• 3 Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:01AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Mar, 2017 05:24:44 AM
    We have this example on YMMV.Stellaris:

    There is an Example Indentation issue already, but the example has other issues. Particularly potential drama importation/Flame Bait (note the Internet Backdraft pothole. The racist nature of the mod itself also does not do the example any favors) and that it is the only time on the YMMV page in which a Game Mod was referenced. Paradox being Swedish was likewise also unmentioned on the page outside the example. The history revealed the reason for the referencing of Sweden and the indentation. Both were tied to another example (added by a different troper) that was cut by the Trump/ROJEC thread. In which case I ask if we should cut it or not? Reply

      OK, so Internet Backdraft itself is not one of the Flame Bait YMMV tropes, but you still need to be careful with it.

      I don't know what to do with this one. What I do know if there is only one example, it goes next to the trope name, not under it.

      Permission to give it correct indentation?

      Edit: Oh, and there's another incorrect Example Indentation on A Winner Is You.

      Mods aren't properly a part of the work any more than a Fan Fic. As such, the entry doesn't belong period, regardless of any other issues.

      Zyffyr has it right; work pages do not collect fan-made tropes. Game Mod, Fan Fic, Fanart, these are all under the Fan Works banner. Even on trope pages, they do not get indented under the parent work.
  • 3 Mar 17th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Mar, 2017 02:22:53 AM
    Is Stub150meg a real thing? Google says nothing about it, but maybe I'm not searching the right things? Reply

      Oh look, the exact same page as this only it's stub30meg.

      I would assume it's not a thing, because I can't find anything on Google either. Both were made by the same person, TiggersAreGreat, and haven't been edited since 2013.

      I would be inclined to think it's not a real thing.

      If by chance they do not exist, then by all means cutlist them.

      Edit: Checked on the user, and they were banned during the same year, so no further action is to be taken.

      Both pages now cut.
  • 9 Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Mar, 2017 02:52:16 PM
    Patrobotnik removed Rosalina's entry on the Video Games Breakout Character page with no edit reason given. I think they have a bias against her, considering that they're the ones who kept adding her to the Super Mario Bros. Scrappy page. Reply

      Anyone think the example should be restored?

      Just a few days ago he tried to skew her and Waluigi's Base-Breaking Character examples to be overwhelmingly biased in favor of his opinions on the characters. He also did something similar on the Mario Kart 7 YMMV page with a The Scrappy example that basically consisted of "Everybody hates her" without saying why.

      Also, I can't shake the feeling that he's actually Yoshizilla Rhedosaurus under another name.

      I'm all for restoring the example, but it's highly likely he's going to move to a different page and pull the same stuff there.

      Whatever happened to Yoshizilla?

      Yoshizilla is a rather bizarre fanfic writer who recently has been downright fanatical with his bashing of Rosalina. Patrobotnik's edits consist solely of Entry Pimping Yoshizilla's creator page when they aren't Rosalina and Waluigi related, so he's either an alias of Yoshizilla or a huge fan trying to parrot his favorite author's beliefs.

      Mods, can we please get an IP check?

      No IP overlap between Yoshizilla and Patrobotnik, but that doesn't completely rule out puppetry. It just means we'll have do to a more in-depth check (not by me —at least not right now. It's 4 am my time right now.)

      Okay. :)

      On the YMMV page for Mario Kart 7, they readded Rosalina as a scrappy despite the fact that it was removed beforehand on the basis that she doesn't count.

      Tapped on the shoulder. We shall see what we see.
  • 15 Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Mar, 2017 12:25:34 PM
    A couple days ago I changed all instances of VideoGame.Kiki Kai Kai to VideoGame.Pocky And Rocky since the preferred troping method for stuff like that is 'most recent localization.' I was unable to delete the original page, though, because both pages had a Main namespace that made cutting it impossible, so I decided to wait on that issue.

    Now Tropers.Secret Strategist is undoing it and putting Kiki Kai Kai back. Reply

      He's already cut the Pocky and Rocky page, by the way, and it was granted.


      I think I'll just give up since Kiki Kai Kai is getting edits from other tropers now too. XD;

      Don't give up; the names need to corrected. You probably should have just made the old page a redirect.

      That was the plan, but at the time the Main. namespace prevented me from redirecting it. Everything got moved back already too.

      Did you send them a message regarding wiki policy? I think you should keep at it and gather mods' attention, the site should be consistent as possible.

      Generally, it is a good idea to use edit reasons before moving a page. And to not leave a duplicate page behind. Not sure that I understand what the problem with the Main/ page is.

      The original Kiki Kai Kai was never (officially) localized, so changing mentions to Pocky and Rocky may be wrong.

      The cut was an accident. I can restore it, but this other troper needs to get PM'ed into the conversation.

      It looks like those names refer to different works: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocky_%26_Rocky

      The first Kiki Kai Kai was never localized into English, but the Kiki Kai Kai series has officially been localized as "Pocky and Rocky", with the rights to the name owned by Natsume. All games in the Kiki Kai Kai series released in North America have used the Pocky and Rocky name.

      So the question becomes, can we reasonably say that Pocky & Rocky is the English name for the franchise? I'd be willing to say it is.

      Was there ever more than the (I think) two games for the SNES released stateside?

      There are four games in the Pocky & Rocky series and one spiritual successor. Pocky & Rocky originally started as KiKi KaiKai for Japanese arcades in the 1980s. It was never localized officially into English. Then during the Super Famicom/SNES era, the second and third games released in Japan and both were localized in America as Pocky & Rocky and Pocky & Rocky 2.

      The last game in the series came on the Game Boy Advance in Japan and later was localized as Pocky & Rocky with Becky. Sales were bad for the GBA version leading to the end of the series and the rise of the spiritual successor, Heavenly Guardian.

      There have been other instances were famous franchises never had early installments localized like the most notable example, Mother 1 (which finally had an English localization on Wii U as EarthBound Beginnings ). Unless there isn't enough unique examples for separate KiKi KaiKai and Pocky & Rocky pages, we might need to make Pocky & Rocky the index that points to the various Pocky & Rocky games (and the non-localized original).

      Pocky & Rocky is the official English name of the entire series (from the second game onward to the final game on GBA). I hope this information has been helpful, but let me know if I need to clarify anything.

      Heavenly Guardian was going to be Kiki Kai Kai World but the developers lost the license so they had to make it original.
  • 7 Mar 11th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Mar, 2017 11:02:36 AM
    I'm mobile when I type this so apologies in advance but User Wolfberries undid a correction I made to thensure Tales of Berseria character page regarding four characters.


    Four characters are reincarnated at the end of the game. Originally it wasn't known which one so people guessed. Well I was playing the game and beat it and on the credits it lists who each one reincarnated as so I changed it to reflect that. Wolfberries changed it back with no reason why. I took screenshots of the credits and where it says their name so wanted to bring it up here to avoid an edit war. Again, on my phone so apologies. Reply

      Is which characters are reincarnated relevant to the page, or is it just interesting information?

      Reincarnation isn't a character trope, per say, so it should prolly not be on the character page. Especially since in this case you need to spoiler tag the entire example.

      The identities of which "deity" each character reincarnates to aren't all that important, since the whole point of the act is that they become the four elemental lords, basically. The credits were indeed the only way to know who became who.

      True. But... if the correct information is publicly available, and there's a place on the relevant work pages where the information might be placed, shouldn't the information be accurate?

      Well them being reincarnated is a semi important note for the characters involved. The identity itself is not outright important, it's just factually what happeneds.

      I've think the issue is that people weren't sure who reincarnated into who, and guessed when it came out in Japan.


      Have you PM'd the other troper asking why they changed it?

      I didn't. I could message them shortly.
  • 7 Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Mar, 2017 06:17:27 AM
    Undertale has entire sections for fan music and fan albums. Seems like it shouldn't be on the same page, but wasn't sure what (if anything) should be done with it.

    Thoughts? Reply

      It wouldn't be the first time. Pokemon's Music page has a section for fan remixes as well, as well as Kingdom Hearts.

      Considering the Non-Canon page purge, I don't think that's kosher.

      I'm curious as to why fan-made music shouldn't be allowed. Is that actually policy?

      ...because it's not part of the work?

      There's no such thing as notability for the music.

      But the ruling is clear and repeated the fan works and their tropes go on their own pages, not on the pages of the works they're inspired by.

      It's fair game to put them on Fanfic Recs for the work, right?

      Fanfic Recs is fair game. But derivative and fan-made works go on their own articles, not on subpages of the main work. That's a universal rule.
  • 11 Mar 12th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Mar, 2017 07:10:11 PM
    So I found this page while cycling through Pokémon stuff, and it has this really complainy tone about it. Should I go ahead and send it to the cut list? Reply

      That page...really has nothing to do with dresses. If it's that irrelevant to dresses, then I think it should be cut and burned.

      Sent it to the Cut List.

      Wow, I have no idea what it's supposed to be, but it's definitely not a proper page in a proper namespace. It has zero wicks. It doesn't mention any tropes or audience reactions. It's just a random list of how characters have supposedly been bashed by fans.

      It's been around since at least 2011. Stubby, not a valid page, no indexes, no wicks, no growth. All good reasons for a cut in my opinion.

      My guess from the title and the content is it's meant to be a page for Real Women Don't Wear Dresses.

      My question is if such a page is necessary, especially for the small amount of examples it has.

      I just want to point out that its not the only page for this

      That one's been around since 2011 as well, and I really do not know what to make of it, except it comes off as commentary to me.

      And it's not indexed.

      I think we should send the Dresses.Sailor Moon page to the cutlist as well.

      Is there a way to see a list of pages under a given namespace? I want to see if there any more dresses subpages.

      Here are the pages under the Dresses/ namespace. I looked through their histories, and they're all from pre-2011. Some of them have been edited as recently as 2015. Dresses.Sailor Moon has the most inbounds, for whatever reason. There's maybe two wicks between them all.

      Okay I doomed the Sailor Moon page to the cutlist.All that's left is the Berserk, Gundam and Hellsing Dresses pages.

      Preemptively added Dresses.Berserk to the cut list because the examples had nothing to do with Real Women Don't Wear Dresses but were instead complaining and rude comments about Fandom Berserk Button, from FandomBerserkButton.Anime And Manga.

      Doomed those and Live-Action Television page for the same reason.
  • 1 Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Mar, 2017 05:04:30 PM
    Right now Dragon Quest Heroes redirects to the full-titled page for the first game Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and The Blight Below - Given that the two games share multiple elements and characters it looks like both games will share the same tropes page under "Dragon Quest Heroes" rather than be separated to avoid a lot of redundant information.

    What I want to do is make the "Dragon Quest Heroes" page the main one (along with characters/YMMV/etc.) and turn the full-titled pages that shouldn't into the redirect pages.

    Would that proposal require approval in a clean-up/discussion thread or is it okay to go ahead and get started on the clean-up/rearrangement? Reply

      I don't think general consensus is required, but there is a thread somewhere for retitling pages that might be notified after the move.

      You'll need help getting the discussion pages moved by a moderator.
  • 0 Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    I removed a part of the Creator Killer example on Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) because I thought it didn't work. Did it? Reply
  • 6 Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Mar, 2017 06:08:17 PM
    Does anyone know why all the edit pages for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild are locked? Just curious, I was gonna add a few things and they're all locked out for some reason. Reply

      Leaked content. We are blocking edits until the game's official release to prevent the posting of material from the leaks. Which is today, interestingly. Will check to see if we can unlock it.

      Okay, sounds good to me. Much obliged!

      Just curious; why are leaks such a big deal? Why not just spoiler tag them? Or are we trying to head off self centered "I've seen/played this already, so the Spoiler Policy can jump in a lake!!" editing attitude?

      1) Leaks are not official, therefore troping a work on the basis of leaked material is speculation at best. We don't want that.

      2) Yes.

      "Leaks are not official" might not be the best way to put it, because the leaked version of any game is usually the same as the unpatched official-release version.

      A better reasoning would be that the general public does not have access to the work.

      By leaks are not official, Maddie means they aren't an official release of the material, not that the material itself can't be relied on.

      It's the same thing as with scanlations, and pirated material being released where the official isn't available. It may be accurate (or not) but the rights -holder or -leaser didn't approve the distribution.
  • 2 Mar 4th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Mar, 2017 11:24:29 AM
    Combative Boil just removed the context from a trope in Characters.Mass Effect 1 NP Cs Reply

      That "context" wasn't really context at all, though removing it still wasn't proper. Did you send them a notifier?

      They made the example not YMMV, so I'd say the edit was justified even if they didn't actually improve it. Of course, leaving an edit reason would have been helpful.

      (Unless "positive" means something else here, but having played the game, I doubt it.)
  • 1 Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2017 01:07:18 PM
    Before I ask about those I want to know if a more appropriate place exists on the wiki for reporting cases of copypasted/plagiarized material on the wiki. (I feel like that family of pages had been brought up before) Reply


      And you are correct, it has.
  • 3 Mar 2nd, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2017 06:55:08 AM
    I've now gotten a Works page for the Fairune series suitably big, but i can't figure out where to index it by genre. It's a top down game where the player explores a world gathering items, solving puzzles and beating monsters by walking into them, with multiple different maps for itself. I'd like to say Action Adventure, but it doesn't seem action-y enough for that. I don't suppose there'd be someone with a better grasp on genres over here?

    For that matter, where do i go to get help with crosswicking? I could do it on ym own, but i might not have enough time to crosswick every trope on the page. Reply

      Would Casual Video Game be a start?

      I can't remember if there's a thread for this.

      The topic is here.

      Right, sorry about that.
  • 2 Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2017 11:50:35 PM
    I want to add an example for the What Could Have Been section of the trivia page for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, but it's edit locked. Where do I go to make the suggestion? Reply
  • 8 Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2017 04:33:01 PM
    In the Scrappy cleanup thread, it was brought up that Rosalina had been added. Looking through the history of TheScrappy.Super Mario Bros, I noticed that troper Patrobotnik had added her a few times (a year or so between edits) without edit reasons, and various people removed her with edit reasons. Reply

      So slow it's not worth suspending over. Back it out again and send a PM.

      Pretty sure she doesn't count. I've never heard any vitriol for her. Some dissent that she gets more spotlight than Daisy, but that never seems actually directed at her.

      Going through the history, the guy has added the example three times already. He clearly knows it's being removed, but adds it in without discussion. Even though it's a slow war, it's still a war. He's going to readd it eventually, is the only thing we can do just wait until that happens and remove it yet again?

      Huh? I did suggest a PM. And people thinking that examples simply disappear do exist. Seen a few of them in the banned thread.

      Rosalina is not a scrappy, but her fanbase has splintered due to Mario Kart 8 adding Baby Rosalina and Rosalina herself receiving a nerf to her racing weight that makes her overused online in 8 (heavyweight to cruiserweight). At most she has a broken base these days, but she is not a scrappy (not even in a character tier sense). I hope the extra info is helpful here.

      So, would it be considered an edit war if I or someone else removes the example?

      It is not an edit war to make an article comply with a consensus decision. However, it is pointless to do if there is an active person edit warring against you, which is why reporting the problem is necessary.

      On a somewhat related note, his edits that aren't Rosalina related consist entirely of gushing over and Entry Pimping Yoshizilla Rhedosaurus. Given the vitriol Yoshizilla has shown towards Rosalina in his fanfics, I'm getting the feeling that Patrobotnik might actually be Yoshizilla himself.

      I deleted the entry with a pointer to the cleanup thread, and sent a message to the troper.

      The last edit made by that troper on the page I mentioned is what was noticed so it could be brought up. It wasn't made in response to these discussions or any message from what I understand.
  • 6 Feb 28th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2017 01:25:32 PM
    VideoGame.Kirbys Ghost Trap was just made and at first I thought it was a just-announced game due to being more familiar with its US title, Kirby's Avalanche. Which title should it go under?

    (The Pocky and Rocky series also had this, being called VideoGame.Kiki Kai Kai, and the manga series Hibiki's Magic having its trope page as Manga.Hibiki No Mahou.) Reply

      Aren't the mods always saying "most recent translation" for these kind of things?

      ^Yes they are.

      Yeah. i remember Letter Bee was Tegami Bachi for the longest time.

      Those aren't really "translations", though. The game is a Dolled-Up Installment of the first Puyo Puyo game for the Super Nintendo / Super Famicom with Market Based Titles for North America and Europe.

      Since there's a bit of confusion here:

      • Both titles are official English translations, but the most recently released is Kirby's Avalanche. The two translations were developed concurrently, so this is not a case of the game being re-translated.
      • The page probably belongs at Kirby's Avalanche, because it's both the more recently released translation and the more well-known name.
      • For whatever reason, the Kirby's Ghost Trap page was custom titled to Kirby's Avalance (sic), which is a huge no-no. Custom titles are not to be used to rename pages; the page should be redirected instead.

      Fixed! Thanks! :)
  • 4 Feb 28th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2017 05:35:56 AM
    Now that Pink Gold Peach has been announced for Mario Sports Superstars, should she get her own section on the Super Mario Bros / Allies page once the game is released? Metal Mario already has his own section, and his will probably be expanded once that game is released, as he is also playable in it. Reply

      Aren't those just Palette Swaps anyway?

      (Not sure this is an ATT question either)

      I think this would be better in the game's discussion page. Also, I had no idea Allies pages were a thing.

      They are, usually for when the character pages for protagonists/playable characters are too big of if they are secondary characters.

      I moved the discussion to the page I mentioned.
  • 9 Feb 27th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Feb, 2017 01:23:49 PM
    This was removed from Inquisition's YMMV page with no edit reason.


    * Signature Scene: Several have cropped up among fans: The events of "In Hushed Whispers," the scene at Therinfal Redoubt when the Envy Demon impersonates the advisers, the ending of "Into the Abyss," finishing "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts" and getting one possible judgment option, a little sidequest revolving around Cassandra and Varric, Trespasser's trailer scene of the Inquisitor losing her shit, the DLC's ending where Solas returns, and Cassandra reading Varric's new book over the DLC's credits.

    Like I ask, do we trope Signature Scene? If so is YMMV an appropriate place for it? Reply

      Yes and yes, that said, a work can have a Signature Scene... if there are eight listed, then chances are it's being misused.

      Thing is, DA: Inquisition has multiple scenes based on the player's actions. For example, "In Hushed Whispers" is mutually-exclusive to the Envy Demon scene.

      That being said, I'd argue that "Into the Abyss" is THE Signature Scene, for several reasons.
      1. It takes place in the Spriit World, and what makes the protagonist special is his/her ability to physical enter the Spirit World—something thought IMPOSSIBLE before they're shown doing so.
      2. The quest answers a number of driving questions for the plot.
      3. The quest ends with a Player Punch in which at least ONE well-liked character from a previous game is sacrificed in a Bolivian Army Ending.
      4. Unlike other many other quests, this one is not optional.

      So...narrow it down to just one? Hokay, great as Cassandra reading Varric's novel there are better examples so that's out. The Duchess in a Box tour, funny as it is, might not even be seen, so that's out. Ditto for siding with the Templars or mages, do one and you lose the other so that's out. How's this?


      * Signature Scene: Numerous ones crop up that are near and dear to many fans but the scene after Haven and being crowned Inquisitor, the ending of Into the Abyss where you have to sacrifice either Alistair/Loghain/Stroud or Hawke, and the Trespasser DLC trailer where Evelyn Trevalyan has had enough of Orlais' and Ferelden's shit stand out.

      Um, spoilers please? I generally don't care, but others very much do.

      Given the title and trope at discussion it should be fair warning there may be spoilers. Point taken though, thus I thought to make a better effort to give more than fair warning.

      Well, the writing looks like a mess.

      Isn't that spoiler warning a bit...excessive?

      This should go on the discussion page for the game. At this point you're discussing a particular example, not asking about site rules.

      If spoilers are brought up as being as issue then no, I don't think such a warning is excessive. Some have not played the game, some would not take in the topic title and discussion, and some would really care about what story details are revealed. Hence using a Ghostbusters (2016) level trigger warning would leave no room for doubt, anyone reading spoilers with that had fair warning.
  • 1 Feb 27th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Feb, 2017 12:24:26 PM
    AguFungus restored a bunch of apparently long-deleted folders in DorkAge/VideoGames. Reply

      Suspended, reverted.
  • 4 Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Feb, 2017 08:00:12 PM
    Hello, everybody. I'm a newbie so I'm sorry if my question is answered elsewhere. I researched the issue but couldn't find anything.

    My first edit signals a case of Talking to Himself in Amnesia: The Dark Descent. The situation is simple and leaves no room for factual interpretation: the dubbing actors in question provide the voices of characters who interact.

    So then why is the new example point considered a YMMV entry? Reply

      It's not YMMV. It's Trivia, which means it's probably not subjective, but it's not really a trope either. Those items are listed in a separate Trivia section, not on the main page.

      Amnesia's is here, though the example you want to add is already on the page.

      Oh, I see! I consulted the Talking to Himself page again and noticed the banner warning that this trope belonged in trivia. My bad. I'll delete my misplaced entry and pay more attention to the section system.

      Thanks for your answer, supergod.

      Thank you for being so polite and cooperative. :)

      Here's a tip. If you put in a Trivia or YMMV trope on a page where it doesn't belong, a pair of scales will appear next to the trope name and the edit page will suggest you move that trope to its proper place.
  • 9 Feb 25th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Feb, 2017 08:45:24 PM
    So, I was looking through the cutlist for tonight, and found a bunch of tabs such as Awesome: Bosses for two works where the tabs only had the number 1. Said works with them were Lisa The Pointless and Furi. The troper who wrote them was Queen-Roger.

    I think these are being cut, but I want to make sure. This looks like a prank. Reply

      If those are on the cut list then yes, they're being reviewed for zorching by the cutmasters. No further action is needed.

      Yes, we're in the process of cutting those. That troper made sixty or so of those pages in one swoop. It's taking a bit of time to get through them all.

      Is there any IP overlap between Queen-Roger and SeanDevine? The latter account is older but most of their edits are for the game pages for which all the junk pages were created; more suspicious still, they re-created one of the cut junk pages earlier today, right down to the "content" consisting solely of the number 1.

      Why, yes. Yes, there is. only one and Sean is on a dynamic IP but still...

      Suspended so they can explain.

      As for the junk subpages, I think they're all now either on the cutlist or on the "already cut" list. I may have missed a few.

      Thank you, m'dear. they've been cut.

      And thank you for being the one to actually lower the axe on them. (And if jormis29 is reading this thread, thank you also for being the original person to bring these junk subpages to mod attention in the YKTTW Crash Rescue thread.)

      I diodn't actually do it; one of the other mods got there first; when we've got that sort of situation, several of us tend to haunt the cutlist to burn the obviously junk pages.

      Well, thanks to whoever did the actual cutting as well, then (I presume you cut the junk subpages for OFF after your exchange with Septimus in the YKTTW Crash Rescue thread).

      I see a few of the junk subpages were expanded into something resembling proper subpages by other editors before jormis29 brought them to wider attention (albeit still often with far too few examples to really justify having a whole subpage instead of an entry on the games' main, YMMV, or Trivia pages), although some of those expanded pages have problems of their own with grammar and formatting (Characters.Lisa The Pointless leaps to mind).
  • 2 Feb 25th, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Feb, 2017 01:54:47 PM
    Here, DeanMT94 had added a dubious example of Seasonal Rot regarding Assassin's Creed. Why dubious? Because it's worded like Fanon Discontinuity: For one, it only says that, for "some in the [AC] fandom", the series peaked with the second game and everything after that went downhill. It doesn't say why that suspiciously-unspecified minority views the latter games as bad, and a Seasonal Rot doesn't necessarily (or even frequently) occur right after a series hits the zenith (that would fit better for Jumping the Shark.... which doesn't allow out-of-universe examples to begin with), so once again it doesn't explain what was the issue with the latter games. Lastly, the entry was misindented, because it was added as a lone-subbullet response to the primary example.

    With these rationale, I had removed the dubious example and explained why in the edit reason, but Dead added it back without explaining why, expanding or modifying the example, nor indenting properly. I could have reported this a little earlier, but unfortunately my connection hit the bottom of the barrel and refused to cooperate, so I waited until now.

    EDIT: Upon checking numerous forums and sited around the web, I've noticed that a predominant majority liked Brotherhood, Revelations and Black Flag, and the reception regarding AC III was at worst mixed. So I'm perceiving some Confirmation Bias on the troper's part. Reply

      I'm not an Assassin's Creed fan, but all I've heard is how Black Flag is one of the best games in the series. Maybe they could go under Contested Sequel, but I don't know enough about the fandom.

      There's absolutely no explanation anywa, so it's a poor example, and now the troper is edit warring.

      How the hell can Seasonal Rot apply to a video game series?

      Anyway, suspended that troper for edit warring.
  • 1 Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Feb, 2017 07:35:28 PM
    LamPark has been vandalizing VVVVVV and Minecraft. Requesting a revert on both those pages. Reply

      Thanks, handled it.
  • 4 Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2017 05:50:01 PM
    So, the Character page for Weapons in Destiny was deleted (not saying it shouldn't have) is there a more appropriate sub page we could recreate it though? I think it was originally created precisely to keep the main page from getting jammed with the hilariously large amount of Tropes tied to them Reply

      Well, use the main page? We cannot make assumptions about which tropes people like more.

      Is it possible to have a subpage for weapons that's not a character page? Some main pages have subpages for "Tropes A-F" etc, so shouldn't it be possible to do something similar for tropes pertaining to inficidual weapons?

      A lot of the examples on that page were ZC Es, so re-adding them isn't for the best.

      You can split the page into alphabetical segments. The point is judging whether you should.

      And don't restore ZC Es.