Wild Mass Guessing outside of tvtropes.org
There is a huge amount of Wild Mass Guessing occurring in the Star Wars fandom, with entire websites and communities dedicated to it. Indeed, it seems to be the favorite hobby of the fandom. To list all of the WMG's proposed since A New Hope on this page would simply be impractical. The Star Wars Technical Commentaries


Another great Star Wars WMG site was Robert Brown's "B^2's Star Wars Site" (best known for its examination of the Millennium Falcon and Jedi practices) but unfortunately it was taken down just prior to the release of Episode II. Archives from the site do appear on the net from time to time, however. Fortunately, that's why we have the Way Back Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/* /http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/
Deck plans which contributed significantly to the site can also be found here: http://deckplans.00sf.com/
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General franchise theories
What does the Death Star do? It blows up planets. Why? To intimidate the people and force people to be obedient. Its purpose is to change the minds people (such as the rebels) so that they obey the Empire out of fear. Obi Wan can affect the minds of people too... with a wave of his hands. The Death Star failed as a method of controlling the populace as it just made the rebels angry and fight harder. Obi Wan succeeded in mind controlling two guards. The Death Star needs an army of people, is the size of a moon and needs a huge power core to make it go, whilst those two guards were affected by the power of one Jedi Knight (who didn't look like he was putting particularly much effort into it, he just waved his hand causally). In this way the Force might actually be more powerful than the Death Star as it is more efficient method of controlling people. Imagine if the empire had put an equivalent amount of resources into a Force based mind control weapon, they might have been able to seriously undermine the free will of the rebel alliance. Matti 23
- Except that, in Obi-Wan's own words: "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded." It does not seem to be anywhere near as effective against the strong-willed, which is why Jedi have to chase criminals like Zam Wesell or Jango Fett rather than simply commanding them to stop running/fighting and surrender. Likewise, Palpatine's ability to directly control others also appeared to have limits. Hence the decades it took for him to bring his Evil Plan to fruition. While he might have been able to sway the occasional key person here and there, overall he had to rely on more tangible means of manipulation in order to get people to do what he wanted. Indeed, the notion of a Force-based mind control weapon is disproved largely by the fact that Palpatine would have very much preferred to be able to rely on his own Force powers to control the galaxy without having to keep his massive military in line. The Death Stars are proof that not even he had idea how such a weapon might be created!
- There is clearly at least one sense in which the Force is definitely more powerful than the Death Star: Luke used the Force to make the otherwise impossible shot on the exhaust port. The Force, then, destroyed the Death Star and, ergo, is more powerful.
- Darth Vader would certainly agree with you."Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
- ... what.
- well, it seems Everyone Is Satan in Hell.
- The light side and the dark side are both viable options for a good Force-user. The dark side encompasses more aggressive techniques, like Force Lightning and Choke, and uses strong emotions as fuel, while the light side involves more healing powers and operates based on compassion. The basic telekinesis is a neutral power.
- After the Seventh Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi gave up using the dark side, because they decided that it, and emotions, led to evil. The Sith use mainly the dark side because they're all attack, all the time.
- What the Jedi frequently call the dark side is actually just evil, and that is what the cancer on the Force is, as exhibited by crazy!Son. The dark side in and of itself is not this, and so balance can be achieved despite its existence.
- This is also why people like Plo Koon and Luke can use Force Lightning-ish powers. It's just that the dark side has more of a connection to evil, and so is risky to use. Mace Windu's Vaapad techniques are a good example of "good" Force-users using the dark side. Sora Bulq and company are a good example of what happens if you aren't careful.
- However, Jedi, at least if they don't suspect, are very vulnerable to slugthrowers because due to the progression of technology they dismiss this as obsoltete and "uncivilised" (in Obi Wan's words), which means they would not expect when they are used against them, which is why conventional firearms are popular weapons for Jedi-killing bounty hunters.
- Also, Jedi can be overwhelmed by sheer force of numbers, as seen in both Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Additionally, anyone with the proper training can wield a lightsaber. It's just that being force sensitive makes the training much safer.
- CONFIRMED in The Force Awakens where Kylo Ren stops a blaster shot in mid-air using the Force.
- Alternatively, there was a Third Force Path following the Light, and when the Third Path fell, the Jedi shifted to become closer to the Light side. Even though they have since forgotten it, the Jedi are supposed to be using Dark Side, Neutral, and Light Side techniques. Instead, they use only neutral techniques and the occasionally remembered Light Side technique.
- Also, many stories have heroes embrace their positive emotions, while villain are evil because they are driven only by logic.
- Admittedly, this makes it a bit harder to explain Dark Side ghosts, which cannot be a projection of a Jedi (since these usually attack the Jedi), nor can they be inherent in the Force itself (since The Force Is Just A Tool). Note, however, that these only appear in the Expanded Universe; possibly, as creations of the Literary Agent.
- It could that those perverted by the Dark Side are denied entry to the afterlife, or oblivion, and are "damned" to haunt the galaxy for eternity.
- Actually, they go to hell: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hell
- Actually, they go to hell: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hell
- It's also possible that they're projections of the literal dark side of a Jedi's nature; the death wish, the self-destructive impulse, given form.
- It could that those perverted by the Dark Side are denied entry to the afterlife, or oblivion, and are "damned" to haunt the galaxy for eternity.
- Alternatively, the "force ghosts" are the sentient Force using the dead person's memories to synthesize a personality and image that the living Jedi will be comfortable with. Luke preferred to see a happy (though inaccurate) version of his father at Episode 3 age, and Old Ben Kenobi and Yoda, while the Jedi themselves are Dead for Real. Thus a possible explanation for why "immortality via Jedi ghosting" isn't actually less ethical than "immortality through living forever."
- So why do Ben's and Yoda's ghosts argue with each other?
- They're representing the two conflicting desires in Luke: He wants to become stronger, but he's worried that he's not ready.
- forever sleep. Well, no reason he can't dream. His force ghost is his dream, and you can manipulate your dreams, although not perfectly. Of course, if you are "strong with the force" you might be able to manipulate your dreams more than the average person.
- "That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die" / "In his house in Dagobah, dead Yoda lies dreaming"
- Damn, I really want to run a Call of Cthulhu/Star Wars crossover game now...
- When Yoda said I will sleep forever, it means he's dead. The reason a Sith can never achieve it is explained in the ROTS novelization. It requires complete selflessness and detachment, and Sith can't do that, since they're power hungry greedy bastards.
- Exar Kun seemed to be enjoying himself for quite a long damn time on Yavin IV, and he's hardly selfless. Freedon Nadd likewise had considerable liberty as a Sith Force Ghost and had to actively be destroyed. The ancient Sith Lords interred on Korriban also lingered as Force Ghosts. The Sith have also demonstrated that they can bind souls to physical objects, with good or ill intent. Karness Murr bound himself to his talisman. Someone, possibly Naga Sadow, imprisoned a bunch of Jedi souls in a monolith on Yavin IV (and they were supposedly annihilated when the monolith was destroyed).
- What about this statement from Yoda? Sounds like an endorsement of a Soul/Spiritual element."...Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..."
- Or they do exist, but like Nirvana lose their identities. Force-users are capable of maintaining their identity for some time.
- Alternative to one above.
- Again, balancing the Force does not equal balancing the number of Jedi and Sith. The Jedi thought the Sith lords were extinct the first time the Council mentioned the prophecy about balancing.
- Not the point. Hundreds of Jedi considered two Sith to be a serious threat, instead of something you send a squadron of Jedi (maybe two to be safe) to attack and defeat.
- Conservation of Ninjutsu appears to apply to everyone in the Star Wars universe. The first moon-sized Death Star was destroyed by a single man, and the second was taken down by two people who weren't even Force-sensitive.
- There could actually be an in-universe reason behind it. If there is only so much Light Side and Dark Side energy in the Universe, then the more people using that side of the Force, the lower the maximum amount of power there is for each individual to use. This means that if there are hundreds of Jedi versus one Sith, if they are equally skilled in using the Force, the Sith will have hundreds of times more power to draw upon than each Jedi does. This, combined with the death of Jedi after Episode III also explains why Jedi of the New Jedi Order are that much more powerful. There are nowhere near the numbers of Light-siders that there used to be, and so each one can draw on up to much more power.
- This would seem to be validated onscreen, at least at a local level. The one time the Jedi go into battle as a large group in Attack of the Clones, they are a Red Shirt Army and go down like punks. They later fail spectacularly at defending themselves from clonetroopers within their own temple in the next film. Obi-Wan seemed more effective in fighting Darth Maul by himself in The Phantom Menace than when he and Qui-Gon were doing so together. Mace Windu brings three other Jedi Masters with him to confront Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith, and Palpatine seems to have a huge advantage until he kills all three, at which point the fight between him and Windu becomes more balanced. This makes it appear that the available Force power in a given area is finite, and the more people who are drawing upon a particular side of the Force in that area diminishes the power available to them collectively.

- The Endor non-holocaust was not the work of Force-users, but of plain old Rebels in plain old spaceships. Even Luke was otherwise occupied at the time.
- This possibly implies that Anakin was created by the Force to overthrow both Jedi and Sith and create a new breed of Force-users, led by his offspring. Luke takes on the "Jedi" moniker, but the order he creates bears little resemblance to the original.
- This has been disputed by the Revenge of The Sith commentaries, which state that Anakin was indeed created to destroy the Sith; however, Lucas has been wrong before.
- In Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, the Big Bad has this as a driving motivation. Indeed, it's practically the premise of the game itself; now that the Jedi are gone, many characters (admittedly including several evil and/or Sith-influenced ones) are talking about how they were pretentious and useless.
- "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is a nice clue here.
- If I'm reading that right, and my grasp on grammar works, surely the phrase "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute itself? Making Obi-Wan a dark sider? Or am I just being Captain Obvious here?
- A lot of people have pointed out the ridiculousness of that comment (which this editor missed the first time). Of course, how ridiculous it actually is depends on how you define "deals in."
- Given that the Obi-Wan character is a manipulative, lying bastard, I'm inclined to define it as absolutely as possible.
- I see the statement as a sign of a bit of modesty among the Jedi. They know that no one is completely good or evil, just a mix of both.
- The Jedi are hardly perfect but they do try to help people; they live a spartan existence, obey the Republic's laws, and make life better for everyone at the cost of their happiness; the Sith can be summed up as "obey us or/and we will kill you and make the survivors our slaves." Plus there is a time and a place for telling, and then was not the time.
- If I'm reading that right, and my grasp on grammar works, surely the phrase "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute itself? Making Obi-Wan a dark sider? Or am I just being Captain Obvious here?
- Try this on: the Force is True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral. It only wants to live and perpetuate itself, acting as a kind of glue/source code for the GFFA. Nature is capable of great cruelty, and great mercy alike. Then, some mystics on Tython started to realize "Hey! We can pull strings on this web of life/alter the programming and do some amazing shit!" Unfortunately, because sentient beings are what they are, they start dissecting it, classifying it, dividing it into Ashala and Bogan, Light and Dark. Civil war breaks out, the Dark users on one end, the Light users on one end, and any moderates steamrolled mercilessly by both sides. Thing is, the Force does not like being mangled to fit ideology. Unlike your standard Nietzsche Wannabe, it really is Beyond Good & Evil. The more you swing things one direction, the weaker the Force gets. This is why the Jedi couldn't spot the damn Sith Lord right in front of their noses, and covers why they were laying so much on Anakin and the prophesy. Windu even admits in the second movie that the Jedi are growing weaker. Also, the further you stretch things in one direction, the nastier the backlash when the Force attempts to right itself (Order 66, Ruusan thought bomb). Now, stretch the Force too far in one direction, and it's weak. Create some echoes along the line of Malachor V or Katarr, and you wound it. Wound and weaken it enough, and you could theoretically kill it. Small wonder Kreia was such a Revan fangirl - Revan was acting on HER master plan all along! Plunging the galaxy into Darkness was a heck of a lot faster and more feasible than dragging it into light. Now add some echoes - Malachor, Telos, et. al. - give the other side no place to hide, convert who you can and kill those you can't (via guys like Atton). Kreia and Atton alike mentioned that Revan's real target were the Force users, and Mical had almost put the whole thing together when the misplaced Bene Gesserit pulled the whammy on him. Given this, the Force (and Malak) were saving their butts at the moment Revan was distracted by Bastila's team.
- Jossed by GL, confirming that there is a light and dark side
- Aaaah, what does he know?
- Well, that is a remarkably disrespectful thing to say.
- And even if he does know how it works, he didn't describe what kind of existence it is.
- Jossed by GL, confirming that there is a light and dark side
- What makes the Jedi good or evil really depends on your point of view, like the Jedi themselves say, so I'll say this much: what kind of a compassionate, caring organization that claims to respect the ideals of truth, justice, and freedom would recruit innocent little newborn babies into what is essentially a life of indentured public service without a choice? Sure, some EU materials depict the parents as the ones having the choice (while others still portray the Jedi as essentially stealing young babies out of the crib, like during the Old Republic Era, although this isn't really confirmed, just strongly implied), but it's still a flawed and unjust system because by right the choice should belong to the child who is being drafted into what is basically military service without having the decision to decide if that's what they actually want. But as the Jedi preach, what they are supposed to want is irrelevant; they are told the correct path, the road to truth, and that anything less than that will corrupt you and turn you into a psychotic mass murdering weapon. The way this troper sees it, at best, the Jedi are a somewhat noble but deeply flawed organization which must change (precisely the reason they all had to die to bring "balance to the Force"), or at worst, a bunch of dogmatic assholes who, while not technically evil, are still a questionable variety of Anti-Hero.
- Palpatine: The Jedi are believed to have had special powers derived from The Force.
Vader: Why, didn't they Emperor Palpatine?
Palpatine: No, Vader. You see it's just a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense. Watch me do the same thing, even though I have no Force powers.
(levitates table)
Vader: Gee whiz, Emperor Palpatine, there is no Force! Those Jedi sure pulled the Tauntan wool over our eyes!
Palpatine: They sure did Vader. So remember, boys and girls, if you see anyone doing these tricks, make sure to report them to the local stormtrooper regiment.
Vader: I will! And I also won't forget to buy Palpatine's Own Lemonade! It's good to drink!
And everyone believed them because 1) they were using the Force to trick most of the population into believing them and 2) pretty much everyone at the time was actually supportive of Palpatine because he ended the Clone War and brought about peace. Kind of like how people in Soviet Russia were completely enamoured with Stalin when he was alive because he saved them from Hitler and all the papers were only filled with good things about him.
- Possible debunked powers include the 'Force Lightning' which is just Palpatine having a modified taser up his sleeve, 'Levitation' with some well-placed wires, and 'Prophecies' will have to come true sooner or later if they're vague enough.
- Taser's are generally not high enough to kill, and they are seen emenating from the hands. The levitations are with the force (since wires can't lift senate platforms or rip heavy machinery and hurl them at unpredictable angles.)
- Yes, but anyone who claimed to have seen a Jedi rip heavy machinery would have been assumed to have been exxagerating. There would always be a few people who believedin the Force, but as for the general populace, yeah, this could have been so.
- I think the point was that Palpatine was using the Force while at the same time claiming that he wasn't, and that it was all just a trick.
- Taser's are generally not high enough to kill, and they are seen emenating from the hands. The levitations are with the force (since wires can't lift senate platforms or rip heavy machinery and hurl them at unpredictable angles.)
- If Vader was involved in the debunking, then why does he, in Episode IV, keep on talking about the Force as a mighty power, and get extremely angry when people don't believe in it?
- The people mentioned are Imperial Navy and Army officers i.e. some should had been veterans of the Clone Wars. Vader's view is "You are my minions you better be smarter than that to serve me. If not you have failed me in the get go. No one fails Vader for long. Time to demote i.e. kill and promote some people to keep the officers on their toes." I guess thats why he never killed rank and file, they would had seen him use his force powers (remember Vader was with them in the fighting), in a military outfit stories pass down from senior to junior personel. "Don't piss off Vader or he will choke you with his mind" might be part of the first day of training of the 501st aka Vader's Fist.
- That's only partially true; It's more offensively powerful certainly, but any genius knows that offensive power alone is not the key. It also makes you a self destructive dumbass (Vader and Maul were defeated by Obi Wan because of this). Light side focuses on knowledge and defense and healing. It has longevity.
- Except that Jedi drop like flies in battle, and it is implied that you have to know how to retain your sentience once you die and are absorbed into the Force, the implication being that if you do not know how then you are just absorbed and assimilated. So really the Jedi have no more staying power than the Sith.
- It is somehow true. Dark side allows to have much faster growth which ends quickly both to limitations of user and the lack of longevity. Light side have slower growth but the user lives long so at the end it reaches the same power.
- Luke says in at least one book (The Courtship of Princess Leia) that the Dark Side IS stronger if all you desire is absolute power, but that it's seductive and tends to make you go insane.
- Mind Rape, Back from the Dead, Cloning Gambit...Yes, the dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be...unnatural. But it makes you go insane and Stupid Evil as you try to become strong enough in the dark side to use it.
- This is a problem that stems from the Expanded Universe writers tending to really inflate the powers of the Dark Side in order to create dramatic threats. The unfortunate result is that the Dark Side includes lots of cool powers, outright sorcery, magical items, Magitek and much, much more, whereas the Light Side consists mostly of pretty vanilla powers, nearly all of which are also available to Dark Siders (e.g. Battle Meditation). There is even a Sith Sorcery spell that lets the caster give themselves a false Light Side aura so that they can traipse around looking like a Jedi to any Force-sensitive observers!
- Actually, aside from Force Healing, we don't see any "Light Side" specific powers in the movies or the EU. This lends credence toward the "Jedi are Neutral and Light Side is Lost" theory above.
- The Dark Side is better for destroying enemies, but it is not stronger, as you become a slave to it. Darth Nihilus, for example, is tormented by a perpetual hunger- there's little that can threaten him in a fight, but he can't even master his hunger. That said, this explanation reeks of Obi-Wan's "point of view" speech.
- Palpatine was able to kill three Jedi Masters by himself in a matter of seconds, and was able to defeat Yoda, the most powerful Jedi Master of the time, in single combat. Dooku was able to defeat Anakin and Obi-Wan in their first battle and fight Yoda to a draw. Of course the Dark Side is stronger.
- Even the Jedis themselves don't know about the midichlorian poisoning. A long time ago, when the Jedi order was young, Jedis were allowed to marry. However, they soon noticed that the spouses of Jedis would mysteriously die in alarming numbers. Back then Jedi were far less advanced technologically, and they didn't even know about the existence of midichlorians, so they thought these deaths were some kind of a curse. They deduced that The Force didn't want them to marry, and thus set a law banning all Jedis from marrying. After enough time passed, the original reason behind the ban was forgotten and it just became a part of Jedi tradition. This is why, when the midichlorians were discovered, no one thought of connecting them to the marriage ban. Since almost all Jedis followed the rule of not marrying, there weren't enough midichlorian poisonings for anyone to get interested in the phenomenon and discover its cause.
- Then why is Han Solo still alive and quite well in his seventies?
- This WMG is based on the movie canon. I don't know or care what happens in other SW material. But, if you want to speculate, it's perfectly possible Leia doesn't have the mutation, as she doesn't show any Force related powers in the movies. So Han might be safe after Episode VI.
- Leia heard Luke's call for help in Episode V and was able to locate him very specifically. Also from ROTJ: "My family is strong in the force. My father has it. I have it... My sister has it... Yes, you Leia... You have that power too". And: "If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will"(Vader to Luke goading him into a fight). Good try but canon definitely states Leia is strong in the Force.
- Even if she is, nothing in the movie canon discredits the Midichlorian poisoning theory, and like I said, this WMG is based on the movies alone. If we look at the movie canon, we don't know what happens to Han after Episode VI.
- Um, Shmi anyone? Carrier of the being literally made by the force and chocked full of more midiclorians than Yoda born to an average mother with no force powers or apparent sensitivity and who not only lived through the pregnancy and child birth but continued to live on with stable mental and bodily functions for another ten years, then another dozen or so before dying in a way easily explained by medical science?
- This WMG is based on the movie canon. I don't know or care what happens in other SW material. But, if you want to speculate, it's perfectly possible Leia doesn't have the mutation, as she doesn't show any Force related powers in the movies. So Han might be safe after Episode VI.
- Think about it. A kiss in the Star Wars universe can be equal to sex. At first I thought it was just a way to keep everything PG but what if a kiss really does equal sex, at least in terms of the endorphin rush. Jedi subconsciously strengthen the Force in people they become close to. With other Jedi, it helps to strength the Master-Apprentice bond but Non-Jedi get a taste of what Jedi feel all the time and it becomes an addition. And if the bond brakes it leads to withdrawal severe enough to kill a person. Just Like Padme.
The other side developed to the other side, allowing for lower amounts of force power but a far larger number of hosts in most cases. This type is a more benign type, but it still influences their hosts towards a path that leads to their reproduction.
The Dark Side parasite, however, makes the dark jedi use their large amounts of power, and then feeds off it, growing exponentially. This explains why dark jedi feel like they have more power; they DO, but soon after they gain that power their inner microbes feed off it so much that they might as well not have any more than anyone else.
Finally, any incorrect beliefs about Midichlorians being necessary for life to form are just a mind control self defense mechanism of the Midichlorians to prevent them from being wiped out.
This is also true of the Sith. Although Expanded Universe materials suggest that Palpatine and Vader were able to locate stray Force-users and Force-sensitives throughout the galaxy, in the films they can do no such thing. Leia served on the Imperial Senate, and Vader actually interrogated her, yet neither Sith Lord ever sensed anything special about her. On the Death Star, Vader felt Obi-Wan's presence. But sensed nothing special about Luke until the space battle where Luke started actively using the Force literally in front of him.
However, in the main point where the Force allows extra-sensory perception is either directly sensing the Force in other places, or allowing Force-Users to process information in way that they would not normally. Luke's knowing when to fire the proton torpedo was not his having extra-sensory perception, but the Force allowing him to, from the information that his eyes gave him, subconsciously calculate exactly when to fire the proton torpedo.
- Midi-chlorians are never stated to be the cause of the Force, which is "an energy field created by all living things." (Okay, so technically they do contribute, but no more so than other microorganisms.) Midi-chlorians are what enable their symbionts to sense and thus manipulate the Force.
- Obi-Wan: A Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.
Obi-Wan: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.
- The Light Side is based on becoming one with the Force by erasing your sense of self and relying on its guidance to make decisions. If you go too far in that direction you become unable to handle any emotions you can’t suppress. you eventually lose the ability to tell the difference between your own thoughts and the Force’s guidance and assume that whatever you are thinking and feeling must be right. The end result is that if something makes you start thinking about yourself after going too far into the Light Side you completely lose it and rapidly fall to the Dark Side of the Force. Even if you manage to never think about yourself you will still eventually begin thinking in ways that can't be called sane even if they aren't the same as the Dark Side.
- The other direction is basically normal human thought. You use the Force to solve your problems and the problems of people you care about while ignoring its guidance and are corrupted by it because a single human isn’t capable of handling that much power on their own without being changed by it. you slowly forget why you wanted to use the Force and start thinking about what you can do with it if you focus only on power and gradually fall to the Dark Side
- Balance is paying attention to the Force without forgetting about you own priorities and emotions. you listen when the Force tells you that you are heading in the wrong direction but you still set your own goals and remember that they are yours.
- Alternatively, balance mastery allows one to tap into force powers from both sides of The Force with equal ease and the powers take on new forms. Force Lightning may be more akin to a nature-based power that also generates storm clouds that being healing rains, essentially integrating healing into the mix. A balanced user may also have the ability to affect the Force alignment of a person, not exactly mind controlling them but at least sowing confusing from the seeming contradiction of one taping into both sides of The Force.
- Obi-Wan: A Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.
Obi-Wan: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.
[[The Force is not an extension of life's sapience, but an extra-galactic parasite that is playing a long-con on all species in the Star Wars galaxy before stealing their life-energy.]]Considering the obese amount of conflicting information on the origins of the Force, where even both the Jedi and Sith are forgetting the most critical parts for their research on what the Force IS?! Even the various memory-based species who can No-Sell mind manipulation is wiped of the information. In the end of the Force's power, what is given will eventually be retaken, with 'interest'.
- They're the main characters. If bad stuff didn't happen to them, the movies/books would be boring.
- Owen Lars and Han Solo aren't really a part of the Skywalker bloodline, particularly if you count Han's suffering as a child before he knew any Skywalkers as his "punishment".
- Word of God said he was. The main issue is not who the chosen one is, but what the prophecy really means.
- The Chosen One was the one who would bring balance to the Force. While Luke played a huge part in it, ultimately it was Anakin who overthrew Palpatine, thereby restoring balance.
- There's also the interpretation that both the Sith and the Jedi were doing it wrong, and Anakin's job was to wipe out the old guard on both sides so his son could start fresh. Luke's new Jedi Order does a lot of things differently from the old, such as allowing marriage.
- Something like this was actually brought up in the book I, Jedi, where the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan letting Luke keep his full name was noted as being somewhat odd.
- This actually makes more sense with Yoda's death in RotJ; if he set off the trap, why continue to perpetuate whatever was keeping him alive? Once Luke was on the way, he stopped doing whatever he had been doing, and less then a year later he went from fairly mobile to dead.
- This could also explain why Obi-wan lied to Luke about Yoda being his master (assuming the story about Yoda teaching Obi-wan as a child isn't true). The brief scene in Episode II with Yoda teaching a class of "Younglings" doing the hit-the-little-ball-with-your-lightsaber-while-blindfolded exercise may have been added to explain how Yoda could be said to have "trained Obi-wan" as well as Qui-Gon, since he trains all of the Younglings before they become Padawans.
- This also explains why Obi-wan chose the start of Episode VI to tell Luke about his relation to Leia. He was deliberately placing it in Luke's mind so Vader could find it, become interested in her, and unwittingly trigger the kill command. Obi-wan wasn't the sort to volunteer information for no reason.
- Alternatively, one could argue that putting Luke on the same spot that Anakin's mother died is the most absolute guarantee imaginable for Darth Vader never willingly going there.
- In an EU novel taking place just after Episode III, Obi-Wan finds out that Vader is alive soon after arriving on Tatooine, and initially panics, thinking he had unwittingly placed Luke in a very dangerous situation. The Force Ghost of Qui-Gon then reassures him that the above is true, and Luke's therefore safe. Note also that in Episode IV, Vader "sends a detachment down to retrieve" the droids, rather than going himself.
- Which is exactly why it doesn't work. Darth Vader may not be willing to return to Tatooine, but he has plenty of flunkies he can send instead. A simple name change worked for Leia - Vader met her the very start of Episode IV, and had no clue who she was until he read it in Luke's mind in Episode VI.
- They didn't even change the name her mom gave her. Did Padme and Anakin never discuss baby names or something?
- In an EU novel taking place just after Episode III, Obi-Wan finds out that Vader is alive soon after arriving on Tatooine, and initially panics, thinking he had unwittingly placed Luke in a very dangerous situation. The Force Ghost of Qui-Gon then reassures him that the above is true, and Luke's therefore safe. Note also that in Episode IV, Vader "sends a detachment down to retrieve" the droids, rather than going himself.
- I suspected that after Episode 2 and Knights of the Old Republic proved just how low the Jedi are willing to sink to save their butts. C'mon, their recruitment method was to take a kid from infancy, cut them off from everything, and teach them to look down on the muggles as sheep to tend. they are also not above Mind Rape, and "Jedi Truth" was the name for Metaphorically True for a reason. They were shoving lightsabers into the hands of 10-13 year old children and sending them to lead brigades of 10-year-old Mando'a slaves. (Traviss has many faults, but I salute her for pointing out just how hypocritical and evil that setup is).
- Excuse me? Who ordered the clones? Oh, right, Palpatine. Why did the Jedi accept and lead the troops? Oh, right, because Palpatine created the Seperatist faction as such a threat that an army was necessary, and the choice was either use the Jedi (aka, closest thing to an army Republic has) to lead these conveniently-here troops, or be crushed by superior numbers. The clones were only slaves because of Palpatine's machinations, and the Jedi only led them because Palpatine's Evil Plan left them no other choice. The Jedi are just as much victims in the "slavery and child soldiers" issue as the Mandalorians- never forget that it is Palpatine that is the root of this evil. Blame the Jedi, and you're falling for propaganda Palpatine set up to discredit the Jedi.
- Pardon me, but if the Republic's in danger, surely the good people of the Republic can get off their butts and defend their own society! Instead they violate the Rights of Sentience in their own bloody charter (the one prohibiting slavery), and look the other way while slaves and child conscripts do their fighting for them. Even if the Republic itself did not have a standing army, there were plenty of planetary and sector defense forces that could have been assembled into an army the same way state militias were compiled into armies as required in American history up to the Civil War. There's also the matter of a draft for citizens, which dates back to Babylon, and which most democracies have on the books today. They even could have gone the Elizabeth I route and recruited privateers like mad. "Here's a license to wreak merry mayhem on enemy ships. We take 20% of the haul." (Privateers seem to be the bulk of the Rebel's "Navy"). Considering the Rebels had a lot fewer troops and resources, but were able to hold their own against the Empire in a match-up that was a hell of a lot more lopsided than the Clone Wars ever got? I do not kriffing buy the "they had no other option" excuse.
- Do you have any idea about the logistics of making an army? The Republic had NO standing army for a millennium. Anyone with ANY working knowledge of how to make and fight with a galactic army was long died. In the real world it takes a year, a whole year, to train infantry soldiers. Let me repeat that, It takes a year to train cannon fodder; forget about the command officers, and the pilots, and the sailors, and the special divisions. Not to mention the needs of the military. Where would the uniforms, the weapons, the vehicles and food come from? Where would the money to pay for all that plus the soldiers salaries come from? The Republic has the bodies need to make an army. But the logistics to make a regular civilians into a war-ready military is a long and arduous nightmare under normal circumstances. By the time the Republic citizens were selected, trained, armed, and ready to fight, the CIS would be marching to the doorsteps of the Republic Senate. Planetary militias would be more concerned with defending their home territory and someone would still need to establish a chain of command. That brings up the racial and cultural tensions; some people may not want to fight with or under other people. And hiring privateers has its own problems. After Elizabeth I stopped hiring privateers, those same privateers became pirates and terrorized the very people they were hired to protect. The Rebels had the major advantage of having about 90% of the population that would help with or at least willfully ignore anything they do. But in the Clone Wars era, a lot of people were really pissed off at the Republic and the Jedi. Republic troops were more likely to be shot at or spit on than helped. The Clone troopers were the only way to come up with a battle-ready army before the Republic was destroyed.
- So, we have two infants. They train 'em the "traditional" way, and it'll get the wrong kind of attention. So, they take a gamble. Set one up with an ally - change her name, put her on one of the Core Worlds, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political training, browbeat in the sense of duty... everything aside from the Force use. Now, take the other, give him NO training at all. Hide him right where you'd expect your foe to look (middle of nowhere, Anakin's home planet, and with Anakin's stepbrother!). Plant your spy (Obi-Wan) there, and just wait. Because of the Rule of Two, there are only two Sith to worry about at any given time. Sooner or later, (according to plan) Vader or Palaptine would make a move and grab the boy for an apprentice. This would cause the inevitable Duel to the Death that establishes Sith leadership, leaving ONE badass level Sith and (maybe) a green apprentice that could be easily killed by two Jedi Masters. After pulling this stunt, they could successfully pull a But Thou Must! on Leia, who would no doubt take it and accept the orthodox Jedi principles out of duty.
- Excuse me? Who ordered the clones? Oh, right, Palpatine. Why did the Jedi accept and lead the troops? Oh, right, because Palpatine created the Seperatist faction as such a threat that an army was necessary, and the choice was either use the Jedi (aka, closest thing to an army Republic has) to lead these conveniently-here troops, or be crushed by superior numbers. The clones were only slaves because of Palpatine's machinations, and the Jedi only led them because Palpatine's Evil Plan left them no other choice. The Jedi are just as much victims in the "slavery and child soldiers" issue as the Mandalorians- never forget that it is Palpatine that is the root of this evil. Blame the Jedi, and you're falling for propaganda Palpatine set up to discredit the Jedi.

- Fair enough, but why? Does Luke hold the key to the afterlife? Is "walking the sky" the road to Heaven?
- Oh my god. Souji Tendou is trying to become Luke Skywalker. IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
- "Out of Luke-Death range" has to be the best line ever.
- Nope. The balance is even simpler than that - before the events of Episode III, there were thousands of Jedi, and only two Sith. Then Order 66 came about, the clones shot the Jedi to hell, leaving only two left alive. Two Sith. Two Jedi. Balance.
- Jossed by both Lucas and the EU. Apparently, for the force to be in balance, the only force users "allowed" are Jedi... See above, the theory that Jedi are actually the Neutral faction.
- This is because the Light side of the force, practiced correctly, is about maintaining balance. Obi-Wan said as much in ANH; "So it controls your actions?"; "Partially, it also obeys your commands." But the Jedi were no longer using the Force correctly, due to being unchallenged by the Sith for so long. Thus, the Force was unbalanced.
- So balance to the Force means balance between the number of Sith and the number of Jedi? Sounds a little far-fetched to me. Don't see how that deserves such an epic prophecy. Especially when it gets thrown out of balance again within three decades. Remember, at the end of Return of the Jedi (discounting the Expanded Universe, which has little to do with Lucas) the tally is Jedi: one, Sith: zero. Potential Jedi: one, potential Sith: zero.
- Jossed by both Lucas and the EU. Apparently, for the force to be in balance, the only force users "allowed" are Jedi... See above, the theory that Jedi are actually the Neutral faction.
- This may or may not be canon, but it's possible the 'imbalance' in the Force is the Dark Side itself, not the relative proportions of Jedi and Sith. Ignoring the EU, Anakin/Vader did destroy all of the Sith.
- If the Dark and Light Side are tangible entities instead of philosophies, destroying the Dark Side would cause an inbalance. Unless you go with the "dark vs light equals passionate overuse vs conservation of power" interpetation instead of the "dark vs light equals good vs evil" view.
- He fullfilled it through The Power of Love. But then, he got unbalanced and destroying the only person that kept him balancing the Force. Then, Luke was born, and his mission is (slightly) more sucessful.
- Darth Vader is the clone of Anakin Skywalker.
- And Vader has no idea. He thinks that he's the original.
- I know this theory is Just for Fun, but I can't help but point out how the fact that Anakin IS Darth Vader was a major plot point in Return of the Jedi, so it not being true would cause either a major plot hole or a huge dose of Fridge Logic
- Canon is remarkably unclear on whether Palpatine's deformities after the fight with Mace Windu were a result of his lightning burning him or if some kind of illusion being dispelled. This theory states it was a combination (suggested by one of the designers of the Star Wars RPG), Palpatine was using Plagueis's techniques to enhance his lifespan and make his face look normal, but the combined scarring from the lightning and dispelling force of it destroyed the "mask".
- The disruption of the natural flow of the Force is an immense violation of balance. In order to put a stop to this, the Force created its own life, a living weapon designed to destroy Palpatine and die, thus returning that energy to the Force and restoring balance.
- As Episode 3 shows, the proper path to immortality is to give yourself to the Force. By taking from the Force, you provoke immense wrath.
- Thus, bringing balance to the Force has little to do with Jedi or Sith, hence why Sith pop up after the Battle of Endor and it's No Big D. Reducing the Jedi population to only about two was just a funny coincidence.
- An alternate take on this same theory is that Palpatine is an Humanoid Abomination made of the pure manifestation of the Dark Side itself. His very existence is slowly killing the Force. And thus, killing him brings balance to the Force.
- He comes back in Dark Empire, but anyone familiar with Palpatine's character from the films can tell that it's not the same guy. And it isn't, technically. When he died at Endor, his Humanoid Abomination-ness was destroyed, but he managed to split off a piece of his mind at death, and sent it to occupy a new body. However, he Came Back Wrong, losing most of his sanity in the process. So, killing the cloned Palpatine won't restore balance to the Force, since Anakin already did it with the original. Thus, we can acknowledge the Expanded Universe while still holding true to the Word of God.
- And — that's no longer canon. He died and stayed dead.
- Ahem, The Emperor would like a word with you.
- He comes back in Dark Empire, but anyone familiar with Palpatine's character from the films can tell that it's not the same guy. And it isn't, technically. When he died at Endor, his Humanoid Abomination-ness was destroyed, but he managed to split off a piece of his mind at death, and sent it to occupy a new body. However, he Came Back Wrong, losing most of his sanity in the process. So, killing the cloned Palpatine won't restore balance to the Force, since Anakin already did it with the original. Thus, we can acknowledge the Expanded Universe while still holding true to the Word of God.
- Well, Revenge of the Sith Jossed the part about Leia being older, but has Word Of Lucas said anything about who had more latent power anywhere?
- Ironically, there is a Dark Jedi named Xanatos in Legends.
- He would doubtely re-create the Jedi Order. It's not like he really believed them either, more like he felt betrayed by everyone, and just wanted to find peace with his family at last. Jedi, Sith, who cares? All this struggle between two Force-using Orders destroyed his entire life. If Vader was to survive, he would likely left the Empire and the Rebels to fight themselves true, as he was never very good in politics.
- When Anakin was the only Skywalker, the entire Galaxy fell to Dark side when he did, His family has basically controled the galaxy since. His only set of children where twins (so as too establish two lines) most male Skywalkers since Anakin seems to cause women to become alergic to celebacy, when they're around, so as to encourage the spread of these genes throughout the galaxy faster. In short, Plagueis wanted the whole Galaxy to be filled with force sensitive Ubermenschs.
- You know, that actually makes a decent amount of sense. Look at the Legacy era, of the three Skywakkers around at that point of time, one was already dead, and the other two renounced the name, one ending up dead without said name, and the other eventually reclaiming it. Hopefully the next era of Star Wars will be replenished with Half Zeltron Skywalkers who will spread the bloodline far enough that it never is depleted again
- Gods, this is both sensible, and freaking hilarious. What, you saying if Anakin was more like Cade and slept around the universe would be a better place?
- Jossed. The mere presence of the Sith is what's throwing things off balance.

- Supporting this case, look at the dynamic between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in The Phantom Menace. Qui-Gon is one of the few free-minded and open members of the council, while Obi-Was was more by-the-book and submissive to authorities. Qui-Gon is "mindful of the living Force" and sees things as they are, making other Jedi cold and distant by comparison. He even goes out of his way to help others, despite the burden. It's clear that he knows that Jar-Jar is annoying and uslelss, but goes out of his way to help him out of his impending punishment, just out of the goodness of his heart. This, in stark contrast with the more stern and conservative Obi-Wan (representing the rest of the order, in this case) throughout Episodes I and II, it's no coincidence that it was Qui-Gon Jinn who paved the way for Anakin's destiny.
- Because they were both experaicing Genetic Sexual Attraction.
- Of course, this doesn't explain why Palpatine just left him out in the Galactic boonies for seven years. Possibly, this was to better fit the prophecy about "he who would bring balance to the Force".
- The psychological issues that Palpatine used with such great success to manipulate Anakin's fall are at least partly rooted in Anakin's childhood as a powerless slave. It thus makes perfect sense for Palpatine to have created Anakin to be born into such a situation and left there to fester a bit.
- There's also the fact that raising Anakin himself would make it much more difficult, if not impossible, for Palpatine to have the kid picked up as a Jedi recruit.
- Depending on whether you believe that Palpatine is still trying to learn Plagueis's power, he may not have had the ability to create Anakin. It is known to us that Palpatine cannot be trusted, but maybe he's telling the truth this time. Most signs point to Palpatine being the apprentice who killed Darth Plagueis, and the way he spoke of the legend almost conveys a sense of regret; he killed his master too soon. If this theory is true, then in all likelihood, Plagueis created Anakin. If this is another one of Palpatine's mind games even extending to the audience, then it's just as plausible for either of them to have created Anakin.
- Palpatine told Anakin that Plagueis alone had known the secret to immortality; however, this does not mean that Plagueis did not tell Palpatine the secret to creating life. It's still possible that Palpatine was the one who created Anakin by manipulating the midichlorians to impregnate Shmi. Additionally, it makes no sense for the midichlorian bacteria themselves to fertilise an egg; there must have been some sort of 'father', or Anakin would have ended up with only half a genome. Since Plagueis wasn't human (according to the EU at least), Palpatine seems like the most likely source for the genetic material of the father, as he was probably the only Force-sensitive human that Plagueis had easy access to... perhaps Plagueis took a sample of Palpatine's DNA without him knowing, and impregnated Shmi with it via midichlorians.
- Anakin being an experimental creation explains why Palpatine would send Darth Maul to Tatooine - the queen and Jedi were already going where he wanted them to go, so the real reason to send an assassin must have been to prevent Anakin from falling into the Jedi's hands.
- Wait, I thought we were agreed that he did want Anakin to fall into the Jedi's hands.
- it's not the sort of idea a Sith master would want to put in a student's head. Except that's exactly what Palpatine did in that scene.
- Recently this was shot down (Or confirmed, depending on view) by canon. It's been established that Plagueis created Anakin with the intent of replacing Palpatine as his apprentice. Palpatine, for some reason, didn't approve of this plan, and decided to hijack it.
- ...and to later do his own version when convinced Vader to turn Luke.
- Of course, Shmi could have just gotten drunk/raped and was too embarrassed to admit. Given, that she lives in the center of a mobster-infested Wretched Hive...
- I always figured it to be another slave (and confessing or admitting she was knocked up by a fellow slave would have gotten him/them killed), or a human owner/friend of the owner had "master's privilege" to the slave quarter. When she stated her boy had no father, it meant he hadn't a father worth mentioning.
- Not exactly Palpatine but I do believe that Anakin was the penultimate experiment in Midi-chlorian experiments by Plagieus. But he only came around because the Force let Plagieus develop him. He tried creating life again using the same exact process used to create Anakin and it never worked again.
- It's hinted that the Force actively impregnated Shmi and she IS a Virgin Mary metaphor. Anakin is destined to die to restore balance to the force, his mother was a virgin, and the Force is basically God so Anakin is God's child.
- Yeah, but that's nowhere near as interesting or dramatic.
- The Vong situation reveals that the Force is unique to the galaxy in which the action of Star Wars takes place, whereas God is everywhere, period.
- Considering that a major plot point is that the Vong used to be a part of the Force, back in their old Galaxy, and that one of them manage to re-connect to the Force through messing with himself and one of their oldest creations, it would seem the Force, at least, wasn't unique to the Star Wars Galaxy.
- Just me talking, but Palpatine being Anakin's father one way or the other would be more fitting to the spirit of the series than "oh he's Space Jesus". Anakin, child of the effective Satan of the series, should by all rights follow his father's footsteps. And in a sense, you could say he does-in delicious irony, it comes from a twisted attempt to prove he is the Chosen One. It shows the tragedy of a villain born from trying to be a hero, and the insidiousness of the Big Bad for engineering a would-be messiah only to wreck him. But as we know Vader redeems himself and fulfils the Chosen One prophecy in spite of everything. It proves that one is not a slave to their destiny, and can defy it through their will. Your lineage does not entrap your fate. And you know who else took this path? Luke Skywalker. Like father like son, huh.
- One of the drafts had Palpatine claim he used the midi-cholrians to create Anakin.
- In a foreign language dub, this is exactly what Yoda says: "You will look like this when you reach 900 years of age too!"
- If you want to get into cross-universe speculation, the series three finale of Doctor Who had the Doctor looking a bit Yoda-like after being "aged" by the Master. Maybe Davies was inspired by this theory?
- Which makes Yoda a Time Lord!
- Well, Yoda does resemble William Hartnell (the First Doctor) at some points.
- Which makes Yoda a Time Lord!
- Yoda had a flirtation with the Dark Side of the Force way back in his backstory. Palpatine's got nothing on him when it comes to Dark Side induced deformities.
- I always thought the secrecy surrounding Yoda was George paying homage to Tom Bombadil of Lord Of The Rings fame. The secrecy surrounding both of their origins is to try to replicate many similar characters in mythology.
- Yoda vanishing into the Force wasn't just a Jedi trick, but rather his ancient body disintegrating due to No Immortal Inertia.
- With the existence of Baby Yoda/Grogu who’s said to be 50 years old this can pretty conclusively be Jossed.
- Alternatively, Palpatine's "abduction" was arranged to allow Anakin to kill Count Dooku, simultaneously making him a hero of the Republic and getting him an in on the Jedi Council, and clearing the way for him to become Palpatine's new apprentice.
- The duel on the observation deck could have gone either way; that was the point. If Dooku kills the Jedi, Sidious wins. If Dooku dies, then Sidious recruits the winner to become his new apprentice.
- If you accept the word of the movie novelization, this is canon.
- Novelizations are canon unless they contradict the movies themselves, and in this case they didn't.
- Better yet, the Palpatine of Eps I and II was a clone. It was established in the EU graphic novel Dark Empire that Palpy kept a bunch of clone bodies ready for transfer when his old one got all melty and worn out. So he grows a special clone that he manipulates to the top of the Republic, but who is also ignorant of his true identity. At the opportune time, he kidnaps the clone and pulls the old Mind-Body Switcheroo when nobody's looking (the old body gets dumped out the airlock). His old apprentice gets eliminated, and he recruits a new one who was none the wiser! He probably had tons of clones over the years, but the most recent one was the most successful. After all, in Dark Empire he says, "I exist primarily as energy, formlessness, and power."
- Jossed by Leland Chee. Palpatine never migrated to clone bodies until after RotJ.
- ...of course, wether you go with this depends on your opinion of his opinion as Keeper of Continuity; after all, there's nothing the films or published materials that directly contradicts this theory.
- Chee is the one who manages it, so yeah. I trust him
- Jossed by Leland Chee. Palpatine never migrated to clone bodies until after RotJ.
- Then Palpatine sliced off Sidious' arms and grafted them onto himself, for the lightning (and win).
- Syfo-Dyas was only mostly dead. Nor was he left-handed.
- If you go by the novelization, Syfo-Dyas was an actual Jedi Master who had somehow stumbled upon Sidious' and Tyranus' plot to form a Separatist Confederacy almost immediately after the events of Episode I. He then attempted to commission a clone army so that when the Confederacy arose, the Republic would be ready to fight it. If I remember correctly, he did not have any knowledge of Sith involvement in the Separatist movement, but nonetheless the Sith caught onto him. They killed him before he could detail his plans to the Jedi Council but decided to let the clone army develop unhindered, as without it, the Confederacy could have steamrolled over the Republic (which apparently had no standing self-defense force) with little to no opposition. Which would not have served the Sith's designs. Thus, when Episode II rolled around, the Jedi had a fully-grown clone army dropped in their laps, but since they had a full-scale war on their hands, there was little time or resources to devote to investigating the activities of a Jedi Master dead for nearly a decade.
- Dyas predicted the violence so he commissioned the army. Sidious realized the army could serve their plans, so he ordered Tyranus to murder Dyas. This allowed Dooku to fully join while furthering the plot.
- If you go by the novelization, Syfo-Dyas was an actual Jedi Master who had somehow stumbled upon Sidious' and Tyranus' plot to form a Separatist Confederacy almost immediately after the events of Episode I. He then attempted to commission a clone army so that when the Confederacy arose, the Republic would be ready to fight it. If I remember correctly, he did not have any knowledge of Sith involvement in the Separatist movement, but nonetheless the Sith caught onto him. They killed him before he could detail his plans to the Jedi Council but decided to let the clone army develop unhindered, as without it, the Confederacy could have steamrolled over the Republic (which apparently had no standing self-defense force) with little to no opposition. Which would not have served the Sith's designs. Thus, when Episode II rolled around, the Jedi had a fully-grown clone army dropped in their laps, but since they had a full-scale war on their hands, there was little time or resources to devote to investigating the activities of a Jedi Master dead for nearly a decade.
- Alternatively, Sidious created another personality, so the Jedi couldn't detect him.
- And eventually quit. He knows when your Dragon meets his long lost son, yous should leave before you die. Palpatine was left around to take the fall when Mace grew tired of running a galactic empire.
- If we take in consideration "Lando Calrissian is Mace Windu's long-lost son", it takes the theory to a whole new light.
- So, Jedis are alchemists?
- Sith Alchemy is actually a totally in universe thing. In fact, alchemy in general is often identified as being one of the worst Dark side powers imaginable (possibly as it usually is an utter perversion of the Jedi's Heeling powers. This would explain Anakins miraculous birth, as well as his incredible power in the force. It would also pretty much mean that Palpanite was aware of Anakin from the start, further cementing his Chessmaster status.
- Assuming you consider Darth Plagueis to be in the same continuity, probably jossed: Palps was a psycho long before he was old enough to care about politics, and is heavily implied to have simply been born evil.
- Wookieepedia
has Sidious starting his political career seventy years before the Battle of Yavin. If this is accurate, and assuming he was 15 when this started (he is a Naboo, and they legally have to spend their teenage years in the public service), this puts him at around ninety in Return of the Jedi. He'd be in his late forties during The Phantom Menace.
- This is Palpatine we're talking about. He could've altered the facts so that his accelerated age wouldn't be noticed.
- You know, Yoda has precognition. Instead of Luke just so happening to land where Yoda lived, maybe it was Yoda who set up camp where he knew Luke would land.
- That's still Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, though to a lesser degree: Palpatine doesn't believe that you can be evil and still be able to feel love or mercy, which is rather obvious when you think about why Vader is Vader. If anything, he should know Luke is an even greater resource to Vader because he's the only thing Vader could possibly value.
- Considering Darth Maul survived just as bad a fall along with his torso gone, this wouldn't be hard to pull off. Plus a cybernetic Samuel L. Jackson is too cool to pass up.
- Maybe Palpatine simply has suffers from a Lack of Empathy instead-there's a difference. Whatever the case, it's clear from the Darth Plagueis novel that something made him born evil.
- Actually; He would be a genuine Psychopath. Sociopaths are the ones who are erratic and impulsive. There is a difference between the two.

- He kills people in the name of the Emprah. Think about it.
- Considering they live on a desert wasteland, it's not like they have anything to pass time.
- Considering that that home is a farm I'm pretty sure they had plenty of things to do other than fry their brains. Being in the middle of a super-desert would make that frying literal as well.
- This has already been suggested by Darths&Droids, or something similar, at least. Exactly what kind of "moisture" were they farming...?
- And he's a genius!
- The elite Arc Troopers on Munnilist were killed to show off how powerful Durge was, in a combination of The Worf Barrage and the Red Shirt effect.
- Endor. An armored company of the most feared soldiers in the galaxy, massacred by bears.
- You say that like bears aren't good at massacreing
- Midget bears at that....
- ...point.
- You say that like bears aren't good at massacreing
- In The Clone Wars series' Malevolence arc, Plo Koon is trying to save a group of clones from danger, when one of them responds with "We're clones, sir. We're meant to be expendable." This at least shows that they're aware that they're (like) Red Shirts.

- ... I thought that was canon.
- Actually, this might be true. One episode of the Clone Wars TV series has a Battle Droid come to that conclusion. Seeing as Battle Droids are generally on par with Jar-Jar in terms of IQ, my guess is that a Stormtrooper's going to hit that conclusion a whole lot faster.
- Obi-Wan is model OB-1. similarly Uncle Owen is model O1. Ben Kenobi is the original, who died.
- This is thoroughly Jossed by the prequel trilogy, but was a long-standing WMG before the Prequels came out.
- Didn't save him from getting his ass kicked by a blind Han Solo, though.
- The Dread Pirate Boba
- Partially Jossed Boba Fett is a clone of his father, Jango Fett. However, Jango seems very familiar with the Kaminoans who clone him to make Boba. It's perfectly reasonable that this is how the "Fett" name has been passed on: a man raising a clone of himself as his son, repeated for hundreds or thousands of years.
- It also explains the Dawson Casting.
- Age has nothing to do with becoming King or Queen. When you're heir to a throne and the Monarch dies, you are the new Monarch, doesn't matter if you're 14 years old or 14 minutes old.
- Except on Naboo they elect their Queens to serve terms (you probably shouldn't think about it too hard), which explains why Padmé isn't a Queen after Episode I.
- It's probably a downplayed form of Call a Smeerp a "Rabbit", they call it a monarch but it's actually closer to presidency.
- Except on Naboo they elect their Queens to serve terms (you probably shouldn't think about it too hard), which explains why Padmé isn't a Queen after Episode I.
- Maybe he's swearing in the Star Wars equivalent of Morse Code.
- R2-D2 is the Star Wars equivalent of Kenny McCormick. "Oh, my god! They shot R2! You bastards!"
- Confirmed in the current comics; Artoo has a really foul "mouth" (speaker? vocal processor?) that even shocks an omnicidal assassin droid.
- In one of the books describing his younger days, he is able to resist a brainwashing wave by channeling his anger. Now, what does that sound like?
- Think about it. Who does the actual piloting on their ship? Who does the repairs? Which one of them is tougher in a fight? Basically, who does the actual work? The only things Han handles are the business side — meeting with people, finding jobs — which Chewie can't do because he doesn't speak the language. We assume Han is in charge because he's a human and acts like he is, but it's totally in-character for him to act that way regardless of the truth; Chewie is neither capable of correcting that impression (because of the language barrier) nor interested in it as long as Han continues to do his job and pull in money, but he's shown to be perfectly willing to laugh at Han — in fact, if anything, he probably finds Han's posturing to be amusing, and lets him do it because he knows other humans will be more likely to hire him if they believe a human is in charge. Han's BS lines to Obi Wan (using 'parsecs' as a unit of time) show that he doesn't really know the first thing about navigation — he's just there to bring in jobs for the Wookie.
All the Star Wars saga is a Gambit Roulette by R2-Plagueis to take his sweet revenge.
Evidences showing us that R2-D2 is Darth Plagueis are:
- He can use the force ( "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been short-Circuited." sound a lot like "These are not the droids your looking for." )
- He know all the access code to every door/computer ever !
- He is a badass warrior, beating TWO B2 super battle droid easily. Something a simple astromech should not be able to do.
So when Darth Plagueis became Droid Plagueis, he use his midi-chlorian manipulation to create Anakin, to bring forth the end of his apprentice. Or to teach him a new lesson. Hard to say if a sith want to kill you or teach you.
- Jossed. In the novel Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, Sidious kills Plagueis during the events of The Phantom Menace. If I recall correctly, it happens on the night before Palpatine is elected chancellor and the Invasion of Naboo ends.
- A droid can be rebuilt. And besides: Backstroke of the West is a higher canon level that Darth Plageous, because it's a movie adaptation.
Palpatine got Jar Jar to trust him, then manipulated him into a position where he would start a chain of events that led to Palpy getting all the power! While the focus was on the Jedi and the decline of the Republic, the main point of the prequel trilogy was secretly that Jar Jar's gullibility and stupidity quite literally screwed the entire galaxy. [This was handled pretty well, despite the PT's faults.]
So, what madness is this, then? The Phantom Menace establishes early on that Jar Jar is... well, clumsy, not that bright, and very trusting of strangers. Later, it shows that he's actually charismatic enough for people to listen to him and honest enough to seem trustworthy, and puts him in positions where coincidences make him look more competent than he actually is; this culminates in him becoming crucial to Naboo's politics, and leads to him becoming the Gungan representative (likely because it's somewhere that gets him out of their hair, while actually making him useful to Gungan society). The newer Clone Wars cartoon shows that while he's good in his native element, he's absolutely hopeless outside it; on a water planet, he performs about as well as a Jedi would in stopping a rebellion or something, if I remember correctly, mainly due to his clumsiness, that whole "coincidences like him" thing, his swimming ability, and an understanding of underwater life forms. This likely helps bolster his reputation, giving him more authority. As the trilogy continues, so does this trend, culminating in Padmé trusting him enough to let him represent her when she heads to Mustafar. Meanwhile, Palpatine has set up this entire chain of events: he sent Anakin to Mustafar so he would lure the more reasonable Padmé away from the Senate; planned for Obi-Wan to go fight Anakin, keeping the more intelligent Jedi out of his hair; and his manipulation of Jar Jar, both behind the scenes and by his seemingly-reasonable conversations with the Gungan, led to the rube trusting him entirely.
So, basically, the entire prequel trilogy hinges on this simple-minded Gungan trusting a reliable friend to do what's right. That worked out well.
A Jawa rifle took R2-D2 down with a single shot.
That's a pretty darned effective anti-technology weapon. If that was commonplace, you'd expect to see upscaled versions of the Jawa rifle mounted on just about every fighting vehicle in the world.
Then there's the Sand Crawler. I mean, yes, it looks primitive in a universe full of hover technology. But it's a far more practical design than any of those Imperial walkers, and it's also pretty much the biggest land vehicle seen in the entire trilogy. It's gigantic, it's powerful, and yet apparently it's well-designed enough to keep running in a desert (notoriously unkind to mechanical devices) with only a bunch of nomadic tinkerers to do the maintenance work.
We're supposed to believe the Jawas scavenged these hugely useful vehicles, but nobody else has them. Nobody else has anything like them. Can you imagine how the AT-ATs would have fared in the Battle of Hoth if the Rebels had fielded a couple of those things? They're big enough to carry their own shield generators, and you could load them with armour — they wouldn't even need guns, they could just roll up to the walkers and knock them down, then reverse over any crewmen who survived the initial crash.
So where the hell did all this come from? Simple: The Jawas scavenged it from the ruins of their own fallen cities. That's assuming the Jawa civilisation has fallen, and the ones we see on Tatooine aren't simply the down-and-out cousins of a vast star-spanning civilisation, so advanced that neither the Rebels nor the Empire can even detect their great worldships. This would also explain why they wear those all-concealing robes, hiding everything except their glowing eyes; they are higher beings, and mortals cannot comprehend their true form.
And if the Jawa civilisation does still exist — well, that explains the fall of the Empire. It was vengeance for the massacre of the droid-dealers on Tatooine.
- Alternatively Jawas are just a race of Tusken dwarves, who are a lot less aggressive.
- George Lucas pretty much openly admits Asimov's Foundation was a big inspiration for Star Wars, as well as taking inspiration directly from Asimov's inspirations in turn (namely The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire).
- The problem with this is that Asimov's Galactic Empire is our future, while Star Wars is "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away". Unless you want to play with the idea that Asimov's Galactic Empire is really an alternate universe on a different time line, so when they talk about Earth, it's not our Earth but some other. Then again, maybe the narrator is lying and it isn't "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away", which would explain how they have humans...unless maybe some Star Wars DNA managed to cross to our galaxy and land on Earth a few million years ago. As to how they speak English...I guess we have to assume that it is translated for us movie goers.
- No, see, if Star Wars was made as a pseudo-history of the Foundation, then naturally it would be something that happened a long time ago, from their perspective. From our place in history, it happened millions of years into the future, after the Empire and the Foundation's entire histories. It just happens that George Lucas's subconscious has predicted this future movie exactly.
- The problem with this is that Asimov's Galactic Empire is our future, while Star Wars is "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away". Unless you want to play with the idea that Asimov's Galactic Empire is really an alternate universe on a different time line, so when they talk about Earth, it's not our Earth but some other. Then again, maybe the narrator is lying and it isn't "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away", which would explain how they have humans...unless maybe some Star Wars DNA managed to cross to our galaxy and land on Earth a few million years ago. As to how they speak English...I guess we have to assume that it is translated for us movie goers.
- FACT: Person in Indiana Jones' suit is actually seen on Tatooine, in Episode I, watching Pod-racing.
- Jossed by the Expanded Universe novel The Paradise Snare
, which deals with Han's youth, among many other things. Of course, it is possible that Indiana Jones was somehow de-aged to the state of a child and his memories wiped (and Han does lack childhood memories)... but that, arguably, would make them two different personalities that kinda-sorta shared the same body.
- Too bad. It certainly would explain how he can get out of all those situations that no one could survive.
- Unless he's a Time Lord.
- Or Indy could be a descendant of Solo through the power of colony ships and uncanny family resemblance.
- Jossed by the Expanded Universe novel The Paradise Snare

- Impossible. He would have been sent to Padme's family if this were true. Owen's family has no blood connection to Luke, and their connection by marriage is to Anakin.
- OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!
- Then where's David Bowie?
- Even better. What if...?
- Only in some superevolved, benevolent stage.
The Start:
- The battle between Humans and Machines is a cycle that repeats itself over and over again in time.
- At the end of the series, the Humans land on our Earth and choose to forsake all technology. This is 150,000 before our present. Eventually humans rise in technology and create a sentient machine.
The Terminator:
- The entire Machine War is just another repetition of the BSG Cycle.
- John Connor leads the Resistance to victory over Skynet. However, the decades of radiation-induced genetic drift leads to humans developing the ability to access the One Power.
- Time exists as seven Ages. In each Age a specific set of events always occur, even if other details vary. There are certain people, souls, who always appear to drive these events. One of these is basically the Messiah who comes about whenever humanity is in dire need, and usually heralds the end of an Age- this soul is known as the Dragon.
- The First Age, our age, is implied to have ended in brutal warfare (the Machine War). John Connor was the Dragon for the First Age, and saved the human race while ushering in the Second Age.
- We know from Terminator Salvation that there are humans who don't believe the Resistance can defeat Skynet. A group of these people conspire to go back in time in order to escape the machines. They succeed, but mess up the space-time coordinates and end up on the planet that eventually becomes Coruscant.
Dune:
- During the Yuuzhan Vong War, a group of humans flees the galaxy. They end up in another galaxy utterly devoid of sentient life. They eventually build sentient machines. These machines enslave humanity (another repetition of the BSG Cycle). The humans rise up and annihilate the machines in a two-generation galactic war called the Butlerian Jihad. This causes the humans to forsake all powerful computers- including ones that could calculate FTL jumps. This leads to the Dune universe relying on spice that allows them to go faster-than-light.
Back to The Start:
There are two ways to end up back at BSG, one from Star Wars and one from Dune
Star Wars Path:
- Sometime in the millennia after the Yuuzhan Vong War, some great cataclysm utterly devastates the galaxy beyond all repair. Survivors flee to another galaxy and settle on a large habitable world. They call this world Kobol and the Thirteen Lords of it are the last members of the Jedi Order or other Force-using faction.
Dune Path:
- During the Butlerian Jihad, some humans flee the galaxy and end up on a planet called Kobol. It’s Thirteen Lords are the last Spacing Guild Navigators.
- My reaction to Kreia was "Someone left the Box of Pain and Gom Jabbar in her other robes."
The 'Furling' name needs a species.
Think about it. Humans and Jedi in particularwere killed out by a new breed of force-users that all could shoot lightning and throw people twenty yards: the vortigaunts. And what better crystal to use to start a resonance cascade than the high-energy Illium crystals the Jedi use to make lightsabers?Notice that the GLaDOS, the sentries, and Wheatley both come off with very droidtastic voices.
- Remember how in the halo universe humans came from another galaxy?
- The figures that match Clone Wars-era characters and vehicles were mostly the original autobots. For example:
- Obi-Wan's Starfighter=Optimus Prime
- Anakin's Starfighter=Bumblebee
- General Grievous' Starfighter=Megatron
- Grevious' Wheelbike=Soundwave
- The Various Jedi Starfighters=The original Autobot Cars/ mini-vehicles
- Magna Guard Starfighter=Seekers
- Cad Bane's Starfighter=Acid Storm (As he was basically an elite, green-colored Seeker)
- Slave 1=Axor (Not actually a G1 character; Looks just like a blue/purple Lockdown; see below)
- Darth Maul's Infiltrator=Sideways
- AT-TE=Omega Supreme (Captain Rex's), Omega Sentinels/Gaurdian Robots (Others)
- AAT tanks=Insecticons
- Republic Starfighters=Any flying Autobot, take you pick, though I pictured the "Space Whale" painted ARC-170 as Jetfire
- Original Trilogy figures are mostly characters from the 1986 movie:
- Obi-Wan's Blue Starfighter=Ultra Magnus
- Luke's X-Wing/Snowspeeder=Hot Rod
- Millenium Falcon:
- Han Solo half=Springer
- Chewbacca Half=Grimlock
- Darth Vader's Black Jedi Starfighter=Shattered Glass Bumblebee
- Vader's TIE Advanced=Cyclonus (The Alternate-colored version is "Armada")
- TIE Bombers=One is Scourge, the rest are sweeps
- AT-AT=Only one is a transformer, and it's Trypticon
- Slave-1=Lockdown (Axor was destroyed at some point and Lockdown, his mentor, shows up to replace him)
- Palpatine's shuttle=Galvatron (The Black-colored figure is Galvatron II from the comics)
- Death Star=Unicron (Obvious, really)
- The Decepticons join forces with the newly-formed Confederations of Independent Systems.
- The Decepticons tell CIS leaders about the Matrix of Leadership, which can serve as a near-endless supply of energy and is a powerful Force amplifier.
- A CIS leader comes out about the Decepticons and bluffs about having the Matrix
- A terrorist organization attacks a CIS outpost to search for the matrix.
- The attack fails, but the CIS denies knowing of any "Decepticons" or a "Matrix", and the leader is assassinated.
- A large ship, known as the "Ark", is found drifting through space by a Republic cruiser. The hibernating Autobots inside are awoken and side with the Republic. Not wanting another terrorist attack, the Autobots are declared a secret.
- At some point, Jango Fett begins to correspond with Decepticon Lockdown, who sends his protege to serve as Jango's partner.
- Darth Sidious partners his apprentice, Darth Maul, with a cybertronian named "Sideways". Due to his connection to an entity named "Unicron", Sideways is force-sensitive.
- The Cybertronians are bonded with various leaders and high-ranking officers on both sides. Some even receive Jedi or Sith training.
- Jango Fett is killed and Boba Fett becomes his partner.
- More Cybertronians come out of hiding and take sides.
- Order 66 is executed and Autobots are ordered to be captured or terminated.
- Decepticons and captured Autobots are reformatted into new Imperial forms.
- Some Autobots escape capture and go into hiding alongside Jedi
- Optimus Prime is destroyed, but passes the matrix on to his brother, Ultra Magnus, who goes underground
- The Emperor, failing to acquire the Matrix, summons Unicron's spark and stores it in the Death Star.
- Axor is destroyed and Lockdown replaces him as Boba Fett's partner.
- The Rebel Alliance is formed by Galen Marek and several Autobots join, including Ultra Magnus.
- Magnus is killed, and passes the matrix to hot rod, who is partnered with Luke Skywalker.
- Unicron is destroyed by Luke and Hot Rod
- Optimus is revived, and takes the form of the Millennium Falcon, and destroys Unicron, again.
- The Republic is restored, and the Decepticons exiled.
- Aliens are programs - they're often shallow stereotypes because they weren't programmed with a lot of personality. They also sometimes exhibit unlikely biology (not to mention the bad CGI).
- Jedis who become force ghosts actually left the Matrix, and come back from time to time. Force ghosts can still manipulate the Force, cause they're still alive outside the Matrix.
- Planets usually have a single biome because they're easier to render in detail. The machines don't really design entire planets - anyone who travels to Tatooine lands in the region around Most Eisley and Jabba's palace.
- Vehicles don't have wheels for a similar reason.
- Droids do most computer operating because that keeps humans from having too much understanding of machines - keeps them from fidning out the truth.
- The Jedi-Sith mythology was made up so that "chosen ones" would be busy fighting each other instead of causing trouble.
- Midichlorians are programs developed to keep track of them.
- R2-D2 is such a badass because the machines wanted a Creator's Pet.
- Surely you mean 6000-7000 years. 3000 years ago isn't Arda, it's already recorded history. As of "from when", this troper once jokingly wrote a fact sheet for her Silm fan fic protagonist. One of the facts stated that once upon a time, being in Morgoth's prison during the late First Age, he accidentally invented gunpowder and set it on fire. The resulted explosion threw him into the Galaxy Far Away (the Clone Wars era to be exact), where he learned the Jedi Code and used it as a base when he later invented Communism. Yes, that fact sheet is crazy like that.
- Naboo has Earth-like atmosphere, not to mention ducks are clearly visible in one scene.
- To be fair, Alderaan could also be Earth.
- Earth is the original home of the Human species. A group of refugees and dissidents from Earth commandeer a spacecraft and flee a computer-controlled society (a society which, apparently, will later become the setting of George Lucas's first film, THX 1138). They accidentally travel backwards through time and through intergalactic space to arrive in the Star Wars galaxy. American Graffiti, and possibly Willow are linked as well.
- Partially coroborrated in that there are many animals present in the galaxy canonically that exist here, horses exist on several planets and so do many types of fowl.
- Possibly, these are the same aliens who show up in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
- And the name of their species was "Whills".
- If the aliens left the humans on more than one habitable world, it could explain why nailing down the human homeworld is so difficult— humans just randomly appeared in the archaeological records of a bunch of worlds at once.
- And if the aliens took more than one prehistoric Human Subspecies (not just Homo sapiens, but also Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo sapiens idaltu, Homo florensis), and cross-bred or left populations of more than one on the same planet, it could explain how the humans of Star Wars are diversified into so many Near-Human subspecies.
- In all probability, universes where Hollywood films exist but Star Wars doesn't would actually outnumber the ones where Star Wars does exist. However, most of those universes would probably have science fiction franchises seen the same way Star Wars is seen in our own reality.
- And in one of those universes, a roleplaying game happens to have uncanny similartites to Star Wars' plot.
- There could be an infinite number of universes that are exactly the same as the Star Wars, except our freakish exception.
- According to Star Wars canon, its events take place "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away." No mention is made of it taking place in another universe. So the best assumption to make is that Star Wars is real in our universe, but not necessarily in any other.
- One could also see Star Wars as the monomythic depiction of the Death of the Author and the Birth of the Reader. Anakin Skywalker fulfils the prophecy to bring balance to the Force by accomplishing both of the above. The Reader is, naturally, Luke Skywalker, since the secret to Force Ghost-hood is to die in front of him.
- Alternatively, the "Reader" is C-3P0, reading and translating R2-D2's recording (not writing) of the events portrayed in the films to the Shaman of the Whills - who is William Shatner.
- Always thought it was an anagram for... Oh, nevermind.
- And the Expanded Universe continues this by giving Luke one woman after another. Have you noticed that Palpatine's interest in Anakin, Mara, and Luke more than qualifies him as a Depraved Bisexual with strong pedophilic tendencies?
- R2-D2 & C-3PO, the worlds most famous gay robots. That is all.
- And the in universe composer was probably someone like Jo'n Whillams.
- This was actually established in a Han Solo novel, where it's said to be the official miltary anthem.
- Confirmed in Solo where it's heard in an imperial recruitment video.
- Given how thoroughly devastating they are at cutting things, severing a limb is about the only non-lethal wound that a lightsaber can reasonably inflict. If you want to show somebody getting wounded but not deaded in lightsaber combat, you've pretty much got to chop something off. As for the prevalence of right hands getting the chop, that's because most people are right-handed — its the hand they're holding their weapon in, so its the hand an attacker is going to go for if he has for some reason decided to not just chop the enemy in half.
- Similarly, the Sith created all the aliens. That's why there are reptiles with breasts, carnivorous bunnies, and other craziness.
- Sooooo...Star Wars and Red Dwarf take place in the same universe?
- Or Wookieepedia.
- *knock knock knock* "Vader!" *knock knock knock* "Vader!" *knock knock knock* "Vader!"
- Now I got the image of Padme singing "Soft Kitty" to Anakin after he slaughtered the Sand People...

- Except Yoda isn't from Dagobah; nobody knows where he's from originally. Word of God states that when he landed on Dagobah in Revenge of the Sith (shown in a deleted scene) it was the first time he had been there.
- And Mark Hamill is Luke's cousin.
- Similarly, they suppressed the cortosis weave technology, ensuring the dominance of lightsabers.
- Nukes would look about as threatening as bows-and-arrows to the rest of the galaxy, considering that they have things like Death Stars and Sun Crushers. And why would they be afraid of psychotherapy? (Oh no, the Earthlings are going to help us quit smoking! Run for the hills!)
- Hey, don't knock bows-and-arrows. Those Ewoks helped prove to be the downfall of the Empire.
- Besides, why would they go to Earth? It's in a galaxy far, far away and extra-galactic travel is inconvenient at best. And why would they go there? When the Star Wars galaxy would be having its adventures and came to Earth, they'd either have to deal with real bows-and-arrows, or Atlantis.
- Lucas literally gave 0 input on that turkey. What we have here is 100% grade A Executive Meddling in TV special form.
- Forgive me if this list is a bit cynical, but it could be fun (realistically and non-sarcastically) thinking of what edits will be made to the final edition of Star Wars that George Lucas will push as the "definitive" edition and the one that should be remembered above all others as his finally-complete masterpiece:
- "Duel of the Fates" and "Battle of the Heroes" will play during the Luke vs. Vader duels (probably in ESB and ROTJ, respectively). This would actually be quite cool for a lot of people, but some would complain about it incessantly and declare it the new Han Shot First.
- If Hayden Christensen is old enough at the time, Sebastian Shaw as the unmasked Vader will be rotoscoped out and replaced with Christensen in prosthetic makeup, reciting Shaw's lines. (This would definitely be the new Han Shot First.)
- Alec Guinness' ghost will be replaced with Ewan McGregor. Lucas will make some excuse like "that was when he was most powerful in the Force". Padmé, Windu and other prequel characters might be added to ROTJ as ghosts as well.
- Expanding on the above two statements: there will be no "final cut" of Star Wars until all the prequel actors who played characters originally from the original trilogy (Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, whoever played Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith, etc.) are old enough to play the older incarnations of their characters. Then Lucas will completely replace Alec Guinness, Sebastian Shaw, Peter Cushing and others with the prequel actors (using redubbing, CGI face replacement and similar techniques) in order to tie both trilogies together better. I'm sure he's having fantasies about it right now.
- Han won't shoot at all! He'll just beg Greedo for mercy until - nah, just kidding. Greedo will shoot exactly 1 frame (more or less) before Han, so that fans can interpret it either way but so that it's ultimately (and canonically) Lucas' preferred scenario of Greedo shooting first.
- Ironically, Han not shooting at all is what happens in Adywan's recut version (Star Wars Revisited), in spite of it supposedly being "closer to canon" than the Special Edition. Neither of the two shoots at all, Greedo just spontaneously explodes.
- This is actually all based on a misunderstanding. Lucas has said that he never wanted Greedo to shoot first, he merely included that to preserve the PG-rating.
- Possibly (and hopefully so), but George Lucas recently said otherwise
. Twice
. He's pretty infamous for constantly changing his mind. Another possibility: instead of barely shooting just before Greedo, Han will ostentatiously shoot several seconds after Greedo just to drive Lucas' point home and show that he's always right.
- The puppet Yoda will be replaced with a CGI Yoda (one that resembles the puppet more than the prequel Yoda) in all shots.
- Lightsabers will constantly flip back and forth between being their correct colors and being odd color-time-error-caused colors such as hot pink for Darth Vader.
- It'll be in 3D, and unable to be viewed in 2D.
- If any additional scenes of Boba Fett are added, it'll be Temuera Morrison wearing the suit, especially if he takes his helmet off.
- Various Clone Wars characters will make cameos if they're still alive, and possibly Sam Witwer as a Starkiller (clone) non-speaking cameo as well.
- Dee Bradley Baker will voice all the stormtroopers, and a few of them might be retconned (possibly have rotoscoped markings on their armor) into clone commanders from the Clone Wars series such as Rex and Cody. Can you say "These aren't the droids you're looking for" in a crappy Australian accent?
- But the stormtroopers aren't clones, so he doesn't have any reason for it
- And afterwards, Lucas will then make prequel-style full remakes of the original trilogy and declare those to be the canon versions.
- Jossed: Lucas has sold Star Wars to Disney, and I think they're smart enough to not let his senility muck it up.
- Alternatively, they could have killed him on the day of his divorce — which was a cover up for his death, and then re-emerged when Star Wars was popular again following the success of the Thrawn trilogy and the Dark Horse Comics—which would be the perfect time to destroy his legacy.
- A Springtime for Hitler scenario if there ever was one: the Disney-era movies won back the crowd, with their main detractors being prequel fans.
- Jossed on the Springtime for Hitler scenario and the Win Back the Crowd claim with the massive Broken Base following the release of The Last Jedi, and to a lesser extent, the underwhelming reception to Solo.
- Well, there is that whole "reducing an entire planet to dust" thing, but yes, the Rebels aren't exactly squeaky clean heroes.
- I hear that in WWII there was this one power that destroyed whole cities (probably proportionate to the destruction of a planet in the Star Wars universe, given the apparent number of habitable planets) and yet was considered the good guys at the end of the war.
- The tragic Alderaan Attack was the action of a Rebel terrorist group, who spun the attack into a conpiracy theory by the Empire using a supposed "superweapon" that, conveniently, cannot be found. They also painted the Endor Space Puppy Breeding Station as a new "Death Star". You believe this crap?
- The Empire aren't Good Guys. They're evil, genocidal maniacs that construct superweapons willy nilly. It wasn't until Gilad Pellaeon ruled the Empire that they finally went to Grey then Neutral Good.
- Also, several holes in the theory; one.) C-3PO only used the god thing to persuade the ewoks not to kill his friends. He even told the truth after he secured their release. two.) The Death Star wasn't found because it was blown up; three, we see the superlaser on the death star II in action; four; palps tortures luke in a needlessly violent way and cackles while doing so, showing that he's a sadist; five; She tried to offer proof, but the Trade Federation deliberately blocked the motion; Also, Palps orchestrated one of the most devastating galactic wars in history just so that he could become emporer, showing that he didn't care about human life as long as he got power. Finally, According to all the important officials in Lucasfilm, the films are incontrovertable truth, and cannot be dismissed as propaganda; all else holds lesser status to the movies.
- Serious. Effin. Business.
- One: you can't believe anything the movies show - they're fictionalized propaganda. Two: Of course the important officials in Lucasfilm say the films are incontrovertable truth. They're the propagandists who made the films. That's like saying 'Goebbels must be telling the truth - Goebbels says he is.'
- George Lucas said that R2-D2 was retelling the series. And who did R2-D2 work for? The Jedi and the Rebel Allaince, and the former are known liars.
- American politics, probably world politics, is conventionally viewed as a never-ending tug-of-war between government and business. As author Bertram Gross put it in 1980, coincidentally, the same year The Empire Strikes Back came out. From the right, we are warned against the danger of state capitalism or state socialism, in which Big Business is dominated by Big Government. From the left, we hear that the future danger (or present reality) is monopoly capitalism, with finance capitalists dominating the state. However, Gross and other radical anti-imperialists argue, the truth is that in the United States and in the world at large, governmental and business forces work together to further their own interests at the expense of everyone else. According to Gross, Big Business and Big Government have been learning how to live in bed together, and despite arguments between them, enjoy the cohabitation. Who may be on top at any particular moment is a minor matter and in any case can be determined only by those with privileged access to a well-positioned keyhole. In his book, Friendly Fascism, Gross contends that the apparent battle between governmental and business interests primarily serves as a smokescreen for the fact that they are, in fact, in collusion to oppress the rest of humanity.
- Now we turn to the prequels and what do we see? On one side, the Republic, led by Chancellor Palpatine, who, in Attack of the Clones and even moreso in the Expanded Universe is shown to gather greater and greater executive power to himself, all in the name of reuniting the Republic, or course. Big Government? Check. On the other hand, you have the Separatists, led by Count Dooku. The Separatist movement's main backers? The Trade Federation, the Commerce Guild, the Corporate Alliance, the Techno Union, and the Intergalactic Banking Clan, among others. Hell, the whole invasion was because the Trade Federation balked at a taxation of free trade zones in the Outer Rim Territories. General Grievous’s flagship, the Invisible Hand, presumably comes from that favorite free-market idea: “The invisible hand of the market.� Big Business? Check. The kicker? The Separatists are secretly led by the Sith Lord Darth Sidious who is in reality, none other than Chancellor Palpatine of the Republic. So what this means is that while the clone wars are apparently an epic struggle between Big Government and Big Business they're actually about both sides accumulating power to Palpatine/Sidious, who, in Revenge of the Sith uses that accumulated power to declared himself Emperor, and convert the Republic into The Empire. So, secretly working together to oppress the people? Check. Spooky, ain't it?
- The whole pattern is Older than You Think. Since Star Wars is explicitly based on both The Roman Empire and Isaac Asimov's Roman Empire in SPACE, how can avoid being a comment on imperialism and the imperializing of a Republic? Why limit it to the present-day U.S., when it's a recurring theme throughout human history?
- Darth Ruin: Much like Darth Bane, this is a character initially made by George Lucas. In his mind(paraphrasing from Wookipedia here), he was a Jedi Knight who founded the Sith 2000 years ago. There's very little about him in the EU despite supposedly being important, so it'd work well if he was adapted into canon(though since canon also states the Sith have been around for more than 2000 years, the timing would have to change).
- KOTOR: We've already had Malachor canon-ized, and some KOTOR allusions. Indeed, Season 6 considered having Revan appear with Bane. It won't be elaborated too much/some details will have to be changed due to canonicity issues and to prevent the Broken Base from getting too testy.
- Rakata: Rakata Prime is a canon planet, after all.
- Galactic Federation of Free Alliances: It's the government that was built after the fall of the New Republic of Legends, and the canon New Republic is going to need something in its place after the First Order crushed it in the Sequel Trilogy.
- A modified version is suggested within the Expanded Universe by Mara Jade in Zahn's Hand Of Thrawn series, and implied to be correct. The Force itself provides guidance to all but the least sensitive. However, use of the more impressive or powerful Force techniques deafens the user and those around him or her to the Force's guidance, explaining both the in-universe Evil Idiot Ball and the tendency for power fluctuations.
- Exposure to the Force makes someone easily suggestible and/or crazy? I see a distinct parallel with Warhammer 40,000's Warp. Maybe Star Wars is a story about how the Imperium of Man fell to its current state? After all, there is the way that there doesn't seem to be any "new" technology in Star Wars, which could easily escalate to the New Technology Is Evil behavior of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
- That WMG actually strikes this troper as close to being canon. Using the Force seems to be akin to riding the outer edge of a giant whirlpool, and it explains why there's really no such thing as a "gray Jedi": either you live an extremely strict and disciplined life to constantly balance the pull towards the Dark Side, or you slip up and get sucked right into the heart of it before you know what's happened. The Jedi are so strict about emotions because they know that using the Force means you always have one foot on the slope towards With Great Power Comes Great Insanity.
- "The force is strong in him," not "He is strong in the force."
- One problem. The Light Side is used for knowledge and defense, the Dark Side is used to gain power and attack. Dark Side definitely fucks up the user's mind, as it makes them aggressive, but there is no proof the Light Side does that. In fact, the very act of using the Light Side requires complete stability, focus and harmony, and serenity, which is not something an insane person has.
- I believe you've hit the nail on the head there sir. Unless, of course, the Jedi are aware of the madness induced by Force use. In that case one could argue that their training, and especially their focus on the traits you mentioned, are a method of harm reduction. In fact you could argue that the Jedi council was originally created as a kind of Xavier's mansion, teaching young people to control the powers they were born with.
- While training is needed to control it, I doubt it causes madness (because there is no proof, and it pisses on one of the key plot points). Inability to cope with it might cause madness, but not the Force itself.
- It would explain why the Jedi recruited potential Force users as young children, and with the blessing of a democratic government. It's a preventative measure.
- One problem. The Light Side is used for knowledge and defense, the Dark Side is used to gain power and attack. Dark Side definitely fucks up the user's mind, as it makes them aggressive, but there is no proof the Light Side does that. In fact, the very act of using the Light Side requires complete stability, focus and harmony, and serenity, which is not something an insane person has.
- This is why the Jedi were confident that the Sith were the inbalance in the force: not because they are evil (though that does help), but because they use it without restraint.
- Not to mention Obi Wan's voice continuously echoing throughout his head - it's Obi Wan trying to snap Luke out of it.
- Again, undos the whole story, and makes it less interesting. Plus, the Tantive 4 sequence happened before they got roasted. So the princess plot would happen. Why is there an obsessive need to mess with the core saga aspects?
- The funny thing is, that's actually the canonical explanation for why Admiral Daala is so stupid. The jury's still out on Anakin, though.
- And as I've noted in Fridge Brilliance, neither Anakin nor Padme have had an opportunity to develop into normal people, with Anakin beginning to train as a Jedi, essentially entering a monastic order, at age nine, and Padme being thrust into the world of politics as a teenager, possibly younger. - Premonition45
- Exactly. They wouldn't know love if it smacked them in the face. They felt physical attraction to each other, and all it took was a gentle push from Palpatine to make them think it was something deeper.
- Near the end of Episode III, his mental enslavement of her was finally broken by Obi-Wan when he met her at her apartment on Naboo. His presence on Mustafar kept Anakin from re-establishing his spell over her, so he Force-choked her out of frustration.
- Sure, we know that the Jedi Mind Trick only works on the weak minded, but the person who assures Padme that she is too strong minded to fall for it is Anakin himself, who is hardly objective and might well simply be flattering her.
- Or lying so she won't guess.
- Another similar theory is that Anakin did to Padme what Joruus C'Boath did to General Covell, withdrawing his influence from her when he thought she betrayed him was enough to make her brain "simply shut down" and lose the will to live.
- The worst part is Anakin doesn't even realize he's doing it. He's so obsessed with her as a lover and as a surrogate mother figure that he subconsciously uses his massive Force powers to manipulate her in an effort to keep her with him, to avoid losing her the way he lost his mother.
- This is called Control Mind, a Dark Side ability that lets the user influence and take over people's minds. It wouldn't be out of place in Anakin's slide to evil-and as the troper above noted, he might not even be fully aware of doing it, with his attraction to Padme subconsciously making him wish she returned his feelings, causing the effect.
- Sure, we know that the Jedi Mind Trick only works on the weak minded, but the person who assures Padme that she is too strong minded to fall for it is Anakin himself, who is hardly objective and might well simply be flattering her.
- Obi-Wan didn't remember owning any droids.
- That's because he didn't own them. They both belonged to Anakin. POV strikes again...
- So what about that red R4 unit that got its head sawed off at the beginning of ROTS?
- The droid and the ship were the property of the Jedi collectively?
- He probably didn't own the droid any more than a fighter pilot owns the computer system that runs his jet. That was military property.
- Individual Jedi, according to the ROTS novel, are specifically banned from owning anything besides their clothes and sabers. Of course Obi-Wan didn't remember owning any droids, all that Obi-Wan actually owned throughout his entire career was a lightsaber, a few sets of Jedi robes, a breath mask, and a rock.
- And he had to share the rock!
- That's because he didn't own them. They both belonged to Anakin. POV strikes again...
- Word of god confirms that the films are completely accurate. As for the top general mocking Vader; only one does it, and after Vader uses the throat choke the general doesn't dare insult him again. Also, Vader is seen throttling officers with impunity to the point where they practically wet their pants at the prospect of failing him. As for Vader's role being inflated; he's the second in command of the Emperor. He's the second most powerful man in the whole Empire. The role he has in the films is not at all inflated. 3.) Luke and Obi Wan were not the leaders, nor is their any evidence that they had an effect on rebel policy. It was always a political movement. At best, Luke was a soldier who took orders and who happened to be a Jedi. 4.) The destruction of the second death star was definitely a final win, seeing as the two leaders died, and the Sith chain of succession was "if we die then as far as we care the galaxy can go fuck itself." meaning all the leaders essentially started to fight each other and tear each other to pieces. The first death star: well you've just won your first major victory against impossible odds. I'd be happy too 5.) Why do people try to downplay Palpatine? We all know he's a Sith, he's shown his dark abilities in action many many times. He is a Sith. I'm for fanon, but pissing on the core aspects of the saga without proof is just silly. 6.) Han is a smuggler. Same as before. Look, I respect fanon, but it should not completely disregard the core elements without proof. There is a difference between fanon and trying to rewrite the whole saga for shits and giggles.
- I'm not entirely certain you understand the concept of WMG.
- What he ^ said.
- Word of god confirms that the films are completely accurate. As for the top general mocking Vader; only one does it, and after Vader uses the throat choke the general doesn't dare insult him again. Also, Vader is seen throttling officers with impunity to the point where they practically wet their pants at the prospect of failing him. As for Vader's role being inflated; he's the second in command of the Emperor. He's the second most powerful man in the whole Empire. The role he has in the films is not at all inflated. 3.) Luke and Obi Wan were not the leaders, nor is their any evidence that they had an effect on rebel policy. It was always a political movement. At best, Luke was a soldier who took orders and who happened to be a Jedi. 4.) The destruction of the second death star was definitely a final win, seeing as the two leaders died, and the Sith chain of succession was "if we die then as far as we care the galaxy can go fuck itself." meaning all the leaders essentially started to fight each other and tear each other to pieces. The first death star: well you've just won your first major victory against impossible odds. I'd be happy too 5.) Why do people try to downplay Palpatine? We all know he's a Sith, he's shown his dark abilities in action many many times. He is a Sith. I'm for fanon, but pissing on the core aspects of the saga without proof is just silly. 6.) Han is a smuggler. Same as before. Look, I respect fanon, but it should not completely disregard the core elements without proof. There is a difference between fanon and trying to rewrite the whole saga for shits and giggles.
With the Sith still running on the Rule of Two, there was going to be no more than two Sith at any given time. So they take the twins - put one with adoptive foster parents who would change her name, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political protocol training as well as the rigid duty and emotional control indoctrination (everything but the Force and lightsaber training). The other, dump him with Anakin's stepbrother on Anakin's home planet, don't bother changing his name, and basically leave him as a naive, untrained kid with massive Force potential.
If Anakin made a grab for his boy, Palpatine would probably challenge it, which would lead to a lethal confrontation. If Palpatine made a grab for the boy, it would still lead to a lethal confrontation (because Anakin is very protective of what's his). If Anakin didn't find out and was just too put off by Tatooine to search there, they could just train the boy as a Tyke-Bomb and send him at the Sith for the same "divide and conquer" result. Either way, they'd be down one Sith with the other weakened and easier to finish off...while still keeping the real money on the carefully-hidden Leia.
- It is also possible that the Death Star seen at the end of Revenge of the Sith is actually Death Star II, the construction of which was always plagued with problems, inasmuch even after 40 years the outer structure is still not complete (though the weapons are operational). Later, the much smaller "Death Star I" was built from scratch, to greater success.
- Word of God also says that the first Death Star took eighteen years to build, while the second, much larger Death Star only took four. It's still Word of God, but obviously Star Wars is ruled by a crazy God.
- Apparently the first Death Star was plagued by non-stop slave insurgencies and sabotage. Plus, it was the first, so they haven't built anything like that before, and the DSII was also largely unfinished. Comparing to other instances of Word of God, this one is hardly silly.
- The first Death Star was built when the Empire was just consolidating its power and the galaxy had just suffered a brutal civil war. The second was built at the height of its power. Also, there are quite a few discrepancies over the size of Death Star II; some sources give its diameter as 900 km, some as 160 km, etc.
- In one of the myriad Expanded Universe tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina, a pair of characters (who were looking to hire Han Solo until Kenobi and Skywalker bought his services) hijack an imperial transport ship that is revealed to be carrying a component of the second Death Star's superlaser, revealing that it was indeed under construction by the time the first Death Star was completed.
- Even by just going with the movies, the quicker time period does make some sense. When they built the first Death Star, all they had to go on was the blueprints to make it. Even with the resources of the galaxy, trying to build something like the Death Star would be stupidly difficult. Once they completed it, they knew exactly what they needed to do to make another one.
- Number of Jedi before Order 66: over 10,000. Number of Jedi after Order 66: less than 100. A 99+% successful operation isn't half bad.
- The success of an operation depends on its objective. If the objective is to eradicate 100% of the Jedi (and they must be "all destroyed"), then 99% is still a fail.
- This wasn't the first time in the EU where the Jedi had been "wiped out." Just play Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. However, this doesn't support or counter your WMG.
- Let's see the survivors: Obi-Wan, Yoda, Rahm Kota, Paratus, Shaak Ti, Marris Brood, Kento Marek, Olee Starstone, and probably more that I haven't read about. While the Jedi were few in number, it still meant the downfall of the Empire. If I were the Emperor, I'd blame the Stormtroopers for their incompetence and failure.
- Quinlan Vos too.
- The survivors of the Jedi were their most powerful, experienced, and talented. Aren't those the people who logically should survive a massacre? As to Yoda's survival, Palpatine's got no one to blame but himself for that one: he fought the little green dude directly, and failed to land a solid enough hit.
- Wait, Shaak Ti survived? In the Lego Star Wars game, Anakin cut off her head in the Jedi Temple.
- Play The Force Unleashed. She gets officially killed in that game.
- The scene in the Lego Star Wars game is based off of one of the two deaths that was planned for Shaak Ti in Revenge of the Sith, but both got cut from the film.
- Supported partially by Lucas, whose stated that R2 is telling the story of the movies to the keeper of the Journal of the Whills about 100 years after they took place.
- And the movies are essentially valued history files to Nat, Kol and Cade...actually wait, that's a pretty awesome idea!
- The Expanded Universe is what R2-D2 couldn't have recorded, so its untrustworthy as a historical source...and thus, explaining why none of it is considered canon by Lucas.
- The Jedi are Presbyterian, of course. How else would you explain Anakin getting made by the Presbyterian Church?
- Alternatively, the Sith are Presbyterian, and Anakin was subconsiously catching onto the idea that Darth Sidious created him.
- I must be an insufficient student of Catholicism. I don't get it.
- It's a joke about all the Popes and anti-Popes.
- Pope Benedict XVI's resemblance to Darth Sidious doesn't help either.
- Only two (sith) there must be, no more, no less. A Master and an Apprentice. There were Thirteen founders of Catholicism, with one redacted due to his betrayal.
- Ah, but several of the historical Sith empires didn't care what your race was, what mattered was if you had merit, their was no "sorry mr. Mon Calamari, but even though you can beat Darth Human easily you can't be a Lord because your not human" provision.
- The Sith only care that the galaxy exists in an Empire controlled by the strong; they have various interpretations as to what constitutes "strongest", which may or may not correspond to species depending upon individual Sith.
- Artistic License – Physics.
- Time from posting to someone completely missing the point: 20 days.
- Artistic License – Physics.
- Almost confirmed in Dark Times comic series. Vader thinks about Palpatine having clone troopers behind Skywalker's back to kill him. So, Vader asks clone commander Vill if Palpatine had indoctrinated the stormtroopers with a Contingency Order to kill him. Vill's hesitation to answer this question confirmed Vader's suspicions. He pushed the clone off a cliff, ensuring that his query would not reach the Emperor. Yesm Anakin had to live not only without his family in a horrible armour, but also with paranoia about being easily killed by his own stormtroopers, just like the Jedi generals were killed by theirs.
- Maybe he let Luke blow up the Death Star. That took out a LOT of potential assassins.
- While the most of the Separatist army was probably destroyed, it's likely that the remaining separatists bankrolled the Rebellion.
- The dialogue between the various non-droid characters is stilted, awkward, and at times almost robotic as if its written by someone who has trouble replicating natural human conversation.
- The depiction of the Jedi's use of the force is positive, but still far more scientific and logical (acting as super powers) rather than a mystical phenomenon.
- Artoo frequently appears as the most consistently intelligent and capable hero (barring possibly Obi-Wan) in the movies; getting an unlikely commendation in TPM, chosen as the companion for Padme and Anakin for no real reason in AOTC, and easily taking out battle droids in ROTS. Throughout the trilogy he seems to gain new powers as the plot demands (rockets, spitting oil), is witness to all the major events, and we never see him getting a hint of the casual discrimination droids supposedly do receive in the galaxy.
- C-3PO is made to look foolish or irrelevant at so many points in the story; whether its his parts showing, getting his head switched with a battle droid's, and getting his memory erased. In every movie its clear that he's far less helpful than his astromech counterpart.
Hence the entirely prequel story is his rather distorted take on historical events with him assisting Anakin and Obi-Wan, even though Kenobi not only doesn't recognize him, but points out he never even owned a droid. The fact is, there were actual Clone Wars and the Emperor did rise to power, but chances are they hold little resemblance to what we saw. R2 and 3PO were actually off in their own minor adventures while all of this was occurring.
- Technically, Jedi aren't supposed to own anything except their lightsabres and their clothes. Obi Wan never has owned a droid. All the droids he's ever used were on loan from the Order or the Republic.
- Is that the case in pre-Phantom Menace canon however? Even if it is Kenobi at no point gives any strong impression that he seems familiar to him. Given Artoo's insistence on Obi-Wan being his former master, the little droid is either lying or a has very loose interpretation of the concept of ownership.
- Or perhaps he was so insistant because he realised that Obi-Wan was the most likely person to oppose Anakin & Palpatine and help the Skywalkers, and he knew Luke was Anakin's son, so he was bringing Luke to him so Obi-Wan could train him. That Obi-Wan would be likely to help the Alliance was just a bonus. This also means that R2 was The Chessmaster.
- Is that the case in pre-Phantom Menace canon however? Even if it is Kenobi at no point gives any strong impression that he seems familiar to him. Given Artoo's insistence on Obi-Wan being his former master, the little droid is either lying or a has very loose interpretation of the concept of ownership.
- This is, believe it or not, demi-canon (from a non-canonical source, but not yet contradicted by canon). There was one alternate-timeline comic where Han crashlanded on Earth shortly after one of the original movies and the wreckage was found by Indiana Jones decades later; the chronometer on the Falcon and the time elapsed since the crash, combined with the date Indy found it, places the events of the original trilogy in the early 1800s, around 1817 or so.
- You didn't wait for me to check the timeline. xD I was going to say that it happened about 60 years ago, in a galaxy far, far away. And then go on to mention that coincidentally, the Destiny should be arriving in a galaxy far, far away sometime soon...
- Yoda's speech doesn't have a set word order. Rather than chalking this up to scriptwriter laziness, we can assume that this is actually how Yoda speaks. This suggests that in Yoda's native language, word order doesn't matter as much as cases
and verb conjugations do. This means that the language is highly fusional
.
- Yoda's sound set is quite similar to modern English, but isn't quite.
- This could actually be plausible. Male minds generally tend to be oriented more to logic, while female minds are oriented more to emotions (according to some study or other), and as the Force draws power from emotions, more emotional minds might have a higher concnetration of latent Force (or something), thus giving them a higher resistance to Force effects such as the mind trick.
- Jossed as of Star Wars: Obi-Wan & Anakin, Part II.
- Also Jossed as of actual science; such studies as cited above tend to be highly dubious and culturally-specific (in the Middle East the stereotype used to be that men were naturally more emotional, artistic and poetic while women did better with the practical stuff (naturally arts and poetry were much more important and prestigious than practical stuff...)
back to the force users called jedi who have decided to live in territory of the non aggression agreement are a group with a few rules essentially don't care what you do or think as long as it doesn't get us kicked out of our sanctuary. with them probably living on a force nexus the group gets stronger and deeper than any other group essentially their averages are stronger than your averages so eventually a certain stance on a political or moral group looks at all of the chaos these non force users (so not MY people) are doing to themselves and eventually form the thought of the dark side and seeing as their on a force nexus they spread when they break off those still in the first group later called jedi try and combat this betrayal and create a counter argument the light side. and thus the conflict was born.
midiclorians are just how you access the force
Well, how about the possiblility that the genetic source material has been corrupted over the period since the prequels, leading to developmental disorders that ultimately lead them retarded? Obviously, if you have clones, they're mass produced to order, and over the period of the twenty or so years between the trilogies, it's possible that the DNA has been corrupted, or the mental conditioning process used to produce them has been slackened in some instances due to complacency. The Empire keeps using them due to their feared reputation alone, regardless of how true that reputation is in practice, because there isn't any threat to its power it considers serious enough. It is already apparent that the Empire, and the Emperor himself are over-confident in their own abilities and don't see the Rebellion as possibly succeeding; plus, that they have Death Star level superweapons makes them unstoppable, right? So what's the big deal if a few of your crack troops aren't up to the job? (Erm, a lot of course...)
Many fans generally agree that the prequel trilogy was a mess, with the Anakin/Padme romance being contrived, and plot points being forced. Maybe they could have made it epic if the writers and producers had tweeked some details and gone a different direction after The Phantom Menace.
In The Phantom Menace, when Anakin leaves his mother, he says something along the lines of "I'll come back some day and free the slaves." Make that his primary goal throughout the series instead of his love for Padme. When he leaves Tatooine, instead of finding a noble republic decaying under its vastness and slowly being taken over from within, he finds a society that is just as dangerous and oppressive as the one he left behind. Instead of a real republic, make it some kind of twisted fusion of a feudal government and alliance for mutual security; it has been shown in the movies that some form of earth-like aristocracy is present across multiple systems: Padme is a queen, Leia is a princess, and while Tatooine is not part of the Republic, don't tell me that the Hutt crime lords don't give off a dictator vibes. While the Jedi try to keep the peace and bring some semblance of justice to the people inside the bounds of the law, they are spread too thin. Trying to change it for the better from within, Anakin ends up getting in too deep, and Palpatine promises that with his guidance, he can change the system and leads him down the path of the dark side. When Obi-Wan confronts and is able to defeat him, Anakin realizes that he has been controlled and manipulated all along becomes a broken man, giving in to the dark side and truly becoming Darth Vader, unable to liberate the people, his friends, his family, or even himself. Palpatine has the Jedi assassinated one by one, they're brutal deaths inspiring some of the people they helped to form a rebellion in their honor. Age Anakin up a few years, to around sixteenish, so that he can start the relationship with Luke and Leia's mother immediately instead of waiting for ten years.
- Alternatively Anakin was originally meant to be more as he appeared in The Star Wars comic series; not a virgin-birth Chosen One but the son of a retired Jedi, having grown up on the frontier worlds, scarred by the death of his younger brother and disfigurement of his father at the hands of a Sith Lord.
- But we have
seen wheels.
Though maybe wheels are a recent invention and there is too much leg-based infrastructure to easily switch over.
- Walkers were built to look like giant attacking beasts; for psychological warfare, not military effectiveness. The Empire never expected to face an actual military threat to their rule.

- This makes total sense and has the advantage of getting rid of the clunky "backup hyperdrive" retcon for the Falcon's trip. It also puts it in keeping with the standard dual-system FTL often seen in sci-fi, like that found in Elite: Dangerous, Eve Online, and Mass Effect. Heck, it's just about the only explanation for the Mandalorian issue.
- It'll be revealed that George Lucas has spent decades trying to figure out what he should do with Yoda. And, like Tolkien's Silmarilion, it will be released after his death
- Going on my "Sith Wars Trilogy" theory, Alderaan will be the home planet of the main hero of that trilogy.
- The Bothans will start in a Republic-style film serial. Those sometimes featured one character dying each episode, and the last survivor would deliver the information to Mon Mothma.
- Skywalker Doctrine: Formed from what’s left of the Resistance and surviving Jedi following the Battle Of Ach To. They have good intentions but some lower ranking members wonder if they have strayed to far from the original goals of the Rebellion.
- End goal: Set up a peaceful new order throughout the galaxy.
- Political Leader: Janus Antilles
- Military Leader: Chewbacca
- Power scale 675/1000
- New Mandalorian Federation: Consists of Mandalore and the closest planets and moons. Being a Proud Warrior Race, the leaders are chosen through Trial by Combat ever since the Darksaber went missing so infighting is fairly common. Their fighting style emphasizes quality over quantity. If they have one weakness in addition to the infighting, it’s that they are rather unfocused with no real end goal.
- End Goal: N/A
- Political Leader: Walsten Styxus
- Military Leader: Zodava “Bulletfist” Kryze
- Power Scale: 700/1000
- Mon Cala Republic: Consists of Mon Cala and a few other planets.
- Darth Maul
- Ahsoka Tano
- Both are Jossed. It is actually Cham Syndulla.
- Jossed. He force pulls Luke's lightsaber away and gets attacked before they get a chance to duel.
- Confirmed.
- Princess Leia miniseries begins from the very end of A New Hope, as revealed by the preview showing the award ceremony.
- First to issues of Star Wars: Skywalker Strikes.
- First issue of Darth Vader.
- After this, Marvel's Star Wars and Darth Vader lines will take place simultaneously.
- Heir to the Jedi will take place within the year before The Empire Strikes Back. It was originally intended to end the Empire and Rebellion trilogy that takes place 2 ABY, but it is now a standalone novel.
- It actually looks like the order right after A New Hope is as follows: Princess Leia miniseries, Heir to the Jedi novel, Skywalker Strikes parts I and II two weeks after A New Hope, and Darth Vader 1 right after.
- The problem is this does not fit the sequence of events in the film itself:
- The Falcon makes her close pass at Avenger's bridge.
- Needa immediately issues orders to track them for their next pass.
- A member of the sensors crew alerts him that the Falcon no longer appears on their scopes.
- Needa is incredulous, pointing out the Falcon couldn't have disappeared.
- The first crewman's report is corroborated by a second crewman
- Before Needa can respond the communications officer reports that Vader is requesting an update on the pursuit.
- Needa orders his first officer to continue searching the area before departing for his fateful meeting with Vader.
- At no point does Needa even have an opportunity to do anything after the Falcon vanishes. Vader contacts him within moments of her disappearance, and you don't put the Dark Lord on hold to run sensor scans.