• 1 Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:07AM
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    Lastest Reply: 19th Feb, 2018 07:38:52 AM
    There seems to be an issue with the Expy entry about Hakufu Sonsaku on Ikki Tousen, which states that Hakufu is an expy of Excel from Excel Saga. It's also considered what I believed to be a Zero-Context Example.

    Since the expy trope has to be made explicit by the creator (in this case, it's Yuji Shiozaki) and is not meant for superficial similarities by fans or the audience, I tried to clean it up as with other expy entries in various anime articles and even brought it up on the cleanup thread, but it was put back in repeatedly by king3000. Not to mention that the troper also added in Zero-Context Example entries to various anime articles in the past (history) and as king2000 (history).

    That said, should we just get rid of the expy entry in the character sheet altogether? Reply

      Example needs to be pulled, but we should wait for a mod, so as to not prolong an edit war.
  • 1 Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:08AM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Feb, 2018 11:46:57 PM
    Link: Pop Team Epic

    Okay, first, the anime of Pop Team Epic has a gimmick where the two leads are voiced by different voice actors every episode (it's a massive Widget Series). Because of it, the 'Voiced by' sections for them is getting way too long, so some people put them in a separate section.

    Problem is, people started to put in voice actors for every minor one-bit characters in the page. At this point, it's more a voice-actor list than a Characters page.

    I would just erase the entire VA list for anybody except the main two, since they're the only recurring characters. Not sure what to do with the table, but at least the "relationship" column needs to go, since it's already covered by Relationship Voice Actor in the Trivia page anyway

    Reply

      Okay, so I went ahead and did exactly that (removed Relationship Voice Actor column and all minor character lists). There's no problem with this, is there?
  • 4 Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:12PM
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    Lastest Reply: 16th Feb, 2018 04:49:50 PM
    Apologies for so many ATT entries. I know this gets annoying.

    So in August of last year, I went onto the Fairy Tail section for the "Main Villains", and asked why the "character" Ankhselam was listed as a Big Bad when he is a Greater-Scope Villain who never actually appears in the series. The characters listed on the page were the three major antagonists of the final arc, something the "character" in question is not. Nobody commented on it, so on January 20th of this year, I moved him to the Other Section.

    February 13th, Sarakael, a troper I have had very poor interactions with due to his very strict "My way or the high way" mindset, undid this saying; "You should learn to wait for other opinion before doing thing as drastic as that."

    Not only is this a passive aggressive message, I did wait for people to comment on it. For nearly five months. Not a single person commented so I moved it after waiting. I want to see peoples opinions since Sarakael has often ignored discussions if he does not agree with them, and he himself never engaged the topic. Reply

      I never watch or read Fairy Tail much but I don't think he is a Big Bad but is a Greater-Scope Villain since he was the cause of grief for Zeref that started a lot of tragedy afterwards. You also did wait a long time to make the edit.

      Yeah, that was why I moved him. Sarakael then suddenly comes out of no where to criticize me and undo the edit.

      • Edit: I do want to move the entry, but I know Sarakael will move it back. I kinda wanna see more people's opinions first.

      Would it be fine if I undid the changes and link back to this?

      I would.
  • 5 Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:08AM
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    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2018 12:42:14 PM
    The adaptation started airing but so far, the YMMV page is in need of some manner of watching. So far Ass Pull, Internet Backdraft, Broken Base, and non-YMMV tropes have been moved there. I've tried to tidy it up, but people are making knee-jerk reactions and, at this writing, there have ben 3 episodes. Getting pretty frustrating so far. Reply

      I honestly believe some of these are complaining. I just deleted Base Breaker from there which is no longer a legit YMMV. Also on They Change seems like complaining on the protagonist characterization even though it's just three episode end.

      I touched it up from what it originally was because I do think they have valid points, but we are only 3 episodes in.

      Ogiga 99 did some of the stuff relating to Ass Pull. Whats weird is he removed an asspull entry I put on Fate/Apocrypha about a character ignoring the normally established rules of the fate series to use their Noble Phantasm without calling it, and he removed it. His edits are very weird.

      Remember that Broken Base needs a 3-month delay after the show has ended.

      On this topic, does this mean that we have to delete every Base-Breaking Character entry in existence with extreme prejudice?

      The Base Breaker entry I delete wasn't even a good one as it more complaining. I thought Base-Breaking Character also got a wait period.

      ^^ I thought it was six months.
  • 3 Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:04PM
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    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2018 01:58:06 PM
    So I noticed that some examples from the Pop Team Epic page have been deleted by nanakiro, including some of my additions to the page regarding the 6th episode. Here is what has been removed:

    • The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You: The anime adaptation of the "please subscribe to our channel" comic. The first time, the scene cuts to black and you hear the ringing of a phone. The second time, it cuts to black and you hear a knock on the door... (not my edit, but has been removed)

    • The 6th episode's shogi tournament sketch has Popuko competing with Billion Quadrillion (who is totally not Heihachi) but Popuko manages to defeat him and mostly destroy his interior mechanisms. (NOTE: this is a portion of the Robotic Reveal entry. The entire Robotic Reveal entry hasn't been deleted, just this line).

    • Serious Business: The anime's shogi sketch in episode 6 treats a shogi tournament this way, parodying similar tabletop board game tournament-themed manga such as Hikaru no Go (complete with Pipimi dressed as Sai), all culminating in a battle with a robotic version of Pipimi, PP1000, that ends in a huge explosion.

    • Tournament Arc: Episode 6 has a sketch that parodies such arcs with the tabletop game of Shōgi

    • Wins by Doing Absolutely Nothing: In the 6th episode's shogi skit, Popuko makes a competing shogi player break down before either one of them could make a move.

    As far as I can tell, all of those events did indeed happen in Pop Team Epic's latest episode. I should know because I watched the anime episode 6 first before adding those examples in. I tried to make sure each trope fits the event I list, and I tried to write it as professionally as I could (well, as "professional" as a TV Tropes page on a "kuso anime" such as Pop Team Epic could allow anyway...). I don't get what could be the issue with those examples. If they needed to be worded better, or an event fits one trope better than the ones I listed them under, that's fine and dandy, but I don't see how those could warrant removing entirely without a fix to them. The editor didn't seem to give a clear reason for the removals too. Did he just not like episode 6 or something? Should these example removals be reverted or should they stay?

    If there is indeed an issue with what I wrote (as well as that one example listed that I didn't add), please let me know, so I can try to do better writing about future Pop Team Epic episodes and manga strips next time.

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      Well, Tournament Arc is rather thin, almost ZCE. It needs more detail.

      Not sure about the others at the moment.

      Those examples look valid to me. Have you messaged the other party yet?

      I took it up with Nanakiro, and he confirmed that these example removals were a mistake on his part due to editing an earlier revision of the page that was before these edits and only saving after further revisions were made since then. He apologized for the mistake, and said that the examples listed were perfectly valid. I have since restored his removals the way they were, as well as took Candi's suggestion to refine the page's Tournament Arc example to add more words and context to it. The problem is resolved now. ^^
  • 14 Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 7th Feb, 2018 04:45:41 PM
    Some time ago I added this entry on the YMMV page of Boruto:

    • Hilarious in Hindsight: After the main series ended, some upset shipping fans wrote their own fanfics in which their fanon Naruto/Sakura's child would gain a hand seal with the same symbol as Tsunade and Sakura's one they have on the forehead. In manga Chapter 10, Boruto acquired a hand seal with almost the exact same pattern; Cue the angry shippers claiming that the idea was "stolen" from their fanon child.

    Later the entry was removed by editor stickyheaders without any explanation, back then I didn't think too much about it, but now I've been thinking that the entry may have been valid, as it is an audience reaction and also that one shouldn't arbitrarily remove YMMV examples unless they don't fit with the trope.

    What are your thoughts on this? Is it valid? Reply

      My only question would be whether the entry comes off as too negative toward said Naruto/Sakura shippers. Personally, I think it should be okay, but...

      YMMV entries especially require an edit reason to remove it, and even then it has to be factually incorrect, In-Universe Examples Only, Flame Bait, or the removal must have mod approval.

      However, looking at the extended history, you added Hilarious in Hindsight, then it was deleted for no reason, then you re-added it. That's Edit War territory.

      Emu 0, How would you re-phrase it then?

      The Nerf Guy:, Actually the second "re-add" of Hilarious in Hindsight is a completely different example. I only added the entry in question once and tweaked it a little bit before it was deleted. :)

      A group of strangers accused the IP owners of stealing the stolen IP? That's almost comical. On a more serious note, though, I'm not seeing how it's Hilarious in Hindsight. That requires a funny thing to be made funnier...

      Water Blap: I think that as you said the situation can be considered comical in by itself, in this case we know how funny the reactions of the fandom can be, especially when related to Shipping, so now we have an audience reaction to an event on the work which makes it even funnier.

      Not sure I follow. I was saying the "group of strangers accusing an IP owner of stealing stolen IP" is almost funny, as in "if it weren't so pathetic." The in-universe thing doesn't seem to be humorous at all but rather just a thing that happened.

      Well, correct me if I'm wrong but, according to the description of Hilarious in Hindsight an example doesn't require the later event (which may or not be In-Universe) to be funny in by itself, only make something funnier.

      Fans writing their own Fix Fics as Fanon Discontinuity can be, at least, amusing for some people. Also, for you the later fandom reaction may seem more pathetic than funny, but then again this is YMMV and quoting the aforementioned description: "Also note that some examples that might not seem funny to one, might seem funny to another. It depends on attitudes towards Black Comedy and Gallows Humor"

      Also this: "Additionally, "hilarious" doesn't just mean "BLAH-HAH-HAH! gut-busting," either. If you go by the word's original definition, it can mean "amusing" or "charming" as well. So any belated lighthearted coincidence would fit under this trope."

      With all these I do think it's a valid example, but if there is something I could be missing, I'll be glad if you point it me out.

      It just seemed to me like the entry itself came off as a bit derisive. It seemed more like a way to make fun of rabid fans than something actually involving the work.

      I'm not going to go and change it myself (really, I have no stake in this issue) but I'm wondering if that could have been part of the problem.

      This seems like some sort of bizarre inverse of HIH. Nothing that was already in the work got funnier. Maybe the fanfics got funnier, but that information should go on their pages, not the page for the main work. The fact that the main work did something which made other stuff funnier does not mean the work itself got funnier.

      Also just going to point out that stickyheaders was banned because, as a notorious Naruto/Sakura shipper, he brutally vandalized Sakura's character section to play her up and Hinata's character section to basically talk smack about her, employed a lot of Natter in Hinata's section, and left very rude edit reasons.

      Here are the reasons for why I reported him back in September: "His/her edits are disparaging, shows obvious shipping bias, keeps adding false or long since confirmed information, keeps deleting huge chunks of confirmed and unbiased information, does not employ neutral wording whatsoever, and has rude edit reasons that are mean-spirited and full of profanity."

      jameygamer reported him for this reason: "I just reported him on a second query concerning another troper for editing in profanity natter on Team 8 and leaving a rude edit reason, which is unacceptable."

      The moderator lu127 finally banned him.

      Because he was banned, and because of everything else I just explained, stickyheaders' edits can stay dead and buried.

      Xtifr's point is basically what I was trying to get at. The work itself didn't get funnier.

      Since you asked me to point out what you may or may not be missing: The Hilarious in Hindsight page says that the later event doesn't need to be funny on its own but it does need to make the earlier event more funny. Since the fanfic material came earlier, the HIH example goes on the page or pages of those fanfics, not the original work's page.

      I agree with Xtifr and Water Blap. That entry should not be on the Boruto YMMV page since Boruto came after the fanfic.

      Water Blap & Xtfir: I see your points, with that in mind I would agree that the example would pertain more to the fanwork than the actual series, I just thought that it would still be relevant for the latter. But the Boruto YMMV looks okay as it is now, there's no urgent need to add the example to make it better.
  • 1 Feb 4th, 2018 at 6:06PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 4th Feb, 2018 06:45:58 PM
    is there any funny anime out there

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  • 2 Feb 1st, 2018 at 2:02PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 1st Feb, 2018 06:42:48 PM
    Characters.Bokura Wa Minna Kawaisou is a stub. What examples it did have were either removed for no longer being tropes or ZCE. It even had template sample text on the top before I removed it.

    It hasn't otherwise been seriously edited since last September. Should it go to the Cut List or should I see about that can be moved from the at first glance fine Manga.Bokura Wa Minna Kawaisou?

    I don't know the series, just something I came across on a Wiki Walk. Reply

      I would just cut it as a stub. There's no real content left. Maybe message the creator/last editor first and see if they are still active?

      I'll just cut it then. The creator made it in February '17, then had no activity at all until December '17, and none since and a grand total of seven edits, three of which were this page.

      There's a lot of inbounds (over 350), but I'll leave that call to the mods
  • 1 Feb 1st, 2018 at 5:05AM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 1st Feb, 2018 05:31:27 AM
    Okay this is driving me crazy! There was a show I used to watch when I was younger (1990s-2000s) where a kid used to climb under his duvet and there was a tunnel at the end of the bed that lead to anotherís world! Itís NOT KING! But similar plot. This show Iím thinking of was for younger kids, it was very pleasant and sweet. It was animated and thatís all I remember! Does anyone remember the name??? Help!!! Reply
  • 1 Jan 31st, 2018 at 7:07PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 31st Jan, 2018 07:35:19 PM
    Ok, so there was this anime show I was watching around that time and I for the life of me can't remember the name. So I'll tell you the seen I do remember. It's a guy and a girl sitting somewhere I think its on steps or something but then I think some crisis or war breaks out and she ends up going into labor. MIND YOU THE FEMALE LOOKS NO OLDER THEN 12-14 YEARS OLD!. Anways she goes into labor and the guy friend is nowhere to be found but someone else comes and helps her which Im guessing is the twin of the guy friend that is MIA since they look exactly alike but with different clothes. the female recognizes him as her friend but he doesn't know who she is but decides to help and way. And the one part that I can remember very clearly is where she is holding his arm while pushing the baby out and she twist his arm so hard that his skin tore. That's all I remember please help me figure out what it was called Reply
  • 1 Jan 30th, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 30th Jan, 2018 01:39:32 PM
    What's the name of that trope in anime( although it's present in other media) where a character will have there eyes opened, but their pupil will be closed? Reply
  • 3 Jan 28th, 2018 at 9:09PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 29th Jan, 2018 12:54:37 AM
    I am looking for a strange 3d animation series that featured 1 guy and an anthropomorphic evil cat. the episodes were really short and I can only remember the loose premise of 1 of the episodes where the guy and cat are fighting over a magic pencil and or paintbrush that could create reality. there are absolutely no lines in the show only music, sound effects, and various grunts/exclamations.

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  • 2 Jan 28th, 2018 at 7:07AM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2018 03:06:51 PM
    Should I make a new page for Cardcaptor Sakura: Clear Card or just let it keep sharing the original Card Captor Sakura page? It is a sequel series, rather than a straight continuation, so what do you guys think? Reply

      If you can make it a standalone page, with three tropes with context and an original description, sure. But if it'd be too similar to the predecessor, just keep it there.

      As a sequel, it should get a separate page, in my opinion.

      If you think you'll have trouble doing a good page in one go (because life happens), you can use Sandbox.Cardcaptor Sakua Clear Card or Sandbox.Purr Elise to work on it. Sandbox pages are assumed to be under construction. Just remember to cutlist it when you're done.
  • 1 Jan 24th, 2018 at 2:02PM
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    Lastest Reply: 24th Jan, 2018 03:03:32 PM
    Hey I've been wondering for a while. What is the trope where someone is attacked (usually MC) and they effortlessly block the attack but you can tell that it was a powerful attack because of the shockwaves/floor breaking etc. An example is Bleach 114 where Yammy attacks Ichigo right after he uses Bankai.

    Cheers. Reply
  • 4 Jan 18th, 2018 at 1:01PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 18th Jan, 2018 04:40:11 PM
    There is an Edit War brewing on the Naruto Hokages Characters page. The troper acrobox deleted Badass Grandpa on 6th Dec '17 11:14:23 PM without giving an edit reason, but presumably it was due to this discussion thread, where it was stated that Badass Grandpa is being cleaned up due to it being rather generic and moved to more specific tropes. However, the troper reppuzan re-added the Badass Grandpa entry on 18th Jan '18 12:34:20 PM. Reply

      If it is being removed since the trope is being cleaned up, then reading it isn't okay. However I would suggest contacting Reppuzan about the trope being removed for clean up reasons, that should of been stated.

      Re-remove it and leave an edit reason. Looks like Acrobox's removal was before Acrobox was called out on not-leaving edit reasons so unless someone re-readds it, it's fine.

      @Larkmarn — have you noticed that when you try to link a previous ATT post, it ends up saying "No Results Found"?

      I tried to reference that ATT post and another one regarding Badass Grandpa, but it seems that there's a bug going on here, where you can't view ATT posts on a separate tab or window because it'll come up saying "No Results Found..."

      But back to this, should I re-remove it and explain the Badass Grandpa clean up situation?

      ^ yes please, link this att if you need (it should work)
  • 2 Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:04PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 14th Jan, 2018 05:18:14 PM
    Hello. I have a question for those familiar with The Testament of Sister New Devil.

    Basara Tojo's Traumatic Superpower Awakening when he stopped the demon who stole Brynhildr inadvertently killed several of Basara's friends at the worst possible time and understandably caused him to be exiled from the village. As such, would that be considered a Nice Job Breaking It, Hero!, an Unwitting Instigator of Doom, or both at once? Reply

      Questions like this are better asked on the Is This An Example? page.

      Gotcha. I'll go ahead and move it to that page immediately.
  • 2 Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:03PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 14th Jan, 2018 04:13:05 PM
    Greetings. I was wondering what's the procedure to change a work's name. There a specific work that has been recently translated to English and I wish to switch the Japanese name to the now translated English name. How do we proceed? Thanks in advance. Reply

      Create the page with its English name, copy the content over to it, then replace the content on the page with the Japanese name with a redirect to the new page.

      Thank you.
  • 1 Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:05PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 11th Jan, 2018 05:50:05 PM
    Hey, I'm just wondering, I don't suppose there's a way for me to search for characters by tropes? I went to the Sadist page, but it doesn't include all examples of sadists from Anime, so I was wondering if there was a page with such a list. Reply

      If you click on the "Related" link near the top of the Sadist page it will take you to a list of all the pages that has a link to the Sadist page
  • 4 Jan 9th, 2018 at 3:03PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 11th Jan, 2018 08:42:01 AM
    Hi guys, I really need your help. I was wandering what kind of tropes were missing in the "Claymore" page, and than I realized something: I haven't the foggiest idea about why or where the author took the name "Asarakam". I found out that it's a Pali word that means "empty", but it could be just a coincidence since they are draconic monsters that seemed sentient (or at least far from being "empty"). Reply

      So what are you asking?

      This seems like a question for Trope Finder, but I would say that the example you're asking about could go under Genius Bonus in the work's (or series') YMMV/ page, or under Meaningful Name or Bilingual Bonus (depending on the full context of who the character is, etc.).

      Thank you, but I still don't know why the author chose that name so, since this community is so large, I was hoping to find someone who knows this piece of information.

      Try the Animé part of the forums and especially the claymore thread if it exists. Any thread for the author's works in general might also be good.
  • 2 Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:05PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 5th Jan, 2018 10:47:17 PM
    i first became aware of this on TearJerker.Yu Gi Oh Arc V, and looking at the page I found it and the other subpages are all kind of a mess. The Awesome.Yu Gi Oh Arc V page has more of an And the Fandom Rejoiced Meta section, the Funny.Yu Gi Oh Arc V, NightmareFuel.Yu Gi Oh Arc V, WhamEpisode.Yu Gi Oh Arc V and Heartwarming.Yu Gi Oh Arc V pages go episode-by-episode, and all of them are very very long.

    The YMMV.Yu Gi Oh Arc V page has similar issues (see the HSQ entry), as does the anime's main page due to being troped episodically.

    For smaller page examples the DeconstructedTrope.Yu Gi Oh Arc V and RealityEnsues.Yu Gi Oh Arc V lists are accurate, but many of those tropes were either reconstructed or made inconsequential the further the series went on and seem to be added when they were new.

    I don't even know if there's a way to fix them they're so big. Reply

      Maybe the people in the forum thread can help.

      Thanks, I'll try there.
  • 1 Jan 5th, 2018 at 2:02AM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 5th Jan, 2018 05:51:37 AM
    Should I consder Diabolik Lovers as a Snark Bait from the Anime? Reply

      That seems more like a question for the talk page.
  • 6 Jan 2nd, 2018 at 11:11AM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 4th Jan, 2018 12:56:40 PM
    On the Anti-Villain page for Anime and Manga, there's a wall of text for Attack on Titan that's almost entirely spoilered out. It's also really long and looks to be improperly indented. I'm not familiar with the work, so I can't fix it. Should I comment it out, or can someone clean it up real quick? Side note: The video games sub-page also has many entries with the same problem.

    Courtesy link: Anime and Manga Reply

      I added a request to help in the AoT forum thread, since I can't look at it myself right now.

      Good idea. Thanks!

      For what it's worth, the info send factually correct at first glance. There's definite room to trim, though.

      Okay, took a crack at the entry. Seems a lot more concise now.

      Hey guys, I just took a look at the new entries on the Anti-Villain page, and as a follower of Attack on Titan I must say that, they need to be more spoilered out, the first entry in particular is a huge Walking Spoiler, many fans who are anime-only come to this website and they are going to be very spoiled by that page.

      Can probably with in that. I hadn't been thinking of the anime only side of things, to be honest. Still, the whole point is not too over do it so maybe another rewrite is necessary .

      Edit: Added a few spoiler tags to keep things more obscure. At the very least, anyone who knows the series and isn't aware of what's to come shouldn't be too spoiled nor too confused by the entry.
  • 1 Jan 2nd, 2018 at 8:08PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Jan, 2018 08:32:58 PM
    There's currently an edit war in the Tsundere page for examples pertaining to Naruto, this seems to be started by two relatively new editors that seem to be quarrelling from a different forum. Since I am not involved in their arguments, I am unsure of intervening and asking them to move their arguments to the discussion page. So I wanted to at least bring the moderators' attention to it. Reply

      Suspensions given to both parties.
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