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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#78376: Mar 5th 2017 at 3:55:34 PM

  • Ajin: Sato(u), real name Samuel T. O'Brian, is an Ajin terrorist. Charismatic, remorseless, and loving violence, Satou kills indiscriminately and commits atrocities for the thrill of death and combat, all the while claiming to be an Ajin liberator to gather followers and disguise his intentions. His first attack was to kill an Ajin-abusing CEO by toppling a building into his company headquarters, and then, just for fun, he went in with the building and killed his way out of the defending police special units. His second attack was to assassinate 15 government and corporation officials involved with Ajin abuse, personally killing his targets gruesomely and not sparing anyone standing in his way. His final attack was to steal 20 units of nerve gas from his last target's company headquarters, take over a JSDF base, arm missiles with the gas, and demand the Japanese government to submit Japan to Ajin rule within one week, or else he will use them to completely exterminate Japan. When the Japanese government compromises some islands for Ajin self-governance, Satou rejects the offer and prematurely launches a missile at the Prime Minister's office, before reiterating his ultimatum of wanting full control over Japan. This act, killing an untold number of innocents in a massive radius, shocks even his subordinates, making them question Satou's motives and eventually desert him as he reveals his true motivations to them. In addition, in his confrontations with anti heroic Ajin Nagai Kei throughout the story, he had always pleasantly stated his intention to chop Kei's head off, making Kei experience "death", and he is also willing to kill people Kei had cared about in front of his eyes to torment Kei for opposing him.
  • Stitched: Emad Homayoun, the first Arc Villain, is a human trafficker who deals with the cult creating the titular Stitched. Homayoun is more than compliant with the process for creating the Stitched— pouring a black liquid into a man's orifices and then sewing all of them closed, in the process trapping the man's conscious soul in a state of undeath while the body becomes a mindless shell— and uses the Stitched as shock soldiers to regularly massacre entire villages. The survivors are kept captive by Homayoun's traffickers, the women and children sold to become sex slaves and the men to be converted into more Stitched. Any who Homayoun has no use for or are perceived as obstacles—such as a lame child and members of the Taliban—are brutally killed. Homayoun personally disembowels one of the heroes, Twiggy, casually noting that he'd rape her as well if he weren't in such a hurry. Ultimately, it is made plainly clear that Homayoun is just as much a monster as the undead Stitched he utilizes.
  • American Vampire has these 2 dreaded creatures:
  • Steampunk, by Joe Kelly et al.: Lord Mortimer Absinthe is the tyrannical ruler of the Absinthian Empire in an alternate 1800s Europe. Once a disturbed Mad Scientist infamous for conducting grotesque experiments on animals—one of which, his pet dog, he mutilated and experimented when he was only 5 years old—the fisherman Cole Blaquesmith turned to Absinthe in a moment of desperation to cure his beloved Fiona. After Cole had retrieved knowledge from the future for Absinthe in return for curing Fiona, Absinthe spitefully lets Fiona die and tears out Cole's heart. Over a period of years with the knowledge he's cultivated, Absinthe orchestrates a murderous takeover of Europe and sets up a despotic regime where the lower-class are forced underground into incredible squalor and the tiniest hint of rebellion is killed. Absinthe perpetrates a bloody, genocidal war against France leading to colossal loss of life, sets up free slave labor in the Chasm Community—with promises to kill any slave that stops providing him labor—and in his crowning moment of evil murders a prisoner in front of one of the Vatican's agents and prepares to hand off millions of London's own populace to be killed in the Consecration Engine via having radium injected into their brains. When Cole returns from slumber in Absinthe's reign, Absinthe takes a perverse glee in mocking him about Fiona's death and hands him to his agent Nixon to be tortured, ordering Nixon to be killed when Nixon betrays him. Regularly perpetrating murder, torture, massacres, and cruel experiments in his free time, Absinthe's sardonic sense of humor and tendency for flamboyancy is only outweighed by his limitless capacity for sadism and cruelty towards everyone who does—and doesn't—oppose him.
  • At Close Range (1986): Bradford "Big Brad" Sr. starts the film by taking in his son Brad Jr. It is soon revealed Big Brad runs a criminal gang and Brad Sr. is not only a thief, but a murderer as well. Brad Jr. sees him drown a member for talking to police, and when Brad Jr. and his friends are arrested, the police hold Brad Jr. without bail to get him to give up his father. As a warning, Brad Sr. rapes his son's girlfriend, and when a grand jury subpoena is issued, kills his son's friends and even kills Tommy, his son's brother—who may or may not be his son—after Tommy pleads for his life. Putting a hit out on his own son, Brad Jr. is shot and his girlfriend Terry killed before Brad Jr finally confronts his father before testifying against him and seeing him sent to prison. A remorseless sociopath, Big Brad stops at nothing to keep himself out of trouble, no matter who he has to hurt or kill.
  • The Cell 2: The Cusp, Officer Duncan, kidnaps women and tortures them to death, repeatedly reviving them from the brink of death for more torture. His methods include suffocation, electrocution, and cutting out his victims' hearts. All the while, he records their screams and pleas for mercy. Maya Casteneda, the only person to survive his torture, was nearly killed by him six times. He is said to have killed 23 women, and he attempts to kill another woman named Penelope, torturing her to near death seven times. He frames the lead cop, Harris, for his crimes, and when he recaptures Maya, he declares that he will torture her so bad that he completely destroys her mind.
  • Last Man Standing: Hickey is the scarred enforcer of Doyle. Dreaded even among the hardened criminals forming Jericho's population, Hickey's reputation precedes him when it is revealed that Hickey, when only 10 cut his own father's throat and then, at 15, subsequently burned down the orphanage he was sent to—as well as the other children, in his own words, "burning up like candles". When Hickey makes his first on-screen appearance, Doyle immediately sets him out to capture the cousin of his hated rival Strozzi. Hickey slaughters Strozzi's men and the corrupt Mexican chief they are dealing with, then tricks the border guard into thinking he's surrendering before shooting him dead. Hickey murders more of Strozzi's men as the film progresses and personally captures John Smith overseeing his Cold-Blooded Torture with a serene expression on his face. Near the climax of the film, Hickey merrily helps in an outright massacre of Strozzi's hideout where most of his men are burned alive or shot dead, with Hickey personally gunning down Strozzi in full view of his cousin. Hickey is feared even on his own side and is every bit the walking nightmare many claim him to be.
  • Lethal Weapon 2:
    • Arjen Rudd, the greedy Minister of Foreign Affairs at the South African consulate in Los Angeles in the second film, is known for his harsh actions as part of apartheid. He is also a drug smuggler, abusing his power as a high-ranking official to serve as a front for his crimes. Several years ago, Rudd ordered the murder of Martin Riggs, a LAPD detective who was getting close to uncovering Rudd's activities, resulting in the death of Riggs's wife Victoria. At the beginning of the film, Rudd has Pieter Vorstedt execute one of his henchmen for losing a shipment of Krugerrands, then has Vorstedt threaten Roger Murtaugh, the lead detective in the case of the Krugerrands. Simultaneously, Rudd sends assassins after Leo Getz, a witness. As the LAPD gets closer to uncovering Rudd's operation, he has Vorstedt murder every police officer involved in the investigation, with the exception of Riggs and Murtaugh, then has his secretary Rika, who was in a relationship with Riggs, drowned just to spite Riggs. Rudd later shoots Riggs multiple times and then claims "diplomatic immunity". Arjen Rudd was the villain in the series who cut the deepest and crossed the most lines.
    • The aforementioned Pieter Vorstedt is the head of security for the aforementioned Arjen Rudd. Vorstedt does any hands-on villainy for Rudd, including threats and assassinations. Several years ago, Vorstedt was told to murder Detective Martin Riggs, who was getting close to uncovering Rudd's illegal activities. Vorstedt failed to kill Riggs, but killed Riggs's wife by either tampering with the brakes of the car or running her off the road. During the film, Vorstedt executes a henchman named Hans when the latter lost a shipment of Krugerrands in a car chase. Later, he and a few associates sneak into the house of Detective Roger Murtaugh, who is leading the investigation, and threatens him with death should he poke his nose into their affairs. During this time, the South Africans try to kill an informant named Leo Getz and rig Murtaugh's toilet with a bomb. Later in the film, Rudd orders Vorstedt to murder the policemen participating in the investigation, resulting in Vorstedt murdering 6 officers, getting into a small chat with one before shooting him in the head. Murtaugh manages to escape, but Riggs is captured by Vorstedt, who taunts him about the death of Riggs's wife and revealing his role in it before drowning Rudd's secretary Rika, who was in a relationship with Riggs, before trying to drown Riggs. Pieter Vorstedt is a cold-blooded, emotionless killer who doesn't care about the blood on his hands or how cruel the actions he takes are.
  • The River Wild: Wade, along with his partners Terry and Frank, are trying to make it across the river with money they robbed from a bank. When Frank, whose also their guide, proves useless due to his wounds from the robbery, Wade forces a reluctant Terry to kill him. With no guide, Wade asks Gale Weathers to help them get across. When Gale finally becomes suspicious of Wade, she and her family try to leave them behind. However Wade catches them and beats her husband Tom, attempts to kill their dog, and slaps her son Roarke for telling them he had a gun. He then uses her family to blackmail Gale into taking them across the Gauntlet, despite the risk of their lives. When her husband escapes, Wade tries to kill him, but not before taunting him about how many seconds he has to left live. After a park ranger, who is also a close friend of Gale's, catches them and discovers their plan to ride the Gauntlet, he refuses to let them, so Wade kills him and jokes about it afterwards. After Gale gets them across the Gauntlet, Wade and Terry get caught in their trap and Gale turns their gun on them. Wade begs for his life, so Gale decides to shoot the last bullet in the air out of mercy. However the gun doesn't shoot, so Wade orders Terry to kill her family, despite her sparing his life.
  • Bishop Manfroy is a Dark Priest and leader of the Loptyrian cult. Manfroy was determined to obtain revenge on the entire continent of Grannevale for forcing him to live in the desert, and thus spends years patiently paving the way for the return of the evil dragon Loptyr. Using assassination and manipulation, Manfroy creates a massive war, which initiates the chaos necessary for his plans. To create Loptyr's vessel, Manfroy kidnaps Deirdre, the wife of Sigurd, cruelly and gleefully erases all her memories of her beloved husband and son, and places her for his pawn Arvis to find, fall in love with and marry, despite the fact that she is his unknown half-sister. With his goal achieved, Manfroy awakens Loptyr in Deirdre's son Julius and sets about constructing a nightmarish dictatorship where children are sacrificed and any who resist are massacred. In the end, Manfroy, with nothing less than sadistic relish, exerts mind control over Julius's twin sister Julia to make her kill her beloved friends. In his cameo in the Interquel, Thracia 776, it is revealed that Manfroy murdered his own son-in-law, and drives his own daughter into madness. If Manfroy's granddaughter, Sara, is not recruited, Manfroy will zombify his own granddaughter into one of the Deadlords to do his bidding. Manfroy manipulated everyone around him, was cruel even to his own family, and enacted a endless regime of nightmarish suffering on the entire continent. It is clear that Manfroy has abandoned all potential good qualities solely to facilitate his own greed and personal desire for revenge.
  • Validar, the leader of the Grimleal cult and the Archnemesis Dad of Robin, desires nothing less than to bring his draconian master, Grima the Fell Dragon, into existence. Eugenically breeding his child to be an ideal vessel for the evil god, Validar's plots were initially foiled by his wife, who spirited the baby away, causing him to decide to lie low for more than a decade. He takes over the country of Plegia following the apparent demise of its ruler, King Gangrel, and promises aid to Ylisse, Plegia's traditional enemy in whose army the now-grown Robin serves, against The Empire of Valm; secretly, Validar only does this to corrupt Robin and eliminate Valm's threat to himself. Once Valm is defeated, Validar betrays Ylisse and steals its holy relic, the Fire Emblem, to use to unseal Grima. Validar takes over the minds of the majority of his country's population, forcing them to march on foot toward a Grimleal holy site and then tries to make them commit a mass suicide to offer their souls to the Fell Dragon. Throughout the game, the one human he appears to be close to is his right-hand woman Aversa, but it is eventually revealed that when she was a young girl, he massacred her family and then edited her memories to cause her to believe he had saved her life after their murders.
  • Grima himself is the self-proclaimed Fell Dragon.note  Attempting to destroy humanity with his human proxy, Grima is stopped by Naga and the First Exalt. Before his sealing, Grima created the Grimleal, a cult of madmen that worships Grima as a God—despite Grima faking being a god—and dedicates itself to eugenically creating another vessel for Grima to possess. After a thousand years, the cult eventually produced a successful vessel, Robin, but they escaped. In an alternate timeline, Grima possessed Robin, keeping his spirit conscious, so Robin is Forced to Watch Grima kill all his friends and exterminate humanity. Grima taunts survivors about killing their parents, and mocks Robin's loved ones about stealing his body. When Lucina escapes to an alternate past, Grima follows her back, taking control of the Grimleal. Grima takes control of many Plegians to make them commit a mass sacrifice to revive his past self, intending to kill the past Robin after refusing to be the vessel for the Past Grima. Omnicidal, sadistic, and uncaring about even his closest followers, Grima lives up to his title.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Prince Gihren Zabi, the franchise's first Big Bad, is the eldest son of the Zabi family; de facto dictator of the Principality of Zeon; and the franchise's original CM. A cold, Machiavellian personality who fully believes that Despotism Justifies the Means, Gihren doesn't care about anyone's lives, including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to Take Over the World. He takes being compared to Adolf Hitler as a compliment; turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror; preaches a Master Race philosophy which he doesn't buy into himself; uses a Colony Drop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population; deploys chemical weapons against the very colonies he claims to be liberating; and later blasts his own father and General Revil into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice. When his sister Kycilia, no angel herself, confronts him about what he's done, Gihren's sneeringly offhanded disregard for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow psychopath. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Side-stories involving him only add to his list of crimes—he helped Ginias Sahalin and his Apsalus Project; and arranged, through his secretary, Cecilia Irene, two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to frame Kycilia and garner public support for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an Unwitting Pawn in one of these schemes, he was rewarded by seeing his entire family, members of the anti-Zabi faction, imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren remains the standard to which Gundam's other monsters aspire to.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam SEED: The sociopathic Muruta Azrael, the Nazi-like leader of the terrorist organization Blue Cosmos, wants to kill all Coordinatorsnote  by any means necessary and takes unholy delight in their wholesale slaughter, making Rau Le Creuset seem sympathetic. Azrael believes entirely that his subordinates are expendable and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators burn. A Sore Loser and a raging hypocrite who uses drugs and brainwashing to turn children into Tyke-Bomb followers, referred to as the Extended, while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin, Azrael is also The Man Behind the Man to both the Atlantic Federation and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his Fantastic Racism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to end it the same way, and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His sole motivation is that he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid. The side-story, Mobile Suit Gundam SEED CE.73: Stargazer, adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly took children from their parents, put them through Training from Hell and brainwashed them with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the drug problems of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the CE verse can hold a candle to Azrael.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny: Lord Djibril is Azrael's successor, with all of his predecessor's Fantastic Racism and contemptibility, but none of his intelligence or charisma. Having returned Blue Cosmos to its terrorist roots, he has his minions perform horrible experiments on children, whom he then brainwashed into Child Soldiers; opens the war with a nuclear assault on the colonies; unleashes the Destroy on Eurasia—leading to the deaths of thousands, if not millions, of civilians and the burning of Berlin—personally kills over a million innocents with a Wave-Motion Gun while bragging about having the guts to do something like this; and is responsible for turning Mu La Flaga into Neo Roanoke. He exploits the tragedy of the Junius 7 Colony Drop to start another war; forms a new anti-Coordinator alliance; keeps up Azrael's horrible treatment of the Extended, using Psycho Serum addiction-with fatal withdrawal symptoms—and mental rewrites to maintain their loyalty; and continues the practice of raising kids to be the indoctrinated soldiers mentioned in Stargazer. Convinced that his own survival is paramount above all else, Djibril regularly abandons his allies when the going gets tough, and entertains plans of ruling the world when the war is over. Essentially what happens when you give someone with the personality of a low-functioning sociopath and jumped-up school bully access to unlimited resources and technology, Djibril reacts to every problem with greater and greater amounts of brute force and indiscriminate murder, as he tries to simultaneously hang onto his position of power and bring down the curtain on the Coordinators as a race. He's a combination of impotent rage and cowardice, but with the money, influence, and total immorality to make him horrifying instead of merely pathetic.
  • Matilda: Agatha Trunchbull is the headmistress of Crunchem Hall Primary School note  who rules the school with an iron fist. Shying away from illegal caning, the Trunchbull opts for more torturous methods easily dismissed by parents as wild stories. A Child Hater extraordinaire, the Trunchbull subjects the children to near-fatal punishments, her favorite being "the Chokey"—a refurnished cupboard laced with broken glass and nails. Out of greed, the Trunchbull possibly murdered her brother-in-law for the inheritance note , and violently abused her niece, Jennifer Honey, breaking her arm in a spur of rage. Unrepentant, the Trunchbull threatens to break Miss Honey's arm again when she stands up to her. A psychotic disciplinarian who prides herself with never having a childhood, the Trunchbull set the standard for sadistic teachers everywhere.
  • The Watson Girl, by Leslie Wolfe: In this Crime Novel, the Chameleon, Bradley Welsh, stands out even alongside family annihilator the Family Man as a pure evil Serial Killer. Originally discovering his sadistic nature when, as a college student, he assaulted and raped a fellow student, the Chameleon fully embraces his depraved nature after murdering his business partner's family, 3 children included, to cover up a potentially imprisoning mistake. The Chameleon goes on to murder entire families, always framing it to look like the active killer the Family Man was the perpetrator, and slowly grows into torturing and raping the women. When the Family Man is finally arrested, the Chameleon begins experimenting in various ways of killing to decide which way he enjoys best, from nailing a woman to a wall, to nearly flaying another one alive, until he finally settles for kidnapping a woman every now and then, taking her an isolated shack, then spending days raping and mutilating her until she dies. Not restricted to killing solely to get his kicks, the Chameleon beats a man to death with a crowbar for cutting him off in a parking lot, slashes the throat of an elderly woman after she sees him kill her granddaughter, and, in the end, tries to stab Tess Winnet, the lead detective on his case, to death. A chilling maniac who believes that he has every right to kill humans because he has surpassed humankind and can do whatever he pleases, the Chameleon treated each and every one of his murders as nothing but a tasty meal for him to consume, then promptly shrug off until next time.
  • Whistling in the Dark, by Lesley Kagan: Bobby Brophy is a playground counselor who, underneath his charming facade, is actually a disturbed child molester and murderer. Having kidnapped, raped, and murdered the niece of a local police officer the previous summer, Bobby returns to the neighborhood and quickly returns to his old habits. Abducting a third grader, Bobby molests the girl before strangling her to death, leaving her naked body outside for the authorities to discover. Setting his sights on his latest victim, Sally O'Malley, Bobby makes numerous attempts to kidnap her, barely failing each time. When Sally and her friend, Mary Lane, search Bobby's cabin and find evidence to incriminate him, Bobby captures her and drags her off to the lagoon where he murdered his previous victims, threatening to kill Sally's younger sister, Troo, if she does not cooperate. Once they reach the lagoon, Bobby immediately attempts to molest Sally, taunting her during the act and boasting that he will send her to join her deceased father in death.
  • Ronald Capshaw, the head of Obsidian Estates , serves as the Arc Villain of season 3's first half, where he, along with his co-conspirator Susan Hart organize a plan to rob the latter's father of his cargo train, carrying $350,000 in unclaimed bearer bonds. The plot worked but created an train accident resulting in 55 innocents dead, though Capshaw's only concerns are if he could profit from this travesty or if he might get caught. He has his accomplices in the robbery meet him in a warehouse, only to leave them to be arrested and hanged, only keeping Hart because she is an important business partner. When hearing of Edmund Reid still investigating the incident, Capshaw finds out about Reid's long-lost daughter, Mathilda, goes to her location, kills one of her caretakers, and manipulates Reid into killing the other caretaker by lying that they killed her, when the truth is that he'd had kidnapped her. He also tries to kill Mathilda himself, only for Hart to intervene and try to send her away from Whitechapel, only for her to escape from both of them. Furious, he send his men to find and kill her while he threatens to expose Hart's part in the train incident if she ever disobeys him again. Through this blackmail he forces Hart to kill Reid and nearly succeeds in doing so. While Susan Hart had plans to use the stolen money to gentrify Whitechapel and was morally appalled on what she had done, Ronald Capshaw had no such reason or remorse for any of his actions and was just a greedy sociopath more than happy to cause the deaths and misery of many if he could benefit from it all.
  • The First Templar: The Inquisitor Isaiah is one of the two leaders of the Inquisition, along with Father Lorenzo. First he kidnaps Maria and accuses her of witchcraft. In his actual first appearance, he and Father Lorenzo decide to slaughter all the prisoners. When Celian frees Maria and the prisoners, his friend Roland stays behind to fight Isaiah. It is later revealed that Isaiah tortured Roland into insanity. Later, along with King Philip IV of France, Isaiah, as the leader of the Inquisition begins massively killing and imprisoning Knights Templar. In his final appearance, Isaiah and his inquisitors arrived at one village and accused them of heresy. They hang the mayor who tried to reason with them and plan to do the same thing to all the villagers. Celian was right when he responded to villager's words "Cruelty, executions, and accusations of heresy—sounds like him."
  • For Honor: Apollyon is a brutal female warrior who commands the Blackstone Legion. Obsessed with war and firmly believing that Might Makes Right, Apollyon welcomes only the strongest and most ruthless into the Blackstone, with those who fight back against her spared—though she later proves to not care about her soldiers—while the rest are slaughtered as she sneers at them for being "sheep." Manipulating the various factions into conflict, Apollyon leads attacks on the Viking warriors before confiscating or destroying their supplies so they fall among themselves, allowing only the strongest to survive. When the Vikings attack the samurai Dawn Empire, Apollyon sacks the capital city, murdering the Emperor and releases the Daimyos to hunt each other down to see who will emerge. When defeated by the Emperor's champion, the Orochi, Apollyon gloats that her true plan has been to precipitate an endless war between the Vikings, knights and samurai, watching as they fall among each other due to her manipulations. Obsessed with proving everyone is as bloodthirsty as her, Apollyon only finds joy in endless slaughter, wanting nothing more than a land consumed by the flames of war forever.
  • Gabriel Knight:
    • Sins of the Fathers: Dr. John is the fanatical madman so obsessed with Voodoo culture that he becomes the second-in-command to Malia Gedde of the demonic spirit Tetelo. Fully organizing the Gedde cult of Voodoo worshippers, John began perpetrating the "Voodoo Murders", a series of vicious killings where the victims' hearts would be ripped out. Along with regularly having anyone who could oust him assassinated, John bathes in the blood of his kills, and it is seen that he has numerous other victims in his lair, with piles of skulls, dismembered limbs, and body-less faces abounding. When titular Gabriel Knight begins investigating him, John kidnaps the man's assistant, Grace, and plans to use her as the latest sacrifice to Tetelo and the gods of death they worship, with John never showing any form of remorse for his victims or care for Tetelo; just raving fanaticism toward the Voodoo gods of destruction.
    • The Beast Within: Baron Garr von Zell was, from the start, a rude, unlikable Jerkass with nothing but malice toward his fellow man. However once his true nature is discovered, he quickly becomes one of the most wicked villains in the franchise. Turned into a werewolf by Friedrich von Glower, von Zell became addicted to the thrill of killing, and quickly began murdering innocents, not for food like all other werewolves, but just For the Evulz. In these "mutilation killings", von Zell ravenously shreds more than half a dozen innocents to pieces, one of whom was a little girl, and he plans to continue his spree after framing a pair of wolves for the killings, later murdering a man who tries to blackmail him with the fact that he is the true killer. While Gabriel and von Glower, disgusted by von Zell's wanton sadism, manage to stop him before he kills too many more, von Zell makes sure to turn Gabriel himself into a werewolf before his death to screw with him one final time. A psychopath with nothing driving him but base impulses of hate and cruelty, Garr von Zell was without a doubt the most evil werewolf Gabriel encountered.
    • Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned: Excelsior Montreaux, real name Sanae, was once an adamant follower of Jesus Christ, but after growing jealous of his master, attempted to drain him of his blood to gain his godly powers. Though driven off by other followers of Christ, Montreaux began hunting down Christ's descendants then draining them of their blood as they slept, leaving them deathly sick for weeks to pass before repeating the process over and over again, which inevitably lead to his victims' deaths. Feasting on the blood of these descendants, sparking the legend of the vampire in the process, Montreaux has kept himself and his followers alive for over 2,000 years, and, alongside executing any who get to close to the truth of his Satanic cult, Montreaux plans to murder the latest descendant of Christ, the infant Charlie, drink his blood, then use the power it will give him to lead his cult in taking over the world. The final, and perhaps most evil, villain Gabriel faced, Montreaux truly cared for no one or no thing but himself and his immortality.
  • Metal Wolf Chaos: Richard Hawk is the evil Vice President who ousts the heroic Michael Wilson from office, proceeding to turn the US into a military dictatorship under his control. Using prisoners of war as shields, Richard proceeds to order them gunned down while also attacking American cities in an attempt to kill Michael, now piloting the mechanical armor known as Metal Wolf. Richard reinstitutes slave labor, selling people in Miami into white slavery, and attempts to frame Metal Wolf by using poison gas to wipe out Chicago before also using a giant mech to try to wipe out New York. When Michael defeats him, Richard attempts to flee to space, where he has prepared a superweapon to wipe out all of the United States out of spite at his loss.
  • Nioh: Edward Kelley functions as the villain for most of the game. A ruthless sorcerer seeking to gather the mystical energy Amrita for his masters, Kelley kidnaps William's guardian spirit Saoirse and uses her to locate Japan, where he makes an already bloody civil war even worse. Lending his aid to the Toyotomi forces, Kelley also increases the presence of monstrous Oni and other Youkai, and attempts to undo a seal to allow monsters to ravage all of Kyoto. After being foiled, Kelley uses his magic at the Battle of Sekigahara to painfully fuse 300 soldiers into a new monstrosity and backstabs the Toyotomi army leader Ishida Mitsunari to use him to buy time while Kelley attempts to raise Oda Nobunaga, Japan's most fearsome warlord, from the dad and have him plunge the nation into a new era of war. While a servant of the English mystic Sir John Dee, Kelley is ruthless, cruel and utterly delights in the slaughter he initiates.
  • Sniper Elite 4: The elusive General Heinz Bohm, the Butcher of Bologna, ravages the Italian countryside under his control. Killing almost indiscriminately, Bohm also disguises himself as an informant named Dorfmann and gives the Partisans information that leads to the deaths of his own soldiers, so he can lure the Partisans into a trap, initiating a massacre that kills many of them while he takes their leader, a woman named Angel, captive. Working on a new Nazi superweapon with slave labor, Bohm plans to attack and annihilate the entire Allied fleet closing in on Europe, intending to kill General Eisenhower and cripple the US involvement in the war. When finally revealing himself to the heroic sniper Karl Fairburne, Bohm reveals his intent to torture Angel and force Karl to watch, delighting in how he can either be a man "or a monster" when the situation calls for it.
  • Steppenwolf The X Creatures Project: Reggie Donovan is the CEO of the Donovan Corporation. He starts out by sending Meg Crimson, through her boss, McCallister, along with some of his own men, on expeditions to acquire the blood samples from the X-creatures. When Meg discovers the truth and confronts McCallister about the project, Donovan sends his enforcer, the Albino, after the two of them, McCallister getting wounded in the process. Meg finds evidence that ties Donovan to numerous assassinations, at which point Donovan reveals himself, along with the Albino and Sanchez, who appears to have taken a beating from the two. He then intimidates Meg into working for him. Meanwhile, in a ruined lab beneath Antarctica, Donovan tells Alan that the Heruka is actually his "late" wife and head of the Gene X research team, Shelley Thompson. Once Meg and Alan acquired the last two samples, Donovan makes a serum from the X-creatures' blood and injects the Heruka with it, revealing that it was, in fact, Shelley, and boasts that he was responsible for her transformation. Then he orders the two killed, and imprisons Meg after Alan kills the Albino. Later on, Alan finds Reggie, who injects himself with the creatures' blood, turning himself into the Heruka, then murders his guards and chases Alan across the island, using every means at his disposal to try and kill him.

edited 6th Mar '17 6:57:03 AM by ACW

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Wuz Since: Jun, 2013
#78377: Mar 5th 2017 at 5:02:48 PM

[up]I want to mention that Ajin has two different continuities, the anime continuity here and the manga continuity, and they need to be differentiated. Maybe change the work name to something like Ajin (anime)?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#78378: Mar 5th 2017 at 5:26:43 PM

A few notes on Hickey... Hickey cut his father's throat when he was ten, not fifteen (the burning of the orphanage came at that age). The entry also reads like an absolute mess of potholes right now, which I believe we've advised against in the past.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#78380: Mar 5th 2017 at 6:01:56 PM

How can I not [tup] Freddy?

That drugs thing is really weird though, Since it's not elaborated on, we'll just call it a very poor attempt at An Aesop and just imagine Freddy just doesn't like drugs because they steal his victims.

I'd also call that friendship Offscreen Heroism, so let's ignore that.

Freddy can be funny, but when he wants to be sinister, he is terrifying. He's always a cruel, sadistic predator and is played as such even when he goes more comical.

edited 5th Mar '17 6:02:29 PM by PolarPhantom

Awesomekid42 Since: Jul, 2012
#78381: Mar 5th 2017 at 6:13:42 PM

Wait, I thought consensus was for the Dark Danny entry to remain unchanged?

G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78382: Mar 5th 2017 at 6:41:34 PM

Hey guys sorry I've been out for so long.

had a lab report to do.

any who [tup] dear ol'chuck

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#78383: Mar 5th 2017 at 6:58:51 PM

call me crazy, but I am leaning [tdown] on Ole' Chuck.

Mod note: There is no need for this level of detail.

edited 5th Mar '17 8:04:43 PM by nombretomado

jjj
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#78384: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:06:30 PM

Bob....I don't know what possessed you to write that, and I find that whole thing extremely troubling. You cannot do that and say "it's just my opinion," that doesn't work at all.

Child molestation is rape by definition and a terrible crime. Downplaying that is bad form.

another thing on Freddy...in the films, Freddy has at least once killed someone via drug injection. So, uhh...that attempt at standards is utter tripe.

edited 5th Mar '17 7:08:20 PM by Lightysnake

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#78385: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:11:29 PM

[up] What I mean is, he doesn't seem much worse than that villain from a Very Special Episode ftom a family show that was brought up a while ago, who we voted down because he didn't physically hurt anyone.

jjj
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#78386: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:12:13 PM

Okay, what episode and what crimes? A serial child molester is not something to be taken lightly and Iam not buying these situations are similar.

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#78387: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:17:45 PM

[up] Here: [1].

I know that it's serious, it's just that I don't consider the non violent ones to be as bad as murderers. Still a serious thing. I want to stress that I am not trying to downplay the seriousness of it at all. I above all else do not want to offend anyone.

jjj
Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#78388: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:19:11 PM

Ok, um....I'm going to be as objective and nonconfrontaional as possible right now, so just bear with me.

Alright, so, I tried to dance around it, but it seems I have to make it more explicit: Yes, Charles raped Mer until she bled. There are some sick implications that he "broke" something, for those who get my meaning, so there.

And yes, in the end, he was violently trying to rape Mer. I kinda thought the fact that I pointed out that she tried to drive him off by brandishing a knife was evidence of that.

But, ok, let's, for just a minute, say those didn't happen. In what world is doing what Charles did to them NOT still rape? This is extremely hard to lay out while avoiding something that could get me in trouble with the mods, but children can't exactly give consent to something like that.

All of Charles' victims note that he freaking forced them to beg him to stop while he was doing it. And after he is caught, two of the kids freaking break down in a wailing heap when they see him in court. He hurt them, it wasn't consensual, it COULDN'T have been, and Charles enjoyed it.

edited 5th Mar '17 7:21:03 PM by Ravok

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#78389: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:23:44 PM

Meh, his vote is no. Let's just move on and save the debate for another place(or not at all, since there is no worthwhile debate here). Also, better to holler troublesome posts and let the mods deal with cases like this than outright derail the topic.

I don't agree with him either, but let's move on instead.

[tup] Charles.

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#78390: Mar 5th 2017 at 7:24:53 PM

[up][up] Okay, that's all I need to know. I' changing my vote to [tup].

Should I delete the post I made? I don't want to offend anyone.

edited 5th Mar '17 7:30:09 PM by bobg

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Awesomekid42 Since: Jul, 2012
#78392: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:02:41 PM

This might risk making a stir, but I'll just throw in my two cents about the child molestation thing.

While yes, having sex with a child is rape no matter what, in terms of the character's heinousness, if the child agreed to have sex, then, while it's still rape, it shouldn't go into account to the character's heinousness as much as if the child refused since the children would be having sex with them willingly.

However, seeing as how the sex didn't seem to be consensual (with one of them attempting suicide and Charles not giving a shit about it from the looks of the effort post) I'm gonna give him a [tup]

[down] I literally just said that it would still be rape. But if a man offers sex to a child and the child says yes, that would be fucked up and I am not implying I condone it by any means, but that is by definition being willing to have sex with the man.

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Nov 6th 2019 at 12:15:23 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#78393: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:03:45 PM

Wait, what?

No. No, that's not how it works. Children cannot give consent. There's no such thing as 'having sex with a child willingly.' A child CANNOT agree to that.

edited 5th Mar '17 8:04:54 PM by Lightysnake

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#78394: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:04:46 PM

Let's just drop this right now.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78395: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:05:14 PM

Children cannot consent. Saying child molestation isn't heinous because the child was okay with it really doesn't stand any kind of test.

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#78396: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:05:17 PM

Either vote [tup] or [tdown]. Let's not derail further. The original post has been edited to remove everything besides the vote.

Awesomekid42 Since: Jul, 2012
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#78398: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:10:25 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#78400: Mar 5th 2017 at 8:25:43 PM

Alright, dropping that and getting back on-topic... I need to echo Awesome on Dark Danny's writeup. I explicitly remember that there was some agreement that the original writeup didn't actually need to be replaced... mainly, the current one serves the character fine and the new one just reads like a plot summary. Any other comments on that?


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