• 1 Nov 9th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Nov, 2017 09:10:17 PM
    I've been creating work pages for a mangaka. She started out online but now some of her works are published volumes as well. I just wonder when should I use the Manga namespace/index and when should I use the Webcomic namespace/index? Reply

      In general, use whichever format came first, with the other as a redirect to it. So it sounds like they'd be in the Webcomic namespace with Manga/comicname as the redirect.
  • 6 Nov 3rd, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Nov, 2017 05:24:31 PM
    Apparently the entire page just up and disappeared, as can be seen here. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/GrowthSpurt I honestly don't know what " Pages In Accidentally Miscapitalised Namespaces First Half" is, but is there any way to bring it back? Reply

      EDIT: Derp. Okay figured it out.

      It's been moved to http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/PagesInAccidentallyMiscapitalisedNamespacesFirstHalf

      This is a temporary home for the cleanup project. You can probably add stuff to it on that page.

      What exactly is the "miscapitalised namespace" though? And how long would it take until it's its own page again?

      The namespace was capitalised as WebComic, but TV Tropes guidelines say that it must be capitalised as just Webcomic.

      So if I recreate it with that capitalization, it would be okay?

      Yeah, I think you can just go ahead and recreate it.

      It looks like the troper who cut the old miscapitalised version has finished the job and recreated it.
  • 1 Nov 1st, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Nov, 2017 04:54:54 PM
    I have a problem with FanWorks.Nuzlocke Comics. The page is used as a compilation of tropes for Fanfic or Fan Comics for Nuzlocke Comics.

    Normally, this namespace is used as an index for Fan Works present on the wiki. Each of these works should have their own page, either in Fanfic/ or Webcomic/, not gathered in one place. However, they lack enough description to make proper page right now. What should be done with this? Reply

      Maybe turn them into a proper sub index page, with red links to encourage creation of pages?
  • 4 Oct 27th, 2017 at 2:02AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Oct, 2017 09:15:12 AM
    As I was browsing on the comic "Blur the Lines'' some time, I noticed that the last comic posted was on Easter 2015. And now, as I checked the site, it says "Domain Name Expired".

    I could help, but 1) My load is full; and 2) I could mess the layout of the page. Reply

      Pretty sure that if the work doesn't exist anymore, the page(s) have to be cutlisted. Mods?

      The work still exists. You just have to know where to look.

      OK then. So the link just needs fixing then. Or have you already done that?

      I think you misunderstood. The work still exists; shutting down the server that had hosted the work doesn't remove the work from existence. It is incredibly hard to remove a work from existence, so work pages are rarely deleted just because the creator refuses to publish it any more.
  • 2 Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Oct, 2017 12:20:23 PM
    Is The Caretaker Of The Ruins an actual thing? There's no link to it on the trope page. Reply
  • 1 Oct 8th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Oct, 2017 02:33:45 PM
    How do I add a work that I can't find on the site at all? Reply
  • 1 Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 4th Oct, 2017 08:39:13 PM
    Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Victory Fire

    I recently had come across this comic on the internet, but since I'm a new reader, I have no idea if this webcomic has any history pre-2012 (like if it started as a Fan Fic and then became a webcomic). So my question is this: Is this article possibly in the wrong namespace? If it is, then this article belongs the Webcomics namespace. Also I'm a novice, so I'm not comfortable trying to move pages by myself currently. Reply

      Given that there's no proof it exists in any other medium, and all tropes are for the webcomic, I have moved it to Webcomic/.
  • 2 Sep 7th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 7th Sep, 2017 04:42:59 AM
    So I was wondering, Why does Chris-chan belong at the Permanent Red Link Club at TV Tropes? Reply

      Because every page on him and his work turned into pure bile. And creator pages have lower priority than works or tropes.

      Is a long story, but in short: he is Troll-bait, and Tv Tropes have more standards than E.Dramatica.
  • 1 Aug 25th, 2017 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 25th Aug, 2017 10:04:09 PM
    I made a page for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon comic, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Strong Hearts, and I put it in some index pages, but it's not showing up in the index bar at the bottom of the page. How do I fix that? Reply

      The Namespace on the index has to be the same as the work page in this case FanFic/
  • 1 Aug 14th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 14th Aug, 2017 03:45:55 PM
    Planet Zebeth

    I just wanted to relay some information in case if this page and/or any of its subpages get put on the cutlist that the comic's author had to suddenly disappear from the internet for awhile. She has started scrubbing everything off the internet and might attempt to put TV Tropes articles on Planet Zebeth onto the cutlist if she hasn't already did so.

    The only post I could find on why is she may be in personal danger (post was from Patreon). The articles may need some rewriting or moving to Darth Wiki though since the author took her comic down and there are no mirrors elsewhere at this time. Reply

      The Funny page was cut because it was blank, but I'm not sure when.
  • 3 May 2nd, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd May, 2017 11:35:35 AM
    On YMMV.Sparklecare, someone deleted the Tear Jerker entry I wrote, saying I was "objectifying the artist's trauma". For context, it was a meta example of a Tear Jerker, in that the artist revealed that they started writing the webcomic (which is about a demented hospital) to cope with a traumatic experience they had at a real hospital.

    I don't really understand how I was "objectifying" it. Are meta examples of Tear Jerker and similar YMMV tropes not allowed? Was the last sentence of the Tear Jerker entry a bit too much? Reply

      That sounds uncomfortably close to troping the artist instead of the work.

      Oh, now I see what you mean.

      What about the last part of the entry for Heartwarming Moments, which basically just describes the artist thanking readers for reading the comic?

      That bit just describes the author thanking the reader. It's not dealing with the author's life. The tearjerker is.
  • 1 Mar 15th, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 15th Mar, 2017 09:54:24 AM
    Who Is Blackcrusader? Reply
  • 2 Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Mar, 2017 09:19:12 PM
    I'm the creator of The Bird Feeder webcomic, and there used to be a page here for it, though it's since been removed (see http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/TheBirdFeeder ). I understand completely why that was, as it had several Zero Content Example and Weblinks Are Not Examples violations, and I've since moved to a new CMS and changed the structure of the links anyway, so most of the page would be pretty useless.

    I was wondering, though, if it would be seen as bad form if I recreated the page myself, using an archived version of it as a template, and added some better descriptions for the examples. The page wasn't originally made by me, and I'm prepared to receive any abuse given to me for even asking to do this, but it was just a thought I had. Reply

      As long as you include a non-stub description of the comic at the top of the page, at least three non-Zero Context Examples, and remember to index the page and crosswick the trope entries to the relevant trope pages, it should be fine. Just keep in mind that you're not allowed to add YMMV or other audience reaction examples (they're called audience reactions for a reason, after all; the audience sees them, not the author), and keep in mind The Fic May Be Yours, But The Trope Page Is Ours - you don't get final say on what goes on the page.

      No abuse, just a request to create the article correctly, in compliance with our standards. That one was particularly awful, as most examples just had links to the comic as their context, which is completely unacceptable.
  • 5 Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 14th Feb, 2017 10:44:21 AM
    Over at Planet Zebeth, the article has fallen out of date and is need of updating (including any sub-pages). However the catch is any updates to the article may brush up against the "No troping real people." rule. The author of the comic has put some elements of her life into the comic including announcing transitioning from male to female and updating her avatar character to being female from the start.

    If anyone can help with safely updating this article, it would be appreciated. Reply

      If she airs these things in the work itself, I'd guess it's okay under the umbrella of Real Life Writes the Plot to mention it.

      There is no catch. That has nothing to do with "no troping real people." That rule specifically applies to creator pages, useful notes, and fandoms/userbases. If all instances of someone basing something in their work off of something in their real life fell afoul of the rule, nearly all fiction ever would be affected. See Write Who You Know.

      As long as you're troping the work and not the creator, there's nothing to worry about.

      It's like troping a stage persona. Don't trope the RL person's heartbreaks, but you can trope the persona's lousy relationships. (For an example.) The latter are all part of the show, while the former is very personal.

      You can also say that even if a fictional character is based on a person in real life, the fictional character is still fictional and not a real person. It's OK to trope the character's action in the work, even if they're based on what the real person did in real life, because it's still a work of fiction.

      Well the comic's author updated the main article leaving only the YMMV page untouched (since it's not allowed for authors to work on YMMV pages about their works). I guess this matter is moot now?
  • 1 Jan 19th, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Jan, 2017 08:07:40 AM
    Since Series.Free Spirit and Webcomic.Free Spirit have different creators, but the same characters (the latter is an unofficial fan-produced comic of the former), does or doesn't it seem necessary to rename the latter and its subpages something like, "Free Spirit 2014" (though probably with a Wikiword hiding the year). Reply

      Yes, that's reasonable.
  • 3 Dec 19th, 2016 at 2:02AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Dec, 2016 05:03:21 AM
    Fairly often when I look in the web comic section of tropes I find something like "Alice shows how its done in Webcomic" with Webcomic being a dead link. Should I just cut those examples or redirect it to archive.org or what?

    Recent example found in Non-Verbal Miscommunication with Those Destined. A webcomic that has been down since 2008. Reply

      Dead links should be removed or replaced with working links, obviously.

      But if the example is just the link, we have another problem: Weblinks Are Not Examples. So if you can add context to explain what happens in the comic pointed to, do so. Otherwise the example has to go.

      Do we link to Archive.org? Its not really feasible to read a webcomic that way due to long loading times. It would also take considerable work to find the page in question if the link isnt accurate. As is the case with Those Destined.

      Nope. Don't link to archive.org, just remove the example if you can't elaborate on it.
  • 3 Nov 8th, 2016 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 8th Nov, 2016 11:32:01 AM
    I found a small webcomic that doesn't have a trope page. Is there a way to get some of the tropers to start one? Reply
  • 1 Oct 17th, 2016 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 17th Oct, 2016 06:12:21 PM
    http://parasitegalaxy.webcomic.ws/OurCharacterSoFar/%22 As I was reading Parasite Galaxy's character page I noticed the author seems to show support for communism as the protagonist is portrayed as having his sister in the Wapan Imperial Secret Police and I suspect that they don't think much of America because the name of the main villain(so far) is close to a meme-ish nickname of America. Would this be considered a broken Aesop? or Anvilicious? or is it a propaganda piece? To be fair I have only just started reading it and clicked on the character sheet where I read more about the characters and maybe I'm reading too much into the names but I thought I'd ask anyway to maybe gain insight Reply
  • 3 Oct 3rd, 2016 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 3rd Oct, 2016 09:52:11 PM
    Here's the sitch - I've got me this fantasy story. The main character is your typical determined hero who is optimistic, a bit on the uncouth side, and not necessarily the brightest academic wise (but very knowledgeable in the emotional departments). It takes place in a grand fantasy world and follows this character and her troupe of friends in a slice-of-life/comedy/adventure story thats main priorities are character and situation interactions. How will ——- and ——- deal with ——-? What does ——- really think of ——-? How will ——- react when they find out ——-'s secret? Things like that.

    While making this, I was inspired by comics like One Piece and Fairy Tail, two series that I enjoyed because of how much the characters and the world entertained me. The richness of the fictional worlds, the character's personalities and emotions, the relationships and their effects on others, and the problem-solving skills used when facing a formidable foe are all very interesting to me and things I really want to focus on. However, I've recently discovered that these comics, the ones that led me to identify all that I wanted in my own, are being criticized for lacking depth, being too generic, and overall just being bad. I'm not a critic myself, and I'm fairly new to storytelling. I just want to make a good, well-written story that lets people feel good while reading it, something fun for people to read. But if I were to adhere to a similar formula as these, if I were to take inspiration from these stories and make what I'd like...Would that be bad? Would nobody like it? Would it be shallow of me as a writer?

    What elements from stories like these would I want to avoid? What are these weak points I hear about? Should I even be looking at these for inspiration? I just want to make a story that entertains people, and I can't do that if it's filled to the brim with flaws and writing cliches. Nobody would like it, and I can't stand producing things of poor quality. It wouldn't be any fun to do. Reply

      Well, no matter what you write, there's always going to be someone out there that doesn't like it. That's just the way the world works. There is no such thing as a "universally liked story".

      And many of those "weak points" that people discuss are subjective. For example, someone may say "I don't like One Piece because the plot is too long and dragging its feet." Another person might say "But that's the exact reason I like it: it means there's more of the story for me to enjoy and I don't have to worry about it ending any time soon." Different people like different things, and what one person likes another person won't like.

      Now, personally, I'm not a fan of One Piece or Fairy Tale. They do some things I don't like stories doing. That doesn't, however, make them "bad" series. Both of them are selling extremely well and have loads of fans, so obviously they're doing something right.

      If you want to look to those series for inspiration, I say go for it (so long as you aren't just ripping them off, naturally). Try to keep perspective on criticism.

      If you try to please everyone you'll likely end up pleasing nobody. Just write stories that you think you'd want to read and the rest will happen organically.

      Also, if you just want general writing advice, the forums are the best place to ask.

      Hm. Alright! I didn't think about it like that. Thank you both! You've no idea how much you've helped me!
  • 6 Sep 28th, 2016 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Sep, 2016 07:15:44 AM

    I searched and didn't find an answer to this, though I'm sure it must be written somewhere because your how-to-pages are great. I was wondering how examples are ordered in a given trope and a given folder. And, as I couldn't find a logic in the ones I looked at, where do I put a new example? Do I put it before the existing ones, because it's new and people will notice it better? Or after the existing ones because that's how it's done? Or somewhere else because there's a kind of order I didn't understand?

    ... Well, it's fun to be here anyway, glad to have found this site. Reply

      The preferred order is to sort them alphabetically. If they aren't in alphabetical order, new examples should be added last in the list. I'm sure this is written down somewhere.

      See the fifth bullet point on How to Write an Example for more details.

      Thanks for your answers. I did read How to Write an Example before adding examples, but I found many tropes with no visible order in their Webcomics examples folder. Should I spend time (when I can) ordering those? Well, as this is a wiki, I suppose the answer is yes, anyway ;)

      I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) the policy is that if you want to alphabetize the entries in a folder, you can just go ahead and do it, because that's how things are supposed to be organized.

      If you think some other order would be better for some reason, you'd better take it up to discussion.

      Right, alphabetical, or oldest-to-newest if no one's come along to alphabetize them yet. If you want to put some effort into organizing, first, thank you kindly, and second, also take a look at How to Alphabetize Things.

      There is no requirement that work examples in trope articles be sorted in any particular order. We do welcome those who wish to put in the effort to do so, however.
  • 2 Aug 12th, 2016 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Aug, 2016 09:09:21 AM

    There is a problem on the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DragonBallMultiverse. A troper by the name of Kamina Squirtle added Jerk Sue. While I fully agree that the character in question is a Jerk Sue, any Sue entries are considered Flame Bait, so I erased it and put in the edit reason why. Kamina Squirtle added back the entry with no edit note.

    Since any further actions on my part is an edit war, I can only take it here. Reply
  • 5 Aug 2nd, 2016 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 2nd Aug, 2016 08:38:46 PM
    How does someone create new page? I keep getting "not authorised" no matter what I do.

    senji-comics webcomic "Left Below" http://www.senji-comics.com/cast-and-crew/left-below-cast Reply

      How to Create a Works Page

      Are you trying to create the page in the Main/ namespace just create the page at Left Below

      If your account is new, there's a brief waiting period before you can make new pages (something like a day).

      He made edits on the 29th and 30th of June, so that can't be it.

      Edit: But man, you really need to work on your spelling and grammar, and learn how to link to stuff here before you take on an entire page.

      The user has been suspended for their execrable grammar, so this topic is moot.