• 4 Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:09AM
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    Lastest Reply: 18th Nov, 2017 08:11:47 PM
    I was mostly wondering because I was vaguely thinking of starting one for Life is Strange, but it's an Episodic Game with 5 "episodes" (plus 4 in its prequel and however many end up being in its sequel next year), so I don't know if that actually follows the intent of the namespace. Reply

      Nothing needs a recap page, but if it's episodic then you can make them should you wish

      I think the only time you're not supposed to make a recap page is if you're making pages for individual chapters, like someone once did for the ''Harry Potter'' series.

      Alrighty then, I'll go ahead and start drafting some recaps.

      Just to check, the correct format for titles is "Recap/LifeIsStrangeEp0XEpisodeTitle", right?

      Usually. Length is the usual problem that caused abbreviations.

      If you're not sure, you can make the initial draft in the Sandbox namespace to iron out any wrinkles.
  • 8 Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:07PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Nov, 2017 04:12:13 AM
    Compactwave and mrbits are edit-warring over posting Ultra Sun and Moon examples on Sun and Moon's YMMV page, particularly on how the former looks in light of the latter and US/UM fixing or exacerbating problems the vanilla versions had. The edit reasons are also getting fairly nasty too. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.PokemonSunAndMoon

    Since it's multiple tropers I wasn't sure what to do about it. Reply

      Bringing it up here is a good start.

      When the edit war is resolved, remove all examples pertaining to Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon; those games have their own YMMV subpage, and thus should go there.

      They honestly shouldn't be listing anything about how US/UM compares to Sun & Moon because the former's not even been officially released yet. Everybody's going off the reactions to leaks, which is against the rules.

      ^ Mario Odyssey's subpages had leaked stuff listed before the game came out, and tons of other pages/character pages also have US-UM stuff. I think a problem is that a lot of info was released in the trailers to the game, especially postgame content.

      Bringing both of them in.

      I feel it's too premature to determine whether "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny applies to the original Sun and Moon or not in light of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. We should wait a few months after USUMs' release before making that judgment.

      There's a big difference between officially released trailers with too much information, and very unofficial leaks.

      We're merely a few hours away from the release date. There are definitely vendors out there who broke the street date, but it's not worth locking a page for this short of a timespan.

      Unless the edit warring gets out of hand. (Crosses fingers)
  • 2 Nov 14th, 2017 at 7:07AM
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    Lastest Reply: 14th Nov, 2017 08:33:05 AM
    Would someone please make Nightmare Fuel article for Watch Dogs 2? I have seen video about so-called Shuffler mystery. Reply
  • 2 Nov 13th, 2017 at 12:12PM
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    Lastest Reply: 14th Nov, 2017 06:43:46 AM
    I'm a bit worried that the Troper Isaac Heller is adding story related spoilers from Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon to various pages, but I don't want to spoil myself from this aspect, so I'm not willing to check his edits. Reply

      A cursory scan of his recent edits shows one or two Ultra story spoilers, the ones I saw were minor character related ones. Namely, on the Pokémon Sun and Moon, Pokémon Villain: Team Plasma, and Pokémon Villain: Team Skull. There may be more.

      I will also note that troper Monolaf 317 is also adding story spoilers for Ultra on the above Team Skull page.

      Now, most of the spoilers being added are properly formatted as spoilers, but do we want any of them available before the games even come out?

      "pre-release leaks are at least highly discouraged, if not actually banned" - Fighteer, not even a month ago

  • 2 Nov 13th, 2017 at 7:07AM
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    Lastest Reply: 13th Nov, 2017 07:39:42 AM
    YMMV entries are just that, but there is one in particular entry in Fire Emblem Warriors that's bugging me:

    • Most Annoying Sound:
      • "They're in trouble - we've got to help!" anytime your units are damaged. Expect this to crop up in the later levels.
        • Actually, pretty much any of Anna's System Voice lines. "I like those profit margins!" Yes, we know, you've only said it 50 times already. note 

    That 3rd bullet point feels like it doesn't belong because any character can be set as the System Voice. Should it be removed or at least re-worded to be more neutral? Reply

      Remove it on the basis that it's Word Cruft and natter. And the second-bullet paragraph should be a first-bullet one (alongside the trope's name; as it stands, it's violating Example Indentation).

      Oh there's more than one entry so it isn't violating indentation. I simply didn't quote the other points.

      Thanks.
  • 1 Nov 11th, 2017 at 11:11PM
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    Lastest Reply: 12th Nov, 2017 01:06:04 AM
    I was checking out the CharacterDerailment.Video Games page and noticed a lot of the examples, particularly for Mario and Sonic, seem to be 'this character changed over time', 'this character underwent flanderization', or 'this character's personality/competence varies by the game' rather than 'this character was ruined forever by bad writing.' Reply

      Yeah, some of those definitely come across as misuse based on the trope description.

      More cleanup...
  • 1 Nov 11th, 2017 at 5:05PM
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    Lastest Reply: 11th Nov, 2017 05:52:33 PM
    I'd like some other people to work on the Shall We Date?: Destiny Ninja 2 page (since I don't think I'm finding everything I could, and I don't have all the characters up yet). Where would I say "hey, this page exists and it needs attention?" Reply
  • 6 Nov 8th, 2017 at 7:07PM
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    Lastest Reply: 10th Nov, 2017 06:28:26 PM
    On the Super Mario 3D World page, is Rosalina being playable considered a spoiler anymore? Some examples spoiler them and others don't. Reply

      Hmm. At some point for most works, I think spoilers become time-release. I've never played the game, so I wouldn't know.


      Probably a simple intro line saying "examples on this page will contain Late Arrival Spoilers" will suffice.

      The way I see it, it's not as it was revealed in a trailer that was released before the actual release of the game.

      A Late-Arrival Spoiler is when the trailers, merchandising, and other officially released information spoil a secret. If that character's presence in the game has not been featured in any official ads or the like, then I'd say that we ought to consider it a spoiler.

      Edit: After double-checking the page, yeah, it's a Late-Arrival Spoiler. Nintendo didn't care enough to not spoil her presence in the game before they released the game, so they probably considered it more like a reward at the end of the main story rather than something to keep a secret.

      So, un-spoil all references to her?

      Sorry, I wasn't exactly explicit in what my opinion was. I think there should be a line saying "Examples on this page will contain Late Arivial Spoilers," and if it's necessary, you could also include a sentence explaining Nintendo revealed that spoiler before the game was ever released.
  • 7 Nov 9th, 2017 at 7:07AM
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    Lastest Reply: 9th Nov, 2017 08:04:54 PM
    There's been a small Edit War on the Sonic Forces page over how the ending should be interpreted (spoilers for Sonic forces):

    After Infinite is defeated, he's teleported away against his will and afterwards Eggman, despite his ultimate weapon disappearing suddenly, is rather smug in his demeanor about the situation, which implies it was his doing after Infinite's failure and repeated screw ups throughout the game.

    After this, Eggman appears in his Death Egg Robot powered by an overclocked Phantom Ruby. At this point in time, only two Phantom Rubies are known to still exist: the one in Infinite's chest and the prototype model that the Avatar has DNA bonded to them, and thus cannot be used by anyone else. Expanded universe materials show Eggman still possesses the original one from Mania, but there's nothing given in game to suggest this is the one he's using in his mech.

    I interpreted this as meaning:

    Eggman performed a You Have Failed Me on Infinite, and somehow took the Phantom Ruby embedded in his chest back to power his final mecha, as while not explicitly stated, as far as the game's story acts, Infinite's Phantom Ruby is THE Phantom Ruby and it's only from expanded universe materials and DLC that the audience could even know it's a copy of the original, and nothing in either source suggest Eggman was using the original. Further more, Eggman acting smug when Infinite only makes sense if he was responsible, as otherwise...he's acting smug when his ultimate weapon vanished into thin air, and that makes LESS sense.

    However, the other troper involved believes this is two speculative to mention and has repeatedly erased my entries despite me expressed explaining my logic in both comments and P Ms.

    Here is the explanation they gave: " According to the supplementary comics, eggman just found it outside his base. why it showed up 6+ months before classic sonic did, nobody knows. why it now needs a power supply, nobody knows. sonic team didn't really think this game's story through. He found the original one outside his base, researched/experimented with it, and then made a lot of prototype copies of it (with the perfect one going to Infinite) while he kept the original. I don't think Sonic Team even understands how this game connects to Mania. They just kind of... disregard it."

    And

    "Eggman has the original who's fate is unknown. It may need more power or send it and Eggman to another dimension for all we know. Infinite obtained a perfect copy of the Phantom Ruby. Avatar obtained the alleged last remaining prototype."

    If I am wrong, I accept it, but I feel like it's not 'speculative.

    Furthermore, the posts concerning this have even been deleted on YMMV pages such as entries involving Fridge Horror, which I do not feel is fair as YMMV are expressedly subjective in nature and if only two Phantom Rubies exist, it is fair to apply Fridge Horror to the idea Eggman may have disposed of Infinite to retrieve it on the YMMV page. Reply

      I tried reading that but the wall of text collapsed and injured me. Can you summarize in a couple sentences?

      Basically:

      By story's end, only three Phantom Rubies still exist, the one in Infinite's chest, the Avatar's, and the original both were copies of, as Infinite explicitly destroyed the other prototypes onscreen. Eggman is using one of those in his mecha.

      The Avatar's can't be it, as it's DNA locked to them and will only work for them.

      The story does not even acknowledge Infinite's Phantom Ruby is not the original, and it's only DLC and expanded universe materials that explain it, as far as the main story is concerned, Infinite's Phantom Ruby is THE Phantom Ruby.

      Immediately before, Infinite is teleported away against his will with Eggman acting smug about it. Eggman then shows up inside a mech powered by a Phantom Ruby.

      The logical interpretation is it's Infinite's and Eggman performed a You Have Failed Me, but the other side of the edit war says it's 'too speculative' and has deleted every single edit pertaining to it.

      Edit warring and deleting YMMV items, outside of very specific criteria, is right out. Guy needs a tap.

      This is what discussion pages are for. You can discuss the example there.

      I tried. I also tried P Ming him. He just kept copying and pasting his comments from deleting the entries.

      It's worth noting that the dudes deleting the entry are Sonic Sol Snake and Horus, our same friends from this other ATT query.

      Also, in the stage immediately following Infinite's defeat, Tails is tracking the Phantom Ruby. IE, you're following Infinite's Phantom Ruby signal, and it leads to Eggman's final mecha. So yes, the game all but says that the Phantom Ruby inside the Death Egg Robot is Infinite's.

      That sockfarm has been squashed. Feel free to correct the article(s).
  • 2 Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:08PM
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    Lastest Reply: 7th Nov, 2017 08:17:47 PM
    Since review copies are in the wild and someone's going to inevitably leak the game, I think it would be a good time to lock the pages for Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Reply

      Game's already been datamined. Lock needs to happen now, especially on character pages.

      Weren't the pages already locked?
  • 1 Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:08AM
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    Lastest Reply: 7th Nov, 2017 08:01:45 AM
    Will someone who has played the game please edit the NFS Payback trope page? I made a few additions, but I haven't played the game myself. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/NeedForSpeedPayback

    Reply

      Please link to articles you're talking about. I have no idea what this means.
  • 4 Nov 5th, 2017 at 8:08PM
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    Lastest Reply: 6th Nov, 2017 05:10:33 PM
    There's an edit war going on in Fate/Grand Order: Lancers. I've tried to pull the examples in question to discussion and even sent a PM telling Disorder what would happen if he didn't talk it out, but he has no interest in doing so.

    Okay, I thought he was going to discuss things, but now he's acting like this so I'm not going to engage with him. Reply

      "You're pretty dense, aren't you." Aaaand that (besides the rest) makes it a personal attack and a #1 rule violation on top of the war.

      He needs a shoulder tap, badly.

      Also the comment about asking if Jesus sucks dicks for food stamps. An interesting expression, though I have no idea what it means.

      "Did Jesus ever suck dick for food stamps?"

      I don't even know what this is supposed to mean but either way it's clear that he's being mean spirited. Someone ought to tell him off.

      Calling them in.
  • 4 Nov 1st, 2017 at 3:03PM
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    Lastest Reply: 2nd Nov, 2017 04:50:11 PM
    There's a new troper that has been removing examples in Wolfenstein II's Nightmare Fuel page regarding the real life reactions to the game and its marketing. I found their reasoning very dubious, both in the page's history and in its discussion page. Would anyone take a look and see if that needs solving? Reply

      Page in question: Nightmare Fuel.Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus.

      Irrose put in a null edit warning the user to take it to discussion next time.

      I'd asked about it before and the viewpoint taken was that "it's real-life troping, which isn't kosher as Nightmare Fuel is a RLREP page" and so they should be deleted.

      Nightmare Fuel clean-up can be discussed in the dedicated projects thread (courtesy link).

      Also, there's no reason to call this troper a Nazi. Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, good faith editing, etc.

      You're both edit warring besides.

      Name calling runs afoul of the #1 rule. Don't do that. And don't edit war. Take it to discussion.
  • 4 Oct 31st, 2017 at 3:03PM
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    Lastest Reply: 31st Oct, 2017 11:32:22 PM
    Why is she not deemed Pure Evil? Reply

      My guess if that this question would probably do better in the Trope Talk forums.

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=0000000000000000000000vy

      If you're talking about Complete Monster, which Pure Evil redirects to, you need to ask in the Complete Monster thread.

      The CM cleanup thread is here.

      There. You should be able to get help on Ultimecia there. You can't post a CM entry for her without consulting that thread.

      Also, make sure you search to see if a discussion on her has happened before.

      The short version is PE/CM characters have to be vetted, or too many people shoehorn in whoever they don't like.
  • 2 Oct 25th, 2017 at 7:07PM
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    Lastest Reply: 30th Oct, 2017 06:04:29 PM
    So, why was the Xenoblade page moved to Pages in Accidentally Miscapitalised Namespaces – First Half? and is it safe to recreate or will it forever be in that section? Reply

      Go right ahead and recreate under the correctly spelled namespace; be sure to move the content from the sandbox to the new page.

      It seems that someone beat me to the punch. Eh, it's back correctly
  • 1 Oct 29th, 2017 at 9:09PM
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    Lastest Reply: 29th Oct, 2017 09:28:30 PM
    The NightmareFuel.Wolfenstein II The New Colossus has some meta moments near the bottom that might not fly, especially the most recent one that just seems to be fear-mongering. Reply
  • 1 Oct 29th, 2017 at 2:02PM
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    Lastest Reply: 29th Oct, 2017 02:46:30 PM
    I want to add a Nightmare Fuel section for Marvel VS Capcom Infinite but I can't find it under the trope creation section. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcomInfinite How do I add such a thread? Reply
  • 1 Oct 28th, 2017 at 9:09PM
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    Lastest Reply: 28th Oct, 2017 09:29:15 PM
    I have played Crash Bandicoot games since I was a kid, and out of all the Crash bosses I fought, N.Trance from Crash N Tranced was by far the hardest. I tried a lot of ways to easily avoid his attacks and backfired and in the last stage, he has no pattern. I died 40-50 times trying to beat him Reply

      This is a wiki, which means you can always add it yourself.

      Make sure it's not there already, and please refer to this page for advice on writing an example.
  • 10 Oct 24th, 2017 at 11:11PM
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    Lastest Reply: 27th Oct, 2017 02:59:47 PM
    Why is the one in Xbox One in all caps? All the things I've seen that talk about the console have it as "Xbox One", not "Xbox ONE". Reply

      Where are you finding that? I don't see it as Xbox ONE.

      I think someone Wiki Worded it so it's not all caps, but it is in the url, and on Save the Light's page.

      According to Save the Light's history, you changed "XboxOne" to "XboxONE"; that will make it display as "ONE". If "One" is the official spelling/capitalization of the product, just change the "UsefulNotes/XboxONE" wick back to "UsefulNotes/XboxOne".

      To elaborate, the wikiword system doesn't care how you camel case the link. So UsefulNotes.Xbox One, UsefulNotes.Xbox ONE, and UsefulNotes.Xb Ox On E will all lead to the same page but the url will match how the link was written.

      Oh, whoops! My bad. The Trivia page for Xbox One still has the one in all caps, though.

      Edit: and I just found that the one is in all caps if you go to a page from the index and back to it.

      Bump.

      The only way to fix an article that's improperly capitalized at the database level is to cut and remake it.

      I know that. I'm asking if there's been any articles or something that refer to it as "Xbox ONE". Also, I think there's a weird thing going on with the pages, anyway. The Trivia tab has it as "Xbox ONE" while the main tab has it as "XBox One".

      That indicates the article (Trivia.Xbox One) is improperly capitalized at the database level.

      Shouldn't we be custom titling the "wrong" capitalization before the cut? That way, XboxONE will display as "Xbox One".
  • 7 Oct 26th, 2017 at 3:03PM
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    Lastest Reply: 27th Oct, 2017 11:50:37 AM
    Would Merlina's count as Affably Evil or Faux Affably Evil? Reply

      Can you give context?

      What do you mean context?

      https://www.google.com/search?q=context&rlz=1C1AZAA_enUS764US764&oq=context&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61.1350j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

      context: the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

      You haven't explained a single thing about Merlina. How are we supposed to know what you're talking about?

      In this case, how would Merlina be considered Affably Evil or Faux Affably Evil? What does the character do? How do the other characters react?

      Merlina loved the kingdom her grandfather Merlin had created with all of her heart; from the winds that made the meadows dance, to the flowers by the wayside, to the melodious songbirds.

      After learning the grim fate of her world, Merlina became filled with sorrow, giving her a nihilistic outlook on life; becoming totally convinced that everything in the world doesn't last forever. She had made it her desire to create an everlasting kingdom, Merlina believes that her crimes were necessary, believing that any manipulation was the end that justifies the means, and the sacrifices were for the greater good.

      To the people around her, Merlina was a kind, yet strong and wise soul with a strong sense of compassion and every bit of good intention for her kingdom. When showing her true colors, Merlina would show herself to be calm, cold, and ruthless in achieving her goals (the latter case was shown where she would berate and then beat Sonic for disagreeing with her goals, despite the two initially being allies).

      After her defeat by Excalibur Sonic, Merlina would return to her old self when Sonic tells her that the brilliance of life is knowing that it will end, and that she should value the time they have.

      With that in mind, I would assume she is either Affably Evil or none of those two; she is a Well-Intentioned Extremist, yes, but even those aren't always going to be Affably Evil.

      Well I asked the people at Villains. Wiki and they didn't respond, they just changed it to Faux Affably Evil even though they're comments showed they didn't know her
  • 10 Oct 24th, 2017 at 11:11PM
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    Lastest Reply: 26th Oct, 2017 09:38:50 AM
    YoshiDude260's only major contributions were to post unmarked Super Mario Odyssey spoilers days before the game is released.

    Also their edits are very nattery. Reply

      They are also poorly formatted.

      Aren't moments pages Spoilers Off though?

      Yes, they are.

      Yeah, other than poor formating, he's done nothing wrong.

      He posted the spoilers on the 23rd when the game comes out on the 27th though, and originally an endgame spoiler was at the very top of one of the pages.

      Is that a problem? Unmarked spoilers are allowed on moments pages.

      Is there a rule regarding leaks?

      You shouldn't be visiting Moments pages if you care about spoilers, period. That said, pre-release leaks are at least highly discouraged, if not actually banned.

      I think prerelease spoilers might fall under TVT's #1 rule since it's kind of rude to post them, even on spoilers off pages.

      My thinking is it's not (yet) a situation where anyone can theoretically pick up the work and view it for themselves, having full power to decide on waiting or spoiling. Meanwhile, they may want to visit the pages to view or add examples from former works, so they'll run right into the spoilers for the unreleased work.

      Looking over YoshiDude260's edit history (is there a notifier to send for excessive use of exclamation points?), I noticed something on the TearJerker.Super Mario Bros page - not something added or even edited by YoshiDude260, but entries I'm not entirely convinced are pertinent to the page.

      Specifically, the entries for the deaths of Bob Hoskins (who played Mario in the Super Mario Bros. film) and the main actors and, in some cases, voice actors from the 1980s cartoon series. None of them died especially young (if not especially old either) or under tragic circumstances; the entries just seem to focus on the fact that they have died. Which is obviously true, but it doesn't seem to merit mention on a page about sad moments from fictional media in which they appear. I mean, why not put a similar entry for Bob Hoskins' death on the audience reaction pages for Pennies from Heaven, or The Long Good Friday, or Brazil, or Who Framed Roger Rabbit, or... you get the idea.

      Should the entries for actor deaths on TearJerker.Super Mario Bros be axed?

      I believe that goes under troping Real Life people?
  • 1 Oct 26th, 2017 at 12:12AM
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    Lastest Reply: 26th Oct, 2017 02:53:50 AM
    I have a question about the entries Meiwakuna Boku has been adding to the various Final Fantasy XV pages, especially those regarding Prompto Argentum. Basically, that there are a lot of them, to the point that it comes off as disproportionate gushing or character focus; the Tear Jerker page is full of such entries, to the point it comes off as microanalytic for things that many would regard as only mildly sad. The quality of the prose entries themselves are not egregiously poor in isolation, but given these patterns, Is this kind of behavior kosher or does it stray too far away from neutrality?

    From my interactions with other people in the FFXV fandom I've incidentally become aware that Prompto is known for having a rather infamously passionate fangirl following, one which others have criticized for what they consider playing up how tragic and important to the narrative Prompto actually is, and pushing Fanon interpretations of him that beatify him into a Purity Sue, Sympathetic Sue, or Black Hole Sue at the expense of disregarding canon characterization and minimizing or even demonizing other characters.

    More saliently, I've already edited or deleted a few of their entries in the past, occasionally because it strayed a bit into what came across as character bashing for Ship-to-Ship Combat reasons, but usually because of objective misuse of tropes for what seemed to be personal Fetish Fuel, e.g. describing Prompto in ways which play up his status as a Distressed Dude using terms which implied a certain kind of vulnerability despite the game canon suggesting and later explicitly confirming them to be inaccurate, musings about whether he was molested by the main villain, bringing up the popularity of rape fanfictions involving Prompto and the villain when not entirely salient to the trope description, and numerous and detailed entries about instances of supposed Ho Yay for the character in particular which read more more like heavy Ho Yay Shipping and Shipping Goggles than "legitimate" instances of ambiguity in the source material.

    I understand that the point of many of these pages is that it is subjective, and what I consider to fail the test of impartiality, someone may consider valid and obvious as day, or just having a bit of harmless fun, and that I'm being too strict. And there's nothing wrong with people gushing about their favorites, but it's led to trope misuse, and as someone who's reasonably familiar with the source material it comes off as a tad excessive and fangirling. Reply

      First, you need to change that FFXV link you have, as it leads to a redirect page. Correct link is like this: Video Game.Final Fantasy XV.

      Second, the big one is a major edit regarding tearjerkers for Episode Prompto. I do believe TJ is an offshoot of YMMV, and thus far, I don't think there's much of an issue with the Prompto edits. The link to TJ is as follows: here.

      Maybe a PM to the user may help to see what's going on.

      Edit: OK, there may be a few eyebrow-raisers, but let's let him know in the morning.
  • 12 Oct 23rd, 2017 at 12:12PM
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    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2017 07:47:41 PM
    EDIT: Deleted the Mario Odyssey spoilers for now. Initially theyw ere not tagged at all and a lategame one was the very first entry. Reply

      haHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

      This is why I hate people.

      Pretty sure you just indirectly plastered a spoiler by posting this.

      Thanks. I haven't seen the page and I've already surmised what happened.

      The page itself is kinda lazily made too. Feels like someone just wanted to add the spoiler and added heartwarming moments afterward.

      Deleted the spoilers.

      Not trying to do Victim Blaming here, but you generally shouldn't read a work's page if you want the work unspoiled. Especially with our much tighter restrictions on spoiler-tagging these days.

      What are said restrictions?

      Handling Spoilers

      Rule of thumb is, if you've spoilered more than two or three words on a line you've spoilered out too much. We lean toward minimum possible use of spoilering these days. There was basically no way to usefully spoiler that line that would've been within our rules.

      I think a mod said in an earlier Ask The Tropers post that Awesome, Heartwarming, Funny, and Tearjerker pages should have unmarked spoilers. Can't find the exact post right now, but the assumption is that you really shouldn't read those pages if you don't want to be spoiled.

      I believe Tear Jerker pages are also inherently Spoilers Off.

      Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

      My thing is the game isn't even out until Friday, so why would somebody just post the ending unspoiled?

      (Same as the guy who posted the final battle on Youtube)

      Internet glory and/or to be a jerk to those that don't want to be spoiled. Self gratification is all the motivation they need.
  • 5 Oct 22nd, 2017 at 8:08PM
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    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2017 12:30:17 PM
    Troper mrbits deleted some stuff from Pokémon X and Y. He justified all his edits but I think some entries were wrongly removed. For example, he removed a entry which I made about the game performance under the broken base section:

    "The game performance. There are a lot of FPS drops, especially with the 3D effect and in horde battles. Critics often compare XY with other 3DS games, especially with The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds, which has a similar top-down perspective and runs smoothly in 60 FPS while having better graphics (and both were launch in 2013) and this game and others are proofs of the poor work of Game Freak in this game. Others say the low performance is acceptable considering the vast content of the game."

    He deleted it saying "broken base are for things that are loved or hated. Nobody loves framerate issues, smaller pokemon count, or the global link ending". I never said in my example people "loved" framerate issues. I said "some people find it acceptable" while others hate it. Correct if I'm wrong but broken base isn't just for "love or hate".

    Reply

      I don't think it's a valid BB entry, since I doubt anybody has actually defended the legitimately shitty FPS. (Seriously Smash 3DS runs at a pretty consistent 60 FPS, why can't this game avoid sub-20 drops when the models barely move and it's a turn-based game?)

      I feel the deletions are valid. Broken Base is for when the fandom is divided on certain aspects of a work, typically with one side liking it and the other side disliking it. It isn't for things that the majority of the fandom dislikes (see the Scrappy Index for a more appropriate trope for those cases). And as said in the entry, there is no Broken Base because nobody is in favor of the things that the Broken Base entries mentioned.

      So, do you think my example fits more into Internet Backdraft?

      ^That question is best asked in Is this an example

      ^^ As-written, no. You're not describing any sort of backdraft. You're listing a single complaint that some people had. Internet Backdraft isn't just a dumping ground for all of your complaints.
  • 1 Oct 22nd, 2017 at 1:01AM
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    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2017 02:23:12 AM
    Someone deleted my example of a funny moment on South Park: The Fractured but Whole's Funny page. We're debating as to why in the discussion page. I just need a third party to help come to a consesus. Link below.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Funny.SouthParkTheFracturedButWhole Reply

      I haven't read the discussion, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to delete other people's entries from subjective pages unless they're either shoehorned (such as if they're listed under a kind of Audience Reaction they don't actually fit) or if they're about real people.

      Edit: Just read the discussion (I just woke up a little bit ago) and it sounds like a Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment issue.
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