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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Amateur Veteran
#125826: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:40:16 AM

Inosfar as the Asura images go, I also like the first one better.

Siegfried1337 Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard from the Ashes Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
#125827: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:13:11 AM

Ooh, when did this escalate into a discussion over picking an image of Asura? Anyways, I would pick the latter, but only because it shows what happens if you screw around with him too much. Anyone agreeing to give the Wolkenritters Mundane Luxury btw?

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mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
#125828: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:17:10 AM

Dang, kinda sucks that SBF is ending, though the best is to respect their decision. Especially since their leaving is likely a case of burnout, which is a dangerous thing for creators.

[up]It's just coincidence that one discussion is Asura's image and another is the end of SBF.

Use the first image. I prefer full renders than screenshots if it's my priority.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:18:49 AM

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125829: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:23:09 AM

I prefer the first image for Asura.

In general it's preferable to have full-body pictures.

Uni cat
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#125830: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:26:15 AM

You know, i never use the discussion page for picture changing. I just changed it to my liking. Of course, i remember someone changing Dante and Vergil pic to Donte and Vergin.

CrownlessMimic Gatekeep Girlboss Gasharpoon from The Great Lake Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Gatekeep Girlboss Gasharpoon
#125831: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:32:33 AM

On the topic of renders I'm assuming no one will mind if I use this:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mhsp_rajang_render_001.jpg
Since this:
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rajang_1087.png
In my eyes, isn't a really good render. And I couldn't find any other 4th Gen Rajang renders.

All my fault, you say...? What fault? I daresay it's all thanks to me.
Siegfried1337 Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard from the Ashes Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
#125832: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:38:05 AM

[up] Eh, I don't mind.

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yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125833: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:38:37 AM

Speaking of changing images, I changed the one for Hulk so that it was Bruce Banner, with a thing you could use to show his Hulk form. I figured since his trope was a transformation it should be like that. I've realized I never consulted anyone about it, so I've changed it back. I'd like to remake the change if I have approval.
Here's essentially what it would look like:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/e0bba1c6211fa310b0c290eae1ed9993_bruce_banner_hulk_smash.jpg
Dr. Robert Bruce Banner
When he's angry!!!! 
The Bruce Banner pic was the best full-body pic of him I could find. If anyone has a better one, I can use that.
[down] Indeed, you're right. I've changed my mind. I'd like to change it to this one.
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/04f605b077509ec029b9a38e5982bd25.jpg

Edited by yugi195 on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:51:49 AM

In another few hours, the sun will rise.
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#125834: Dec 16th 2018 at 10:44:59 AM

[up]A pick that shows both Bruce and Hulk is ok honestly. In fact, shouldn't the profile be Bruce Banner and The Hulk since they are both different people.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#125835: Dec 16th 2018 at 1:50:35 PM

First draft of Dr Cossack. A good father/person for palate cleansing

Doctor Mikhail Sergeyevich Cossack, God of Initial Final Bosses (Dr Cossack)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cossackcw_1194.jpg

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:51:11 PM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125836: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:02:15 PM

[up] He looks a lot like Gordon Freeman.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Dec 16th 2018 at 7:02:25 AM

Uni cat
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#125837: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:12:16 PM

It seems ascension criteria have changed since last I checked. Before, there was a several day waiting period before reposting. Can you now post once a day?

nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#125838: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:23:15 PM

@Ferot: Actually, I think if you have 2 [tup]s, you can post the day after, three days after that, then ascend. If 3, then ascend after 3 days.

@Clovis: Add Shou Tucker as an enemy for obvious reasons (read: daughter). [tup] for Cossack. Remember to add him to the GUAG Engineering Division when he's up.

Repost Mode

What interaction should I have between Nier and Martin Walker?

Nier, Divine Herald of Save Data Deletion (Papa/Brother Nier, Replicant Nier, Twattycake, Defender of the Innocent)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/nier_nier_artwork.png
Left: Father Nier, Right: Brother Nier
  • Potential House: Game Design
  • [tup]s: 2 (igordebraga, Ferot_Dreadnaught)
  • Ascending on: Dec 23 (repost on Dec 20 and Dec 17)
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: A Lunar Tear flower
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good, or at least they try to be
  • Theme Song: Yonah
  • Portfolio: Will Kill Any Shade Just For Existing, Dark-based Magic, Multi-Melee Master, Chronic Hero Syndrome, Declaration of Protection, Destructive Saviour, Empowered Badass Normal, Goes Without A Plan And Makes One Up On The Spot, Those Who Care Not For The Consequences Of Their Actions, Held Back By Nothing (Except Sidequests), Born At September 11, Bad Powers, Good People, Super Drowning Skills, Actions Led To The Extinction Of The Human Race, Retconned From Existence
  • Domain: War, Destruction, Rage, Good
  • Herald: Grimoire Weiss
  • High Priest: The Fallen Child in the Genocide Path
  • Allies:
    • Father Nier: Guts
    • Brother Nier:
  • Enemies: Shades, any form of The Heartless (like Mr. Scratch), and any of its leaders (like Master Xehanort)
  • Opposes: Caim and Angelus (for screwing with his world), 9S
  • Opposed by: Geralt of Rivia
  • Conflicting Opinion: Yu Narukami, Ryotaro Dojima, 2B
  • In video games, the best thing about them is that you can do whatever you want. Take Your Time, get Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer, level grind, and indulge in Video Game Cruelty Potential (and wait out your punishment before doing it all over again). After all, it's nothing a little Save Scumming can't fix, right? And then there are the games that threaten to take that away, too.
    • Nier himself isn't someone who enforces this, but rather is a "victim" of this, yet his end was so It Was His Sled iconic that the Court decided to ascend Nier for Deletion as Punishment. But how do you bring back someone who was Ret-Gone? Well, that's because right before the deletion, they turned that "deletion" into a "file move", thus still removing Nier and everything about him from his world as they brought his "data" into the Pantheon and reconstructed him.
    • That said, the deities at work on bringing Nier got things mixed up so that they ended up bringing in two Niers; one is a young adult, and one is middle-aged. As it was too late to rectify this issue, and because the retrieval teams technically both brought the "correct" Nier, it was decided that they both stay. After filling them in on what the Pantheon is all about.
      • That said, by Word of God, the younger Nier is the "canonical" one because he'd be the type to sacrifice himself to save Kainé, the woman he loves, whereas the older Nier would be more likely to Mercy Kill her so he can be there for Yonah. But their ascension has already been done, so they both stay, and as a result of History Repeats, both of them are "canon" anyway.
    • As for what is to be told about their worlds; they decided to relay the following (since some might tell them anyway out of spite): Nier's actions basically doomed the entire human race in their world to extinction. "Thankfully", there were still remnants on the moon that—millennia later—would eventually direct androids—such as 2B—to reclaim the planet from machines led by aliens (hey, millennia have passed; a lot can happen in that time). Although that turned out to be a farce perpetuated by YoRHa. The lie the Court did tell though was Yonah's (and Kainé's) fate. Rather than tell them she dies anyway to the Black Scrawl in a few years, they were instead told that she lived a fulfilling life until old age eventually claimed her.
    • As for why Yonah and their friends could not be brought here, the Court says that that was the price of sacrificing their existence; the price cannot be rendered moot. Grimoire Weiss though was fair game since he did also sacrifice himself in the final battle and is being ascended soon. For the time being, they have to settle with simple swords (or lances).
  • Applies to either Nier:
    • Being from a world cursed with Endless Daytime, his first witnessing of night in the Pantheon left him in absolute awe, wishing that Yonah was here to see it.
    • Thanks to the knowledge of his world's past, he greatly despises Caim and Angelus because their coming to their world led to its inevitable end. Caim on the other hand wants his weapons back as some of Nier's findings were originally his.
    • While a good man who does good whenever he can, Nier's refusal to think about his actions tend to have some horrifying consequences. What he sees as monsters he refuses to see as possibly more than that. As such, he's often forced to stand down by deities with more restraint more times than either would like.
      • On the plus side, though, he's willing to do even the most meager of tasks just for the sake of helping others.
    • There are those who use Nier as an example of why you need to have perspective if you wish to be a hero, citing his ignorance resulting in being seen as a Complete Monster to the Shades as he even slaughtered their "children" as a prime reason.
    • Somehow, he can even drift with a giant boar! It needs to be seen to be believed.
    • Thanks to a certain old man, Nier is an exceptional fisherman, able to pull out all sorts of aquatic life, including sharks and ancient fish. Now in the Pantheon, this sometimes also includes the aquatic monsters the Monster Hunters hunt.
    • Has experience with having to face a ridiculous number of projectiles, though his weapons can harmlessly block them.
    • Drowns in any water deeper than his ankles. Though he'll just lose a bit of health (unless in a safe haven) and wash up somewhere nearby for their troubles. The reason why is because he never knew how to swim, since he was forbidden from coming into contact with the precious water resources.
    • Given what happened to humanity in their worlds, Berserker!Iji is reminded all too well of her own lack of thinking that also doomed hers. The worse part is that while Nier was doing it all for the sake of Yonah (with an added racism against Shades), she had "merely" sunk too deep in her rage against the invading aliens that she lost sight of her original objective; to get the invading aliens to leave Earth/Origin. By killing General Tor, the only one willing to listen (after taking a beating), the Komato responded with a full Alpha Strike.
  • Captain Martin Walker has contempt for him as well despite sympathizing with his desire to protect/rescue Yonah. Walker at least had the excuse of being completely insane when he failed to save Dubai. Nier on the other hand was willfully ignorant of the consequences of his actions and took no time to reflect on them. -will probably edit this later-
  • Given the very excessive measures Nier has done to rescue his sister (for Brother Nier)/daughter (for Father Nier), Yu and Ryotaro (who have similar family dynamics with Nanako, even though Yu is actually her cousin rather than her brother) are very disturbed by this and wonder what they would've done had they been in Nier's position. Would they have not cared about the human race all just to save her? In hindsight, of course they wouldn't (and would live with their consequences), but otherwise…
  • Heard of what had happened to Emil through 2B and 9S (that he's all right, fought a war with aliens, became a merchant, and so on), and is pissed with the latter since the Scanner android stole from Emil's house and later fought him.
    • 2B also doesn't like him either since it's his fault humanity went extinct in their world. Yet, if it weren't for him, there would never have been a reason for YoRHa to be founded at all, and she and 9S would never exist. At the very least, she wants nothing to do with him.
  • Exclusive to "Father" Nier:
    • Word of Nier eventually reached Geralt as comparisons were drawn between him and the "newcomer"; both were white-haired swordsmen who are also fathers and use magic on the side. The differences became apparent when the two finally met though in a bar; Geralt's magic is his own whereas Nier uses Grimoire Weiss, he'll hold no comment over Yonah (at least Ciri can fend for herself), Nier still goes out of his way to help the common folk while Geralt has long since given up on that (though he will help if he gets roped into it or if his loved ones are in danger), and there's also the "little" issue of Nier refusing to think things through when it comes to killing monsters, like if it's completely ambivalent, or even innocent, while Geralt isn't nearly as ignorant especially since Nier's actions brought about the extinction of the human race. The last bit triggered something fierce and it resulted in a swordfight Bar Brawl. They've been on bitter terms ever since.
  • Exclusive to "Brother" Nier:

Edited by nightelf37 on Dec 16th 2018 at 6:25:00 PM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#125839: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:26:03 PM

[up][up] You did a fine job with 1548 so i will give you a [tup]

No bias involved

Uni cat
M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#125840: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:29:57 PM

Should we mention the Spider-Verse because the movie or...

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Dec 16th 2018 at 6:32:44 PM

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#125841: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:33:24 PM

[up]Spider-man already went through something similar in the comics. It be redundant if it was.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#125842: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:35:33 PM

Got a Theater sub-house idea. What do you think?

nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
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#125843: Dec 16th 2018 at 2:43:10 PM

[up]Weird Al should get a second house there. After all, he's all about parodies (and some originals, too).

Edited by nightelf37 on Dec 16th 2018 at 6:43:32 PM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125844: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:07:55 PM

After a while, i have updated the worst profile ever

"So guys, we did it, we have become a god in the trope pantheons"

Pyrocynical, God of Self-Deprecation (Niall, Pyro, Cancer, Cute Little Lesbian)

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Pyro's Avatar
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Pyro's Real Face
  • Potential House: Theatric Convention
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: His TV Head. Other times, a purple Top Hat.
  • Theme Song: Whitewoods - Beach Walk
  • Alignment: True Neutral. Tethers the line between Chaotic Good and Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Cringe Comedy, Self-Deprecation, Brutal Honesty, Deadpan Snarker, Always made fun of, Looks like a Lesbian in real life, Game End
  • Domains: Youtube, Videos, Cancer, Cringe, Furries, Bullying Children
  • Allies: Shrek, Freddy Fazbear, The Rock, Steve?, Spyro the Dragon, Howard and Kreese, Roadhog, Cuphead and Mugman
  • Enemies: His Audience (Represented in the pantheon as The Mob), The House of Justice
  • Opposed by: The House of Children
  • Pyrocynical is a british Youtuber, widely considered to be cancer incarnate. One day, he was preparing to make another video about Fortnite when suddenly in the middle of one of his unfunny skits he tripped and fell from his bed into a random hole that opened in his bedroom-floor. He then fell down from a high altitude and dropped into a body of water and when he emerged he got greeted by an army of children reciting the "So guys, we did it." meme that has haunted Pyro for several years. Then he wound up in the Court of Gods, where they told the confused and perplexed youtube that it was actually a prank and that he was selected to be the new god of Self-Deprecation humor (something he does often). At first he didn't believe that some random fictional characters assigned him a weird job out of nowhere, but then he found out that the place he was in was very real and that he wasn't prepared for what he was about to witness.
  • He rose to fame by making MLG Montage Parodies then switched to video commentary, although he frequently targets children. He became infamous for the latter fact since even to this day he still bullies children and the local House of Children has Pyrocynical as the number one enemy (Somehow he is considered worse than Pennywise the Clown) and the resident deities are trained in numerous ways to bully Pyro in turn. When word got to them about Pyro's incoming ascension, they decided to arrange the "So guys, we did it" prank as a way to scare him off, but the children knew perfectly that Pyro would come back and bully them.
  • Good friends with Shrek, the ogre being a bit bothered at first about the infamous "Shrek has Swag" video but then he learned to get over it. Pyro was scared at first, fearing that Shrek would try to punch him in the face but he turned out to be a nice sport about the video. After that, he proceeded to make a review about the first Shrek film, claiming to be the best movie ever made.
  • Sometimes, Pyro is able to actually make videos that don't rely on bullying, instead doing some in-depth review from certain things like Videogames or Fandoms. He did an analysis on Cuphead once and after finding out about the good thing he said about the game, both Cuphead and Mugman were very happy about said video. They became friends with Pyro afterwards, but they are a bit weary of him considering his tendency to bully children.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#125845: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:08:57 PM

There was once a linked document on pantheon rules stating the waiting period for reposting. Can someone link me to it because I can't find it. Or was it removed for being outdated?

For 2[tup], repost 1st and 3 day. What about 3[tup]?

It also says for reworks 1[tup] is seven days, 2 is three, and 3 is immediate ascension. I thought 1[tup] meant 4 days, did something changes? What are the day for reposting Reworks and Treasures/Dominions?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 16th 2018 at 3:14:51 AM

wootzits Since: Apr, 2010
#125846: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:11:34 PM

[up]I think that document got deleted around the same time we lost the database, since it was run by the same person. I suppose we didn't restore it because it wasn't as important.

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#125847: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:14:44 PM

@Pyrocynical Darn it, you didn’t mention Petscop 2 or capitalism

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#125848: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:18:47 PM

[up] I plan to include the petscop bit when i finally talk about The Mob being the stand-in for his Audience.

Also, the House of Justice are enemies because they imprisoned his dad.

Uni cat
nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#125849: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:28:05 PM

@Pyrocynical: Add something involving the Pyro.

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yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125850: Dec 16th 2018 at 3:29:07 PM

Nabu, God of The Hat Makes the Man (Doctor Fate)

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Repost for Doctor Fate.

In another few hours, the sun will rise.

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