• 9 Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 29th Mar, 2017 06:45:14 AM
    Defiant Armadillo has been adding a note on the character page and the main page, stating that the information for the series is only on the main and character pages and the Mahouka official wiki.

    I removed it from both pages since it's considered natter, but the note was just put back in on the main page. I don't want to start an edit war over this matter, but can someone look into it? Thanks. Reply

      DefiantArmadillo has been doing the same the same thing on several other pages. I already removed the note that was on the Persona 5 page.

      Has anyone PM'd him that we don't do that?

      Going through the recent edits, it looks like we've got a major problem here. I removed the note from the Mahouka main page and the SAO main page just now.

      Well, here's the basic rule for an Edit War as far as I know. If it's added, then deleted, no harm. If it's readded right away, that could be an Edit War.

      Well, it's been added and deleted twice on that Light Novel page, so technically we're already at the point of an Edit War.

      EDIT: Yeah, on the Characters page too, but at least that was two weeks between the first edit and the most recent regarding the weird Wiki information.

      Yep, I would agree that from a technical standpoint, we're at the point of an Edit War and because of that, I wanted to post here so that discussion would take place.

      I sent them a PM five days ago after deleting the natter they added to the SAO Character page, telling them that they're Edit Warring by re-adding the same information multiple times and that they should take it to discussion/PM instead. I've gotten no response, they've not used any of the discussion pages, and evidently they've not given up on trying to add the information again. At this point they've tried to add it to nearly a dozen different pages, even with multiple unrelated tropers deleting it for being natter. I think a mod's intervention is required.

      Pulled them in.

      Called to the principal's office for a chat about Natter and Edit Warring. Go ahead and remove it from all pages you encounter it on.
  • 4 Mar 27th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Mar, 2017 10:25:32 PM
    One of the examples in the Anime & Manga folder of Now, Let Me Carry You doesn't specify the work it came from. Does anyone know the source? And do we have any written policy on what to do with such entries? Thanks Reply

      I'll guess Mikaela Hyakuya, but I'm not sure. The policy when the work name is missing is to remove it. Try contacting the troper who added it.

      Googling the characters' names points out toward Owari no Seraph/Seraph of the End. Needs confirming, but it looks the best fit.

      If you can't find the work name, my guess is that such entry should be commented out, with an additional "Please add the work name", for later correction. (I doubt there is any written policy, though).

      If the example is recent, you can also message the editor who added it, to point out the mistake.

      In general, not something we want. Exceptions for "A short story by Specific Author" may be allowed, since the example can be cross-wicked to the author's Creator/ page, and it should be relatively easy for someone familiar with the author's work to fill in the name eventually. (I've seen this happen dozens of times.)

      Without at least the author's name, though, or something similar to help pin it down, yeah, there's simply nothing to go on.

      I'd recommend pulling the example to the discussion page, myself. But whatever works; I don't think there's a policy on it beyond you're supposed to have the work name in the example on the trope page.
  • 2 Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Mar, 2017 03:25:24 PM
    Peeve added the Insane Troll Logic entry to YMMV.Interviews With Monster Girls. I wanted to remove it for complaining, but I want to be sure whether it's actually complaining. Reply

      Not a YMMV trope, so it doesn't go there period.

      It also doesn't seem like a good example, but I'm not familiar with the manga enough to know. It's definitely too long, though.
  • 4 Mar 14th, 2017 at 1:01AM
    Lastest Reply: 15th Mar, 2017 05:41:03 AM
    For Dungeon Meshi, the tabs have different capitalization for the title. The main page makes it appear as "dungeonmeshi", the trivia tab shows it as "Dungeonmeshi", while the other tabs properly show it as "Dungeon Meshi". Reply

      Sounds like someone mistyped when creating the Trivia page.

      You can create the correctly titled page, copy over the information, then cut list the mistitled page.

      Would that affect the other tabs in any way? Also, the WikiWord for the pages are actually correct, but the displayed title is different.

      Ah, then that's a different matter.

      If the Wiki Wording is correct, don't move the pages. You'll need new custom titles instead.

      I'm not sure the wiki wording is correct. It changes depending on the tab, it seems like.
  • 9 Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Mar, 2017 07:52:52 AM
    Is Mekko Rarekko allowed? I know nothing of it but from glancing over the page it sounds like a mainly nsfw doujin starring furry middle schoolers. I thought that type of stuff was banned a few years ago? Reply

      How NSFW is it? How much sex per chapter does it contain?

      You can run it by the P5 if you think it's too racy for this site. They're the ones who decide where the line is drawn.

      Permission to run it to the P5 and the Content Discussion Thread?

      Hi there. I'm technically the one who created that page. I say technically because it was my first account and not this one.

      Anyway, that aside, being a very big fan of the series and after seeing that it was mentioned here before it the page was created, on the Porn with Plot page, I decided to be the one to make the work page we now have for it. I have also read the entire series so I am well aware of the plot.

      Now that being said, I made a page for it because unlike most of the others, it does have a strong plot to it and it is not pure porn. Also I have seen the 5p policy and what it doesn't want in a adult work and it does not violate any of what TV tropes doesn't want to see from it. But I will accept whatever ends up happening to the page.

      Also not to potentially stir the pot even more, but under the content policy and the 5p circuit, under what we want flagged and what we don't want flagged, the second last bullet point says, and I quote:

      Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page. If the trope page looks really bad, see points 3 and 4 below

      So did you read the entire page or did you just merely glance at it?

      That work has been irking me for a while. Even in the,no, ESPECIALLY its entry in the " Porn with Plot " page seems highly innapropiate. It even admits its got loads of "Furry Sex". I think we should nuke it.

      Probably should run it by the p5 as is. Definitely sounds like it could be kept, though.

      Aegis P, other entries are not a good argument. What matters is experience with the work that gives us the most accurate details. A person who actually has read it just said there's quite a lot of plot. A work can still have lots of sex(doesn't matter if it's furry, as long as it's not mostly sex and not any underage sex) but easily fit the content policy. Context matters more than a single entry or a laconic description.

      It says that there is sex. It does NOT say there is loads of sex. Did you even read it thoroughly?

      Ok, Ok. I know the final decision is up to the P5 anyway. All I ask is for a bit of restraint when it comes to the PWP entries and other entries. No gushing or too lurid descriptions. Then Im Peachy!

      Not a question for Ask The Tropers. Please use the "Report page" button in the sidebar and the "The page may violate the Content Policy" checkbox if you think a work may violate the 5P policy. Although I'll say that "NSFW" on its own is not generally an issue.
  • 1 Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Mar, 2017 08:22:53 PM
    I don't know if this is a trope, but if it is, what's the name for when a guy presses a girl up against a wall with his hands on either side of her? I know this is a thing in anime where a guy does it to a girl and it generally makes her heart flutter. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? And if so, what's the name for this trope? Reply
  • 3 Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Mar, 2017 09:11:13 AM
    Kanashimi No Belladonna appears to be marketed in English as Belladonna of Sadness. It is listed as such at Amazon and other places that sell the DVD. Is a title change appropriate? I believe it would be but approximately 0.000001% of the articles I edit are anime so I thought I should ask. Reply

      Appears it's an official English name.

      I see that Belladonna of Sadness is listed as a redirect when it should be the other way around. I guess I will just transplant the text and make Kanashimi No Belladonna the redirect.

      Yes, that's the proper procedure. When there is an official English title (as opposed to fan translation and the like), the English title is favored.
  • 2 Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Mar, 2017 08:45:35 AM
    An old animated TV show with a little Asian girl in a fuzzy hat who runs up the stairs with a boy who she gets along with very well and they both have spears. Reply
  • 7 Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Mar, 2017 10:26:03 AM
    Romona 122003 changed all spellings of "Freeza" to "Frieza" in Awesome.Dragon Ball Super. While I personally prefer the latter spelling, I know that it's a Funimation-specific spelling and the proper spelling is the former. Regardless, isn't spelling supposed to be First-Come-First-Serve? Reply

      For terms with more than one spelling option (that isn't just a US/Commonwealth difference), the order of priority is thus:

      1) The official spelling if there is one.

      2) If there is no official spelling, the first or most widely-used one.

      3) if the first spelling can't be established, and the variants are used about equally, it's first-come-first-served.

      Regardless of which spelling is used, the page(s) for a work should be consistent in using one and only one.

      Use whatever Kai used since it's the most recent official dub.

      Also, pretty sure the name you were looking for is Ramona122003.

      Note that when Mad says "official spelling," it's "official spelling in an English-language translation."

      Funimation are the folks who distribute the Dragonball anime (including Super) in the US, and their official spelling is "Frieza".

      Personally, I prefer the "Freeza" spelling, but our policy would be the other, I think.

      Then yup, "Frieza" it is.

      The only thing more official than the English-language distribution company would be if the actual production company had an official translation/transliteration. So I'd say go with "Frieza" if that's what the distribution company uses.
  • 1 Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Feb, 2017 11:03:40 AM
    Antihero: Tanya is amoral, has a somewhat cynical outlook on life and has no real concern for the people around her aside from how she can use them to her advantage. She does what she does for purely pragmatic reasons, in stark contrast to the ideal hero the Empire sees her as. (c) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/YoujoSenki Reply
  • 1 Feb 27th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Feb, 2017 11:16:31 AM
    I have seen in various abridged series (YGOTAS, DBZA, etc.) that the abridge makers would sometimes reinterpret some aspect of the series and make a connection between two seemingly unrelated events. As an example, the original Yugioh anime made no connection between Joey's and Noah's backstories. But the abridged series first made a joke about Joey forcing his sister to learn to drive, and only years later when the Noah arc came was it revealed that Joey's forced driving instructions actually put Noah in a coma. Is there a trope like this? Reply
  • 2 Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Feb, 2017 03:23:27 PM
    In the TV Tropes page on Villain Songs, it says there was a song made for Android 18 from Dragon Ball Z. However, I can't seem to find the song. Does anybody know where it is? Reply

      I say cut it. It's likely a piece of fanwork, and not official.

      @sailing101: Well, don't cut the one for Vegeta. There really is a villain song for him. See?
  • 1 Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Feb, 2017 07:09:15 PM
    While adding an entry to Cross Player, I noticed that several entries for the .hack animes were in the video game folder. While moving them to the correct places, and adding namespaced links because they weren't there already, I discovered something odd.

    The .hack//Roots anime doesn't actually have a page. I wouldn't sweat this normally, just add a Anime/DotHackRoots redlink and let wiki magic to the rest (I don't know the series well enough myself to trope it). That's when I saw it didn't redlink. Looking into that, it took me to an "inexact title" page w here I discovered while there's no page for the anime, there is a Tearjerker.Dot Hack Roots connected to both the main TearJerker.Anime And Manga page and to TearJerker.Dot Hack.

    Given that there's no work page for it to go with, I was thinking Cut the Tearjerker.Dot Hack Roots while moving the content over to a folder in TearJerker.Dot Hack so it isn't just lost and can possibly be moved later if a .hack//Roots page does come up later.However, I wanted to double check that this was the right process or that there wasn't some other step I should look into before submitting the page to be Cut. Reply

      Not a mod, but it sounds like the right process to me. As long as the entries are preserved in the main .hack page it seems good to me.
  • 6 Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 16th Feb, 2017 07:44:48 PM
    Hi, Was reading the trope page of 'This Bites' by the Cross-Brain Group (Xomniac, CV 12 Hornet and The Patient One) and it was mentioned that 'This Bites' is the number 1 rated One piece fic, the number rated Self-Insert fic and the number 9 (or 7) fic overall on Fanfiction.net. Was wondering if you could send me a link to the source page you got your statistics from? Reply

      Those should be removed. We don't list rankings or ratings for works.

      In other words, a regular troper added that outside of site guidelines.

      To my knowadge neither Fanfic.net or AO3 list rankings, so I'm gonna guess they either came from some obscure archive we can't call credible or right out of the editors rectum.

      Maybe the "rankings" are in number of hits or reviews.

      In that case, it would need better wording, but would be allowed to stay on the page.


      ^^ No, even with better wording it wouldn't be allowed to stay on the page. As Fighteer already mentioned we don't list ratings/rankings for works.
  • 2 Feb 12th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2017 10:26:44 PM
    Can someone help edit the TV Tropes page for my Fairy Tail fanfic series, the Fairy Mythos Series? Also, can someone recommend it on the Fairy Tail Fanfic Rec page? Reply

      You cant. And its egotistical to ask people to fave your stuff without even reading it.

      You can CROSSWICK it to draw attention (as long as the tropes are valid) but there's rules against self-pimping your works and adding them to fanfic recs would count as doing so.
  • 3 Feb 11th, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2017 04:54:59 PM
    Hey, I edited the "Axis Powers Hetalia" entry of The Stoic page, and not only fixed the Incorrect Example Indentation, but provided context where there was none, corrected factual errors and fixed poor grammar. My changes were immediately reverted to the previous incorrect form by Meepie V with no reason given, and I restored the changes. I'm concerned that the person in question will try and revert the changes again, and don't want to be accused of Edit Warring. So I'm posting this here for a mod to keep watch or handle it however they see fit. I'm new to the site and don't know all of the ropes quite yet. Reply

      Looking at the history, I don't think the reversion was intentional. Did the edit lock expire when you made your initial edit? This looks like edit collusion—they likely started editing before you submitted your edit (or, possibly, they started editing before you edited and didn't submit until after you had), so their (large, correctly-indented) Game of Thrones examples accidentally also reverted your Hetalia changes.

      Did you try sending the other troper a message?

      Oh, I didn't think of that. The first time I tried to edit the page, I ran into Meepie V's edit lock, and they may not have been done editing by the time it ran out. I'll shoot them a message just to clarify. Thanks.

      Just got a reply back - the reverted changes are definitely unintentional. So all is fine.
  • 1 Feb 3rd, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 3rd Feb, 2017 05:13:30 AM
    I saw a couple of episodes of a series at an anime club meetup a few years back. This would have been sometime between 2010 and 2013. The series shows a young man's first two years of college, but every episode is like an alternate timeline where he picks up a different hobby. The first episode has him joining the cycling team, and the second has him getting involved in a prank war. Reply
  • 2 Feb 1st, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Feb, 2017 05:05:47 AM
    I see that many example are doubled in the Lupin III page. Can i suggest of move the tropes list from Lupin III (every series has already his personal page) to Lupin III? Reply

      Franchise pages are for tropes really applying to the whole franchise. It's normal they would have less tropes than dedicated pages. Duplicate tropes are not that much of a problem.

      It's not quite super/sub-trope relationship; a Multimedia Franchise page should not have any tropes from just one medium. So instead, I've done what I could to have any trope on the franchise page list an example from at least two, preferably three or more mediums. Naturally, this means that trope examples are duplicated from the medium pages.

      Some tropes that happen in the anime don't happen in any other medium, so cannot be duplicated on the Multimedia Franchise page.
  • 3 Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Jan, 2017 01:50:23 PM
    Recently, I came across content in the character section for a work that seems to contradict my understanding of the story. While it doesn't reflect my interpretation of what happened in the material, I want to verify how the contributor reached their conclusion before deleting their work. Since it's not really a Trope Repair issue, I was writing to see where would be an appropriate place to get a conversation going regarding this issue. Thanks! Reply

      Create a thread in that page's Discussion page and ideally, look in the page's history to find who put that entry in and PM them inviting them to discussion.

      Can also happen in the forum if you know they're active in the work's thread.

      First of all, let me say thank you for not simply arguing on the page. :)

      As the previous posters said, trying to contact the troper who wrote the example via PM is best, if you can. If that fails, then it's acceptable to repair the example, but maybe put the old version on the discussion page and make sure to mention that in your edit reason!
  • 2 Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Jan, 2017 05:17:26 AM
    Please refresh my memory: beyond Weblinks Are Not Examples problems, are links toward scanlation websites (like Mangafox) tolerated in an article, or should they be avoided? Reply

      Illegal scanlations are not tolerated, period. It sends the message that wiki-we encourage piracy.

      Nope. No links to scanlation sites of dubious legality.
  • 1 Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Jan, 2017 02:27:26 PM
    I have doubt on Bleached Underpants example in Anime/ Yatterman. Maybe Bowdlerise fit better the example? Reply
  • 1 Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Jan, 2017 01:26:39 AM
    Would Electric Tale of Pikachu count as What Do You Mean It's For Kids? or the opposite. This one confuses me because it's states it's a shonen which is considered for teenagers most of the time as there's already something called children's manga. Reply
  • 6 Jan 10th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Jan, 2017 05:40:06 AM
    This troper left a fairly rude edit reason on Pokémon. Reply

      That's inexcusable, but I do find Older Than They Think (along with Common Knowledge to a lesser extent) to often wind up as strawmanning complaints and basically explain how the complaints are wrong (even/especially when the complaints aren't actually what's covered by the trope).

      Does this person show any autistic traits? If not, I'd ban them and force them to change handle based on using the 4chan definition of autist alone, IF I was a Moderator. We don't allow slurs in handles.

      I... don't think we can make armchair psychologist judgments on whether someone is autistic or not through their editing patterns. And I'm positive we don't want to. Either certain words should be banned from being in handles or they shouldn't, I don't think we can play N-Word Privileges here.

      True, I've been on reddit too much. I honestly think we shouldn't allow handles to use it, based on its use as a slur.

      Suspended for the edit reason, the handle is not a slur.

      "Autist" literally means "person on the autism spectrum" - it's in no way a slur.

      And of course, blacklisting words from usernames can lead to a Scunthorpe problem.
  • 7 Jan 10th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Jan, 2017 03:49:18 PM
    What's the difference between Unintentionally Sympathetic and Misaimed Fandom, if any? A YMMV.Yu Gi Oh edit I made about fans sympathizing with Seto Kaiba when the story paints him as a jerk who's not meant to be liked, albeit with a tragic backstory and some Pet the Dog moments (I put it under Unintentionally Sympathetic) was deleted on accounts of 'he's a jerk', but the same basic stuff is under Misaimed Fandom on the same page so i was wondering what the difference is. (Fans sympathize with Thief King Bakura for similar reasons, minus the pet the dog stuff.) Reply

      The former is a subtrope to the latter, I believe. Misaimed Fandom is not limited to the fandom finding a character intended to be loathsome sympathetic, but generally, it's more about fans misinterpreting the intended message of the story.

      That makes sense :) Thanks! So MF is for the work as a whole while US is for characters?

      I deleted it because they exaggerated the extent of how he was portrayed in both canons. In both, he's a jerk with a few intentionally sympathetic moments that could fit under Cry for the Devil. Remember that there is a good chunk of the fandom that hates him just as much.

      Same thing the Bakura: an Axe Crazy psycho with an intentionally tragic backstory.

      Plus, Unintentionally Sympathetic is supposed to be when the story faults in how a character is portrayed, or at least that's what the description reads. We have Draco in Leather Pants for a reason: when it is the fandom's fault.

      You also exaggerated my edit reason: I started out saying "they are jerks" but then I also said that they have moments played for intentional sympathy.

      Keep in mind that you also listed Yugi and friends as Unintentionally Unsympathetic just for opposing them.

      Actually, the description uses "possibly" when saying "with justification". This implies that "the story faults in how a character is portrayed" is optional.

      Well it is listed on the Bad Writing Index.

      ^^^^ Well, MF seem to be a broad supertrope that covers any instance where the author's intention (whether it regards characterization and character dynamics, world-building or the general aesop) is perceived very differently by the general audience. I mean, shipping wars is apparently listed as a form of Misaimed Fandom, so the latter can be applied on individual characters.

      ^ I think that's more of a Sturgeon's Law thing, actually. US/UU are often cause by the writers not executing their intended characterisation properly, but it can also be caused by Values Dissonance, which is not really the author's fault.

      I go back and forth between feeling neutral towards Kaiba, sorry for him, and annoyed at him depending on the scene XD; When he loses to Yugi in Battle City the story agrees with Yami Yugi calling him out and being all "hatred is a dead end," and I can understand that, but Kaiba's so BROKEN by the loss that it's hard not to feel a LITTLE bad. The bold and italics make it sound like he's in denial as well as being angry, too.