me for bringing this to their attention. (There was one troper who asked the why of this policy, which I responded to the best of my knowledge.)
AnoBakaDesu
07:54:29 AM 14th Apr 2014
I don't know. Maybe send a mass PM redirecting to Administrivia.How To Write An Example and urge everyone to read it in its entirety? For the newly registered users, it should at least be the very first page they visit.
FastEddie
moderator
07:38:15 PM 14th Apr 2014
There is a tech wishlist item underway to send first-time editors to page they need to click through to get to the article editor. That page will do what it can to lead the horse to water.

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PPPSSC
Medium: Western Animation
06:13:06 PM 14th Apr 2014
I forget, should animated short films such as the Pixar shorts go under "Western Animation" or "Animated Film"?
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Larkmarn
11:16:04 AM 14th Apr 2014
Animated Film.
crazysamaritan
03:15:49 PM 14th Apr 2014
I usually see films - animated
Candi
06:13:06 PM 14th Apr 2014
It's easier on the folder alphabetizing and keeping things straight to do the Film -Animated thing. Either way, it won't go under Western Animation.

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PistolsAtDawn
Medium:
12:47:43 PM 14th Apr 2014
Hi, two questions:

1. How many examples should a trope have before it's divided into folders rather than juat the labled types [[AC: LikeThis]]?

2. Do we have too many varients of "Fantastic Trope" Like Fantastic Arousal and Fantastic Racism? I want to create Fantastic Slice Of Life for stories about daily life in fantasy land but I want to be sure we aren't discouraging those.

Thanks!
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SeptimusHeap
09:42:26 AM 14th Apr 2014
  1. I prefer to use folders always - unless the page has too few examples, period.
  2. No, because "fantastic" is just an adjective here. There is no "ideal number" of adjective usages.
Fighteer
moderator
09:47:18 AM 14th Apr 2014
What Septimus said.

You should prefer to use folders as a default, rather than add them later when categories get too large.

The issue with repeated use of phrases in trope names is more related to the snowclone epidemic than any particular dislike of repetition. As long as it's not trying to play off another trope name as a kind of in-joke, it's probably okay, assuming it satisfies other naming policies of course.
PPPSSC
09:59:54 AM 14th Apr 2014
We already have Mundane Fantastic. Does that cover what you're thinking of?
FastEddie
moderator
11:40:25 AM 14th Apr 2014
edited by FastEddie
A Slice of Life story might be in any setting/subgenre. I'm not sure we need a separate article for each. Historical Romance Slice Of Life, Alternate Universe Slice Of Life, Cyber Punk Slice Of Life and so on. Could what you want to say about fantasy re slice-of-life be added to the Slice of Life article?

Hmm. Maybe there is a case for SliceOfLife/Fantasy, if there are similar subtropes for genres/settings.
PistolsAtDawn
12:47:43 PM 14th Apr 2014
^^Didn't know about Mundane Fantastic, it might' be what I'm looking for? I'm honestly a little confused by it's description, but I'll check.

^H-hi Fast Eddie-sensei! I actually intended Fanastic Slice Of Life to include all of those. Basically anything that is about daily life in an out-of-the-ordinary setting. Like Gone with the Blastwave, about daily life in a post-apocalyptic dystopia. But I'll look more closely at what tropes we do have before I do anything anyway.

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SamCurt
Medium:
11:23:35 AM 14th Apr 2014
If I just look at the lead and the Laconics, then the difference between Ascended Fanboy and Promoted Fanboy is the former is strictly In-Universe while the latter is Real Life. However, why would there be a "Fictional Examples" section in Promoted Fanboy? Shouldn't that belong to Ascended Fanboy?
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Fighteer
moderator
07:00:54 AM 14th Apr 2014
That folder is definitely a misuse, and all examples in it should be transplanted (or removed if they're duplicates).
SamCurt
11:04:09 AM 14th Apr 2014
Nearly all transplanted (with one moved into the correct media folder in the same page)— but except one example what I can't ascertain the media. Can somebody help?
SeptimusHeap
11:06:51 AM 14th Apr 2014
It's about a TV series of that name.
crazysamaritan
11:11:32 AM 14th Apr 2014
SamCurt
11:23:35 AM 14th Apr 2014
Thanks all for the help! All transplanted, folder deleted, note put on top of examples.

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Viira
Medium:
07:34:08 AM 14th Apr 2014
Ren has some problems with grammar.
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AnoBakaDesu
07:34:08 AM 14th Apr 2014
Redirect them to this thread.

Also, I smell spoiler policy violation in some places.

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DracMonster
Medium:
07:08:00 AM 14th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
User TiggersAreGreat created a crapload of stub videogame articles with copy and paste. He's had no activity for a while so I assume he was booted at some point. Anyway, I've been cutlisting the worst of them.

Should I remove the few redlinks or leave them in case someone wants to make a proper article? They are mostly simplistic edutainment games that frankly could probably be pooled together (IE: all the Sesame street games could probably go on one page)
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Fighteer
moderator
07:08:00 AM 14th Apr 2014
He was banned a while back.

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emeriin
Medium:
07:04:24 AM 14th Apr 2014
From all the capslock, same Single-Issue Wonk and similar name, I think spongebutt is the same as buttprankster.
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DracMonster
08:27:12 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
...Man, how did you figure it out? I mean, his skill in subterfuge is right up there with a three-year-old covering his eyes and going "Nyah nyah, you can't see me!"
Fighteer
moderator
07:04:24 AM 14th Apr 2014
Yeah, it's him. Nuked and reverted a bunch of edits.

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crazysamaritan
Medium:
06:02:01 AM 14th Apr 2014
edited by crazysamaritan
Need some opinions here: Main.Rat Pack

Some similarly-named pages are in the Creator/ Name Space, while this page is in Main/ and marked as a Useful Notes.

The page tells about the main actors that were involved in the group, and the primary form of entertainment the group provided (Nightclub Acts) is not something we have many work pages for.

What should happen to the page? I'm thinking a move to the Creator/ namespace and pagetype, but I want to collect some opinions in this rare case.
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FastEddie
moderator
06:20:25 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by FastEddie
Rat Packs, though, are a trope. They show up all the time. I'll take a look to see if that is not clear from the article.
crazysamaritan
08:44:30 PM 13th Apr 2014
Okay, so now we don't have a page for the original Rat Pack, not really, and I'm not sure what a "Rat Pack" is, other than an All-Star Cast.
DracMonster
09:01:22 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
I did some checking of the related tab, I think it's being used almost entirely to refer to the Trope Namer, rather than as a trope in its own right.
FastEddie
moderator
09:10:46 PM 13th Apr 2014
Well, that can be fixed. It is not important for us to have a history lesson about the Rat Pack. That is Wikipedia's job. They are of interest to us only insofar as they exemplify a pattern.
DracMonster
09:18:22 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
A name change might be in order? Since it's not propagating as an actual trope. I think the Sinatra-specific associations of the name are probably hampering it, based on what I saw on wicked pages.

ETA: Also, it seems like the Rat Pack could be a valid Useful Notes page. They certainly impacted media in ways relevant to our mission. (The references on the site seem proof enough.)
crazysamaritan
06:02:01 AM 14th Apr 2014
Which is why I presume the page was tagged as a Useful Notes. They are also of use to us as creators (imitated several times), but I am not familiar enough with them to know what they've done aside from Oceans11.

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harryhenry
Medium:
11:11:55 PM 13th Apr 2014
In the edit banned/suspended thread, several mods said that general examples "are not allowed on the wiki." Shouldn't this be included in the rules? Or is it in there and I just missed it?
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Candi
11:11:55 PM 13th Apr 2014
Administrivia.How To Write An Example. Keep It An Example: "Making a blanket statement on the behavior of '70s Live-Action TV may be interesting information, but it technically doesn't add anything new as an example. If you feel the information is important, then add it to the description (or the Analysis subpage) instead of the examples. Examples are about specific works and instances in them; the description is the general behavior of the trope."

It is kind of tricky to find. I initially found it by wandering around.

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AnoBakaDesu
Medium:
08:31:15 PM 13th Apr 2014
This YMMV page seems to be a trope misuse. Should I cutlist it?
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Elbruno
08:31:15 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by Elbruno
Not only is this a YMMV page in a creator page (something not allowed), but its only entry is a completely different YMMV being forced into something else.

Yeah, I say cutlist that thing.

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StarSword
Medium:
06:32:00 PM 13th Apr 2014
Can I say "Thank you, Eddie" for fixing the \\ tag so it works in YKTTW?
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FastEddie
moderator
06:32:00 PM 13th Apr 2014
:)

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OldManHoOh
Medium:
06:25:21 PM 13th Apr 2014
A creator, um, "deleted" a page for a work they say they created.
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shimaspawn
moderator
08:00:53 AM 12th Apr 2014
I took care of it. Thanks for the report.
DracMonster
12:31:03 PM 12th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
But, but... t'is a silly page, really.

Some edit reasons just boggle my mind.
StFan
02:07:55 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by StFan
Whenever something like this happens, don't hesitate to point the troper towards The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
Deadbeatloser22
moderator
02:40:07 PM 13th Apr 2014
Couple that to the fact that they never even touched the page before, and...
ryanasaurus0077
06:25:21 PM 13th Apr 2014
...and he's just hung a vacancy sign on his ass, and Fast Eddie's foot, as well as those of the mods, are looking for a room.

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DracMonster
Medium:
06:19:31 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
No Problem With Licensed Games is on Sugar Wiki, and it's obviously for gushing, but it's not marked YMMV.

Is this an oversight? Because The Problem with Licensed Games is YMMV.

ETA: I assume it is, since it's mostly on YMMV pages for works, but there's some main page entries to be migrated,
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FastEddie
moderator
06:14:53 PM 13th Apr 2014
All Sugar Wiki is YMMV.
DracMonster
06:16:24 PM 13th Apr 2014
Hokay, a little cleanup project to take care of then...
FastEddie
moderator
06:18:10 PM 13th Apr 2014
I added it to the Audience Reactions index, which should flag it as YMMV.
DracMonster
06:19:31 PM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
Ok good, I was going to mention it's not showing up as wrong on those pages.

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Lukethehedgehog
Medium:
05:41:03 PM 13th Apr 2014
Okay, so why is the Analysis page on the "Analysis" namespace instead of "Main"?
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SeptimusHeap
11:18:28 AM 13th Apr 2014
I guess "historical artifact". I would support moving it to Analysis.
Lukethehedgehog
11:55:52 AM 13th Apr 2014
Anyone else?
Telcontar
moderator
12:19:41 PM 13th Apr 2014
Sounds fine to me.
Lukethehedgehog
12:26:18 PM 13th Apr 2014
Okay, so can we change it?
SeptimusHeap
12:27:52 PM 13th Apr 2014
I can do so (you left out a few steps when you did it), but I would like to see one or two more supporting votes.
Lukethehedgehog
12:38:58 PM 13th Apr 2014
Okay.
crazysamaritan
01:16:15 PM 13th Apr 2014
Then I will share mine. I'm fairly sure that the majority of the namespace tropes are housed in the Main/ namespace since it is, ya'know, the Main trope namespace.
Lukethehedgehog
02:11:38 PM 13th Apr 2014
Okay. Anyone else?
StarSword
05:41:03 PM 13th Apr 2014
Agreed.

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Withoutaname
Medium:
12:39:55 PM 13th Apr 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctj-RDbTBMU

What device is used wherein the scene starts zoomed in and then pans out to reveal a mundane activity? For example, a CGI visualization of a bunch of circuits running (with attendant dramatic music) zoomed out to see a simple computer booting up. Commonly used as advertisements.
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SeptimusHeap
12:39:55 PM 13th Apr 2014
I don't know, but Lost and Found might.

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kingoflocks
Medium:
10:42:29 AM 13th Apr 2014
ROCEJ IS BEING ABUSED SORT IT OUT PEEPS
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DracMonster
08:15:43 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
So.. which ban evader is this? At first I thought Nate but there's not enough exclamation points and frowny-faces. He put a slightly more coherent rant on the ROCEJ discussion page, btw.
Fighteer
moderator
08:58:10 AM 13th Apr 2014
It's sonicthecat.
SeptimusHeap
09:35:25 AM 13th Apr 2014
<Sigh> Another in the "persistent evader" roster?
FastEddie
moderator
10:42:29 AM 13th Apr 2014
bounced

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MyFinalEdits
Medium:
10:41:04 AM 13th Apr 2014
I'm not an expert in quote guidelines (I myself never added any), but one of the latest edits in A-Cup Angst enlarged way too much the top quote, almost completely taking the height of the image at the right! I'm sure not all of that dialogue is relevant to ilustrate the trope.
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TrollBrutal
10:38:19 AM 13th Apr 2014
Hell yeah, it was absurdly long before too if you ask me. If the quote is unable to illustrate the point in 3-4 lines tops, then it's time to find a better quote... or no quote at all. No placeholder is better than a terrible one.
FastEddie
moderator
10:41:04 AM 13th Apr 2014
Zapped it.

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TrollBrutal
Medium:
09:00:28 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by TrollBrutal
This editor continues to have problems with Wall of Text, digressions / irrelevant natter, third bullet points and the like, and is unaware of the badness, going so far as to defend there are no rules against that, as can be seen here in this little edit-war. I tried to point out some of this in the past, to no avail, as did others.
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ryanasaurus0077
02:20:38 AM 13th Apr 2014
Billy Dee, China called. They want their wall back.
RevolutionStone
02:43:56 AM 13th Apr 2014
Agreed that that is problematic. Unfortunately, Dumbass Has a Point: there is no rule here requiring that examples be short. We try for clear, concise, and witty, but that's a guideline and not a hard and fast rule because sometimes one of the three needs to be sacrificed for the other (e.g. when conciseness drains the clarity and wit to make a Zero-Context Example that belongs on a laundry list, it needs to be a lower priority, and when wit turns something into an unclear and long inside joke, it needs to be a lower priority)

It's just too bad this guy isn't bending the guidelines for any kind of good reason. :(
TrollBrutal
02:51:12 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by TrollBrutal
Well, the mods may state that Clear, Concise, Witty is more than a guideline, the thing here is that there's no need to keep adding stuff to an example just because you can and There Are No Rules against it -which is not true, there are several wiki standards beyond being polite and the invoked The Troping Code-, because the info ceases to be "context" and becomes a recap of the narrative, in any case exceeding what the trope in question covers.
RevolutionStone
02:55:02 AM 13th Apr 2014
Agreed, and I'm not really in the fandom in question. I'm just saying, sadly enough, he has a point even if it's buried in all the stupidity :(
Elbruno
05:11:33 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by Elbruno
Yeah, those edits haven him covering way more than necessary, many times with a wording that makes the examples sound (I'm not a follower of the show in question) like the information in them will be irrelevant in a short while.

Bending the rules for his advantage won't do him any good. Rules Lawyers get the same treatment as regular bad editors as far as I've seen.
DracMonster
08:28:01 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by DracMonster
We don't have hard and set rules precisely so the mods can ban stupidity at their discretion without getting bogged down in pedantic arguments.

It allows them to just say "because I'm in charge here" to cut short BS.
bwayrose7
08:50:02 AM 13th Apr 2014
I was actually just about to post a query here about when it is or isn't okay to condense someone's Wall of Text examples. For instance, the Silas/Qetsiyah Vampire Diaries example on this page. Is it alright for a troper with knowledge of the examples in question to condense, or should they just be left alone?
Elbruno
08:57:56 AM 13th Apr 2014
edited by Elbruno
Of course. People have no ownership over their entries. If you see something wrong with an example, like misinformation or a wall of text, you go and fix it, no questions asked.
Fighteer
moderator
09:00:28 AM 13th Apr 2014
We'll call him in to chat. Feel free to "reduce" his work.

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