• 3 Jun 7th, 2018 at 11:11PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 8th Jun, 2018 01:11:52 PM
    I had to clean up the examples involving Kanyes political views, but other tropers keep adding it back. Ill admit I added some myself, but since its causing edit warring, I deleted the examples altogether. Should there be a mod warning to prevent any more politics-related examples from betting added back. Reply

      1. Please link to the page in question, which is Awesome.Kanye West.

      2. You probably should have reported it here before you removed the examples so you're not caught in the war. I don't know how often you edit that page, but you were the 4th edit on that example; it takes 3 edits (add-remove-add or vice-versa) to start a war.

      3. You need to name the users involved in the war. One of the warred edits is a Donald Trump edit, and Pouncivalfan 1321 is the person involved.

      I posted the removed example in the Trump and ROCEJ thread.

      Added a notice.

      My apologies for my mistakes. I only wanted to notify the mods so that it doesn't happen again after I deleted everything.
  • 3 May 28th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 29th May, 2018 03:22:04 PM
    Should tropes that occur in music videos (but not the song itself) still be listed in the Music section of a trope page? Reply

      Yes.

      Yes, that's the correct category.

      I've seen separate Music and Music Video sections. Is that not kosher?
  • 4 May 16th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 17th May, 2018 12:14:28 PM
    Pretty much what the title says: the page is a big one full of such descriptions, and you can check to see if your guess was correct by opening the spoiler which tops each section off.

    EDIT: I'm searching for this; probably should've made that clear oops Reply

      Which page?

      Well the description sounds like one of the Better Than It Sounds pages

      It does resemble that, although that's obviously more light-hearted. It would be strange if they took that as a serious descriptions page.

      Was this question a suggestion for a page, or a request seeking pages like that?

      Since people often have musical interests confined to some genres, you might wish to divide it into sections based on genre. It might be more engaging if there were a sequence to it, so that the descriptions seem to have a deeper meaning. At least descriptions should follow a similar format, if you wanted it to include lots of entries. Then it might seem like the same 'game.'

      (Some users might see spoilers, as hiding them is optional.)

      Thanks, I was looking for this rather than requesting. I forgot to clarify that when I posted originally.

      It was indeed Better Than It Sounds; I would've responded earlier but I couldn't actually check that specific sub-page because for some reason half of this site is blocked at my school (not including the forum-based stuff which is ironic because pretty much every other social site is inaccessible). Good times.
  • 1 Apr 25th, 2018 at 12:12AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 25th Apr, 2018 12:28:58 AM
    The Lonely Island: Tried to add an example to that page and to crosswick to an obscure trope, but cannot do it. Why? Reply

      It's locked so only mods and admins can edit it. According to Locked Pages, it was locked because there were too many in-jokes and profanities for readers. Go here to ask mods to edit the page or unlock it.
  • 1 Apr 20th, 2018 at 1:01AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 20th Apr, 2018 03:40:03 AM
    I am doing an MA and would like to credit the name of the person who did the article on Concept Albums http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConceptAlbum mervspence@live.com Reply

      TV Tropes is a collaborative wiki. While individual edits are logged to specific users, the articles themselves are not credited to any one person or persons. If you use TV Tropes as a reference source, attribution should go to tvtropes.org.

      Edit: Worth noting is that TV Tropes is a tertiary source, like Wikipedia. It is not suitable as a reference for factual information about media. However, it may be cited if the subject is TV Tropes' own content and analysis. If this is done, the correct citation is tvtropes.org, as I said above.
  • 3 Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:03PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 5th Apr, 2018 03:13:18 PM
    In the trivia section of the article on Tim Buckley (the late singer), he gets outright called a Jerkass. He's dead, so he's not going to read it, but I still feel like it's too personally insulting for this site. I feel like I should cut it, but I thought I'd ask you first. Reply

      Yeah, gut that.

      I deleted it. Breaks the rules against troping real life people's real lives, plus Jerkass isn't a Trivia trope. Talk about Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking.

      I see someone beat me to it. Thanks, you're a real help! Negativity on this site is my pet peeve, so I'm really glad.
  • 15 Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:06AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 21st Mar, 2018 06:08:45 PM
    ryanisbetter repeatedly insists on listing Lorde as an example of Two-Hit Wonder, ignoring the fact that Madrugada officially ruled against this. Reply

      Have they been Edit Warring over this?

      Looking at the history page, yes, there has been a back-and-forth with that example, with ryanisbetter adding it at least twice.

      A bit too slow moving for a suspension, especially since a) Madrugada was not making a mod order there and b) there is a difference between "too early to list" and "don't list this ever".

      Would it still fall under edit warring, though?

      Bumping because he’s deleting a bunch of other examples without seeking consensus.

      Looking at her discography all eight of her singles and both her albums have sold way to well to call her a either a One-Hit OR Two-Hit Wonder

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorde_discography

      Three of her singles have also made the top 25 on the US charts with a forth breaking the top 40. Impressive when she's only had eight singles so far.


      Has anyone tried to discuss with him? I agree, looking at that Wikipedia page, that there's no way Lorde qualifies. But these things are supposed to be settled through discussion.

      If he's been ignoring attempts at discussion, then that's one thing, but if all sides have been ignoring the possibility of discussion, then that's probably the first thing that should be addressed.

      (I'm not going to get involved because I'm an old fogey who knows almost nothing about contemporary pop.)

      Neither do I.

      I'm mainly a country fan when comes to pop/radio music but that Wikipedia page tells be right off the bat she's done way to good be written off as either trope.

      Maybe someone should PM them here.

      I’ve tried discussing it with him via edit reasons (saying essentially what Shoboni said), but it was fruitless. I doubt a PM would work much better with him.

      Edit reasons are a poor place to have a conversation; not everyone checks them. Ryan needs a PM.

      I suspended them and removed their last few edits.

      Bumping because his recent post on the Two-Hit Wonder discussion page accused me of wanting to remove the example because I dont want it listed when everyone whos commented on this issue agrees it should be removed. Less seriously, he replied to a four-year-old discussion on the same page, but I dont know if thats as serious as necroing a thread.

      They seem to be getting rude in the Discussion as well. I think

      I rest my case. You are grasping for straws just because you don't want Lorde to be on here.

      violates the "Don't be a dick" rule.

      So he's still insistent. Time for another chat.
  • 3 Mar 16th, 2018 at 8:08AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 16th Mar, 2018 12:16:31 PM
    Um okay, so a while ago somebody made a page on me: TurretBot

    Which is fine, keep the page, I don't care. I don't want to disrespect The Fic May Be Yours, But The Trope Page Is Ours, I only did one edit to correct a few factual errors, that's it, and I don't plan to edit the page for any more than that... But I want the namespace changed. The page is currently under "Music", and it should be under "Creators".

    "TurretBot" is NOT a work. That's just my username. And, I do things other than music (the page conveniently leaves out my non-music stuff, but I can post links if you want proof). For all that, I believe the page should really be moved to "Creators"...

    So can someone please move the page to TurretBot for me? Since the page is about me, I feel like moving it myself would be crossing the line, I don't want to get in trouble or anything. Ok that's all. Thanks in advance... Reply

      You can go ahead and migrate it yourself. Just copypasta the source to the correct namespace and cutlist the old one with the reason "Creator, not a work, migrated."

      Are your released works primarily musical?

      I mean, Michael Jackson's done a lot of non-musical things, but our page is Music.Michael Jackson. But if you're primarily, say, a Web Video creator or the page equally covers various mediums, that would be different.

      Yeah, the rules are slightly different for music stuff, for various historical reasons, some of which make good sense, and some of which may seem a bit dubious. But we're not going to change this at this late date. So if you're primarily known as a musician, you go under Music/, even if you occasionally do other things.

      Bruce Willis goes under Creator/, even though he's played in a band, because he's primarily known as an actor, but Ice-T still goes under Music/, even though he's done a fair amount of acting.
  • 2 Mar 15th, 2018 at 2:02AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 16th Mar, 2018 03:05:48 AM
    I'd like to learn more about how to write pages for TV Tropes. I'd like to write/add to pages in music categories mostly. Reply
  • 2 Mar 1st, 2018 at 6:06PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2018 08:36:34 PM
    I noticed that there are some pages for Sesame Street soundtrack albums such as Sesame Street Sing Along, Sesame Street Born To Add', and Sesame Street Platinum All Time Favorites''. Since the show has numerous soundtrack albums, I wanted to create a music subpage for the show, but I found out that it was deleted. Can I recreate it? Reply

      I'd think so.

      Music/ is a top-level medium namespace for classifying works. Is it a valid subpage namespace for works? The only places I see it used as a subpage are for tropes with hard-split example pages.

      With albums and video games in addition to the series, it sounds to me like what Sesame Street really needs is not a Music page, but a Franchise page.
  • 1 Jan 22nd, 2018 at 10:10PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Jan, 2018 03:36:00 PM
    Sorry, but I worked for ages on the Characters for Disturbed. Whether it's allowed to trope real people, I'd still like a means to access the information stored there to integrate into the main article. One section of the page dealt with the band's mascot, who is certainly a character and not a real person. Reply

      If the page has been cut, the information is gone from the site.

      You may or may not be able to get something through the Wayback Machine. It depends.
  • 5 Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 29th Nov, 2017 03:16:57 PM

    Is tbe last line in this example correct? It popped out at me and thought of making it more neutral but I don't know it's accurate or not.

    From We're Still Relevant, Dammit!:

    • The show is not at all immune to falling victim to this trope unintentionally, as many 2000s episodes feature topics that have long since faded to obscurity. For example, one late 2000s episode was about the Jonas Brothers purity ring controversy. Most people nowadays don't remember who the Jonas Brothers even are.

    Have they fallen into obscurity or not? I don't consider them too, but then again I was in their target audience age group so my vision may be clouded. They were really big for several years, at least in America. Reply

      Speaking anecdotally, I doubt anyone I know would be able to name any of the Jonas Brothers, but I do think most of them would be vaguely aware that they were a boy band.

      So broadly speaking I can see where the example is coming from, but it's a bit exaggerated.

      Well, I do recall them from these way-too-heavy-on-romance-and-way-too-thin-on-other-aspects-of-adolescence teen shows. So. But I only recall one or two names.

      I've heard of them. Vaguely. (Shrug)

      That said, it's a massive shoehorn.

      It doesn't matter that they're irrelevant now, what matters is them trying to stay relevant during the show's run. Basically it's shoehorning (the already overly-broad, in my opinion) Unintentional Period Piece into a more negative item.

      I'd honestly say delete that whole example. Nowadays you don't see them trying to advertise their previous work, which would be correct usage. No, Kevin has disappeared from the limelight, Nick is on Broadway, and Joe is in DNCE
  • 1 Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 24th Nov, 2017 07:36:51 PM
    Music sections and music themed pages are full of Zero-Context Examples. That's probably because it can be difficult and redundant to explain a song. I am pretty shre there's a thread to fix this, but how exactly do you expand upon music examples? Does posting lyrics still count under zero-context? Reply

      Quoting (or paraphrasing) is pretty much required for dialogue-type tropes, but quoting isn't sufficient context for every trope.
  • 1 Nov 16th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 16th Nov, 2017 03:44:25 PM
    Hey guys. I recently started a page of Xzibit. Any of you's wanna help out?

    Reply

      I realize there isn't much on that page right now, but it seems to be better fitting to put the page in Creator.Xzibit. Or Creator.Alvin Joiner. (Editing to include a courtesy link to the page in question: Music.Xzibit)

      Apparently there is a clean-up effort to make Music/ pages less about the musicians and more about their works...?

      As an aside, you can use Trope Launch Pad for works pages.
  • 4 Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 15th Nov, 2017 05:31:18 AM
    I'm just wondering. Why was that particular thread locked? There wasn't anything that seem like complaining to me. Reply

      This thread could derail into Complaining, Editing judgement violations, trolling and Flame War. Please, no 'bad, worse or negative opinions' on the Music forums, please.

      Links are generally appreciated. The thread is here and the last comment in that thread is from Fighteer. While it seems to be just a complaint thread, what's weird is that it lasted so long...? My guess (and since I am not a mod that's all I can really do, i.e., guess) is that it devolved into being complain-y and someone hollered the mods about it.

      The thread was started in 2011, which means it was probably started back when regulations weren't quite as strict. But yeah, that's a complaint thread; anything that asks what you think the worst <insert anything here> is an invitation to complain.

      We want topics about specific creators and works in the Media forums, not broad, unfocused topics or topics that are basically "list your X", like a forum game. Things like that can go in Yack Fest if you really want. A few old, popular topics are permitted, but that's it.
  • 7 Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 3rd Nov, 2017 06:31:45 AM
    So the vast majority of sheets on CharacterSheets.Music aren't troping characters in works, but rather the musicians' personal lives. Given Creator Page Guidelines, would it be kosher for me to cutlist the ones that are troping the musicians (discounting kayfabe or pages like David Bowie that have actual fictional characters)?

    Normally I'd just go ahead and do it, but since this is a larger undertaking I figured I'd ask here first. Reply

      If it's troping real life people, I would agree to cutting those character pages.

      Yeah, the J Pop and K Pop pages are the worst of it.

      Nuke-a-luke. From orbit. It's the only way to raise your hand if you're Sure.

      Alright. Took the first step and removed the offending examples from the index. For posterity's sake I saved them on the discussion page.

      I'm gradually going to get around to cutlisting them, but since there's so many, anyone who feels like it can go to said discussion page and help out by adding some of those to the cutlist.

      EDIT: Actually, before I start sending them to the cutlist, would anyone like to check my work and make sure none of the pages I've put on the "kill" list are actually acceptable?

      So, I've begun cutlisting some of them.

      That said, the problem is much deeper as there's still a ton of troping people on the Music/ pages and most of the moment pages are real-life as well. Is there a "troping real life cleanup" topic?

      I think so. Otherwise it's worth making one.

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15097129170A61537800&page=1#1

      Made a dedicated thread for the cleanup of the music pages. The J-Pop and K-Pop pages are... really bad in this regard.

      Finished up adding all the bad character sheets to the cutlist.
  • 1 Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 31st Oct, 2017 06:00:08 AM
    Okay, there's a children's songwriter called Judy Pancoast. I enjoy (most of) her songs, and I know enough tropes they contain to make a works page. Only trouble is, I created the pages for Songdrops (which I'm a fan of), and Koit (which I hate the lyrics and illustrations but like the background music and felt it needed a page), but anyway, my opinion is irrelevant, the point is: both of those music pages had names for the collective amount of songs. Judy Pancoast's songs don't have a collective name. I could make a Creator page and just write her name, but I'm not sure it's right making a trope page for a real person. Reply

      You can create the article Music.Judy Pancoast. The Music namespace is specifically intended for this sort of situation when you want to trope a musical artist's works but there isn't an appropriate collective title for them.
  • 28 Jun 15th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 24th Sep, 2017 02:02:40 AM
    In addition to issues with indentation and (to a lesser degree) grammar, JohnHowarth has made bizarre edits (such as asking why Kidz Bop doesn't cover songs about drugs on a Headscratchers page) that may or may not be vandalism/trolling. I've sent him a message regarding his indentation, but I'm mentioning it here in case we need to take action. Reply

      Kidz Bop? I feel like I'm in a Jacksfilms parody. Someone actually takes that seriously enough to write diatribes about it?

      If it exist, someone is probably on TV Tropes complaining about it.

      It's like Rule 34, but for the site instead of porn.

      As an aside, I don't really see why we have a need for a WMG page for Kidz Bop; it's literally just people guessing what's going to be on the next CD.

      Isn't that misuse of something even as flexible as WMG?

      Bumping because he's now answering his own Headscratchers queries.

      Calling him in.

      He's back.

      Settles that nicely as a vandal. Bounced both and reverted the most recent edit.

      Is this him?

      Yep. Bounced again.

      ^^^^^^ Sorry to derail the conversation but serious question: Is posting an answer along with your own Headscratcher really considered vandalism? I've done that sometimes too, with the best of intentions, and never knew this is against the rules.

      There's no rule against replying to one's own headscratchers posts, but it is weird.

      He could have had a polite discussion in the EBS thread -his POV, the mods saying how we do things here, etc. It would've been cool.

      Ban evading rather puts the kibosh on that option.

      Back again. Can't even make a halfway new name. :P

      Can they be google bounced? Or are is that not an option this time?

      He might be even more persistent than Nate.

      @LB7979: It's not just that he answered his own Headscratchers. He also posted inane, self-explanatory Headscratchers (such as "why doesn't Kidz Bop sing songs about drugs?").

      Bounced...again...

      ^^Ssshhh! He Who Must Not Be Named has an almost psychic resonance for when he's mentioned here!

      (/kidding... kind of)

      Anyway, the nameless one has a record of years, so I hope this guy tires quickly.

      He's still here

      Bounced, reverted. We're working on a preventative measure.

      Honestly it seems like cutting or locking the page would be simplest if the vandalism is that obsessively focused...

      Has our vandal/troll focused solely on that page? Because it would be a shame to have to lock a page because of one asshole.

      @jameygamer: he's edited two subpages of the same work.

      Possibly back? New account and all. Might be a coincidence, though.

      Wow, that dude refuses to stop doesn't he?

      No IP match, and geolocation points to two areas too far to be one person. Best to keep an eye out. Are their edits similar to John Howarth's in any way?

      I was weary right away, due to the constant ban-evading. But nothing similar. Anyway, his entries are completely full of mediocre grammar(no capitalization), outright answering his own queries over and over again. It's really strange. We can see it near the end of the page which looks strange as is. It seems he has no idea how to format at all nor possibly care. Maybe just needs a quick tap on how to properly add. Also, are you supposed to Joss and Confirm your own entries? I doubt that's kosher.

      Also, he was known for constantly answering his own stuff, so that might be it. Also, considering the time taken to get a new account, the idea he moved isn't too farfetched. I do concur it's a bit hard to tell, though. I'll keep watching. Repeated edits are the usual style of evaders.

      Yet another new account there. Notably, the headscratchers one is clearly adding and editing to his previous entries under the earlier username. Not entirely sure if the same person, but could we check if they're the same user as Furtive Pack?

      Looks like a different ISP and much better grammar than Furtive Pack. Didn't check for a behavioural similarity to other sockpuppeteers.
  • 3 Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 18th Aug, 2017 08:21:57 PM
    I fixed up this page that was created from for years ago, and it seems to be Not Thriving and missing some things, like how it is used in settings, and stuff. I merely fixed the namespaces, italicized, and categorized the examples. I have some things to do, so I'm just gotta leave the rest of the cleanup to you guys.

    EDIT: Also, I think the proper name of it is Romeo And Juliet Overture, since the overture is often played in love scenes. Reply

      Bump.

      What are you asking for? We have a YKTTW Crash Rescue topic specifically to handle such pages.

      For the record, the piece's full and proper name is "Romeo and Juliet Fantasy-Overture", although the Wikipedia article does call it simply "Romeo and Juliet". It's a stand-alone concert piece, as opposed to coming from any sort of stage work.
  • 1 Aug 15th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 16th Aug, 2017 09:30:52 AM
    Does the music video's list of Tropes in Film.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 look long enough to merit a page in the Notable Music Videos index? Reply

      Since the list has a double-digit number of tropes, and looks longer than the one on this page, I decided to go ahead and start the new page.
  • 2 Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 10th Aug, 2017 06:17:53 AM
    I'm not even looking for these and this is the third one I've noticed. There's Franchise, Elvis Presley, and Music, Elvis Presley. Reply

      Franchises are for works in multiple media. If we have just music for Elvis, then the franchise page can go. Be sure to move whatever relevant info that is currently not on the music page first.

      Okey doke, I'll port everything over to the Music page and then put the Franchise page on the cut list.
  • 1 Aug 4th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 5th Aug, 2017 03:43:41 AM
    On the main page for The Downward Spiral, some of the tropes refer to the Analysis page (e.g. the Stalker with a Crush and Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu? entries). However, that page says it's just an interpretation of the story, and as far as i'm aware of, Trent's never made any statement supporting it. Should those tropes be moved somewhere else, or removed entirely? Reply

      Fanon is not part of the work so it should not be troped on the main page.
  • 1 Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Music
    Lastest Reply: 5th Jul, 2017 06:55:15 AM
    On the music subpage of Dethroning Moment of suck, a troper by the name of rumpbump deleted entries without any explanation. Reply

      Please provide courtesy links when making reports like this.

      Edit: suspended and reverted, but the bit they removed on DethroningMoment.Game Theory Web Show really needs to be de-nattered.
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