• 1 Nov 21st, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 02:15:25 PM
    Sorry if this has been brought up before, but someone just removed the "common examples in media" section from Taxonomic Term Confusion, saying "examples aren't general".

    I always thought we WERE allowed to list common examples with the Artistic License pages. Reply
  • 9 Nov 20th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 01:06:23 PM
    Should it be on the actor's main page or a separate Trivia page for the actor? Example, the Career Resurrection entry for Mickey Rourke is placed on his trivia page, for Robert Downey, Jr. it's found on the actor's main page. Reply

      Creator pages do not have trivia subpages. Trivia items are allowed to be put on the creator's main page if there isn't a better place to put it.

      What the "if" means is that a lot of the trivia items that people put on actor pages are really about a single work the actor appeared in, so they belong on the work's trivia page. (I'm not sure how that works with Career Resurrection — is it about a single movie that revived the actor's career, or is it about a period of several movies?)

      Creator pages do have trivia pages, actually. There's a vague line drawn on what's relevant trivia when it comes to a real person, though.

      ^ What's considered irrelevant trivia then?

      ^^ They Don't Staff Has repeatedly said they don't,

      If you see one, move the trivia back to the creator page and cutlist it.

      Okay, so what to do about it? Michael Bay has a trivia page, so do we just cut it, or move the tropes to the main page (like Doing It for the Art, which applies to creators anyway)?

      Also should real life people have a ymmv page? He has that as well, and... well the complaining is at least noted instead of being done there.

      Creators don't get YMMV page, and don't get trivia pages. YMMV stuff should just be cut coz we don't apply YMMV to people. Tivia should be moved to the main creator page and the trivia page cut.

      ^ Yes and no to YMMV. Creators can get YMMV pages as long as they're about their works and there's no more fitting place for the example to go (as in if the work doesn't have an existing page or it spans several works).

      ^ Staff has suspended people for giving Creators YMMV Pages.

      The only time we allow YMMV on Creator page is if it's for a work we don't have a page for already. But even then not on YMMV pages apparently.

      I can't, but one of you can try to make a cleanup thread for getting rid of these bad pages.
  • 0 Nov 21st, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Film
    CloudCuckooClock uncommented a commented-out ZCE on Kingdom of Heaven by removing a "%%" formatting.

    When I PM'd them about removing this commenting-out format they answered that according to them they "simply fixed the bullet point formatting". I PM'd back that removing a %% according to this Wiki's formatting has nothing to do with "bullet point formatting" but that %% means "commenting out" (and has not anything to do with indentation), after which they didn't reply.

    Meanwhile, some other Troper unrelated to either Cloud Cuckoo Clock or me, has reverted their Kingdom of Heaven edit with a Zero-Context Example reason.

    If Cloud Cuckoo Clodk was serious in that Not Helping Their Case answer, they don't understand basic Wiki formatting, which is an even more basic issue than ZCE's. If they were just being snarky, there's still a ZCE (and Edit War!) issue. Reply
  • 3 Nov 16th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 12:12:36 PM
    I know there's a Ho Yay Cleanup thread but it's pretty dead. I know Ho Yay is accidental and Homoerotic Subtext is not. But...

    1. If the character is given a Word of Gay, then how do you decide between whether it's Ship Tease, Ho Yay, or Homoerotic Subtext? What about if they get a Relationship Upgrade in a future work? Case in point, HoYay.Revolutionary Girl Utena seems more like Ship Tease than anything.

    2. If only one character is explicitly gay/bi/etc, what does it go under? For example, I've been debating on whether to move the Yuki/Togo section on HoYay.Yuki Yuna Is A Hero for a while, as Togo is confirmed to like girls (more specifically, Yuna).

    3. In works that use Bait-and-Switch Lesbians or Hide Your Lesbians... Ho Yay or Homoerotic Subtext? HoYay.Maria Sama Ga Miteru and HoYay.Sound Euphonium come to mind considering how it's obvious the artists/writers weren't being coy. Reply
  • 2 Nov 21st, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Western Animation
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 11:12:58 AM
    I came across an odd cartoon when I was a child and it looked like it was made in 1930s (like the drawing style of the game, Cuphead) and in it, a group of kids are shrunk by an evil guy via a strange device, and one kid accidentally falls into a boot and restores his size, saving other kids and making the villain shrunk at the end. Can you tell me the name of this cartoon? Reply
  • 2 Nov 21st, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Live Action TV
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 08:57:20 AM
    I'm struck by a particular character in Sea Quest DSV, named General Guzmano, who's played by Luis Guzman - it's strange to me that he plays a minor character with such a strangely similar name to his own, but... NOT appearing as himself(?)

    Came here looking for the trope name and some more examples, but found nothing :-(... Maybe this isn't a typical enough thing to have a name? Maybe it's not even a trope kind of thing? I'd love to know Reply

      specifically the antogonist in Season 1, Episode 21 "The Good Death" — www.imdb.com/title/tt0696949/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_112

      Honestly, I'd just consider it a variant of The Danza. Though I think Trope Finder is the best place if you want to find something more specific.
  • 6 Nov 21st, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 08:51:23 AM
    Can an IP or geolocation check be done on Tropers.Masterofthelibrary? Going by their edit history, they are heavily affiliated with maedar, and their two most recent edits are similar to one maedar made as Lady Jane Grey back when that page was on the Franchise namespace. Said edit was made after maedar's Lady Jane Grey account was banned.

    I messaged them on this, but they never replied. Reply

      Not a sock; they are far too old to be one.

      (Also, is "meatpuppet" such an established term that people can be expected to know it off-hand?)

      It isn't really established, but I would imagine it means "this person was asked to make edits for a banned troper." Not sure why a IP check or geolocation check would help with anything other than sock detection, though.

      Editing to add: The fact that we have the trope Meat Puppet obfuscates the meaning we're saying it has. Hence why I don't think this meaning is really an established term but rather something a mod said off-hand about a week ago.

      Reason I'm asking for at least a geolocation check is because maedar has claimed masterofthelibrary is his coworker. If that's the case, then it would be easy for him to ask masterofthelibrary IRL to make edits on his behalf.

      Meatpuppeting has been reported here in the past as a distinction from sockpuppeting.

      I heard the term "meatpuppet" for the first time on this forum some time ago, but I think it was pretty intuitive to guess what it meant. "Like a sockpuppet, but of living meat" - that is, a person who's been manipulated or persuaded to post for someone else.

      Nerf Guy, can you provide a link to where maedar made that claim?

      Also, in the age of the Internet, you don't need to be near each other to work together.

      He made it off-site on his ffn profile; masterofthelibrary goes by a different handle there, too (The 7th Librarian is masterofthelibrary's ffn handle). Would it be a good idea to send such a link despite what else is on that page? I will if you guys think so, but I want another opinion first.
  • 3 Oct 28th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 07:08:54 AM
    Ghost redirect: ClubDerRotenBšnder, as listed here. Help me cut? Presumably it's supposed to go to Series.Club Der Roten Bander.

    Or we'll just leave it until the end of the Wick Namespace Migration... Reply

      This is a bit confusing. Club Der Roten B√§nder (with umlaut, link) is not listed as a redirect to Series.Club Der Roten Bander, nor does it seem possible to get to a page with an umlaut in its URL anyway. Club der roten Bšnder (without umlaut) is also not listed as a redirect.

      Nor are these pages apparently coded as redirects.

      It's listed in the list of all Main redirects, by namespace.

      Bump? 'Cause I'm going through my list of Main wicks again.

      Or just leave it until the end of the Wick Migrations?
  • 2 Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 04:13:34 AM
    This review is about the work's TV Tropes article, rather than the work itself. I think I reported it way back when (I assume so, since I can't click the flag button) but there's been no change. Can I report it again somewhere? Reply

      Well, you HAVE reported it here, so there's that.

      I've removed the review and banned the account, since it's their only action on the site, so it's probably a drive-by trolling.
  • 1 Nov 21st, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 01:19:07 AM
    How do you distinguish between these two tropes when placing examples? Reply
  • 2 Nov 20th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 01:18:57 AM
    The WMG page of Dragonball Super is getting too big, it needs to be made shorter. I feel that we need to give it a sub-page for the Universal Survival Arc, as that's the biggie. Where do I go to ask if I can do something like this? Reply

      Here's a good place to start.

      Asking for input in the show's forum thread is an idea too.

      We'd be happy if someone can propose a split plan, really.
  • 2 Nov 21st, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Nov, 2017 01:18:27 AM
    A new account is creating spam pages Reply

      Username is Williamsha. All 5 are on the cutlist.


      Banned and cut.
  • 3 Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 08:18:16 PM
    Refuge in Audacity is restricted to In-Universe Examples Only, but, strangely, it has a subpage for real life examples. Reply
  • 5 Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 06:19:04 PM
    xxxplizit moves all examples of Bland-Name Product in Manga.Blend S to ShoutOut.Blend S. Is that kosher? Reply

      While I can understand the logic, that's a bad idea. It's not exactly going to be obvious they're on that page, so there's a good chance people will assume they're just missing and re-add them.

      Do they even belong there? Is Bland-Name Product really a subtrope of Shout-Out? It's a related concept, and can be used as a or seen as a shout-out depending on context, but I don't think that's necessarily the case.

      To me, they seem more like sister tropes.

      That's also a big change without discussion and without any obvious problem or misuse. I think it needs a revert and PM.

      No, that's a bad edit. Shout-Out pages do not contain subtropes. The subtrope should be moved back.

      Manually reverted an PM'd.
  • 4 Nov 17th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 05:23:14 PM
    I read on this site that sanji carries nami 5 time in bridal style. Can someone tell all 5 moments pleasee . Reply

      Might have more luck asking in the forum. And telling us what work you are talking about - I take it's One Piece?

      Also your grammar is kind of wonky Trafalgar.

      Trafalgar, I'm going to potentially save you a lot of trouble - if that's the quality of grammar we can expect from your edits, you're going to face a wiki suspension very quickly.

      I'll save you even more trouble. I think you should pay a visit to the Get Help With English thread, which is here: click

      They can help you with your grammar.
  • 4 Nov 17th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 05:20:39 PM
    On YMMV.Ponyo On The Cliff By The Sea, there's a big long discussion under Ensemble Darkhorse as to why Fujimoto is so popular. Should this be cut down? Reply

      I think it should. That's a Conversation in the Main Page, and that's against the rules. Looks like it was a Running Gag to be funny when the page was created years ago, though someone recently bit into it and added on the gag last month.

      I'll wait for a mod and see if this gag needs retiring.

      Since it's Conversation on the main page, the mods will likely say cut it back to the actual example(s). Such a running gag would be on a JFF page. Maybe.

      Yes, please cut that down to a reasonable example.

      It's been done.
  • 8 Nov 20th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 03:54:56 PM
    I would argue that Living Toys is People Sit on Chairs. My daughter has a stuffed dog named Spot that communicates by saying "woh". You can understand him by how many times he says "woh" and how he says it. https://imgur.com/gallery/I84Mu "Woh woh woh! (translation: I love you!)" It's normal to pretend stuffed animals are alive. Reply

      We need evidence from media pages that it is People Sit on Chairs. You provided no such evidence.

      Hi, dotheroar. Been a while since you've been here.

      And you? Do you have evidence for the sockpuppet accusation?

      Well, unless there's another person named Trisha who thinks her stuffed animals are alive and that animals are intelligent (noting that despite claiming they're talking about their daughter, they made an edit saying it was their dog) so... yeah.

      This is about as blatant as you can get.

      I would say "pretending toys are alive in real life" has little baring to whether or not "toys actually being alive in fiction" is a trope.

      Also pretending and understanding are different things, and "belief makes it true" does not apply to real life.

      Edit: Wait, Larkman are you saying this is that parrot weirdo?

      It 100% is. You can take a look at their edit history that should make it pretty clear. Even if it wasn't (it is), their edits are so bad they almost all would need to be reverted anyway (and most of them already had been before I cleaned them up).

      Anyhoo, most of their edits have been cleaned up.

      An IP and/or geolocation check is in order, regardless.

      Yep, geolocation proves that this is dotheroar. Goodbye!
  • 1 Nov 20th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 03:49:03 PM
    Dr Psyche sent me a message, but it doesn't have a subject, so I can't access it. Did something happen to my PMs? All of my other messages are fine. Reply

      Hmmm, that's odd. A subject is supposed to be required, so that may be an issue. It's possible that blank characters are used as the subject.

      I'll relay this to the devs.
  • 4 Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 03:40:39 PM
    engjap45's only edit so far is to insert chained Pot Holes to images in Characters.Miss Kobayashis Dragon Maid. Link chaining is already a no-no under Sink Hole, but the subject matter of the edits is something I also find eyebrow raising because I believe it is frowned upon in this Wiki. Blanking on the term we use for it on the moment, thought it was Auto-Erotic Troping, but it's not that. Edit: Closest I can think of is calling it Fetish Fuel-y.

    Sent a Sink Hole notifier, but I thought should bring it up here just in case. Also not sure if I should get rid of all their image links or just cut them down to one per edited example. Reply

      Deleted all those links. Apart from them being chained links, also on Imgur images very frequently are deleted so people get a "Not Found" (see "URL links are not guaranteed to work forever" on Weblinks Are Not Examples).

      Guess I'll remove the other Imgur links they added too, then.

      For reference, what's a "chained link"? I don't think I've ever seen that term

      Every word is "potholed" to an external link. It's like a "chained pothole" or an All-Blue Entry but with external links instead of internal ones.

      Should engjap45 be PM'd about this or is the sinkhole notifier all that's needed?
  • 1 Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 01:37:30 PM
    I was looking for a page image for Faye Matas page, and I found one that I think could work. There's two things about it, though. One is that it's from her MySpace page, so I assume that it's a profile pic of sorts, and the other is that there's a "QQ." in it, which I assume is a logo. I don't know what TV Tropes' image policy on those two things are. Would it be alright to use this image? Reply

      Can't see your picture as it says the server is down, but How to Pick a Good Image might help you out. Copyright symbols, macros, and watermarks are a no-no.

      Generally the Image Pickin' forum is the place to suggest images.
  • 1 Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 12:21:17 PM
    Is there any appreciable difference between I Just Want to Be Loved and Desperately Craves Affection? Reply
  • 1 Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 12:09:11 PM
    hi there, when i was a child like 6 years old am 18 now i used to watch a cartoon show about two goblins or ogers friends they take adventures in the woods and forest can someone help me find the name of the show its like disney stuff i cant find it in the internet ! Reply
  • 4 Nov 18th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Film
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 10:51:23 AM
    There's a note when you edit the film page saying the index is too long and needs to be split. And there are red links for Franchise Films, 2010-2014, and 2015-2019. But those articles haven't been made yet. Can I go ahead and make those pages? That will require taking almost everything out of the main page which will raise flags. Reply

      You'd have to create a TLP entry, but I have plans for a singular year page: Films Of 2012, which will make the page shorter, while not pulling everything.

      I guess I don't understand why a TLP thread is required. The index page from the Aughts was divided into three sub-indexes. Presumably the index page for The New Tens would be divided in the same way.

      It's necessary since making new pages in Main requires TLP. Those sub-indexes were made in 2014, when TLP was encouraged, but not needed. And I will change my entry to five years.

      OK then. I hope anyone who reads this exchange will go to YKTTW and give a hat so we can get the ball rolling on making the page.
  • 1 Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Film
    Lastest Reply: 20th Nov, 2017 10:36:41 AM
    I remembered these days about a TV show or a movie that I used to watch when I was little and the only thing I could remember is that there was a necklace and the person (or a specific person) who wore it could read minds. Any ideas? Reply
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