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GavsEvans123
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08:25:18 AM Apr 12th 2014
edited by 147.143.212.79
I've got two ideas for the Disgraces. I'll put them here first before they go on the page, just in case. Someone else feel free to offer suggestions for improvement and add pictures (I don't know how to add pictures.)

1. Virgil working here as the Guide of the Damned. He is not one of the Disgraces himself and is free to leave at any time, he just works here as a guide whenever someone need to visit the Disgraces for whatever reason. Working in Marysuetopia can't be any worse than Hell, right?

2. The Crazy Frog, representing Most Annoying Sound. I've got a little backstory where he's bouncing around a few of the other houses before being banished here for causing trouble.

Virgil, Guide to the Damned (Poet, Publius Vergilius Maro)
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: The Aeneid
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Helpful ghosts, knowing everything about the setting, not being useful in a fight
  • Domains: Knowledge, Hell, Good, Paganism, Guiding
  • Allies: Those Gods who have reason to visit Mary Suetopia, Dante, Luke Skywalker, Judge Gabranth
  • Enemies: Kratos
  • Virgil is unique in that he is not an official member of the Disgraces. He only works here as a guide for the Gods when they have reason to visit Mary Suetopia.
  • When he is not on duty, Virgil spends his time in the Houses of Knowledge and Life and Death.
  • Virgil was appointed the job of Guide to the Damned automatically since he was the only person to apply for the post. His reasoning was that Mary Suetopia was infinitely less messed up than the Inferno, so he should be able to handle it.
  • Virgil once visited the House of Combat, having heard that Dante was there. Virgil was surprised to find that the Dante in question was not the one he knew, and even more so when Dante mistook him for his brother Vergil and attacked. Once the mixup was sorted out, Dante apologised and the two became friends.
  • Luke Skywalker believes Virgil to be a Force Ghost and has asked Virgil to teach him. Virgil explained that this was not the case, but told Luke of his adventures anyway.
  • Kratos was not pleased to learn that Dante's journey through Hell sounded an awful lot like the kind of thing Kratos would do, and also dismissed Virgil, saying that he could not help in a fight and was therefore useless.
  • Chances of Redemption: Virgil does not need to be redeemed since he only works here. He is like Judge Gabranth in that respect.

Crazy Frog, God of Noises That Make Being Deaf Sound Appealing (The Annoying Thing)
ChrisX
08:48:36 AM Apr 12th 2014
Virgil sounds like an unique thing. One should separate him in a special section than the Disgraces though. Maybe always put him on top of the list?
Camilla
03:25:25 PM Apr 12th 2014
I second the Virgil thing. With the history of the Disgraces showing Mara Jade—the only sue able to freely go to the Pantheon without guards—gone and their most prolific member in Lt. Sue also in Narrative, it would make sense that someone has to keep an eye on this sorry sack.
GavsEvans123
04:15:39 AM Apr 14th 2014
I'm glad Virgil has gone down well thus far. Maybe putting him on top would be a good idea, though I'm probably wouldn't go down well with Bella and Edward.
Camilla
01:05:06 PM Apr 15th 2014
Well they can't do anything about it though. They're still disgraces—they can't get out of their gated community without a guide. They'll just have to suck it up.
Dragon-Kid
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03:41:51 PM Feb 22nd 2014
I got an idea about Gary Smith's place in the Disgraces.

How about him replacing Jack Tripper as the Perpetual Holder of the Idiot Ball? While soon no longer the God of Villain Stus when Madara gets kicked to the Disgraces. He's still the cause of everything bad that happened in the videogame due to him holding the ball even worse than Jack Tripper.
Tehrannotaur
07:36:15 PM Feb 22nd 2014
Agreed.
Camilla
08:41:54 PM Feb 22nd 2014
So this means that the Knights of Suetopia are gonna have to be edited soon, right?
Tehrannotaur
12:09:34 PM Feb 23rd 2014
Gary will still have his position as Royal Advisor after Madara's ascension. It's just that his title will change. So no, the Knights of Suetopia won't have to be edited.
Megafighter3
07:05:14 PM Feb 24th 2014
I'd rather we just cut Gary Smith since we now have two Royal Advisors, him and Quil.
Dragon-Kid
07:17:50 PM Feb 28th 2014
Gary's new position in this ignoble house is: Student.
Tehrannotaur
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07:50:29 PM Feb 5th 2014
I'd like to nominate a new candidate for the title of Villain Sue: Madara Uchiha. Evidence in favor of argument:

  • He manages to curb-stomp an entire military whilst he was reanimated.
  • He manages to break free from Edo Tensei control whilst he was reanimated.
  • Just as Obito was going to revive everyone that he killed via Samsara of Heavenly Life technique, Madara hijacks the Zetsu half of him and uses it to revive himself instead. Since Madara personally thanked Naruto for stripping Obito of the tailed beasts, thus weakening Obito enough to regain control over him and bring about his own revival, it could count as a huge cast of relying on the Idiot Ball.
  • Madara can not only fight properly without his eyes, but also regenerate and absorb chakra/ninjutsu. And he gets Sage Mode on his pecs.
  • After absorbing Hashirama's Sage mode, he's able to absorb ALL NINE OF THE TAILED BEASTS SIMULTANEOUSLY in a mere matter of seconds. To make it even worse, he says that it was slower than expected
  • Madara effortlessly kills Sasuke and several others, and sends Naruto borderline dead.
  • The author, Kishimoto actually said he doesn't know how to have Madara be defeated at this point and acknowledged he made him too overpowered. This problem also goes back to Kishimoto's desire to prove that killing Madara won't solve anything: Kishi's whole theme caused this to happen. In other words, Madara managed to fulfill an Author Tract.
  • Several Wall Bangers point specifically to him (see the specific page for more).
TheOtakuNinja
06:52:34 AM Feb 6th 2014
...Seconded!
Camilla
03:32:21 PM Feb 6th 2014
Oh yeah, he needs to go. And with Tobi in the Fallen, his chances of getting out are slim to none.
ChrisX
03:29:54 AM Feb 7th 2014
I have got to admit. Even with my unbridling hatred to Terumi and how I think he shoulda taken that place... Tehranotaur seriously makes a lot of good points, and I wasn't even following Naruto.

Let the checking begin then.
Dragon-Kid
09:02:36 PM Feb 7th 2014
Ok, but before to write the portfolio, what's the final fate of Gary Smith, the soon-to-be-former holder of the title?
Camilla
02:21:05 PM Feb 8th 2014
High Priest. His crimes are small potatoes considering what Madara has done.
Tehrannotaur
10:40:08 PM Feb 8th 2014
edited by 75.23.234.106
Alright: Now we need an entry for Madara Uchiha. I'll put in my entry.

Madara Uchiha, God of Absurdly Omnipotent Villains and Author Tract
  • Lesser God (former Overdeity, forcibly sealed by The Protectors Of The Plot Continuum after outrage from the Gods in the Main House)
  • Symbol: A moon with a 9-tomoe Sharingan reflected on it.
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Villain Sues, Reliance On The Idiot Ball To Succeed At Anything, Assholes, Overpowered Sues, Author Tract, Creator's Pet, Being unable to be killed by Word of God, Wall Bangers, Beyond the Impossible, Diabolus ex Machina, Plot Holes, Series Continuity Errors.
  • Domains: Evil, Trickery.
  • Followers: Hao, Costa, Mirror Sue.
  • High Priest: Gary Smith.
  • Allies: The Usurper.
  • Former Ally: Obito Uchiha.
  • Enemies: All deities from the Naruto series.
  • Position: Spy.
  • Was formerly an apparent friend of Obito Uchiha when the latter used to be in the Pantheon. After Obito got demoted to The Fallen, Madara absorbed the Ten-Tails and became its new jinhuuriki and attempted to get his other Rinnegan to enact the Eye of the Moon plan and take control of the whole Pantheon. However, his plans were foiled by a collective team of Hakumen, Excalibur and Yuji Sakai. Hakumen distracted Madara by summoning Excalibur and weakened him with his Ookami sword, and Yuji aided Hakumen with his Grammatica Protection spell and used the Grammatica Restraining spell to remove the Ten-Tails from him and neutralize him after it got removed, buying Sakura Haruno time to revive Naruto by implanting Kurama's yang half. It was the wrath of a combination the aforementioned three and a revived Naruto and Kurama's Yang half who curbstomped him, cementing Naruto's status as the God of Outraged Optimism.
  • After this event, The Protectors of the Plot Continuum caught and brought him before the Court of the Gods. They presented to the Court evidence to prove Madara's condemnation to the Disgraces, which includes a combination of Wall Bangers, an excessive amount of Mary Sue traits, and fulfilling an Author Tract. After the trial at the court, Madara got dragged to the Disgraces in an extremely humiliating manner, with Quan Chi and Shang Tsung doing most of the Humiliation Conga on him and the latter absorbing most of his non-jinchuuriki powers during the banishment to prevent him from escaping from the Disgraces.
  • Chance of Redemption: Nil. Banished to this realm by way of Humiliation Conga.
Camilla
03:22:46 PM Feb 10th 2014
This works. Let's get going.
KantonKage
06:17:21 AM Feb 15th 2014
Tehrannotaur
09:34:52 AM Feb 16th 2014
I added them in now.
Camilla
06:13:34 PM Feb 19th 2014
It's time for him to be added.
Tehrannotaur
09:52:14 PM Feb 19th 2014
Well, in Chapter 665, Obito, who currenly is in The Fallen, is starting to stand up against Madara. If Obito succeeds in thwarting Madara, then maybe the former could get a chance to go to Purgatory. We'll have to wait for chapter 666 to see what happens next.
Camilla
10:02:52 AM Feb 26th 2014
So 666 is out...what do we do now?
Dragon-Kid
02:57:24 PM Feb 26th 2014
Add more details for Tobi's twarting to him (also serves as Obito's pass for the Purgatory), and bingo! Madara is kicked to the Disgraces.
Camilla
03:21:51 PM Feb 27th 2014
Okay so who's gonna send this guy to the Disgraces?
Tehrannotaur
09:29:56 PM Mar 1st 2014
Once chapter 667 comes out and if it shows Obito finally thwarting Madara, then I'll add him to the disgraces
Camilla
02:08:20 PM Mar 6th 2014
667 came out and nope. It showed Kabuto and Might Guy, no Obito.
Tehrannotaur
07:35:21 PM Mar 7th 2014
@Camilla: You mean chapter 668.
magnum12
11:44:01 PM Mar 18th 2014
edited by 76.227.148.238
Let's do this. He's had this coming for a LONG time. Can't use Author Tract since that' taken by Xanthe Justice. Unless she gets Filibuster Freefall
Camilla
08:41:17 PM Mar 20th 2014
Villain Sue it is.
Dragon-Kid
07:23:46 AM Mar 31st 2014
He's in!
Tehrannotaur
12:48:08 PM Apr 5th 2014
I think Author Tract would fit Madara better and Filibuster Freefal for Xanthe.
desdendelle
01:02:38 PM Apr 5th 2014
Wait, wait, wait. PPC doesn't kill with canon Sues. Not their MC. And they don't 'seal' people, either.
Juny23
08:38:59 AM Apr 9th 2014
Shouldn't Might Guy be mentioned as one of the guys who helped put Madara down? I mean he did dish out severe damage with his Evening Elephant and Night Moth and helped buy time to revive Naruto.
sanfranman91
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01:59:25 AM Feb 3rd 2014
Anyone up for adding Kio Asuno into the Knights of Suetopia? He's a pacifist protagonist gone horribly wrong and is virtually unanimously considered by the otherwise broken Gundam fanbase to be the worst Gundam protagonist in the franchise's history. Moreover, the show tries to portray his idiotic, flat-out hypocritical logic and actions as right and everyone else's as wrong.
AnonFangeekGirl
05:59:05 PM Feb 23rd 2014
What would he be god of?
Dragon-Kid
08:15:37 PM Feb 23rd 2014
God who's Too Dumb to Live.
sanfranman91
11:46:53 AM Mar 12th 2014
Sounds good to me, although maybe him being the god of Wide-Eyed Idiocy might sound like a better name. Let's get an entry for him cooking.
AnonFangeekGirl
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08:35:50 PM Jan 26th 2014
Any ideas for God of EntitledBastards?

My current idea is Sekai from Perfection Is Overrated, but maybe there's a better example. I don't really know, which is why I'm asking.
Dragon-Kid
05:26:34 PM Mar 20th 2014
Since I don't know other candidates, this Sekai should be in.
AnonFangeekGirl
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02:17:30 PM Jan 26th 2014
Just wondering, should we remove Kaldor Draigo from the knights? I know that he's combat-oriented and extremely overpowered, traits looked for in knights, and that that is the entire reason for his being in the disgraces, but he is loyal to the God-Emperor of Mankind, and given that he's stuck in the warp, unable to do really anything for the Disgraces, he's pretty much just taking up a slot.
magnum12
11:48:04 PM Mar 18th 2014
edited by 76.227.148.238
Draigo is here as a symbolic representation of everything wrong with books written by Matt Ward. Terrible fluff, extreme bias in rules towards armies he likes (he designed the 6th edition rules to buff his armies and nerf the ones that were strong against them) and tendencies to screw over armies he doesn't like (Sisters). Ward's the THAT GUY of game design.
Misterian
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02:56:40 PM Jan 23rd 2014
edited by 67.185.83.28
Should we add Sarah from Ed, Edd, and Eddy as High Priestess to Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon? or do you think she'd be more fitting as Disgraced Goddess of Tiny Tyrannical Girl?
AnonFangeekGirl
04:52:45 PM Jan 26th 2014
Hm. What are her qualifications?
AnonFangeekGirl
04:52:49 PM Jan 26th 2014
edited by 24.56.227.135
Is there a normal goddess of Tiny Tyrannical Girl?
Camilla
07:37:59 PM Jan 26th 2014
Nope. There's annoying younger siblings, bratty kids, creepy twins...nothing for tiny tyrannical girl. And if Sarah is here, Ed should sympathize with her (she is his sister). She also did a Heel-Face Turn in the big picture show after learning of Eddy's abuse—aside from that, she usually gets away with what she does with no reprecussions.
Misterian
02:21:33 AM Jan 30th 2014
Yeah, On one hand, she's had a long history of being an abusive and entitled brat. But on the other hand one could argue that with her aforementioned Heel-Face Turn, she DID realize how much of a jerk she was and may have promptly softened up because of it, and while she does usually get away with most of her abusive moments, she did occasionally get smacked with the karma stick.

So, do you think she actually belongs in the Fallen? or should I just get started in making her Portfolio in the Disgraces?
Dragon-Kid
08:02:07 AM Jan 30th 2014
Send her to The Fallen.
Camilla
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11:25:22 AM Jan 21st 2014
We've got a God of Millstones, what about Loads? I can suggest Ben from The Walking Dead since his actions of taking supplies to give to bandits pretty much snowballed to almost everyone dying and then he has to die in a Mercy Kill. To make it worse, he's supposed to be the Shaggy in the Walking Dead except while Shaggy is shown to be courageous and willing to help his friends despite the problems at hand, Ben just makes everything worse.

Does anyone agree with my statement?
Dragon-Kid
05:45:49 PM Jan 21st 2014
Yeah.
Camilla
12:04:34 PM Jan 22nd 2014
Let's see what everyone else thinks first.
AnonFangeekGirl
02:11:05 PM Jan 26th 2014
If he actively contributes to a bad ending, wouldn't that mean that he's The Millstone, rather than The Load?
Camilla
07:36:36 PM Jan 26th 2014
Telltale stated that he was written and characterized as The Load, not to mention that he does get a few scenes where he becomes awesome (telling off some Kenny for his bullshit in episode 4 of the group and doing a heroic last stand in episode 5, I believe). In Ben's defense, he's a nervous panicky kid in an apocalypse and has no idea what's going on whereas Lance Vance is just plain stupid and to be fair, when you have bandits chasing your tail in a zombie apocalypse, what's the first thing you do?

As stated on the page for The Load, they are not ALWAYS the cause of the hero's short-comings (and curiously enough, a quote in regards to Ben is on the page) they are just there, no questions about it. Thus, if I have proved my point, I can make a portfolio for our "Liability" and send him to the Disgraces to wallow/send him to the Fallen out of sympathy.

AnonFangeekGirl
08:12:40 PM Jan 26th 2014
I'm not sure that The Load trope is bad enough to qualify for the Disgraces. The Millstone certainly is, but The Load is more like 1/2 of The Millstone. The moments of awesome you mentioned could factor into his redemption chances, no matter what faction is chosen.

Camilla
09:27:33 PM Jan 26th 2014
Then he's mostly going to the Fallen.
Dragon-Kid
01:26:08 PM Jan 27th 2014
I concur with Camilla, Ben should go to The Fallen instead.
Camilla
09:09:20 PM Jan 27th 2014
All right. Portfolio's up in the Fallen. If anyone can help with it, that will be helpful.
TheOtakuNinja
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12:14:16 PM Jan 17th 2014
Would the main characters of Charmed be up for a role here? I'm just curious...
AnonFangeekGirl
02:44:02 PM Jan 17th 2014
Why?
Peteman
03:01:00 PM Jan 17th 2014
edited by 70.24.219.104
If you've seen Obscurus Lupa's Charmed reviews, you'd have an idea. Probably would do a better job than me in explaining.
TheOtakuNinja
07:28:27 PM Jan 17th 2014
edited by 108.16.33.171
Pretty much, yeah. If they were put up here, what would they be catagorized under? Bad feminism attempts? Unlikable protagonists?
AnonFangeekGirl
04:55:57 PM Jan 26th 2014
What are the tropes for that?
TheOtakuNinja
08:09:05 AM Feb 5th 2014
edited by 108.16.33.171
Okay, I think I've scrounged up a few tropes that might work:

Jerk Sues, Took a Level in Jerkass, Idiot Plots, Designated Heroes, Entitled Bastards, Straw Feminists, Not Understanding How Biology Works, Hypocrisy

Also Inconsistencies out the wazoo.

As for Alignment, I guess they think they're somewhere in the good-based alignment, when it's likely they're more Chaotic Evil.

Can anyone who's more familiar with the show help me out here?
AnonFangeekGirl
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12:45:47 PM Jan 15th 2014
Any good ideas for God of Hypocrisy?
AnonFangeekGirl
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05:25:56 PM Jan 12th 2014
Would Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy be a Disgraced trope, and if so, who would be a good candidate?
Dragon-Kid
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06:38:49 PM Jan 10th 2014
I got a candidate for Unnecessary Younger Additions: Oliver Tyler, the Trope Namer for Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch.
Camilla
12:10:24 PM Jan 11th 2014
Okay, we need some evidence like ratings and criticisms regarding the character.
Dragon-Kid
10:55:51 AM Jan 13th 2014
First of all: He single handlely cancelled the show within 5 episodes.
Camilla
11:34:58 AM Jan 13th 2014
How many seasons was Brady Bunch in at that time?
Dragon-Kid
03:02:31 PM Jan 13th 2014
Five seasons, he appeared in the fifth season episode "Welcome Aboard" in an attempt to gain audience, but 5 episodes later, the show is over due to the very bad reception of the character.
Camilla
12:00:23 AM Jan 14th 2014
All right, let's get a portfolio up and running.
Camilla
11:23:32 AM Jan 21st 2014
Um, Dragon-Kid? The portfolio?
Dragon-Kid
05:44:45 PM Jan 21st 2014
edited by 201.102.178.160
Oliver Tyler, Poster Boy for Unnecesary Younger Additions (Cousin Oliver)
  • Quasideity
  • Symbol: TBC
  • Alignment: True Neutral
  • Portfolio: Unnecesary Younger Additions (Namer of the Trope), Unlikable Characters, Failing to Cater the Younger Audience.
  • Domain: Family.
  • Allies: Scrappy-Doo, Johnny Test, Renesmee Cullen.
  • At odds with: Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.
  • Opposed by: Bart Simpson, Calvin, and the entire Brady Bunch fanbase.
  • Position: Student.
  • The Court of the Gods revised that a certain Oliver commited a severe crime of all time: Cancelling The Brady Bunch within five episodes. In fact, Phoenix Wright appointed him as the culpruit, and as a result, he got kicked to the Disgraces.
  • In his first day in the Disgraces, he joins to the Disgraced Academy, run by Makoto Itou and Sekai Saionji. He associates easily with Johnny Test, but doesn't like the company of both Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.
  • Chance of Redemption: Zero.
Camilla
12:06:47 PM Jan 22nd 2014
This is a good start. We could also add more stuff in regards to how he relates to other child gods here (Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon and Renesmee). You can also add how the other child gods in the Pantheon like Calvin, Bart and especially DW hate his guts (with the idea that despite DW being annoying she knows her boundaries and knows what not to do in the Pantheon). Other than that, put a bit more effort into the portfolio and it's ready to go.
AnonFangeekGirl
05:05:20 PM Jan 26th 2014
He's in.
henrytan
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10:15:23 AM Jan 6th 2014
Has Johnny Test been considered for the Disgraces?
Dragon-Kid
10:56:10 AM Jan 7th 2014
Evidence to condemn him: Marty Stu, Designated Hero, Creator's Pet... yeah, his title is Designated Protagonist Syndrome.
Camilla
05:15:50 PM Jan 7th 2014
I agree, he should be put into the Disgraces. Also, funnily enough, the person who made Johnny Test also made Ned's Declassified, so there should be something about Ned Bigby staying away from him even though he and Johnny have connections.
henrytan
02:11:47 PM Jan 9th 2014
edited by 75.74.0.213
All right. Should we also mention that Johnny was voiced by James Arnold Taylor, who also voiced Tidus in Final Fantasy X? That should throw Yuna in the Magic Pantheon off.
Camilla
02:18:33 PM Jan 9th 2014
Oh, that would definitely work! I can assume she was trying to whistle to get Tidus and well...next thing Johnny knows, Yuna's a Gunslinger and has Catnip on her.
henrytan
03:40:09 PM Jan 9th 2014
edited by 75.74.0.213
Johnny Test, God of Designated Protagonist Syndrome (Johnny X)

Feel free to add anything else to this
Dragon-Kid
02:08:09 PM Jan 10th 2014
Oh, also add the note that the Big Time Rush boys also stays far away from him.
henrytan
06:41:48 PM Jan 10th 2014
Okay! Anything else?
Camilla
10:11:41 PM Jan 10th 2014
We can add things up as we go along. For right now, this is ready for the disgraces.
SuperScrub
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01:24:20 AM Jan 2nd 2014
I'd like to nominate a new candidate for Spoiled Brats and replace Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon: Princess Morbucks from Powerpuff Girls. She's as awful as Diamond Tiara and unlike her, we've seen that her father actually encourages her bad habits rather than try to stop them. And if that doesn't convince you Princess Morbucks was so bratty, so awful, and so mean spirited she was added to Santa's permanent naughty list. But Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon can be her High Priests if that counts for anything.
Camilla
08:29:32 PM Jan 5th 2014
She was actually pretty endearing and popular for a character, but Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon aren't. Pretty much the thing that made her go down here was "Flight to the Finish", where they mocked Scootaloo for her inability to fly and it's said that she's pretty much handicapped...they picked on a defenseless crippled kid, barely get punished for their bullying, hated by the majority of the fanbase (Silver Spoon actually has a better chance of redemption but she's a Satellite Character)

And if you have not seen "One Bad Seed", damn that was a brutal bullying episode.
Dragon-Kid
10:51:54 AM Jan 7th 2014
Plus, Princess Morbucks is more of a Love to Hate character, and she will join to the Pantheon as the official Goddess of Spoiled Brats in the House of Commerce.
Camilla
05:19:30 PM Jan 7th 2014
I agree. Morbucks definitely would be goddess of Spoiled Brats because she actually USES the money given to her to fight back. In fact, she actually convinces Mojo Jojo and Him (the former the Powerpuff Girls' arch nemesis, the latter being Satan) that she has a power greater than theirs: cold, hard cash. They agreed with her.

In comparison, Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon just whine and complain—they have money, but they don't actively use it. They gloat to the CMC and antagonize them but for what? Just to make themselves feel better. In Flight to the Finish, the term "Blank Flank" barely phases them—it's only when DT pretty much puts down Scootaloo that got her so HATED, not to mention that One Bad Seed incident with Babs (and what didn't help that case was Applejack going, "Hey, I think it'd be nice not to warn my little sister of her cousin's bullying problems!" What an idiot...)

In conclusion, Morbucks would despise Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon because at least she DOES something with her money and can actually fight. Tiara and Spoon? They have nothing going for them.
AnonFangeekGirl
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09:03:01 PM Dec 22nd 2013
edited by 206.63.252.18
About Tony Farms, I thought that Designated Hero referred to Heroes that didn't do much ethically to retain their moral status as Heroes, and that Pinball Protagonist referred to heroes that didn't do enough plotwise to really be called the plot's protagonist. The reason Tony is in the disgraces is because he did nothing plotwise, with his sidekick doing it for him. He doesn't seem to have been a jerk presented as a good guy, more of a useless guy presented as someone who gets plot done. So, wouldn't he be better as God of PinballProtagonists?
Megafighter3
06:27:51 PM Dec 25th 2013
It's not just being unimportant plotwise, A Pinball Protagonist can still be a good character. Tony's not a "supposed" hero, but also a complete whiner and can't do anything without help from Vadinho. That's why he's God of Designated Heroes rather than Pinball Protagonists.
AnonFangeekGirl
07:00:25 PM Dec 25th 2013
Example of a good Pinball Protagonist?
Camilla
01:54:56 PM Jan 8th 2014
Brad and Janet from Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Dragon-Kid
02:08:33 PM Jan 10th 2014
Good idea, Camilla.
AnonFangeekGirl
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04:24:00 PM Dec 20th 2013
Is it OK to remove Peter from the Knights? They're supposed to be mostly combat-oriented, and he's a civilian.
Camilla
10:42:18 PM Dec 20th 2013
That's actually a good point. What do you think his position in the Disgraces is then?
AnonFangeekGirl
09:18:58 AM Dec 21st 2013
Civilian, unless someone knows what he does for a living in the show (not a one-episode job. It has to be something that he consistently does).
Peteman
09:28:45 AM Dec 21st 2013
edited by 70.24.219.104
Peter is a pretty good fighter. Look at the Giant Chicken battles.
AnonFangeekGirl
10:14:39 AM Dec 21st 2013
Giant chicken battles?
Peteman
11:09:02 AM Dec 21st 2013
AnonFangeekGirl
07:01:32 PM Dec 21st 2013
edited by 206.63.252.18
I'll add in the job 'royal thug' to compensate for that.
Peteman
07:03:54 PM Dec 21st 2013
I wouldn't have minded if he kept his old position.
Megafighter3
08:46:40 PM Dec 21st 2013
Well, the idea I rolled with when giving him a job was that he would jump to whatever job he had at each season based on how many people I believe either went to Purgatory or Unsorted. Knight was his title based on his one-episode run at a medieval fair, so his next job will either be Gondola rower or fisherman based on his run as fisherman and then finally he'll become the Royal Brewer.
AnonFangeekGirl
06:37:44 PM Dec 22nd 2013
Interesting idea.
AnonFangeekGirl
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03:46:55 PM Dec 20th 2013
Any nominations for Patron Saint of the Eight Deadly Words?
Camilla
10:46:27 PM Dec 20th 2013
The characters from Left Behind?
AnonFangeekGirl
09:17:58 AM Dec 21st 2013
Which characters do you think would be best suited for this?
AnonFangeekGirl
07:03:07 PM Dec 21st 2013
Until further notice, Rayford Steele is the Patron Saint of the Eight Deadly Words.
Camilla
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10:16:20 PM Dec 14th 2013
Been mulling over this for a while, but would it be possible to add Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon into the Disgraces?
Peteman
10:18:22 PM Dec 14th 2013
DT is already high priestess of the God of Hate Sinks.
AnonFangeekGirl
03:42:30 PM Dec 20th 2013
She is? I thought Blueblood and Jeff Fecalman were the high priests.
Camilla
10:43:29 PM Dec 20th 2013
Well on Diamond Tiara's character sheet, it says Hate Sink and she's pretty much been doing her job since the majority hate her guts. Silver Spoon is pretty likable by most fans because it's shown that she isn't a big of a bully as tiara and is more than anything just following her. This, unfortunately, makes her more of a Satellite Character though.
yamiblade
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08:23:11 PM Dec 8th 2013
So....would Shoko Sashinami from Valvrave go here or the Fallen?
ChrisX
10:36:48 PM Dec 9th 2013
edited by 111.94.125.228
You shouldn't be too hasty, it's just one episode, she can still make things right, unlike Ougi who screwed it up with a 'happy end'.

Heck if anything, if she ALSO screwed it up, just put her as Ougi's follower, and that's it.
AnonFangeekGirl
topic
11:56:45 AM Nov 26th 2013
Does anyone think we should represent the Stupid Alignments here?
Camilla
12:06:42 PM Nov 27th 2013
It depends. I mean Cirno and Homestar are ditzes but they're not that hated by the fanbase, and we have the Dumb Is Good and Good Is Dumb tropes and depending on how they're written, they won't be sent to the disgraces.

You'll need to give examples before we can talk about that.
AnonFangeekGirl
08:00:42 PM Nov 27th 2013
Clarification: We should represent the Stupid Alignments by characters hated by the fanbase for being stupid.

Thanks for pointing out the plothole.
Camilla
10:20:20 AM Nov 29th 2013
Okay, THAT works. What do you have in mind?
Camilla
01:29:37 PM Nov 30th 2013
If nothing else, one stupid god I hate more than anything is Trommel from Final Fantasy X seeing as he's the reason the main characters nearly got blamed for trouble due to destroying the only thing that said, "Hey, Seymour Guado is a jerk!" He never gets retribution until X-2 where the Guado race got genocidal decimated due to his mistakes and he had to be forgiven by Yuna in order to pass on.
AnonFangeekGirl
05:37:05 PM Dec 8th 2013
What's Trommel's variation of stupidity? We have a god of chaotic stupidity, but the other alignments are open.
Peteman
05:43:36 PM Dec 8th 2013
edited by 70.24.219.104
Miko represents Lawful Stupid in Justice.

And honestly, I think Djibril represented Chaotic Stupid when it was originally merged with Stupid Evil. Personally I think that he's better represented as Stupid Evil, since IIRC, he did tactically stupid things like betray allies for no reason except to fuck over people he didn't like, and now mostly retains his position due to his rivalry with Miko Miyazaki, even though Lawful Stupid better opposes Stupid Evil due to Stupid Evil's tendency to break the laws just to prove how evil it is, while Chaotic Stupid is so scatterbrained it wouldn't know a law if it hit it in the face, thus would be less likely to break the law if only because it's spending at least some of its time running around in a field screaming incoherently, which, while annoying, isn't illegal.
AnonFangeekGirl
10:35:31 PM Dec 9th 2013
A Disgraced God of Lawful Stupid could be 'Worst Representation Of', then, maybe. And do you think we should make Djibril god of Stupid Evil, then?
Dragon-Kid
06:26:52 AM Jan 14th 2014
Johnny Turbo is officially the Worst Representation of Lawful Stupidness, and Boxbot the Worst Representation of Stupid Goodness. Djibril himself is now the Worst Representation of both Chaotic Stupidness and Stupid Evilness.
Valiona
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09:41:58 PM Nov 24th 2013
Has this been done here or anywhere else? Additionally, is this the right place for it? In any case, I'd like to nominate Ace Ray.

  • Ace Ray, God of Unintentionally Convincing Strawmen
  • Symbol: The Wonderbolts insignia, affixed to a "Down with Starfleet" sign.
  • Alignment: Neutral Good
  • Portfolio: Being set up as an easily disprovable argument, but making more sense than was intended, being the only one to complain about something, Informed Wrongness, not being believed, random and petty malicious acts that make one look bad without detracting from one's argument
  • Domain: Strawmen (Betrayed), Minority Opposition
  • Followers: Mai from How I Became Yours, Edfred from Naruto Veangance Revelaitons
  • Allies: Britney
  • Enemies: The Grand Ruler and his followers (which, unfortunately for Ace Ray, includes his former Wonderbolts comrades and even his own sister), as well as anyone whose strawman opponents had more support than they did.
  • To fail at failing to make a valid argument sounds like a double negative, if not outright impossible, but not for Ace Ray. He was created to be the face of the opposition to the Grand Ruler and Unicornicopia, not unlike Emmanuel Goldstein. A gluttonous, bitter and lazy washout from the Wonderbolts was never thought to be a good spokesperson for the opposition, which is why the powers that be were surprised when many people agreed with Ace Ray’s points, albeit few of whom were from Unicornicopia. Even though Ace Ray was later arrested and brainwashed after an ugly public incident in which he physically attacked and threatened to kill his own sister, Skye (one that his detractors hoped would tarnish his image) for being a Grand Ruler loyalist, his words still had impact; the way he was treated was largely viewed as only exacerbating the problem and validating his points.
  • The Pantheon thus had an assignment uniquely suited to Ace Ray- he was sent to the Disgraces in order to make arguments against overthrowing the Pantheon. They hoped that in the process, his valid points would go unheeded, and he would send the Disgraces even further into a self-congratulatory and complacent state of mind; if they were unable to reach the epiphanies required for redemption, they should be blind to any ideas that might allow them to succeed. So far, it has been successful. *Ace Ray is shunned by most of the Disgraces. At best, they laugh at him, and at worst, they are angry with him for even daring to express an opposing view. His only friend among the Disgraces is Britney; they had bonded over their both feeling like outcasts for going against the grain.
  • Chance Of Redemption: Possible, but it has yet to be seen how he fares when making an argument that is meant to be believed, or when acting as a straw man in opposition to a more widely held opinion.
AnonFangeekGirl
08:24:32 AM Nov 26th 2013
edited by 206.63.252.18
If he's convincing, he probably doesn't belong here. Thinking of My Little Unicorn, however, we could probably find room for Lightning Dawn. Maybe as the God of Accidentally Proving the Opposite of What You Intend To, Hate Fics, and One-Dimensional Characters.
AnonFangeekGirl
04:49:46 PM Dec 20th 2013
Aw, what the heck. I'll add him in.
Tehrannotaur
topic
07:45:06 PM Nov 24th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
Since there isn't a holder for goddess of Girl Posse, I like to nominate Minami Obuchi, Natsumi Koizumi and Kumi Mouri from School Days for the title, and also as a potential replacement for Misa Toriizaki for title of Swiss Messenger.

Evidence:
  • Their (and possibly more people) treatment towards Kotonoha is the reason why she's so insane (being Yandere towards Makoto), made worse when Makoto betrays her. In Cross Days (which is basically a sequel to School Days but with Yuuki Ashikaga as the protagonist), she descends further towards insanity to the to the point of being paranoid and insecure about her relationship with Makoto that she views any female getting too close to him as a threat, even if said person is trying to help her out as a result of everything she's been through her whole life (probably an even worse case of There Are No Therapists than Shinji's case).
  • They never get away with their acts. Not even Kotonoha, their biggest victim, who now driven mad, kills them in revenge. Instead she just goes passive on them, an indication as to how huge of an Extreme Doormat she is.
  • They are responsible for at least half of the bad things happening in School Days (Makoto just happens to be their unwitting pawn)

Minami Obuchi, Natsumi Koizumi and Kumi Mouri, Goddesses of Girl Posses and Swiss Messengers
ChrisX
10:00:33 PM Nov 24th 2013
I'd say Eliza Reagan is going to LIKE them.
Tehrannotaur
07:23:34 AM Nov 25th 2013
thanks
Camilla
08:27:41 AM Nov 25th 2013
I think this will work well. There were also debates that Oryou Sonozaki got sent here (as her cold attitude caused LOTS of strife for the Higurashi cast), but when I look at Misa yes she got a lot of strife but she only appeared in one arc in Fourze and when she came back in the movie she willingly helped with the whole 'Give Gentaro Cosmic Energy' act. Yes she is a Swiss Messenger for causing one guy to transform into a Zodiarts but compared to these three, they are small potatoes and most likely SHE would be their pawn also.

So yeah, go for it. These three are going down.
Tehrannotaur
06:27:33 PM Nov 25th 2013
thanks. Time to add them in
AnonFangeekGirl
topic
03:03:19 PM Nov 18th 2013
About the newest Millstone in the disgraces, isn't Gilligan already god of millstones? I don't think we need another, unless the pantheons are trying to make sure the Disgraces don't try anything, or if they do, don't succeed.
Dragon-Kid
08:29:29 AM Nov 19th 2013
The real reason why I put Lance Vance is because of his Millstoning is not played for laughs, it's a serious business for the cast of GTA: Vice City... also he's truly dumb to live.
Tehrannotaur
topic
11:56:57 AM Nov 9th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
I like to nominate a new deity for the Disgraces for Horrible Parodies: The Robot Chicken. Ever since season 5, which the Dethroning Moment of Suck count went up the roof and how 90% of it is flat-out Dude, Not Funny!, it would suitable for him to be demoted to the disgraces.

The Robot Chicken, God of Godawful Brainless "Parodies"
Dragon-Kid
08:44:20 AM Nov 19th 2013
Put it for now. If Season 7 doesn't contain awful parodies, send it to the Purgatory.
Tehrannotaur
08:18:32 PM Nov 19th 2013
So can I?
magnum12
09:38:20 PM Nov 21st 2013
Go ahead.
Tehrannotaur
07:10:00 PM Nov 24th 2013
thanks
AnonFangeekGirl
topic
11:12:18 AM Nov 6th 2013
Proposition: Pinkamena, Goddess of Fanmade Dark Sides, be moved to the disgraces. Currently, she's in the house of Wild Mass Guessing, but given how much she horrified the fanbase, and exactly how much she's canon-defilement, shouldn't she be moved to the disgraces? (that, and currently, the title of Goddess of Canon Defilement is now open)
Dragon-Kid
08:18:27 AM Nov 18th 2013
Go ahead... and please separate Pinkamena from Pinkie Pie via Enemy Without.
AnonFangeekGirl
03:36:10 PM Nov 18th 2013
OK. And, do you think that she should be made a knight (otherwise, she'll be a baker/assassin)? She has great talent with torture weapons, and the knights are the more combat-oriented of the Disgraces. I think that she could maybe take Peter Griffin's post, as he is not a combat-oriented character.
Dragon-Kid
topic
08:00:02 PM Oct 6th 2013
Now that The Protectors of the Plot Continuum are in the Main House... can anyone finally banish Rose Potter from the Disgraces forever?
Tehrannotaur
topic
09:48:07 PM Oct 1st 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
New Deity to be added to the Disgraces: Petr from the Olatunde Osunsanmi-directed film from 2005, The Cavern

Petr, God of Horrifically Traumatizing Twist Endings
  • Rank: Quasideity
  • Symbol: An animal pelt
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Brain Bleach, Squick, Cruel Twist Endings, Endings during mid-rape scene
  • Domains: Chaos, Evil, Depravity, "Love", Rape, Caves
  • Followers: Buppa
  • Allies: Slaanesh, Gurk
  • Enemies: Film Brain, The Nostalgia Critic, all film critics in general.
  • Upon watching The Cavern, the Court of the Gods had a collective Heroic BSOD as they developed a splitting headache and went blind as a result of watching the film. It took a combination of a love talk from archangel Flonne, the couragous speeches of Kamina, Bang and Naruto, and the fiery expurgation of the unholy "works" by Vulkan, Adell, Zuko, Shana, The Nostalgia Critic and The Angry Video Game Nerd, in order to snap the court out of it.
  • Position: Civilian
  • Chance of Redemption: Absolutely none.
AnonFangeekGirl
11:03:17 AM Nov 20th 2013
He's in.
Dragon-Kid
topic
06:01:44 PM Sep 29th 2013
How about adding this character?:

Flim-Flam McScam, the Scorned Ethnic God
  • Quasideity
  • Symbol: His Yellow Tracksuit.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good... In Name Only
  • Portfolio: Annoying Brats, Token Minorities, Unnecesary Younger Additions, Widely Hated by the Fanbase, Kid Delinquents. Formerly Kid Detectives.
  • Domains: Good (Betrayed).
  • Fellow Ally in the Disgraces: Scrappy-Doo.
  • Position: Prisoner in the Dungeon of Mary Suetopia.
  • Got kiced to the Disgraces by being one of most hated Ethnic Characters in fiction.
  • The first day Flim Flam steps in Mary Suetopia, he ends up arrested by stealing valuable things of the Royal Family. As a result, the King and Queen received Flim Flam a harsh sentence of 25 years in the Dungeon of Mary Suetopia for being a juvenile con-artist.
  • Chance of Redemption: He's hated even more so than Scrappy. So he stays here until next advice by the Court of the Gods.
Camilla
08:18:32 PM Oct 2nd 2013
Is he REALLY that hated? I've watched Scooby-Doo for as long as I can remember and Scrappy was really the one thing I so LOATHED about Scooby Doo due to the two 15-minute shorts, the lack of Fred, Daphne and Velma etc. I actually LIKED Flim-Flam cause, heck he WASN'T Scrappy and the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo was THE Scooby Doo show that got me into supernatural plots and such (to the point that I was up at 6:30 in the morning on Boomerang just to catch an episode.) Nowadays, I can't watch the 13 Ghosts due to everyone's utter dislike of Flim-Flam and seriously aren't there WORSE Ethnic scrappies than him?
Megafighter3
01:25:36 AM Oct 3rd 2013
I'll be honest, I never understood the hatred for Scrappy myself. Maybe it's a generational thing, but he didn't seem all that bad of a character.
Camilla
10:24:27 PM Oct 4th 2013
I was around 7-10 when I was watching it and most of the time my hatred wasn't for Scrappy but always the humongous marathons of the Scooby and Scrappy-doo show and me waiting for the episodes when Fred, Daphne and Velma could show up (which was rare, let me tell you). Flim Flam was actually a unique character to the Scooby Gang cause he wasn't as heroic; he was a cunning trickster who most likely had to swindle his way out in order to live (considering that the village he was in at the start of 13 Ghosts had people transformed into werewolves) and he could weasel his way out of most situations. The thing I'm wondering is whether Flim Flam is really THAT hated of an Ethnic Scrappy than say Paco from Jackie Chan Adventures.

Also, who should be the god of Damsel Scrappy (please not Mokuba as I think there are better options than him)
Megafighter3
02:26:06 PM Oct 5th 2013
edited by 173.48.237.100
We had Kim Bauer, but she Took a Level in Badass, paid her dues in Purgatory and is back in the mortal realm.
Camilla
03:28:30 PM Oct 5th 2013
Okay. But still, aren't their other gods better as Ethnic Scrappies. The reason is that most of Scrappy's hatedom is due to him being on much much longer than the established Scooby Doo characters at a time, while Flim Flam only was in one scooby doo show that got canceled after 13 episodes. It seems very disproportionate if you asked me.

So most likely we should wait till we have better candidates for those types of scrappies then.
Dragon-Kid
01:52:45 PM Feb 15th 2014
I'm considering sending Flim-Flam to The Fallen instead.
Tehrannotaur
topic
08:53:45 PM Sep 23rd 2013
With Edfred added thanks to discussion, maybe we can re-add Ronan Beelzub

Ronan Beelzub, God of Lemon Stus
Megafighter3
01:34:23 AM Sep 24th 2013
Can I just state that I'm not really happy with adding him or Rose back in? Their respective Trope Pages are GONE! Dead! With very little chance of returning. And as I said before, bringing both back after their in-canon removal does damage other established points.

1. Rose's removal was what allowed Blaise to leave for Purgatory, since he no longer needed to moderate between her and Ebony and allowed Ebony to take the throne as Archmage. Anon Fangeek Girl completely disregarded that and added her back in with no references to made to that.

2. Gurk has pretty much taken Ronan's spot. I'm not entirely happy with Gurk's presence either, but I've learned to tolerate it since his presence doesn't override anyone else's. The same cannot be said for Ronan.

So no, I'd rather not see Ronan return. In fact, I'd rather Rose be removed and Edfred replaced with the PPC.
Tehrannotaur
04:59:44 PM Sep 24th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
No one complained with Rose Potter's reintroduction and Edfred's introduction. Just because their respective trope pages are gone doesn't mean they have to be as well. For Blaise Zabini, his title (Possession Sue) was taken over by The Usurper. For Gurk, his title is God of Squick and Horrifically Traumatizing Fanfics, as opposed to Lemon Stus (Ronan's would-be title). Gurk isn't a Lemon Stu, and I can't think of any other appropriate holder for the title (Makoto Itou from School Days could be a possibility, although he's a God alongside with Sekai for God and Goddess Painfully Stupid Love Plots, and adding God of Lemon Stus for Makoto could possibly separate the two).
Megafighter3
10:37:54 PM Sep 24th 2013
edited by 173.48.237.100
"Just because their respective trope pages are gone doesn't mean they have to be as well."

That was the precedent set for removal back with Rance and Kengo Inui.

Plus, that doesn't address my point that Rose's reintroduction undermines Ebony's ascension to Archmage. It also feels like Anon Fangeek Girl doesn't really care much for what others had established before, as none of what she wrote about Rose matches what she originally was before her removal.

  • 1. Her titles: Rose was originally Goddess of Canon Defilement, New Powers as the Plot Demands (Now belonging to the kind of forced Leif), and Unnecessary Nudity none of which were kept in the transition.
  • 2. Her power level. Pre-banishment she was an Overdeity within her own Temple and had to be contained in that temple to allow her powers to be siphoned. Now she's just a Demigoddess with no reference to stripping her power from her. In fact, she's now being use to depower OTHER dieties
  • 3. Enemies: Baffling is that she chose Ron and Hermione despite the fact that TGWL is the probably the least Harmonian thing I can remember. Meanwhile, pre-banishment her enemies including ALL HP characters, Rowling and the PPC.
  • 4. The Flavor Text: The older flavor text used a lot more details from the fic, bringing up her understandings of "love" and just how dangerous the Druids were. Along with that, her nicknames were actually there.
  • 5. Ebony: Again, her and Ebony were both Mages and when she got banished, Ebony took full power. Not only does having her come back undermine Ebony's position, it also undermines the fact that Rose was hinted at betraying Ebony at some point to gain power.

As for Edfred, he feels like a less than ideal choice for God of Mary Sue Hunters. Ronan's gone so he doesn't have much point in that role and really, he was a one-chapter Deus Ex Machina while the PPC are a full-blown organization of Agents with clearly defined rules and regulations for capture and killing, and were the ones who codified it.
AnonFangeekGirl
05:52:11 PM Nov 4th 2013
Oh, sorry about that. The only thing I knew about her was that she was banished from the Disgraces, and I didn't really think of her as powerful enough to be an Overdeity. I had no idea what she was before, and quite honestly, I think Hermione would hate her for what she did to Ron. You're free to edit her enemies if you want, and yes, I do think (at least now that you've mentioned it) that all of the HP characters would be her enemies.

And keep in mind, she was, yes, banished. While she was gone, I think that Enoby would have consolidated power, making it pretty much impossible for her to ascend to her previous power. And do note, I had absolutely no idea what got her banished, just that she was. I felt that she'd be perfect for being a Disgrace, and my own idea is that Bella and Edward overrode Tata, because Rose has been very useful to them. That's my explanation, and if it's unsatisfactory, feel free to point that out.
AnonFangeekGirl
06:11:56 PM Nov 4th 2013
You're also free to edit the flavor text, and I'll try to weld this new information into her entry. I hope that'll make Rose more acceptable as a Disgrace.
Megafighter3
09:25:09 PM Nov 4th 2013
The reasons for her banishing have been covered elsewhere, but to reiterate, the reason we cut her was because it was around that time that other fics and works wer being cut since their content was a hot button for advertisers. Once her page was given the axe, the next step was full banishment from TV Tropes as had been done with Kengo Inui, Rance and Ronan Beelzub.

And I understand wanting to keep her in the Disgraces, I had done a lot of work in helping to perfect the original entry, even finding stuff like her druidess name and her nickname of Prongs Jr. But the wiki made its choice and killed the relating page, so it was time for her to go.

As for Rose's power level... well, given that she is a druid, something the fic established CAN destroy entire cities, and had the power to kill Dementors, we pretty much went from there.
AnonFangeekGirl
03:00:14 PM Nov 6th 2013
Oh, and, by the way, the author was in fact Harmonian, but due to Harry being made a girl, H/Hr wasn't a viable ship, because apparently he wanted Harry to remain heterosexual even though he's a girl.
magnum12
topic
12:17:09 PM Aug 24th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.2
There's someone who has been long overdue to be placed in the Disgraces. Teppei Houjou. He's basically the biggest scrappy in the entire When They Cry franchise, namely for being a sadistic child abuser. Some of the worst acts of abuse he's canonically done (Visual Novel version only) include forcing Satako to strip naked to be used as a table or a pet. Making things worse are highly plausible theories based on the circumstances of Satako's breakdown (manga and visual novel versions only) that he actually raped a 11-12 year old girl (Satako) in Tatagoroshi-hen which until we get confirmation from Word of God are currently in the realm of Shrodingers Cat Box.

To sum up the raw level of hate towards him, Higurashi is actually a series AGAINST vigilantee action and violent solutions, yets the fandom (if youtube is any indication) seems to generally CHEER every time he gets murdered (at leasat three times if you count the PS2 version). On top of that, there was a character poll in August of 2013. Teppei is the ONLY major character who didn't even get on the list with even very minor characters like Nomura making it to the list. As such, I have an idea on how to place him.

Teppei Houjou, God of Ass Hole Victim
  • Rank: Quasi Diety
  • Symbol: His head smashed in and split open.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil.
  • Portfolio: Ass Hole Victim, Evil Uncle.
  • Domains: Chaos, Evil, Greed, Strength
  • Allies: Ghestis
  • Enemies: Every good and neutral aligned member of the House of Family, Rika Furude, Mion and Shion Sonozaki, Rena Ryuguu, Bernkastel, Oyashiro-Sama, Kyoko Sakura, Sayaka Miki, Homura Akemi, Darth Vader.
  • Superior: Ryukishi 07
  • Posistion in Mary Sue Topia: Crime Boss.
  • This is literately the ONE TIME where its even remotely possible to get Rika Furude and Bernkastel to cooperate with each other. In fact, the two people who hate Teppei the most are Rika Furude and Oyashiro-Sama because half of the scenarios in Rika's "Endless June" hell are directly because of him. That and he has directly murdered Rika in off-screen time lines. She has of course talked to Homura about this, which made Homura want a piece of him as well.
  • Earned Kyoko's ire over his more violent acts of abuse being similar to acts done to her Morality Pet in the "Oriko" timeline. Teppei's lesser crimes are similar to things that have set Sayaka over the edge in the pen-ultimate timeline. Due to the other more foul things he does, the girls are getting very tempted to bring Kroak's SOB punting into this.
  • Teppei is the OTHER fastest way to bring out Rena's "other side" due to his targeting of her father.
  • When Raiden found out that he murdered Rika in one timeline, his Jack the Ripper persona came out, which resulted in him using his sword to eviserate Teppei "Watanagashi Style".
  • Chance of Redemption: Zilch.

Now we just need a proper court of the gods punishment for him.
Tehrannotaur
05:26:38 PM Aug 26th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
How about these:

  • His punishment consisted of a nice visit to Hayate Ayasaki to take care of him as his new adoptive father after adopting him from his parents, who are also in the Disgraces. He learned nothing from it since he continued to treat Hayate like crap even after adopting him before he runs away from him and goes to the Sanzenin household, so then the Court of the Gods decided to give him a new punishment: send him to Kamakura town to adopt an orphan who's been abandoned by her parents since birth due to her horns (i.e. Lucy). Teppei then adopted her from the cruel kids at the orphanage, only for him to repeatedly bully Lucy in the same manner as the kids. Ultimately, she snaps and eviscerates him in less than a second.

  • After Raiden sees Teppei abuse and kill Rika, he reverts to his "Jack the Ripper" persona at the sight of her murder and brutally eviscerates him with his sword.
ChrisX
05:31:11 PM Aug 26th 2013
You mean Hayate's PARENTS.
Tehrannotaur
06:02:43 PM Aug 26th 2013
yes I know. Anyways, I'll correct it to make it more sensible
magnum12
08:08:47 PM Aug 26th 2013
Maybe add in some stuff about Terra Branford, Bryan Mills and the Big Daddies getting involved.

Or some more details about how Rika and Bernkastel cooperating. With the added twist that Bernkastel's objective was to troll Shion Sonozaki (who herself is a horrifically CRUEL Troll nearly as awful as Bernkastel herself when hit by the series' Hate Plague) by introducing her to "an old friend" (i.e. Hinimizawa Syndrome) just to see the fireworks go off.

Sorry, my mind is a bit dead on the details right now.
Tehrannotaur
topic
07:28:39 PM Aug 22nd 2013
With the Disgraces unlocked and open for editing, why not we bring back the Mangogirl. Already Rose Potter was brought back, so why not this. Mangogirl deserves to be in the disgraces.

Manogirl Goddess of Horrifically Traumatizing Fanfics
  • Quasideity
  • Symbol: An empty container of Brain Bleach
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Traumatizing fan fiction, Squick, Depraved literature, Canon Defilement.
  • Domains: Chaos, Evil, "Love", Knowledge.
  • Allies: Slaanesh.
  • Enemies: Ghazkull, Mork.
  • Posistion in Mary Sue Topia: Writer of "romance" stories.
  • Upon reading the works associated with Manogirl's trial, the court of the gods had a collective Heroic BSOD as their brains broke. It took a combination of a love talk from archangel Flonne, the couragous speeches of Kamina, Bang, and Naruto, and the firey purgation of the unholy "works" by Vulkan, Adell, and Zuko in order to snap the court out of it.
  • Chance of Redemption: Absolutely zero.
ChrisX
07:37:01 PM Aug 22nd 2013
edited by 69.172.221.8
Remember that there's the rule of No Real Life Examples, Please! in play here. Which means, no author or creator of things that exist in real life. Not even Christian Weston Chandler of Sonichu, who we'd put as much as we'd love to (he was once here, but removed).

If Mangogirl/Manogirl (which one again) is fictional, then go ahead and put her in. If not... pick one of her creations that represent that trope you speak of.
Tehrannotaur
09:21:59 PM Aug 22nd 2013
edited by 69.172.221.2
What about Ronan Beelzub, that person is a fictional character. What's wrong with puttin him in. If you're wondering if it Manogirl or Mangogirl, it's Mangogirl. How about if I put Mangogirl's Warhammer 40,000 story "Squad Broken". That seems horrifying enough to warrant a position in the Disgraces. Anyways, what got Peter sent to the Disgraces? Just asking.
troy56
09:27:17 PM Aug 22nd 2013
Ronan is a fanfic character.
Tehrannotaur
09:28:24 PM Aug 22nd 2013
edited by 69.172.221.2
Well, let's add him in.

Ronan Beelzub, God of Horrifying Erotica
ChrisX
11:19:13 PM Aug 22nd 2013
He was once removed because of his fanfic page being removed to accomodate with the new rules in TVT. I wonder if that rule still stands right now. If it still stands, he can get re-added.

Fair warning: Ronan was once REMOVED from the pantheon altogether. Please please please think carefully before you even try to re-add him.

So, for the others who are more well-versed in the TVT Rules... what says you?
Megafighter3
01:35:31 AM Aug 23rd 2013
I'm fairly certain that the rules were once NVR and TGWL got cut, so did their respective gods. Plus, bringing Rose back would be damaging to the canon of the Disgraces, since her removal was the catalyst for Blaise's redemption and Ebony's ascent to Archmage. Bringing her back under a new position undermines those changes.

Now if, and ONLY IF, the two fics find themselves back on Tropes that I'd be fine with having them back in the Disgraces, as both were good elements. Hell, Edward and Bella's previous redemption was an attempt to salvage an earlier storyline where Ronan and Ebony would've become the Rulers of Marysuetopia.

But as it stands, they don't have pages on TV Tropes so I feel that no, they should not be included.

As for Peter's induction, he was there to replace Homer Simpson, who was the previous god, since I read through the D Mo S page for Family Guy at that time and felt that Peter was a far worse father than Homer.
Tehrannotaur
01:49:40 AM Aug 23rd 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
Well, who could take the title as God/ Goddess of Author Filibuster and Cultural Posturing? Anyways how come TGWL got cut? It doesn't look too raunchy to me. I can understand as to why Naruto Veangance Revelaitons was cut. As for having characters restricted to fiction only allowable on T Vtropes, I don't really agree well with it.

There's more evidence as to why peter ended up here:

  • The HUGE amount of Dethroning Moments of Suck in the series, most of which are caused by Peter Griffin, either direct or indirect.
  • Peter's increasingly Jerkass behavior towards anyone, especially to Meg.
  • Peter's increasing Stupidity as the series progresses.
  • Any of Peter's jokes nowadays fall under Dude, Not Funny! territory, pretty much indicating that he's becoming increasingly tasteless, vulgar, offensive, unfunny, patronizing and catering to the very lowest forms of society, descending to the levels of Jason Friedberg And Aaron Seltzer in terms of funniness, creativity and originality
Megafighter3
02:03:55 AM Aug 23rd 2013
We made it fiction only since writing about real life people runs a great risk of Flame Bait and in the long run mostly was clutter. As for the TGWL, it wasn't a matter of raunchiness, but of the fact that it was a hot-button to feature a fic in which undersage girls (which a good number of female characters in Harry Potter were) in sexual situations described in great detail. This wasn't even something that could be swept under cultural differences as the girls were not the legal age in either the US or the UK.

As for the titles? At this point I don't feel like that's a primary concern for us. I'm currently adjusting to the change in structure brought on by the additions of Renesmee and Jacob. Maybe when things have settled down here, then I'd be more willing to discuss that.
magnum12
11:45:14 AM Aug 24th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.8
If you want to represent Manogirl's works, then we need to use Gurk, the Ork protagonist of the infamous "Squad Broken". That "work" is so infamous that it is literately a Berserk Button for the 40k fandom. The words squad broken got shouted out loud at the 2008 Games Day LA and the entire crowd looked at the guy with a pissed off lock. I should know, I was there.

Gurk, God of Squick and Brain Bleach
  • Rank: Quasi Diety
  • Symbol: An empty canister of Brain Bleach
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil.
  • Portfolio: Brain Bleach, Lemon Fic, Squick.
  • Domains: Chaos, Evil, Depravity, "Love"
  • Followers:
  • Allies: Slaanesh
  • Enemies: Every good and neutral aligned member of the House of Love, Ghazkull, Thrall, Mork and Gork.
  • Posistion in Mary Sue Topia: Writer of "romance" stories.
  • Upon reading Squad Broken, the court of the gods had a collective Heroic BSOD as their brains broke. It took a combination of a love talk from archangel Flonne, the couragous speeches of Kamina, Bang, and Naruto, and the firey purgation of the unholy "works" by Vulkan, Adell, and Zuko in order to snap the court out of it.
  • Chance of Redemption: Absolutely zero.

Tehrannotaur
08:43:57 PM Aug 27th 2013
i'll add him in
ChrisX
topic
06:42:55 PM Aug 22nd 2013
Okay bear with me in this.

I think I was being too harsh on Juergen. Notably because his inclusion was because I'm just being too salty over what happened to Lamia because of him. That being said, in 2nd Original Generations, we've seen that Juergen was at least being viewed more 'positively' that Kaoru Tomine, a much more blatant Mad Scientist, boasts that his BSK/LIOH system would be something that surpasses Juergen's ODE, which just serves to bring someone (Touma) into a gigantic berserker rage, for his own... petty reasons (at least for as much as warped he is, Juergen still has some good intentions for humanity even if his creation ends up Gone Horribly Right). That being said, Lamia didn't hold it against him so she probably forgave him... so I say that now that the Disgraces got unlocked... I think it's high time we release Juergen into the mortal realm.

What do you think?

That being said... this will leave the seat of Big Bad Wannabe vacuum. However, the leaving of Juergen means that it'll have the chance to be shot into a proper Pantheon house, like maybe the Villains house. Any possible candidates?
Megafighter3
01:41:21 AM Aug 23rd 2013
I'd say don't bother with finding a replacement, I'd say don't bother. Big Bad Wannabe isn't a purely negative trope and falls flat compared to other crimes that many have held. At best, you could just have him take the title with him to the Villains house.
ChrisX
03:15:42 AM Aug 23rd 2013
That means he'll still be on the Pantheon, and I just realized that I put him here because it's just me being salty. I don't think he might've represented the trope that well. So... just pull him out of the Pantheon anyway?
Megafighter3
10:52:19 AM Aug 23rd 2013
Sure.
Megafighter3
topic
08:57:44 PM Jul 25th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Finished.
sanfranman91
topic
09:14:15 AM Jul 14th 2013
I don't know about you, but I think Kio Asuno could be a follower of Scrappy-Doo. Hell, his pacifism-spiel pissed off Gundam fans (myself included) so much, that maybe he deserves a spot on this pantheon. What are your thoughts and will the mods add him if they see fit?
JamesPicard
topic
02:44:45 PM Jun 25th 2013
Forgive me for being ignorant, but why is Mara Jade here? The description of her didn't provide a whole lot of information as to why she's a Sue. Now, this is coming from a guy who's only exposure to the character was through the Zahn books she was in, but she never seemed that bad to me. Again, this may simply be me being ignorant, so if anyone wishes to call me out for being an idiot, feel free to do so.
Megafighter3
02:26:49 PM Jul 16th 2013
Because her status as a sue depends on who's writing her. The basis of her place here is because while she she might have been good in the Zahn books, another book my have made her a complete Sue.
Dragon-Kid
11:48:17 AM Jan 19th 2014
However, due to her higher chances of redemption, i'm going to send her to the mortal realm.
Megafighter3
04:10:59 PM Jan 24th 2014
I'd say let her stay in Purgatory for a bit, have her complete a task and then have her becoming goddess of Expanded Universes.
Rynnec
topic
12:58:12 AM Jun 21st 2013
Does Cypha even fit as a follower of Wilhelm anymore? Aside from curb-stomping Lamia Loveless and her Expy, they really don't seem to have much in common at all, their characters and personalities are completely different. And considering how Cypha is slowly becoming Signum's primary rival/antagonist, it's safe to say she's not a Big Bad Wannabe either.
ChrisX
01:04:14 AM Jun 21st 2013
Well we could edit it, but up until now this page hasn't been unlocked...
Rynnec
01:45:38 AM Jun 21st 2013
Maybe we can try to get a mod to edit it?
ChrisX
01:59:57 AM Jun 21st 2013
You can ask that too.
Rynnec
02:19:50 AM Jun 21st 2013
Alright. So do I just PM a mod to make the edit or something?
ChrisX
02:29:25 AM Jun 21st 2013
There's this topic
Rynnec
03:53:47 PM Jun 21st 2013
Made the request. Though, I'm not sure if I worded it correctly.
br987936
topic
01:02:31 AM Apr 5th 2013
Just a thought: Divis Mal of Aberrant could definitely be a follower of Kaldor Draigo.
ChrisX
01:14:46 AM Apr 5th 2013
This page is locked, dude. Wait until it's unlocked.
br987936
01:41:08 AM Apr 5th 2013
...So, that precludes any possible mention or discussion? Isn't that sort of the point of there being a discussion board?
Telcontar
moderator
02:13:30 AM Apr 5th 2013
No, you can still discuss stuff, and if you want an addition or edit then post here and the mods will do it for you. Locking a page shouldn't mean it's dead.
ChrisX
02:30:43 AM Apr 5th 2013
Ah, I see. Didn't know the topic can be used for that too. Thanks.
magnum12
03:16:36 PM May 5th 2013
Just because some troll decided to be a wiki vandal doesn't mean that the page should be locked for everybody.
Megafighter3
04:10:52 PM May 17th 2013
One of us could ask for the page to be unlocked, if enough time has passed that the troll won't come back.
Megafighter3
topic
05:00:08 PM Feb 23rd 2013
So, what do we do with Ethan? Does he stay here, or would his death (and the reasoning behind it) be enough to put him in Purgatory?
Megafighter3
topic
07:32:41 PM Dec 27th 2012
edited by Megafighter3
I'd like to add two more pieces of evidence for Waltman.

1. His recent run in Chikara as 1-2-3 Kid.

2. The pop he got during his appearance at RAW 1000. Admittedly, he was a part of D-X, but it was pop for X-Pac when mention of him would result in "X-Pac Sucks" chants.
CerotechOmega
12:35:13 PM Dec 30th 2012
Real Life entries are highly contestable and prone to flames. Sorry, but he's staying out.
Megafighter3
01:19:44 PM Dec 30th 2012
...So why is he still in the Disgraces then? Shouldn't he have been cut already?
Monsund
topic
04:53:13 PM Dec 8th 2012
I deleted the real life examples as I don't believe we should engage in Creator Bashing and its possible Flame Bait. Listing characters from their work would be more appropriate.
Megafighter3
07:46:57 PM Dec 8th 2012
You missed the RIAA and Matt Ward.
Bluesunnyday
03:12:03 PM Dec 22nd 2012
Did you ASK anyone about this? Going around shanking examples is really something that requires a bit more than "There's SOME potential for flame bait, so snip snip snip.
Bluesunnyday
03:12:19 PM Dec 22nd 2012
Oh wait nvm I'm an idiot
Peteman
topic
04:51:27 PM Dec 8th 2012
edited by Peteman
We're purging the Real People in the Disgraces and I can understand that, but I would like to put back Chris-Chan, specifically the self-insert persona as opposed to the real one.
Monsund
04:54:44 PM Dec 8th 2012
There's a topic on the subject and if you really want to put in this guy, why not just instead use the Sonichu character?
Peteman
05:14:28 PM Dec 8th 2012
Because of how completely the comic becomes subsumed by the insert character.
Monsund
05:37:10 PM Dec 8th 2012
The main problem is the Self-Insert character has the same name as the creator.

Also on another note, many people are starting to get real sick of hearing about Sonichu and its creator.

We could just use Sonichu, god of recolor fan characters or something like that.
Peteman
05:37:50 PM Dec 8th 2012
Fair enough.
AkoSiKuya23
09:12:48 AM Jan 18th 2013
I wasn't aware we were taking out real life people. Any particular reason?
Peteman
09:14:19 AM Jan 18th 2013
Probably because the potential for flame wars or excess negativity.
magnum12
topic
08:33:38 PM Nov 21st 2012
I think I can come up with some alternate candidates for the posistion of Swiss Messenger based on the sheer level of harm their deeds have inflicted potentially being much worse than the current holder.

1. Onryu Sonozaki: Much of the havoc her deeds cause is as the result of some rather nasty Deconstruction of Sure, Let's Go with That being responsible for provoking Hinimizawa Syndrome and the cycles of madness and death. Here's the list.
  • Her being behind the mistreatment of the Houjou children is a contributing factor in Satako and Satoshi's onset of Hinimizawa Syndrome, meaning Onryu is indirectly responsible for the 1980 and 1982 murder scenarios.
    • The 1980 scenario triggers Teppei entering the siblings lives, meaning Onryu is also indirectly responsible for Tatagoroshi-hen.
  • Her treatment of Shion combined with above makes her directly responsible for the events of Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen (and the subsequent Never Live It Down status of Shion)
  • Is the trigger for Ooishi's Inspector Jaevert tendencies. Since Ooishi is the prime cause of Onikakushi-hen and Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Onryu is indirectly responsible for the events of those arcs as well.
  • Her stubborness is the primary roadblock in the solution to Minagoroshi-hen.

2. Danzo. His lust for power and general asshattery is responsible for the corruption and fall of Sasuke, Itachi, Konan, Nagato, and Kabuto. These are his crimes. related to the trope.
  • Sasuke's bloody path via corruption.
  • Itachi's fall and death, linked with Sasuke's corruption.
  • The Pain Invasion Arc
  • The corruption of Kabuto eventually leading to Kabuto's mass necromancy in the 4th great ninja war, which includes Real Madera, who subsequently killed an entire division (about 20,000 people likely including Gaara, A, Tsunade, and the other 2 kages).
Tehrannotaur
04:22:07 PM Aug 22nd 2013
I'll agree with this and will add both to the disgraces as co-god of the swiss messenger, replacing Misa Toriizaki.
Camilla
10:28:28 PM Oct 4th 2013
it's been amonth and no changes have come yet. You better do it now.
seven7star
topic
11:24:07 PM Sep 10th 2012
edited by seven7star
I know Girl Who Lived was taken down from the site, but could we still have Rose Potter up here? Maybe as the Goddess of Designated Heroes?

EDIT: Is there a trope for inconsistent abilities/powers? If so, I think Alice Cullen could be the goddess for that one.
Megafighter3
11:01:58 PM Oct 17th 2012
We've removed other Gods from other houses once their pages are taken down. Rose is no exception.
Megafighter3
topic
12:25:52 AM Aug 16th 2012
Someone with a bit more knowledge on the Sword of Truth books wanna help out with figuring out the effects of Richard taking control of Marysuetopia would be? What would change or the like?
ChrisX
topic
05:34:13 AM Aug 12th 2012
Hmm... There's one guy that I think REALLY deserves to be here amongst the Disgraces. The guy being Bernie Stolar, the guy with draconian politics that nearly killed Sony Playstation if he wasn't fired as much, and also drove Sega Saturn into failure in the West.

Anyone could think of a good portfolio for him in the Disgraces? Executive Meddling?
magnum12
11:05:50 PM Aug 14th 2012
Isn't he the guy who started the view that 2d gaming is inherently inferior just because it's not 3d (also the reason Americans never got the vastly superior Saturn version of Symphony of the Night), and the guy responsible for a lot of good games never showing up stateside because it had to have voice acting to be considered "hip"?
Megafighter3
11:12:31 PM Aug 14th 2012
If that's the case, I think he'd be a good replacement for Henk Rogers.
ChrisX
04:25:16 AM Aug 15th 2012
Yes.... and yes.

Now can anyone build a good portfolio of it?
magnum12
09:22:44 AM Aug 15th 2012
edited by magnum12
Bernie Stolar God of Executive Meddling and No Export for You
  • Quasi Deity
  • Symbol: A broken game cartridge
  • Alignment: Lawful Evil
  • Portfolio: Executive Meddling, Corrupt Corporate Executive, No Export for You, Viewers Are Morons
  • Domains: Evil, Law, Greed, Stupidity
  • Allies: Johnny Turbo, George Wood.
  • Enemies: Adrian Tepes, Mega Man, Zero, Wesker, all Super Robot Wars gods, Segata Sanshiro, Cloud Strife, Hikaru, Umi and Fuu.
  • The Court of the Gods found him guilt of the following crimes: Being the bane of 2d gaming, being the cause of Super Robot Wars never getting a state side release via his requirement that all games have a voice track, forbidding all JRPGS from a US release (until FF 7 made a lot of money), nearly causing Resident Evil 2 to not get released stateside (Capcom had to threaten to do it to get Sony to allow 2d Mega Man games to be released), being the cause of the inferior PS1 version of Symphony of the Night, ruining Sega Saturn.
  • Upon his sentencing, there was a lottery held amongst his victims to see who would get the honor of enacting his punishment. Segato won, sending him a nice fax that said "You're Fired", resulting in a trap door falling beneath Bernie's feet sending him to The Disgraces, where his office is eternally flooded with hate mail regarding how full of crap his views on gaming are.
  • Posistion: Video game executive.
  • Chance of redemption: Zilch.
ChrisX
09:55:46 AM Aug 15th 2012
Segata Sanshiro should be an enemy of his. He's the cause of Saturn's ruin in US! Sure, it's not Japan, but Sega Saturn is Sega Saturn!

Also.. I think 'Offenses' isn't the standards of Disgraces portfolio, really, if you look at the other portfolios. They can be separated into different flavor texts...
Megafighter3
03:00:59 PM Aug 15th 2012
Yeah, Offense is reserved for Purgatory. Though he'll need a position.
magnum12
04:29:22 PM Aug 15th 2012
Updated. I heard that the Saturn was actually a decent system especially when it came to 2d gaming in contrast with the PS1's crappy RAM (essential for 2d gaming). I also heard this guy was a major player in Sony's strategy of actively using the "kiddy" label (ripping on a game/system because of a lack of mature content). Is that true?
ChrisX
07:05:18 PM Aug 15th 2012
Yes. Basically Bernie believes that 3D is always superior and always pushes in Sports game forward. He was very draconian that the PS1 also suffers from his repercussions, it nearly died out before it could grow and fly into the console juggernaut it is now. And unfortunately, he spreads that to Saturn, killing it in the US.

He actually refused to release Final Fantasy VII to PS1, imagine if that came to pass! Thereby, Cloud Strife has every rights to hate him.

Also, remember the Development Hell that the Saturn Magic Knight Rayearth suffered? His fault too. Hikaru, Umi and Fuu would find enmity to him too.

I'm not sure the 'kiddy' label is accurate, but yeah, even after being fired, I think he left an impact of the No Export for You in several Playstation titles. I think they might have gotten around it, but it's still his fault.

Just look at his wiki entry.

P.S: It's 'Executive', not 'Executivve'.

Bonus points: Try to picture how he was thrown into the Disgraces. Did Segata Sanshiro did the deed for ruining his beloved console in overseas? Or was it something else?
Megafighter3
09:32:14 PM Aug 15th 2012
Most likely Sanshiro, and given that, make Johnny Turbo and ally. And have him be allies with George Wood, who hated seeing text in video games a preferred voice acting.
ChrisX
11:02:48 PM Aug 15th 2012
edited by ChrisX
Good enough, I'll be making some 'extra' adjustments.

Aand Done.
magnum12
topic
06:19:06 PM Aug 3rd 2012
edited by magnum12
Anyone know why Edward Cullen and Bella Swan were removed? Seems kind of sudden. Not to mention that since the supposed 1st act of redemption is mere fan fiction (thus has no actual weight upon anything regarding canon characters), not an actual in canon event, it doesn't truly count. At least Shion actually atoned for the events responsible for her fall in story in the Massacre and Festival Music arcs.
Megafighter3
10:22:04 PM Aug 8th 2012
I admit that it was a rushed move and that I planned for them to have a longer run as rulers. However, saying that it doesn't count because it was non-canon flies in the face of previous redeemed such as Suzaki (Nightmare of Nunally is an AU story) and Jar-Jar Binks (who was redeemed through a webcomic) So there really is no rule against non-canon redemption and there's no reason to start making it a rule.
magnum12
07:55:39 PM Sep 27th 2012
There's new evidence that can easily send both Edward and Bella back to the disgraces.

1. The huge amount of Unfortunate Implications in the novels.

2. Edward and Bella hit virtually every Mary Sue trope (except Villain Sue) there is (especially Bella).

3. Twilight is perhaps the only fanbase with large numbers of people willing to MURDER people who don't like the novels, including incidents involving being assaulted with sharp scissors (actual court case about this one), a group of them trying to beat someone with base ball bats, trying to drown a 5th grade girl in the school bathrooms, and trying to slit someone's throat with a impromtu shiv.
ScorpioTHK
10:33:38 PM Oct 18th 2012
Maybe Edward can come back under Fan Dumb, if there isn't already a god for that.
ChrisX
01:10:23 AM Oct 19th 2012
He's back.
Megafighter3
topic
01:03:32 PM Jul 23rd 2012
Now, I don't disagree with the changing of the guard here, I have to ask, why was Eragon removed? Was this something that was discussed that I missed or is furyofthetempest working solo on this? If it's the former, then I'll accept it and continue with my own plans accordingly. If it's the latter, then FOTT needs to explain themselves.
Sorantheman
09:26:04 AM Jul 30th 2012
I have looked around the the discussions of a few pantheon-related pages. FOTT has not said a single word about this. This is all his or hers very own doing. Should I reset the changes that FOTT made?
Megafighter3
09:57:09 AM Jul 30th 2012
Don't know. I gave them a week to respond before making my own changes to the Disgraces and giving a reason as to why Eragon was removed in-story. I guess if enough people motion for the switch back.
Sorantheman
10:49:57 AM Jul 31st 2012
I just read your story. I'm really not trying to come of as offensive here, but it felt a bit anti-climactic considering that it was the dethroning of the highest leader of the Disgraces. Maybe it's just me, but considering that he leads a faction that is against both GUAG and GUAE, would it not have been better if he had a fight against someone from the Main House? Just a suggestion.
Megafighter3
03:28:09 PM Jul 31st 2012
That's kind of the idea. For all their big talk and grandiose structure, the Disgraces really are the lowest of the low. Hell, the whole point of picking Goldberg as an opponent for him was because it was guaranteed that he would squash Eragon. Even if I hadn't picked Goldberg, the outcome would've been Eragon getting his ass handed to him. Hell, even their status as a third faction in the war is a joke. It'd be like WWF vs. WCW vs. XPW. They're barely held together as an army and don't have enough resources to play with the big leagues. Anti-climatic? Maybe. An appropriate send-off? Yes.
Sorantheman
02:32:16 AM Aug 1st 2012
Good point.
seven7star
11:44:16 PM Sep 10th 2012
I heard that "Eldest" and "Inheritence" Grew the Beard and improved Eragon's character.
ninjadude853
12:16:31 PM Oct 13th 2012
Brisingr, not Eldest. But yes, the third and fourth books of the inheritance cycle were an improvement over the first two. Eragon himself winds up acknowledging many of his flaws and taking steps to overcome them.
Kalle
topic
08:30:05 PM Jul 1st 2012
While I'm not questioning the inclusion of anyone on this page, part of the Eragon description really bothered me: "[He adds] up more Stu points by constantly thwarting Shinji Matou's plans to rape Berii"? Okay, so Berii seems like a badly written character (not a Tokyo Mew Mew fan, honestly) but do we really want to be endorsing that someone deserves to be raped, even if they're fictional characters?
ChrisX
08:42:19 PM Jul 1st 2012
.... Hmmm that's troublesome. Although Shinji's portfolio IS rape and it was meant to be how Berii looks like a Sympathetic Sue (this is the Sue elements we're talking about, so it would make her look bad), the recent stuff about rape tropes could spell trouble...

I wonder if this means we should remove instances of rape, even from the Pantheon.
Megafighter3
09:29:50 PM Jul 1st 2012
Honestly, there's nothing in the text that really endorses that idea, as really the idea is more than Shinji is a disgusting slimeball and Berii and Eragon are exploiting that for "good publicity"

However, given that Rance was recently cut from the Pantheon, maybe it's best we let Shinji go. Not only could that bit of flavor text send bad signals, but his presence here has kinda mislead people about FSN.
Kalle
03:39:37 PM Jul 2nd 2012
Yeah, considering how long that page took to come back from an accidental cut, I'd hate to see what would happen if something like this ended up leading to a permanent one...

Besides, there's probably other slimeballs that could just as easily fill his void without the rape bit.
Megafighter3
10:31:58 PM Jan 21st 2013
Sorantheman
topic
04:42:31 AM Jun 30th 2012
Should we add the Avatar from Ultima here or in the Fallen? I think he should be god for Taking A Level In Dumb Ass. Why, you may ask? One line sums it up: "What's a paladin?"
Kuruni
topic
11:24:30 PM Jun 10th 2012
edited by Kuruni
I suggest we add This Troper here.

The ultimate disgrace that refuse to die.
Megafighter3
topic
10:38:50 AM Jun 6th 2012
What's this about Chris-Chan undergoing a trial?
Peteman
10:43:15 AM Jun 6th 2012
Look up on the CW Cki, October 28 2011. He and his mother caused a serious incident with the Game Shop owner that banned him, and is looking at thousands of dollars in fines and upwards of one year in jail. I don't really know American Law Proceedings (or admittedly, any Law Proceedings), but it had something to do with not stopping after causing a car accident and assault charges.
Megafighter3
10:59:02 AM Jun 6th 2012
So what happens if he goes to jail? Will his avatar from the Sonichu comics take his spot in absentia?
Peteman
11:53:20 AM Jun 6th 2012
I don't know. I was just updating speculation.
magnum12
topic
11:10:21 AM Apr 18th 2012
Have some ideas for a deity of Swiss Messenger

1. Danzo. Major Base Breaker in the series. His actions are responsible for the fall of Itachi, Sasuke (now god of Revenge Before Reason) Konan, Nagato, and now Kabuto which means the current mess with the Edo Tesai zombies in the Great War Arc are directly the result of Danzo acting like a mafia thug towards an orphanage.

2. Onryu Sonozaki. The biggest screw up in the series. Her cruel treatment of Shion combined with her policy of having people falsely believe the Sonozakis are behind stuff to make them look tougher is the prime cause of the Cotton Drifting/Eye Opening chapters (and through that, Shion's position in The Fallen under Never Live It Down). Her encouragement of cruel treatment towards the Hojo siblings is a contributing factor for some of the back story casualties, and being placed with their abusive uncle, which in turn is the cause of the Curse Killing Chapter. Her policies are the cause of Oiishi's Inspector Jaevert tendencies, which in turn cause problems in the Spirited By the Demon and Atonement chapters.

3. P.T. Flea. Manages to pull this trope off twice in the span of thirty minutes.
KSonik
06:23:09 AM Apr 19th 2012
I wouldn't use Danzo as, of course being a Base Breaker, he still has a huge fanbase.
magnum12
01:36:39 PM Apr 19th 2012
Here we have a very unique problem. Am I posting this in the wrong house? Logically this could either way for the following reasons:

1. Inherently negative tropes usually go in The Disgraces or at the most generous, The Fallen. Swiss Messenger is a common cause of gaining a large Hatedom, resulting in a character becoming The Scrappy. 2. Polarizing characters (ie a Base Breaker) could go either way. If not sent to The Disgraces, they typically just BARELY avoid it, example point being Miko, who just barely evaded being in The Disgraces as goddess of Lawful Stupid (compare with Chaotic Stupid who is in The Disgraces. 3. When placing someone under a certain trope in the pantheon, one of my prime objectives is looking for an uber strong candidate (usually an extreme case). All three of them qualify in this aspect.

I'd say about half of what's going wrong in the Naruto verse can be traced to Danzo's actions (Pain Arc is purely his fault, Sasuke being the psycho he is can be traced to him, and now the havoc with the zombies and the subsequent annihiliation of the 4th divison due to real Madera can be traced to him.

With the second example, in addition to many of the triggers for the cycles of madness of death being traced to her, she also crosses fan Hatedom lines with an infamously gruesome/sadistic Moral Event Horizon (the "distinguishment scene") in one of her earlier scenes. Unlike Shion's meh incident which is temporary due to the Ground Hog Day Loop (and repetance for it before dying and in future arcs when she becomes aware), Onryu's meh occurs in every time line, is motivated by an uber petty reason, and is not being fueled by a Hate Plague.

The third example is a general scrappy with rapid fire Swiss Messenger moments and considered a Karma Houdini (another factor towards gaining a Hatedom).
LeoniteRider
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05:34:44 AM Feb 7th 2012
I would like Brian to be removed from his position. Aside from anything else, Seth Mc Farlane has only written 2 episodes, and Brian only gets really preachy about it pre-season 9, and has since not done anywhere near as much, to the point of being beaten up several times (Quagmire layed down a brutal one), more of a case of Writer on Board than Author Tract.

That, and Brian's recent admittance of thoughts about suicide, his kinder demeanor (its subtle, but compare how he treats Meg to the rest of the family) and overall evolution as a character and the punishment he's taken for acting like he has in-universe (Jillian left him, his relationships have been falling apart because of him)... well, I believe its high time we give the dog the heave ho, not back into pantheon, but out of the Disgraces, perhaps just back to being a mortal, with him choosing to stay that way.

Is this possible?
Megafighter3
08:45:25 AM Feb 7th 2012
edited by Megafighter3
You know, I would've agreed up until Seahorse Seashell Party, the episode where Brian convinces Meg to stay with her abusive family and take what they throw at her so they don't turn their attention on each other. It's difficult to see Brian leave after something like that. But I guess if we get enough votes, I can Ret Gone him from the Disgraces as part of Silver's task.
LeoniteRider
06:19:36 PM Feb 7th 2012
He doesn't convince her. She convinces herself, from what I've heard, it was her decision. Brian even told her she was a brave person for doing it.
Megafighter3
01:52:06 AM Feb 8th 2012
Fine then, I vote for his removal.
LeoniteRider
08:36:41 AM Feb 9th 2012
edited by LeoniteRider
Is two votes all thats needed?

EDIT: Also, in exchange for your vote, I voted on one of your earlier comments in here... about Bella Swan.
Megafighter3
09:03:07 AM Feb 9th 2012
edited by Megafighter3
Not sure. I mostly stuck to making it part of the Book of Trope to see if anyone else agrees with the idea. I haven't bothered to touch Brian just yet.
LeoniteRider
07:32:01 PM Feb 11th 2012
I'll take two as being enough then. Brian is being erased from the Disgaraces as a result of Silver's redemption.
CrypticMirror
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05:00:19 AM Jan 27th 2012
Any takers for Genma Saotome as God of thoughtless parenting?
ChrisX
05:34:44 AM Jan 27th 2012
Oh he'd been beaten by Hayate's parents
CrypticMirror
06:15:20 AM Jan 27th 2012
I dunno, I think the Neko-Ken puts him just over the edge. Hayate's have the excuse (such as it is) of having Gambling addictions (a serious mental health problem in its own right), Genma is just a moron.
Megafighter3
11:27:32 PM Feb 7th 2012
That's just Training from Hell.
ChrisX
11:41:23 PM Aug 15th 2012
I don't think Genma even fits... considering in his own series, he was beaten in that department by Principal Kuno. He's got more chances to get that position than Genma.

And Principal Kuno are still beaten by Hayate's parents in that department.
Megafighter3
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11:11:08 PM Jan 26th 2012
So while I failed in my first attempt, I'd still like to make a case for Gilligan to be moved out. Some basic notes.

  • Gilligan only foiled 17 out of 37 escape attempts. Still quite a bit, but the number foiled by other factors still outweighs it.
  • On the other episodes, Gilligan saved the others from death or enslavement.

Considering those factors, I'd move for his release. I promise I won't try the ticket thing again.
Dragon-Kid
10:00:15 PM Oct 27th 2013
edited by 189.232.68.96
Okay, I reflexed about who's going to replace Gilligan and here's my analysis:

Excel doesn't count because she's the Goddess of Hyperactivity in the House of Emotion, and Rico took a level in butt kicking in Killzone 3... that means that we got the ideal candidate for The Millstone: Lance Vance.
Megafighter3
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10:32:11 AM Dec 28th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Lieutenant Mary Sue, Goddess of Parody Sues (The Original Sue)
  • Quasidiety
  • Symbol: A Starfleet Badge.
  • Portfolio: Mary Sues and parodies thereof.
  • Domains: Space, Beauty, Perfection.
  • Followers: All Mary Sues
  • Was believed to have been dead, only for her casket to be found floating throughout space by Wesley and Ethan. It was soon found that she was merely unconscious. She was brought back to consciousness and brought into Marysuetopia.
  • While she is often revered highly by the people, she tries to keep a low profile. While she still retains her beauty, her tendency to attract attention has been dulled due to being surrounded by people with greater Sueishness
  • Position: ???
  • Chance of Redemption: Pretty high, actually. Her sins are small potatoes due to the changing of standards of what makes a Sue. It wouldn't take much for her to jump to Purgatory.
KSonik
06:02:27 AM Dec 30th 2011
edited by KSonik
Why should the original Mary Sue have any chance of redemption? She is still a badly written character.
magnum12
11:02:59 PM Dec 30th 2011
She was originally INTENDED as a parody of self insert characters. The author used her as a form of satire. As such, the prognosis is pretty accurate.
Megafighter3
11:16:35 PM Dec 30th 2011
Yep, now she needs a position.
KSonik
09:06:23 AM Dec 31st 2011
Just because she is a parody it doesn't make her a good one as she still would have been extreme and breaking the Willing Suspension of Disbelief beuing a Sue.
Megafighter3
01:13:41 PM Jan 12th 2012
edited by Megafighter3
Yeah, but putting her under the Mary Sue Litmus Test, she barely even reaches 20. Meanwhile, the point of no return is 50+. Ebony has 195 and Ronan has a 314. Mary Sue barely counts as a Sue anymore.
KSonik
12:23:38 AM Jan 13th 2012
Fair enough.
LeoniteRider
05:28:28 AM Feb 7th 2012
Wait seriously? 314?

Ok, what about Rose Potter?
Dragon-Kid
05:42:31 PM Oct 1st 2013
edited by 201.102.219.137
Lieutenant Mary Sue is now in the Purgatory.
Camilla
10:32:53 PM Oct 4th 2013
And if Megafighter3 is right and she only has 20 points, then shouldn't we bump her into Ambiguity or Theater?
AnonFangeekGirl
05:57:31 PM Nov 4th 2013
She's now in Theater.
Dragon-Kid
11:01:07 AM Nov 6th 2013
Added a description of her redemption and their attempts to bring her back without success.
Megafighter3
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03:22:14 PM Dec 8th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Who here votes we should replace Sarah Brown with Bella Swan? Bella seems to fit the bill of Shallow Love Interest much better than Sarah. Plus, from the look of things on the wiki, no one really lists Sarah as an example on the Trope page or on the EGS page.
LeoniteRider
08:41:09 AM Feb 9th 2012
Seconded, so many times over seconded.
magnum12
12:25:56 AM Feb 12th 2012
Agreed.
Megafighter3
10:40:42 AM Feb 15th 2012
edited by Megafighter3
Bella Swan, Goddess of Shallow Love Interests
  • Quasideity
  • Symbol: An apple.
  • Alignment: True Neutral
  • Portfolio: Women Who Exist Only To Validate Male Characters, Characters That Never Grow
  • Domains: Shallowness, "Love", High School, Perfection.
  • Her ascension was brought on by Edward Cullen, who wanted to be with her again. He pleaded with the King and Queen to have Sarah removed and have Bella take her place. They agreed, making Bella the Princess of Marysuetopia.
  • Position: Crown Princess of Marysuetopia.
  • Chance of Redemption: Even less than Edward. She's too focused on Edward to seek it.

Needs work.
LeoniteRider
10:06:28 AM Feb 18th 2012
LESS chance than Edward. Edward at least has an interest outside of her, she's so shallow she litterally has no character outside of romance. I think that kinda makes her iredeemable to a point that only Berii really seems to share
magnum12
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10:48:02 PM Dec 5th 2011
edited by magnum12
Once again, we seem to have a hole in the 13 Knights of Mary Sue Topia. Based on the discussions regarding Calgar, I think I have a suitable candidate.

Kaldor Draigo God of God Mode Sues.
  • Quasi deity.
  • Symbol: A grey sword piercing a tome.
  • Alignment: Lawful Neutral
  • Portfolio: God-Mode Sue, Knight Templar, Incorruptible Pure Pureness
  • Domains: Law, Light, War, Hax.
  • Allies: Matthew Ward
  • Enemies: All four chaos gods, Abbadon
  • Chance of Redemption: Low. Depends on if the next codex tones him down. Given GW release shedules, that won't happen til 2017-2018 at best.
Megafighter3
01:49:05 PM Dec 6th 2011
No need. You just have to bump one of the gladiators up the fill the void and re-number everyone. I'd suggest putting Shinji Matou in the spot for now.
magnum12
11:16:30 PM Dec 18th 2011
Posistion filled. Still think he's a good candidate for the disgraces though seeing the generally negative reception the character has achieved with the fandom.
LeoniteRider
08:37:54 AM Feb 9th 2012
edited by LeoniteRider
Speaking as a Warhammer fan.... I've heard nothing about that, so I vote against this.

He's a Grey Knight right? The whole pureness thing is part of their whole chapter, and remember, they're hiring quota is stricter than any other chapter as a result, because they have a specific purpose (Anti-Daemon)
magnum12
11:10:30 PM Feb 10th 2012
Check his fluff and you'll see why he's such a ridiculous God-Mode Sue. The worst offender is the bit about carving his name into Mortorian's heart.
magnum12
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10:11:39 PM Dec 1st 2011
I nominate Manogirl (author of some of the the most depraved, vile, vomit inducing Lemons ever to infest the internet, such as Squad Broken, One Night in the Swamp, and Silent Hill New Beginnings) for Goddess of Horrifically Traumatizing Fan Fiction.

Manogirl Goddess of Horrifically Traumatizing Fanfics
  • Quasi diety
  • Symbol: An empty container of Brain Bleach
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Traumatizing fan fiction, Squick, Depraved literature, Canon Defilement.
  • Domains: Chaos, Evil, "Love", Knowledge.
  • Upon reading the works associated with Manogirl's trial, the court of the gods had a collective Heroic BSOD as their brains broke. It took a combination of a love talk from archangel Flonne, the couragous speeches of Kamina, Bang, and Naruto, and the firey purgation of the unholy "works" by Vulkan, Adell, and Zuko in order to snap the court out of it.
  • Chance of Redemption: Absolutely zero.
Megafighter3
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09:16:03 PM Nov 26th 2011
Should we count the Gooker's appearance at Wrestlemania X-7 as a move for his redemption?
KSonik
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04:32:24 AM Nov 19th 2011
Changed the alignment listing for Nena, because the fact she "accidentally" murdered innocent people means those that consider her evil aren't wrong at all.
ChrisX
10:37:39 PM Nov 19th 2011
I can smell Flame War coming. But...

Nena looks as if she's never going to live down that wedding incident. Overall, her loyalty goes more about her brothers and family rather than herself, so I think it does gives her some dashes of Chaotic Neutral.

Is leaking the secrets of Memento Mori so Celestial Being can destroy it when Wang Liu Mei was purposely withholding it considered Evil? It actually saved many lives. A Chaotic Neutral people does both good and evil, but their only concern is ultimately themselves. If Nena's actually Chaotic Evil, I don't think she would be doing that leaking, even if it was to spite on Liu Mei.

I know we need to discuss it and I may be considered a bad man for this, but let's try not to stick with that Never Live It Down.
Megafighter3
01:59:54 PM Nov 20th 2011
Well, I know that to some degree she was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap for killing Wang Liu Mei, but that wasn't really considered good enough by fans (at least from what I can tell on the wiki) at this point her fate is riding on the next SRW game.
Megafighter3
topic
08:16:26 PM Nov 15th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
From what I've read on this wiki, Sean Waltman is slowly becoming less hated thanks to time healing the wounds and his time spent in Mexico and the independent circuit.
Sorantheman
10:50:47 AM Dec 18th 2011
Maybe we could increase his chanse of redemption to medium for now. Only time can tell if he will ever get rid of enough X-Pac heat.
Megafighter3
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02:50:56 PM Nov 15th 2011
So, what's the general consensus on Inheritance? Has Eragon improved in any way?
JohnAtDawn
08:42:41 PM Mar 9th 2012
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Personally, I don't really understand why he is on the list at all. Some of the things in his profile make no sense or are outright wrong. But yes, Inheritance did make his character better.
Megafighter3
04:38:53 PM Jun 1st 2012
Care to elaborate if we're gonna make a big move like this?
ChrisX
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06:46:42 AM Nov 14th 2011
edited by ChrisX
magnum12, I apologize, but I will have to take away your inclusion on Sindel here. I realize that her move was a little too shocking and too much of a Dethroning Moment of Suck for you but you're just demonizing her, forgetting all her characterization before 9, where she was actually pretty decent, and this is hinted in the Arcade Mode, even if it's non-canon that Sindel still possessed a decent heart that would've prevailed if it wasn't for Quan Chi's meddling and Raiden's accidental... things.

Remember that all of her actions were because she's further brainwashed than she already was, imbued with the power of Shang Tsung, and things went out of her control. Even if she committed all that, and people was butthurt, I find it surprising that you forgot all of the good things that Sindel at least provided pre-Armageddon, being a good Queen.

At least you make good points on Quan Chi on how he can stay here, but I really hope that you give him more portfolio based on his pre-9 stats, really, just to be fair. Even if this is the Disgraces, this is not a place to make butthurt and unfair comments on things you don't like.

Remember, in the Pantheon, ALL history of the character, be they the one retconned by 9 or not, STILL exist. Take Sub-Zero for example, even if he was one of the people pwn'd by Sindel, he still retains his place in the main houses, owing greatly to his contribution pre-9. I don't see why Sindel suddenly doesn't deserve such thing. Quan Chi too. The Pantheon and TV Tropes doesn't have to follow which one got retconned.

If it's me, I'd make Sindel's alignment be more like 'Lawful Good, turned Chaotic Evil thanks to some meddling', and have her chance of redemption being Medium, and NOT if her actions were retconned, but more like if she realized and horrified at what she did and strives to atone for her huge-ass sin.

Her good self just got buried, not obliterated. Mark my words. You're getting like those who consider Litchi evil and her good self shown in CT completely destroyed without trace just because she joined NOL. I think I'm starting to sympathize Sindel amongst those who were unjustly hated by quickly-assuming people.
magnum12
08:39:13 AM Nov 14th 2011
edited by magnum12
I see your points on that. I'm merely being a mouthpiece for the fan base on this one. That scene was generally considered a major Wall Banger Dethroning Moment of Suck moment, one of the dumbest moments in all of Mortal Kombat and apparently Sindel became a Scrappy as a result, due to it being way beyond willing suspension of disbelief. As you say, to be fair, Mortal Kombat 9's story did inflict some really dumb writing on a lot of characters. IIRC, you might of said something about Sindel being more deserving of the disgraces of Quan Chi. The reason I put her there was due to two things. 1. The fire storm over that scene which resulted in a nasty effect on Sindel's popularity. 2. That scene is one of the most extreme examples of Cut Scene Power To The Max. IIRC, one of the criteria for being a god of x trope is being one of the strongest examples, much like my reasoning for Omega (the guy who butchered 75% of all sentient life in his source material) being the god of Robotic Psycho Path.

In regards to Sub Zero, he's supposed to be amongst the strongest of Earthrealm's mortal defenders, yet he suffered the stupidest of the deaths (killed by being punched three times despite both having body armor and Cage's beat down looking far worse yet he lived). Kabal's is pretty stupid too, being stabbed in the upper left pectoral (based on trajectory calculations on the size of the shoe) by a shoe. If my anatomical knowledge is up to date, there are no vitals there, with the point of impact missing the lungs and being way off both the carotid artery and jugular vein.

Edited Quan Chi to make more objective. Speaking of him, I think I might have yet another idea for a replacement. Super Boy Prime. I don't know enough about the DC universe to make a good profile, but from what I've read, he's both reviled by the fans and an infamous Villain Sue.
Megafighter3
01:51:25 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Superboy Prime has redeemed himself in recent years, though. Especially in Blackest Night. Looking at Sindel, she might be more fitting for being a Fallen than a Disgraced.
ChrisX
03:09:20 PM Nov 14th 2011
Yes, we know, but let us not forget all the buildups in pre-9. Raiden might try to 'retcon' that by sending a message to the past, but it doesn't mean it has to be killed from our hearts. Otherwise, we would've removed Sub-Zero from the main Pantheon and put him in Fallen. We didn't, right?

Try to consider Sindel was like before Armageddon. Remember that before 9, she was good and if it wasn't for the timeline interference, she would've pulled a Heel-Face Turn like usual. I don't think her good self vanish just like that. And I say that she would've fitted in the Disgraces IF she would've done that without Shang Tsung's empowering. Since she didn't and required such thing, I don't think she fits.

And seriously, Quan Chi has MORE portfolio than Villain Sue. Is this how you say 'objective'?
magnum12
03:14:18 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by magnum12
In terms of objectivity, I refer to the redemption part. To be honest, I don't know enough of his tropes regarding ones that he is a very strong example of to do a really good job with the portfolio. All I know is that he's a pasty faced sorceror who toys with demonic power, the dead, and is an ally of the dark god Shinok. What could we add besides things related to Black Magic and necromancy?

The quest for alternate candidates for god of villain sues (The Disgraces is definately in need of a god of Villain Sues for completion sake) is proving to be very frustrating. We can't use Red Hulk because he toned down. Aizen and Naraku already have spots. Hao has story breaking powers that would objectively make him one, but lacks adequte hatred for proper placement in the disgraces. Super Boy Prime, yet another person I thought was a shoe in recently toned down. I'm starting to run out of ideas. Maybe Gary Smith or Thanos? It certainly doesn't help that the examples for Villain Sue were removed, since that was the source material I was using in the first place.

Given the evidence presented, I'm starting to agree that Sindel fits better under The Fallen than with The Disgraces. I still think she deserves the godhood spot for Cut Scene Power To The Max though.
ChrisX
06:11:36 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by ChrisX
I hope you understand further into the MK mythos rather than judging Quan Chi and Sindel solely on 9. Even so, you can treat the Arcade Story like the multiple ends in BlazBlue, they may not be counted as canon, but it paints the personality of the characters further than how the Story mode gave it. I think Sindel should've been a follower of either Millia Rage or Black Bolt, though if it is Fallen, it's fitting as well (seeing that Raiden is also there).

After the hype of BlazBlue died down, I think there were many to clamor that Terumi would fit in, however, we gotta do something on his overwhelming fandom. If necessary, I would try to stir up something in the Tales of Alliance to make Terumi eventually fall to the Disgraces, but... well what do you think?

By the way, I edited Quan Chi further.
magnum12
08:54:30 PM Nov 14th 2011
Much of my understanding of the MK mythos is from MK 1-3 and 5. I didn't really play 4, 6-8 that much as I thought they weren't as good as the other ones. 9 on the other hand (barring the last 2 chapters of Story mode) was the most fun I've had with MK in a decade. The Quan Chi edit is great. As much as he's on there, I personally thought the leg ripper was darkly funny.

As for Terumi, he fits all too well as the god of trolling. Who could possibly replace him? The only people I could think of in terms of good lulzy trolling are Etna (especially in the first two games she was really good at pressing people's buttons for lulz) usurping the portfolio and maybe Fenrich (also a good manipulative trouble making troll) where you could tell he was about to troll someone (by pressing their buttons or causing trouble for them, especially Axel) when he made certain facial expressions in his portrait or sprites.
ChrisX
09:09:33 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by ChrisX
Izaya Orihara? Though the Terumi pro-fanbase is pretty huge, surpassing Quan Chi's, so it may be more troublesome to put Terumi in. But he shared the same portfolio with Izaya.

For the moment, I guess Quan Chi can stay, putting Terumi in the Disgraces can be troublesome especially when he's got so many fans.

And about the MK mythos, you'll need to at least know the story, even if you don't play it. The MK wiki can help you, at least.
magnum12
10:48:44 PM Nov 14th 2011
Bingo. Think I found someone to replace Quan Chi. I present to the Court of the Gods, Gary Smith. This guy is a villain who is not particularlly well liked by the Bully fandom because his plots required copious and consistent amounts of the Idiot Ball by the rest of the cast to succeed. Not to mention how everything always perfectly went his way until the very end.

With an adequet replacement, we can give Mr. Pasty a proper posistion in the pantheon. Me thinks a posistion as the God of Black Magic or something like that.
ChrisX
11:55:25 PM Nov 14th 2011
No. We already have Marisa Kirisame in the House of Magic, and soon a Lady of Black Magic will accompany, and they fit better than Quan Chi. If Gary does fit to be the replacement, Quan Chi can be removed from the Pantheon. In a way, that's still a step-up, because it's to become 'unassuming citizen', which is a better way than Disgraces.
magnum12
05:53:38 PM Nov 15th 2011
edited by magnum12
There is a major problem with Marisa Kirisame being the goddess of Black Magic. The trope she represents is Black Magician Girl. Black Magician Girl and their older counterpart Lady of Black Magic are forms of the Black Mage, which use the Final Fantasy definition of "Black Magic". That definition is merely offensive spell casting, more akin to the evocation school of magic from Dungeons & Dragons.

The trope Black Magic specifically refers to unholy, evil, blasphemous spells that toy with demonic power or animate the dead, which is the power used by Shang Tsun or Quan Chi. This is the type of magic I refer to when suggesting Quan Chi as God of Black Magic.

Edit: Fixed the title to match the trope and prevent confusion with the trope I was talking about.
ChrisX
06:22:32 PM Nov 15th 2011
Better discuss about it in the Magic Pantheon.
ChrisX
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11:23:44 PM Nov 13th 2011
Ronan Beelzub. Does he deserve a portfolio here in Disgraces, or is he better off as Ebony's follower?
Megafighter3
01:47:35 PM Nov 14th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Actually, now that I think about it, I think Ronan might be able to steal the throne from Oscar as God of Horrifying Erotica. Maybe something like this.

Ronan Beelzub, God of Horrifying Erotica

It's not perfect, but it's what I got so far.
magnum12
05:56:35 PM Nov 15th 2011
What about manogirl. Anyone who's read Squad Broken or One Night in the Swamp should know just what kind of horrors she writes.
ChrisX
06:23:59 PM Nov 15th 2011
I had hoped that Portfolio should be more than just 1 trope...
Megafighter3
06:38:41 PM Nov 15th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
There, added a few more Tropes.
Megafighter3
09:27:01 AM Nov 17th 2011
So, should we bring Ronan in?
ChrisX
05:57:15 PM Nov 17th 2011
Try to fill in his tropes first and we'll see how it goes.
Megafighter3
06:24:26 PM Nov 17th 2011
Added a few more.
ChrisX
09:25:15 PM Nov 17th 2011
Are you sure he can won over Eragon? Also I think putting him sealed EVEN AMONGST THE DISGRACES would be... too much, don't you think? I think he can be put on the same level as Enoby.
Megafighter3
09:28:59 PM Nov 17th 2011
I'm mostly going by... well, I guess what'd you call canon, where his soul was sealed away in chapter 70. But if you want, we can have him freed.
ChrisX
10:06:54 PM Nov 17th 2011
Freed, but by the rule of disgraces, he'd still be depowered so he can't do much. Just so for his punishment of Canon... defilement and such. That'd be fair, yes?
Megafighter3
10:30:30 PM Nov 17th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Yep. So now for his position.
Megafighter3
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12:07:25 AM Nov 12th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Should we consider using the events of Fate/hollow ataraxia as the basis for Shinji's redemption, or should we wait for a full Fan Translation?
ChrisX
08:04:11 PM Nov 12th 2011
Why do you always think some Disgraces needs to get out? Shinji belongs here as everyone are disgusted at her. Fate/hollow ataraxia are mostly considered not very canon and regardless, Shinji is still a jerk over there (only toned down because the story is supposed to be Lighter and Softer).

So no. Not enough.
Megafighter3
03:42:16 PM Nov 16th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Alright then. I won't bring anything from Fate/EXTRA to the table, because 1. That's not even an actual sequel and 2. It's a not even the same kind of Shinji.
DKN117
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08:37:37 PM Nov 11th 2011
I hereby nominate Prince Blueblood as the God of (Insert witty title equivalent of "Prince Charmless" trope here).
ChrisX
09:43:00 PM Nov 11th 2011
There sure is a lot of love for My Little Pony these days, buut if they deserve it, why not. Haven't watched it to make a sound judgment though.
Megafighter3
11:58:22 PM Nov 11th 2011
The Disgraces are more about hatred by the viewer rather than hatred by the character. Prince Blueblood is generally considered hilarious by fans for being a Prince Charmless. So i vote against it.
magnum12
06:11:21 PM Nov 12th 2011
Why not use Prince Charmles as the good of Prince Charmless? He's a major scrappy in the series as he's an unlikeable pompous asshat. Its even his inverse nick name (he may even be the Trope Namer).
redjirachi
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12:15:50 AM Nov 9th 2011
One question: who is THE most hated Disgrace, period. We should figure that out.
magnum12
10:20:38 PM Dec 13th 2011
Probably either Makoto or CWC.
LeoniteRider
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09:38:36 AM Nov 2nd 2011
In regards to Matt Wards redemption chances, someone should probabyl strike Necrons from the list, they're only etting they're second codex, stuff is bound to change radically, and people will call it shitty regardless.
magnum12
08:03:26 AM Nov 6th 2011
Being the one who put him there, I shall make a bit of commentary on the situation.

1. Rules wise, the Necron codex apparently turned out REALLY good for the most part, being about Dark Eldar power level.

2. Fluff wise, the book is Love It or Hate It, which is a step up from the normal lore rape.
Megafighter3
topic
01:56:24 PM Nov 1st 2011
So, I'm thinking of pulling a Ret Gone as part of Silver's task. Any Disgraces here that we can get rid of without doing serious damage?
Megafighter3
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12:20:48 AM Oct 12th 2011
I'm just gonna say it, after the Family Guy episode "Seahorse Seashell Party", Peter and Brian deserve NOTHING in terms of redemption, what good they've done in any season has pretty much been negated.
Megafighter3
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06:15:50 PM Oct 9th 2011
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Megafighter3
topic
04:00:26 PM Oct 7th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
We already have Looten Plunder as the God of Corporate Corruption. Do we really need the RIAA here? Not that I don't think they deserve it, but I think it's a little excessive.
Megafighter3
11:53:45 AM Dec 25th 2011
Adding to that, the RIAA were recently found to have someone in their offices pirating episodes of Dexter. I think that'd be a useful tool for moving one of the Disgraces out and, if not getting rid of the RIAA, at least destroying their position as head of the organized crime syndicate.
Megafighter3
02:18:55 PM Dec 31st 2011
edited by Megafighter3
And now they're suing Limewire for $75 trillion, which is more than the world GDP ($62 trillion) meanign they're wanting more money than exists in the world.

To sum up, Roscoe brings incriminating data to the Court of the Gods in exchange for a spot in Prugatory. The Court brings in the RIAA, who try to countersue for more money than there is in the Pantheon. They attempt to have Jack Thompson represent them, but Thompson opts to return to the mortal world than try to represent them. RIAA loses and their position as head of the Marysuetopia Crime Syndicate crumbles, with Eliza buying them out and having them act as her collection agents.
benjpalmer
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12:01:58 PM Sep 29th 2011
Several people have pointed out that many Tropers seem to have a irrational hatred of Eragon. I think that's struck here.
Megafighter3
02:00:15 PM Oct 9th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Well, now we have to see how things go with Inheritance, now that's it's been released. If things go right, he'll be allowed to leave.
EvaUnit01
06:52:42 AM Mar 14th 2012
I haven't gotten around to reading it yet, but overall I think that being the God of Marty-Stus is a bit much. From the first three, I'd say he generally fits a lot better as "God of Protagonist-Centered Morality".
Rpgingmaster
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12:00:17 PM Aug 25th 2011
edited by Rpgingmaster
Is Gonterman still so bad he belongs here? True, he will probably never be able to get anywhere near the Sailor Moon fandom (and few others) without arousing intense hatred IRL, but still I say he should be promoted out of the Disgraces, mostly because from what I know, he's fallen on his sword, become a pretty decent guy, and even he was appalled at Chris Weston Chandler.

Besides, even though he did to Sailor Moon what mangogirl did to Warhammer 40k, at least he had the decency to feel remorse for it and apologize.

That said, in regards to what was mentioned about CWC's alignment in an earlier post, I would argue he sees himself as Lawful Good (seriously, read his portrayal of himself in Sonichu) but he's really deluded (a la Rose Potter) and Neutral Evil.
Rpgingmaster
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12:00:15 PM Aug 25th 2011
Is Gonterman still so bad he belongs here? True, he will probably never be able to get anywhere near the Sailor Moon fandom (and few others) without arousing intense hatred IRL, but still I say he should be promoted out of the Disgraces, mostly because from what I know, he's fallen on his sword, become a pretty decent guy, and even he was appalled at Chris Weston Chandler.

Besides, even though he did to Sailor Moon what mangogirl did to Warhammer 40k, at least he had the decency to feel remorse for it and apologize.

T
Rpgingmaster
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12:00:13 PM Aug 25th 2011
Is Gonterman still so bad he belongs here? True, he will probably never be able to get anywhere near the Sailor Moon fandom (and few others) without arousing intense hatred IRL, but still I say he should be promoted out of the Disgraces, mostly because from what I know, he's fallen on his sword, become a pretty decent guy, and even he was appalled at Chris Weston Chandler.

Besides, even though he did to Sailor Moon what mangogirl did to Warhammer 40k, at least he had the decency to feel remorse for it and apologize.

T
ChrisX
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04:07:11 PM Aug 19th 2011
The Devil May Cry reboot hate is getting enormous you just can't help but think that Ninja Theory's chief design Tameem Antoniades might have a shot here for what he did to Dante. Which portfolio shall fit him?
thatdude
07:49:14 PM Apr 27th 2012
I think we should wait until the actual game comes out to make a profile on him.
SaintDeltora
06:07:53 AM Aug 19th 2012
wait until the game is released, if it sucks really hard you can put him here.
ChrisX
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01:46:37 AM Jul 21st 2011
edited by ChrisX
-sigh- How was it that Quan Chi is suddenly lifted from Villain Sue-dom. Yes, he might be one, but I don't think he's one to warrant godhood. As in, does ANYONE FORGOT that he was very less-sue-ish before the reboot and he was actually liked as a villain and has one of the most awesome Fatality ever (beat your enemy with their ripped leg)?

I think you're rushing too much in declaring godhood and the portfolio seems to be more like someone completely butthurt on his status. I mean, if I'm that way, I would put Terumi as one of the Disgraces and give him bad portfolio (hell, I can argue he's a worse Villain Sue than Quan Chi since right off his debut he becomes Villain Sue-ish while Quan Chi spends decades and generations not being a Villain Sue, that qualities only appear in the recent times)... but I don't.

Let's have our say about Quan Chi here.
magnum12
07:49:52 PM Aug 10th 2011
While Terumi is certainly one, he tends to get a pass because he's just that funny about everything he does (doesn't help that his voice acting is top notch). Besides, we all know he's a dead man walking as events in the true ending reveal that Bang's Nox can kill the Boundary and nullify other Noxes. This hurts Terumi because The Boundary functions like his pylatrachy (what a lich uses to keep coming back after you destroy their body).

Red Hulk has actually been toned down a lot over the years, removing some of his sueish tendencies.

Quan Chi is the opposite of Red Hulk. He already had some sueish tendancies before MK 9, but MK 9 took thoe tendancies and exploded them, including retconning nearly every event of the trilogy so that he did it. This also had the effect of making Shang Tsun seem ineffectual. As of now, the only characters I can think of that would be optimal candidates for this posistion would have to be Hao (Shaman King) and modern day Quan-Chi.

He wasn't the only character who's popularity took a big hit during the reboot. Poor, poor Sindel, especially after THAT scene (you know the one). As a result of such an extreme example, she is a potential candidate for a posistion for goddess of cut scene power.
ChrisX
12:48:59 AM Aug 11th 2011
edited by ChrisX
I've yet to see how people explode on how Quan Chi was treated, he was still treated well amongst the fandom, though he's still got some Sue-ish traits. However, I'm seeing more people screaming for rage on Sindel's turf rather than Quan Chi's so I'm not quite sure if his disgracing was justified.

At least, Shang Tsung's position still stood strong in the Pantheon.

Also Terumi HAS claimed that even if Bang has 'it' (the Rettenjou) he can't still beat Terumi. And you know how much Terumi avoids lying. But I'm not quite sure if Terumi counts as funny. It's a strong case of YMMV... because some people (like me) found him just as irritating as how you think Quan Chi was irritating, but maybe that just lies on the overhyping Terumi enjoys than Quan Chi.
magnum12
05:50:56 PM Aug 11th 2011
Destroying the Boundary doesn't kill Terumi, but it still puts some holes in his plans. You don't kill a lich when you destroy a pylatrachy, you do however give him a MAJOR set back. The set back is that you destroy his ability to come back, meaning that the next time the lich is killed, he's gone for good. How funny you find Terumi depends on how much you like Troll humor. If you find his trolling funny (like many BlazBlue fans do), then he's hilarious. If not, then he's not funny.

Who do you think would be a better candidate for god of villain sues, a more consistent level of suedom (Hao), or one with one massive burst of suedom (post MK 9 Quan Chi)?
ChrisX
09:42:53 PM Aug 11th 2011
edited by ChrisX
Well I'm probably more ticked on how people overhype Terumi, and I have no fond things to Trolls in generals (but I do acknowledge him being a great Trolling God).

I do not know much about Hao or Shaman King so I cannot vouch for him for the moment. But Quan Chi should only keep his place if you can show me places where post-9 Quan Chi is extremely reviled.
magnum12
11:35:59 PM Aug 11th 2011
Hao is considered a sue because of having some extreme story breaking powers. Despite being one, he tends to avoid being hated by the fandom.

Found some more suitable candidates. We have Sosuke Aizen and Naraku. The later is infamous for New Powers as the Plot Demands, often via an Ass Pull.
ChrisX
12:10:41 AM Aug 12th 2011
However, Aizen has been designated as one of the non-Disgraced Gods. While Naraku is already designated for... well, Fillers.
ChrisX
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03:04:49 AM Mar 20th 2011
Who's this thing handing out Redemption Tickets?
ChrisX
07:27:33 PM Jun 23rd 2011
Well it's been months and nothing came out from the Redemption Tickets. Shall we put the Disgraces back to their proper place?
SchizoTechnician
07:28:11 PM Jun 23rd 2011
Aye.
ChrisX
11:16:06 PM Jun 23rd 2011
Done. No hard feelings, Megafighter, but this just goes nowhere
Megafighter3
10:59:28 AM Oct 6th 2011
None taken. I've cleaned up a few missed spots for you guys.
Anaheyla
topic
10:02:33 PM Mar 10th 2011
What, no Red Hulk? God of Villain Sues?
ccoa
moderator
topic
05:54:39 AM Mar 10th 2011
edited by ccoa
Just a thought, but should real people really be on here? Other pages on the wiki have been cut or locked for less.
Megafighter3
08:07:20 PM Jan 18th 2012
Eh, it seems fine for now. If we get more votes against it, we'll cut them out.
FireYoshi
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12:38:06 PM Nov 28th 2010
How about [[Twilight Renesmee Cullen]] as Goddess of the Children of Mary Sues?
  • Symbol: Either a baby bottle filled with blood or her own, shiny face.
  • Alignment: I dunno, True Neutral? She doesn't do much apart from being "amazing".
  • Portfolio: MindRape, Derailing Love Interests, Pedophilia, Extremely Unfortunate Names, Creepy Children, Wesley-shilling, Breaking MagicAIsMagicA, [[SORAS sanity-breakingly fast aging]], Nightmare Fuel
  • Followers: Link Jr (My Inner Life), all Sue Children, ever.
AnonFangeekGirl
11:56:05 AM Nov 26th 2013
Megafighter3
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09:28:24 AM Aug 18th 2010
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LeoniteRider
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06:18:37 AM Aug 13th 2010
I would like to request that Silver be removed from the disgraces, while he may not have many of them Silver does have fans, and is paired with Amy a few times. He also participated in a not-so terrible game (The Rivals series) and was actually a badass the first time he appeared in Archie comics by taking on Scourge with the other hedgehogs.

Oh yes, and he made a cameo in Brawl, which has to count for something
ChrisX
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06:50:17 AM Jul 21st 2010
After that one fiasco between That Guy with the Glasses and Theroommovies.com... I'm kinda tempted to put the guy who put down NC's The Room review into the disgraces. But which one should get the position? 'John' or Tommy Wiseau? (Well I kinda doubt it because NC spoofs him affectionally unlike 'John')
SchizoTechnician
06:52:03 AM Jul 21st 2010
Definitely 'John'. NC makes it abundantly Clear that Wisseau had no problems with what he did, it was the management, aka 'John', who was the villain.
ChrisX
07:13:22 AM Jul 21st 2010
Okay, now let's try thinking about a title befitting him...
203.177.74.139
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09:02:48 PM Jun 13th 2010
Shouldn't CWC be Neutral Evil?
schism
06:33:00 PM Jun 29th 2010
He doesn't really fit into any alignment. Half the time, he's purely selfish, the other half, nothing he does makes any sense by any metric. The only certainty is what he is not: Lawful and Good.
24.59.155.191
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06:52:31 PM Jun 9th 2010
Alright, why the hate for the Ultramarines? Are they just too bland?
Iaculus
07:00:03 PM Jun 9th 2010
edited by Iaculus
Serious-Shilling The Wesley-on-the-part-of-GW.
24.59.155.191
04:50:43 PM Jun 10th 2010
edited by Megafighter3
Really? Been reading the writings of Graham McNeill, they seem pretty reasonable. Did the new edition sue-ify them or something?
LeoniteRider
08:31:02 PM Jul 20th 2010
No, it's just that the majority of players view them as being a bit Sueish, given that they are supposed to be the strictest followers of the Codex Astartes, but the fact that they diverge quite a bit from it with the Honor Guard and the Tyrannic Veterans. Not to mention how many victories/heroic sacrifices they've made, and the fact that they have founded the most succesor chapters.

The Black Library books are usually non-canon unfortionately, with a few exceptions in the special characters that are made from the books.
magnum12
01:25:27 PM Oct 10th 2011
Not even on the part of GW. That would be Matt Ward's fault.
sanfranman91
09:13:02 AM Jul 14th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
Nevermind this comment; mistaken it for new topic :P
Tehrannotaur
09:45:49 PM Oct 1st 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
Likely to be Creator's Pet.
sanfranman91
01:58:32 AM Feb 3rd 2014
edited by 148.85.235.246
EDIT: Error in request. See latest entry.
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