• 6 Mar 22nd, 2018 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Mar, 2018 07:34:43 AM
    There are work pages for That Obscure Object of Desire as well as the most recent winner of the Foreign Language Film Oscar, A Fantastic Woman. However, both are under their original foreign-language titles, Cet obscur objet du désir and Una mujer fantástica. Isn't that a no-no? Reply

      They are both written in poor English, so I'd assume the page creators are from the countries in question and aren't aware of the official English titles, which the wiki uses (most recent official English release) — e.g. if you look at the works with pages of Pedro Almodóvar, only 2 use their Spanish titles, for the reasons that Volver has only ever been released with that name to all nations, and that La Piel Que Habito was released in the US as The Skin I Live In, but was released in the UK and Australia afterwards with the original name, so its most recent English release had that (Spanish) title

      Update: both were made by Breakermorrant, I've sent a pm about English, but their troper page lists a lot of pages they've made with the original French/Spanish/Italian title rather than English and with varying levels of English proficiency... (Though I'm not sure if Il deserto rosso was ever released with an English title, but that's just one. They're doing a fantastic job of chronicling the biggest and best of European cinema, and I'm not averse to moving/cleaning the pages myself.)

      One of the pages, L'eclisse, was made at Film/Leclisse, instead of Film/LEclisse, so it (and its many subpages) needs to be deleted and recreated.

      ...and now they've removed the English titles etc. I added to Leone d'Oro, undoing everything but the English corrections in description, and pm'd me about changing their pages.

      So I've been messaging with Breaker Morrant and, well, they are saying that my reason for changing their pages being because their English is poor is just my opinion and that they don't believe there can be a policy on using English titles for work pages. It seems pretty fruitless.

      They're doing a fantastic job of chronicling the biggest and best of European cinema

      Yeah, I didn't feel great about starting this inquiry.

      For those wondering if English titles being preferred is official policy: it's stated on Administrivia.How To Create A Works Page under "What if it's a foreign work with a non-English title?").
  • 1 Mar 22nd, 2018 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Mar, 2018 07:16:07 PM
    Not certain, but isn't pretty much everything on the Fridge page for Mission to Mars more Headscratchers than Fridge content? Reply

      historically, fridge and headscratchers were lumped together. so, probably. a lot of pages have Fridge content that is HS or even WMG
  • 10 Mar 15th, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Mar, 2018 10:32:45 AM
    • Lantern Jaw of Justice: Played with. He's a space tyrant with a god complex, but he still features a well defined jawline that you'd see on the various heroes to illustrate he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist meant to be a Foil to the good guys.

    • Well-Intentioned Extremist: This version of Thanos is driven to stop what he believes will eventually become an apocalyptic Overpopulation Crisis. By using the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe half of intelligent life, he'll be saving the other half from using up their natural resources faster than those resources can be replenished.

    • Freudian Excuse:
      • The majority of his species died after an Overpopulation Crisis led them to use up all the natural resources on his homeworld of Titan. Thanos believes it's his duty to stop such a tragedy from ever happening again... even if it means wiping out half the universe to save the other half.
      • He was also ostracized during his childhood due to his genetic deformity, which played a major role in shaping his personality.

    • Adaptational Heroism: In the comics, Thanos is a Death worshiper who killed half the universe as an offering to his "love". In the MCU, Thanos is a true Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes killing trillions is a necessary evil to "save the universe from itself" and protect trillions more from resource wars, overpopulation, and permanent environmental damage to their own homes.

    Where has this information been coming from? I have not found any sources for this anywhere other than this site. I'm tempted to say this might be fake, as the movie hasn't come out yet for starters. Reply

      the trailer and a related statement have just been released, might be from that?

      Some of this info comes from a recent interview with Josh Brolin regarding Thanos and his motives.

      Which is all Word of God, and not yet confirmed to be in the work.

      Yeah, still a bit early to see how villainous this version of Thanos will be. I say remove them, for now at least, and open a discussion on them, but I suggest this cautiously because I am concerned someone could Edit War on this.

      And someone already added the information back. Oh boy.

      Well, it was a likely candidate for a two week lock anyway

      For the record, the page with this is Characters.MCU Cosmic - Thanos' Forces, and the history page is here.

      Not only were they added back, they were added back by the user who changed them to what they read as here, ashlay. Said user did leave a link to interviews with Feige in the edit reason to explain, but now it looks like we are in an Edit War here.

      Because of the kind of page it is (popular fandom, big movie, info release), I wouldn't worry so much about the edit war and just give it a pre-emptive lock without adding info until after the film's release (and then maybe keeping the two-week lock for reactions to settle down) to prevent lots of warring edits over interpretations of Word of God without actual canon evidence.


  • 1 Mar 15th, 2018 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 15th Mar, 2018 10:30:44 PM
    Hey, everyone. In this troper's humble opinion, the 2016 horror film "The Monster" directed by Bryan Bertino and distributed by A24 deserves its own page. I've been trying to figure out how to make a page, but for the life of me I just can't seem to wrap my head around it (I know, I'm dumb). The film features tropes aplenty so I'd think it should be a worthy addition. Reply

      First your not dumb and shouldn't beat yourself everyone needs help sometimes

      There is already a page for a film called The Monster so it should be made at The Monster 2016, to start the page click on the link and click 'Edit Page"

      We have a guide at How to Create a Works Page but the basics for a page are a paragraph of description then add ---- (four hyphens) to create a horizontal line and underneath it, add a header that says !! ''The Monster'' contains examples of: and a lastly three fully fleshed out examples as bullet points with asterisks

      That's enough to start a page which you can add stuff as you think of it

      You can also start a rough draft of the page at Sandbox.Melancholic Monkey and once you think it looks right, you can transfer it to the new page
  • 5 Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 14th Mar, 2018 06:25:51 AM
    Is a minimum amount of works required before giving a Fan Works index page? Someone made a FanWorks.Charlie And The Chocolate Factory page with only one entry, which was red at the time it was first posted.

    EDIT: Also when did fanfics get transplanted from a fanfiction page to a fan work page? o.o Reply
  • 1 Mar 9th, 2018 at 1:01AM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Mar, 2018 06:20:54 AM
    There is a movie (late 70s) possibly Disney, where a kid inventor wales up by an alarm clock that has a string attached to his toe that tugs him awake. He goes downstairs for breakfast and eats a piece of cake. This is the only thing I can remember from the entire movie. What is it? Reply
  • 1 Mar 8th, 2018 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Mar, 2018 11:23:35 PM
    Looking for a trope, totally can't find it...although maybe it's named something funky that doesn't sound like what I'm thinking of.

    Fairly frequent in comedies...imagine someone who is getting ready for something they don't usually do; maybe it's a first date, maybe they've come from a foreign country and are trying to fit in, maybe getting ready for a job interview, whatever.

    So they go to a clothing store—or maybe their own closet—and start trying on outfits. And, with backing pop music, they keep stepping out wearing something new, and their friends keep miming horrified faces—no speech!—until FINALLY the dork gets it right, and everybody nods and thumbs them up.

    This was VERY frequent in the 80s; not so sure about today. Got a name for that? I can't find one. Reply
  • 1 Mar 7th, 2018 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 7th Mar, 2018 12:24:32 PM
    The Fridge.Gods Not Dead page is full of natter and ROCEJ violations. Which ones, if any, to keep? Reply

      At the very least, the Fridge Horror section looks like it should be axed entirely since it's just complaining about the religious beliefs promoted by the movie.

      EDIT: The sequel's Fridge page also has an example that's literally just someone complaining about the movie existing.
  • 1 Mar 6th, 2018 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 6th Mar, 2018 11:15:15 AM
    Hey! This is maybe a bit too niche or maybe I've just made it up. But I swear there's a troupe in horror and sci fi where someone gets left in a school or a laboratory alone and then the baddie/serial killer/monster comes out. It's usually led up to with a kind janitor saying 'well, I'm just about done, you OK to lock up?' or something like that. I'm looking for examples. I guess the main troupe is using a minor character to show the audience the main character is alone in the building. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! Reply
  • 2 Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2018 03:33:19 PM
    Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels harry & barry 's introduction tropes Reply

      Do you have a question? Are you trying to report something?

      He may be trying to talk about the tropes in the synopsis of Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels. Said synopsis uses tropes rather than giving an explanation on the work.

      Commenting out some ZCES on that page.
  • 1 Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2018 11:01:53 AM
  • 1 Mar 2nd, 2018 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2018 06:47:48 AM
    In the Mad Max: Fury Road section under Artistic License – Medicine, someone has posted that AB+ blood is a universal donor for blood plasma. Blood plasma does not contain coagulation inducing antigens. AB+ is not any sort of universal donor for anything. AB+ is a universal recipient, meaning they can receive blood from nearly any blood type. Without blood cells, anyone can receive plasma from anyone. Reply

      If it's factually inaccurate, fix it. :-P
  • 4 Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2018 01:46:45 AM
    What's the protocol to update the picture with the release date? Do I need to go through some steps, notify someone, or can I just update it? For clarification: RDJ just got Marvel to move up the release date for IW from 5/4 to 4/27. Reply

      I just checked, and ashlay's already done it. I don't know enough about the picture approval process to comment on that part, especially since it's just the same image with some slightly altered text.

      Could be covered under a "quality swap", just in this case the quality is the accuracy of the information.

      Wait a minute... I think that date is either for the red carpet premiere or the film's UK release.

      This kind of change can be done as a regular edit.
  • 1 Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Feb, 2018 08:47:45 PM
    There once was a trailer i watched when i was a kid i believe it was back in 2012 or 2013 all i know is that in the trailer i saw a kid and his parents playing the ps vista and 2 guys with guns go in and try to rob them, but all of the sudden its the zombie apocalypse so basically the family has to decide whether they trust the guys with guns or try to survive the zombie apocalypse. Please i have been looking for this for a while. Reply

      You should keep on with old query in YKTS rather then Ask The Tropers, this is for questions about the site
  • 1 Feb 24th, 2018 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Feb, 2018 02:52:24 PM
    Guys I need help!! My boyfriend had seen a horror movie when he was younger but he doesn't remember the title and he really wants to rewatch it. He told me a little bit about the plot so here it goes. A group of friends go to a forest to find something( actually not sure about what they were doing there) and a guy was after them. He killed every single one of them but one girl managed to escape and run (full of blood) towards the road where a lady picked her up and helped her. They stopped in a gas station to call the cops. There was a cop there and told the lady with car that she shouldn't make fun of this day which was actually the day the massacre had happened (in the forest). Then the lady looked back in the car and the girl was gone. That is all the info I have! Take into consideration that the movie Ruins isn't the one (we checked). Thank you in advance ;) Reply
  • 4 Aug 28th, 2015 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Feb, 2018 04:47:06 PM
    More Dethroning Moment of Suck shenanigans, this time from the films page. CaptainEquinox's entry for Mars Attacks! says that the bit at the beginning with the burning cattle stampede made him get up and leave. That's it. He provides no context as to why he felt the scene was so bad to make him stop watching. All he does is pothole to Screw This, I'm Outta Here!.

    It's not in the rules for the pages, but something tells me you're not supposed to do this. It recalls a Zero-Context Example. Should I cut it wholesale, simply comment it out until he decides (if he decides) to come back and elaborate, or do nothing? Reply

      The common process with Zero Context Examples is to comment them out, and send the person who put them up an issue notifier. I have done this for you this time.

      Although, considering you already linked to the Zero-Context Example page, which incidentally has what I just said already written on it, I'm curious as to what exactly you thought you needed help with.

      To me, that sounds more like a Wallbanger than a DTMOS. Not sure that helps, though.

      ^^ I wasn't sure if we were supposed to delete vague or zero-context entries from DMOS.

      For the record, this was fine by me. I wasn't really sure if it belonged there or not and decided to err on the side of putting it in. These things are very subjective.
  • 1 Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Feb, 2018 09:28:22 PM
    Help!!! This show/movie is probably no later than 2008.

    Okay so it starts somewhat like this. A guy pulls up to a small gas station, where he sees a very attractive girl. She then invites him to a party at some big house later on that night. He arrives to the house but is skeptical to go in. As he's debating whether to walk into the party or not this scary werewolf dirty type human comes from around the house yelling and mumbling gibberish. He ends up being scared of the thing so he runs inside the house. He's now in the party (i dont remember much of what goes on in here) he meets the girl from the gas station who i think slips something in his drink that makes him very drowsy. She then admits to slipping something in his drink. He trys to ask the party guest for help but they suddenly all stop dancing because they were mannequins all along  except the girl and maybe like 3 guys who are trying to get him. He trys to run out the house but all the doors and windows are either shut or a guy is waiting for him. He finally escapes through the chimney rolls off the roof of the house, and he's extremely dirty and looks kind of like a werewolf. As he's coming around the front of the house he sees a young man at the front door debating whether he should go in the party or not. The werewolf looking dude realizes that the young man at the door is himself, ...So he runs towards him yelling and mumbling gibberish trying to prevent him from going into the party. The young man gets scared and runs inside..

    So this seems to be a never ending cycle, not sure if this was a movie or an episode (maybe like a goosebumps) but my guess is that it might be a show since i dont think it lasted longer that one hour. Thanks guys Reply
  • 3 Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Feb, 2018 02:22:51 PM
    So there's this entry on Film.Girls Town which I'm not sure what to do with.

    I know Famous Ancestor is supposed to be an in-universe trope (as in, the character is said to be the descendant of someone famous, not the actor), and I don't think this qualifies. The heritage of an actor isn't a trope because it's not a narrative device... It's really more like trivia... but Famous Ancestor isn't a trivia item, it's a trope and tropes aren't supposed to go on the Trivia page... so I'm not sure what I should do with it... leave it where it is? Move it to the Trivia tab? Delete it altogether? Should this go under an entirely different trope? Reply

      If the trope is specifically In-Universe, then it probably doesn't count. You can run it by the dedicated Is This An Example thread to be sure though.

      No, it's definitely a cut. Not only is it not a narrative device when looking at the entry, but Harold Lloyd and Charlie Chaplin aren't so ancient as to be called ancestors. Plus an actor's heritage has no relevance to the work in this case.

      Yep. Definitely cut.
  • 1 Feb 16th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 16th Feb, 2018 09:51:03 AM
    Is there a trope about keyholes in ancient and yet scientifically advanced "caves" where only a certain artifact put in it will perform a certain action? It happens a lot in adventure movies and tv series, I guess, but I couldn't find anything about it so far. Reply
  • 2 Feb 16th, 2018 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 16th Feb, 2018 08:48:11 AM
    I've often seen it in movies where a character is set to give a speech in front of an audience maybe for an award he doesn't really deserve. He starts it and then looking over the audience he realizes he can't go on with saying his speech, says "I can't do this" and decides to give a speech about the truth he's learned instead. I can't think of any examples though. Can anyone think of any? Thank you. Reply
  • 6 Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2018 07:38:11 AM
    James Stewart, George Bailey himself, one of 20th Century's most famous Hollywood actors. Billed as "James Stewart" in every acting job he had from 1935 to 1991, except for a TV show that briefly ran in the early 70s.

    His TV Tropes page is listed under Jimmy Stewart.

    Before I go to the Trope Repair Shop I'd like to take the temperature for support of a rename. Reply

      Note that James Stewart already redirects to Jimmy Stewart. That should make it a relatively easy switch.

      Do Creator pages need TRS, vs just consensus on the new name?

      As for consensus, if James Stewart is the primary name used, I don't have a problem with the rename.

      From what I can tell, both names are widely used, even if James is more common in actual movie credits. His museum in Indiana is called the Jimmy Stewart Museum, and it appears that he signed his name as Jimmy. There's also a Jimmy Stewart airport in Indiana.

      So...I dunno. Six of one, a half dozen of the other? I lean toward James, but I'm not as convinced that's correct as I was when I started looking into it.

      I'm equally fine either way, though for sentimental reasons (I grew up on his movies) I lean slightly toward 'Jimmy' because that's how I thought of him growing up. That said, if he's billed as 'James Stewart', that seems like the more correct title to me.

      even if James is more common in actual movie credits

      It wasn't just more common, he was always billed as James Stewart. The only time in his whole career he was ever billed as "Jimmy" was on The Jimmy Stewart Show, a sitcom that ran for one season 1971-72.

      It looks like there's a "tie" or just as good a reason to keep as there is to switch. The current title has more inbounds and more wicks, though the redirect's numbers are nothing to sneeze at. Maybe just put it on a single prop crowner to see people's general opinons?
  • 8 Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Feb, 2018 08:34:48 PM
    I am concerned about the contributor Apocrypha . They are making a number of edits promoting the Rylo ship, and deleting/shouting down contributions suggesting a negative or even a merely neutral stance. Reply

      Please provide links to the pages where this person is doing this. It'll help moderators and even the more knowledgeable tropers to discuss over this person, either here or privately.

      Seems to be scattered around a bit. Here's the edit history: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Apocrypha

      First example of a possibly ship-heavy trope, and maybe an edit war and/or rudeness:

      • Hates Being Touched: Rey actively dislikes when Finn tries to hold her hand twice while running, and is not pleased when he uses her head as a support in the Millennium Falcon. She grows to move past this, taking the initiative by hugging Finn near the end of The Force Awakens and offering her hand to Kylo Ren so they can touch hands, or as much as they can via Force-bond in The Last Jedi.

      Someone else removed the entry, citing a hug occurred in TFA. Apocrypha re-added it with the edit reason "So just note it was a piece of character development. No need to delete the whole trope"

      This person clearly has a personal bias/shipping bias towards Reylo. And both personal bias and shipping bias are not allowed here on TV Tropes—primarily because shipping is ugly. So this person definitely needs to be talked to about their blatant biases.

      ^^ The Hates Being Touched entry is on Characters.Star Wars Resistance Heroes.

      They didn't add that trope OR the spoiler, but they did readd the whole thing. It's at 2, and it takes 3 for an Edit War threshold.

      I may PM them and the user who deleted it here.

      Ah, my apologies, in my rush to get one link I completely neglected getting another.

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.TheLastJedi - a No Yay addition about the two was deleted and the poster chided.

      I sent them a PM asking them to come to this thread.

      I'm here.

      I hardly think re-adding a trope that was about a trait of Rey's character, not her relationship to Kylo, counts as shipping bias—the edit was about her relationship with Finn, even. And like jameygamer said, not only did I not put the spoiler there in the first place, it didn't escalate into an editing war—if the other troper had tried to delete it again, I would have PM'd them to talk or opened a discussion. My comment in the edit reason wasn't intended to be rude, but a critique of why the troper deleted it completely, and for that I apologize.

      As for the No Yay, the entry was not very descriptive, only claiming the Ship Tease 'didn't help'. Didn't help how? Obviously liking a ship or not is subjective, but that's not what the trope is for. It's for suggestive material that either makes 'the average fan' react in disgust, or has unnerving undertones. The average look around reviews will show most either being neutral or positive towards the ship, and TLJ removed what made the ship controversial for most (namely, the potential incest).

      My intention was not to be zealous—heck, I've added back things for 'opposite ships', like Finn/Rey moments in the heartwarming page. Most of my serious editing on the 'shipping' front was done back when the TLJ pages were a huge mess. When Word of God started confirming several matters, such as Kylo's intentions, I added mentions of them to clear up confusion.
  • 1 Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Feb, 2018 02:59:12 PM
    a show about a kid who i intressted in mysteries and treasure huts (sort of) who dissappeares. then it is up to his family like his grandpa to faid him, any ideas?? Reply
  • 3 Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Feb, 2018 12:40:52 PM
    Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :) Reply
  • 1 Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Feb, 2018 10:07:44 PM
    I cant remember the name of this show. It had a family, dad, mom, grandparents and kids. Dad lost his job. Mom did some work from home and also she got pregnant in her late 40s or early 50s and they named the little one Ruby (i may be wrong). Dad worked his garage, he opened his own business. One of their sons fell in love with some random girl, got married and divorced. Other son got married to a nurse who died in a car accident. Please help. Reply