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  • Author's Saving Throw: For the very, VERY large hatedom of Teen Titans Go!, and for fans of both the comics and the 2003 animated series, the mere existence of this series is considered an example of this trope, especially by those hoping for a darker take on the Titans.
  • Base-Breaking Character: Dick Grayson. He's either an interesting take on the character, or a very dull take on him that repeats plot points throughout the first season and doesn't offer enough to be particularly likable.
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  • Complete Monster: Hank Hall's old gym coach, Vincent, from "Hank and Dawn", proves himself far worse than even many superpowered characters, preying on his young students to molest them at his whim. Vincent goads Hank's young brother into his clutches by threatening to have Hank expelled from his prestigious school, raping Hank instead when he substitutes himself. A laptop discovered in the present day reveals he has pictures of countless other kids he'd targeted before him.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • The Faux Affably Evil Nuclear Family.
    • Jason Todd's guest appearance was well-liked, with many feeling that his portrayal was better and more nuanced than his comic counterpart. In a DC Universe poll, the majority of voters preferred to have Jason stay alive, rather than be killed and return as Red Hood.
    • Donna Troy's cheerful disposition and Platonic Life-Partners chemistry with Dick has many fans hoping that she'll be a regular for Season 2.
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  • Evil Is Sexy: Angela Azarath, Rachel's Manipulative Bitch of a (biological) mother, as played by the gorgeous Rachel Nichols. Quite appropriately, Angela is wearing a plunging blouse in contrast to her usually modest attires during The Reveal that she's really Evil All Along.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: In spite of the immense Internet Backdraft and No Yay concerning the real-life age gap between their actors (see those entries for full details), Beast Boy and Raven still retain their status as this trope for this adaptation. The events of the tenth episode, along with the choice Raven is forced to make, only helps to magnify this even more.
    • Dick and Dawn is liked better than Hank/Dawn and Dick/Kory so far. The two actors have a great chemistry and shared status as Badass Normal characters with a difficult past.
    • Donna and Kori are well liked among LGBT+ fans, who view their bickering at the end of season 1 as Unresolved Sexual Tension.
  • Fandom Rivalry:
    • To say that fans of the animated series have been critical of this series' tone would be a massive understatement. Those defending it have been just as vocal, especially in saying that the series' tone is just as true to the comics and the series shouldn't be expected to copy the animated series, especially when the animated series deviated from the comics in a lot of ways.
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    • There's also a minor one with fans of the DCEU as Ryan Potter had campaigned to play Tim Drake in the solo Batman film and those who are keen on the idea are worried that his role here will prevent him from playing a part in the films. Furthermore, there are a number of DCEU fans upset that the show has been critically praised despite sharing the same dark and gritty first impressions.
  • Friendly Fandoms:
    • With the Young Justice fanbase, since this show and Outsiders are the first two originals announced for the DC Universe streaming service. It also helps that both franchises were screwed over by Turner-owned networks; TNT backed out of Titans, while Cartoon Network cancelled Young Justice (and nearly every other DC-based show). Many are looking forward to both shows, and often share the same communities.
    • The Arrowverse fandom has warmly welcomed the show, especially Arrow fans who are hoping that Manu Bennett's Slade Wilson could be transplanted over. But that will never happen cause Esai Morales was cast to play Deathstroke in Season 2.
    • There's also a bit of overlap with DCEU fans who have defended the show's tone as being closer to the original run in the same way that they have for the films. Both have been hit with criticism for their similarly bleak and edgy tone, so fans who like the DCEU for this aspect are just as interested in the show. Many DCEU fans have also noted the parallels between that version of Bruce and the Titans version of Dick and appreciate the show for them.
    • There's a considerable overlap between fans of Titans and fans of Marvel Cinematic Universe shows such as Daredevil (2015) and Jessica Jones (2015). In light of the news that the former (along with several other MCU shows) has been cancelled despite strong critical and audience reception, many Daredevil fans are rooting for Titans to continue the trend of gritty, mature superhero shows with serialized storytelling.
  • Growing the Beard: The first three episodes fall a bit into Slow-Paced Beginning. Episodes 4 and 5 are seen as where the series starts to take advantage of the biggest draws such as the team starting to come together and reaching out into the wider universe and mythology of the characters. However, this is more of a Broken Base, as there is a part of the fandom that is just as vocal that claims this is when the series got worse.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: Dick encourages Jason Todd to remove the tracking beacon in his forearm, that Batman place there. Jason, in the comics, gets beaten to death by Joker because Batman couldn’t get locate him fast enough to save him.
  • He Really Can Act: Brenton Thwaites quickly won over many of the viewers that were skeptical before the first episode aired and delivered a much more nuanced performance than people anticipated from his previous body of work.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • It was commonly stated by many that Greg Berlanti would be a better choice to run the cinematic universe due to his DC shows being considerably lighter. Then the trailer for this series dropped and he was hit with the same accusations of making heroes needlessly darker and grittier. It's arguably even more damning for Berlanti as Zack Snyder never resorted to having heroes say "fuck" for cheap shock value and his films were visually amazing in contrast to the other complaints against this series.
    • Speaking of the infamous "Fuck Batman", it was frequently cited as an example of the series being another humourless Darker and Edgier reboot. The full scene, though still being brutally violent, actually starts with a joke of Robin appearing and all the mooks immediately looking up in search of Batman, with Robin giving an exasperated "Fuck Batman" after taking them all down single-handed.
    • Rachel calling Dawn "Khaleesi" once they bond is this for a number of reasons:
    • In the Japanese dub, Yuuki Kaji's role as Robin is pretty hilarious if you consider his most famous role as Eren Yeager in Attack on Titan: Leaving aside the sole name of the franchise, his role in this series is a mix between Eren and, ironically enough, Levi, his senior officer in the manga and the anime series, as Levi is also a no-nonsense protagonist with acrobatic abilities who was trained by a brutal man (Batman/Bruce Wayne and Kenny respectively) who have to fight against man-eating beings named Titans. Extra points that, much later in both the manga and the anime, Eren became a Titan.
  • Internet Backdraft:
    • Some fans were rather put off by the show's Darker and Edgier tone. The biggest criticism being that they felt that the producers took the complaints from Teen Titans Go! and took them in the wrong direction. That show had the episode "Let's Get Serious" dedicated to saying Darker and Edgier doesn't make it better. What they didn't say was that the writers should focus on quality regardless of the tone they choose.
    • There's a rather fiery debate within the fandom over whether or not the Beast Boy/Raven ship should become canon in this continuity due to the large age difference between Gar and Rachel's actors... And that's all we're going to say about that.
  • Just Here for Godzilla: A number of Doom Patrol fans have announced that they plan to watch up to the episode where the titular team is introduced, and check out the moment it's over (as well as any future episodes in which the Patrol appear.)
    • A similar reaction was had by fans of Donna Troy and Jason Todd since the former is very rarely used outside of the comics and the latter is rarely used as Robin, with his time as part of the legacy often being skipped over outside the comics if not completely ignored in favor of portraying either Tim Drake or Damian Wayne sooner.
    • Some fans are only interested in the episodes that focus on Hank and Dawn, due to finding the Battle Couple more interesting than the core 4 characters.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Fuck Batman".Explanation 
    • "Hookerfire" (or referring to Starfire as resembling a hooker in general). Explanation 
    • Dick's frightened reaction to seeing Gar's tiger form for the first time.
    • Dick leaves the group, again.
    • The scene of Negative Man/Larry cooking is beloved by fans.
    • "How many Robins are there?" Sometimes followed by an image of one of the many various Batmans saying "Not enough."
    • Begging the showrunners to show Wally West/The Flash, Garth/Aqualad/Tempest, and Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow for just one episode so they can team up with Dick and Donna for some "Fab Five" content in increasingly desperate ways.
  • Mis-blamed: The reaction to Anna Diop's casting as Starfire led to many claiming that the character was being racelifted for diversity's sake (despite the fact that Starfire is often depicted with dark skin). However, casting call leaks show that the audition was "open ethnicity".
  • Narm:
    • Beast Boy's tiger form is undoubtedly impressive for a TV show, but by the fourth or fifth time in a row he uses it, it becomes painfully clear that the show is just trying to reuse the model to keep the effects budget down.
    • The Establishing Team Shot of the Titans finally standing together after their first fight as a team would've be awesome, except that Starfire didn't actually take part in the fighting and only got knocked around mere seconds ago.
  • Narm Charm: In the episode "Origins", despite the flashbacks to when Dick first went to live with Bruce, we don't actually see Bruce's face or see him interact with Dick. The extent of the efforts to keep him out of sight verges on ridiculous, but as Batman has always been portrayed as rather dramatic, it comes across as enjoyably so.
  • Nausea Fuel:
    • For people who are afraid of blood, the various blood effects can be this. We also get to see a few charred bodies thanks to Kori's powers.
    • The scene where the pedo coach tries to manipulate a young Don and Hank into being alone with him is skin crawling; even worse since it's clear that Hank knows exactly what is going on and ends up sacrificing himself to molestation to save Don from it, with implication that this isn't the first time this has happened to him.
  • Newer Than They Think: Somewhat conversely with the bellow-mentioned Older Than They Think, but a lot of fans have professed how dark the Titans comics are to justify the edgy tone of the initial trailer. While the classic Wolfman-Perez run was mature, grittiness to the extent shown is more something associated with the runs of the 2000s period, where there were frequent character deaths and shocking storylines. Another thing that's also not noted is that this period of Darker and Edgier was generally considered a Dork Age to fans of the older runs.
  • No Yay: Quite a large portion of viewers have admitted that the hints of a possible Beast Boy/Raven relationship happening down the road grosses them out due to the large age difference between the actors(there is almost a 10 year difference between Ryan Potter and Teagan Croft). Even some BB/Rae shippers from the comics and the 2003 cartoon have admitted discomfort due to this. (Of course, this hasn't stopped everyone from shipping the two together).
  • Older Than They Think:
    • The idea of Titans being Darker and Edgier and skewing towards the R-rated is not unique to this show, it's just that due to Adaptation Displacement that it's often seen that way and has even bled into later runs in the actual comics. Despite them, there were many dark and mature aspects of the story that wasn't meant for kids in any possible way, with some runs being excessively violent. It's most likely that this is where Titans is taking their influence from rather than the impact of the animated series, which in turn helps distinguish itself while utilizing the freedom of the streaming service.
    • Dick Grayson's attitude towards Batman is also hardly new, as this was the status quo in The '90s, before they eventually reconciled in his solo series, and in Batman: The Animated Series after he left and became Nightwing.
    • Although the short hair Starfire is wearing is new, Starfire having curly hair, on the other hand, is something that was present in her early years.note  Thanks to Adaptation Displacement from a combination of her portrayal in the comics in recent years and both animated series, more people are likely to associate her with the straight hair she's shown having in those (most prominently the 2003 series).
      • On another note of Adaptation Displacement, some fans are lambasting Starfire's signature power being colored orange and resembling blasts of fire instead of the green energy that she utilized in the 2003 series. The truth of the matter is that Starfire's blasts have been portrayed as numerous colors over the ages, from the familiar green to pink to even the orange color being complained about and additionally there have been numerous times her powers have resembled flames as well.
    • There was also some backdraft against Raven's lack of grey skin. Again, this is a case of Adaptation Displacement; originally, she had tan skin.
    • Some fans have stated confusion with Dawn's lack of pacifism, something the Dove character is considered famous for... However that trait was very specifically Don's. Dawn was from the get-go ready and willing to hurt the villains she fought, only gaining pacifistic behavior when later writers began treating her as a Distaff Counterpart to Don.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: Jason/Gar and Jason/Rachel both have a bit of a following.
  • Signature Scene: Robin brutally attacking criminals and saying "fuck Batman" is easily the most well-known part of the trailer, for better or worse.
    • Ironically, the scene of Negative Man cooking is one of the most beloved scenes in the entire first season, which acted as a form of meta foreshadowing towards Doom Patrol becoming a More Popular Spin Off.
  • Slow-Paced Beginning: The first three episodes are largely about setting the groundwork for the team to come together and the plot to get going, being mostly exposition and backstory while being fairly light on action or story progression.
  • Special Effect Failure: It's pretty clear that some of the sound effects used in the first trailer are Stock Sound Effects. Some people even commented that some of them sounded like they had been lifted straight from the Batman: Arkham Series games.
  • Tainted by the Preview:
    • The set photos showing Starfire, Beast Boy and Raven soured the project in many fans' eyes after the promising costume reveal for Robin.
    • The news that Titans would be an R-rated series has some fans split. While many are glad that it won't pull any punches and deliver a full experience that takes advantage of the streaming platform, others aren't happy that a series known for being lighthearted will be made Darker and Edgier. That said, the dark tone is Older Than They Think, as much of the notoriety for being light came from the animated series and later runs, and many stories including the Wolfman-Perez era were in fact very dark and mature.
    • The first trailer itself was released to decidedly lukewarm reception and gave a very negative first impression of the show. Common points of contention were drastically changing the Titans, the use of obvious Stock Sound Effects and its over-the-top Darker and Edgier tone. Perhaps most infamously, the trailer was edited to make it appear as if Robin of all people was killing criminals, and he drops an F-bomb in a bizarre context that made it seem like he did it for the sake of being edgy. It got a hatedom that's as vocal as Teen Titans Go! but in the opposite direction. Many were especially worried because this show is the start of a new universe that other series like Doom Patrol are supposed to spawn from. All future trailers made sure to show the lighter aspects of the show as if to do damage control.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: There's been some gnashing of teeth over Starfire, Beast Boy and Raven no longer having their signature skin colours (though in the case of Starfire and Beast Boy, their skin changes shade to that of their original counterparts when they use their powers and in Raven's case, her grey skin originated in the Teen Titans cartoon, meaning her possessing normal skin tones is Older Than They Think).
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Amy Rohrbach, Dick's new partner at the Detroit Police Department, gets brutally murdered by the Nuclear Family in the second episode.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The idea of Batman snapping and killing his rogues gallery sounds like an awesome premise for an Alternate Universe Nightwing origin story, where Dick would have to go solo to fight not only Gotham's remaining criminals, but also Batman and Jason's Robin who'd actually been trained to kill by this insane Batman. Here it's Only A Dream.
  • Unexpected Character:
    • Few could've guessed that the main villain of Titans would be the Acolyte, best known in the comics as the antagonist to their successor team Young Justice.
    • Donna Troy is a classic Titan and fan-favorite, but nonetheless shackled with many legal issues in the past that prevented her from ever appearing outside the comics, and thus thought unavailable to be used (or thought that DC was screwing her over). Here, she makes her historical live-action debut in this series.
    • Batman is typically off-limits by DC due to an embargo preventing more than one primary version of Batman at a time, not wanting the character to be confused with his movie counterpart. The fact that Batman will not only exist here, but actually has casting calls to indicate he'll make onscreen appearances, was a surprise to some people. It's speculated that they're given more leeway as it's on their private streaming service rather than a network channel with non-DC shows.
    • The Nuclear Family are a very obscure supervillain team from DC Comics, so them being represented here was quite a surprise.
    • Konstantin Kovar is such a minor villain that many people thought he was just a Canon Foreigner in Arrow so him showing up here (with no indication that his son, the Titans member Red Star would appear) was definitely out of left-field.
    • Jason Todd as Robin since most adaptations either only acknowledge him after his death or skip over him entirely in order to focus on Tim or Damian.
    • The Stinger to the season one finale shows Superboy Kon-El and Krypto the Superdog. Probably no one expected these two to show up in live action form... again.
  • Unfortunate Character Design: As stated above, Starfire's rather trashy looking wig and costume has caused many fans to note that she looks like a prostitute. Sadly this turned into constant online comments referring to the character (and indirectly the actress) as 'hooker' or 'prostitute' instead of a genuine criticism of the costuming department or the costume itself.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: Titans may be part of a franchise that's commonly thought of a lighthearted due to multiple animated series, but kid-friendly it is not. Just the first trailer alone features a dark and brooding atmosphere, people getting mangled, snapped, sliced, burned alive, and Robin himself drops the F-bomb. The fact that it's compared to Netflix MCU and was originally going on TNT should give you a good idea that it was never meant for kids to begin with.
  • WTH, Casting Agency?:
    • Raven being played by thirteen-year-old Teagan Croft has gotten this reaction, as people feel she's too young for the character who is traditionally around sixteen, especially given the age gap with her fellow cast members. Keeping her romantic tension with the significantly older Beast Boy also creates a fair amount of Squick in their interactions that could have been completely avoided with either casting an older actress or cutting that aspect of their relationship out, with little effect on the overall narrative.
    • Anna Diop as Starfire unrightfully has gotten backlash too, even by people who don't mind her skin color and know that Starfire has been depicted with darker skin in comics before. This is because they prefer her to look like the 2003 animated version. Sadly this doesn't negate the fact that the actress had to deal with months and months of brutal racist, colorist and sexist online harrassment (leading her to temporarily deactivate her social media accounts) because of the fandoms displeasure with her race and etnicity, as well as her undercover gangster girlfriend costume, all aspects she has no control over.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?
    • People almost unanimously reacted with horror to the undercover gangster girlfriend wig and outfit choices made for the Kory Anders/Starfire character by the costuming department when unofficial pictures of her were leaked.
    • Raven's hair in the pilot episode is very noticeably a wig; due to the fact that the hairline does not blend naturally into the actress's forehead.
  • The Woobie: Rachel/Raven goes through so much stuff in the first season alone. Seeing her mother killed in front of her, raised with something evil inside of her and isolated from everyone was just the very beginning of her story.

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