• 1 Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 07:38:52 AM
    There seems to be an issue with the Expy entry about Hakufu Sonsaku on Ikki Tousen, which states that Hakufu is an expy of Excel from Excel Saga. It's also considered what I believed to be a Zero-Context Example.

    Since the expy trope has to be made explicit by the creator (in this case, it's Yuji Shiozaki) and is not meant for superficial similarities by fans or the audience, I tried to clean it up as with other expy entries in various anime articles and even brought it up on the cleanup thread, but it was put back in repeatedly by king3000. Not to mention that the troper also added in Zero-Context Example entries to various anime articles in the past (history) and as king2000 (history).

    That said, should we just get rid of the expy entry in the character sheet altogether? Reply

      Example needs to be pulled, but we should wait for a mod, so as to not prolong an edit war.
  • 1 Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 06:52:41 AM
    I found this advertising trope page, it is exampleless and wickless, but it does have over 200 inbounds. Is it even a valid trope and if it is is there anywhere we can take it to get examples for it?

    Link: Serving Suggestion Reply
  • 3 Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:02AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 06:42:32 AM
    Is there any way to report spam messages? I found one in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.Tropes Reply

      Posting here is fine. Will handle the spammer.

      Can you describe how it's a spam message? What kind it is?

      I would but its been deleted now. It was literally at the top of the list.
  • 1 Feb 18th, 2018 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 02:01:31 AM
    rennasakuya is probably areszzjay ban evading again, with very similar interests and a poor grasp of English grammar. Reply
  • 4 Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 02:02:09 AM
    Side note:

    What's the policy on actually crosswicking our works on trope pages? I didn't know if that went to far was considered shameless self-promotion or not. Reply

      Are the tropes legitimate, and the entries properly written? If so, then this may still be acceptable. It's when it comes to ymmv reactions to one's own work(s) that there starts to be a problem.

      Written properly to the best I could and I'm aware of the no YMMV tropes trope'd by the works author rule.

      My understanding of current policy is that crosswicking a work page's (proper) trope examples to the corresponding trope pages is not merely acceptable, it's required. That rule doesn't fall just because the work in question happens to be your own.

      Yes, it's a requirement even for your own work.
  • 3 Feb 18th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 11:15:30 PM
    I messed up formatting the URL for my fic when creating the page so can a mod cut this


    This underscores keep Wikiwords from working to pothole it so I created it with the correct URL here

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheMelindaChronicles Reply

      You can still put it in the cutlist... I'll do it...


      I didn't realize there us an actual cutlist page so i was perplexes when I couldn't fine any cutlist option on the page's menu itself.

      It's in the Tools menu in the sidebar.
  • 4 Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 01:26:29 AM
    Is there a difference between spoiler boxes with or without a space after the colon?

    [[spoiler:No Space]], [[spoiler: Space]]

    No Space, Space

    I saw someone change it from one to the other, and I think it does nothing, so I'm not gonna argue it. But does it do anything? Reply

      No, it doesn't.

      I can only think of two possible explanations. The first is that having a space artificially inflates the character count, but that isn't really a big deal unless we're talking of a page that's already pretty big. The second is that it might look weird to some tropers one way rather than the other. I don't think it matters one way or the other and should be considered a minor grammar correction, tbh.

      There are situations where leaving a space after the colon can result in visible formatting glitches.

      Plus, the space after the colon doesn't change the display, thus it is unnecessary. The first reflex of editors liking concise texts is to trim unnecessary bits.
  • 1 Feb 18th, 2018 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 04:26:29 PM
    Remember "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer", by Patsy and Elmo? Well, today, I found this song by Elmo (as a solo act named Dr. Elmo), called ["Don't Make Me Play that Grandma Song Again"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfXQwdkJks), which is about a DJ who is sick of playing the song. At first, I thought it could be self-deprecation, especially since he calls Elmo someone who cannot sing, but then, hearing the lyrics again, I thought it could simply be an observance on how overplayed the song is (as Christmas songs usually are). So does this fit? Reply
  • 1 Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 02:01:23 PM
    Seems like this would perfectly qualify... https://www.boredpanda.com/overweight-welshman-businessman-transformation-model-gwilym-pugh/ Reply
  • 2 Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 01:28:49 PM
    I was browsing in YMMV.The Goldbergs and was about to move a misplaced entry until I saw the content. Now I'm wondering if it should be there at all.

    • Politically Correct History: Vexillogists like Sheldon Cooper should notice the South African flag in "The Other Smother" episode of "The Goldbergs" was made in 1994, post-apartheid era when Nelson Mandela became president. It could be assumed the South African flag used during the '80s could be a racist symbol, as white supremacist Dylann Roof was photographed in Facebook with that flag. Roof killed people in a black church 6/17/2015. But "The Other Smother" aired on 1/14/2014, predating the massacre. Still it's presumed someone who might spot the old South Africa flag even if for only a second might be uneasy with its association with apartheid & racism.

    I don't even now if it's using the trope correctly as well. Reply

      Everything after "...during the '80s could be a racist symbol" can be removed, as it's not relevant and just asking for trouble. There's also waffle at the start, just say "People who know flags", not vexillogists or Sheldon Cooper. Also mention the Anachronism Stew and Unreliable Narrator tendencies of the show, to suggest that maybe because Adam is familiar with the current RSA flag he doesn't properly remember what it was in the '80s.

      That seems more just like a legit error to me than Politically Correct History and the editor is trying to read way to far into it to make it this trope.

      Either from ignorance to the fact the flag has changed or being unable to get a period correct one.

  • 12 Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:09AM
    Web Original
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 09:58:41 AM
    Oancitizen List is an arbitrary list and should be cut. It is just a list of works reviewed by some guy on the Internet, as opposed to an official list or published list of some sort. There is precedent for removing this content from the wiki, as seen here at the page type corrections thread, where we cut 19 lists that were similar. Reply

      Or at least could be moved to List.Brows Held High

      I'm pretty sure the List/ namespace is deprecated. There have been other articles in that namespace that have been cut in the past.

      I have never seen the web show and couldn't care less about this dude, but there is a page at TV Tropes dedicated to Brows Held High. If there's a work page devoted to the show, it does not seem to be that crazy to have an index of movies he's reviewed.

      A list like that is better off in the description of Brows Held High and without indexing.

      Well there are other such lists, not only for review shows, but for even Mystery Science Theater 3000, so this might be broad enough for a whole forum thread discussing them.

      ^ The MST3K list would also need to go. That isn't evidence that the practice is good or on mission. Moreover, there's been dozens of similar pages cut already and mods have already commented on the issue in ATT, though I can't link to the specific thread atm.

      Such content is fitting for, say, Wikipedia or a fan Wikia site.

      although MST3K is definitely more list-worthy IMO

      I've actually always felt the MST3K list is somewhat problematic, because it seems to encourage the habit of people to trope the MSTing of those movies rather than the movies themselves, which (IIRC) we don't want.

      Troping MST3K episodes should be fine as long as it is done in the right place. Which is not the original work's page, but rather in Recap.Mystery Science Theater 3000 . Also, I might add, that recap page pretty much makes a list of MST3K episodes redundant.

      It's meant to list the movies featured (which is what this thread is about), not the episodes that showed those movies.

      Listing the episodes featured is one thing, and listing works reviewed is yet another, but making that list into an index is something else entirely. It's completely arbitrary and unhelpful.

      Unless there's merit in something like Referenced by... or Shout-Out except it's more like Reviewed By. But I personally don't see the point in that.

      Someone obviously feels it is useful and helpful which is why the list was made in the first place, and why people have added to it.
  • 2 Feb 18th, 2018 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 12:54:43 PM
    If a second-level bullet point on a work's main page has a Trivia item as its first wick or pothole, it causes the "this should be moved to the YMMV page" warning to appear. How do we fix examples that have this?

    Do we remove the trivia? If Word of God provides more detail on a trope's occurrence, is it really wrong to mention that on the work's main page? Do we add the In-Universe / Invoked tag, even though it's not happening in-universe? Reply

      Just put [invoked] behind the example text will remove the warning. The invoked markup text is also invisible as a bonus.

      Before trying to sidestep the flagging function, please make sure that the indentation of the example is correct. Your wording about "providing more detail" suggests that the second-level bullet may be commentary on a first-level-bulleted example, which would be improper formatting. If the Word of God citation is about the first-level entry (rather than being part one of multiple separate examples of the same trope), then it should be combined into the example on the same level, which would fix the problem since it would no longer be the first wick.
  • 6 Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 06:45:19 PM
    So I'm writing a fanfic, and while I'd feel too much like a Shameless Self-Promoter to create its page myself, I do want to be informed if someone else does. But apparently adding a not-yet-created page to your watchlist doesn't work. Is there anything I can do? Reply

      theoretically, you could make it and add it to your watchlist and then cut it, that way if it was created you'd get the message, but that's a bit excessive. you could just search for it every now and again.

      I'd say make the page anyway. If you feel guilty about doing so just don't get too deep into the process. Give a general plot overview and a pile of the more blatant tropes used.

      That will give you something to lock into your watch list and it also has the advantage of giving the more casual tropers who are willing to edit but don't feel up to creating a page from scratch something to work with.

      Oh, and under NO circumstance add YMMV. Your audience says what YMMV tropes can be found in your work. Not you.

      The rule thumb I've always been given is that you can create and fill out a main page, character pages, and Trivia page with only factual trivia from published information.

      YOU CANNOT however add YMMV stuff like the YMMV page and moments page to your own work.

      Oh, I know what's allowed and not. I just have unusual preferences and wondered if the wiki had something to handle it.

      Creating and cutting the page is... not really what I had in mind. I guess I'll just keep the tab open and maybe make the page if I ever arbitrarily decide I've done enough to merit making the page myself. Or get really bored.

      Something to point out - if you go to a yet-to-be-made-page, click on the "Watch" and even though it the star doesn't show as filled in when you return it will show up in your watchlist once it has been created

      Before the site update it only worked for one page at a time but now it works for multiple (not sure how many)
  • 2 Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 06:35:45 AM
    On Characters.Dragon Ball Android 21, Tropers.The Awesome Hyperon made a number of large unilateral changes, including adding a lot of All White Entries on a page that already warns the viewer of unmarked spoilers. The changes are WAY too big to sift through, so I wanted to know if a mod could revert please.


    EDIT: Also, the change reverted and ignores a discussion on the page about how to format the folders. Reply
  • 5 Feb 18th, 2018 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 10:31:32 AM
    I noticed that two recently launched pages Marchen Madchen and Maerchen Maedchen are for the same work

    Should the conversation to merge this pages be held in ATT or is there a more appropriate place?

    (I will change the description of this query and invite the page creators to participate if the former) Reply

      The discussion belongs in a Forum thread, although I I'm not sure precisely where.

      I think doing it at the discussion page for Marchen Madchen could work. Move anything from the other page over, make a redirect, submit a custom wikiword for the umlauts.

      I don't have the slightest idea where to put that discussion, especially since it seems so rare as to not be a perpetual issue. Probably short-term, except for the fact that neither page has more than 10 wicks and they have 12 inbounds between them.

      The more correct title has the E's following the A's, as the German uses umlauts and replacing umlauts with E's following the vowels is pretty standard. I'd say merge and make Marchen Madchen a redirect. Not sure which description to keep.

      the descriptions are pretty similar, which I guess makes it easier, but also concerning if it's copy pasta from somewhere

      You are correct. See the wikipedia article for "... is a Japanese light novel series written by Tomohiro Matsu and Story Works. The series was being worked on by Matsu..." (they didn't even un-CamelCase "StoryWorks").
  • 3 Feb 17th, 2018 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Feb, 2018 10:17:59 PM
    Nyte could very well be another attemp by Ultimate Lazer at ban evading.

    Their edits are very similar. Reply

      Lazer's edit history, just to help.

      Both edit Overwatch.

      Got a positive match. They're gone!

      Reverted their two most recent edits, and suggested the discussion on the latter.
  • 1 Feb 17th, 2018 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 01:55:41 AM
    I keep getting a page that says “if this doesn’t redirect automatically, then there’s a bug” when I go to the Ask The Tropers page. Is it just me? Reply

      No, it's been reported before. The admins haven't got around to it yet. They're gonna do a big update at some point.
  • 0 Feb 17th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    What search engine links are discounted from inbound counts?

    'Cause I'm seeing Bing, Duck Duck Go, and others on Inbound Links, so does that mean those aren't discounted? Reply
  • 2 Feb 17th, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Feb, 2018 10:53:37 PM
    So, you know how people are always making those “perfect watch orders” for the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Well, I was wondering if anyone knew about any watch orders for the Animated Marvel Universe (Avengers, Assemble!, Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H., Guardians of the Galaxy (2015)). I know that the shows exist within the same continuity, snarls aside, so I think it would be cool to know the best way to watch them all. Reply

      You're probably better asking in the forums, if there is a thread for Marvel Animated Canon.

      Edit: Misread the OP.
  • 1 Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:07PM
    Live Action TV
    Lastest Reply: 17th Feb, 2018 08:34:09 PM
    brown shaggy puppet monkey in tree house with a lot about bananas on a kids channel not cbbc, cbeebies or citv i don’t tbink. other animals and people in the show tlo Reply

      Sorry. I don't know what you're trying to say, but if you're looking for a show, you need to ask in You Know That Show.

      Can someone lock this, please?
  • 5 Feb 17th, 2018 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Feb, 2018 07:37:26 PM
    Haiku.So Bad Its Horrible has a lot of unnecessarily offensive language. If we cutlist it, could it be sent to the Permanent Red Link Club? Reply

      Most (if not all) of it looks like it wouldn't be out of place on a Caustic Critic show, and So Bad, It's Horrible (and maybe Darth Wiki in general) is kind of the Caustic Critic part of TV Tropes.

      Edit: Accidentally messed up the wording originally.

      The word fuck is not that bad.

      Not all of the haiku there have swearing. Besides, what you're asking for is overkill.

      I think the same foul language problem happened to Haiku.Four Chan—and it got cutlisted and locked for either that or some other reason.

      I'm pretty sure the 4chan one was salted because of Flame Bait/trolling (and the fact that having an unlocked page related to them is just asking for trouble), and any "language" that was done away with was a bonus