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- Jossed.
- To lend credence to this theory, there is evidence that Disney did some filming in Iceland, and word on the street is that the planet it's meant to represent isn't Hoth.
- With news that the First Order had this ice planet turned into their new base/superweapon called Starkiller Base, it is reasonable to assume that this planet used to be Rhen Var until these new guys came along to turn it into their stronghold.
- Jossed. It was Ilum.
- Even regarding the Canon Discontinuity status of the old EU, there seems to be significant evidence
that Mara Jade might be involved in future Star Wars projects as an Unexpected Character after all! To summarize the main points of the article:
- The "Legends" announcement said that it will not tell the same story as post-Jedi works. However, that does not mean that absolutely nothing from the Expanded Universe will be integrated into the film and/or spin-offs, and the Lucasfilm Story Group behind the new Expanded Universe have even said that they would be willing to let the writers use old EU material for inspiration.
- In the rough draft for Lucas's planned Sequel Trilogy, he specifically said that Luke would have a romantic companion. For the movie currently being made, it's strongly implied by the whole Passing the Torch theme that both the production itself and the actual movie seem to carry would be supported by Luke having a wife and child(ren).
- When asked about shaving her head for Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) (a film also produced by Disney), actress Karen Gillan (a redhead) noted that her long hair was to be turned into a wig that was specifically given to the Star Wars creative team. Curious, considering Mara's hair is red and fairly long.
- Due to Executive Meddling, Hasbro has been instructed not to create new action figures based on the old Expanded Universe or re-release old figures based on Expanded Universe toys... With the sole exception of Mara Jade, who appears in Hasbro's current "Black Series" line. This would strongly imply that Disney has plans for her.
- Rumors indicate that Mara Jade will indeed be appearing in Star Wars Rebels as a way to tie the show to Episode VII, given that she works for the Empire during that time. Whether or not this is happening before or after the release of the movie is up for debate, but it would allow for a greater link between non-film content and the films themselves than Star Wars: The Clone Wars did for the prequels (The Clone Wars, incidentally, re-worked a lot of the Expanded Universe to fit into canon, which is a lot like Disney's approach). It also wouldn't be the first time Lucasfilm Animation pulled an Unexpected Character into the mix - remember Darth Maul?
- Of the above rumors, one of them posits that Mara Jade will be introduced as a Walking Spoiler-type character in Episode VII that will not be advertised until after the film is released, and will be introduced in Rebels as a major character. Said rumor also states that the actress playing the character is being kept under wraps - not inconceivable when you consider that Domhnall Gleeson managed to keep the fact that he was cast from his family for weeks, and that a pair of new actresses were announced a while after the initial cast was revealed. It also wouldn't be the first time that Disney kept a major plot twist under wraps to a degree that nobody spoiled it until after the movie came out.
- A novel based on Imperial leader Grand Moff Tarkin is rumored to feature Mara Jade (an in the Expanded Universe, he was one of the few who knew about the Emperor's Hand, the group she was associated with), and a Luke Skywalker novel is slated for him to have an as-of-yet mysterious unknown female companion. The possibility's still out there.
- Domhnall Gleeson bears some resemblance to Mark Hamill, and it's possible that he may be his kid in the movie. But the cherry on top is that he has red hair, and that he (a less famous actor) was chosen over more famous actors (Ryan Gosling and Alex Pettyfer) for the role.
- Sigourney Frickin' Weaver (also a redhead) apparently talked with J. J. Abrams about potentially having a role in the film. Mara Jade is close to Luke Skywalker's age in the Expanded Universe, and Sigourney Weaver's age is close to Mark Hamill's.
- Last and least, Mara Jade was a major Ensemble Dark Horse in the Expanded Universe, having been featured consistently in nearly 25 years' worth of Star Wars works. Keep in mind that less important EU characters made their way into The Clone Wars. Not to mention that Rebels now has Thrawn, another of Timothy Zahn's most well-known additions to the Legends continuity. It sets precedent at the very least.
- The wig part of the theory may not hold water anymore, at least according to this
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- The wig part of the theory may not hold water anymore, at least according to this
- Jossed.
- God damnit, Barb!
- Jossed.
- Episode VII – Get a democratic government in place, stomp out what is remaining of the empire standing in the way of this, introduce a subplots about Luke and Leia trying to find out the identity of their mother and Leia learning the basics of the force.
- Episode VIII – Gov established, Leia struggling with being overwhelmed by commitments to both her brother and the shaky new government, Han Solo does something, Luke&Leia learn the identity of their mother. and there's problems with the old imperial guards. Luke meets a redheaded ex guard who wholeheartedly believes in the empire…
- Episode IX – One notable difference between the EU and these movies is that it is ambiguous whether or not Mara Jade is force sensitive or not. She shows hint's of the clairvoyance associated with force wielders - she has fast reflexes and talents developed as if on instincts – but there is no reference to her being trained in a position such as one of the emperor's hands and it is never under consideration for her to be trained by Luke, and she never shows any of the flashy powers such as being able to communicated with the souls of dead Jedi or telekinesis, nor does she ever pick up a lightsaber. Anyways, Luke manages to convince her that while it has its problems, freedom and democracy is better than the empire. Leia figures out how to cope, and the line about Padme and her family comes to and end when Luke and Leia meet her family: her parents (if they haven't died of old age) her sister, and nieces, they're given personalities instead of existence like from the deleted scene in Episode II.
- Confirmed. The old EU was declared non-canon.
- Jossed. He returns in Epsiode IX.
- Pretty much Jossed as the word is that she's playing an orphaned scavenger making a living in a junkyard on Tatooine. She will have no connection to Han or Leia so has nothing in common with Jaina. Who was their daughter and lived on Coruscant.
- Unless there is some reason she was split up with them. It just seems too obvious that they picked an actress that looks somewhat like Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman only to not be related.
- Possibly backed up by this interview with JJ Abrams
. Here, scenes between Rey and Han are described as "sweet" while scenes between Finn and Han are described as tense and funny. Doesn't that sound a lot like a father meeting his daughter's new boyfriend?
- Although if certain rumors and recent pieces of merchandise are to be believed Finn is Lando's son
which could easily explain his and Han's awkward dynamic.
- Jossed.
- Anakin will probably make an appearance as a reoccurring force ghost like Obi-wan did.
- Or we could have a series of GCW-era flashbacks where "evil armored Vader" appears, for the sake of having Darth Vader be a prominent presence in the movie and justifying his having a zillion different action figures in the Episode VII toyline.
- Concept art showing Darth Vader's burned helmet has circulated around the internet. While Anakin Skywalker is dead, the iconic armor of Darth Vader may live on. Of course, Anakin could pop up again as a Force Spirit.
- Jossed. He only appears as a vocal cameo in Rise of Skywalker.
- Alternatively...
- He deliberately sends a clone to oversee the Vader vs. Luke battle and that clone died instead and he went into hiding with any remnants.
- People in-the-know have called bullshit on the Latino-Review theory that supported this, but it's yet to be seen if it's officially debunked.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The Republc gets wiped out.
- Hopefully Anakin/Vader will appear in some fashion, whether it be a flashback or as a Force Ghost.
- Confirmed in ''The Last Jedi, though the others make vocal cameos
- Possibly confirmed (though I'd take this with a mountain of salt) I remember reading somewhere during early production that Ewan McGregor was in talks with the company to reprise his role as Obi-Wan (or in this case, his Force Ghost) in one of the upcoming films. This was years ago and I can't find the source, so don't take this as fact.
- Jossed. He only makes vocal cameos.
- You have to keep in mind that at the time he made that statement, he'd undergone a divorce that induced a Creator Breakdown. He's Happily Married now, and given that Anakin and Padme tied the knot in Episode II, marriage is still within the realm of possibility Not to mention that his perception of his "vision" has changed quite a bit over the years.
- The main cast has been announced, and the only woman in Episode VII apart from Carrie Fisher is Daisy Ridley, who is much younger than Mark Hamill. I doubt that they would be married. If they were, it would be gross.
- Several more women have since been cast, so it's possible he may have been married during the Time Skip, and there might be an actress whose presence in the film hasn't been revealed yet. Or, possibly, that Luke's wife died offscreen after bearing children.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. He never married.
- Partially confirmed. It's only shown in a flashback being destroyed.
- Unknown either way.
- Traitorous apprentices is standard operating procedure for the Sith. Plagueis knew what's coming since he signed up. No reason to be pissed off about it.
- Jossed,
- The Power of Anger. ("Fear leads to anger.")
- Attack of the Clones and The Empire Strikes Back both refer to attacking or retaliating. The same could apply with episode VIII.
- Going with this, the title will be Charge of the Dark to fit with the theme of the Sequel Trilogy being more focused on the nature of the Force and the title of the previous film explicitly referencing the Force. This title references the Dark Side of the Force.
- Return of the Empire Could deal with the return of the Empire but in a more enticing form. Strict , but fair. Powerful but even handed. Composed of multiple planets and races , the new Republic could run the risk of losing to the more attractive lure of Order and peace by any means. When planets start defecting to the Empire willingly the Republic must question what lines it will cross to maintain its mandate.
- Into Darkness, No, Really, This Time We Mean It. It is a J.J. Abrams sequel, after all.
- Heir to the Empire: A reference to Snoke (who hopefully will appear in-person in Episode VIII) inheriting Palpatine's position as leader of the First Order, rather than a reference to Grand Admiral Thrawn.
- Heir to the Force: As the Force has awakened again, its champion (regardless of Light or Dark Side alignment) will be revealed.
- The Republic Strikes Back
- All of these are Jossed — the official title is The Last Jedi.
- Rise of the Hatred. (..."anger leads to hate...")
- Revelations of the Force. Every third movie of each trilogy so far has began with an "R" word, followed by "of the," and then "Jedi" or "Sith." Revelations of the Force could reveal that there are gray areas between the light side and the dark side. For example, one may use Force lightning if their intentions are good.
- Going with this, the title will be Restoration of the Light to fit with the theme of the Sequel Trilogy being more focused on the nature of the Force and the title of the first film of the sequel trilogy explicitly referencing the Force. This title references the Light Side of the Force.
- Rise of the Force.
- Champions of the Force: A more deliberate reference to the same-named Expanded Universe novel from Legends
- Champions of the Galaxy: Applicable to all parties, Light and Dark Side; not a reference to Guardians of the Galaxy
- All of these are Jossed — the official title is The Rise of Skywalker.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Abrams did say casting was still an ongoing process on May 4th, shortly after the initial cast announcement.
- A statement from Lupita Nyong'o made it sound as though this had been decided for some time and kept secret so it probably wasn't because of fan response.
- Jar Jar spent a lot of time surrounded by Jedi. I like the idea that he could become a mentor to young Jedi despite not being a Force-user himself.
- Jossed. He is never even mentioned.
- Jossed. She only makes a vocal cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
- So an Expy of Darth Traya, then?
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. She only makes a vocal cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
- Technically confirmed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. It appears in Solo.
- Natasi Daala
- Warlord Zsinj
- Ysanne Isard
- Gilad Pellaeon
- Soontir Fel
- Galak Fyyar
- All Jossed.
- Jossed. He isn't married.
- Jossed.
- Jossed, though the EU established that Leia's political career was ruined once the news came out.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Alternate theory, the New Jedi Order of the films is small and the Galaxy overall has no real respect for them, basically feeling that they are just remnants of a "dead religion". But the new threat in this film proves to be far more than the New Republic can handle and the Jedi must step up and prove their worth. Leading to the Order's return to grandeur.
- Sorta confirmed , that titles does refer to a Universe which has gone without the force for decades, but apparently the Force is awakening.
- Alternatively we see an adult Ezra. Seems unlikely Rebels will kill off its Kid Hero despite being Doomed by Canon.
- Both Jossed. Kanan's only appearance is a vocal cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
- Partially confirmed. He thinks the Jedi's faults were what led to the rise of the Empire.
- After the Battle of Endor, Grand Vizier Mas Amedda quickly assumed power and had the Imperial Fleet jump to the system while the Rebels were partying. The Rebels were crippled and set back another twenty years, during which Amedda set about reforming the Empire, such as increasing non-humans in the military and reestablishing the Senate. Then, ten years ago, he died from an assassin and now more systems are declaring independence.
- On a side note, Salacious Crumb now runs Jabba's criminal empire.
- Jossed. According to the EU, he was forced to make peace.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He does appear in The Mandalorian.
- Considering that Revan (or his ghost, anyway) was originally going to appear in the Mortis arc, him being recanonized in such a way is not impossible.
- A few hints dropped in Entertainment Weekly's interview with J. J. Abrams are actually starting to make it look like this is a real possibility. According to Abrams, The movie explains the origins of the mask and where it’s from...", and also “[Ren] is well aware of what’s come before, and that’s very much a part of the story of the film.” So apparently there is some significance to the mask's design and origins, and the movie will devote some time to talking about the Sith Lords that preceded Ren.
- Jossed. He seemed to make it himself.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The only time Tatooine appears is when Rey visits the Lars homestead at the end of ''The Rise of Skywalker
- How about calling his ship the "Revan"?
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He only makes a vocal cameo.
- Jossed. Leia is the only one actively participating.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Rey is only a nickname or part of her (first?) name, which would be...
- Kira Rey. Early reports suggested her name was Kira, and it would match Kylo Ren.
- Then they might be siblings like Jacen and Jaina.
- Reyna. This allows for a Spanish pun, only one letter off, with "king" (rey) becoming "queen" (reina). Also sounds like Jaina.
- Amura Rey.
- Asuka Rey.
- Kira Rey. Early reports suggested her name was Kira, and it would match Kylo Ren.
- Contrary to the above, Rey will rhyme with "key".
- All Jossed.
- Jossed. He dies in VIII.
- Jossed.
- A unified Imperial Remnant
- An attempt to resurrect the Sith
- Not directly descended from the Empire or the Sith but a group inspired to create a Second Empire by them.
- Not inspired by the Empire but a group using and improving the technology of the Empire to make war on the New Republic/Resistance.
- Some combination of the above: Perhaps a Remnant that hid itself and has been building forces for an assault by kidnapping children to raise as students and attempting to build a Sith order from scratch.
- All Jossed.
- X-Wing Vs Star Destroyer and the battle ended in a draw. That Rebel pilot was a badass.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- The Resistance is a splinter faction/black ops group operating in First Order/Imperial Remnant territory with unofficial support from the New Republic.
- Mostly confirmed.
- The First Order were able to turn the tide against the Rebels at the Battle of Jakku and reestablish control over some of the Empire's former territory, forcing the Rebels to regroup and rebrand themselves.
- The First Order is in fact the New Republic after the Alliance committed a Full-Circle Revolution following Palpatine's downfall, causing Luke, Leia and the others to form the Resistance in response.
- Confirmed.
- This could explain how he is a credible threat to the heroes despite there being no Sith left to train him - he would have inherited Plagueis' powers. It might also explain Ren's apparent interest in Vader: Plagueis might have realized somehow that Anakin was created through his experiments. Finally, it may explain why Ren has apparently taken over the First Order: it could be Plagueis' symbolic revenge against Palpatine, by taking over what Palpy built. Heck, if the thing about Vader I mentioned is also true, it would make double sense: "You took and got my experiment killed, now I'll take over your empire and kill the Jedi you failed to! *Evil Laugh*"
- Jossed.
- Jossed. There was relative peace until the First Order came along.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He's never mentioned.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed.
But who are the Knights of Ren? A mysterious group of dark side force users, whose most prominent member allegedly has an obsession with Darth Vader...
What if, in his initial attempts to reform the Jedi, Luke, seeing the failures of the detached, celibate old order, goes too far in the other direction, causing his less willful students to fall to the dark side. Thus, this group of Luke's wayward pupils go their own way, while still venerating their old master, thus engendering Kylo Ren's obsession with Luke's father.
- Jossed.
- The characters of the original trilogy will be split between these groups. Leia and Lando will be a member of the New Republic while Han will join the Resistance and Luke will take neither side and focus on Jedi-related business.
- Jossed.
- Yavin 4
- Hoth
- Mon Calamari
- Endor
- Kashyyyk
- Utapau
- Mygeeto
- Corellia
First Order:
- Coruscant
- Naboo
- Mustafar
- Kamino
- Bespin
- Geonosis
- Dathomir
- Tatooine
- All Jossed.
- Lando, though that's a little too obvious.
- If you recall, the protagonist of Star Wars: Invasion was named "Finn Galfridian", presumably because the writers thought that name had a nice ring to it. Obviously, this probably wasn't intentional foreshadowing...but notice that "Finn Calrissian" has a similarly nice ring to it...
- Palpatine or Tarkin, which would make more sense since he's an Imperial.
- Or, you know— Luke. Take note of how Finn's name compares to the rest of the new Power Trio, as well as the one from the old films: there's one sci-fi-ish version of a normal name (Leia/Rey), one vaguely Asian-sounding one (Han/Poe), and one that's a perfectly unremarkable Earth human name (Luke/Finn). Plus they embody a similar dynamic: independent girl with a personal astromech droid, non-Force sensitive Ace Pilot, and newfound Force user who takes up Anakin Skywalker's old lightsaber. You could cut the foreshadowing with a knife, it's so thick.
- All Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He's working on his own.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He's Han and Leia's son.
- Confirmed.
- Only in a vision in Rise of Skywalker.
- Jossed. No issue is ever brought up.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.

- Jossed.
- Jossed.
We have seen the dangers of Sith who immerse themselves in the dark side, and follow their code too strictly. We've seen light jedi who follow their code to strictly. But a dark Jedi can be uncaring. No emotion at all. This is why when Kylo Ren finally hits the Dark side he is calm.
- Jossed.
- The Knights of Ren take some of his esoteric teachings and views, while adhering to the political structures of Palpatine's Empire
- The Knights of Ren were founded by Plagueis himself, as one of his schemes for abolishing his Old Sith Order. It's implied Palpatine's main motivation for killing Plagueis was to prevent him being replaced by Plagueis' new order. Ren may be the intended replacement for Sidious, or even Plageuis' canon name
- Plagueis left a powerful McGuffin and/or Force techniques the villains want to take
- Plagueis isn't dead! His wisdom managed to keep his spirit and powers alive in some form, it's just he's been Sealed Evil in a Can for whatever reason(probably Palpatine trying to stop him). Big Bad Snoke either wants his ghost to help his cause(immortality, maybe?), which will result in Evil Is Not a Toy and Plagueis will continue his plans of domination before Sidious killed him.
- Snoke is one of Plagueis' experiments at creating life, trying to continue his legacy or making his own in spite of him.
- All Jossed.
- Jossed.

- Jossed.

- Jossed. They have no qualms about blowing it up, as it seems to be only occupied by First Order personnel.
- In the Japanese trailer Rey says to BB-8: "I know all about waiting. For my family." Maybe she knows exactly who her parents are, and she was supposed to be sent to Jakku temporarily - but something went wrong and she stayed much longer than was planned, YEARS longer perhaps. She feels as though she can't leave because Luke could come back for her at any time (not knowing that her mother is dead?).
- It's been confirmed in an Entertainment Weekly article that Rey was left on Jakku by her family when she was five, has no idea why, and is still waiting for them to come back. And it's been a long-standing rumour that Luke is missing. It would certainly add up in terms of plot.
- Implied - but Jossed, at least for TFA. Who knows what Episodes VIII and IX will hold?
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed.
- Gary was shown to have a daughter, who was treated very kindly by Darth Vader. She grew up to be Captain Phasma.
- Jossed.
- Possibly Jossed. The Rise of Skywalker hints that he may be.
- Jossed for The Force Awakens. Though they may be cousins.
- Jossed.
- Further: This is Loki's horrible adventure between Thor and The Avengers. He fell into wretched hive of Tattooine and things went downhill from there (he altered his face slightly just in case this world knew about him). If Kylo has a Disney Villain Death scene that means he found another wormhole to wherever he met Thanos. This journey took only a few years from the Avengers' POV is because of weird time-space physics.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Never stated with way.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. She looks nothing like the Kaminoans at all
- Seems to be Jossed. The only other member of Yoda's species we've seen looked almost exactly like him, and Maz looks totally different
- Seems to be Jossed. The differences in appearance between the two are far too significant for them to credibly be the same species.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Partially confirmed. It's used to destroy the New Republic's capital.
- The part about him having no children is confirmed.
- Jossed.
- There are several theories that one of the returning cast members from the Original Trilogy will die in this movie. A lot of these point to Luke (with many noting the noticeable lack of Mark Hamill in the trailers and publicity images) or Han (given that Harrison Ford thought that Return Of The Jedi would have a greater emotional depth if the character performed a Heroic Sacrifice, since his character arc had been completed after Jabba's death).
- Confirmed for Han.
- There's a rumor that there's a mystery cast member whose presence is kept in such secrecy that she has to disguise herself whenever she goes off-set. A common theory as to who the character the actress is playing is that she's Mara Jade, reworked for the films and serving as the mother to Luke's child(ren). A surprisingly thorough and convincing case for this argument can be seen here
.
- Jossed.
- It's also common to see some arguments that one of the new actors or actresses will play Expies of EU characters. For example, rumors aside almost everyone is convinced that Daisy Ridley's character Rey is an Expy of Jaina Solo, the daughter of Han and Leia, just because she's sitting between Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher in the tableread photo, and because of her strong resemblance to Natalie Portman, who played Leia's mother. Likewise, aset of rumors suggests Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son and Rey's brother, thus an Expy of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus.
- Confirmed for Kylo.
- There's also a theory that Hux of all people is Luke's son because he, like Luke's wife in the Star Wars Legends continuity, has red hair.
- Jossed.
- Now that it's confirmed that John Boyega is playing a stormtrooper (Finn), some have wondered if there's any credibility to the rumors he's playing a descendant of Zare Leonisnote from Rebels.
- Jossed.
- Related to both Rey & Finn, there's been debate on who the main character is. In promotional material Finn gets Anakin's lightsaber, but Rey is front-and-center in several posters and magazine covers and the theatrical trailer seems to focus on her just a little bit more, especially at the beginning. It seems likely though that they're Deuteragonists, since both characters are being promoted somewhat equally and John Boyega and Daisy Ridley are nigh inseparable at press events. And then those spoiler images were released of Rey holding a lightsaber.
- Rey is the main character.
- Speaking of Rebels, another popular theory is that Kylo Ren is an aged and fallen Ezra, and the cartoon is actually the story of his Start of Darkness. This may have been jossed with the confirmation that Adam Driver is playing Kylo Ren, who is much younger than Mark Hamill, as Luke and Ezra are the same age. He's actually Han and Leia's son.
- A lot of people are convinced that Darth Plagueis (Emperor Palpatine's master) will be the Big Bad of the Sequel Trilogy (while Kylo Ren will be The Dragon or The Heavy) based on the conversation based around the character in Revenge of the Sith and the allusions to him in Tarkin. A number of people are also convinced that Andy Serkis will be playing the character based on the sinister voice he had in the trailer, along with the rumors that the character's name and presence are in itself spoilers and that he is described as being elderly and undead in terms of appearance. While the character's name has revealed to now be Snoke, many believe that this is simply an alias the character uses when he isn't under whatever Dark Side guise Snoke has - and some of these people believe that the title he has is Darth Plagueis. Furthermore, the possibility of Snoke being Plagueis has gained more force because the character's theme has a rather uncanny similarity to the music from the tragedy of Darth Plagueis in the prequel trilogy.
- Jossed.
- Max von Sydow is the most speculated-upon actor in the movie. He was absent from the tableread photo as well as all promotional material and there are tons of conflicting rumors about his role in the movie. Fans don't know if he's the Big Bad, Big Good, The Mentor, THE Obi-Wan, Darth Plagueis, some random old guy, a voice-over only role like James Earl Jones, etc, etc. It seems JJ Abrams and the team are keen on keeping his role a secret until the movie comes out.
- Jossed.
- Roundabouts the beginning of October 2015, a theory started circulating around the internet which postulated that Jar-Jar Binks was secretly a Sith Lord and was working in tandem with Darth Sidious the whole time (noting such things as Jar-Jar's gesturing whenever he's in any plot-relevant event and comparing it to the Mind Trick). Granted, the theory is a bit of a stretch, but there are fans (not many, but enough to be taken into consideration) who are legitimately convinced Jar-Jar will play a role in the new film series because of it as a result. Watch the theory here
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- Jossed.
- Luke's status as Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Trailer has convinced a surprisingly large number of people that he's turned to the Darkside and become Kylo Ren. Among Fandom VIPs, Count Jackula has said "I better be wrong!"
The Film Theorists have also made an entire video devoted to the idea that Luke turned to the Dark Side. They don't verbally say that he and Ren are the same person, but do use footage of Ren while saying that they believe Luke has turned.
- Luke appears at the end of the film when Rey gives him back his lightsaber.
- Rey's possible Heroic Lineage is the subject of a decent amount of debate. Most of it either boils down between three camps - one that thinks she's "Rey Skywalker" (making her Luke's daughter), one that thinks she's "Rey Solo" (making her Han and Leia's daughter), and one that thinks she's not related to anyone. There's a smaller camp that thinks that Lucasfilm might pull a fast one and that she's actually "Rey Kenobi".
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- This has been confirmed by Word of God, and it's not like the previous films had any qualms about ignoring EU material as they saw fit.
- In fact, they took it one step further and annihilated the entire pre-Disney buyout Expanded Universe.
- That said, the new film seems to draw very heavily on the Legacy of the Force
book series for thematic reference. Han and Leia have a son that goes to the dark side? Check. New Galactic Civil War? Check. A new Superweapon to blow up? Check
.
- Confirmed. The Big Bad is Kylo Ren, an enforcer for the First Order, which is the restructured remains of the Empire.
- Confirmed. The Visual Dictionary confirms that Han is Leia's husband.
- Confirmed. Though that's not Han's body, but an injured Finn.
- Confirmed. Supreme Leader Snoke is computer-animated. He appears in holograms as a hulking goliath of a man with a hideously scarred face.
- Confirmed. Luke hasn't been seen in years, and several people consider him a myth.
- Confirmed. Finn deserts the First Order after refusing to kill civilians during a village raid on Jakku.
- Confirmed. Luke is in self-imposed exile because Kylo Ren rebelled against him and destroyed his New Jedi Order.
- Judging from what we know about the trailer, Finn appears to be from the Empire (Romeo Montague) and Rey is likely among the Rebellion/Jedi Order (Juliet Capulet). It could be a link for the Rebellion and Empire to work together to defeat a bigger threat.
- Kinda confirmed. Kylo Ren is a rebellious, tormented young man struggling with his tenuous grasp of right and wrong, and the stage is set for him confronting his uncle, Luke Skywalker; he has more than a little Hamlet in him. Not to mention that Luke's isolation on a deserted island is very reminiscent of Prospero. And if you believe the fan speculation that Rey is Luke's daughter, that would make her the Miranda to Luke's Prospero.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed. Despite the many divergences from the Legends continuity, Anakin Skywalker still has a grandson called "Ben", Han and Leia still have a son who turns to the Dark Side, there is indeed a New Republic, there was a New Jedi Order, the planet Rakata Prime has been confirmed to exist, and Luke goes into exile much like he does in Fate of the Jedi.
- Confirmed. No mention at all. Likely because it is now a lost Jedi tradition/secret.
- Confirmed, at least the new-trio part.
- As mentioned below, Luke is the most likely to die given the pattern so far. This would hardly be cheap drama though, as it's simply following the same pattern as Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.
- Alternatively, it will be Han, since he seems to be playing the role of Obi-Wan in this film: A hero of the old saga who gives the new heroes secret knowledge and shepherds them into the main conflict.
- Confirmed.
- Comtirmed. The leader of the First Order is Supreme Leader Snoke, played by Andy Serkis.
- Seems to be confirmed so far — note that Rey is front and centre of the D23 poster.
- Confirmed sort of. Finn is the other protagonist.
- Confirmed.
- Confirmed.
- Skywalker-Solo
- Confirmed - the title, anyway. The speech doesn't actually feature in the film.
- First off, the makers outright stated that they're not adapting any EU novels. Some fans have argued this won't stop them from telling the story in this time period, but I beg to differ. We all know what the hard-core fans are like; those novels are popular, and if they get reduced to secondary canon by these films there will be an outcry like no other. So no, they won't have it set during this time because there's already novels, and it will be very unlikely for them to rewrite those novels.
- Canon has already been established right up to Cade Skywalker's time (I think). And like I said above, fans don't tend to like it when canon gets rewritten unless for good reason. The movies could be set right after Legacy, but then Cade will have to be mentioned at some point, which I highly doubt, so they'll have to set the movies a century or more after he's died.
- Which leads me to point number three; no one outside the fandom has heard of Mara Jade, the Solo twins, Cade Skywalker, etc. Trying to tie the movies in with the novels will just prove to be too much work, for they will have to promote the books and Force knows how much other material, and considering how much of it there is... No. Disney won't do it. It'll be far easier on the viewers if that stuff is only subtly mentioned, enough for a Shout-Out but not enough to confuse those who have never read the novels (which is admittedly a large proportion of the public).
- The thing is, if they want to include EU material, they can't start anywhere willy-nilly, do the story of everyone's children. As much as big Star Wars fans love the EU, the rest of the fanbase – they people who have seen and like the movie, but will never pick up or seek out a EU novel or comic or anything like that – they are not attached to the EU characters, they don't know them. Jumping in and assuming that anyone outside the EU fanbase will accept and get what the character's about will be a big mistake, there's no continuity to make them meaningful and will poisen the film. The point of the EU is to enrich the story, add to the mythology by chronicling the history of the universe outside the movie, not overtaking it and changing the movies. Mara Jade, Jaina & Jacen and Anakin Solo, Ben Skywalker - all those characters will need to be introduced if the filmmakers for Episode VII and beyond want to include them. As far as the theatrical films are concerned, they never have and possibly never will exist. The EU is bound by the films, but the films aren't bound by the EU. Any character in Episode VII and beyond that has not appeared in Episode I-VI –EU or created for the movie – needs to earn their place.
- Point number four, the writers are free to do whatever the hell they want, therefore being free to create a movie we've been waiting for. Also, because of the existence of Force ghosts (and random clones which pop up randomly) they can bring back whoever they want on par with the plot (Han may be a little more difficult, but hey, maybe Luke and Leia help him out with that).
- The above arguments have evidently been Jossed; the movie is set 30 years after Return Of The Jedi.
- Also the EU has been banished to an alternate reality so no secondary canon for the novels. No connection to the main canon at all.
- The makers already outright said that the movies will not be an adaptation of any Expanded Universe material.
- On the bright side, there were rumors about Benedict Cumberbatch being in the a future project. Thrawn is pretty Sherlock-like in his deductions. This could potentially be awesome.
- Jossed; the old EU canon is no more.
- Confirmed. The old EU is now labeled as a series of "Legends" discussed by the trillions of people living in the Galaxy. However, everything from 2014 onward that is part of the new EU actually happens unless specified.
- Actually the EU was never canon per se. The new films will carry on the official cannon of the Star Wars Universe. The EU will be part of a different possible Universe. So technically Star Wars 7 doesn't follow a new Timeline. It just a continuation of the original timeline.
- Jossed. It was announced April 25, 2014 that the only things canon are the films, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, future Marvel comics, and upcoming novels from September onward. Everything EU-related is an Alternate Continuity unless it is refitted, and everything is coordinated by Lucasfilm Story Group.
- Jossed; per Word of God, those events never happened in this timeline. Chewie never died.
- Or maybe it could mean that Darth Plagueis did find a way to be immortal and that he will be the main villain.
- It could mean both. A villain who wishes to live forever (Plagueis) could view death/mortality as an "Ancient Fear".
- A New Dawn was an early rumor, and would work as a Call-Back to A New Hope while also being a way to indicate that the franchise has a future in cinema.
- The Ancient Fear, according to a rumor.
- Hand of the Jedi. It could refer to Luke being the hand of the Jedi Order and reveal what happened to Luke's hand. Maybe it will be used to create clones like in The Last Command and begin The New Clone Wars.
- Legacy of the Force . It could refer to how the Force has helped shape and guide for better or ill the fate of the Galaxy. Could have a double meaning if the new young leads end up representing the new age of the Force , where it has evolved more from Darkside\Whiteside to Dark Gray making better Worlds at any cost or Light Gray protecting an ideal of freedom but willing to use darker means to do so.
- ALL Jossed. The title is The Force Awakens.
- Jossed. There’s no time travel.
- Nope, Lucasfilm representatives have said on a few occasions that The Force Unleashed isn't canon anymore in spite of George Lucas's involvement. However, there's always a chance that they could re-introduce the character in another way, (which would most likely be around the era of the Original Trilogy instead of the Sequel Trilogy).
- Here's where the EU homages come into it; Gleeson's character is leader of the "Starkiller Base", which could be a nod to both 'Luke Starkiller' AND The Force Unleashed.
- Jossed.
- Nope, he is playing a First Order General named Hux.
- Jossed, he is more like Tarkin than Ben.
- Ezra is about the same age as Luke & Leia, so an actor closer to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher's ages would have to play a TFA-era Ezra.
- Jossed. Adam Driver's character's name is "Kylo Ren", and Domhnall Gleeson's character's name is "General Hux".
- Jossed. In an interview, J.J. described Snoke as "a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force". Though Thrawn definitely isn't a good guy, he's not a Force user, and he has no official affiliation with the Dark Side.
- Jossed. Finn is now confirmed to be an actual stormtrooper at the start of the film.
- Jossed. Jakku appears in both Star Wars: Aftermath and the Star Wars Battlefront (2015) video game. In the former, it's described as actually being a worse place to live than Tatooine.
- It's likely the Sith would still be the Big Bad, on the whole at least.
- Jossed. It's neither the Sith nor the Yuuzhan Vong pulling the strings.
- Unless you believe the fan theory that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis. Then the Sith would be pulling the strings somewhat.
- Jossed. It's neither the Sith nor the Yuuzhan Vong pulling the strings.
- Well Star Trek managed to become a commercial success in spite of it's lens flares and even got a sequel with another on the way. Man of Steel (which, in this troper's opinion, used them even worse) is getting not only a sequel, but an entire multi-film universe built around it, so I feel they are pretty harmless when it comes to the financial success of a film. Secondly, Jar Jar Binks failed to kill the prequel trilogy, thus proving the guaranteed success of any Star Wars theatrical release. Thirdly, I greatly enjoyed Heir to the Empire, but reading it there were many points where I noticed bits that no longer fit with what Star Wars had become in the years since. Even newer media set in the Clone Wars had to be retcond with the release of Revenge of the Sith and then again with the release of The Clone Wars. It was always happening, every new release brought retcons and rewrites to explain all the hundreds of inconsistencies and with the universe getting much fuller it was happening more and more. By choosing to start again from bare bones and establishing the Story Group, Disney is simply ensuring that years down the line, with the release of Episode LVII, a fan could still pick up Heir to the Jedi and see it fitting snugly and undisturbed into the universe. Plus they have yet to repeat the Jedi-who-is-incredibly-powerful-but-also-arrogant-falls-to-the-dark-side-but-is-redeemed-through-the-power-of-love or the ancient-or-imperial-super-weapon-appears-to-threaten-the-entire-galaxy-and-only-our-heroes-can-stop-it plots, which were never ending in the old EU. Thus I don't see them decimating it.
- The point about The Force Awakens proving to be a Franchise Killer has at least been Jossed. Pre-order tickets alone have been gigantic and it's on track for one of the biggest debuts of all time. EU fans hoping the movie will fail so the old EU can return are out of luck.
- Jossed. There are surprisingly few lens flares. Seriously. There are a few used at the end but they're very subtle, and it adds to the beauty of the cinematography more than anything.
- He's playing Temmin Wexley.

- Jossed. He's playing an adult version of Temmin "Snap" Wexley, the kid from the Star Wars: Aftermath novel.
- Jossed. Kylo does indeed lose the final duel, but his lightsaber is perfectly functional.
- Jossed. Luke isn't in the trailers because he only appears in the final scene, and has no lines. He's in self-imposed exile because his New Jedi Order was destroyed by Kylo Ren.

- Jossed. There are no references to Jar-Jar at all.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. There's no Stinger.
- Jossed. Although we don't see Coruscant in The Force Awakens, it's made clear that the Jedi Order is as dead as ever.
- Or the opposite. There is the theory that Leia and Han never married so she would remain eligible for political reasons and she could justify it with the Jedi code against marriage. Luke will insist she should have married Han as hiding his love for their mother is part of what lead their father to the Dark Side.
- Jossed. That subject never comes up between them. And it never will, since Han's dead and gone.
- Jossed. Gwendoline Christie plays Captain Phasma (the "Chrometrooper").
- Jossed. Finn was raised as a from birth. Kylo Ren is Luke's old apprentice.
- Jossed. Kylo's lightsaber is perfectly capable in a duel. Though the blade has a bit of a wavering look, the crossguard gives him a considerable advantage in his duel with Finn, allowing him to grievously wound him by cutting into his shoulder.
- Jossed. Supreme Leader Snoke is the leader of the First Order (hence his title). Kylo is a high-ranking enforcer, and Snoke's personal apprentice, but he's apparently at the same rank as General Hux.
- Jossed. The First Order is a full-blown military dictatorship with a fully functioning government, and it sprang from remains of the actual Galactic Empire after its defeat. It's more like the Taiwan to the Empire's China than the National Front to the Empire's Nazi Germany.
- Jossed. The Falcon was stolen and traded between various gangs on Jakku, but it's still very much functional. Rey lives in the downed hulk of an AT-AT, and she steals the Falcon to escape Jakku.
- Jossed. The Millennium Falcon is indeed on Jakku, but the plot is kicked off by the discovery of a secret map to Luke Skywalker's location. Anakin's lightsaber is in Maz Kanata's fortress, and Darth Vader's helmet is among Kylo Ren's personal possessions.
- Considering he already has played a hammy evil overlord who nonetheless maintains gravitas and dignity, he is perfect. He would also be perfect for the elderly mentor-type, but it seems Luke Skywalker will fill that role to some degree for this movie.
- Jossed. Lor San Tekka is an old ally of the Resistance, and apparently some sort of village elder on Jakku.
- Jossed. His real name is Ben Solo.
- Jossed, at least the part about being related to Han and Leia: a prequel comic shows that Leia knew Poe Dameron's parents.
- The film's main Inquisitor may be played by Gwendoline Christy, and she may have a fight scene with Luke, in which he will do a light side version of the lightsaber duel from ESB; He'll utterly ''destroy'' her in the fight incapacitate her, then try and turn her to the Light Side.
- Jossed. There's just the First Order, which is led by the Dark-sider Surpreme Leader Snoke and his protege Kylo Ren. Though the Knights of Ren were apparently once a separate organization (Kylo is still called "The master of the Knights of Ren"), they've apparently been integrated into the First Order.
- Jossed. He was never given any other name other than "FN-2187" until Poe dubbed him "Finn".
- Jossed. He's a fallen Jedi, and the leader of the Knights of Ren (a mysterious Jedi splinter group in league with the First Order).
- Jossed. Finn definitely has his adorable moments ("The name's Finn, and I'm in charge here!" "It'll be fine! We'll use the Force!" "I'm kind of a big deal!"), but he has neither a medals ceremony nor an And the Adventure Continues moment with Rey. The movie ends with him in a coma following his duel with Kylo Ren, with Rey embarking off alone to train under Luke Skywalker.
- Jossed. Han does die, but there are no callback lines. Although the death scene itself is a callback...
- Jossed. No mention at all.
- Jossed, at least for TFA.
- Although, if Daisy Ridley plays the daughter of Han and Leia as rumored, that would exclude them being love interests as many had concluded.
- He could well be his son emotionally if not biologically, by way of being his apprentice. It seems George Lucas wanted Luke to be a celibate hero, so it would make sense.
- Jossed.
- How is it Jossed? There's nothing pointing towards him being Luke's son, but nothing pointing against it, either.
- Did that troper mean Jossed for The Force Awakens?
- How is it Jossed? There's nothing pointing towards him being Luke's son, but nothing pointing against it, either.
- The stunt training was apparently done for a different project. In addition, the Instagram account she apparently had was fake.
- Jossed. Rather explicitly, in fact.
- Furthermore, Mark Hamill reportedly grew a beard for Episode VII, so now he even looks the part of the Old Mentor.
- Jossed in regards to TFA. Luke isn't even in the film until right at the very end.
- Jossed.
- Jossed: It has been confirmed that
the villain of Episode VII will indeed be a Sith.
- Only partially, the Sith could be the obvious villains at first, but it is unclear if they will be the main villains for the saga or just for part of it, and there could be a twist having a extremist sect of the Jedi manipulating events from behind with the Sith gradually playing a secondary role to Dark!Luke and his Jedi faction.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Han and Leia don't have a daughter.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The desert planet is an entirely new one called Jakku.
- Jossed.
- His desertion after the massacre isn't just a "Not what I signed up for" moment, but because he is metaphorically gutpunched by the wounding of the Force that the massacre is causing, much like Obi-wan and the annihilation of Alderaan and all its souls.
- Concept art shown at Celebration shows him with Luke's original lightsaber. So possibly confirmed. Unless he was just holding it.
- Seems to be confirmed as of the poster shown at the D23 show, which shows him wielding an active lightsaber.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Actually not. Snoke could be Tenebrae in the new canon. Most likely he went into hiding after his supposed defeat and built up a plan to take over the Galaxy even more longer than Darth Bane's plan considering that he was active since the Clone Wars. Episode VIII could reveal him to be the Man Behind the Man for Palpatine and even Bane as well.
- As multiple people have pointed out, it seems rather conspicuous that the apparent Big Bad of The Force Awakens has the rather harmless-sounding name "Kylo Ren", despite the Star Wars franchise being infamous for having villains with Names to Run Away from Really Fast. That's because Ren isn't meant to be a Card-Carrying Villain: he's an ordinary guy corrupted by the Dark Side, but not beyond saving.
- If the shot of Vader's helmet in the trailer is any indication, Luke's memories of his father are still very much present in this installment. It makes sense that the movie would explore Luke's guilt over Anakin's death.
- Ren is significantly younger than Anakin was in the Original Trilogy, so it's logical that he would still have time to turn his life around.
- Though JJ and co. definitely want to bring back the aesthetic of the Original Trilogy, it seems like they would also want to go out of their way to avoid being accused of rehashing its plot. So what haven't we seen in previous Star Wars movies? Well, we've yet to see a fully redeemed Sith Lord, and we've yet to see a Token Evil Teammate on the heroes' side yet. This movie would be the perfect point to introduce both.
- Contrasting theory: what if the Big Bad is the one to make a Heel–Face Turn, and Kylo Ren becomes the Dragon Ascendant
- Jossed so hard it's not even funny.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
Now think about this. What happens in the first film of the Original and Prequel trilogies? That's right, the Mentor dies — and passes the torch to his successor. It happened with Qui-Gon, who passed the torch to Obi-wan, and then again with Obi-Wan himself, who passed the torch to Luke. It makes perfect sense that Luke will die (perhaps at Kylo Ren's hands) and pass the torch to his own successor (most likely Finn or Rey). We already see him hand his lightsaber to someone in the second teaser trailer.
- Actually, Mark Hamill is over at Skellig Michael to shoot part of Episode VIII. So unless he appears as a Force Ghost, I'm calling jossed on this one.
- It is, in fact, Jossed. He's only in it at the very end of the film, and he is very much alive.
- Jossed. We never learn anything about Hux.
- Jossed. He survives.
The scene with the man with the robot hand who everyone assumed was Luke is either not him, or a flashback. Luke will have died before the events of the movie and will only appear as Force ghost.
- Jossed. He's alive.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Kylo Ren is the alias of Ben Solo, Han and Leia's son.
- Jossed. Luke is barely in the film.
- Maybe they'll deliberately turn the trope on its head and have him lose a leg instead.
- Jossed. No limbs are lost, surprisingly.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. It was stolen from him.
- Horrific plot twist: Luke reveals he has fallen into the Dark Side and he's the true leader of the First Order.
- Heel-Face plot twist: It was all a massive plot to destabilize the First Order. Kylo is either Luke's mole or a patsy.
- Jossed. He doesn't appear 'til the end.
Consider that in the Expanded Universe, we find out that Luke's original blue lightsaber was recovered by Imperial agents on Bespin after Vader cut off his hand, and Grand Admiral Thrawn eventually gives it to Luke's evil clone Lu'uke Skywalker so that he can face Luke in one-on-one combat. With the Expanded Universe declared non-Canon, one would assume that there's now a new explanation for what happened to the lightsaber after it fell down the shaft in Bespin. As the former administrator of Cloud City, Lando would presumably be in a pretty sweet position to get his hands on the lightsaber if Vader didn't get to it first.
Hence: Finn got the lightsaber from Lando, which interests Han, Chewie and Leia because it gives them a glimmer of hope that Luke (who will be The Ghost for most of the movie) is still alive. And when our heroes do reunite with Luke, we'll get an emotional moment when he gets to hold his old lightsaber for the first time in years, before deciding to pass it on to a worthy young successor.
- Jossed. Sorry.
- but Stormtroopers only miss when trying to shoot people with Plot Armor.
- Jossed. He defects.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Appears to be Finn - he's wielding it in the D23 poster and in the Instagram sneak peek.
- Jossed - it's Rey that gets the sabre, but Luke does not personally hand it to her. In fact, she holds it out to HIM at the end of the film.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed. Though "Kylo Ren" is actually his title, he is indeed Han and Leia's son turned to the Dark Side, and clearly based on Jacen Solo.
- Pretty much Jossed. While he is their son that turned to the Dark side the the similaraties stop there. Personality wise and objective wise as well as power wise they are two different people The only thing they have in common is that they are a Solo child gone evil . That makes Kylo more of an Expy of the character. Also one cannot assume he is based on the EU when 1) the EU was never made Cannon and 2) they only have one thing in common . Solo kid goes bad, besides that they have nothing to indicate that Kylo is based on Darth Cadeus.
- Consider also that one of the two pieces of the map to Luke was left on Jakku, while the other was left with R2-D2, who reactivated when Rey arrived at the resistance base, as though the map was deliberately left for Rey to find.
- Word of God debunked that, R2-D2 reactivated because it heard BB-8 asking for help
.
- Because they would never lie to avoid giving away plot details. Until it says so on-screen, it means nothing. Also, that just makes no sense: BB-8 is a member of the Resistance. That would have hardly been the first time it spoke to Artoo. For that matter, Threepio, Leia, and who knows who else must have tried countless times before. But Artoo suddenly decides to reactivate because BB-8 asked, but also decides to wait another several hours?
- They've never lied before about the movie before. Played coy, sure, but not outright lied. Lying to your audience is a good way to lose them, so why would they start now? You can't just ignore what they say because you don't like it or because you think it doesn't make sense.
- Clearly you have never heard of Lying Creator before. Or that they are technically telling the truth... From a Certain Point of View.
- Except they haven't lied? People constantly tweet them about things like Kylo's age and whatnot, and those are taken as truth. Why should this be any different?
- So if a creator who's trying to keep some things a secret says one truth, that means everything he says must be true then? Guess we have to take Obi-Wan's words about Darth Vader murdering Luke's father as 100% true then since he was correct about Luke's father being the best pilot in the galaxy, a cunning warrior, and a good friend.
- Now you're using logical fallacies for the sake of your argument. There is a stark difference between what a character in a movie says, and what the writers of the movie say, especially since the Original Trilogy wasn't fully planned out and was prone to Retcon—Obi-Wan saying Darth Vader murdering Luke's father was true at the time because George Lucas hadn't fully planned everything out yet. And you still haven't answered why we can take the creators' words as truth when it comes to some things, but not this.
- The creators have every reason to hide a secret from the audience, just like in-fictional characters. Remember that, in order to prevent leakers from spoiling The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas deliberately hid The Reveal of Darth Vader's relationship to Luke with a simple lie: Obi-Wan killed Luke's father.
- Word of God debunked that, R2-D2 reactivated because it heard BB-8 asking for help
- Rey is a naturally gifted pilot, like both her father and her grandfather.
- Actually, she explains in her "Survival Guide" that she spent hours running flight simulations, and that's why she's skilled, not because of natural talent.
- The fact that she trained does not mean she is not naturally talented. The fact that she was able to get so good just from simulations indicates that she is enormously naturally talented.
- Or that she spent a lot of time practicing? Natural talent is not the only answer for her skills.
- You can say the same thing with Luke or Anakin. They had plenty of time of practicing their skills.
- Luke and Anakin are explicitly stated to be naturally talented at mechanics. Rey is not.
- Rey is adept to fixing BB-8's antenna as well as knowing how to fix the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive switch. There is nothing suggesting she is not naturally talented at mechanics.
- Actually, she explains in her "Survival Guide" that she spent hours running flight simulations, and that's why she's skilled, not because of natural talent.
- She is also good with machines, not unlike the boy who built C3-PO.
- That's because she spent her life scavenging for them.
- Much how Anakin scavenged for the parts to build Threepio. Again, being naturally talented and experienced are not mutually exclusive.
- They are not, but again, "natural talent" isn't the only explanation for her skills and can't be used as solid evidence.
- Anakin and Luke had all the time to practice their skills and not "inherit them", but that does not stop Obi-Wan to compare their skills as natural talent.
- Anakin had time to practice flying a starship (not a podracer, a *starship*, and yes there is a significant difference) as a nine-year-old slave boy? No, that was pure talent. Luke also never set foot on a ship before leaving Tatooine. Pure talent. Rey practiced through flight simulators through years. And no one ever calls Rey's skills at flying "natural talent".
- Anakin states he was a pilot and he plans to leave Tatoonie one day on a ship. He also happens to work with a junk dealer with spaceship parts and he manages to impress Ric Olie, an Ace Pilot of the Naboo Starfighters, with knowledge of the piloting. Luke Skywalker pilots the Skyhopper in his youth, an aircraft that is stated to be quite similar to the X-wing in terms of control. They are no different from a flight simulator that Rey would practice upon (which by the way, the simulator practice was never shown on-screen, just like Anakin's and Luke's alleged past with piloting).
- Anakin was also a nine-year-old boy trying to impress a pretty girl, and working with spaceship parts and knowing how they work is not the same thing as actually flying a spaceship or running a simulator. Same for Luke. And while Rey's simulator practice is never shown on-screen, she still says she practiced on simulators while she and Finn celebrate their first flight.
- Obi-Wan mentions that Luke has become a good pilot himself despite the fact he never actually flown a spaceship before, meaning that the Skyhopper is indeed something you pilot. And that same Skyhopper, which you fail to counter, is explicitly stated to be similar to how an X-Wing works. Meaning that Luke himself can be considered just someone who practice piloting a lot and not natural talent by your definition. Any Skywalker's skills at piloting can be chalked up as just practice a lot. But Obi-Wan states that it was In the Blood.
- That's because she spent her life scavenging for them.
- When Kylo Ren and Rey were both trying to pull what had been both Anakin and Luke's lightsaber to them, the lightsaber flew to Rey. Kylo Ren is Anakin's grandson through Leia; only Luke's child would have a better claim to the weapon, since it had also been Luke's.
- On this point Maz specifically says to her "That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now, it calls to you!"
- Maz also says that the family Rey is waiting for is never coming back, and then adds that Luke still could. Putting him in a different category from Rey's family suggests that he's not her family at all.
- Or it could mean that while her family is not coming to find her on Jakku, she could find her family out there. Or it just means that her mother is not coming back for her on Jakku. Or Maz is just telling her that she needs to move forward.
- If 1) is true and she's Luke's daughter, then it means Luke was never coming back for her—it means she had to go find him. It means Luke either abandoned her with no intention to return, or lost her without ever trying to find her. Both would be out-of-character and would make me lose all respect for him. 2) It could, or it could also mean her father is not coming back for her. We don't know if it was just her mother who abandoned her there. 3) Telling her to move forward by saying "your family is never coming back", and knowing they are, seems very cruel. I agree she was telling her to move forward, but I doubt she was lying about her family not returning—she told her to move forward because they aren't coming back.
- 1) We don't know why Luke didn't even return for the Resistance, which is already out of character for him since the First Order is going around destroying planets unless he had a reason why. Plus Vader never bothered to search for his long-lost son since he assumed he was dead with his wife until he learned that the pilot who destroyed the Death Star was called Skywalker. 2) It could also mean that who ever abandoned was not her family to begin with. 3) Maz Kanata says "Whomever you're looking for, they are never coming back" and not "Your family" or "parents". That's an important thing to remember.
- 1) I'm not talking about why he didn't return to the Resistance—I'm talking about why he didn't return for Rey, a five-year-old girl left abandoned on a desert planet. Vader didn't know his son was alive, Luke obviously would have to assume Rey is to abandon her in the first place. 2) Considering Rey constantly talks about them as her family, and was old enough to know the different, they probably were. 3) She says "whomever you're **waiting** for", not looking for. And Rey is waiting for her family, she says that time and again. Her family is never coming back, then Maz says Luke still could, putting them in a different category. Pable Hidalgo even stresses that the difference there is important.
- 1) The Resistance point is to highlight the fact that Luke can already be considered out-of-character by some fans based on the limited information given. And you miss the point of Vader's belief. Vader was fooled into believing that his offspring perished thanks to Sidious's words and Padme's funeral with the impression of a pregnant belly. It is not hard for a villain to fake Rey's death and leave convincing evidence for Luke to find. 2) Considering she never brought up her family's name or try to find them with the little information she has, it indicates that she has no clue of who her family really is. Her own survival guide
◊ even indicates she doesn't even know how she ended up on Jakku or why. 3) Which leads to the final point, that Maz Kanata does not know who Rey is waiting and Rey deep down knows it as well. Rey could have easily hold onto the delusion that the people who left her there is her family and not a villainous bunch of thugs.
- 1) People can sense when someone close to them dies—that's how Leia knows Luke is alive, and how she sense Han's death. Luke would basically know Rey were still alive by her absence—Vader never got a chance to meet his kids or become aware of their "presence", so to speak, whereas Luke would. 2) How could she find them? She's stuck on a backwater planet with no way off or a way to get information on her family's whereabouts. She's basically in the real-world equivalent of a third-world, technology-less country. 3) She still puts "whoever you're waiting for" and "Luke" in separate categories. Even if the people who abandoned Rey aren't her family, she believes they are, and is waiting for them. If Luke's in a separate category from that, he can't be the one she's waiting for.
- 1) Leia did state she knows Luke is alive because she felt it in the Force in The Force Awakens. And it's not like she only felt Han's death. In the novel, she felt the death of billions on the Republic capital. Not to mention she needs an ancient map to even find the whereabouts of her brother. It's not easy as you make it sound. 2) Tie-novels reveal that she could have easily hitched a ride on one of those spacecrafts a long time and when she finally gets on one, her first reaction is to return back to Jakku and still wait for her family. If she knew her family's name, she would never wait in vain on some backwater planet. Which means she doesn't actually know who her family really is. 3) Maz makes it clear that Rey's entire waiting for a family is just a fantasy that would get her nowhere. She did not imply that Luke and her family are two different things, for that would imply she knows everything about her.
- 1) I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying the Force would tell him where she was, it would tell him Rey was still alive. If he knew she was alive, he had no excuse to hide out on a planet instead of looking for her. 2) Or she might wait on a backwater planet because waiting where someone left you, after a separation, is what you are supposed to do. Probably not for 14+ years, but Rey has proven herself to be very stubborn and very idealistic. 3) No, she did not. Never is it suggested that the people Rey was waiting for weren't her family—Pablo Hidalgo has even confirmed
that the people Rey was waiting for were her family. When Maz says "whomever", she means Rey's family. And that they are NOT coming back, but Luke still could. He is in a different category from them.
- 1) Then perhaps Luke's not as perfect as others make him out to be. Or that the Force can solve everything. Remember Vader and Leia. 2) That only exemplifies her naïve belief about her family coming back. Much like Luke refusing to leave his home on Tatooine because his uncle told him to stay. 3) Family is a such a vague word. Does he mean genetic family or adopted family? Was it the parents or just the mother? Always be wary of answers that Hidalgo would give when it comes to secrets.
- In addition to the lightsaber flying to Rey because of her better familial claim, it would have also gone to her because Kylo is tainted by the Dark Side, and hence is unworthy of the weapon.
- On this point Maz specifically says to her "That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now, it calls to you!"
- Disney has reaffirmed that Star Wars is the saga of the Skywalker family. It would be contrary to that concept to have the main character of Force Awakens not be a Skywalker.
- Though, if Rey's family is dead or not deserving of the title, (she was left with Unkar Plutt after all) she could be adopted into it. Leia was adopted after all and still goes by Organa. The story may be about the Skywalker family, but family isn't just blood.
- Except Rey just so happens to have strong Force powers within her, and that is before she even met Luke. It seems awfully convenient that she would have Force powers if she was meant to be adopted by the Skywalkers and prove that heritage isn't blood. Would have worked better with non-Force user to send that kind of message.
- Except that not all Force sensitivity comes from one's bloodline. There were people who weren't Force-sensitive but had kids who were, and vice-versa.
- And yet not everyone is all Force sensitivity. Just saying, Rey suddenly being good and adaptable to using the Force and beating the grandson of Anakin Skywalker does not indicate her story is to earn the right to be a Skywalker, through hard training and forming a bond with Luke. Her story is more akin to discovering her true heritage and destiny hidden deep within.
- ...are we forgetting that Kylo Ren is technically a Skywalker? He may not be a hero, but JJ Abrams did say his journey was also very important, and he is a central character. And Pablo Hidalgo has stated
◊ that Kylo is the Skywalker of The Force Awakens, so the writers at least consider that quota filled.
- An easy deflection to hide the paradox of Rey. Notice how all the six Star Wars films from George Lucas featured a central Skywalker protagonist: Anakin for the Prequel Trilogy and Luke for the Original Trilogy. The Force Awakens centers around Rey's story, which intertwines with Kylo Ren's. Why is she important if she is not related to the Skywalkers in a series about them?
- Though, if Rey's family is dead or not deserving of the title, (she was left with Unkar Plutt after all) she could be adopted into it. Leia was adopted after all and still goes by Organa. The story may be about the Skywalker family, but family isn't just blood.
- Jossed: JJ Abrams stated Rey's parents didn't appear in this film
, meaning Luke can't be her dad.
- Jossed again. he then clarifies
that "she doesn’t discover them in Episode VII. Not that they may not already be in her world".
- That's arguable; slipping up like that is a breach of the NDA contract, so he has to "correct" his statement to save face. His first, initial, off-guard response to a kid asking about Rey's parents was to blurt out that they weren't in the film, in words that don't remotely suggest she "doesn't discover them".
- Or maybe, he lied. Just him saying John Harrison is totally not Khan Noonien Singh. You might make the argument that he regretted that deception and wouldn't do it again, but given his love for the mystery box, old habits die hard.
- Jossed again. he then clarifies
- The Last Jedi offers more evidence to Rey being the daughter of Luke Skywalker. Their relationship is central to the film, and the film has two big mysteries that need to intertwine based on the normal runtime: Luke's untold journey and Rey's untold origin. And they again state the film to be a continuation of the Skywalker family saga. With family heavily emphasized.
- On the other hand, Daisy Ridley says that Luke has no idea who Rey is
. Also, Leia and Kylo are still part of the Skywalker family.
- Isn't possible that Luke may not have realized he had a daughter or that Daisy Ridley may not be telling the truth? Also, the film will center around Rey and Luke with Kylo Ren being the antagonist. The ST is her story, just like OT is to Luke and PT is to Anakin.
- On the other hand, Daisy Ridley says that Luke has no idea who Rey is
- It's worth noting that none of the new-canon materials taking place post-Return of the Jedi have actually focussed on Luke, or shown the specifics of what he was doing between then and The Force Awakens. We know the very basics — he was rebuilding the Jedi Order, his nephew was sent to him for training when he was around 10-12, Kylo/Ben fell to the Dark Side when he was 23 and killed all the students so Luke went into self-imposed exile — but there are many, many details we don't yet know. It sounds like there are details about this time period that they don't want us to know yet . . . maybe because it would spoil this movie. Like, for instance, that he did have a kid.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- She's not that similar to him, personality-wise—he's brash and emotional, she's calm and logical. He also couldn't wait to go off Tatooine, whereas she just wanted to stay on Jakku.
- When talking to Maz in the cantina, Maz tells her that whoever she's waiting for—her family—is never coming back, then adds that there's someone—Luke—who still could. That puts Luke in a different category from Rey's family, which suggests he's not part of it.
- It's also been confirmed via Word of God that Rey was on Jakku by the time of the Jedi massacre, which didn't occur until Kylo was 23 and she was 12 (she looks to be 5-ish at the time of her abandonment), so the best reason for Luke abandoning her—protecting her—is very, very unlikely.
- People who are related can sense it through the Force. This doesn't necessarily mean Luke would be able to sense her existence, if he were unaware of it for whatever reason (like a one-night stand), but it does mean Leia and Kylo Ren would be able to sense their relation. Leia (and Luke, near the end) would have no reason not to tell Rey about their relation, but they don't. And considering that Kylo knows Rey is lonely and longing for family, if he could sense they were cousins, he'd probably use that to try and lure her to the Dark Side.
- Darth Vader wasn't able to sense that Luke was his son in the first movie (nor did Luke sense that Vader was his dad), only that the Force was strong in Luke.
- This is more of an out of universe thing, but considering that most people expect Rey to be Luke's daughter, the writers don't really have a reason to be as coy about her heritage as they are. No one would be surprised if she were revealed as his daughter, so why bother keeping it a secret? Why play it up as a big surprise if it's just going to underwhelm people?
- Confirmed: JJ Abrams stated Rey's parents didn't appear in this film
, meaning Luke can't be her dad.
- Still, this should be taken with a grain of salt, considering his Lying Creator tendencies after denial of a plot point of Star Trek Into Darkness.
- JJ Abrams has said that lying about Khan was a mistake
. Pulling the same stunt twice, after admitting it was dumb, would be very bad for him.
- Old habits die hard. Remember when a certain director swears he won't be making another blockbuster movie in 3D for a franchise after completing one, only to be do that very same thing a few months later? Considering that Abrams loves the Mystery Box, he could easily slip back to his old habits such as outright lying.
- Apparently, Abrams corrected
himself, saying that he meant that "[Rey] doesn’t discover [her parents] in Episode VII. Not that they may not already be in her world”, so it's all up in the air, really.
- That's arguable; slipping up like that is a breach of the NDA contract, so he has to "correct" his statement to save face. His first, initial, off-guard response to a kid asking about Rey's parents was to blurt out that they weren't in the film, in words that don't remotely suggest she "doesn't discover them".
- I heard it was a deliberate sentencing and not a casual slip up.
- Rey could still be Luke's biological daughter whom he left with foster parents when she was a baby, for reasons that will later be explained. To Rey, these foster parents would be, for all intents and purposes, her real parents, and they might appear in episode VII or IX. So Abrams could've told the truth when he said Rey's (adoptive) parents didn't appear in episode VII.
- Adding credence to this theory, Daisy Ridley says that Luke has no idea who Rey is
.
- Keep in mind she could be lying. It's probably best not to take any statements from anyone involved with this movie at face value until it comes out.
- It's also worth noting that if Luke wasn't involved in raising Rey, for instance if she had to be hidden from the antagonists, then he might never have actually met her.
- Confirmed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed. Her father was a clone of Palpatine.
- Jossed. Her father was a clone of Palpatine.
- Jossed. Her father was a clone of Palpatine.
- Jossed by Pablo Hidalgo
, Daisy Ridley
, and Felicity Jones
.
- Jossed. Jyn doesn't survive to the events of the original trilogy, and Rey was born well after the original trilogy ended.
- Jossed by Pablo Hidalgo
- So the connection to the Skywalkers isn't biological but spiritual, and most of her circumstances surround Luke having tried/trying to steer her away from the same issues that derailed Anakin and eventually turned him. However, now that Ben has gone over (and will presumably re-emerge in VIII much more powerful and dangerous) he's going to need her rapidly advancing power to stand against him, and instead of playing the Obi-Wan role to an Anakin Expy, he's going to play the Obi-Wan role to an Expy of his younger self - along with all that entails.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- First off, Rey is eleven years younger than Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, her cousin. That means she would have been born around the time when Leia discovered that Snoke was actually a villain and had been messing with her son's head since he was a baby. This is exactly the kind of revelation that might cause Luke and Rey's mumnote to decide to hide their child away so Snoke wouldn't be able to corrupt them. And they would have to keep Ben in the dark because Snoke would be able to get the existence of the child from him, if he knew.
- SO: Luke and Rey's mum stage a public breakup, and she heads off for a backwater planet accompanied by at least one other adult she trusts who knows about the whole situation. Leia and Han know something of what's going on, but not where the kid is being hidden. For the next five years, Rey grows up happily on this planet, totally oblivious to her own importance. Luke visits whenever he can get away without anyone not in the know noticing his absence.
- Alternatively, he may not have a chance to visit and instead has to rely on infrequent messages sent covertly because his duties and fame are such that he can't sneak off to visit without being noticed. If he's never actually met his daughter in person or even had the chance to actually speak to her, it would explain Daisy Ridley's statement that Luke doesn't know who Rey is. (Unless she was lying.)
- Now, Snoke is somehow suspicious — perhaps the fake breakup wasn't quite enough to convince him — and has agents searching for whatever Luke is hiding. When Rey is five, the agents find them. Now, Rey's family have been Properly Paranoid, and they flee in their ship. However, they are forced to adopt radio silence, only being able to send Luke a pre-arranged code in case of just this situation. So Luke has no idea where they are.
- Rey's mum and the other adult(s) come up with a plan to shake off their pursuers and get somewhere safe. This plan, however, is quite dangerous and they don't want Rey on board for it. Passing through the Western Reaches, and in a hurry, they pick Jakku because it is an unimportant backwater. They leave Rey with Plutt for what is intended to be no longer than a week, bribing him a hefty sum. If they had had more time, they might have left her at Tuanul — but they don't. Rey's mum, as a final precaution, uses the Force to suppress Rey's memories so she doesn't innocently say or do anything that would give the shady characters at Niima Outpost any information on her true identity.
- The memory wipe also means it's pretty likely that "Rey" is not any part of her real name, and she got it from Dosmit Ræh's helmet.
- What happens next is pretty cloudy. Perhaps the pursuers were attempting to drive them into an ambush. At any rate, the plan went wrong and Rey's mum, and whoever else was with her, are killed. Luke, and everyone else who knew about Rey's existence, think she's dead. Rey winds up stuck on a desert armpit for 14 years without knowing anything of her true identity. And Snoke, in all likelihood, used this incident as further ammunition to turn Ben away from his family.
- OR, alternatively . . .
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- So, again, Rey is conceived around the same time that Leia finds out what Snoke's been doing to her son. This time, however, Rey's mother, who is Force-sensitive, has a premonition/"bad feeling" and decides to hide her child on her own. She breaks up with Luke of her own volition to conceal the child's existence, and hides out somewhere, in a somewhat mistaken belief that this is the right thing to do to keep Rey safe. Things unfold as in the above theory, with Snoke getting suspicious and sending agents to track Rey's mum and whoever else she's with down, and the family is forced to go on the run. Things occur as described above, but either without a message to Luke or a message that either he doesn't completely get due to deliberately vague language, or he does understand but doesn't realize that Rey is his daughter. Ultimately, the result is (obviously) the same: Rey is stuck on Jakku with everyone who knew where she was dead. This variant would also explain Daisy Ridley's statement that Luke doesn't know who Rey is — unless Ms. Ridley was lying.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- The memories of being left behind on Jakku by her parents? False memories planted in her head to keep her from leaving. It wouldn't be the first time the franchise has used a twist like this.
- This would also imply that she's been on Jakku for much less time than she thought, which would explain her abilities in the Force.
- Jossed.
- A group of Jedi, unbeknownst to the Council, took it upon themselves to fulfill the "chosen one" prophecy. For generations, they conducted a selective breeding program designed to produce a child who could learn to use the power of the Light Side with the ease of the Dark, and who would rise above both sides to unite the Galaxy. Anakin Skywalker was an earlier, failed attempt at this, and when he wiped out the Jedi after turning to the Dark Side, the Jedi conducting the program were either killed or forced underground. Rey's appearance was therefore unexpected, and threw everyone else's plans into disarray.
tl,dr; Rey is the Qui-Gon Haderach. - Jossed. Her father was a clone of Palpatine.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Pretty safe to say this one's Jossed. Snoke looks nothing like Maul, and Darth Maul turned up in Rebels and has now been Killed Off for Real.
Snoke was a confidant or other close ally from Palpatine. He originates from the Unknown Regions, hence why that's where the First Order is found. It is also why he and Palpatine were interested in one another. Star Wars: Aftermath shows the Emperor was interested in the edge of the galaxy and other less-explored regions like the Unknown Regions. Snoke offered Palpatine further reach, Palpatine offered Snoke power and they offered each other knowledge in the Force and the galaxy they had difficulty accessing. Eventually Snoke became part of the Empire's contingency plan, and with that learned more on Vader and his legacy.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.