• 1 Nov 16th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 16th Nov, 2017 03:44:25 PM
    Hey guys. I recently started a page of Xzibit. Any of you's wanna help out?


      I realize there isn't much on that page right now, but it seems to be better fitting to put the page in Creator.Xzibit. Or Creator.Alvin Joiner. (Editing to include a courtesy link to the page in question: Music.Xzibit)

      Apparently there is a clean-up effort to make Music/ pages less about the musicians and more about their works...?

      As an aside, you can use Trope Launch Pad for works pages.
  • 4 Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 15th Nov, 2017 05:31:18 AM
    I'm just wondering. Why was that particular thread locked? There wasn't anything that seem like complaining to me. Reply

      This thread could derail into Complaining, Editing judgement violations, trolling and Flame War. Please, no 'bad, worse or negative opinions' on the Music forums, please.

      Links are generally appreciated. The thread is here and the last comment in that thread is from Fighteer. While it seems to be just a complaint thread, what's weird is that it lasted so long...? My guess (and since I am not a mod that's all I can really do, i.e., guess) is that it devolved into being complain-y and someone hollered the mods about it.

      The thread was started in 2011, which means it was probably started back when regulations weren't quite as strict. But yeah, that's a complaint thread; anything that asks what you think the worst <insert anything here> is an invitation to complain.

      We want topics about specific creators and works in the Media forums, not broad, unfocused topics or topics that are basically "list your X", like a forum game. Things like that can go in Yack Fest if you really want. A few old, popular topics are permitted, but that's it.
  • 7 Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 3rd Nov, 2017 06:31:45 AM
    So the vast majority of sheets on CharacterSheets.Music aren't troping characters in works, but rather the musicians' personal lives. Given Creator Page Guidelines, would it be kosher for me to cutlist the ones that are troping the musicians (discounting kayfabe or pages like David Bowie that have actual fictional characters)?

    Normally I'd just go ahead and do it, but since this is a larger undertaking I figured I'd ask here first. Reply

      If it's troping real life people, I would agree to cutting those character pages.

      Yeah, the J Pop and K Pop pages are the worst of it.

      Nuke-a-luke. From orbit. It's the only way to raise your hand if you're Sure.

      Alright. Took the first step and removed the offending examples from the index. For posterity's sake I saved them on the discussion page.

      I'm gradually going to get around to cutlisting them, but since there's so many, anyone who feels like it can go to said discussion page and help out by adding some of those to the cutlist.

      EDIT: Actually, before I start sending them to the cutlist, would anyone like to check my work and make sure none of the pages I've put on the "kill" list are actually acceptable?

      So, I've begun cutlisting some of them.

      That said, the problem is much deeper as there's still a ton of troping people on the Music/ pages and most of the moment pages are real-life as well. Is there a "troping real life cleanup" topic?

      I think so. Otherwise it's worth making one.


      Made a dedicated thread for the cleanup of the music pages. The J-Pop and K-Pop pages are... really bad in this regard.

      Finished up adding all the bad character sheets to the cutlist.
  • 1 Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 31st Oct, 2017 06:00:08 AM
    Okay, there's a children's songwriter called Judy Pancoast. I enjoy (most of) her songs, and I know enough tropes they contain to make a works page. Only trouble is, I created the pages for Songdrops (which I'm a fan of), and Koit (which I hate the lyrics and illustrations but like the background music and felt it needed a page), but anyway, my opinion is irrelevant, the point is: both of those music pages had names for the collective amount of songs. Judy Pancoast's songs don't have a collective name. I could make a Creator page and just write her name, but I'm not sure it's right making a trope page for a real person. Reply

      You can create the article Music.Judy Pancoast. The Music namespace is specifically intended for this sort of situation when you want to trope a musical artist's works but there isn't an appropriate collective title for them.
  • 28 Jun 15th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Sep, 2017 02:02:40 AM
    In addition to issues with indentation and (to a lesser degree) grammar, JohnHowarth has made bizarre edits (such as asking why Kidz Bop doesn't cover songs about drugs on a Headscratchers page) that may or may not be vandalism/trolling. I've sent him a message regarding his indentation, but I'm mentioning it here in case we need to take action. Reply

      Kidz Bop? I feel like I'm in a Jacksfilms parody. Someone actually takes that seriously enough to write diatribes about it?

      If it exist, someone is probably on TV Tropes complaining about it.

      It's like Rule 34, but for the site instead of porn.

      As an aside, I don't really see why we have a need for a WMG page for Kidz Bop; it's literally just people guessing what's going to be on the next CD.

      Isn't that misuse of something even as flexible as WMG?

      Bumping because he's now answering his own Headscratchers queries.

      Calling him in.

      He's back.

      Settles that nicely as a vandal. Bounced both and reverted the most recent edit.

      Is this him?

      Yep. Bounced again.

      ^^^^^^ Sorry to derail the conversation but serious question: Is posting an answer along with your own Headscratcher really considered vandalism? I've done that sometimes too, with the best of intentions, and never knew this is against the rules.

      There's no rule against replying to one's own headscratchers posts, but it is weird.

      He could have had a polite discussion in the EBS thread -his POV, the mods saying how we do things here, etc. It would've been cool.

      Ban evading rather puts the kibosh on that option.

      Back again. Can't even make a halfway new name. :P

      Can they be google bounced? Or are is that not an option this time?

      He might be even more persistent than Nate.

      @LB7979: It's not just that he answered his own Headscratchers. He also posted inane, self-explanatory Headscratchers (such as "why doesn't Kidz Bop sing songs about drugs?").


      ^^Ssshhh! He Who Must Not Be Named has an almost psychic resonance for when he's mentioned here!

      (/kidding... kind of)

      Anyway, the nameless one has a record of years, so I hope this guy tires quickly.

      He's still here…

      Bounced, reverted. We're working on a preventative measure.

      Honestly it seems like cutting or locking the page would be simplest if the vandalism is that obsessively focused...

      Has our vandal/troll focused solely on that page? Because it would be a shame to have to lock a page because of one asshole.

      @jameygamer: he's edited two subpages of the same work.

      Possibly back? New account and all. Might be a coincidence, though.

      Wow, that dude refuses to stop doesn't he?

      No IP match, and geolocation points to two areas too far to be one person. Best to keep an eye out. Are their edits similar to John Howarth's in any way?

      I was weary right away, due to the constant ban-evading. But nothing similar. Anyway, his entries are completely full of mediocre grammar(no capitalization), outright answering his own queries over and over again. It's really strange. We can see it near the end of the page which looks strange as is. It seems he has no idea how to format at all nor possibly care. Maybe just needs a quick tap on how to properly add. Also, are you supposed to Joss and Confirm your own entries? I doubt that's kosher.

      Also, he was known for constantly answering his own stuff, so that might be it. Also, considering the time taken to get a new account, the idea he moved isn't too farfetched. I do concur it's a bit hard to tell, though. I'll keep watching. Repeated edits are the usual style of evaders.

      Yet another new account there. Notably, the headscratchers one is clearly adding and editing to his previous entries under the earlier username. Not entirely sure if the same person, but could we check if they're the same user as Furtive Pack?

      Looks like a different ISP and much better grammar than Furtive Pack. Didn't check for a behavioural similarity to other sockpuppeteers.
  • 3 Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Aug, 2017 08:21:57 PM
    I fixed up this page that was created from for years ago, and it seems to be Not Thriving and missing some things, like how it is used in settings, and stuff. I merely fixed the namespaces, italicized, and categorized the examples. I have some things to do, so I'm just gotta leave the rest of the cleanup to you guys.

    EDIT: Also, I think the proper name of it is Romeo And Juliet Overture, since the overture is often played in love scenes. Reply


      What are you asking for? We have a YKTTW Crash Rescue topic specifically to handle such pages.

      For the record, the piece's full and proper name is "Romeo and Juliet Fantasy-Overture", although the Wikipedia article does call it simply "Romeo and Juliet". It's a stand-alone concert piece, as opposed to coming from any sort of stage work.
  • 1 Aug 15th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 16th Aug, 2017 09:30:52 AM
    Does the music video's list of Tropes in Film.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 look long enough to merit a page in the Notable Music Videos index? Reply

      Since the list has a double-digit number of tropes, and looks longer than the one on this page, I decided to go ahead and start the new page.
  • 2 Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Aug, 2017 06:17:53 AM
    I'm not even looking for these and this is the third one I've noticed. There's Franchise, Elvis Presley, and Music, Elvis Presley. Reply

      Franchises are for works in multiple media. If we have just music for Elvis, then the franchise page can go. Be sure to move whatever relevant info that is currently not on the music page first.

      Okey doke, I'll port everything over to the Music page and then put the Franchise page on the cut list.
  • 1 Aug 4th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 5th Aug, 2017 03:43:41 AM
    On the main page for The Downward Spiral, some of the tropes refer to the Analysis page (e.g. the Stalker with a Crush and Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu? entries). However, that page says it's just an interpretation of the story, and as far as i'm aware of, Trent's never made any statement supporting it. Should those tropes be moved somewhere else, or removed entirely? Reply

      Fanon is not part of the work so it should not be troped on the main page.
  • 1 Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 5th Jul, 2017 06:55:15 AM
    On the music subpage of Dethroning Moment of suck, a troper by the name of rumpbump deleted entries without any explanation. Reply

      Please provide courtesy links when making reports like this.

      Edit: suspended and reverted, but the bit they removed on DethroningMoment.Game Theory Web Show really needs to be de-nattered.
  • 2 Jul 3rd, 2017 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 3rd Jul, 2017 08:33:54 AM
    Can someone tell me why the Hype Backlash in Music thread was locked? Apparently, it was locked because it was a complaint thread. It didn't seem like a complaint thread to me. Reply

      can you provide a link to the thread?

      Hype things tend to invite "it is not as good as hype has it" complaining.
  • 2 Jun 24th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Jun, 2017 07:34:01 PM
    On the Music/Clannad page, there are a bunch of links near the top of the page (such as Analysis, Fridge, Headscratchers, etc.) that don't pertain to the Irish band Clannad that the page is about, but to the Japanese visual novel Visual Novel/Clannad. Since these are unrelated topics, is there any way to get them sorted out from each other? Reply

      No; the issues that come up when there's subpages for different things that share a name have been around for years, and the wiki currently doesn't have the ability to fix it.

      The only way currently to fix it is to move one or both to alternate titles, such as sticking the author or year of publication on the end of the VN title.
  • 4 Jun 14th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 14th Jun, 2017 05:08:51 PM
    For the second time in just a few days, I've found two pages for the same person.

    There's a Franchise page, Bob Dylan. There's a Music page, Bob Dylan. How can a person be a "Franchise"? Reply

      A person cannot. I'd say cut the Franchise page.

      That said, there are YMMV pages for this Creator, so those need to go, too, since Creators cannot have YMMV pages and his aren't entirely about his works.

      Because "Franchise" is short for "Works relating to this Intellectual Property in multiple media by the same Creators, each with their own page". The Nerf Guy is otherwise correct; the multimedia franchise page is misuse.

      I've cut it.

      You can have YMMV items for a musician (or a creator) if it's about the body of their work, and not about them as a person.
  • 1 May 23rd, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd May, 2017 07:53:46 AM
    I am currently engaged in a debate with ryanisbetter about whether or not Lorde qualifies as a Two-Hit Wonder for "Royals" and "Team". I initially argued that she didn't fit because "Green Light" reached #19 on the Billboard Hot 100. He replied that because it only reached that position due to digital downloads and fell off the chart quickly afterward, it doesn't count as a true hit, meaning that she still fits the trope. I later said that even if one ignores "Green Light", "Tennis Court" is well-known enough to disqualify her. He stated that because it didn't reach a high position on the Hot 100, she should still be listed as a Two-Hit Wonder (ignoring the fact that my argument was about cultural awareness of the song rather than its chart position). I'd greatly appreciate someone else stepping in & settling this debate one way or the other. Reply

      Better question for the pinned thread in Trope Talk, I think.
  • 2 May 23rd, 2017 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd May, 2017 04:34:05 AM
    I accidentally indexed the bands listed on Metal as part of my Sandbox when I was using it to experiment with changing the layout of the page. Obviously, it doesn't look good seeing the bottom index saying "Ultimate Lazer" on all the metal bands. This was because I forgot to remove the "index" tag when copy-and-pasting. I just now noticed, and tried to remove it to no avail. I put it on the Cut List hoping that if the Sandbox is deleted then it will be removed, but I'm not sure. This was a complete mistake and I feel awful for it. Is there any way this can be fixed? Reply


      Thank you! I'll be more careful about it from now on.
  • 1 May 10th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th May, 2017 10:20:25 AM
    No, this is not for new threads, it's for existing threads that've been locked; especially for the image pickin' ones. Is it possible to unlock an image pickin' thread when making new suggestions or replacing another image, or start a new thread?

    I'm asking with the context about Miley Cyrus and her new look. Reply
  • 15 Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 29th Apr, 2017 12:36:44 PM
    Why is the YMMV page for Rihanna is blocked from being created? She's a creator and the YMMV is created to discuss her work? Reply

      YMMV - Rihanna is not blocked at all, and I can edit it...

      I can't create a page for Rihanna (it doesn't save when I hit the Save button) and it stated that the page was cut because "No YMMV for real people".

      The page seems cut and locked to me as well. Not sure why it was cut. Maybe the only tropes on the page were about the person herself.

      That's just weird. Can someone contact the Mod for this?

      You should probably bring it up [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=gsjp7dldjh2dwdelcha2hu17 here]].

      Edit: Not sure why the piped link markup isn't working.

      I clicked on L Bs link and then 'edit page', got the editing box. So, dunno what's glitching.

      The edit button on the top navigation bar shows the page as locked. The edit button below the title allows me to edit, but, according to OP, edits aren't saved.

      Never mind, Shatterstar is right actually, clicking the Save button doesn't work...

      Never heard of a "No YMMV for real people" rule; searching that phrase on this page only shows that Rihanna's and a few other real people's YMMV pages contain that phrase, but there's not an Administriva page about it.

      On the other hand, there are many real people who do have a YMMV page (e.g. Michael Jackson); if this is a rule, most Tropers probably aren't aware of it. Moderators, could you clear this up?

      That was cut years ago. Unlocked it.

      I'm sorry, what? YMMV for real people has always been forbidden. YMMV for creators is only allowed when there isn't already a place to list YMMV examples for their work. The reason we allow it for Music articles is that they are actually work articles, but the same rules apply: no troping the people.

      Uh... Shatterstar created it and added several items, including stuff about her personal life.

      I would edit them out but should we just burn the page to the ground again? I'm getting the impression it may be difficult to keep the personal stuff off.

      I've deleted the tropes about her relationships.

      Shatterstar, if you're still reading this thread, you need to spend some time in the Get Help With English Here thread in the Wiki Talk forum. The entries that were about her work rather than her personal life all had seriously poor grammar.

      ...Shatterstar put Fan-Preferred Couple back in. Pretty sure it's still verboten no matter how you rephrase it.

      Reverted. Using Fan-Preferred Couple for real-life people would indeed count as troping real people.
  • 2 Apr 27th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Apr, 2017 07:46:55 AM
    Is this song?


    Sampling this?


    If so, how is it sampling? Reply
  • 2 Apr 23rd, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Apr, 2017 08:00:11 AM
    On the Dead Artists Are Better page, it lists the following quote from McCartney: "Since his death he has become Martin Luther Lennon." But I can't find this quote mentioned anywhere on the internet except on this page & mirrors of it. Was it just made up? Reply

      It seems fine to remove stuff like that if there's no source available.

      Better give credit to William Shakespeare ;).
  • 1 Apr 12th, 2017 at 11:11PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Apr, 2017 06:20:39 AM
    I know Ho Yay is very subjective and YMMV, but I also know TV Tropes does not trope real people. The writer of the Ho Yay entry for Journey is basing it on Fan speculation about the private lives of two real people, not about anything inherent in any of Journey's music. The links listed are only a Tumblr discussion among fan, not any proof. I don't want to potentially get an edit war going, but would I be correct in nuking the Ho Yay entry in question?

    Edit: by the same token, the main page Journey entry for Bigger Is Better in Bed. The trope doesn't have any warning against Real Life examples (and I'm not intending bowdlerization, mind), but is this wiki really a place to comment on a real person's photographed crotch size?

    Edit 2: never mind about the Bigger Is Better in Bed — I noticed the trope is on the No Real Life Examples index. I'm nuking that entry, but waiting for a third-party judgement on the Ho Yay. Thanks!

    edit 3: Okay, just ignore this post. I double-checked the whole NRLEP index and found Ho Yay on that, as well. My fault, mea culpa. Nuking the Journey entry in question.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/Journey Reply

      You are absolutely correct to nuke the Ho Yay examples.
  • 2 Mar 21st, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Mar, 2017 03:13:38 PM
    I just chopped a citationless Unfortunate Implications wick from Led Zeppelin. The problem is that the example the wick was on also cites Mighty Whitey. Is this an appropriate trope to use in this context? Reply

      No, Mighty Whitey is not appropriate. The whole second-level bullet point is natter, and a justifying edit as well as confusing the issue. It sounds like it's saying that Zep's versions of (unmentioned songs) didn't move into the "covered is better known that the original" territory because critics didn't like Zep.

      Actually, the first-level bullet point is unnecessarily judgemental and dismissive, as well.

      I thought so too. I just wasn't sure about it. Thanks for the input. EDIT: it's gone. Taking a second look, that whole page has a natter/gush problem. I'm on mobile right now, so fixing it isn't a good idea (I tend not to do large-scale edits from my phone, like many other users; autocorrect can be a problem.)
  • 1 Mar 4th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Mar, 2017 12:44:40 AM
    The title song from Hair, the musical, was used in a shampoo commercial in Australia. I'm not sure of the decade but probably the late 60's or early 70's when the musical was playing. I can't for the life of me remember what shampoo brand it was - it was a popular one at the time. Thanks in anticipation :D Reply
  • 2 Mar 1st, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Mar, 2017 01:26:10 PM
    I was looking at Music.The Protomen Tropes and realized it fits a recap page pretty well, plus it isn't indexed anywhere. Permission to cut it and move it to Recap.The Protomen ? Reply

      Recap is a better page than The Protomen Tropes. I'll suggest that each album could probably get their own page.

      I'll put it on the recap page then ^^ Thanks!
  • 3 Feb 10th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2017 10:10:50 AM
    Is it okay now to expand his description page without putting in any further details? In my opinion, his description looks to short. And I don't even know if his topic is still banned on Twitter because, that was 7 years ago. Reply

      "Expand without putting in any further details"? Why would we want that?

      We aren't here to discuss controversies surrounding RL people. Take that to other sites.

      Point taken. Keep it as a stub I guess. Not sure about Twitter banning him though. It's been seven years, and people went to other trends like Trump's antics and #Not Today