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One of Demon Lord Odio's avatars is in fact Dio Brando
Think about it; in Japan Dio's name would be written Brando Dio... and his entire childhood was meant to make him into a bitter and hateful man.
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The game is a massive Shout-Out to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Seven parts all connected by theme naming?
  • Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was still on its fourth part when Live A Live was released.

The Medieval Chapter was one big Evil Plan by the former Demon Lord
Inevitably, someone would strike the Demon Lord down, and he knew that. So what did he do? He prepared for someone to continue his legacy. He forged magical statues with pinpoints in time so he could conquer more. Then he attacked again. He captured Alicia, drew heroes towards him, and he was — physically — forevermore vanquished. A small sacrifice if he could scar humanity forever. At this point, he probably knew Hash, honorable hero that he was, would not be satisfied with such a feeble show of strength by what he knew was an opponent worthy of being known as a demon. He would search for the demon, and Odio would try to feed on any hatred left in him. But what's this! Hash had a plague. He was unfit to even fight. Tch. Foiled by the noble sacrifice of the old guard. But even still, they had brought young blood... Straybow, Straybow was the target. Odio seized the opportunity and unleashed Straybow's resentment and hatred towards being second fiddle.

At this point, he probably wanted Straybow to be his successor, to go through time and conquer with the statues he'd left behind. But Oersted came. He saw. He fought his former best friend. He lost his love. He lost everything. Odio's gambit paid off bigger than he ever imagined, as now, Oersted's sense of justice was ripe to be twisted by hatred... and he turned on mankind.

  • Wait, so what was the shadow-thing that has Alicia captured in the game over sequence? It looks different than the Demon Lord, whose overworld sprite is far more gargoyle-y.
    • Did you even meet Odio in the final chapter? He looks exactly like the shadowy figure in the game over in the Medieval Chapter. That is Odio's true form. Straybow transformed when Orsted was killed in battle in that scenario and the result from the transformation warped Straybow's mind further than he could comprehend, completely obliterating his consciousness. Odio probably thought Oersted was a far better host to inhabit and pitted both of them against each other; in other words, Odio placed a fragment of his own consciousness into Orsted and another into Straybow.
      • It seems far more likely that the "game over" screen is only occurring in Oersted's mind. Straybow has no reason to be taking that form around Alicia, and as the ending makes clear, Alicia isn't actually in love with Oersted, and considers herself to already have been rescued by Straybow. Therefore, the scene with demon Straybow hovering over Alicia while she cries out for Oersted just doesn't make sense as anything other than Oersted's imagining.
  • This WMG does make sense a lot. Even before Oersted decided to become the Demon King, the statues of Odio's incarnations are still there, so someone must've prepared it before Oersted came. Also in regards of Straybow, notice that one of the things he said when he revealed himself to Oersted was "My emotions suddenly exploded!". I think that was part of the true Demon King's plan, when Straybow read the encryption about the Demon King, that was when he struck and 'brainwashed' Straybow into eventually setting up Oersted's downfall. In other words, Straybow is just as much a victim as Oersted. The sad thing, Oersted probably never knew nor cared.
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    • Straybow also says, though, that he was already really pissed off at Oersted when he lost the tournament to him. Immediately pretending to team up with someone he hates is a sign that he was up to something right from the start. But if he says this during the final confrontation, it may make more sense that he was bottling up those emotions, but then the possession by the Demon King makes him more open about it, beforehand he might have held his jealousy in check. With the Demon King getting into his mind, he's more than likely to vent it out. Common scenario about 'brainwashing makes you reveal some dirty secrets/jealousy you've been having since the beginning'.

Orsted is an Apostle and the demon statue was one of the Godhand in disguise

Oersted/Odio is The Operator/Slenderman
Just listen to that static sound during his chapter, especially when he finds Alicia.

Should the game gets a remake/sequel...
Then we will get another Odio incarnation to fight aside of Oersted... but
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Watanabe. Pissed off that he's treated like the universe's punching bag who's played for laughs rather than drama, he hated all those mistreatments and true to Oersted's words, 'As long as there is hatred...', Watanabe will gather all his incarnations which were abused and became the Demon King to make the world pay for laughing at his misery.

The only probable exception is the Watanabe at Akira's chapter, since he seemed content enough.

Watanabe is the one who set Oersted up to fall!
In every era, in every setting, that poor green-haired kid suffers the loss of his father, and the chapter's hero just... watches. When Oersted kills Watan Naibi in the tournament, he's finally had enough, and decides to utterly BREAK this hero... ultimately making the situations that killed his father in the first place. Dumb kid.
  • Actually it's Straybow that kills Watan Naibi, not Oersted. Though I suppose that getting the mage angry/jealous enough to try and be a demon himself would have worked.
  • The tournament seems to run on a no-kill policy, otherwise Straybow would've been killed at the beginning of the chapter when Oersted beat him. Therefore, Watan Naibi is probably just knocked out unconscious by Straybow. However, it's still possible that the kid put his father on such a high pedestal that he wouldn't stand seeing his father defeated by some mage he doesn't know and then got all these messes started.
    • This is likely. Real Life Medieval Tournaments typically were No Kill Policy. Or at least, that was the intention. Accidental deaths have happened, many of them from the jousts.
    • Oersted makes sure not to kill Straybow because he considers the mage a friend at this point. As for Straybow killing Watan... yup, he did and had no remorse about it — a warning sign which everyone should have paid more attention to. Specifically, he was too preoccupied with Oersted to care whether anyone else lived or died (whether or not he'd arranged the "demon king's return" from the start or was corrupted later). The tournament rules probably don't care what happens to the losers.
    • Either it's hardware limitations, or... Oersted's opponent just goes poof once his match is over, meaning that he's probably dead. On the other hand, Watan is showed to be falling down and having his son drag him crying, leading possibilities of him not quite dead. Think of it; Oersted is a knight, if he kills his opponent, he would leave remnants to be cleaned up. Straybow is a mage: if he's serious about killing, he may as well just blow his opponent into pieces with less remains with his magic. Either that, or someone took the corpse of Oersted's opponent and carried it away when the screen goes black to shift back to 'cutscene' mode.

Akira is meant to be the default protagonist of the final chapter
When Oersted first visited the room of statues, the Odeo statue will always be at the center. And when you pick any protagonist, their respective Odio incarnation will take the center place, and the Odeo statue will replace that Odio incarnation's former place. So they were thinking that by default, Akira would be the one leading the attack against Oersted. But then, the game was quite open-ended, so it's not seen at the get-go.

Tying into that is Akira's special dungeon. It is the only place that gives the protagonists any idea as to what happened in Lucretia, other than the fish in Pogo's dungeon, who really only tells you the name of the place. So, Akira learns Oersted's name, and can probably piece together some of what has happened. It would make sense for him to confront Oersted about that.

Another part is the series of non-battle pictures in the ending credits. While it would end in a sight in Lucretia, the order will always be Xin Shan Quan successor -> Pogo -> Sundown Kid -> Cube -> Masaru -> Oboromaru -> Akira. Any reason in particular why Akira is always the last? Even there are other series that put the main hero last in the "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue. And like the first one about the Odio incarnation statues, the pre-credits epilogue usually shows the one chosen as main protagonist last, however, the credits pictures that doesn't show battle scenes will always put Akira the last. So...?

Clockwerk is one of the incarnations of the Demon King Odio.
Given the fact that Clockwerk is immortal by the his hatred of the Cooper clan, he may be a part of a series of owl drones designed by an unknown time traveler to observe the Coopers of different time periods. The tenth one that is created becomes Clockwerk as his model number is OD-10.

The Mecha and Sci-fi chapter are interconnected
Not long after the fight with the Inko statue, Watanabe probably found out about his father one way or another. Add the robotic pet turtle Taro, and top that off with the awesomeness that is Buriki Daioh, he might've developed a liking for robots. Fast forward to his adulthood, he created a particular round robot. The connection doesn't just stop there. Darth mentioned something about a great war with robots that killed his teammates. Considering the final act of the Mecha chapter is a war with robots, it's not too far-fetched. Darth is probably one of the few lucky survivors to have escaped Buriki Daioh's assault.

The Odio incarnations were not possessed by Oersted in everyone else's chapters. In fact, he deliberately decides not to at the beginning of everyone else's final chapter.
As seen in Oersted's final chapter, if he had done that from the start, they would have been much more powerful. Originally, they were all completely independent threats with only a slight connection to the true Odio.

When Oersted finished destroying his country, he went to the statues and considered unleashing his power on the other timeframes... but decided to watch what actually happened in the original history first. After seeing the heroes' struggles, he decided that it wouldn't be satisfying enough to wipe them out by remote control without being able to explain his real motives, and instead drew them into his realm for a more personal confrontation. After he loses, he does try to take over the other Odio incarnations, but no longer has the ability to empower them against the heroes who have become even stronger since those fights.

There IS no previous Demon King; it was Oersted the whole time.
Hash tells Oersted that the creature they just killed couldn't have been the real Demon King, so where was he? It was Odio himself, since his reincarnations are spread throughout history and his powers can affect time, causing a kind of Stable Time Loop and ensuring his creation.

Each of the main characters are different incarnations of an opposing force to Odio.
Maybe's Oersted's love and/or humanity. It would explain why they in particular had to be the ones to fight him and/or why Odio embodies a Shadow Archetype to all of them.

There is an eighth incarnation of Odio, and it's in The Isle of Dogs's Japan.
For one Watanabe dies (since he has no father to be a meat shield). Much like the characters who all have someone to fight for, the main character has Spots to fight for, and the dog has the kid to fight for. The reason why Kobayashi's assistant wasn't fought as an incarnation of Odio was because this incarnation wasn't defeated in battle but instead imprisoned on corruption charges.

Potential eras/scenarios if the game were to ever get a sequel/spiritual successor
Feel free to add more if you think of any.
  • The dawn of life on Earth, where all organic life was microscopic. The protagonist would be a particular organism from which all modern life is descended from, trying to grow and evolve. The boss incarnation could be a deadly virus threatening to wipe out life on Earth before it can even properly begin .
    • The possible gameplay of this chapter would be that the player can mutate, healing themselves and creating temporary stat buffs to themselves or use genetic drift to heal all allies and give one temporary stat buff to each of them. They can also split themselves into two cells with the daughter cell inheriting the abilities from the main cell, but they die after the main cell is destroyed and only have half HP. The enemies of this chapter would have a microscopic theme as they would either be prokaryotes, eukaryotes, fungi, and viruses. The music for this chapter would feel like a calm, yet eerie ambience like Spore's Cell Stage soundtrack. The Watanabe scene would feature two microbes that have just mutated into a different species. One is killed by the Odio Virus while the other flees in terror. The Odio boss fight would play out like a game of chess that was an RPG (the king would be red and have the highest HP, the Queen is orange, the Rooks are yellow, the Knights are green, while the pawns would be blue and have the lowest HP) with both the virus and the player species being organized like a chessmatch. The chapter ends with the virus' defeat (with some locked into the permafrost) and the player undergoes mitosis over and over until the make the first creature on earth, a jellyfish.
  • So E.V.O.: Search for Eden. Got it!
  • Ancient Egypt.
    • We play as a Medjai in Bronze Age Egypt and have to protect the Pharaoh from an Evil cult that worships a long-forgotten Pharaoh and seeks to return him to life. As Medjai, we are basically the police force of Egypt and have to investigate crimes, judge people and fight with a Khopesh and the trusted help of our eagle. This chapter takes inspirations from various ancient egyptian movies and games, most notably The Mummy and AC Origins.
  • Pirate Times, starring a Lovable Rogue sailing the seas. The boss incarnation could be a fearsome pirate captain or a titanic, malicious sea monster.
  • The Great Depression, starring a hobo riding the rails.
  • The Turn of the Millennium starring the average everyman ala Masaru.
  • Ancient Grome, in which the player plays either an escaped slave rising the ranks or a philosopher. Odio's incarnation would be either a malevolent pharaoh or a monster from Greek mythology
    • Or we could play as a Gladiator in Ancient Rome and we have to fight in the arena against other Gladiators, Lions and monsters. The villian could be the Emperor, who goes by the name Odius, who wants to use these games to distract people from the fact, that he exploits them and makes them forget the economical troubles of Rome. You beat him and return home to...say Dacia or somewhere in Northern Europe.
  • World War II, starring a The Dirty Dozen like party with the main character (and sole survivor in the end) character being a victim of a Miscarriage of Justice against a Ghostapo organization using the The Holocaust to summon an Odio incarnation to get revenge for the Versailles Treaty.
  • Mayan Civilization, starring a friendly green alien who is the Last of His Kind and has come to Earth to warn humanity of an evil alien Hive Mind that destroyed his planet and is about to invade Earth. He then asks the Mayans to help him construct a powerful weapon that can be used to stop the hive mind. Odio's Incarnation would be the Hive Queen who rules the hive mind.
  • Zombie Apocalypse- Starring a Combat Medic doctor who is working on a cure for the zombie epidemic that is dubbed Odionic Plague. Symptoms of this disease includes fever, Increased aggression, agitation, hunger pains, cannibalism, death, and reanimation. He spends the chapter fighting zombies and trying to find a cure to save mankind. Odio's incarnation would be the disease, along with the Patient Zero of this outbreak.
  • Speculative Future. As an Affectionate Parody of After Man, The New Dinosaurs: An Alternative Evolution, and The Future Is Wild, this chapter takes place 20 Million years after humanity went extinct due to giant flightless descendants of modern day vampire bats (ala the Future Predators from Primeval) called Demon Bats (Desmodus Odioa) who challenged (and ultimately eradicated) humanity. The protagonist would be from a species that is the descendants of Domestic Dogs called the Dogodon, whom appeared to have a body type similar to theropod dinosaurs that would be able to take the shoes of humanity soon. They would hunt alongside their pack and explore the world. Odio's incarnation would be the aforementioned Demon Bats (more specifically the Alpha of the species), which is now trying to eradicate the Dogodon before they can evolve human level intelligence. The Watanabe scene would feature a critically endangered species of Marsupials called the Wallanabe who are the descendants of Wallabies that have evolved to a diet of Carnivory and are capable of becoming human-like soon as well. This scene would be when we're introduced to the Demon Bats midway into the chapter. The alpha male Wallanabe (Representative of Watanabe's dad) attacks the Alpha Demon Bat in a Hopeless Cutscene Boss Battle where both battlers are AI-Controlled. The fights ends with the Alpha Wallanabe getting killed, the rest of the pack bursting into tears and trying to flee, but are all killed and eaten offscreen by the Demon Bats with a text saying that the Wallanabe are now extinct since those were the last ones left. The chapter ends with our protagonist killing all the Demon Bats (or at least the ones in the place they're in), going into a cave and seeing a monolith similar to the one seen in the Prehistoric Chapter where they get teleported to Odio's lair.
  • The Viking Age, where a young man a part of a raiding clan of Vikings is exposed to the savagery of the age and turns his back on his people's ways. He grows to be a farmer, and then a knight upon the resurgence of war. Odio's incarnation would be his former chieftain, who is fueled by jealousy and anger over his peoples being forcibly rejected by a former tyrannical king of the lands he is trying to invade.
  • New York City, starring a police officer detective on his first case. What happens to be a homicide eventually turns out to be a chilling start to a grisly series of mass murders, and our detective must fight his way through a web of intrigue to uncover the culprit. Odio's incarnation here would be a former military vet turned serial killer who has started a cult of murder worship to "start the rebirth of the world".
  • Easter Island, or Rapa Nui, being pretty much a loose copy of the movie of the latter title.
  • The Renaissance with Clock Punk. Leonardo da Vinci might become a party member like Ryoma Sakamoto.

Robot Santa from Futurama the 8th incarnation of Odio.
Bad news, everyone! The Robot Santa we've been trying to survive against is another incarnation of an ancient demon king called Odio.

For starters, Robot Santa is shown to have all of mankind on his naughty list and the consequence for this is death. He comes to Earth and kills the people he measures naughty and is never shown seeing a human as Nice. The reason why the Planet Express Crew wasn't teleported to Odio's time period is because throughout the show's run, The Planet Express Crew were unsuccessful in killing or redeeming Robot Santa, all the while, the latter continued to terrorize Earth every X-Mas and has done so for over 200 years with no one able to stop him.

The Demon King is related in some way to Galdera.
Like Mattias, Oersted weakened the bonds to Galdera by becoming Odio and gained immortality and insane dark magic ability as a result, which he used to power his various incarnations. Additionally, both were only defeated after a boss rush and final siege by seven-eight people, respectively.

Odie Oldbright's backstory
Unlike the rest of the secondary villains, who are either allusions to figures in history, pop culture, and even character archetypes found in storytelling, Odie Oldbright irks me the most for his existence and possible hidden backstory. Everyone else in The Modern Day Chapter has at least some backstory to their coming into power, while Masaru can technically be the everyman RPG main character without a voice. His character design is what especially piques my interest, because that's probably the only clues we will get without his backstory, if ever. With thanks to the Other Wiki:

My hypothesis is that Odie Oldbright is either an Australian or Californian US resident who is a Neonazi skinhead that became involved with an extremist fringe Nazi Buddhist cult/gang, and aims to be the strongest to establish sociopolitical power and presence in the world through fighting to lead this cult to international presence.

First, his appearance. Odie is dressed up like a punk, someone dangerous, like a renegade, but also wears East Asian monk like clothes. He even has a japa mala (prayer beads). He's got biker wear for his extremities, like gloves and metal foot protectors, and his shoulders have antiquated looking guards to protect his arms. Most notably, his back has a tattoo of an ashura, which are demigod like entities in Buddhism who are powerful but are also pitied as beings who are regulated to a lifetime of neverending violence and conflict. He's even bald, suggesting he's a skinhead after being a monk. Going over Buddhism abit, what's another thing about its symbolism that is used to represent the religion, outside of the eightfold wheel? The swastika.

Regarding history of the times, the early 1990s in Japan also had its dark underbelly. Outside of images from the world stage that Japan was a place of wealth, industry, and efficiency the world could not out do, so were those within Japan herself who did not match this pristine face of rather materialistic and exuberantly decadent display. There were plenty who did not like or meshed well with the cold and fast efficiency of urban industry life, looking for more deeper and spiritual calling outside of the material world. While there were plenty of those who found religious inspiration and spiritual solace on their own, some desired to find this in a community. Sadly, some of these were cults, and Japan admittedly had their own. Perhaps one of Japan's more infamous would be known as Aum Shinrikyo, which combined Fundamentalist Christian thought with twisted Shingon Buddhist interpretation, expected World War III by America and had done other criminal acts, like illegally creating military grade chemical weapons, extorting money, and brainwashing and tortuously hazing lesser members. Out in America, perhaps a similar group that was big around the late 20th Century are the Hare Krishnas, which were outed for acts of child abuse in their boarding schools in the US during the 1970s and 1980s. Though a different religion, they share the same roots from India, and are similar in their goals to promote spiritual and religious awakening.

Finally, we get to the historic affairs of Nazism regarding Buddhism. Long ago during the Nazi Regime, one of the Thule Society's goals was to verify the existence of Aryan superhumans that existed somewhere within Central Europe, and earn their allegiance to bolster Nazi power. One of these places were alleged to be the mythical Shangri La or Shambala up in the Himalayan Mountains. Into more down to earth historic affairs, D.T. Suzuki was known to be a Zen Buddhist who share sentiments with the Nazis on nationalism during the 1930s when Imperial Japan allied with them, and had even taught Karlfried Graf Dürckheim.

So if anything, my reasoning would have to be that Odie grew to be not only a brutalizing martial artist, but a twisted man of perverse faith who believes that fighting and living life as warfare is salvation, and is a neonazi skinhead who seeks to establish power and unity out of hate.

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Leveling up a thing only available due to time/place/etc
In the Sci-Fi, western and modern eras leveling up isn't possible while everywhere it is, it makes me think that something about things progressing past the warring states era disabled the ability until a scrappy young pyschic and his mentor somehow regain it in their time. And everyone being pulled into the Medieval time period unlocked the ability for Cube, Sunset and Masaru, this has rather remarkable effects for them.
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