Trope Pantheons Discussion

@ lawliet: Richard Castle does not seem to be ascended at the moment. I would love to add a picture from Umineko, but he's only had one visual image associated with him, and it's in the manga. Otherwise, he's an offscreen character.

@ Forgo: Perhaps, but I would be a bit more optimistic about it. Additionally, Knox may have had a Pseudo-Romantic Friendship with a student at Oxford(Hilliard, UnEnglish and Unmanly: Anglo-Catholicism and Homosexuality, pg. 13). I will change to team-clenched teamwork though.

Crap, I bottom posted…

• Yeah my bad, I linked to the wrong house. He's actually right here. Also, I forgot to mention Stephen King too. While mainly a horror writer, he has babbled in writing mystery and thriller novels too.
• That's a shame, but I can understand not including him.

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Mar 26th 2024 at 7:01:05 PM

Richard Castle is in Detectives.

EDIT: 'd!

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Mar 26th 2024 at 4:00:36 AM

Here's the updated Metal bros again:

Tomoo and Yatsu, Unholy duo of Mechanical Transformations(Tomoo: The Salaryman, Yatsu: The Metal Fetishist)

• Potential House(s): Cybernetics and Enhancements, Transformations
• Intermediate Gods(can evolve into Greater Gods through assimilation)
• Symbol: Their combined form, a massive, Phallic metal...thing
• Alignment: Tomoo: True Neutral(eventually Chaotic Good) Yatsu: Chaotic Evil
• Portfolio: Both: Moody gray shading, Bizarre Imagery and Narrative, Nightmarish Mutations into Machinery, Bizarre Superpowers over Metal,Cybernetics Eat Your Soul, Can be interpreted as a ''really'' weird love story, Phallic Symbolism, Alternate Continuity
  • Tomoo: An Average Japanese office worker until his transformation, which was Punishment for leaving Yatsu for dead, a Gradual and agonizing one, Developed a huge power drill from his you-know-what, Actually Yatsu's brother in a sequel timeline, Gains a Superpowered Evil Side.
  • Yatsu: A mentally unstable vagrant who became a world ending abomination, Lightning Bruiser, Misanthrope Supreme, Laughing Mad, Has Pitiful Origins, Seeks to destroy and remold everything while stalking and torturing Tomoo out of ''Love'', Utterly Insane, Utterly Depraved and Utterly Bombastic
• Allies:
  • Tomoo: Bruce Banner, Cameron Vale, Gregor Samsa, Larry Talbot, Hank Pym, Astro Boy,Alex Murphy/Robocop
  • Yatsu: Tetsuo Shima, Cell, Hank Henshaw, Gigan, AM,Ultron,The Qu, T-1000, SKYNET
• Enemies: Both: The Child Abuse Supporters, Darryl Revok
  • Tomoo: Freddy Krueger, Diavolo, Shou Tucker, Gendo Ikari, Dr. Gero
  • Yatsu: All life Organic or otherwise who oppose him, but more specifically:All Cybertronians, Metallo, Cyborg, Tim Barnett, Kevin Levin,Poison Ivy, Magneto, Gorilla Grodd, Toph Bei Fong
• Special Relationship: Each other(brothers in one timeline)
• Intrigued by:(Yatsu) The Thing, Sadako Yamamura,Tomie Kawakami
• Pitied by: Meilin Lee(mostly Tomoo)
• The story of the "Iron Men" begins with an average Japanese Salaryman and his girlfriend. One day, the unassuming businessman was driving home with his girlfriend until they accidentally ran over a pedestrian. This pedestrian, however, was the man known as "the Metal Fetishist" so called for his unusual fixation on metal applied to his body. The couple, unaware of this, believed the man dead, hid his body, and tried to move past their dark deed. But the Salaryman had received a curse or perhaps gift from the Fetishist. The man's body slowly began taking on the properties of metal, his mind plagued with horrific visions of a cybernetic nightmare. Eventually the Salaryman's transformation led to his girlfriend's death, and the Metal madman himself arrived to complete the transformation as part of his mad desire to share his agony with his victim. The two engaged in a brutal battle of metal and flesh, eventually combining into a monstrosity that sought to rust away the world with their newfound "love".
• At least that's how one version of the story goes. Another account tells of a salaryman named Tomoo, who led an ordinary life with a loving wife and child, but had no memory of his past. That life was shattered when Yatsu, AKA the Metal Fetishist, targeted him for his depraved plans. Tomoo's young son was murdered, and he plunged into despair, awakening the metal-morphing powers he shared with Yatsu-actually his brother. Tomoo went on a brutal rampage against Yatsu's cult to save his wife, and soon discovered the truth of his past. The boys' father was a metal molding maniac as well, experimenting on his children to create human weapons. With this awful revelation, Tomoo succumbed to his brother's urging and evolved into a massive, tank like juggernaut. Amid the destruction however, it seems Tomoo found peace, as he apparently shifted back to human form with his wife and revived son.
  • Some time later Yatsu resurfaced, this time targeting another Cyborg named Anthony. Yatsu threatened Anthony's son to control him as a new weapon. But the super Cyborg fought the Metal Fetishist and ultimately averted suffering Tomoo's fate, and Yatsu was absorbed by Anthony's own power, gone for good...at least for now.
• Eventually the Salaryman(Tomoo) was welcomed into the Pantheon gates. He hoped to find a nice place to settle down and put his metal nightmare behind him. Unfortunately there was a reason he was there, and the other inductee surfaced shortly after. Initially disoriented, the Metal Fetishist soon set to work seeking new metal to absorb and fuse with for power and pleasure. Tomoo was filled with terror as he realized his brother was coming for him. Yatsu seeks to expand his love of chaos and transform the Pantheon into his twisted view of beauty, and he wants to be one with Tomoo to do it.
• Applies to Both:
  • Although they outwardly appear to human, both Yatsu and Tomoo will morph into horrifying machine monsters under stress, leaving unpredictable devastation where they go. Tomoo has tried to seek help for this, leading to him joining a "support group" of sorts with similar individuals like Dr. Bruce Banner and the Lycanthrope Larry Talbot. Banner knows well the trauma of being a walking weapon, and he's shared Tomoo some techniques to tame his anger. Yatsu, meanwhile, seeks to unleash the full extent of his power and enjoys the company of like-minded monsters, especially of the mechanical variety. One such is the Android psychopath Ultron, whose desire to replace humanity with cybernetic extensions of himself earned him the Metal Fetishist's respect. By chance, one of Tomoo's circle is Dr. Hank Pym, Ultron's creator. Pym is as ashamed of his monstrous son as Tomoo is his brother. Both agree their counterparts represent the worst impulses of themselves, and that it's their responsibility to destroy them.
  • A similar duo is the psychic "Scanner" terrorist Darryl Revok and his brother Cameron Vale. Despite his lack of social skills, Vale was interested in Tomoo's condition and believes he's found another ally. Revok, on the other hand, has decided that both Metal men are too dangerous and psychotic to be controlled. He's able to effectively strike Yatsu mentally, but the maniac's biomechanical nature allows him to bounce back quickly. Revok is still planning to destroy the metal monster, and Yatsu sneers at his arrogance.
  • If there's one ideal they share, it's that they both loathe abusive parents, especially since in one timeline their father was a selfish monster who turned them into what they are. While Yatsu isn't much better than his dad, he still sees his father in people like Ozai and seeks to destroy everything he built. Tomoo especially has it in for men like Gendo Ikari and Shou Tucker, who used their own children for their own selfish experiments, which in the case of Ikari had truly apocalyptic results. Dr. Gero stands out as the most similar, as while he did care for his son, he still created killing machines both organic and mechanical. Further unnerving Tomoo is that Gero has expressed interest in the two, believing he may have a better chance of studying and harnessing their powers.

• Applies to Yatsu:
  • He's considered an insane abomination even among other world conquerors, if only that his insanity and dangerous powers make him too unpredictable. Besides Ultron, however, a few admire his monstrous ambition. Cell, the aformentioned Dr. Gero's deadliest creation, is on a journey to perfect himself and sees Yatsu's mission of spreading "the beauty of destruction" as similar. The cyborg Kaiju Gigan is generally a weapon for whoever points him somewhere, but Yatsu's technopathy lets him to communicate with the beast on more even footing, promising him new upgrades and places to destroy. Hank Henshaw, the hopelessly misanthropic Cyborg Superman, joins with Yatsu in the belief a fellow cybernetic entity can help bring an end to his tortured existence and destroy the world that spawned them. He's also caught the attention of SKYNET, who's thrilled at the prospect of creating man-machine hybrid Terminators with the Fetishist's unique powers. The evil AI assigned the shape-shifting T-1000 as a diplomat. A similarly sociopathic machine called AM(Allied Mastercomputer) has admitted it's impressed that a young human could transcend into a being that rivals itself in power and malice. Yatsu has experience as a cult leader, and preaches a new world of machines where organics are slaves and fuel, every evil automaton's dream.
  • Because of his metal-manipulating abilities, any descent person with this power deems him a disgusting monstrosity. Even mutant revolutionary Magneto, who generally dislikes humanity, believes Yatsu is a rabid dog who needs to be put down, much to the latter's disappointment, as he thinks Magneto could've been a great partner. Toph Bei Fong, hailing from a world where people can manipulate elements, has stated he's an insult to Benders everywhere. None of this really bothers the Metal Fetishist, as he thinks sooner or later, they'll all be absorbed into his glorious metal and succumb to his twisted vision.

Reposting the previous suggestion.

Check your messages, sent you a better photo of Yatsu.

@ Mister Sinister: You should probably factor in not all the Sinisters would share the same allies/enemies, alignment and characteristics in the portfolio. Maybe even add the original Essex

The ascended members of the Galactic Republic and the Jedi would be very familiar with cloning, though it's rare that a clone in the Star Wars setting carried on their progenitors memories (Palpatine doesn't count since it's literally the same guy in a new body)

Any AT4W lore of this ship I've been missing?

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Comicron-1 (formerly Lord Vyce's ship)

• Hall: Vehicles Depot (The Great Treasury)
• Appearance: A V-styled spaceship
• Class Level: 3 (2 under Vyce's control)
• Museum Check: Granted (requires the current owner's permission, though)
• Alignment: Lawful Good with its current A.I, Lawful Evil when under Vyce's command. True Neutral without its current A.I
• Portfolio: Cool Starship, Space Fighter, A Unique Design Near-Impossible To Repair Without Use Of The Forge, Wave-Motion Gun, Hard Light, Best Assets Blocked Off Without Vyce But Still Formidable, Constructed From Multiple Universes' Materials, having a Benevolent A.I.
• Domains: Interdimensionality, Conquest (Formerly), Review Videos (Currently), Spaceships, Teleporters, Strange Happenings (in general)
• Owner: Linkara (current owner), Lord Vyce (creator and original owner)
• A.I: NIMUE (non-ascended)
• Ship mechanic: 90s Dude
• Lord Vyce has had many allies in his pursuit of the Entity, but all of them came and gone. The only thing left was his powerful spaceship, a complicated vehicle with material from multiple universes. It utilizes something known as the Forge, which can convert any material nearby to repair the ship. For times unknown it was under his possession, until he was defeated by Linkara and his allies. Many of the ship's abilities were locked without Vyce but it still a formidable ship, and one of Linkara's best assets against the often bizarre enemies he deals with. He's dubbed the ship Comicron-1, and has occasionally made comic book reviews on the ship.
• Currently located in Earth orbit, making up Linkara's "Arsenal of Freedom", and being observed by the US government as a matter of security. Much to the original owner's protest, Linkara has allowed Comicron-1 to show up in the Vehicles Depot. However you need his formal permission before using the ship. As an unabashed nerd he was pretty excited to see it in the same location as the Batmobile and the DeLorean Time Machine. Unfortunately for him this also meant it was in the same Hall of the USG Ishimura. The fear of Necromorphs getting onto the Comicron-1 has him tempted to let Lord Vyce open up some protective functions, but he doesn't think it's worth the risk after Vyce broke their Enemy Mine as he refused to accept the Entity was dead and still argues he's needed to "protect" the multiverse.
• As it is, Comicron-1 isn't able to travel to other universes like it was under Lord Vyce. It can go as far enough as Jupiter's orbit, though presumably it can't got FTL. Linkara hasn't tried to at least. Given the cosmic threats he once merely reviewed are in the Trope Pantheon like him, such as Planet Remina, he wishes its full capabilities aren't locked. Petitions for helping the ship reach its full capabilities have been sent to Team Lightyear and the Green Lantern Corps. No-one who knows how to improve it has managed to make a permanent upgrade. Currently he'll mulling over whether it'd be easier to just find one of Nebby's species and use them for multiversal travel.
  Linkara: "Damnit, why do I have to deal with this comic book trope!"
• Almost certainly has an FTL drive, though Linkara has never demonstrated it in part because he's never had to go that far into space, the furthest he's gone being Jupiter's orbit which doesn't require him to exceed c to reach at the time he went there. Vyce has stated that yes it does, that should be obvious, but hasn't gone into more detail and alludes to it being one of the higher functions he refuses to unlock until he gets control of the ship again. Professor Farnsworth muses that as it is it's no good if he wants to use it to make interstellar deliveries, but Linkara doesn't care about that since among other reasons he's financially stable. Rick Sanchez regularly roasts Comicron-1 as looking like a nerd's wet dream or something. His ship is a simple UFO but it can travel interstellar and interdimensional distances with ease and comes equipped with a variety of weapons. While Rick has a point, Linkara refuses to rise to the bait.
• In a way, Comicron-1 could count as a deity and a treasure, as it is piloted by an A.I called NIMUE. She does double duty performing security, and looks kind of like HAL 9000. However unlike him, she performs as intended and rolls her avatar's eyes at her physical design being similar to it. However like everyone else if she wants to be a deity she has to apply and she can exist independently of Comicron-1 if need be. Since the ship itself is part of the Trope Pantheon she is able to communicate to other Spaceship Girl AIs, such as EDI and Cortana. She doesn't feel the need to make a humanoid avatar, at least right now, but she does have a perceived feminine avatar in digital space. Don't try to override her, especially with your own consciousness; Vyce barely survived her retaliation. Unfortunately beings like SKYNET and Sigma think they have a good shot at succeeding where she failed, and they might be right to think so.
  • Since Linkara's favorite film is Camelot, some think that's where he got the name for the AI. Merlin has been pondering visiting Comicron-1 with that in knowledge.
• Has a scout ship called the Vigilant which can be modified into a Space Fighter, and an intended second model called Comicron-2 after Comicron-1 ended up out of commission on the moon. Well, had, Vyce ended up taking Comicron-2 to kill the Entity only to fall into the collapsing Pocket Dimension meant for the now dead for real Entity. Unfortunately, for Vyce, he didn't come back with it, but he muses its design is inferior due to being a Glass Cannon. The Grand United Alliance of Good reached out to Linkara after entering and winning the recent Tournament of Champions saying they want to support. The absolute Toku fan that he is, the GUAG members he gets support of the most from are the Power Rangers. He wants to figure out how to let the Comicron-1 has a mecha mode but the design of the ship is enough of a Black Box no progress in doing so has been made.
• You have to be invited to enter Comicron-1. The Nostalgia Critic was kind of annoyed he doesn't have this badass ship, having to settle to make his house a spaceship, and due to out of universe events Linkara isn't enthused about inviting him. He might think differently if he or the Angry Video Game Nerd want to help him deal with his or mutual enemies. Villains almost never get an invitation even if Linkara's a fan of them for security reasons. One of the reasons why it's "almost" is because Snowflame can show up since he's kind of roomies with the reviewer (and he thinks he's a personal Ensemble Dark Horse). He initially allowed superheroes to come in unannounced but grew sick of Batman trying to make contingency plans for Comicron-1 so from now on they need an invitation. Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are common visitors.
• Though villains almost never get an invitation, there are blatant perma-ban lists. Complete Monsters, of course they're not invited. Those that push more into existential threat territory for him/being very OP, also never allowed entry. He doesn't want SKYNET or any of its loyal agents due to experience with Mechakara. However he has also permanently banned Amanda Waller despite her being more an occasional/ambiguous villain. Why? Simple; she keeps trying to shut his show down and seize his assets for the US government due to not trusting him, or making her own contingencies in case he goes rogue. Being a comic book fan, he feels those contingencies would be at best questionable.
  Linkara: You know I've read "JLA: Tower of Babel right? I've seen how a full on superhero's contingencies can go belly-up, so I'm sure as hell not trusting you! Also FYI, Batman was meant to be seen in the wrong."
• Thanks to the holodeck, Linkara is able to make Comicron-1 his home away from home. The ship utilizes repurposed Cybermats made by Linkara's tech expert Dr Linksano. No, not Dr Insano, but his brother from another universe^note his real name is Oscar Schlumper. Linkara's old nemesis was pretty pissed off to see even after a decade he still has ownership of Lord Vyce's ship and he plans to take control of the ship for himself. Lionel Hutz attempted to make some sort of lawsuit over these "borrowed assets", but the crew of the USS Enterprise roll their eyes at a harmless Shout-Out. Unfortunately the Cybermen had another idea, in that they are trying to control the repurposed Cybermats in order to take the ship for themselves.
• SCP-2578-D has been communicating with Comicron-1 after noticing its presence in Earth orbit. The Kill Sat stated that it sees even greater potential for heroism than Linkara thinks, as he could use the ship to intimidate dictators into surrendering power and allowing more freedom. Linkara tacitly refuses as he believes this would be Jumping Off the Slippery Slope; he had a major reality call after being called out for his unheroic actions and he witnessed his hologram clone to plan to use it against Marvel and DC editors to force them to improve the quality of comic books. He's a comic-loving nerd and he's not going to indulge in the behavior of characters like The Authority. The SCPs Hall of Military Technology has been observing the ship for its potential. Stan Smith has tried to exploit his CIA status to go on the ship under the pretense of the US government monitoring it, but Linkara saw right through it and kicked him off since he would rather avoid any of his 'verse's craziness on his ship...he has enough weirdness on his own.

@ Sailor Venus: The Metal Gear series has Big Boss who was used as the dna source for three clones. Each of the clones are major characters of the games. One clone Solid Snake is the playable character for over half of the games. The second clone Liquid Snake was the main villain of Metal Gear Solid 1. The third clone Solidus Snake was the main villain of Metal Gear Solid 2.

Edited by neoamon on Mar 26th 2024 at 1:23:42 PM

@Mr Sinister: Deadpool once went after him after he stole his kill for a contract.

I think their Moral Alignment is spot on. Selfish, Evil, openly uses everyone as a pawn or tool, in it for themselves? Definitely Neutral Evil.

@Snailfish: Venjix captured and converted multiple humans into cyborgs for his own goals, he would probably be a hated foe for Tomoo and great ally for Yatsu.

Reposting these with feedback:

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[[folder:Azulín and Gordi]]

Azulin and Gordi, Co-Gods of Religious Animals

^{Azulin's war attire}

• s: 4 (Excessive, Necromancer, Crimson, Dood)
• House: Religious Practice, Animal Behavior
• Demideities
• Symbol: The Sacred Book, alternatively his mask (Azulin). A bow and a heart-shaped arrow (Gordi)
• Alignment: Chaotic Evil, thinks of himself as Lawful Good (Azulín), Neutral Good (Gordi).
• Portfolio: Believed in a Religion of Bears and Unicorns, Cain and Abel.
  • Azulin: Big Bad Slippage, It's All About Me, Jerk with a Heart of Jerk, The Chosen Wannabe, Ax-Crazy, Malevolent Masked Man, Not An Example Of Blue Is Heroic, Cute and Psycho, Evil Is Petty, All Take and No Give, Fond of Disproportionate Retribution, Mike Nelson, Destroyer of Worlds, Karmic Death
  • Gordi: Nice Guy, The Only Outright Good Bear, All of the Other Reindeer, Took a Level in Badass, Rose-Haired Sweetie, Big Brother Instinct, Grew a Spine, Too Good For This Sinful World, Befriended a Unicorn Foal, Maria, The Hero Dies
• Domains: Animals, Religion, Siblings, Bears Hatred, War
• Herald: María (Gordí)
• Allies:
  • Azulin: Napoleon, Grogar, "Big" Jack Horner, The Tediz, Lots-o' Huggin Bear, Fliqpy.
  • Gordi: All Heroic My Little Pony Deities (especially Twilight Sparkle), Lady Amalthea, Po, Shrek, Naughty Bear, The Care Bears.
• Enemies: The Houyhnhnms.
  • Azulin: Gordi, 'Gordi's allies Pegasus, Good Deites in the House of Siblings, Conker, The House of Nature Preservers (especially San), Moro-No-Kimi.
  • Gordi: Azulin, Azulín's allies, The Equestrian Villains.
• Opposed by: Chirin, Ford Pines, Mabel Pines (Azulin)
• Oppose: The Perverted Unicorn (both)
• Gordi and Azulín were a pair of anthropomorphic bear brothers who lived in a small town near a magical forest, according to their town's religion, the bears once were unintelligent wild animals that eventually were given sapience by the God of the world through a sacred book in a church that was placed in the middle of the forest; however the jealous unicorns that also inhabited the forest didn't approve of the bears and drove them out motivating the future generations to fight and eventually wipe out the unicorns to reclaim their land. Gordi and Azulin joined a special squadron to fight in the war, with Azulin making his brother miserable at all turns and gradually being driven to insanity by his sociopathy and obsession with being the hero of the story as he read that the sacred book of the bears' religion indicated the legend of a "Chosen One" that would guide the bears to victory. After most of their comrades perished in battle, Azulin and Gordi had a falling out with Gordi ending up lost and in unicorn territory where contrary to what he'd been raised to believe turned out to be a friendly place where he made peace with his former religious enemies; meanwhile, Azulin was injured but found and healed and was made into the figurehead of the war efforts, leading to him rising in the ranks and eventually taking over as the supreme commander to use his newfound power to lead a mass assault on the forest, destroying it and all the unicorns at the cost of all bears but him perishing in the process. When he reunited with Gordi, despite his prior grief and regret, he was filled with rage when Gordi revealed himself to have befriended a unicorn foal, Maria, and killed him in cold blood before killing Maria and consuming her flesh to fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One; but then from Maria's body a monstrous entity emerged and devoured him, his brother's corpse and Maria and took on a humanoid form before marching to take over the now-desolate world.
• Gordi and Azulin woke up in the Pantheon, Gordi feeling a massive pain in the back of his head from leftover blunt trauma while Azulin felt like he was drowning as he woke up. Once both adjusted their senses back to full lucidity, Azulin thought they were in Heaven and he'd fulfilled his purpose before discovering he was quite not right about it as they were now in a Pantheon filled with various Gods of other worlds. Gordi refused to be within his brother's place any longer and went his separate way as did Azulin, eventually their temple was split for Gordi's safety and ever since the two brothers haven't talked much to each other, though many feel that eventually they'll fight again but hope it's Gordi who ends his brother's life this time around.
• From the start, Azulín resumed his hatred and genocidal crusade against the unicorns, now targeting those in the Pantheon that he felt were the biggest threats to him. Chief among these deities were the unicorns and alicorns of the My Little Pony world who wield magic that he finds not only demonic in nature but also have a fully-thriving civilization defined by its peace for the most part, which makes him jealous of their rather good lifestyle; despite his hatred of them he does not feel swayed to ally with the majority of their own enemies as they're either ponies or close species themselves or too dangerous to team up with, with the sole exception of Grogar who's sane and different enough from the ponies to be on Azulín's good graces; Grogar has thought of humoring the bear before betraying him as he finds his bloodlust and sheer cruelty of interest but nothing else.
  • Azulin likewise developed loathing for Lady Amalthea and Pegasus by extension, as both equine deities have powers and status which challenge his views on unicorns and his religion's principles, something he doesn't takes well. Amalthea herself feels pity towards Azulin, having heard from Gordi about how he once wasn't as bad (though was never really a good person) but got worse as the indoctrination and his growing sociopathy got the better of him and sank him into full depravity past the point of return. Pegasus himself avoids Azulin and wants nothing to do with him in any way, viewing him as both a lost cause and a monster that never really did anything remotely good.
  • Gordi, on the other hand, befriended the ponies without issue and has taken interest in adopting their ideology of friendship and trust, recalling how his world was doomed by the bears adopting a religious ideology that put killing their enemies above all things, especially how his brother fully absorbed the worst aspects of it in his downwards spiral towards evil. He also met the human, Megan, who came from another world to the ponies' own to help in various adventures; she is glad to hear that despite his upbringing Gordi changed for the better from the good of his heart and has given him some time to take care of pony foals as their babysitter, remembering Gordi's time as the young Maria's caretaker. He also began to help taking care of Unico, a young and friendly pony with a similar view on the world and who too reminded him of Maria, Unico in turn appreciates having another friend though had almost tried to befriend Azulin before Gordi talked him out of it knowing his brother wouldn't have mercy on Unico.
• A few deities both brothers equally dislike are the Houyhnhnms, horses with contempt towards most things that aren't themselves and a predisposition for being arrogant and self-righteous. Azulin views them as extensions of the unicorns and wants them wiped out to take over their island, while Gordi is abhorred by their isolationist ideas and disdain for humans or other species they consider as bad as the "Yahoos". The Houyhnhnms in turn are not too concerned about the bears themselves but rather fear what Azulin might bring upon them as they were horrified to learn of how Azulin basically caused the apocalypse on his world and led to the rise of what they perceive to be a demonic Yahoo. As such they've taken steps to keep both bears as far away from their temple as possible and also ensure none of their allies can reach their island, for once fearing their kind might in genuine danger.
• Due to their religions' uncanny parallels to various common religions such as Christianity they've gained some infamy among more religious deities, though that's mostly reserved for the deranged fundamentalist that is Azulin. Primarily among these opposers was Orel Puppington who is a very devoted Christian but was occasionally misguided into some rather nasty acts out of blind obedience before he wound up realizing just how rotten most of his town was in their own devotions and outgrew the worst traits of his religious ideals; while Orel pities Azulin and sympathizes with Gordi for how their mother cheated on their father, he isn't willing to let the former get off easy for the genocide he led and his own killing of his brother just for not siding with him in addition to the long-standing bullying and cruelty Azulin put Gordi through while acting entitled to his brother's love and attention, not unlike Clay's own psychological abuse of him while gaslighting him into obedience.
• Gordi's idealism and technical pacifism has led to him befriending deities who've also vouched for said kind of ideals or even coexistence as Gordi had achieved with the unicorns he was raised to believe were the enemy. One of these deities was Star Butterfly, as the princess grew up being taught to hate and kill monsters yet found herself sympathizing with them upon finding out her people's revisionism and worked hard to create a kingdom fit for both her kind and monsters alike. Another of these allies was Caesar, the evolved ape having been caught up in a desperate conflict of humanity and apes in which he even had to turn against his brother-in-arms Koba, who was too far gone in his hatred to be saved, but while Gordi was the one to lose in his conflict with Azulín, Caesar triumphed against Koba and achieved a peaceful future for apes, whereas Gordi was too late for any bright future to come before Azulín tore it down, Caesar does greatly sympathize with Gordo due to what he went through and even gave him condolences for his fallen friends and family. While Koba might have some similar ideas to Azulín, he does find his lack of common goals to be a reason not to be interested in forming an alliance with him, instead opting to ignore his existence.
• While Azulin might have ideals of bear superiority he's willing to team up with non-bears if they are willing to reach some kind of compromise (provided it doesn't screw him over), one of these allies was Napoleon the pig, who loathes equines due to his personal experiences with members of their kind and is interested in Azulin's power-hungry tendencies given his own rise to power. While Napoleon sees the religion he profuses as a possible threat to his influence he nonetheless has thought up of ways of using it as a way to give himself even more power and influence in the greater Pantheon or neutralize how much it can reach out. Azulin also admires Napoleon's ruthlessness and his iron fist rule in which he employed both fear and cunning to keep the show going, while Napoleon in turns shows respect towards Azulin's ruthlessness and unbreakable will in his attempts to destroy the Unicorns and rule the forest.
• Another deity who had issues with unicorns was Stanford Pines aka the Author of the Journals, but while he might not like unicorns himself even he thinks Azulín and formerly Gordi were way too excessive in their own biases, especially since they were attacking unicorns trying to protect their home; Mabel who also had such a bad run-in with unicorns was similarly disgusted by Azulín's methods and his treatment of his brother. He is glad Gordi has changed his ways but is equally disappointed in Azulín not doing the same and becoming far, far worse. He also laments how their sibling relationship ended in disaster, especially since Gordi still tried to reason with his brother for as long as he could while Azulín mistreated him his entire life out of petty spite.
• Azulín made an unusual ally in "Big" Jack Horner, primarily because the latter not only has abused and subdued unicorns for his own ends, but also because he seeks to deprive everyone of magic, which would include any and all unicorns in the world. While Jack thinks Azulin is a wee bit too unstable at times, he had not much issue teaming up over their common enemies and also to use him as a sucker pawn in his plans, given that the level of violence and brutality Azulin has led in the past sounded like a very interesting chance for him to exploit for his own ends. In response to this, Gordi came to loathe Jack for his mistreatment of baby unicorns and enslavement of magical beings, while in turn allying with Puss in Boots and Shrek, who gave him a bit more insight on just how wrong the religion that indoctrinated several of his fellow bears into hatred really was.
• There are a few unicorn deities both Azulin and Gordi are equally wary of, among these is King Sombra, an enemy of the Equestria deities who has tried to enslave the world multiple times which gave both brothers a reason to hate him; Azulin not only hates Sombra out of prejudice due to being a pony and wielding dark magic but also because of him viewing Sombra's power as a threat to any future rule he would try and establish and just in general that his power undermines his self-made image of dread. Another of these unicorns is the perverted nameless Unicorn whose behavior and promiscuity has made Azulin and Gordi alike uncomfortable and prone to try and avoid him any way they can, while Gordi at least tries to be amicable if dismissive whenever they cross paths if only to avoid trouble and a fight he doesn't wants happening, Azulin has at times violently charged and tried to murder the unicorn as retaliation for the slightest unwanted attention, which has made the Unicorn be pretty scared of the blue bear and prone to running for the hills if he so much as spots him in the distance.
• Interestingly enough, their final fates of Azulin striking down Gordi with a rock makes them their world's counterparts to Cain and Abel. Cain himself is in the Pantheon and was interested to hear more of the two brothers' tale, while Cain is occasionally uncaring about his crimes, he has been more remorseful as of lately and is horrified that something so similar went down on another world but that instead of feeling remorse about the deed, Azulin has just doubled down on his cruelty which soured his view of the psychotic blue bear; he in turn was fond of Gordi for his friendly demeanor and willingness to befriend others and make peace not unlike Abel's peaceful and kind-hearted approach to life.
• Naughty Bear got along well with Gordi, mainly because he could relate to being singled out and hated by his peers just for being different, though Gordi never went into a rampage out of revenge. He in turn loathed Azulin more than any bear he did prior, not only for murdering Gordi in cold blood but also being the main perpetrator of the bullying Gordi went through yet still being an entitled jerk who demanded full loyalty and love from his brother despite doing nothing to earn even a pat in the back, while Gordi has pleaded time and time again for Naughty Bear not to disembowel Azulin violently, Naughty has made it clear he won't guarantee Azulin will live if he keeps down the path he walks for now.
• Po is another Weight Woe who suffered as a result of his physical appearance, as the Furious Five and Shifu (and virtually everyone but his father) were initially dismissive and cruel to him for being a fat panda. Gordi's bullying turned to worse and it was perpetrated by his violent brother, which caused Po to greatly sympathetize with him, which Gordi appreciated and was happy to hear how his own tale turned out much better in the end. In turn Azulin resents and envies Po for being a legitimate Chosen One and being praised and loved by his people for who he is rather than for a mask, in one ocassion Azulin tried to kill Po but wisely retreated once the Dragon Warrior easily beat him, ever since he's been thinking of conspiring with Po's foes to take him down in petty revenge.
• San, being a guardian of a sacred forest, absolutely loathes Azulín for all he's done to the forest of the unicorns and then murdering his brother for not supporting his madness. She on the other hand felt bad for Gordi due to what his brother did to him and for his failed attempts at living in peace with the unicorns and protect Maria from the evil of the other bears' warmongering ways. San's adoptive mother, Moro-No-Kimi, shares her views on the two but especially feels bad for Gordí due to his attempts at salvaging something out of the bear-unicorn war going to Hell real quickly thanks to Azulín's mania.
• The Tediz got along well with Azulín thanks to their shared views on militarism and supremacy and even finding it admirable how their fellow bear took over the army he once served and turned it into far more of fascist state in order to achieve his goals of dominion. The Tediz have offered to help Azulín to allow him to achieve his goals, viewing eliminating all unicorns as a way to further their conquests by removing powerful magic users from the Pantheon and those who'd dare to defend them. For this, Gordi made enemies with them and even found an unusual ally due to mutual enemies in Conker the Squirrel, while Conker might be a tad too crass and perverted to hang out constantly, he nonetheless appreciates some support to him; in turn Conker thinks of Azulín as a complete nutjob who needs to be stopped before he causes trouble for him.
• The Care Bears are a group of cuddly and nice-natured bears who strive to teach the values of friendship and care to all. While Gordi was very approving of them, Azulín found them repulsive and too saccharine for his liking, thinking of them as weaklings and less cuter than himself, though they in turn found him too cruel for their own liking and were horrified by what he did to the sacred forest he so much coveted as well as to his fellow bears that he disliked and the unicorns he wished exterminated.
• Azulín found out about Lotso, another bear who also follows a similar darwinist mindset and lead a tyrannical reign over his fellows (toys in Lotso's case) and was similarly slighted by a parental figure; while Lotso has not much interest in Azulín's agenda, he does at least shows no desire to oppose him after meeting him, understanding his twisted ideals since they are not unlike his own. Another bear on a similar wavelength to Azulín was Fliqpy, the split personality of Flippy, from the Happy Tree Friends who revels in the depravity he sinks to and finds Azulín a kindred soul because of the lengths the blue bear will go to accomplish his goals and be rid of those he dislikes.

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Oh yeah, I missed that completely lol

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 26th 2024 at 10:29:20 AM

(You should get rid of the Theme Song section if it's to remain empty)

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Mar 26th 2024 at 8:19:36 AM

What kind of opinion would they have about Chiba-Usa who's love interest is Helios, a dream guardian who takes a form of a winged unicorn?

Edited by WhirlRX on Mar 26th 2024 at 8:22:35 AM

@ Snailfish: The SCP Foundation has SCP-217/the Clockwork Virus under lock and key. It's an incurable, 100% effective virus that (in what's described as a tearing pain) turns animal tissue into a mechanical variant, ultimately into a Clockwork Creature. It's a Viral Transformation and infected can continue for months, even years, without being detected. Something the two would be eyeing up, but for quite different reasons

Azulín and Gordi are officially ascended.

Religious Practice has hit the "too long warning" and is approaching 300K characters. Can Hugh Bliss be moved to Sinners? His trope, Path of Inspiration, is about seemingly innocuous religions that are actually made for some nefarious purpose and is Evil All Along, which fits the Sinners Hall well.

Speaking of movement and long pages, I made a few movement proposals from Naming Convention here but I didn't get any responses.

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Mar 26th 2024 at 9:50:52 AM

The Hierarchs are in Fantastical Leadership so they can be removed from Religious Practice. In addition, there are some bad profiles in Naming Convention, particularly Shining Armor, Speed-O-Sound Sonic, Josie Rizal, Rad Dudesman, Sarge and Serena.

I am currently working on a new profile that would end up in Naming Convention (I didn't intend to add to this problem, but still sorry about that)

@Venus: Are the other characters in the profile his clones? Also, Mewtwo is an enhanced clone.

They are, yes. There’s a seperate character called Enigma/Essex AI who isn’t a clone, but an AI, so he’s not being included

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Mar 27th 2024 at 12:16:34 PM

Here's the updated profile. Still needing to work on some things.

• House: Businesses and Corporations, either Tyrannical Figures or Manners of Authority
• Demigods
• Symbol: Collectively, the flag of Guangdong. Individually, their corporate logos.
• Theme Song: Silicon Dreams
• Alignment: Lawful Evil, with the exception of Morita Akio, who is Lawful Neutral with Good leanings. Ibuka Masaru becomes True Neutral, striving towards Neutral Good in his Reconciliation path.
• Portfolio in General: Rulers of a corporate nation,
  • Morita Akio:
  • Matsushita Masaharu:
  • Ibuka Masaru:
  • Komai Kenichirō:
• Domains: Corporations, Money, Profit, Arms Dealing
• Heralds: Li Ka-shing, Stanley Ho and Ōmori Kan (Morita Akio), Matsushita Kōnosuke (Matsushita Masaharu), Yokoi Hideki, Tsuchida Kuniyasu (Matsushita Masaharu, Ibuka Masaru, Komai Kenichirō), Miyazaki Kiyotaka (Komai Kenichirō)
• Allies:
  • Morita Akio:
  • Matsushita Masaharu: Renata Glasc
  • Ibuka Masaru is unique in this regard, as whoever is allied with him depends on whether he reconciles or not:
    • Reconciliation: The Phantom Thieves of Hearts
    • Persistence:
  • Komai Kenichirō: Eliza and Neil Reagan, Banzai Chargers, Masataka Shima, Saruman, Sauron
• Enemies: It's hard to usually pinpoint enemies since those allied to a specific Chief Executive sometimes opposes the other Chief Executives. For example, anyone allied with Komai Kenichirō is regarded as an enemy by Morita and Matsushita with the exception of Ibuka. But more specifically:
  • Ibuka Masaru and Komai Kenichirō: Kazuma Kiryu, Goro Majima, Yousuke Otoha/Karas
  • Matsushita Masaharu, Komai Kenichirō: The Phantom Thieves of Hearts
  • Matsushita Masaharu, Ibuka Masaru and Komai Kenichirō: Masaya Okonogi.
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Ibuka with Komai, due only being invited as a sideliner against Morita Akio, and consequently, Ibuka and Komai's allies tend to not work together willingly. But more specifically:
  • Matsushita Masaharu: Kazuma Kiryu, Goro Majima
  • Komai Kenichirō: The Imperial Japanese Navy, in particular, Isoroku Yamamoto, Tamon Yamaguchi, The Imperial Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces
• Opposes: AUTO (Ibuka Masaru)
• Pitied by: Various good-aligned Sony deities (Morita Akio)
• The State of Guangdong is an artificial Japanese colonial state carved out of China in a timeline where the Axis had an total victory over the Allies in World War II. Initially intended to be a retirement home for Japanese soldiers envisioned by Tōjō Hideki, after he was ousted from power at the end of the war, it instead became a playground of unrestrained capitalism, filled with crime, corruption and poverty, overseen by supposedly the Kanton Minseifu, the Guangdong Civil Administration, but in practice is mostly instead run by the biggest corporations in Guangdong, a fact that has been enforced with the Yasuda Crisis, which saw the Chief Executive Suzuki Teiichi being given a Vote of No Confidence and forced to resign, with the other corporate leaders forcing the now-powerless Representative Director of Yasuda Bank's Guangdong Branch Matsuzawa Takuji to the seat so that the now-disgraced Yasuda Bank can take even more brunt of their unpopular decisions, after which a power vacuum among the Sony, Matsushita Electric^note Better known under their international and current OTL name Panasonic and Fujitsu corporations occurs to take the seat of Chief Executive. Both Sony and Fujitsu would invite their respective allies, Cheung Kong and Hitachi to further strengthen their position, but Hitachi seeks to take the throne backed by their Manchurian and IJA connections to turn it into a Manchurian industrial state.
• While the Chief Executives are barely recognizable in our own world with the exception of Morita Akio and Ibuka Masaru who founded Sony in our timeline, nevertheless, the corporations that they are associated with are easily more remembered than them most of the time. In a world where a new order was founded where National Socialism and Fascism is seen a potentially viable ideology, it too corrupted the corporations and the people associated with them: Ibuka Masaru would instead betray Morita Akio for Fujitsu caused by Tokyo Telecommunications' slow growth, starting a rivalry that did not end up as a friendship in our timeline, Matsushita Masaharu would attempt to further strengthen Matsushita Electric's hold on Guangdong to turn it into a corporate empire, and Komai Kenichirō will brutally implement the Manchurian system to industrialize Guangdong at the expense of the workers.
• How the Chief Executives rose to the position was a pellicular one. The House of Commerce doesn't typically award titles through merits or something else- rather, they are to be held in an auction for various titles. One of them in particular was the One Nation Under Copyright trope, an auction held with the cooperation with the House of Leadership. Though the competition was fierce, in the end, the various Chief Executives of Guangdong managed to secure the title for themselves, an extremely rare moment of cooperation between them considering the ongoing behind-the-scenes plotting against each other. With this, they have managed to ascend to another sector of the House of Commerce where the corporations compete each other in a product cycle, a fierce race of both quality control and advertising which can be heard around the various Houses. Additionally, they also managed to branch out to weapons development, with them sending out weapons not just for profit, but to meet the goals they have to fulfill so that their weapon is seen as a potentially profitable venture, which is also why they sell them to the House of Weapons regardless of the outcome of various battles. Marketing in Guangdong is a tough business, and it is no different when they ascended to divinity.
• Even though they rule over Guangdong, they are tiny flies compared to the Buy N' Large corporation, who managed to effectively become the world government rather than simply rule a nation. Reactions have been mixed, of course: Morita Akio, upon hearing of CEO Shelby Forthright's attempts to undo the damages done by his own corporation, has vowed to avoid the pitfalls that Buy N' Large fell into by enforcing his various environmental bills so that the Lion Rock Spirit can breathe more fresh air in Guangdong, Matsushita Masaharu is impressed by their growth and sheer magnitude of rule, but like Morita, he will use his environmental bills to prevent his corporate empire from facing the same fate as Buy N' Large, if only because such an environment would be inefficient for him, Ibuka Masaru laments that the technology that the managed to invent instead resulted in much of humanity becoming lazy in the future, and plans to reverse engineer their technology so that it instead results in a more hard-working humanity and to further his meritocratic vision, resulting in him opposing AUTO for allowing for such complacency, and Komai Kenichirō's reasons are similar, albeit using it to virtually turn the entire population into money-makers regardless of the cost of human life.
• (Mr Robot)
• (Triads)
• The Yakuza are among the many criminals that lie within Guangdong, and have a fierce rivalry with the Triads, and it's not uncommon for a downright Mob War to occur every now once then. Ibuka has allied with them due to Morita allying with the Triads for their assistance towards the Chinese underclass, and much like the above, Matsushita is gathering evidence to prevent them from causing too much of a ruckus, and Komai occasionally uses them to kowtow anyone that threatens Hitachi's regime. Kazuma Kiryu and Goro Majima, in spite of being Yakuza, downright oppose Ibuka and Komai for this, and for Kiryu in particular, Komai reminds him too much of Kyohei Jingu, a Corrupt Politician who also happened to be greedy. On the other hand, they are willing to work with Matsushita, albeit very reluctantly due to also being willing to dissolute part of the Yakuza as well, and even then, Kiryu feels way too uncomfortable with Matsushita due his motivations reminding him of Tsuneo Iwami, though Matsushita has assured that unlike him, he doesn't plan to betray his father any time soon. Yousuke Otona prefers to not be around the Chief Executives, aside from Morita as they remind him way too much of his past as a yakuza enforcer. Meanwhile, Masaya Okonogi downright despises all three for reminding him of the time he was exploited by the yakuza through his swindling father at a young age.
• Due to being mostly Corrupt Corporate Executives, they are also considered to be a target by the Phantom Thieves of Hearts, though their threat priority differs: Morita Akio is considered a non-target due to him willing to reform the corporate system so that it can benefit the people, Matsushita Masaharu is lowest priority, Ibuka Masaru is dependent on whether he manages to persist in his vision of a technocratic future or not, and Komai Kenichirō is regarded as top priority to his extreme corruption. Komai is well aware of this and has taken notes from the Antisocial Forces' attempts to stave off the Phantom Thieves, albeit this time, making sure that no fools will try to sabotage each other and ensure that they stay down.
• (Guangdong Riots)
• (Nintendo)
• (Other TNO deities?)
• Of course, the more things change, the more they stay the same. No matter which Chief Executive is currently in charge of Guangdong, it never really changes that much. The only thing that does change is how much human cost is needed to produce profit and regardless, the dynamic of Guangdong consists of Japanese expats being the ruling class, the Zhujin middle-class, and the Chinese low-class. Such is life in Guangdong, where corporate visionaries become national ones.
• Exclusive to Morita Akio:
  • (various Sony-related deities interactions)
• Exclusive to Matsushita Masaharu:
  • Matsushita found surprising solidarity with Renata Glasc not just due to their position as powerful CE Os, but also genuinely hold them dear to their heart- For Matsushita, earning his father-in-law's Kōnosuke's approval, and for Reneta, in spite of her business policies going against her parents' interests, does hold them dear to her heart. While Matsushita is somewhat unnerved by her chemtech formula passed on from her parents, nevertheless, they get along surprisingly well because of their shared upbringing.
• Exclusive to Ibuka Masaru:
• Exclusive to Komai Kenichirō:
  • Graduating from Tokyo Imperial and later rising up the ranks of Hitachi Limited, Komai is one of the Reform Bureaucrats to have ascended in the pantheon, and such an innocent name hides the sheer amount of cruelty and exploitation of Imperial Japan. Under them, the Reform Bureaucrats subordinate most of their subjects' economies to extract their resources regardless of the human cost. As such, his ideology would find a place in Mordor, where industrialization was practically underway- Hitachi's presence just exacerbated the conditions over there, and the more money comes out of it, the better.
  • Hitachi's connections to Manchuria isn't just to its armies; Komai also has connections to the Kempeitai as well, and also the Imperial Japanese Army as an extension. Unfortunately for him, however, currently the Imperial Japanese Navy, which is regarded as somewhat less brutal compared to the IJA is currently the dominant faction of the armies of the Empire of Japan, which means that their members, such as Isoroku Yamamoto and Tamon Yamaguchi are very reluctant to work with him, though Masataka Shima is at the very least willing to work with him to further his personal ambitions. Because of this rather unique situation, he is considered to be a temporary commander for the Banzai Chargers, as they are willing to bayonet most of Hitachi's opposition until an proper IJA commander ascends.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Mar 27th 2024 at 1:10:05 AM

Amity Blight is the daughter of a similarly greedy and abusive CEO in Odalia Blight, a woman who has convinced herself that by aiding Emperor Belos' attempted genocide in the Day of Unity would get her greater status, to the point of becoming genuine royalty. She only truly wanted it for herself, as she's happy to condemn her husband to certain death after working him impossible and genuinely damaging hours, and abusing her kids while threatening Alador with making them work in the factories of Blight Industries to make weapons if he didn't do what she wanted. As Amity was the biggest victim of Odalia alongside her father (with Odalia even trying to indirectly get her girlfriend Luz Noceda killed to keep Amity under her thumb), it goes without saying that she will hate the guts of people like her. On Luz's side, she has always rebelled against corrupt societies like the ones the Oligarchs are on top of, so she wouldn't like them either.

Edited by ForgoLight on Mar 27th 2024 at 1:45:02 AM

For the Religious Practice situation. How about a New Hall, Religious Structure? As a way to separate the religions from the individual practice and behavior? Also, The Flagellant. His tropes, A Taste of the Lash, is a punishment trope, while used in religious punishment, the trope specificly is not a religious one? Where should it be transferred to?

i was thinking more of Torture and Mutilation

Edited by AzureLegacy on Mar 27th 2024 at 8:07:17 AM

Maybe Depravity? That’s the one I was thinking of. to the move and the hall

Edited by J99908 on Mar 27th 2024 at 11:24:03 AM