This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Describe Disgraces Discussion here.
Fading Echo: Would y'all consider God of Failed Badasses worthy of a position here? I'm specifically thinking of a character from a setting overflowing with badasses who goes the extra mile to earn badass points... and in that extra mile, falls flat as a Boring Invincible Hero. Don't know if it's a common enough problem to warrant mention.
Peteman: Can someone familiar with Ayn Rand do the John Galt section? Also, someone who is familiar with Tokyo Mew Mew to handle Berry?
Willy Four Eyes: We should also have someone (a brave soul) write something for the Sword of Truth books...red links are bad, mmkay?
Jisu: Took care of Berii ("Berry" only if she's transformedor you're reading the Tokyopop version) for you.
Willy Four Eyes: Someone had to be an antithesis to Phoenix Wright, so naturally I had to put Jack Thompson on this list. Objections?
Peteman: You should mention that his disciple: Cooper Lawrence, made a bid for his
position with the Mass Effect Controversy. [1]
That Other 1 Dude: Who the hell is Oscar Alfonso?
CC 13: Oscar Alfonso is the author of "Artemis's Lover," a notoriously sickening Sailor Moon hentai fanfic. If you don't already know, you should just take my word for it, but if you must, here's a link an MST of it: http://www.nabiki.com/mst/megane67/mst/oscarfic/al67.html
The Toon Geekette: Added Ebony Whatshername from the infamous Harry Potter fanfiction "My Immortal" as the Goddess of Awful Fanfiction. Any objections?
Sparkysharps: I'm wondering if I should put in Edward and Bella as the God and Goddess of Bad Romances (or similar. The Red String Stranglers, maybe?), though I don't know if that would cause too much backlash. Maybe Padime and Anakin instead.
Willy Four Eyes: Sorry. Anthony Caine already holds that position. :(
Rebochan: I'm sorry, is there any point to this trope besides Complaining About Shows You Dont Like? There's no real standards on display here except that whoever adds an entry just really hates their target.
Hey now, Raiden doesn't have Super Drowning Skills. He's quite good at swimming, really.
The "Johnny Turbo" link is broken. —Document N
Chris X: I saw this video
about Joel Schumacher apologizing for the creation of Batman And Robin. Do you think that's going to warrant him being pulled out of the Disgraces? I could turn this into one of the elements of the Pantheon Tales.
Since TV Tropes hates Shinji Ikari, can we make him God of Tangification?
Trope Kira: No one hates him. He's one of the WMG Gods. Also, Teh Warsmith, why did you remove Marneus Calgar? Are you planning on moving him to Purgagtory? If not, put him back.
Sabre Justice: Although this page does mostly consist of Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, the main pages are mostly Gushing Over Shows You Like so it's only fair. While we're at it, I'm trying to help make the page a bit more coherent and connected, Mary Suetopia is becoming morbidly fascinating.
Trope Kira: Yes, I'm quite proud of the work that we're putting into it, especially me. Well, 5 more people need positions.
Sabre Justice: Y'know, 'Mary Sue Wars' have to be done carefully to be interesting, but I think these guys just might be the next big threat to the Pantheon. Once there's 13 Knights, we may be cooking with gas.
Sabre Justice: Alright, *gulps Pepsi* first stage of Operation Axe To The Face (I suck with names, so sue me) is commencing: Sorting out this mess into the Court of Mary Suetopia! AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
Sabre Justice: Well as usual I got ahead of myself, skipping the first stage to get to the second stage: The prophecy in the Book of Trope. At least that gives us a plan: We need Thirteen Knights, three mages (we can cram them into the structure) and a partridge in a pear tree and Wesley to fulfill the minimum terms of the prophecy. Stage Three will consist of rewriting the introduction to this page. I'll post a rewrite here first for critique and editing.
Peteman: We need a God of Designated Heroes in this section, preferably of high WB (Wall Banger) level. Help increase our Knight count.
Sabre Justice: Eragon could easily count but any excuse for an extra Knight is good by me. I'll check the page for the most egregious example.
Peteman: I'm looking at the Jurassic Park Lost World example right now.
Sabre Justice: I'm more interested in Puma Man.
Peteman: Also, maybe they should gang-press under qualified people. Or have Djibril brainwash Makoto Ito, Kotonoha Katsura and Sekai Saionji into the positions. It's both evil and stupid.
Sabre Justice: I like it. But you'd better at least link to where those people come from because I can't keep up with anime nowadays. In the meantime, I'll organise the existing characters and add Puma Man when I'm finished- while the cast of The Lost World probably deserve it more, Pumaman is more interesting.
Peteman: They're in here, they're the ones currently listed as Relationship Advisers and they're famous for their incredibly stupid behaviour involving a Love Triangle that resulted two of them getting brutally murdered and the last quite possibly starving to death on a boat.
Sabre Justice: All you had to do was link School Days. And I don't really think they make good Knights; they don't have any combat prowess. Most of the Knights are supposed badasses or at least in the case of Rahl write stories about them, while I don't think School Days is particularly action-packed. Let's call 'em placeholders for now.
Peteman: The whole point is to put dangerously underqualified people into these positions. Still, if you don't think it fits, feel free to edit.
Sabre Justice: Hm, I think I like the idea better after reading the bio of the god responsible. Still, if we find someone better they're out.
Sabre Justice: We need an Anti-Sue god while we're here, I don't think I spotted one. Either Ethan or Bella might do. Maybe Ethan can be Wesley's assistant.
Peteman: Either one will do. I guess Ethan works since Bella graduates to full Mary Sue status by the end of the series.
Sabre Justice: Okay, Operation Axe To The Face Stage Three: rewriting the intro. I might just be on enough caffiene to get this done so bear with me...
(most of the intro is the same as before)
There's good gods, there's bad gods, and then there's these gods...
There are those who have ascended to the Tropes Pantheon, but for all the wrong reasons. Some are too perfect to be true, impossible to like or undeservedly hogging the spotlight. There's the irredeemably stupid, the total jerks, and those who gave the world 'creative' works that never should have seen the light of day. Reaching unprecedented levels of notoriety, ill-deserved fame or hate turns these wretched creatures into twisted reflections of the true Pantheon.
Normally, those who ascend this war are quickly judged in the Court of the Gods, and given a sentence even worse than demotion to The Fallen. Banished from the Pantheon and kicked out of the gates (although the more dignified Disgraces are allowed to walk), they are left to wander the wastelands, until they discover some chance at redemption. At least that's how it used to be.
Several of the first gods eventually agreed to form an alliance, pushing their territories together to form the kingdom of Mary Suetopia. And under the iron-fisted rule of King Eragon and Queen Berii, their Kingdom has grown to become a shiny, advanced paradise, where nothing is wanted for, and each god twists their territory into their own vision of utopia. Through promises of territory, power and vengeance, increasing numbers of the gods have sworn loyalty to the royalty, becoming the Court of Perfection and the Thirteen Knights of Mary Suetopia. And that's not all- their numbers are growing, scraping the bottom of the barrel of bad Fan Fiction, the targets of snark and other things that most of the world would rather forget.
They're far from the most unified bunch, prone to rivalry, infighting and getting on each others' nerves (though it's not like the other Houses can talk), but their combined vanity, lack of allies and thirst for revenge on the true Pantheon unites them. They're rising in prominence as enemies of the alliances of both Good and Evil, although some say the presence of such gods as Gilligan, and the inherent failure that they have in common dooms them to failure no matter how hard they try. It's not like you'll ever get most of them to admit it, but still.
Sabre Justice: ...I'll take your lack of response as approval. The current intro is mostly outdated Continuity Porn anyway.
Chris X: I'm moving KOS-MOS into the Purgatory. The reactions towards her are generally positive and most of the complaints on Xenosaga is directed at... Shion. You will need to have massive negative reactions to be in the Disgraces, but for the most part, the positive reactions towards KOS-MOS have been overshadowing her negative reactions, and even this wiki has loosened up to her. Of course, should you disagree, leave your reasoning and debate here and put her back here. Thank you.
Joysweeper: I'm not happy with Mara Jade being here. She's awesome in all the right ways. Corran could take her spot and have all the same caveats attached.
Sabre Justice: I can work that into Operation ATTF- I saw from her entry that she doesn't entirely deserve to be here, she may betray the Disgraces and gain redemption. Now stop stealing my knights before they have a chance to charge! Speaking of Knights, I've come up with another perfect candidate, whom I have a personal grudge against...
Peteman: Hey maybe we can have a God of Jerk Sue? Like Brew from Shredded Moose. Also, I'd like to add The Alien Space Bat, god of bullshit Alternate History.
Sabre Justice: Good idea. I think Brew would be a perfect candidate... someone to make even Ethan look good. And I dunno, I'm fond of alien space bats, they can be funny. The Disgraces are mainly for tropes that the world would be better off without.
Peteman: Perhaps it could be the original Alien Space Bat, the one referred to in its original definition by Alison Brooks.
Sabre Justice: I'm considering working Bladevash into this, although he's so ridiculously powerful that I've pretty sure even the rest of the Disgraces would be flat fucking terrified of him. Hmm, perhaps he can be their trump card...
...hehehe...hahahaMUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
On another note, I can't find a Villain Sue either. Hm, Red Hulk looks perfect for it. Or Superboy-Prime...
Peteman: I think Red Hulk works better. As for Bladevash, given that the story was never meant to be released online, I think it would be better not to bring it in.
Sabre Justice: Oh, he was never meant to be unleashed either...
Peteman: No, I mean that it shouldn't be referenced. Give the guy a break. I feel a bit bad for the writer of The Eye Of Argon.
Sabre Justice: You're no fun. I came up with the most awesome idea to escalate the story from epic into legendary. On another note, I finally decided on a third Mage... another Harry Potter one but hey, it's a rich well.
Peteman: I will point out that I am merely stating my opinion of the situation.
Sabre Justice: Well trust me, when I finish it (and I WILL finish it dammit), you'll love it.
Trope Kira: Okay, guys, I know that the idea well and cocaine pile run dry sometimes, but the School Days characters as the last 3 Knights? Come on! We can find better! Well, at least you gave a good reason for why.
Sabre Justice: Well, Red Hulk could fit another spot as a Villain Sue, but I'm not sure who else to put on there. As long as there's still 13 Knights I can get on with my story, I'll leave it up to you guys... unless I get a sudden idea. I'm like that.
Peteman: It's part of the joke, putting those three dementedly underqualified people as the last three knights.
Sabre Justice: Shakeups can wait til later, after all at least one Knight is gonna betray the rest (guess who) and a few will probably try and pull a Starscream.
Peteman: What about a god of Boring Invincible Villain. Or a god of Copy Cat Sues?
Sabre Justice: Just a heads up; Operation Axe To The Face is go! I'll try to update with one episode a day or so, but I can't guarantee a lack of Schedule Slip, or suddenly writing five chapters in one night. Either way I will finish it one way or another.
If you've got some ideas for what you'd like to see some characters doing, for CDJ's sake tell me because I have no idea what to do with several characters.
Chris X: I'm probably too late of this, but I thought that both Lolly and Menolly from Bleach could fit well as two of the Knights of Mary Suetopia, as the Goddesses of ungratefulness. It's too bad Makoto, Kotonoha and Sekai have been shoehorned to the position... wait a second... I think this'll fit very well to the story, and their position.
Peteman: I think Christian Weston Chandler should overtake Gonterman as God of Egotism. Not so much a redemption, more a usurpation (though his disavowment of his earlier work may weaken him enough for that to happen)
Stealthyboy: Funny you should mention that, I recently put this up on the Sonichu Discussion Page. I've edited it a bit since then, does anyone think this could go in the disgraces?
Christian Weston Chandler, God of Bile Fascination (CWC, Chris-Chan Sonichu, Ian Brandon Anderson)
- Quasideity that thinks he's an Overdeity
- Symbol: His Sonichu Medallion
- Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
- Portfolio: Comics that are unreadable but that you can't stop coming back to, Using narrative to prove his righteousness
- Domains: Animal, Envy, Hatred, Lust, Pestilence, Sloth
- Rival with David Gonterman for all his portfolios.
- Other enemies: '4-Cent Garbage', Sonic The Hedgehog, Pikachu, Anyone in the House of Justice for being Jerkops.
- Chris-Chan used to spend his days lurking in the House of Love but was banned. Ever since then he has sworn revenge by drawing them getting beaten up by him
- Position: None. Apparently the other Disgraces keep him around so they can look good in comparison.
- Chance of Redemption: Slim to none.
- josh6243: Yes, I think he does. Do you mind if I put him in?
Peteman: Do it.
Stealthyboy: Done and done.
Umiyuri Papaeyra: Hey, even Silver has fans, you know. >_> And he has much better writers outside of canon who can definitely redeem him, especially the Archie comics. Is it really fair to put him here?
(Also, he wasn't dropped from the games at all. He's still in them in cameos and in the Rivals series, making the note that he was dropped as soon as he was picked up entirely inaccurate and 'wishful' thinking.)
Yamiblade: Who ever tossed Brian in here has made the best decision ever.
