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to everyone I missed and... despite my love for stupid puns, a no to the image

To the previous baddies except for one...

I don't want to sound rude but guys? Are we forgetting the prime rules that separates the Complete Monster from the rest? Toby barely appears on-screen in the span of seven films if we count Tokyo Night, which i have watched for myself; When Toby does get his human form, the only thing we see are his feet, and even then he still communicates by growling at people. My conclusion? Toby is ultimately an underdeveloped antagonist with minimal characterization.

to Toby.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on May 25th 2019 at 4:37:54 PM

Considering that...I am inclined to strengthen my "no" on Toby.

Yeah, that's kinda where I'm looking at it. Toby doesn't even get much dialogue...it's possible for an emotive silent antagonist to count (I'm looking at you, Kazuo Kiriyama from Br's film adaptation), but Toby is invisible.

Oh, yeah, I've seen Brightburn. Discussion in 13 days. I'll just say this: Ever seen a movie based on a concept you've seen done far better? That would have been better as a 10-15 minute short film?

Edited by Lightysnake on May 25th 2019 at 12:41:19 PM

Screw it, no to Toby.

It wasn't that bad. Maybe it failed to really do anything new with its concept, but at least it was over quickly.

Switching to no on Toby.

Edited by Bullman on May 25th 2019 at 2:52:33 PM

switching to on Toby

(and I was interested in Brightburn, too...)

Vandal, Adams, Demidol, York, Ranjuji

Toby

@Lighty: So what you're saying is just stay home and continue reading Irredeemable? Gotcha.

Here's Vandal, along with a tweaked rewrite to the original Vandal. Thanks to 43 for his help with both.

• The Multiversity: Society of Super-Heroes: Conquerors from the Counter-World! #1: Vandal Savage from Earth-40—heavily implied to be Cain himself—is a psychotic immortal who has been conquering for centuries and instituting Rape, Pillage, and Burn as a system of oppressive government. Every 100,000 years, Earth-20 and Earth-40 occupy the same space. Vandal—after biting out the throat of a scientist who can't satisfactorily explain this phenomenon—decides to conquer these other worlds. After Vandal and his Society successfully conquer Earth-20, they face the Society of Super-Heroes. Immortal Man manages to kill Vandal—to the latter's delight, as spilling an immortal's blood summons Niczhuotan, the destroyer of worlds.
• Vandal Savage was born Vandar Adg, a caveman who received super intellect and immortality from a meteorite, and used his endless life to become the biggest monster he could. Over the millennia, he has been one of the most vicious and depraved men in history and one of the most efficient, best manipulators in the DCU, with billions of bodies to his name. Vandal has spent his time as The Man Behind the Man to many conquerors, organizing conquests and massacres. Vandal has also fathered legions of monsters, but with the exception of one child, he considers the rest pathetic and treats their lives or deaths as not worthy of his attention. His treatment toward his sole legitimate child, Scandal, was no better: On her birthday, he forced her to run a gauntlet of men beating her, and if she failed, he swore he'd murder her mother. Despite Scandal being a lesbian, Vandal wants a male heir—and has no compunction having Scandal raped by other supervillains to get it. Vandal's crimes have also including introducing a new drug in the stead of heroin that burns out its users to death very quickly; cannibalism—which he might well have invented as a concept; attempting to pull an asteroid down to Earth; murdering Golden Age superheroes with their families after founding a Neo-Nazi group called The Fourth Reich; and planning to nuke Washington, D.C. (thanks to Solaris, Montevideo, Uruguay was nuked instead, killing over a million people).

Vandal

Adams

Demidol

York

Ranjuji

Vandal Adams Demidol York Ranjuji Toby

Everybody from Savage to here.

Toby

Yes to the image, I like it.

• Jack from The House That Jack Built: 1◊, 2◊.
• Emil◊ from Vampire Circus.
• Giuseppe Colombano "Gyp" Rosetti◊ from Boardwalk Empire.
• Brynhildr in the Darkness: Loki is a member from an ancient and extinct alien race that created humans as food—and is strongly implied to have caused the extinction of said race. Faking unconsciousness for thousands of years, Loki waits until he is "awakened" to fulfill the plans of Takachiho, leader of Vingulf, before starting a massacre, devouring every human in his way and taking a human form, enjoying the horror that he induces in his victims. After fulfilling his goal of eating a Valkyria class Magician to recover his complete form, his first action is swallowing an entire city with the intention of doing the same to the entire human race.
• The Goon: In this darkly comedic world filled with cannibals, giant monsters, and vampires, these three manage to surpass all others in pure evil:
  • The Zombie Priest/The Nameless Man, real name possibly Rumpelstiltskin, is the Overarching Villain of the entire series, and the Goon's Arch-Enemy. A wicked necromancer and former member of the Coven, the Priest was a demon who would trick poor couples in need to take their babies and eat/sacrifice them. Escaping Hell after a millennium of torture, the Priest sought out the curse of the Nameless Town in order to acquire its power and make both human and demon alike obey him. He turned everyone in a small town into a zombie, turning its sheriff, Buzzard, into an immortal ghoul, later capturing and torturing him for two months via starvation. Tricking a poor farmer named Houstus Grave into becoming his gravedigger, the Priest granted Houstus and his sons leprosy that caused the death of his wife. Running out of zombies thanks to the Goon, he decides to use the corpse of a pregnant woman, dubbed the Mother Corpse, to give birth to deadly zombie babies, all while making her believe herself to be an expecting mother. Kicked out of his castle by the Arab, the Priest becomes a street beggar who helps others for money, assisting corrupt businessmen in their murders and ruining the lives of plenty, placing the blame on them. He then kills and eats his most loyal Familiar.
  • Longfingers, the most twisted member of the Coven, is a sinister Bogeyman who runs a seeming church where he murders and preys upon the innocent, keeping their bones as trophies to gnaw upon. Seeking to kill many people in the city to create his "promised land", Longfingers is a monstrous sadist who targets children to devour, in one instance learning of a woman who became a mother late in life. Longfingers stole the child, ate him and sent his teeth to the mother, just to dine upon her sorrows as much as he devoured her child's flesh.
  • Harrison Blank, from issue #37, is a cruel robber baron who forces his workers into unsafe conditions to save costs, with many workers dying in his mines. When his garment factory catches fire, 142 women burn or leap to their deaths, Blank refusing any responsibility after having bribed the fire marshal to overlook the safety hazards. When the workers try to unionize, Blank sends his thugs to bust the unions, savagely beating or killing the protesters, even allying with the Zombie Priest to summon a demon after them in the name of his rapacious greed.
• 1999: Mr. Bear, the owner of Caledon Local 21, was a Serial Killer who targeted children. He created several shows geared towards children, and he would frequently invite his viewers to become guest stars on the show. He would then hold hostage of the children who came to his house held hostage, and filmed himself interacting with them, occasionally abusing them if they acted against his rules. After acquiring enough victims, Mr. Bear eventually drugged sixteen children before burning all of them alive and fleeing from the police, never to be seen again.
• Vandal Savage: Born Vandar Adg, he was a caveman who received super intellect and immortality from a meteorite, after which he used his endless life to become the biggest monster he could. Over the millennia, he has been one of the most vicious and depraved men in history and one of the most efficient, best manipulators in the DCU, with billions of bodies to his name. Vandal has spent his time as The Man Behind the Man to many conquerors, organizing conquests and massacres. Vandal has also fathered legions of monsters, but with the exception of one child, he considers the rest pathetic and treats their lives or deaths as not worthy of his attention. His treatment toward his sole legitimate child, Scandal, was no better: On her birthday, he forced her to run a gauntlet of men beating her, and if she failed, he swore he'd murder her mother. Despite Scandal being a lesbian, Vandal wants a male heir—and has no compunction having Scandal raped by other supervillains to get it. Vandal's crimes have also including introducing a new drug in the stead of heroin that burns out its users to death very quickly; cannibalism—which he might well have invented as a concept; attempting to pull an asteroid down to Earth; murdering Golden Age superheroes with their families after founding a Neo-Nazi group called The Fourth Reich; and planning to nuke Washington, D.C. (thanks to Solaris, Montevideo, Uruguay was nuked instead, killing over a million people).
• The Multiversity: Society of Super-Heroes: Conquerors from the Counter-World! #1: Vandal Savage from Earth-40—heavily implied to be Cain himself—is a psychotic immortal who has been conquering for centuries and instituting Rape, Pillage, and Burn as a system of oppressive government. Every 100,000 years, Earth-20 and Earth-40 occupy the same space. Vandal—after biting out the throat of a scientist who can't satisfactorily explain this phenomenon—decides to conquer these other worlds. After Vandal and his Society successfully conquer Earth-20, they face the Society of Super-Heroes. Immortal Man manages to kill Vandal—to the latter's delight, as spilling an immortal's blood summons Niczhuotan, the destroyer of worlds.
• The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension: John Whorfin is the ruthless leader of the Red Lectroids from Planet 10. In opposition to the peaceful Black Lectroids, Whorfin seeks to conquer his homeworld and proclaim himself its lord and master, but he and his forces were banished to the 8th Dimension for their crimes. Escaping with his forces due to Dr. Hikita and Dr. Lizardo's experiment, Whorfin possesses the latter and is sent to a mental institute until he breaks out by killing a guard, and has his men find Buckaroo Banzai and steal his perfected overthruster, to use with his ship to return to Planet 10 and continue his conquest. Whorfin has Penny Priddy captured and tortured for information on the overthruster, ordering her killed when Banzai doesn't cooperate; this eventually leads to Whorfin viciously electrocuting Banzai. Whorfin then attempts to use an unfinished overthruster to pilot his ship, despite the danger of destroying his ship and his forces along with it, coldly killing Bigboote for trying to convince him otherwise. Described as being a "bloodthirsty butcher", Whorfin stands out for being a dark presence within a lighthearted film.
• The Bone Collector: Marcus Andrews, aka Richard Thompson, the titular Serial Killer, was a forensics expert who was convicted by Lincoln Rhyme, after planting evidence that resulted in six innocent people being imprisoned, with one of them hanging themselves. After being let out of prison six years later, Marcus, driven by revenge towards Lincoln, abducts people by posing as a taxi driver and surgically removing a piece of a bone for Lincoln to use as clues, and puts them in life-threatening scenarios, giving Lincoln and his partner, Amelia Donaghy, barely enough time to save them before they die a horrific death. While Amelia saves a young girl that was tied to a pier, Marcus goes to Lincoln's house, killing the police captain and Lincoln's caretaker, to confront him. Blaming him for the abuse he suffered in prison, Marcus attempts to kill Lincoln before being shot down by Amelia.
• Dune Warriors (1990): The vicious warlord William travels the Wasteland, controlling the water supply and killing as he desires. Opening the film with the slaughter of a settlement, William later murders several travelers and menaces the main settlement of the film to force them under his rule. When they resist, led by the wandering warrior Michael who has a grudge to settle with William, William happily tries to wipe them out as well to secure his power.
• The Evil Clergyman (from Pulse Pounders): The wicked former priest Jonathan and his familiar Brown Jenkin are a dark warlock and a hideous rat beast with a sinister MO: Jonathan seduces women, luring them into his clutches before driving them insane and murdering them or more commonly having them take their own lives so he can harvest their souls with Brown Jenkin for more power, while Brown Jenkin terrifies and abuses them into suicide. Having done this to numerous women, Jonathan seduces the main heroine of the film when she is approached by the soul of the Archbishop of Canterbury, who was beaten to death by Jonathan for attempting to stop him. Jonathan tricks his lover into suicide, giving her soul to Brown Jenkin and moving on to continue his dark work.
• From Beyond: Dr. Edward Pretorious is a sadomasochistic Mad Scientist seemingly munched by an outer-dimensional creature through the use of his device the Resonator. Far from dead, Pretorious becomes one of the monstrous creatures on the other side of reality and starts to drive his own colleague Dr. Crawford mad alongside his companions, gleefully changing their minds and having one of them horribly devoured by eldritch bugs. Pretorious drives Crawford into becoming a brain-eating maniac, molests his companion Dr. MacMichaels, and tries to transcend back to the human world to devour the entire human race, gloating how he's become the most powerful being in the universe.
• The Haunted Palace (1963): Joseph Curwen, an Evil Sorcerer who lived in the palace above the village of Arkham, pledged his loyalty and the Earth itself to the rule of the Outer Gods, offering them up many young women to forcibly mate with and breed an army of superhuman monsters-–resulting in many abominated failures, and horrible deformities polluting their bloodline generations later. Eventually burned for his crimes, Curwen comes back to life over 100 years later by slowly taking over the mind of his descendant Charles Dexter Ward, attempting to rape his wife and exercise his "[[Marital Rape License husbandly prerogative]" and, after failing to have her locked away for supposed insanity, decides to make her the next mate of his Gods. Curwen even takes time to horribly murder many of the descendants who lynched him far in the past, burning a man alive with a match and having another devoured by his monstrous son, vowing not to stop until every last person in Arkham has been picked off and made to die as excruciatingly as he had.
• Johnny Mad Dog: General Never Die, from The Film of the Book, is a ruthless, sociopathic Rebel Leader of the Liberians United for Reconciliation and Democracy (LURD). Responsible for conscripting children into his army during the Second Liberian Civil War, Never Die brainwashes his Child Soldiers so they could be prepared to kill and die for him, cutting their foreheads and rubbing cocaine into the open wounds to make them more effective in the battlefield and encouraging them to indulge in Rape, Pillage, and Burn because their victims are government sympathizers and collaborators. Forcing a boy to shoot his own father as a recruitment process while looting a village, Never Die sends his militia to capture a TV station to stop them from "sharing propaganda", resulting in the boys killing workers and raping a newswoman. Recruiting more children to his cause, Never Die orders his soldiers to violently seize control of a town and personally executes a boy for not taking part in the conflict. With the town under their influence, Never Die's boys routinely oppress the population, ranging from stealing a pig to killing the passengers of a car and an innocent child. After winning the war alongside his fellow rebels, Never Die quickly abandons his boys for a chance to live comfortably by being assimilated into the ranks of the regular army.
• Vampire Circus:
  • Count Mitterhaus, the vampire ruler of the village of Steitl , seduces the wife of a village leader so that she will bring him children he can feed on. Mitterhaus opens the film draining and murdering a little girl and slaughtering her rescue party when they come. After they manage to get lucky and stake him, Mitterhaus vows he will have the lives of their children to restore him to life. From beyond the grave, he instructs his mistress Anna to find his cousin Emil and carry out a plan 16 years in the making. Sixteen years later, Emil and Anna return with "the Circus of the Night", and under Mitterhaus's plan begin to murder the village children so their blood can revive the Count. Upon revival, Mitterhaus attempts kill every human at hand, not even caring about the fates of those who had served him so loyally—not even his own children.
  • The aforementioned Emil is the leader of the aforementioned Circus of Night, which roams Eastern Europe, murdering those it encounters. Emil spreads a plague to the village of Steitl to provide cover for his circus and sets about murdering people to revive his cousin Mitterhaus. Slaughtering and tormenting numerous villagers, including children, Emil later murders his own human subordinates when they have fulfilled their purpose, even killing his partner Anna when she objects to Emil murdering her daughter.
• Kamen Rider Heisei Generations FOREVER (Build/Zi-O crossover): Tid/Another Kuuga is a Time Jacker who attempts to conquer the world by completely eradicating the history of the Heisei Riders, taking the young child Shingo who exists as a singularity point in time–-thus keeping the Kamen Riders existent in the world–-and sealing him away forever to destroy their timelines and render them as nothing more than fiction in his world. Attempting to brainwash the heroes and trying to murder Shingo's own brother, Tid eventually raises a tower in the middle of a large city and has monsters wreak wanton havoc all throughout the city, eventually assuming his form as Another Ultimate Kuuga and vaporizing swathes of innocents himself. Tid attempts to annihilate everything that lives in the throes of his breakdown, declaring he alone "deserves to smile".
• Johnny Dixon: Wrath of the Grinning Ghost: The titular Grinning Ghost, Nyarlat-Hotep, is a cunning, eldritch spirit walking among humanity who sunk Atlantis to bask in the fear and agony of a million dying souls and cut through swathes of human lives as the demon pirate Damon Boudron before being seemingly killed. Bringing himself back to life through the horrible sacrifice of twelve people, Nyarlat-Hotep kidnaps the soul of Johnny's father and tortures him into insanity, luring Johnny himself to do even worse to him in front of his father's eyes unless he submits. Nyarlat-Hotep attempts to regain physical form and eradicate the entire human race, as prelude to ruling the realm of spirits as a tyrant forevermore.
• Tigana: Alberico of Barbiador is a powerful sorcerer and brutal tyrant, unlike the more powerful Brandin. Seeking to dominate all in his path, Alberico responds to an assassination attempt by crucifying his attackers' families, children included, to giant "death wheels", cutting off their hands and stuffing them in their mouths while leaving them to perish of exposure. When feeling slighted by poets, Alberico selects 20 poets at random to give the same treatment to, while frequently having his men commit atrocious war crimes during conquest. When war is provoked between him and Brandin, Alberico marches his forces, burning and slaughtering as he goes. Despised by all, Brandin comments that Alberico is wholly devoid of any human passion, simply wanting for the sake of ambition and nothing more.
• Anita Blake: The Laughing Corpse: Senora Dominga Salvador is a powerful voodoo priestess who has been taking souls and forcing them back into their dead bodies to stop the process of rotting, but at the cost of leaving the souls painfully aware of their situation. To prove her theory, she explains to Anita how she returned the soul to a zombie, then took it out to leave it to rot, then put it back into the body to see if it will stop decaying. Not only does she use these zombies to make money in a prostitution ring, she also plans to sell her knowledge to the highest bidder.
• Bayonetta 2: Loptr is the Evil Counterpart of Loki, both having split off from the original creator god Aesir. Revealed as responsible for the evil of Father Balder from the first game, Loptr murdered Balder's beloved, the Umbra Witch Rosa, and framed Loki for it to send Balder on a hunt for vengeance, as his plan required Loki out of the way. Loptr manipulates Bayonetta and her allies while causing death and destruction until he can seize the ultimate powers of creation for himself and recreate himself as the ultimate god anew. His evil even infects Balder to turn him from a noble warrior into the genocidal monster from the first game. He's also the reason why Balder hates Bayonetta and believes she, along with all other Umbra Witches and hellspawn, must die.
• Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg: William Dudley Pelley is the leader of the far-right Silver Legion faction within Huey Long's America First Party. During the Second American Civil War, Pelley allies with Huey Long as a part of his right-wing American Union State, fighting against the left-wing Combined Syndicates of America and the Federal Government. If the AUS wins the civil war, Pelley will launch a coup if Huey Long rejects measures to enforce Prohibition. If victorious, Pelley purges everyone in the AUS government that's not in his faction, and executes Huey Long, turning America into a white supremacist Christian fundamentalist nation. Once in power, Pelley enacts policies such as enforcing Jim Crow laws across all of America, absorbing The Klan into the government and forming a Klan-led Secret Police, and sends dissidents to forced labor camps. Pelley also proposes acts to restrict African American freedom of movement, cuts African American education to only focus on labor education, and expands African American criminalization and penal labor to bring back slavery. Pelley also fosters rabid anti-vaccination conspiracy theories, leading to the biggest polio outbreak in American history. Notoriously racist even for his era, and despised by every other faction within the America First Party, Pelley represents the worst aspects of the American far-right.
• The Last of Us: The seemingly kindhearted David is really a sinister cult leader in the post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. Raiding a university, David steals—and later kills—the horse Callus and leaves Joel in excruciating pain. He later reveals himself to be a cannibal, feeding human meat to his unsuspecting followers and with many previous victims. Becoming obsessed with the teenaged Ellie, David states his intent to use her to repopulate the world, and when she escapes from his clutches, he sends waves of his men to track her down, apathetic to their ensuing deaths. In his final confrontation with Ellie, David shows his full depravity, thanking her for killing his men and making his group stronger, in his own words, and trying to rape and kill her personally. Even among a cast of morally gray characters, David's actions and personality show him to be utterly irredeemable and the most heinous of all the enemies faced by Joel and Ellie.
• LISA trilogy: Dr. Yado is behind the events of the entire trilogy. Having participated in the project that created Joy, Yado was the only one who figured out how to control the resulting Joy Mutants. This discovery gave him a massive god complex, and he immediately went to mutate the other scientists so they wouldn't figure him out. With the help of Buzzo, Yado introduced Joy as a drug to start turning humans into his mutant slaves. In order to speed up the process, he triggered the Great White Flash, killing off all women and destroying society. The only survivor, his pregnant wife, was hidden away so she could give birth to their daughter, Nancy, whom Yado would use to start a war to kill or mutate every surviving man. When the time came, Yado killed his wife and let Brad find his daughter, whom Brad renamed Buddy and became extremely protective of; this led to Brad slaughtering the entirety of Rando's Army and many others before mutating. Noticing that Buddy had taken Joy herself, Yado left messages pushing Buddy to kill as much as possible in hopes she would mutate. When cornered, Yado attacked Buddy with his strongest mutant before finally getting killed by a disgusted Buzzo.
• Mirror World: Syrile—real name Ishirō Hamada, a former member of Unit 731—is a member of House Dusk and one of Korva's minions. Obsessed with perfecting the devoiding process, Syrile resurrected hundreds of corpses and experimented on them, not caring that the reanimated bodies became sapient and were fully aware of all the torture that Syrile put them through. Syrile even went as far as arranging fatal accidents on various inhabitants of Inoptica just so he could use their bodies for future experiments. After kidnapping Geiger, Syrile forces Vita to assist him with his plans, only to later take her hostage as a bargaining chip when House Midnight attacks House Dusk's stronghold. Eager to save his own hide, Syrile kills Razmin before teaming up with House Dawn and offering to expose the secrets of the other three Houses. Even after Syrile becomes human again and returns home, all he can think about are the ghastly experimentations he plans on conducting in the future.
• Midnight Circus: Devyn Cavendish, born Anastagio Salvatore, is a powerful Nephandi mage who has sold his soul for power. The longest serving ringmaster of the Midnight Circus, Cavendish manages the day to day affairs, eliminating troublesome employees, spreading murder and mayhem, and harvesting countless souls to give to the "Old Shareholders", or the hellish forces behind the Circus, while stealing some for his own experiments. A selfish and murderous man, Cavendish tricks multitudes of innocents into surrendering their souls or outright lures them to their doom, while enslaving supernatural beings to do his bidding. One of the vilest beings in the World of Darkness, Cavendish represents the utter rot and monstrosity that the once-noble Circus now embodies.
• Celtic Mythology: Balor, King of the Fomorians, was a brutal conqueror who was best known for his "evil eye" that could bring horrific ruin and destruction. Sweeping it across entire islands to burn all there, Balor established himself as a brutal tyrant who locked his daughter away after a prophecy her child would destroy him. When his daughter became pregnant, Balor killed several of the resulting babies with only one, Lugh, surviving to return to bring him down.
• Moville Mysteries: The avaricious Professor Kindly, from "The Day Rico Became Smart", has taken to eliminating his rivals so that he can steal and profit from their ideas. Finding his targets through papers that have been submitted for peer review, Kindly lures the victims to his lair, where he cuts their brains out while they are fully conscious and aware, at one point informing a would-be victim, "Now then, this won't hurt a bit...it'll hurt a lot!" After extracting information from the excised brains, Kindly keeps them as souvenirs, preserving them in jars that adorn his mantel. When Rico Caliente, a jock who gained Sudden Intelligence from a concussion, loses his newfound intellect and escapes Kindly's clutches before his knowledge can be harvested, Kindly sees it as no big loss, since no one will believe what the boy has to say, and he still has Rico's stolen cold fusion thesis to claim as his own and get rich off of. A greedy, sadistic Serial Killer, the professor stands out as the show's starkest example of Humans Are the Real Monsters, as his episode is the only one without any paranormal elements.

Edited by ACW on May 28th 2019 at 5:46:50 AM

While I'm not necessarily saying Toby counts, I am curious why everyone always seems to give Michael Myers such an easy pass. He more or less never speaks and we never get much personality facial wise since he wears a mask. He's just a malevolent entity that goes around killing people for no real discernable reason than because he's evil. I've always personally seen Michael as a small scale GDV and never understood why people hold him up as a standard for this trope.

Michael defined the standard there. There is more than enough to showcase utter malice from him, in his psychological torments to his victims, his body language, his stalking of the others, his posing of Laurie's friends, etc.

Through his actions, we know that Myers is an utter sadist. Especially in later films where he props his victims up to further intimidate his next target. He is a Flat Character, but largely one on purpose.

Unlike Toby, we see Michael's body language.

To Toby then

This thread moves very fast. I would love to vote on some candidate but first, an EP.

Just watched the movie Troy and I think I found a possible candidate; Agamemnon.

We all know The Illiad I bet. We know the story, but the Greeks are the villains here.

Who is he and what does he do?

He is the king of Myceane and the all of Greece after uniting all of the kingdom of Greece. His goal is to conquer Troy, the only power who can rival Greece. When Agamemnon's brother, Menelaus makes peace with Troy, Agamemnon is upset. Later, Paris, the prince of Troy, takes Menelaus wife Helen to Troy and Menelaus is outraged and asks Agamemnon to go to war with Troy. Agamemnon, having wanted to conquer Troy for some time, agrees and they sail for Troy. When his best warrior, the famous Achilles wins the battle at the Trojan beach, Agamemnon claims credit for the victory and takes Briseis, a priestess and member of the Trojan Royal Family, as his prize. Achilles falls in love with Briseis. The next day, Agamemnon meets with the Trojans at the battlefield, and offers Paris and Hector (princes of Troy) a peace if they surrender. The offer is refused, and Agamemnon promises to kill every single Trojan ever. A duel between Paris and Menelaus happens, which results in Paris losing the duel but Menelaus being killed by Hector. Greeks lose the battle. Afterwards, Agamemnon becomes more enraged than ever, and gives Briseis to his man to be raped. Later in the movie, (after the duel between Achilles and Hector) he states that he will burn Troy to the ground, "even if it costs [him] 40,000 Greeks!" Of course, the Trojan horse is built and Greeks invade Troy and start massively slaughtering civilians and burning the city to the ground with Agamemnon laughing the whole time and yelling "burn Troy!". He also personally slaughters Priam, the king of Troy, and refuses his request to spare the innocent. In the end, he encounters Briseis (whom Achilles has returned to Troy earlier) and promises her to make his sex slave, before being killed by her with a hidden knife.

Heinous I say so. Burning a whole city/country to the ground, slaughtering civilians, and giving a young woman to his men for rape, I would say pushes him over. The only character who matches him in heinousness is his brother Menelaus whom I might EP too.

Redeeming qualities

Now this is tricky. He becomes more enraged when his brother Menelaus is killed and during Menelaus's funeral, Agamemnon says "Don't worry brother. I will burn the city to the ground". However, that seems more like a petty excuse since he wanted to burn Troy before Menelaus got killed. He never mentions him again later. I don't think he cares about him. I am willing to her opposing opinions though.

Final thought

You guys decide. I would appreciate opinions as opposed to plain votes.

Edited by emperors on May 25th 2019 at 6:11:53 AM

If we set our standards of personality on Michael Myers, then I personally feel Toby makes the cut. He kills his victims in needlessly cruel ways and torments them ruthlessly throughout the movies. Toby gets a from me.

We get a close up of Agamemnon looking horrified his brother is killed. No. It’s not accurate to say he never mentions him again. When hector stabs him, we close up on s shocked and horrified Agamemnon, and when Odysseus mentions him later? “My brothers body is not even cold and you insult him!”

Edited by Lightysnake on May 25th 2019 at 3:14:50 AM

Assuming that Ranjuji kills people other than those Yakuza bosses, to him.

Switching to a on Toby, and to the villain from Troy based on what Lighty said.