• 8 Aug 19th, 2017 at 10:10PM
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    Lastest Reply: 20th Aug, 2017 08:10:42 AM
    Deletions were made to Trivia.Mass Effect Andromeda by Spline Ticker that looks like it was removed in an angry rant. Should I restore them? Reply

      No, because none of that has any basis in reality. Do you see a Franchise Killer entry on every work that doesn't have a sequel released six months after it came out? No? Then it's just as stupid as that would be.

      All of that stuff is unsubstantiated garbage.

      We're not interested in agendas here. Righting Great Wrongs isn't an acceptable reason. I agree false information should be gone, but it should've been brought to discussion or handled in a far more reasonable manner. You're acting extremely angry over it and haven't given any proof it's incorrect. It needs to be talked about rationally. I'm all for pulling it to Discussion instead so we can do some research.

      I'm also wondering if maybe some of these could be somewhat problemsome in ways(flame bait, etc).

      It would not surprise me if that page (and, god help us, the YMMV page) need a cleanup for complaining - the game has a really peculiarly disproportionate hostility thing going on in general. But it should definitely be discussed, not done unilaterally.

      I notion to restore it (for now). It'd be better to get a neutral opinion on it, rather than one from an overzealous fan.

      The tweet from Hudson has said the franchise isn't going anywhere. The article itself said specifically for Andromeda, not the series in general.

      Can we get a check to see if Spline Tickler isn't our old "retakers are scumbags" friend? The agendaposting and vitriol seems awfully familiar.

      Is that the ban evader who always takes off anything remeotely negative about Mass Effect / EA Games?

      Whoever they are, suspensions have been issued.
  • 3 Aug 15th, 2017 at 10:10PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Aug, 2017 06:37:41 AM
    So today I learned pages stay on your watchlist even if they were cut. I found this out because Harrison The Troper 2 recreated Dwarf Fortress (which I hadn't realized had been cut) with no content but "community is important too". Reply

      It should probably be cut and locked. Even if the page has potential, Community is not a valid namespace. Kind of like what happened with Weapons.Destiny.

      Needs to be cut. Need input.

      Also, looks like the double post strikes.

      I've locked and re-cut the page.
  • 3 Aug 15th, 2017 at 10:10PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Aug, 2017 06:37:41 AM
    So today I learned pages stay on your watchlist even if they were cut. I found this out because Harrison The Troper 2 recreated Dwarf Fortress (which I hadn't realized had been cut) with no content but "community is important too". Reply

      It should probably be cut and locked. Even if the page has potential, Community is not a valid namespace. Kind of like what happened with Weapons.Destiny.

      Needs to be cut. Need input.

      Also, looks like the double post strikes.

      I've locked and re-cut the page.
  • 4 Aug 14th, 2017 at 12:12PM
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    Lastest Reply: 14th Aug, 2017 03:21:48 PM
    Hi everyone! What is the best way to deal with Self-Fulfilling Spoiler and Spoilered Rotten examples on character sheets?

    I've been working on the character sheet for the visual novel The Letter , and some of the characters' examples are inherently spoilers on their own. The most obvious examples are Character Death and Plotline Death for the characters who always die in the visual novel regardless of player choice. Currently for these examples, the trope name is visible, with the rest of the description spoiler-tagged.

    Some things I could do (not sure what is best):

    1. Do nothing.

    If the way this character sheet handles spoilers is fine, then I won't do anything else.

    2. Add an "Unmarked Spoilers" policy to the page.

    I can add an "Unmarked Spoilers" notice at the top of the character sheet, and simply un-tag all spoilers. Since the visual novel is plot-heavy, this might be a good idea.

    Besides the main page for The Letter is still spoiler-tagged, and people who want to avoid spoilers can simply read that.

    3. Remove those examples.

    The main page for The Letter already has a Killed Off for Real example, which AFAIK is already properly spoiler-tagged. I can just merge the examples from the character sheet into that one.

    Thanks! Reply

      Greetings! We do not have an ideal method to handle the issue; all the three solutions you mention are common but have drawbacks. I see you have a complaint for spoiler tag misuse; maybe the troper who sent it to you can make more advice?

      Thanks for the response!

      Currently, I'm learning toward option 2, since that seems to be what many Visual Novel character sheets have done. (See Dangan Ronpa , Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors , and several others.)

      I also asked the troper who notified me about the mishandled spoiler tags to comment on this thread. Hopefully, we can get their input here soon.

      If you're trying to spoiler out Character Death, then I think it only makes sense to do so on the works page, rather than the Characters/ page.

      On the Characters/ page, it is a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler and the page could either be made "Unmarked Spoilers" or the specifics could be spoilered out (with the information that this person dies in the story being unspoilered). Remember that it says in the description: "This marks it as one of the few Death Tropes that does not require a spoiler warning," so I don't think the portion of the example that says this character dies needs to be spoilered out on the Characters/ page.

      Moving the Character Death example to the works page and spoilering out the character's name (so long as it isn't still a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler) is a fourth option (it being the works page being significantly different from the Characters/ page).

      Got it.

      Originally, I had kept the death tropes on the main page only, but some of the editors were copying the examples to the character sheet anyway.

      Due to the Anyone Can Die nature of the visual novel, I'll probably add an "Unmarked Spoilers" policy to the character sheet after all.

      There's some spoiler clean-up that needs to be done on the main page as well; I can probably take care of it when I have time.

      If I come across any other problems, I'll probably put it on the discussions page.

      Thanks again!
  • 4 Aug 11th, 2017 at 10:10AM
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    Lastest Reply: 11th Aug, 2017 08:54:17 PM
    The page was cut because "This reads like a wikipedia summary of the games, and doesn't have any actual tropes." I know how to recreate it, is it okay if I do it the right way? Reply

      1. Do you have at least 5 tropes with context?
      2. Do you have an idea for an original description?
      If so, sure, you can do that.

      Actually, you only need three tropes with sufficient context.

      Yeah, 3 is absolutely necessary, but I would still recommend at least 5. Also, you can put the unfinished version on Wiki Sandbox. (Or one of its subpages)

      Sandbox.Cars Raceorama (with proper capitalization of course) is a good place for an under construction page. Just copy paste & cutlist to the Video Game page when you're ready.

      Piterpicher, please make sure to differentiate between personal recommendations and official wiki policy when advising inexperienced tropers. Otherwise we get massive confusion and avoidable screw ups. Yes, even with well-intentioned advice.
  • 0 Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:10AM
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    An extension of my previous query, I found some all white entries on Pokémon Black and White. Most of them are about N, Ghetcis and Team Plasma. I wonder if Black and White 2's existence renders these Plasma-centric tropes Late Arrival Spoilers? Reply
  • 2 Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:06AM
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    Lastest Reply: 10th Aug, 2017 06:54:50 AM
    the page says it was moved for wrong capitalization or something, i don't know what that means. what is wrong and how do i fix it? Reply
  • 6 Aug 2nd, 2017 at 5:05AM
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    Lastest Reply: 8th Aug, 2017 06:50:29 AM
    What's the policy for removing a dupe trope on a page? Punch Clock Villain appears twice on the page for "The World Ends With You" but both examples appear as if they would work as the one that should stay, so I don't know which one to delete. Reply

      Also, I don't know how to do links.

      For multi word tropes just put all the words together, so PunchClockVillain becomes Punch-Clock Villain. If it's a work, include the name space, so VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou becomes The World Ends with You.

      As for the duplicate entries, not sure on official policy, but what I've done is try to merge the duplicates into one if they're different enough and just flat out delete one if they're basically the same. The newer one if possible. Just make sure to include an edit reason stating why you're deleting.

      Re: links within this site: as mentioned above ^; and one-word Tropes and Work names you have to put curly brackets around: {{Trope}} and Namespace/{{Name}}. More info, including linking to other sites: see "Linking to pages" folder on Text Formatting Rules.

      Move the description of the duplicate to the one in the correct position. Format it like:


      Consolidate them if they contain different information; remove one if they're basically the same information; if one is noticeably better-written than the other, keep that one. Then make sure that trope is in the right place, in the list, alphabetically.

      In tthis case, the first entry is written better (for one thing, the second one is in violation of Examples Are Not Arguable) , but it's out of place alphabetically. Delete the body of the second entry, (which is in the right place in the list,) and replace it with the body of the first one. Then delete the first one from the list entirely.

      Edit: NVM, I changed it to the better one myself.
  • 5 Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:04AM
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    Lastest Reply: 4th Aug, 2017 01:22:28 PM
    Hey, I'm starting a page for a game that contains a collection of rather unconnected games within. Each game has it's own story and genre; you can only play these "sub-games" from within this game, Choices: Stories You Play. The only thing each game shares is gameplay style; apart that they are separate and have their own stories, characters, and work pages.

    I've googled "tv tropes game collection" but nothing contained what I appeared to be looking for. You guys have any ideas? Reply

      If you're asking for questions on how to format it, then it should be made under the Video Game namespace, and after the title of the game collection (So, VideoGame.Name Goes Here). It's basically the game version of a book anthology or poetry collection, which typically all go on the same page until there's enough content for an individual page for perhaps some of the minigames.

      i am asking what trope would define this kind of game.

      I dont think there is one, because it's Too Rare to Trope.

      You did say they were united by a gameplay style. If you mean, for example, that they're all platformers, then Platform Game would be the "unifying" trope.

      I believe that it is a Minigame Game.

      No, Choices is a collection of visual novels. Definitely not a minigame game.

      I agree, it's too rare to trope. It's not really all that much different from a normal series page, anyway.
  • 2 Jul 28th, 2017 at 6:06PM
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    Lastest Reply: 29th Jul, 2017 01:00:36 AM
    Because I took a look at Rabi-Ribi and there are not only ZC Es, but Spoiler markup covering trope titles and a character's name on their folder. Reply

      Well, some of that cleanup you can do yourself...

      Already taken care of. I don't need to re-iterate my usual rant about Characters/ pages being magnets for flagrant violations of wiki editing policies at this point, I'm sure.
  • 4 Jul 26th, 2017 at 6:06PM
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    Lastest Reply: 27th Jul, 2017 05:27:46 AM
    I'd like to fix up this page for Mystery Of The Druids, but it's improperly labeled as "Video Games" instead of "Video Game." Anyone have any idea how to treat this? Reply

      I don't think there's any way of fixing a namespace short of recreating the page in new namespace.

      In this case, that would mean copying all the content to VideoGame.MysteryOfTheDruids, then requesting for the original page to be cut.

      Fortunately, it's a new page with nothing linking to it yet, so it's not as complicated as it might have been.

      (Note for anybody who might come across this later and wonder why both links are now red: it turned out the namespace wasn't the only thing wrong with that page name, so it ended up at The Mystery of the Druids.)

      Via the ittyBittyWikiTools namespace index, Video Games, here are yhe other pages that need the same fix:

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=VideoGames

      Alright, I've corrected the stuff in the VideoGames namespace. Thanks for pointing it out.
  • 4 Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:02AM
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    Lastest Reply: 26th Jul, 2017 09:37:09 AM
    Is it ethical/accepted to add content related to a video game made by me? Obviously I wouldn't make an advertisement, but I still feel it might be frowned upon.

    So... what's the policy? Reply

      It is absolutely fine. I would not be surprised if it wasn't fairly common, in fact. Note that we frown on creators adding Audience Reactions items about their work, however.

      One thing to keep in mind: you don't get creative control over the works page. The Fic May Be Yours, But The Trope Page Is Ours.

      Objective tropes that anyone can verify? Go for it.

      YMMV tropes? Only if you're moving them from main to YMMV or correcting spelling grammar.

      YMMV tropes (as in, all YMMV things not on Audience Reactions) are problematic. They tend to involve a degree of audience response but don't qualify as Audience Reactions because they have in-story elements. Because of this, there is a bit more merit to authors adding them but it's to be done with care.
  • 12 Jul 23rd, 2017 at 4:04PM
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    Lastest Reply: 25th Jul, 2017 08:55:55 PM
    Specifically, I'm thinking of moving VideoGame.Story Of Seasons to VideoGame.Story Of Seasons 2014, with the intention of moving VideoGame.Harvest Moon to VideoGame.Story Of Seasons per our English name policy. Reply

      Uh, I'd hold on that if you haven't already began. See Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons are two different series now thanks to a messy tangling of rights between Marvelous Entertainment and Natsume. The previous Harvest Moon series was renamed to Story of Seasons while a new Harvest Moon series was created. I'll explain below.

      Originally Natsume published Marvelous's series in the west under the English name of Harvest Moon. But when Marvelous decided to have XSEED handle the series in the west, Marvelous couldn't keep the Harvest Moon name due to Natsume having all western rights to the name. Marvelous renamed their series in the west as Story of Seasons.

      Natsume had the name of Harvest Moon, but since they had no properties to make use of the name, they developed their own farming simulator/RPG under the name Harvest Moon. Messy situation, huh?

      That's exactly why I held off on doing that, because of the messy situation regarding the "rename." However, it's indisputable that Story of Seasons is the current official English name for Bokujou Monogatari (sp? On mobile, too lazy to check) and so we should be using it by the letter of the rule. It's the spirit of the rule that's the problem, and as I have said in the past, we don't want to be making moves nobody actually wants to make.

      Because of that very mess, the 2014 game should probably be year-disambiguated no matter what the series page is called.

      We technically don't have an Administrivia page to cover what the English name policy is and isn't, and considering how often it comes up on ATT, we might want to get one started.

      Well the pages from the renamed Harvest Moon will need to be moved, but we will need to come up with a plan first. The previous Harvest Moon series page will need to be moved to become the Story of Seasons series page. Old Harvest Moon pages won't need renaming because they can just be indexed on the Story of Seasons series page.

      After the moving/creating new pages dealing with old Harvest Moon and new Story of Seasons games, we will need to create a new series page for Natsume's new Harvest Moon series and index Natsume's new series there. We'll have to add a note on one or both series pages for those that didn't want a specific series but wanted the other series.

      I'm not sure how much effort this will take (since I haven't looked at wicks), but if it doesn't seem like it would require much work, somebody can spawn a project thread on this in Short-Term projects on the forum for coordinating and getting feedback on ideas. If it looks like a lot of effort will be needed, one will have to ask the Trope Repair Shop for help.

      I think a split would be better than a complete move, with the Marvelous series getting the Story of Seasons page (the first installment to bear that name should be moved to Story Of Seasons 2014) and the Natsume series getting the Harvest Moon page. The latter page should have a disambiguation note regarding the fact that the Harvest Moon name used to be used for the Marvelous series, and maybe the fact that Natsume still has the publishing rights to games made before the 2014 installment, as seen with the various Virtual Console rereleases.

      Honestly, it might be better to make Harvest Moon a disambig due to the inbounds (and the fact that anyone going to the page is probably looking for the old series) and put the new series at Harvest Moon Natsume or something like that.

      The franchise is largely recognized as Harvest Moon, and most of the games that have been made are under the former banner and are still being published by Natsume. The Story of Seasons games are better treated as a subseries until they outnumber HM, as a matter of usability.

      As much as I want to use that as an excuse not to move it, that's not our policy. Even The Other Wiki, which sometimes holds onto old titles far too long, switched over two years ago.

      In a couple days, barring moderator intervention, I'll go ahead with the first move (VideoGame.Story Of Seasons to ...2014), as that's entirely non-controversial.

      ^^ The Franchise/ namespace shouldn't be used here. That's only supposed to be used if a franchise has at least one page in at least three namespaces, such as how Super Mario Bros. has things like video games, a movie, cartoons, etc.

      Seems like a discussion for Trope Repair Shop, I think.

      It's about multiple related works, though. :)

      A dedicated thread in the forums to sort things out is a good idea.

      Edit: Originally made this post because I misunderstood another post; ignore it. If a mod wants to delete it, that's fine.
  • 0 Jul 24th, 2017 at 5:05PM
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    I dunno if Tropers.Bard Dracula is still formatting pages like this but I had to clean up the entire VideoGame.Klaus page as seen here.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.Klaus

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Klaus

    EDIT: Argh, it wasn't even indexed! Reply
  • 2 Jul 24th, 2017 at 4:04PM
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    Lastest Reply: 24th Jul, 2017 05:16:32 PM
    I was scrolling through some pages for video games and thought, hey, I bet there's a page for wing commander prophecy. So I checked and couldn't find one. So I googled and found this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/WingCommander . But that does not have any link to a list of tropes for wing commander prophecy and am wondering why not? Now it's been a long time since I've played the game so I've forgotten most of what it's like, but I would like to see a trope page for it, if enough people would be willing to fill it up with them. Reply

      Looking at the page, it already has tropes for Prophecy; they share a folder with Secret Ops.

      oh, ok, I missed that somehow, thanks.
  • 2 Jul 20th, 2017 at 3:03PM
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    Lastest Reply: 24th Jul, 2017 08:50:26 AM
    Looking at the UnbuiltTrope.Video Games page I notice a lot of Pokemon entries that don't seem to fit, and Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM (and most 'classic' FPSes still use the mechanics they invented, like scrounging for health. Modern FP Ses also use historical settings frequently, and what tropes are being unbuilt are had to find.

    Also this whole thing is kinda inaccurate. " Team Rocket was the first of several villainous "Teams", antagonistic groups that come into conflict with the player over the course of their journeys. Unlike their successors, they are portrayed dead seriously (while most grunts in future games are played largely for laughs), they are not involved with the Legendary Pokémon in any way (though adaptions did make them responsible for Mewtwo), all their operations are criminal in nature (compared to the more cult-like/terrorist organizations that followed them), and, while they are defeated before you can get all 8 badges like most Villainous Teams, their story doesn't end there; the final Gym Leader is their boss, Giovanni. "

    I'd say a case could be made for Team Rocket in that their plans never get to start due to the player's interference, unlike later villainous teams who keep on trucking until the player defeats them after the plan's gotten to critical levels. Reply

      The Doom example doesn't exactly refer to first-person shooters as a whole, but rather to a specific reputation the early FPS-es began getting in the early 2000's, exemplified by the Genre Throwback first-person shooters such as Serious Sam, Painkiller or Strafe. Namely, the belief that Doom and its kin basically consisted of walking forward through repetitive environments and casually killing huge hordes of stupid enemies with tons of blood and guts flying around. The example points out that the gameplay in Doom differs quite a lot from, say, that of Serious Sam.

      The entire Pokémon example seems to be less "Unbuilt Trope" and more "Early Installment Weirdness."
  • 5 Jul 20th, 2017 at 4:04PM
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    Lastest Reply: 21st Jul, 2017 12:57:38 PM
    There's a slight Edit War going on on Trivia.Super Mario Land, and the second removal of the one trope on the page has left it blank. I don't want to do anything until we get some sort of opinion on the matter. Reply

      For those who haven't read the page, what happened was that Abodos deleted a What Could Have Been entry back in 2013 because it was too speculative and not about scrapped content. They did not add an edit reason and this left the page blank. Twentington added the entry back in 2014, unsure why the page was blanked. Abodos deleted the entry again a few months later, clarifying why they did so. The page has left blank since 2014.

      Honestly it's been so long ago, I don't think its that big an issue. Either a Trivia entry can be added to make sure it actually has content, or the page could be cut-listed until a proper entry can be found.

      I misread the dates.

      If you don't think the deleted example works, then it's way past time to cutlist it.

      Bump.

      It's not an example of What Could Have Been, no reason for the page

      It can be recreated later should any other trivia items be found in the game.
  • 0 Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:08AM
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    Due to the... odd spelling of the game's title, the page VideoGame.Whoa Dave needs to be moved to VideoGame.Woah Dave. I haven't actually done a page move before so I'm not sure about the best way to go about it.

    EDIT: Never mind, it only seems to have 8 wicks.

    DOUBLEEDIT: Wicks cleaned. It looks like VideoGame.Whoa Dave had some inbounds, but I'm not sure if there's enough to warrant keeping the redirect. Mods, Cut List if necessary. Reply
  • 1 Jul 17th, 2017 at 8:08AM
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    Lastest Reply: 17th Jul, 2017 08:18:40 AM
    The Narm page claims it's allowed on YMMV pages but when I check out the Metal Gear page it claims it's Flame Bait and should be kept off the work pages. Why is this? Reply

      That last seems to be an error, as Narm is on the Audience Reactions index, not the Flame Bait index.

      Edit; Ah, I see. The Narm namespace is hard-coded for the Flame Bait banner. This means that the parent seems to be the problem. I'll bring it up to see what the proper setting is.

      Edit 2: It is not hard-coded, actually, as I created a test page and indexed it without it getting one. So at some point there was a decision to give all Narm subpages the Flame Bait banner and a mod or mods went through and set them all.
  • 2 Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:06PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Jul, 2017 06:56:58 PM
    The End Is Nigh page (the video game) is super lacking. As in ITS ONE SENTENCE LONG! Reply

      Link 'cause it was missing: VideoGame.The End Is Nigh.

      Well, it has tropes. It's a UsefulNotes.Steam game... So I'm gonna add it to that index... I dunno if we link to the Steam page... Is that too advertizey?

      Hmmm, description is really anemic. Let's focus on polishing that.
  • 8 Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:05PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Jul, 2017 02:16:21 AM
    I'm getting a bit annoyed. It seems like every time I try to edit the character page for The Last of Us, any changes or examples I add are either deleted, commented out or re-edited, many times seemingly instantly after I post them. Admittedly some of them may have been misuses, but I'm getting really mad. I recently removed the page from my watchlist due to both the frustration and the desire to avoid potential spoilers from ''The Last Of Us Part 2", but I went back to add more examples (which will likely get removed too) and saw more things removed. Off the top of my head, here's what was revised (examples are paraphrased SPOILERS AHEAD):
    • Berserk Button: Joel has a tendency to get pissed off when someone asks about his past before the infection, particularly his dead daughter Sarah (this one was admittedly a misuse in hindsight, since the trope doesn't apply to situations that would reasonably anger someone, and Joel would reasonably not want to talk about such a painful memory and Ellie was intentionally pressing him about it)
    • From Nobody to Nightmare: I pointed out Joel's rise from average, working class single father pre-outbreak, to reckless hardcore survivalist with a body count likely in the triple digits. David's group openly runs away from him rather than fight him after having killed dozens of their men. It was removed due to being "for villains only" even though a) it clearly says on the trope page itself "that being a villain is not necessarily a requirement for this trope, even though most who fit the trope are. Anyone who is feared or dreaded by someone (even if the "someone" in question is the cruel and tyrannical government that the heroes oppose) can qualify." and b) Batman is listed as an example. Not to mention that Joel is, at best a Nominal Hero.
    • Older Than They Look: It's a bit hard to believe that Ellie is fourteen. Joel even asks if she's 12 when he first meets her. (She "looks that age to me". Though I do have a problem guessing the ages of children because I have always been younger than I look, I was 6 ft tall by the time I was fourteen and my voice deepened at a very young age; I had a Kevin Conroy-like baritone at the age of ten! So a kid that looks eight or nine to me will usually end up being in their early teens. Furthermore, nearly all of the adults in my town are also Younger Than They Look, further adding to the confusion). But again, Joel himself comments on it in the story, so the example should remain.

    Those are just the ones off the top of my head, and most of the edits (except the last one) have been from a single user. Az_Tech341. I haven't PM'd him/her about the issue yet and I doubt it would go well if I did, so I just skipped a step and went here. Is there an issue or am I just an idiot who should stop editing the page altogether? I have already lost my editing privileges once when I was fairly new, and I'm trying to avoid it happening a second time. Probably doesn't help my case, but I have to be honest.

    Reply

      About From Nobody to Nightmare: the paragraph in question was included by the troper maedar in 19th Jun '13, following the edit history. I guess you are right about the Older Than They Look example, however.

      I see. Yet it was deleted off the character page nearly instantly after I added it myself.

      ~ Mag Bas I'm right that it's a misuse or I'm right that it should have stayed?

      That this Older Than They Look example should have stayed, if a character in the own history comments this.

      For what it's worth I added Older Than They Look and From Nobody to Nightmare back. Hopefully they stick.

      Posting in ATT is great and all, but it still counts as an Edit War if you continue to re-add deleted examples. PM the user to find out why if they aren't using edit reasons. Invite them into the conversation.

      ~ nombretomado I was hoping to avoid that since even though I've been here for three years, I don't exactly talk to other tropers much because I'm not a people person. But I guess I have no choice.

      Sent the PM. Waiting for the response. And they are using edit reasons, I just don't necessarily agree with them. I also explained why I added them back.

      'Didn't agree' with a valid edit reason is no reason to add something back. That's discussion territory, to sort things out.
  • 2 Jul 11th, 2017 at 4:04PM
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    Lastest Reply: 14th Jul, 2017 09:04:09 PM
    AzuraBlu22 has trouble with spelling and grammar. I sent them a notifier a while back, and, admittedly, their writing has improved, but they still make a lot of mistakes that have to be corrected by other users. Most of their recent edits have been on Touken Ranbu-related pages, namely Characters.Touken Ranbu, Anime.Katsugeki Touken Ranbu, and YMMV.Katsugeki Touken Ranbu. Reply

      Bumping because this is on the second page and there hasn't been a response yet.

      Calling them in.
  • 0 Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Videogame
    Ok, it's a little too close to edit war for my liking, but since it's obviously a misuse I think I done it right.

    Yesterday, Ominae add this to VideoGame.City Shrouded In Shadow

    I comment it out, with edit reason "Who are "these guys" and why they count as Far-East Asian Terrorists?"

    Today, he remove comment mark up and modifed it into following entry (with "Got that from the Dualshockers article" as edit reason)

    I remove the entry altogether, because Far-East Asian Terrorists state that "They can also be based in other places, but are primarily made up (the majority at least) of individuals who are of Far-East Asian origin." So clearly "unknown individuals" shouldn't count (and nothing indicate that they're terrorists).

    EDITED. Oh well, turn out that my edit act funny and somehow I don't actually remove the entry (but edit reason pass). He does comemnt the entry out again though, so I guess that's it for record keeping. Reply
  • 4 Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:07PM
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    Lastest Reply: 9th Jul, 2017 06:16:53 AM
    KF 106 has consistently added Kirby examples that, while not outright incorrect, are full of Word Cruft and often reference the anime unnecessarily.

    Some of it dates as far back as 2012, which I found by searching for a recurring phrase they use in calling Kirby a "pink spud."

    Older examples:

    The history of the now-deleted Monster/Kirby page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Monster.Kirby&more=t

    "* Harmless Villain: Just like in the games. Aside from ordering his Dedede Stone to stomp Fumu / Tiff, of course, he has to rely on his Demon Beasts to attack Kirby (who all fail, every time, of course). He doesn't put up much of a fight on his own, either (unless while under the influence of certain Demon Beasts, of course), and his plans to make money backfire every time as well."

    More recent examples:

    "Queen Sectonia holds the dubious honor of being the worst offender to ever give the poor pink spud a hard time out of all the villains in any Kirby game."

    "* Oh, Crap!: Taranza reacts like this when he finally notices that Kirby has been on his tail for a while (in the first world's boss stage, of course, a few seconds before he sics Flowery Woods on him)."

    "* Berserk Button: Taranza interrupts Pyribbit's sleeping by throwing a rock at him and makes him think that Kirby threw said rock at him. The result? Pyribbit flies into Unstoppable Rage towards the poor pink puff, and a boss battle ensues."

    "Complete Monster: [[spoiler:Special mention goes to Queen Sectonia for standing out as perhaps the worst of the whole Kirby enemy lot (not including the anime, of course, which featured Nightmare as its own resident Complete Monster)." Reply

      ...Complete Monster is only allowed by going through the thread for discussion. The rest of those... ow ow ow, where's the ice cream?

      Someone needs a PM and maybe a tap on the shoulder, depending on how things go.

      Every instance of "of course" should be deleted.

      2017 and it's still happening. I just had to de-spuddify all the affected Kirby pages by searching "pink spud."

      EDIT: I got curious and googled it and it seems both Kirby wikis are also afflicted. https://www.google.com/search?q="pink+spud"+kirby

      Calling them in.
  • 3 Jul 8th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Videogame
    Lastest Reply: 8th Jul, 2017 11:41:56 PM
    After watching a YouTube video it was brought to my attention that Crash gets the reverse treatment of Kirby, in only Japan they change the game covers to be softer and cuter with everyone from crash to Crotex, but beside that, text and voice over they keep the game they seemingly keep it the same. This started with the first crash and has gone all the way to the N'sane trilogy that was just released. should we make a separate page from "American Kirby is hard core"? here's an example using one of the older games : http://i.imgur.com/9ddnZ.jpg Reply

      Okay didn't like that image by itself so here's the imgur http://m.imgur.com/9ddnZ?r

      The Trope Launch Pad is the place to go for suggesting new tropes.

      This simply sounds like an inversion of Japanese games getting tougher-looking North American box art (in this case, an American game getting cuter-looking Japanese box art) rather than a new trope.
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