Bumping as it was clocked.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanHuh. I'd assumed this had died on the back pages of the forum.
I'd be willing to put a bunch of the analysis/wickcheck parts of the OP in a second post if that would make the OP easier to read. I also would have put Blessed with Suck in the thread title if I'd been able too as it's as much about that trope as it is about Cursed with Awesome.
I'm still willing to do a bunch of grunt work for this if we start changing things about it.
Hm, I always thought the rule of thumb for Cursed with Awesome was the characters think it sucks, but the audience thinks it's great, and the opposite of Blessed with Suck.
Moved all the examples in the two wick checks here.
Cursed with Awesome
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DC Universe Online- Cursed with Awesome: Two-Face's opinion on Clayface's condition.
If I could look like anyone I wanted, I wouldn't be complaining.
- Cursed with Awesome: Loki's point of view on Gaia's fearlessness. His attempts to recreate it don't go so well though.
- Cursed with Awesome: Oh, sure, she's got that immortality to worry about, but she can do just about anything thanks to her powers.
- Cursed with Awesome: A Berserker class Servant is supposed to trade away their skill, sanity and Noble Phantasms for a boost to power. However, Berserker's Eternal Arms Mastery counteracts the skill and sanity loss and only one of his Noble Phantasms requires him to be capable of thinking properly and can be circumvented with Command Seals.
- In Blade, the title character is the son of a woman who was bitten by a vampire and went into labor. He's inhumanly strong, fast, and tough; he can stand sunlight, silver, and garlic; and he craves blood (which he avoids by using a serum, though at least once per film he drank blood and got "supercharged"). The vampires fear him because he hunts them down; in the second film, they want him so they can figure out his immunities and create vampires with them.
- Cursed with Awesome: The Kingdom of Ikana. While its citizens have been cursed to relive their three-day civil war for all eternity, now that they have been unleashed upon Hyrule by Majora, they've kept the experience of these millennia of fighting and whenever they'll be killed they will just respawn from a Termina fissure. It is said even the Stalfos envy them.
- Cursed with Awesome: Both Tania and Zach lampshade the fact that for all of Cade's sulking about being a vampire, being a nigh-immortal, nearly indestructible, super-strong and fast predator is actually pretty cool.
- Cursed with Awesome: His Stroggification is, naturally, a horrific, agonizing and traumatizing experience. However, his new modifications grant him strengths and abilities that make him humanity's best hope.
- Cursed with Awesome: The Corby clan are "cursed" with the ability to turn into birds. Voluntarily. With absolutely no restrictions or drawbacks involved. The "curse" is broken when another character points out that they can just stop doing it.
For added irony, a character suffering from Supernatural Angst may be Cursed with Awesome or Blessed with Suck - however, in many cases there's no such irony; there's no awesome side effects to the curse, it just sucks. Link. There's no mention of who gets to determine if it's Cursed with Awesome or Blessed with Suck which leads too...
This is particularly the case if the character is Cursed with Awesome - if the Supernatural Angst stems from something that is actually pretty cool, with very few negative drawbacks, and that your readers would love to be able to do, then they're unlikely to react well if all your character does is whine about it. Link. The trope assumes the awesome part of Cursed with Awesome is determined by the audience of a work, not the person who is actually cursed.
Related tropes include Blessed with Suck; Can't Have Sex, Ever; Cursed with Awesome; I Hate You, Vampire Dad; What Have I Become?; Who Wants to Live Forever?. Contrast with Cursed with Awesome and Living Forever Is Awesome. Link. First the trope says Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck are related tropes, then says that this trope is in contrast to Cursed with Awesome...
- Cursed with Awesome: Being Spider-Man destroys his academic career, and any chance of happiness he has. On the other hand, he's capable of web-swinging all over New York, and has the chance to do some serious good in the world.
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Hrithik RoshanAlso: He has three thumbs. Pothole. On a creator page no less... and no mention about how the real person feels about it...
- Cursed with Awesome: Much like Kojou, she also has the "curse" of immortality. Hence why she shrugs off that seemingly fatal attack moments earlier by the monster she was chasing after.
The Confessions Of Dorian Gray
- Blessed with Suck/Cursed with Awesome: Dorian does not have a soul. This impedes and saves him multiple times throughout the series.
- The Mummy Trilogy: Imhotep in these films. In the first The Mummy, his every action, from betraying his liege to trying to kill the Female Lead, stems from his commitment to his lover and desire to be with her. That he brings about the end of the world is incidental, the result of being Cursed with Awesome rather than a desire for mass murder or conquest.
- Cursed with Awesome: Stu lost his sense of smell in an accident with industrial chemicals, which comes in very handy chasing rare birds at a garbage dump.
- Cursed with Awesome: According to the secret files the reason Sigma talks in cat puns when anything related to a cat is involved is that he was cursed by a magical cat when he was younger.
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Ultimate Spiderman- Cursed with Awesome: How he sees the Ultimates. He believes that they should be thanking Roxxon for what they gave them and can't see why they are opposed to them. He also believes they are by-large property of Roxxon although he is wrong on account of Miles was not bitten by a Roxxon made product and his only connection to them is that they are after him regardless.
- World of Badass: By virtue of being locked in a war between 22 factions comprised of people ranging from Badass Normal to Cursed with Awesome to Kaiju. Unfortunately, this also has the effect of making the city a...
- Cursed with Awesome: Mystics. They contain elemental spirits inside of them and have access to corresponding Elemental Powers. However, they are generally met with a combination of fear and revulsion; Avalon's backstory shows that he turned unto evil because fellow villagers cast him out and attempted to kill him because of his being a Mystic.
- Blessed with Suck: Being a Watcher carries the risk of being driven to insanity, as past lives are recalled without the ability to separate one from the other. And in the Dyrwood in particular, Watchers are regarded with suspicion by the populace. However, the Watcher can potentially see it as Cursed with Awesome instead for the other things that go with it.
- Cursed with Awesome: Being a Watcher carries all sorts of perks. They can communicate with the dead, peer into people's souls, and learn a host of unique abilities that can come in handy in a fight. The player is free to decide whether the protagonist's status as a Watcher is a curse or a blessing.
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Harpy Gee- Cursed with Awesome: While Harpy can't wield magic anymore due to Pumpkin eating all of it. This likewise makes her immune to magic herself as shown in a flashback when a snobby girl tried to hit her with a spell only for it to pass through her.
- Monk: Adrian Monk is arguably the paradigm for this type. His obsessive/compulsive disorder got him booted from the SFPD and makes it difficult for him to get through his day-to-day life, but it also aids him immeasurably in solving cases. As Monk himself often acknowledges, "It's a gift... and a curse." There once was an episode in which Monk was on pills which took away the Crazy, making him also lose the Awesome.
- Cursed with Awesome - played with, in that lycanthropy is officially considered to be a bad thing in this setting, and it does have its drawbacks (involuntary shapeshifting, worries about infecting others, contact allergy to silver), but Billie still thinks it has its good points.
- Cursed with Awesome
- Barak's "curse" is to turn into a bear when Garion (heir to the long-empty throne of Riva and Overlord of the West by treaty) is threatened. A rampaging, unstoppable bear. At first he thinks it's just a progressive ailment and attempts suicide, but once he gets filled in on the trigger conditions (i.e., his family is now the hereditary protector's of Garion's), he contemplates tasteful ways to work it into his coat of arms. Who wouldn't want to advertise that?
- Cursed with Awesome: Graham's ability to get inside the heads of the killers he tracks makes him good at his job, but puts serious stress on his own sanity at the same time.
- Cursed with Awesome: In chapter 28, Garrus tells him that no one feels sorry for him when he complains about what the augs let him do.
- Slayers has a team of regulars that involves an overzealous justice freak who often does Sailor Moon-style poses and failed acrobatics, an overly short Pettanko motivated primarily by greed/gluttony/revenge, a Big Eater Dumb Blonde Badass Normal, and a Cursed with Awesome golem-demon-human hybrid. The extra characters in the party include an ex-princess who worships a monster she made up, a demon with a penchant for secret-keeping (who is also willing to sell out the entire party), and a shrine maiden with an absurd lack of skill in black magic (to the point where she casts carrot-sized fire spells that tickle people) who somehow learned the strongest black magic spell.
- Also features in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Eustace has an (unjustified) superior attitude towards everyone around him (especially towards the non-humans) and considers himself above such mundane tasks as setting up camp and sneaks off on his own to explore the island. He gets hopelessly lost and then turned into a dragon for sleeping on a dragon's hoard while thinking greedy thoughts. This actually seems like it would be pretty fun, but Eustace is doesn't have the right mindset to be able to enjoy it; also, being turned into a dragon has some serious drawbacks since he can't speak and can't go on with the ship because he's too heavy and eats too much.
- Cursed with Awesome:
- Scar's right arm, which is tattooed with a transmutation circle, but which can only take apart things, whereas a normal alchemical circle deconstructs something and puts it back together in a desirable shape. Scar dislikes it due to how the arm is a transplant from his brother, who thus sacrificed himself to save Scar, and how it utilizes alchemy which is taboo to Scar's people, the Ishbalans.
- The homunculi, who are practically immortal and possess amazing superpowers, yet bitterly resent their existence and supernatural forms. Likewise with Al and the other souls-bonded-to-suits found in Laboratory 5, who are likewise, almost immortal and yet, with the exception of Al, see themselves as not-human. Lust even compares the two situations when trying to explain to Ed why she wants to become human.
- In Mass Effect 2, Miranda Lawson is genetically engineered using her biological "father's" modified genome to be perfect. Unsurprisingly she has some pretty severe daddy issues resulting from what she perceives as her father's egotistical arrogance. Ultimately by the end of 2 and in 3, they turn out to be two VERY different people, with Henry Lawson turning out to be even worse than Miranda described and Miranda showing herself to be a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, with the Jerk part eventually being shed.
- The Simpsons did this multiple times.
- Parodied towards the end of "Homerpalooza", when Homer becomes famous as a carnival freak who withstands cannonballs to his stomach, but is urged to stop by a veternarian because it's damaging his body. During his final show, Homer dodges the cannonball, losing his fans.
Homer: I'll miss you, Pumpkins, but I just can't share your bleak world view. I've got too much to live for.Billy Corgan: We envy you, Homer. All we have is our music, our legion of fans, our million of dollars and our youth...(Beat)Smashing Pumpkins: Woo-hoo!James Iha: Let's all go out and buy fur coats!Jimmy Chamberlin: I want a walk-in humidor.
- Monique of Sinfest fame is attempting to become one after an encounter with Barack Obama. Sadly for her she is Cursed with Awesome in that her own sex appeal tends to trip her up, putting her on the Devil's radar.
- Used literally and figuratively in Date A Live where almost every arc ends with Shido kissing the Girl of the Week. (This seals their power and allows them to live normally.)
- Bizarre Baby Boom: After a while, it turns out that nearly every baby born on Earth was becoming infected with either the Crystallinevirus or the Capaciousvirus - two very bad Cursed with Awesome type diseases that permanently alter the molecular structure and brain density of the affected people.
- Cursed with Awesome: People who have been infected with the Crystallinevirus can become see-through and partially intangible. Unfortunately, the disease also leads to death, either by "losing yourself" or being hunted down and eventually murdered by Fader Haters. Psychics could also count. They possess incredible psychic power, but most end up killing their parents as infants or toddlers because they can not control their power that young.
- Blessed with Suck: She arguably has the worst drawback of the entire team; at least, the most debilitating. She can't help but focus excessively on whatever she's doing, which means she sees how horribly disgusting every surface is, smells everything at greater intensity, and can barely kiss a guy without her sense of touch going haywire.
- Cursed with Awesome: When she gets her abilities dialed up by the power-amplifying photic stimulator, all those downsides are magnified even further... except she can suddenly get intimate without it overwhelming her. Not a bad exchange, all things considered.
- Cursed with Awesome: How she sees her power. She learns anything instantly, and the memory loss means no "rear-view mirror". Bill and Rosen try to convince her that some memories are worth holding onto.
- She later withdraws this claim, telling Hicks that he's lucky to have his memories.
- Cursed with Awesome - Avatar. Immortality and indestructibility sound great on the surface, but what good is Eternal Life when you have no life?
- Cursed with Awesome: Averted; Giles wants to know if he has Eye Beams, but apparently the only power a Fyarl demon has is to sneeze large amounts of mucus. Paralyzing mucus that turns hard as concrete.
- NetHack lets the player wish for items if they find a means of getting said wish. The trick here is that the player can also wish for modifiers to said items. Some of the more popular wishes include: blessed greased + 2/+3 gray / silver dragon scale mail, 7 uncursed candles, cursed potions of gain level, and magic markers.
- Cursed with Awesome: He regards his current state as an acceptable trade-off for near-immortality. (He's a ghoul.)
- Brought Down to Normal: By the Observers as a punishment. He considers it a blessing.
- Cursed with Awesome:
- Edward's automail, Steampunk prosthetics which offer full mobility but presumably require constant maintenance. They give him an advantage in combat, as they are sturdy, disposable, transmutable and throw off opponents, but they are still prosthetics—meaning he had to lose his right arm and left leg to begin with—and a constant reminder of the price he and his brother paid for trying to resurrect the dead.
- Cursed with Awesome: Even Ed admits his automail has come in handy and saving his life on many occasions.
- Cursed with Awesome: The people who turned his body into a living conduit to The Elemental Plane of Fire meant it as an Ironic Hell. They definitely weren't expecting him to like it.
- A Threesome Is Hot: Subverted. We don't see it, but when Jimmy suggests this to Scott as a solution to his problem, it ends up ruining Scott's relationship with Sloane (although it does fix the original problem). Of course, this was the plan from the start, enabling Jimmy to sleep with Sloane in the aftermath. After they break up, Samara and others invoke the idea that we're supposed to feel sorry for him about this.
- Sin-Eaters, since the Geist in one's head is a pretty kickass alternative to what would happen if they didn't have one-namely, being dead.
- Cursed with Awesome: Frank gained the ability to communicate with the dead after a tragic accident that killed his wife and exploited it for profit as a "freelance exorcist."
- We could save a lot of time and simply say EVERYONE from Homestuck. The universe is not kind to these characters.
- Sollux and Aradia. Aside from being responsible for the software's creation, both are Cursed with Awesome Mad Oracles; Aradia hears voices and is a ghost after Sollux was mind-controlled into killing her during a flashback, and Sollux has serious self esteem issues.
- Cursed with Awesome: Murphy. He's immune to the virus. Being immune results in him mutating into a zombie-human hybrid. Zombies regard him as one of them and he doesn't seem to need food, rest or drink. However, being a half-zombie results in his skin going grey and wrinkly, weird black tumors growing all over him, his eyes changing color, and, as of the season finale, his skin shedding.
- Cursed with Awesome: Light decides that if he is "cursed" than he couldn't have asked for a nicer curse to have.
Badass Normal "It's important to note if they have strange or superhuman abilities, they are not normal. There is no "relatively" when it comes to Badass Normal. It doesn't matter if you can "barely" lift a tank, your ki blasts can "only" level cities, your Bio-Augmentation is standard issue, or your ability to alter the fabric of reality isn't as developed as others; you're a badass with superpowers." Pothole. Used as a synonym for general superpowers.
- Some comic book characters are gentle giants by necessity. Captain Britain is constantly aware that a slip-up could turn a handshake into a crushed hand.
- Cursed with Awesome: In-universe, of sorts: she's unable to understand Mio and Sachi's worries about fitting into nice clothes. They'd both rather dress cutely but don't have the figure for it, and it's bothersome to a girl with A-Cup Angst like hers. She immediately apologizes for making light of their insecurities after Sachi points out how people can be self-conscious about all sorts of things (like being tall...)
- Blessed with Suck/Cursed with Awesome: If a party member gets ill, their health drops to 1, which effectively makes them a One-Hit-Point Wonder. However, if you manage to keep them alive, they will heal back to full health regardless of how much health they had before getting ill.
- Edward Cullen often crosses the line into Supernatural Wangst, although Stephanie Meyer's somewhat idiosyncratic take on vampirism does not count as Cursed with Awesome.
- Cursed with Awesome: The Grilled Cheese Aspiration. You can rack up aspiration points really quickly by doing various very simple tasks involving grilled cheese sandwiches. With Free Time you can get a benefit that allows your Sim to conjure grilled cheese out of thin air, meaning you never have to worry about cooking again and you'll achieve the Lifetime Want (Eat 200 Grilled Cheese Sandwiches) in no time.
- I Just Want to Be Normal: Sims who don't have a knowledge aspiration react this way if you get them turned into a monster. Even a witch, which makes a Sim Cursed with Awesome and carries no harmful side effects whatsoever.
- Cursed with Awesome: In Black.
- Cursed with Awesome / Blessed with Suck: Like other Puella Magi.
Blessed with Suck
- Blessed with Suck: Juno, whose third eye lets her foresee everything before it happens. It can make life pretty boring. It can also make life pretty horrific, judging from the glimpses we get of her backstory.
- She does have temporal nearsightedness, though, so she can only see up to a certain point in the future. And she practically forces David to give her a job at the laundromat because it's the one place her powers don't work.
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid
- Super Power Lottery: She has 500 years of combat experience. What is she doing in a tournament for preteens?!
- Blessed with Suck: Although she isn't very fond of having her power since it caused her problems in the past.
- Blessed with Suck: The girl can see her future up to a point, but can't remember anything that happened to her in the past. It's said in the first part that she eventually moved away from her family because they kept on using her as a fortune-telling machine.
- Laser-Guided Amnesia: Part of the girl's Blessed with Suck package: she sees things when they haven't come to pass yet, but she forgets them as soon as they come to pass. This results in her losing all her memories of the mathemagician at the end when she uses up her foresight and begins remembering things normally, though it's implied that she does retain some subconscious memory of him.
- Cast from Lifespan: Using the Phoenix drains your life force. Shi Xing, being undead, doesn't really care...
- Blessed with Suck: His Super-Senses, which were so powerful that he suffered constant pain, his companions doubting his sanity due to his pleas for relief from light and sound that, to them, were harmless, and which ultimately drove him to commit suicide.
- Blessed with Suck: Most versions of Power Ring are essential enslaved by the ring, rather than using it for their own ends. Most Power Rings are still evil, just frustrated at their lost free will.
- Final Fantasy XIII-2 reveals that a small portion of ordinary humans (the protagonist Serah included) has suddenly gained magical powers in the aftermath of the Fall, when the majority of them migrated down to Gran Pulse. In Final Fantasy XIII, magic was restricted to the l'Cie servants of fal'Cie, and while Serah in particular was a l'Cie once, it is implied she has lost whatever meager powers she had upon de-crystallizing and gained them again the natural way, so to speak.
- After Gulcasa's demon blood is unsealed in Blaze Union, he goes from having a normal appetite for a teenage boy to going after everything edible. In hindsight, the use of this trope is actually rather depressing, as Gulcasa desperately needs the energy due to the general instability of his body and his flagrant abuse of his Dangerous Forbidden Technique. When having Gulcasa use edible items in-game, though, it just comes off as silly and cute—especially given what kinds of food make him go "Oh god, why did I just eat that?" and the way he still won't touch dairy with a ten-foot pole.
- A Certain Magical Index: Touma has the "Imagine Breaker", a right hand that can completely cancel any esper or magic power it touches. The suck comes in the fact that it also cancels his luck — turning him into a Cosmic Plaything — and leaves plenty of loopholes, like hitting any other part of his body or even cancelling out healing magic (though somewhat mitigated by a generous hospital and Healing Factor.
- Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura has a Technical to Magical spectrum. The more skills you learn of each, the more ineffective (and possibly dangerous) the other becomes for you to use or to use against you. (e.g. magic armor won't give benefits to engineers, and guns will blow up when used against mages). Characters with a high technological aptitude have this effect around magical items and have a high resistance to magic. Even the good kind.
Anime/Canaan
- Superpower Lottery: The kind of mutation a Borner gets, along with its strengths and drawbacks, seem to be entirely random. Hayatori in episode 2 has two hearts, granting him immense agility and premature aging, while his brother in episode 3 can contort and squeeze inside small spaces, though he's physically trapped in a child's body. Meanwhile Yunyun has been granted... two appendixes.
- The Pride of Life: A webcomic about a dog-like teenager named Kedamono, who, after eating a legendary fruit, transforms into a 'superbeast' and gains super powers. He quickly finds out that this isn't necessarily a good thing. Largely a comedy with fantasy elements.
- Blessed with Suck: Phineas is given the gift of making prophecies but has lost his eyesight. Derek Jacobi's version even has his eyes sewed shut.
- The Dresden Files has a condition called Cassandra's Tears, resulting in a person having somewhat reliable visions of the future, which no one believes. If someone does believe, the condition may be cured — but it's easily faked and a common confidence scam among the magical community. Which probably contributes to the fact that no one believes the predictions. More medically, genuine cases are also easy to mistake for garden-variety seizures, so people not in on The Masquerade, or people in on it but not suspecting the condition, could end up trying to medicate the wrong problem.
- Blessed with Suck: Thanks to "Kayleigh", no matter how hard they try to reinvent themselves, the Mainstream Media will always view them as a One-Hit Wonder from The '80s.
- Blessed with Suck: Yukio's mutant power allows her to foresee a person's death (including that of her own parents), but she can't do anything to prevent it from happening.
- Blessed with Suck: Arguably, Luxor. The scepter's magic made him intelligent and able to speak, but also forced him to become Tut's Extreme Doormat Beleaguered Assistant.
- Orem, in Hart's Hope by Orson Scott Card, is a "Sink"; he gets the full Blessed with Suck implications (Power Incontinence, et cetera) until he's properly trained in it, but afterwards he's able to negate the Big Bad's entire power-up ritual by duplicating it as she goes along.
- Cursed with Awesome: He wasn't too happy at first about becoming Freakazoid, but once he realized the opportunities (code: impressing girls) his attitude changed.
- Blessed with Suck: His sanity suffers big time for it, though.
- Blessed with Suck / Cursed with Awesome:
- Miroku. The Wind Tunnel in his right hand, a curse placed on his grandfather and passed down onto him, is basically a one-way dimensional gateway with the force of a minute black hole. Even the most powerful of demons seem to be unable to escape it if drawn inside — witness the spirit of Kaguya, an entity stated to be truly immortal, being banished forever by being drawn inside the Wind Tunnel. However, Miroku can only control it by wrapping his hand in certain special beads, and as Naraku created it, he has also created a counter for it: a rapidly-breeding wasp-like creature called Saimyosho contain a poison that will cause Miroku intense pain and eventually death if he draws them in. Oh, and the Wind Tunnel, even if not used, is slowly growing ever larger, until the day when it consumes Miroku and everything around him in a fair-sized Sphere of Destruction, just as it has already devoured his father and grandfather.
- Blessed with Suck: Dean is totally immune to the hunger-inducing powers of Famine, which seems pretty cool. Except that Famine points out it's due to the fact that Dean is so dead inside that no form of self-indulgence would fill the void.
- Blessed with Suck: All of the Ohmsford heirs, and Morgan as well. They have powerful magic that can help them slay Shadowen, sure. It also means that they're targets for every Shadowen out there, constantly have to be on the lookout in case they become addicted to it, and are in constant danger of passing out or mutating due to its overuse.
- Blessed with Suck: Downplayed: His Integrated Freezing abilities make him more powerful than ever but liquid tends to freeze around him, so he can't get drunk, and when he get's tossed into the water it freezes on him, and he has difficulty moving.
- Blessed with Suck: Incredible physical power, at the cost of being visibly monstrous looking and with a body so clumsy he can't really perform the scientific experiments he loves so much.
- Cursed with Awesome: To some extent. The curse of his people on him is extremely painful, but it's pretty useful for combat since his body can regenerate past it. His people have been Blessed with Suck in some way by having their curse removed, since it's apparently grown into their regenerative factor; removing the curse has also removed that.
The Legend of Korra - Avatar Korra
- Blessed with Suck: She manifested as the Avatar far younger than normal, so she got even less of a normal childhood than Aang. Something that repeatedly bites her in the ass in Season 1, as she commits faux pas after faux pas in Repbulic City. Then, in Season 3, we find out that the White Lotus didn't just sequester her in a Southern Water Tribe compound because they misinterpreted Aang's final request to protect the next Avatar: Korra's abnormally young Avatar status emboldened an anarchist offshoot of the White Lotus (The Red Lotus) to try and kidnap her, so they locked her away for her protection, not knowing how many more potential kidnappers there were. Add to that the implication that Korra's prodigy status left her so reliant on her physical abilities that her spiritual ones atrophied to the point where she couldn't even activate the Avatar state out of fear or anger, not Airbend, nor contact the spirit of Aang or the other Avatars. note
It can be Blessed with Suck if this means White Magic doesn't work on you either. No magical healing or protection in this case. If the world runs on Magic, this person may be a pariah, especially if it's a power that they can't control. Link. Seems to be used as a synonym for power with drawbacks.
- Rubber Man: The 2-D Man of the Terrific Trio in the episode "Heroes". His powers are nearly identical to that of Fantastic Four's Mr. Fantastic. Unfortunately, the Trio is Blessed with Suck, as their powers came at the cost of their decaying genetic structure. Eventually, they go psycho and do a Face–Heel Turn, forcing Batman to kill them. The 2-D Man is sucked into a high-powered fan and chopped into pieces.
- Blessed with Suck: Zalosts new soul makes him feel compassion for those he kills, Endas blessing can kill her, 807 needs to eat constantly or she will shut down, Ooze can't keep a solid form unless he's conscious of it, and too many noises can cloud Mods vision. Sucks to be them.
- This is a very dangerous ability to have in the Hell Teacher Nube world, as being able to see and hear ghosts means that you're Supernaturally Delicious and Nutritious - ones with Ghostly Goals won't stop bothering you until you help them, and the ones that are dangerous will come after you first.
- Chloe of the Darkest Powers series is a necromancer, and quite thoroughly Blessed with Suck. She can certainly see ghosts, and they can see her... but there is nothing to alert her to the fact that they're ghosts...
- Johnny B of the cult classic Misfits of Science. The ability to throw lightning and move at Flash-like speeds somewhat makes up for the fact that a drop of water will burn him like acid. How he doesn't die of dehydration was never addressed.
- Blessed with Suck: as a Rune Warrior, the Shadow Bearer owns the only weapon able to kill a Fial Darg. However, said weapon is slowly corrupting him and turning him into a Living Shadow. And there's nothing to prevent that.
- Cursed with Awesome: as a Shadow, the Shadow Bearer is basically an invisible eldritch Fial Darg-slaying assassin.
- Blessed with Suck: His prophetic ability made him miserable due to the knowledge of the future.
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King of the Hill- Blessed with Suck: One episode has Bobby having to take medication to focus in class better. On one hand, the medication ends up giving him Hyper-Awareness (bordering on Super-Senses). On the other hand, he ends up acting perpetually stoned out of his mind.
: Bobby: *sniff sniff* There some milk in the fridge that's about to go bad. *sniff sniff* And there it goes...
One Piece: Major Villains in the New World
- Blessed with Suck: Her Devil Fruit is pretty versatile, but it's unfortunate that it halted her aging process at ten forever. Especially since it seems that her mental development has gone on normally for the most part.
- Bishounen: Which garners the attention of many females. Given his orientation and dislike of women, this becomes Blessed with Suck.
- Blessed with Suck: As a psychometer, she can read people's darkest secrets and feelings, leading her to have a very cynical view of people and also leading many people to being afraid of touching her.
- Blessed with Suck: The group requires the same life-shortening drugs that Shinjiro takes. In fact, they're his dealers.
- Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds: A trio of this, all of them being artificially implanted with the powers of Persona by the Kirijo Group and forced to take drugs that shorten their lifespan in order to control their powers. The leader, Takaya, later embraces Nyx coming to destroy life, proclaiming that his fight against SEES is him fighting for his way of life.
Characters/Prototype
- Blessed with Suck: Seems to kill anything he touches. As a result, he is kept either in a sealed cell or a courtyard surrounded by snipers and barbed wire.
- Blessed with Suck: She was content with being just a changeling, until Maeve forced the mantle of the Summer Lady onto her by killing Lily.
- Blessed with Suck: As a "Quiet," she has the ability to communicate with the other sapient race on her homeworld, a talent very few possess. Unfortunately, Quiets have great difficulty with regular language skills (hence the name - as children, they don't speak). Her childhood was therefore difficult, and she was an outcast for much of it.
- Blessed with Suck: Miras Vara's spiritual awakening in Terok Nor may be for the good of Cardassia, but her new life is hardly a happy one, seeing as she has to give up her old identity and live on the run as an outlaw. Then there's her prophetic knowledge of her planet's future destruction, which she knows she is powerless to prevent. She sees it regularly in her dreams, and is haunted by the vision.
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Black And Gold- Barrier Maiden: This is what makes her responsible for the special humans and Godlings sheltered by the Institute.
- Blessed with Suck: Kira's condition is dehabilitating, but the "advice" of the voices allow her to see through trickery and deception, including the Love aura.
- This comes even more into play when the "voices" are revealed to be the manifestation of her suppressed memories trying to push through.
- Beta Couple: Hinted with Joey, one of L.J.'s cousins. Interestingly, while he has a crush on Kira (mainly because the aura of infatuation he radiates doesn't affect her due to her Blessed with Suck condition), Kira's "voices" tell her to stay away from him because of how manipulative L.J.'s cousins are. Kira thus treats Joey with indifference, and even goes out of her way to avoid him. But Joey, being the Anthropomorphic Personification of Love's rash and daring side, just doesn't get it, and still chases after her.
- Blessed with Suck: They have the ability to make girls infatuated with them, but they can't turn it off, so will probably never have a real relationship. Basically why Joey likes Kira.
- Blessed with Suck: Vorta only have a ridiculously limited sense of taste, a feature installed in their genes to remind them of their humble origins. They generally have no appreciation for art. Combine that with an intrinsic belief in the Founders as gods, bad eyesight, and zero sex life, and the Vorta might have been happier as monkeys.
Film/Scanners The drifter, Cameron Vale (Stephen Lack), is delivered into the custody of Dr. Paul Ruth (Patrick McGoohan of The Prisoner fame), who informs him that he is a scanner. A scanner is a person born with a derangement of their brain, giving them telepathy. They can 'scan' you. Unfortunately, this telepathy is very much of the Blessed with Suck variety: most scanners can hear your thoughts, and can't block them out. They get Psychic Nosebleeds. They can alter your bodily functions. A particularly powerful one, like Big Bad Darryl Revok (Michael Ironside) can blow up your head. Link.
- Anti-Hero: In the thought-provoking sense, rather than the Lovable Rogue sense. Sure, Cameron is a stone cold Bad Ass who can put his enemies into cardiac arrest without lifting a finger, but due to being Blessed with Suck, he's also just generally stone cold. He has no outside interests, no real motivation of his own, and not a whole lot of personality, being described by Kim as "barely even human." During his downtime, he simply sits in his hotel room, stares at the wall, and waits for the next plot point to happen. So yes, he's a Bad Ass, but not the sort of Bad Ass you would ever daydream about being. This makes sense, as the character was a downright Villain Protagonist in the original script. This motif of the protagonist-as-a-pawn was one that Cronenberg later returned to in Videodrome, where the manipulation is a good deal more explicitly sinister.
- Blessed with Suck: It's no fun being a Scanner, mostly because of all that Power Incontinence. Also, hearing the thoughts of everyone around you gets noisy and distracting.
- Blessed with Suck
- "Powers" have included spreading contagious diseases and other less-than-desirable abilities.
- Danny Farrell gained the ability to spread promicin to anyone who came in contact with him, thereby giving them abilities, which could be seen as awesome. However, due to the nature of promicin, there was a fifty percent chance that he would kill the person instead.
Literature/Palimpsest
- Blessed with Suck/Cursed with Awesome: Attitudes of people who have found Palimpsest vary. Some acknowledge that it has taken everything away from them, but believe it is worth the price. Others know that while it is supposed to be a marvel, they live in fear of it.
Fanfic/Redemption
- Blessed with Suck:
- Cardin, whose fear Semblance makes him lethal to his own team in a melee until he gets control over it; Sky, whose super senses make him a hilariously unfit partner for Dove, whose Semblance is basically sonic screaming, and Russel, who hates his Semblance so much he refuses to tell his teammates what it is for almost two semesters.
Research shows the character doesn't like the power (3)
StrikerS Sound Stage X- Blessed with Suck: Can create Mariages which are Cyborg Zombie Super Soldiers but cannot command them in any way.
Star Trek: The Next Generation S3E20 "Tin Man"
- Blessed with Suck: Tam's telepathy is extraordinary even by Betazoid standards. He can learn everything there is to know about a person simply by being near them, read the minds of people on other starships with ease and is constantly aware of everyone around him. Which is the part that sucks. He can't turn it off, and therefore has severe socialization issues and exhibits schizophrenia-like symptoms, except that the voices in his head are the actual thoughts of the people in his proximity.
- Blessed with Suck: Cloud's mako enhancements plus the Planet prevent him from starving to death as quickly as regular people he has to watch all of his friends and family starve, lose hope and die, living him the sole survivor.
- Blessed with Suck: Late in the game, you find out that you have a hereditary condition called Algernon's Syndrome, which gives you Super-Intelligence at the cost of occasional seizures and eventual synaptic degradation. This is also revealed to be the cause of your father's death. You can either have the degraded chunk of your brain cut out, removing your Super-Intelligence, leaving it alone but dying shortly after, or cutting it out and replacing it with a computer chip. The latter option keeps you alive and allows you to retain your intelligence, as well as allowing you to wireless interface with technology, but at the cost of your humanity. If you have children, you can also choose to have them tested for the disease. You can get yourself tested for it after it kills your Father (though the condition has no name at that point), but there's nothing you can do to avoid falling victim to it's detrimental effects later on, nor do you even learn conclusively if you have it or not until your first stroke.
- Cursed with Awesome: You can decide that the condition under the Blessed with Suck entry falls under this instead.
Dragon Age: Origins – Playable Characters – The Warden
- Blessed with Suck/Cursed with Awesome: Congratulations! You've been selected as a Grey Warden recruit — the highest honor to which you could ever aspire! It means any birthright or title you had is now forfeit. But wait, you have yet to become a Grey Warden - first you have to drink darkspawn blood, which will often kill you right away. If it doesn't, congratulations on becoming a Grey Warden! You can now sense the darkspawn and destroy archdemons at the low cost of obliterating your soul if you try the latter. Of course, they can sense you just as easily as you sense them. Oh, and you have about thirty years to live until the taint starts turning you into a darkspawn, at which point the Grey Warden instruction troubleshooting manual tells you to go on a suicide run against the darkspawn hordes. Oh, and good luck ever having children, especially if the other parent is also a Grey Warden.
- Blessed with Suck: Normally Pinkie's stream-of-consciousness rambling is either endearing or annoying. Now it's driving her to pieces because her imagination runs wild when her daughter is missing.
- Variation on Pushing Daisies: Due to Ned being Blessed with Suck, when his love interest trips right in front of him he has to step out of the way to avoid touching her, leaving room for someone else to swoop in and be the hero. He gets the girl anyway, but not before he nurses his inferiority complex for a while.
- All of the Other Reindeer: Tsugumi was constantly shunned by friends and family because of her powers before coming to Daeva.
- Blessed with Suck: Tsugumi can create explosions when her pulse reaches its peak, and has probably the strongest raw power of all the Element Users; unfortunately, she's really bad at controlling her emotions, so whenever she gets excited or anxious things around her tend to go KABOOM. It's heavily implied that because of this she was shunned by her family and friends.
- Reika's powers are based on bad luck.
- Blessed with Suck / Cursed with Awesome:
- Inu Yasha's youkai form. Insanely high levels of strength and speed, a much improved healing factor, enough youki to make even Sesshoumaru feel one, brief moment of fear and have a youketsu capable of holding the evil spirit of the Shikon no Tama immobile against its will and decay a frggin' portal to hell when its sliced by the Dragon-Scale Tessaiga. Of course, there's the little matter of him being a bloodthirsty monster that has barely any of Inu Yasha's restraint, and each time it gets even less controllable and less intelligent. Of course, he does get to occasionally take advantage of it and Tessaiga at the same time, whenever someone starts stealing some of Tessaiga's forms, or he boosts Tessaiga with purified Shikon shards.
- Blessed with Suck: Possibly more so than anyone. If not for his Photographic Memory, he would have never known about the Rider war. He even stated himself that it causes him problems. He was right.
Light & Darkness: Heroes of Calradia
- Blessed with Suck: The Sunflower Scroll (see the No Fair Cheating entry above). It gives the maximum amount of Strenght and Dexterity, but drops Charisma to 0. Then the player character becomes an extremely powerful fighter who can only be followed by a very small army. In a game focussed on massive battles, it is not very useful.
- Blessed with Suck: Big time. Imagine you're able to see the future, but it's mainly continual flashes of people having being horrifically murdered. Now imagine you've been doing this your entire life. Basically, your head has been filled with virtually nothing but sheer Nightmare Fuel... and as long as the government can still rely on your predictions, it's never going to stop.
- Blessed with Suck: Overlapping with Leaning on the Fourth Wall Wanda mentions that being an A-Lister is fine at first, but when the novelty wears off you're forced to go through a lot of stupid stuff in order to stay relevant.
- Blessed with Suck:
- Russel's Semblance is revealed to be healing through absorbing and then suppressing injuries. He has a lot of issues with it because his parents, who were Hunters, and his grandmother, who was old, all died before it manifested, then Violet, who he could have saved if she hadn't set it up otherwise, killed herself in such a way as to make sure he couldn't help her. He tells his teammates that his Semblance is simply absorbing injuries and that he doesn't actually suffer from them; unfortunately, by that point they know him well enough to know he's lying through his teeth. Surprisingly, they see that as very positive because it means he's not suicidal.
- Blessed with Suck: Either that or Cursed with Awesome. His super power is being unable to die, and people don't remember that he died. He does, however, and when Kyle remarks that being immortal would be cool, Kenny snaps that it's not cool, because he remembers every single one of his deaths.
- Blessed with Suck: While the Sight is often seen as an extraordinary gift, Larka is shown throughout the book to resent it half the time, especially when she can't hunt without feeling her prey's pain as she kills it.
The Spectacular Spider-Man S2E11 "Subtext"
- Blessed with Suck: Mark's Molten Man powers, once he realizes that they don't activate on HIS will, but that of the Goblin's.
- Blessed with Suck: In episode 21 of the anime, he tells Hyobu he was constantly being ignored, such as being skipped over for attendance in class, which he exploits by taking pictures of Babel employees without their knowledge. He then says he has to practically punch someone in the face before they'll even notice him, which also comes back to bite him when Kaoru nearly walks over him while he's spying on Oboro Kashiwagi.
- Blessed with Suck is in fact about Rogue (along with others), but not in that way.
- It is not about Kirby — or even Kirby.
- It is not about God giving a vacuum cleaner greater power.
- Or when BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!... uh, no.
- Dangerous Lunatics, a furry original story by Alex Reynard, features such an agency with a really insidious approach: Convince the world that the supers are crazy, get the supers while they're still young, and put them in institutions to warehouse the supers out of sight until they can be quietly disposed of. The approach works because the supers in the story often have other problems, i.e. an immortal with a Healing Factor discovers the ability through repeated suicide attempts, another constantly wakes up from nightmares, one with extreme durability uses his power by constantly getting into fights, etc. Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck apply here.
- Me (Deadpool) being crazy awesome was key in defeating the Taskmaster in hand-to-hand combat.
- And then there was that time I sabotaged a Skrull installation and slaughter ensued. That whole Clone Degeneration, With Great Power Comes Great Insanity, Blessed with Suck, and Driven to Madness, all in a no-survivors gambit, wasn't really necessary or required by the mission, but by golly it was fun!
- Blessed with Suck: Her pacifist vows have made her a Badass Pacifist.
- Hourglass Plot: Their attitudes don't shift much, but Nono goes from minor curiosity allowed to tag along with Fraternity to humanity's one hope for survival as Lal'C goes from being the most elite of the elite to a girl with a disease.
- One thing that stays consistent is Nono's Pinocchio Syndrome, but the reasons behind it change. At first she's Cursed with Awesome as being an advanced, durable android has the drawback of not letting her become a Topless. Later, she is Blessed with Suck as she makes the Topless obsolete, is looked at with jealousy and spite, and her responsibilities of protecting humanity drives other schisms between them. Whether it is inaccessible or she is flung far beyond it, she doesn't get to aim for the top like her idol.
- Dawn Star from Jade Empire. Considering the dead do not rest easily across the Empire, because the Water Dragon, keeper of the gates to the Underworld, has been imprisoned and all but one of her worshipers slaughtered, it is a massive case of Blessed with Suck for her.
Who Names Their Kid "Dude"? May induce a sense of being Cursed with Awesome or Blessed with Suck — let alone a whole bunch of problems if you've been saddled with a name to run away from really fast and it's not by your own choice. Even a name to trust immediately can lead to schoolyard jokes. Link.
- Badass Normal: In the first generation and most of second generation. That is until he gets his Blessed with Suck McGuffin.
edited 19th Dec '16 4:23:21 PM by ObsidianFire
Moved all the detailed Description Analysis here.
Cursed with Awesome
This "a character thinks their power is a curse, but the audience thinks it's awesome" definition matches up well with the "Audience/other characters think the power is awesome" examples. It also explains why most of the examples use this definition.
Vampire protagonists are always Cursed With Awesome.
The 2nd most used definition of Cursed with Awesome follows the Power With Downsides trope to a "T". "Downsides" is also used very broadly as it can refer to everything from how the character got the power to annoyances the character has with it.
This "cursed with what the character thinks is an awesome power" definition is the 3nd most used definition of Cursed with Awesome in the wickcheck by a few examples.
The definition of Unishment is that it is specifically a punishment the character likes, not a catch all-term for a "curse" the character likes. This was actually the definition of Unishment at the time it was added to the definition of Cursed With A Wesome. This is also the first time the "cursed with what the character thinks is an awesome power" definition is actually written into the description of Cursed with Awesome. The wick check indicates that Unishment is not considered to be a contrasting trope of Cursed With A Wesome now, but a sub-trope.
The definition for Blessed with Suck was added long after Blessed with Suck was said to be an inverse of Cursed with Awesome. The first available version of Cursed with Awesome does list Blessed with Suck as the inverse of Blessed with Suck, but no definition of Blessed with Suck is given. The definition of Blessed with Suck was added late enough for it to turn up in the edit history, in early June 2013 to be exact and no edit reason was given. This actually does partially mesh with the earlier definition of Blessed with Suck, but Blessed with Suck became identified with any sucky power regardless of why the power is sucky as far back as 2010.
The choice of saying Cursed with Awesome may result in Living Forever Is Awesome is interesting. Going from the description of Cursed with Awesome, I would have thought it would result in Who Wants to Live Forever? instead. Living Forever Is Awesome was also added long before Unishment was, so apparently people have been confused about what Cursed with Awesome was about for a long time. Which is more evidence of a confusing title.
Blessed with Suck
- In other, more extreme cases, your power is actually too dangerous to use. See also I'm Having Soul Pains.
- Sometimes your power sounds really, really cool at first, but it turns out to have a lousy limitation or weakness, control problem, lacks the Required Secondary Powers, or (in the worst cases) has very dangerous side-effects.
And this is where the Power With Disadvantages definition came from and why so many examples use this as the definition. In effect, the original definition of Blessed with Suck was probably "power that's supposed to be awesome sucks because of outside circumstances". However, the Power With Disavantages definition is much broader then the original definition of Blessed with Suck originally was.
Essentially, this is what broadened Blessed Withh Suck to apply to powers that sucked because they were sucky powers inherently and not just because circumstances made a power that could be awesome sucky. AKA the "someone/thing blessed (literally or figuratively) with something that sucks" definition.
May be caused by a Literal Genie. May also result in With Great Power Comes Great Insanity either as part of the blessing or a result of its psychological effects.
Opposite side of the same coin from Cursed with Awesome, in which a "curse" actually is cool and helps the character, even if they refuse to believe it and just want to be normal. If the "blessing" is somehow removed via Aesop learning, then the Curse Is Foiled Again. If a character is given a lame power but manages to use it to great effect, you've found that Heart Is an Awesome Power.
This is Older Than Feudalism, and it's a perfect way to teach the Aesop of Be Careful What You Wish For.
The most interesting thing, is the definition of Cursed with Awesome, which was seen as the inverse of Blessed with Suck as far back as records of the page exists. It also gives wiggle room for the person Cursed with Awesome to actually see their power as awesome instead of as a curse. So I'm thinking that the idea of Cursed with Awesome being stemmed from Blessed with Suck. The other theory is that Cursed with Awesome was seen as applying to characters that thought their power was awesome as soon as it was created.
Compare/contrast with Awesome, but Impractical (which it is often mistaken for by the looks of most of the tropes), Super Loser, Super Zeroes, Power Incontinence, Bad Powers, Bad People. See also Curse. Contrast a Curse That Cures, when a Curse cures a character of an illness or disease they already had.
edited 14th Dec '16 4:55:06 PM by ObsidianFire
Well, that's just natural human language for you. Cursed with Awesome can be read as "character thinks awesome powers (his own, or someone else's) are a curse" or "character is given awesome powers as a curse." The second meaning flows naturally from the first, the person/entity doing the cursing is the one who thinks the powers are a curse. Either way, there's someone who thinks the powers are a curse.
And "awesome" is only YMMV if taken unnecessarily literally. Your average superpowers can quite objectively be classified as hugely beneficial, no audience reaction necessary.
Can we not cut the Power at a Price examples and broaden the trope to include both the "Audience thinks power is awesome despite it being a curse" and "Character thinks power is awesome despite it stemming from something negative"? Tropes Are Flexible, after all.
Oissu!A link to the previous thread would seem illuminatory here.
There are a LOT of angles to be covered here and for Blessed with Suck. If I would try to simplify it, it'd be like this: "X with Y" where X is either "cursed" or "blessed" and Y is either "awesome" or "suck".
X:
- Does the character himself see it as a blessing or a curse?
- If it's bestowed by someone else, does that someone else see it as a blessing or a curse?
- Does anybody else see it as a blessing or a curse?
- Do the audience see it as a blessing or a curse?
Y:
- Does the thing hinder the subject ("suck"), or does it help him ("awesome")?
- Does the awesome mitigate the curse? Does the suck undermine the blessing?
Now, which are we gonna cover?
We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.Totally forgot about that thread. Yeah, it looks like everything mentioned there applies here.
The big thing for me is if Blessed With Suck is YMMV or In-Universe or neither. Answering that question would determine a lot of things in this post. I kinda feel like it shouldn't be YMMV though as there's always an audience member somewhere who thinks a given power is cool/sucky regardless of how the narrative treats it.
This argument is not mine (I read it somewhere else): Someone is "cursed" if someone gained the thing in a negative way (the narrative played it as negative, and if it's from another person, said person meant it as a curse), and someone is "blessed" if that someone gained the thing in a positive way.
It's a good start, I think.
We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.- up
- This is how I read the "cursed" and "blessed" parts of the trope names, but it's just as easy to read those as describing the "awesome" or "suck".
Discussion bump.
That's half of it, since I think y'all are talking abiut the way I broke it down in the earlier thread. And both parts work parallel:
Regarding "are they Blessed or Cursed"
A) If the power or whatever was bestowed by another entity, did that entity mean it to be a good thing, or do it out of good will; or did they mean it as a bad thing or do it from ill-will?
B) If there is no bestowing entity, whether it's a blessing or a curse is how the character who has it regards it.:
C) If there's no "bestowing entity", if the character is ambivalent or inconsistent in how they feel about it, it's not an example of this trope, or it's both of them depending on the specific example listed.
Regarding "Is it Suck or Awesome":
a) How does the character themselves feel about it? Do they like it or hate it? or do they not seem to care either way, or change their minds depending on what is happening?
B) If the character is ambivalent, inconsistent, or never indicates either way how they feel about it, how do the other characters regard it? "I wish I could do that!" or "Man, I'm glad I'm not you!"?
C) If none of the other characters give any indication either way, use contextual clues to determine which way the creator preferred it be viewed. (I doubt that we'll have very many examples that get to this stage.)
edited 20th Nov '16 2:18:18 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.If we additionally make it In Universe Only, we dodge the fan reaction bullet. It doesn't matter what the fans think.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.I'm all for making it In-Universe. It would keep this trope more objective and clean up the misuse imo. Plus, the fan reaction entries really are just Audience Reactions and we already have tropes those can go under.
The reaction ones might be better to be under something like Fridge Awesome. The work or character presents it as bad but Fridge Logic postulates it really isn't or shouldn't be.
Most of the fan reactions I see are more that than anything.
@14 seems like a good clarification, but it has the characters' feelings on the matter on both sides of the equation. Shouldn't it have objective benefit/lack thereof as the "awesome/suck" factor?
EDIT: Oh, and I agree with the in-universe thing.
edited 21st Nov '16 2:36:59 PM by DiamondWeapon
"Shouldn't it have objective benefit/lack thereof as the "awesome/suck" factor?"
Who would be deciding on the "objective benefit/lack thereof"? Currently it's the audience doing that. The narrative tone doesn't really work as the audience can interpret tone differently and in some mediums (comic books especially) the narrative tone varies a lot, but the character's feelings don't. If you want a trope as opposed to a YMMV entry then you need a standard that doesn't rely on interpretation of a work, but what's in the work itself.
And another vote form making both Blessed with Suck and Cursed with Awesome In-Universe.
While I can see how Fridge Awesome would work, it almost seems To Common To Trope. It also seems more like a subtrope of Character Audience Dissonance, specifically one to do with superhuman abilities. It only really crops up when a character thinks that the power is sucky (of the overall effect of having it is sucky) and the audience thinks it's awesome, which is what most of the Cursed with Awesome examples are anyway.
I disagree with making it In-Universe only. Most of the trope is about fans disagreeing with a character's perception of their power.
Blessed with Suck can be either when a character is bestowed a power, but the disadvantages either outweigh the benefits or there are no benefits at all. The intent is that the power is a good thing though, that's what the trope is about. Cursed with Awesome is the reverse, either the bestowed power was bad or the character angsts about the power, but fans see it as a positive thing because either the benefits outweigh the disadvantages or it's plain awesome.
I could support both tropes becoming YMMV, but the trope is primarily about fan reactions.
Oissu!It doesn't have to be though; it's a valid technique and tool in writing to convey more information than just the bare words do. And we aren't primarily concerned with cataloguing fan reactions. Given the choice between spending our resources and effort on a trope or on a fan reaction, I'll go with "the trope" every time.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.I think the "awesome/suck" can be measured objectively too by seeing how said thing either help or hinder him, like I said above.
We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love."Who would be deciding on the "objective benefit/lack thereof"?"
Objective as in not up for interpretation. If the powers or effects in question are shown on screen to be in fact useful/not useful, it doesn't require anyone's subjective decision.
""awesome/suck" can be measured objectively too by seeing how said thing either help or hinder him,"
"If the powers or effects in question are shown on screen to be in fact useful/not useful, it doesn't require anyone's subjective decision."
The problem is that pretty much all the powers mentioned on both tropes are presented by the narrative as being both useful and not useful, aka Power at a Price or Power With Drawbacks. What Blessed with Suck and Cursed with Awesome are about isn't the power itself but a reaction to having the power, specifically the character who has it.
Not the reaction by itself. A contrast of the reaction with the physical reality of it. A good power the character(s) see as a curse, or a lousy power they see as a blessing.
I went with Unclear Description for Cursed with Awesome because that's what started this whole thing off. It could just have easily gone under Unclear Description, Misused, Ambiguous Name and Trope Decay. It also grew to include Blessed with Suck as that has the same problems Cursed with Awesome does. Sorry about the novel it turned into...
I was prompted to investigate both tropes when I really read the definition of Cursed with Awesome and literally had no idea what trope was actually being described. It sounded like there were several tropes being described all on the same page and overlapping with each other. This led me to go on a long wickcheck for Cursed with Awesome and then Blessed with Suck when it became apparent that other tropers couldn't' tell the difference between the two.
Among other things, the wickcheck for both tropes revealed that tropers were using the tropes for very similar examples and in nearly twenty percent of the examples were using both of them at the same time. As Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck are presented nearly everywhere on TV Tropes as being the inverse of each other, this indicated that both tropes had major problems with their definitions.
This lead to me tracing the development of both both tropes in the Wayback Machine to see what the tropes were actually meant to be when they were first made and to see if that shed any light on what tropes were actually be described as well as how they could be fixed.
Both trope definitions with commentary and the result wickchecks are below. The full analysis is in seperate posts below as they got long.
Cursed with Awesome
This trope has fewer wicks then Blessed with Suck does, but I'm starting here because it's definition is much wider in scope then Blessed with Suck is.
Perhaps the biggest problem with Cursed with Awesome is the trope name itself; it's too ambiguous. There are so many things that can be considered curses (literal and figurative ones) and there are so many things that can be considered awesome. It's impossible to know what's being referred to simply by reading the trope title.
A strict grammatical reading of the title leads to "someone/thing cursed (literally or figuratively) with something that's awesome". However, the description is about as muddied with meaning as the title is. Because I couldn't understand what was meant by Cursed with Awesome from a quick read of the description, I did the Wickcheck first to see if that would shed some light on how other people used the trope around the wiki.
Cursed with Awesome Wickcheck and Analysis
At the time I did the wickcheck, Cursed with Awesome was linked to on around 2300 pages. I took a random sampling of 55 pages and because I wanted to see how Cursed with Awesome was used around the wiki, I didn't make a difference between examples and potholes/links. I did take a look at the work and character pages when potholes and links did occur to do some research on why Cursed with Awesome was being linked too. The results were interesting...
Number of wicks/examples:58 (some pages had multiple uses/definitions)
Audience/other characters think the power is awesome (22 examples, 38% of use)
The most common use of Cursed with Awesome is of the audience (tropers) and other characters thinking that a character's power is awesome. I searched the rest of the wiki to see what the characters who actually had the power thought about their power and it turned out that 11 examples were about a character that didn't like their power, a little over 6 of them featured characters that I couldn't find out from the wiki what they thought about their powers, 4 examples were about multiple characters (different opinions) and only 1 example was about a character who liked their power. By nature, nearly all the examples under this definition are YMMV.
Power With Disadvantages (15 examples, 26% of use)
The second most common use is when the power has both disadvantages to it, but the power itself isn't completely bad. Whoever decides the power is awesome and the disadvantages are bad, as well as what those disadvantages are, ranges from the audience to the character with the power. Essentially, these would all be examples for the Power at a Price index. Given that a lot of the examples depend on the audience's interpretation of what is considered a disadvantage, most of the examples are YMMV.
Character likes the power and got it in a negative way (definition suggested by trope title) (11 examples, 19% of use)
In addition to being the most literal interpretation of the trope title, this was the definition most often used by examples that were about what the character thought about their own power. While there were other combinations of what the character thought about the power vs. how they got it. This was by far the largest combination. As this definition depends only on what characters in the work think, this is an actual trope.
Non-examples (7 examples) (12% of use)/ZCE (3 examples) (5% of use)
Examples where there wasn't enough information to know how what was being described fit the trope and a few ZCE. It doesn't seem t o be that bad for a trope with this many wicks.
Something else I noticed was that a significant number of wicks linked the same example to both Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck. This amounted to 11 examples or 19% of use. Given that Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck are suppose to be inverse tropes of each other, this is a pretty good indicator that both tropes are in need of work. Ultimately, this lead me to do a wickcheck/analysis of Blessed with Suck as well.
Cursed with Awesome Description And Analysis
Now that I had at least some idea of what everyone else was seeing when they saw this trope, I took an in-depth look at the actual trope description. Specifically, I made use of the Wayback Machine to see if the way Cursed with Awesome developed explained why it had the useage it does.
Long story short, there appears to be three tropes in the definition of Cursed with Awesome and the wickcheck corroborates this.
The oldest definition (and the one with the most examples) is easiest defined as "a character thinks their power is a curse, but the audience (and often other characters) think it's awesome". The emphasis is on the contrast between what the character thinks about the power vs what the audience thinks about the power. Because this directly involves the audience, it's an Audience Reactions and therefore YMMV.
The second definition can be defined as "power with a disadvantage". Where it's the power that is awesome and it's the disadvantages that are the curse. Examples from the wickcheck reveal that nearly anything can be considered a disadvantage, from the way the power was gotten, to the power itself to side effects of using the power. The impact of the disadvantages can also range from minor annoyances to major problems. It should be noted that a lot of the examples in the other two definitions could qualify for this definition. This is simply all the examples that weren't one of the other two. This is probably YMMV as well.
The third definition is the "someone/thing cursed (literally or figuratively) with something that's awesome" definition. Given how little this definition is actually referred to in the actual trope definition, this is almost certainly a result of a literal reading of the trope title. This is also not YMMV as it doesn't require any judgment calls on the side of the audience.
Blessed with Suck
I decided to take a look at this trope when I found out that nearly a fifth of the examples in the Cursed with Awesome wickcheck said that the same power was an example of both Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck.
A quick look at the definition page of Blessed with Suck revealed a much less confusing trope them Cursed with Awesome did. Sure, it suffered a tad from having a bit too much Example As Thesis and parts of it are in 2nd person, but it was still obvious what the trope was and there was one main definition tying everything together: "a character is given a special ability that seems to cause nothing but trouble". The description even follows the grammatical meaning of the trope title pretty well: "someone/thing blessed (literally or figuratively) with something that sucks".
The concise definition of Blessed with Suck lead me to hope that the wickcheck would show examples that stayed closer to the trope definition then Cursed with Awesome examples do. But no... they definitely didn't.
Blessed with Suck Wickcheck And Analysis
At the time I did the wickcheck, Blessed with Suck was linked to on around 3600 pages. I took a random sampling of 65 pages and conducted the wickcheck in the same manner as the Cursed with Awesome wickcheck.
Number of wicks/examples: 73 (some pages had multiple uses/definitions)
Power With Disadvantages (33 examples, 45% of use)
This seemed like the inverse of the "a character thinks their power is a curse, but the audience thinks it's awesome" definition of Cursed with Awesome at first, but further research into what the characters thought of their power revealed that none of the examples were about characters who thought their power didn't suck. Any examples that looked like they were going to be about characters who thought that also ended up being mostly about the downsides of that power which put them under the Power With Disadvantages category. As for the examples that are actually found in here, 3 of them are about characters who don't like their powers, 6 examples are about multiple characters (differing opinions) and in 8 examples it couldn't be determined what the characters thought about their powers. Some of these examples could be written to not be YMMV, but some definitely are.
Character doesn't like the power and got it in a positive/neutral way (definition suggested by trope title) (15 examples, 21% of use)
Here's the examples that actually agree with the trope definition. And it's a fifth of the examples in the wickcheck. I find that depressing.
Non-examples (7 examples, 11% of use)
Examples where there wasn't enough information to know how what was being described fit the trope and a few ZCE. It doesn't seem t o be that bad for a trope with this many wicks.
The percentage of examples that linked to both Blessed with Suck and Cursed with Awesome was nearly identical to the Cursed with Awesome wickcheck: 18% or 13 examples. Given that none of the examples were the same across wickchecks, I'm pretty sure that this isn't an exaggeration.
Blessed with Suck Description
Just to see if something was hiding in the Blessed with Suck definition that would lead to all the misuse, I researched it the same way I did the Cursed with Awesome one.
When it was first created, the original definition of Blessed with Suck was very narrow. It was specifically, "a power that's supposed to be awesome sucks because of outside circumstances". This seems to be where all the Power With Drawbacks examples come from. The problem now being that those examples now refer to any drawback even those that have to do with the power itself and not the circumstances the character is in. Also, there's no mention of who (audience vs character) gets to decide on if the circumstance make the power sucky, which makes me think the original definition of Blessed with Suck is inherently YMMV.
In order for the "someone/thing blessed (literally or figuratively) with something that sucks" definition to become valid, several key phrases had to be changed/added. However, since those changes were made, the definition has been very stable and has barely changed in meaning at all. This also is a definite trope instead of being YMMV.
The one definition I can't find anywhere is the "Audience/other characters think the power sucks" definition. I mean, Blessed with Suck is like not like Cursed with Awesome where the contrast between what the character think and the audience thinks is part of the trope definition. I guess those examples are just places where tropers don't put down what the characters think of their power? On the other hand, the original trope didn't call for what the character thinks...
Conclusion (TLDR)
It seems to me that this is a case of two old tropes showing their age. Both of these date back to 2007 and suffer from having unclear names for legitimate trope definitions. Because of their ambiguous names, they've undergone trope decay to the point that a significant number of examples think they mean roughly the same thing even though they're supposed to be each other's inverse. This has covered up a huge case of Missing Supertrope Syndrome. On the bright side, they've still got salvageable definitions are really the inverse of each other. This is a good thing given the large number of wicks and inbounds both tropes have.I think we need is a YMMV version of the Power ATA Price index (Power With Drawbacks maybe?). This would at least serve as someplace to send all the examples that don't fit either the "a character thinks their power is a curse, but the audience thinks it's awesome" definition or the definitions that are a literal reading of the trope titles. It also seems like there's enough examples to warrant an Audience Reaction trope with the definition of "a character thinks their power is a curse, but the audience thinks it's awesome". As far as Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck themselves go, I think they should stick with the "cursed with a power the character thinks is awesome" and "blessed with a power the character thinks sucks" definitions. They're by far the easiest definitions to extrapolate from the meaning of the trope titles and a significant portion of the examples follow those definitions anyway. It's also the easiest way to not rename them as there's to many wicks to justify a rename.
Another way to fix the tropes that wouldn't require as much work on the part of the TRS would be to make both Cursed with Awesome and Blessed with Suck YMMV and leave it at that. As they're currently used, the tropes rely more on the audience's interpretations of what is awesome or what sucks then it does on what the work says the characters think is awesome or what sucks.
Whatever option is picked though, something needs to be done. Both of these tropes are well-known around the wiki and the longer they are undressed the harder they'll be to fix in the future.
Edit: Moved detailed Wickcheck and Description Analysis to their own posts: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1455601362019488200&page=1#5, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1455601362019488200&page=1#6
edited 6th Nov '16 7:46:24 PM by ObsidianFire