Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great
Fall Out Boy are a pop-punk band from Illinois, home of Screeching Weasel, Naked Raygun, Alkaline Trio, the Smoking Popes, and Cheap Trick. Whether or not they've belonged to the "emo" genre depends on your definition of "emo" and that's quite a controversial label to go around slapping upon things these days, so we'll leave it up to you.note
The band consists of Patrick Stump (vocals, rhythm guitar), Joe Trohman (lead guitar), Pete Wentz (bassist, lyricist), and Andy Hurley (drums).
The band is well known for songs such as "Dance, Dance," "Sugar, We're Going Down," "This Ain't a Scene, it's an Arms Race," "I Don't Care", "Thnks fr th Mmrs", "America's Suitehearts", and "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light 'Em Up)". They have currently released seven albums and have had better than a dozen singles total.
They have numerous music videos, including one where they pretended to be vampire hunters that went on for about seven minutes (A Little Less Sixteen Candles, A Little More "Touch Me"), one with Turk from Scrubs along with ridiculous amount of Michael Jackson references (for their cover of "Beat It"), and eleven videos for one album mashed together into one movie with Elton John as God and Tommy Lee as the Devil (The Young Blood Chronicles). Other notable deeds the band has committed include one of them impregnating Ashlee Simpson and a model, wearing remarkably tight trousers, almost getting a Guinness World Record for playing a live concert on all seven continents in a certain amount of time, getting a Guinness World Record for doing the most press interviews within a 24 hour time span, being loved by Mark Hoppus, getting on Top of the Pops with a song with a past history of homosexual subtext, and having some really strange lyrics. They also have a comic called Fall Out Toy Works, a Cyberpunk love story with one big mind screw of an ending. As is to be expected from them.
They have nothing to do with the mascot of the Fallout game series, Vault Boy, and are named after Radioactive Man's faithful sidekick. They're often grouped together with Panic! at the Disco, The Academy Is, Gym Class Heroes, and Cobra Starship, due to being True Companions, collaborating with each other on stuff (music or otherwise) often, and being signed to Fueled by Ramen (and to Pete's own vanity label, Decaydance Records, now known as DCD2). If One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach were the "Big Three" Shonen Manga in the mid-2000s and early 2010s, then their rock music equivalents would be Fall Out Boy, Panic! at the Disco, and My Chemical Romance.note
The band was on hiatus, (not a breakup, no matter what your friend tells you they've read on the internet that isn't directly from the band). During the hiatus, Patrick started a solo musical effort, Pete started a dancehall band turned EDM act called the Black Cards, and Joe and Andy wrapped up work with rock supergroup The Damned Things (also featuring members of Anthrax and Every Time I Die). Andy did guest drumming with Enabler and Joe started a new band called With Knives (where he does lead vocals). Joe and Andy would later return to The Damned Things in 2019 to make a new record and do touring.
As of February 4, 2013, Fall Out Boy stated the end of their hiatus as they finished their recording of their newest album, Save Rock and Roll, which came out April 16th, bumped up from its initial May release. They then allowed fans to hear the whole album a week early on their YouTube and Soundcloud. They've released a series of often bizarre and disturbing music videos for each song on the record called The Youngblood Chronicles and released an old-school punk/hardcore EP, PAX AM DAYS, produced by Ryan Adams. In the summer of 2014, they hit the road as co-headliners with Paramore for Monumentour, considered one of the most highly anticipated rock tours of that year.
In late 2014, they announced their sixth studio album, American Beauty/American Psycho, which was released on January 20, 2015. After a cryptic trailer release stunt in Chicago area movie theaters that went horribly wrong when they didn't air at the time the band advertised, fans eventually discovered what was next for Fall Out Boy: their next album M A N I A with the first single Young and Menace bumped up to release on Patrick Stump's birthday (how nice of them!). Originally planned to release on September 15, 2017, the album was instead delayed to January 19, 2018, announced by Patrick on August 3, 2017. And not a moment too soon, as the band felt the album was being "rushed" and wanted to make something they felt more comfortable with releasing. The album released on the new date with no issues, with Fall Out Boy confirming the album's completion and the tracklist on November 6, 2017. Fall Out Boy also released "Llamania" in February 2018, featuring three MANIA demos, as a thank you to fans for their patience during the delay.
Keeping the gratitude train going, Fall Out Boy released the Lake Effect Kid EP on August 23, 2018. The album serves as a partial throwback, featuring a studio version of B-side "Lake Effect Kid", a love letter to Chicago called "City in a Garden", and a return to working with Sean O'Keefe, who was last credit as a producer on FOB material for the 2004 My Heart Will Always Be the B-Side to My Tongue. The EP also featured "Super Fade", a song evokative of "Young and Menace". They finally released the mysterious MANIA experience, a interactive art exhibit based on the album to fans in Chicago to coincide with their biggest headlining show to date at Wrigley Field.
- Project Rocket / Fall Out Boy [Split EP] (2002)
- Fall Out Boy's Evening Out with Your Girlfriend (2003, remastered for reissue in 2005 without the band's consent)
- Take This to Your Grave (2003)
- My Heart Will Always Be the B-Side to My Tongue [EP] (2014)
- From Under the Cork Tree (2005)
- Infinity on High (2007)
- Folie à Deux (2008)
- Believers Never Die-Greatest Hits (2009)
- Save Rock and Roll (2013)
- PAX AM Days [EP] (2013)
- American Beauty/American Psycho (2015)
- M A N I A (2018)
- Lake Effect Kid [EP] (2018)
Do tropes apply to them? Why yes, of course.
- Album Title Drop: Take This To Your Grave gets one in "The Patron Saint Of Liars And Fakes". Save Rock and Roll gets one in, you guessed it, "Save Rock and Roll". Ditto for American Beauty/American Psycho.
- Affectionate Parody: The third video for "Irresistible" is an affectionate homage and spiritual sequel to *NSYNC's "It's Gonna Be Me".
- Parody Assistance: They even got Wayne Isham, the director of the original video, as well as Joey Fatone and Chris Kirkpatrick themselves to play along.
- All Just a Dream: The video for "The Take Over, The Break's Over", "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race" and "Beat It".
- All There in the Manual: Pete has annotated several songs on Genius and has corrected misunderstood/heard lyrics for fans asking about them on Twitter.
- American Title: "American Made" from PAX AM Days and American Beauty/American Psycho.
- And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt: Variation: "I Slept With Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me".
- Animated Music Video: "Carpal Tunnel Of Love", which stars Happy Tree Friends and features Happy Tree Friends versions of the band themselves.
- Anti-Christmas Song: Yule Shoot Your Eye Out.
- Anti-Love Song: Many, many of their songs:
''I'm just a notch in your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song".
- "Bang the Doldrums" is a good example:This is a love song in my own way/Happily ever after, below the waist.
- "Sugar, We're Goin Down":
Your crooked love is just a pyramid scheme
- "The Music or the Misery"I got your love letters, corrected the grammar and sent them back.It's true, romance is dead, I shot it in the chest and in the head.
- "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs," which tells the story of two people having sex just to get over people they broke up with.
- "Hum Hallelujah"A teenage vow in a parking lot, till tonight do us part
- "A Little Less Sixteen Candles, A Little More Touch Me" is another example.
- The Mighty Fall:
And I'm dizzy on dreams (and I'm dizzy on dreams)
But if you ask me, two's a whole lot lonelier than one
Baby, we should have left our love in the gutter where we found it (gutter where we found it)
'Cause you think, you think, your only crime is that you got caught
- "Bang the Doldrums" is a good example:
- Arc Words: There are a few on the Save Rock and Roll album. Specifically, "Do you want to feel beautiful?" and "Poison".
- Arms Race: A metaphorical example in the song "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race." While they're actually talking about the scene they came out of (which around 2006 was gaining major traction in the mainstream, with bands that were good and bands that were... mostly forgettable and mainly there to ride the trend to the top), the metaphorical verses fit this trope perfectly: "I am an arms dealer/Fitting you with weapons in the form of words/Yeah, don't really care which side wins/Long as the room keeps singing, that's just the business I'm in, yeah."
- Badass Boast: "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark" could read as this, depending on interpretation.
- I'm in the de-details with the devil/So now the world can never get me on my level/I just got to get you out of the cage/I'm a young lover's rage/Gonna need a spark to ignite
- Another one is in "Centuries".Some legends are told/some turn to dust or to gold/but you'll remember me/remember me for centuries
- "She's My Winona"Hell or glory/I don't want anything in between.
- Badass Longcoat: The woman in "Jet Pack Blues" has one.
- "She's in a long black coat tonight/Waiting for me in the downpour outside."
- Bookends: In their album Infinity on High. The first track starts with the chatter of people entering an auditorium and the last track ends in applause.
- Break-Up Song: It's more which ones aren't technically entirely break up songs. Or which ones aren't break up songs at all, but are written in a way that reads as one.
- Broken Record: In "Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet".Wish I didn't- I didn't- I didn't- I didn't- I didn't- I didn't- I didn't-
- Call-Back: "Save Rock and Roll" samples "Until your breathing stops, forever" from "Chicago is so Two Years Ago". Its lyrics also mention "going down swingin'".
- The entire last minute or so of "What a Catch, Donnie" is one big one. There's a whole medley of previous songs of theirs: "Headfirst Slide into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet," "Grand Theft Autumn/Where is Your Boy," "Sugar, We're Goin Down," "Dance, Dance," "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race," "Thnks fr the Mmrs," and "Growing Up" are all in there.
- The first music video for "Irresistible" is full of them, including references back to The Youngblood Chronicles, I Don't Care, and Bedussey.
- "Bishop's Knife Trick" is one to "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs", where instead of monkeys directing the band it's Stump trying and failing to direct llamas.
- Celebrity Song: "Uma Thurman."
- The original title of "Our Lawyer Made Us Change The Name Of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" was "My Name Is David Ruffin And These Are The Temptations," but was changed, obviously, so they wouldn't get sued.
- Characterization Marches On: The llamas from "Young & Menace" went from "monster representation of a young girl's abusive parents" to semi-mascots for the band during their album cycle. They got names (Frosty and Milk Tea) and their own LLAMANIA EPnote . During the MANIA tour, they showed up on stage and in pre-recorded footage where they played  and heckled the band Statler and Waldorf style. They also showed up during Fall Out Boy's live TV performances.
- During the video for Wilson (Expensive Mistakes), Frosty and Milk Tea are marketed as adorable llamas...then they suddenly revert back to their music video characterization and start trying to kill each other.
- Colour-Coded for Your Convenience: After noticing that their past albums tended to have predominantly red or blue color schemes, the band decided to make MANIA a purple album.
- Concept Video: Pretty much always.
- Cover Version: Several, most notably Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart", The Police's "Roxanne," Danny Elfman's "What's This?" and Michael Jackson's "Beat It." We don't talk about the Ghostbusters theme, though.
- Dating What Daddy Hates: Exaggerated in the video for "Sugar, We're Goin Down" and its story of a girl who falls for a boy with antlers; her hunter father hates him to the point where he tries to kill him.
- Dogged Nice Guy: The narrators of "Grand Theft Autumn" and "A Little Less Sixteen Candles".
- Downer Ending: For the video for "A Little Less Sixteen Candles". Pete's arrested, the cops turn out to be vampires, it's implied Patrick, Andy, and Joe all got turned (or only Patrick got turned but all three of them still got arrested), William Beckett gets away, the Dandies have turned more people (or just outright killed them), and god only knows exactly what happened to the vampire faction that was there when the Dandies showed up.
- Emo Music: One of the most contentious topics you'll hear discussed about the band, as the page intro would tell you. Your understanding of emo likely informs whether or not you think emo was a footnote in FOB's story or a defining aspect. In the mid-00s, Fall Out Boy were seen by some as the poster children for "emo pop", described as a style mixing the gloominess and hardcore punk elements of emo with catchy pop punk. That being said, a lot of bands including Fall Out Boy were lumped into that categorization and mocked to the point where that categorization would be considered a smear rather than an accurate assessment of their genre. As mentioned in the note on top of the page, Fall Out Boy took influence from early emo acts such as Braid (The title of "Grand Theft Autumn" is a direct reference to a Braid song of the same name), but the band started swerving from that path as soon as Infinity on High, even as soon as From Under The Cork Tree if you're feeling charitable. The early emo influence fell out in favor of general pop rock with a particular emphasis on the pop and experimentation in other genres by way of incorporating elements of hip-hop, electronic music, and others. Even with the early emo influences, Fall Out Boy never considered themselves an emo band and often rejected being lumped in with the other bands that got put into the category around the mid-00s, even calling the tendency out lyrically on Thrillernote and the entirety of "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race".
- Extraverted Nerd: Patrick Stump (and to a lesser extent the rest of the band) in "Dance Dance".
- Fading into the Next Song: "Favorite Record" into "Immortals."
- The "Fun" in "Funeral": Patrick tries to make the guests happy and make them sing at Pete's (apparent) funeral in "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race".
- Fun with Acronyms: Averted by "w.a.m.s." Not only is "wams" not a word, but the band has also never said what it stands for, making it an entirely pointless acronym (some have speculated that it stands for "Writer/Actor/Model/Singer," though the band rejected this notion).
- "G.I.N.A.S.F.S." actually stands for "Gay Is Not A Synonym For Shitty", but was censored to an abbreviation before its release as a bonus track for Infinity on High.
- Gainax Ending: A few songs end with strange chant-like poems as a last verse. One of the most odd examples would be 'Twenty Dollar Nose Bleed' which is an upbeat pop song otherwise.
- Getting High on Their Own Supply: Referenced in "Wilson (Expensive Mistakes)":If we hadn't done this thing, I think I'd be a medicine manSo I could get high on my own supply whenever I can
- Hates Being Alone: "7 Minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)" is partially about this. For example, the chorus is:I'm sitting out dances on the wall
Trying to forget anything that isn't you
I'm not going home alone
'Cause I don't do too well on my own
Did ever love her? Do you know?
- And from "Jet Pack Blues":
Or did you never want to be alone?
- Hidden Depths: "You're Crashing, But You're No Wave" was written about Fred Hampton, Jr., a black nationalist activist arrested for having allegedly committed arson and whose father, the leader of the Black Panthers, was gunned down by police in his home without a proper trial. Mind you, this is only really hidden depths for those who weren't aware of Fall Out Boy's background in hardcore punk, where subjects like this tend to be addressed more often... only a lot more directly than Pete's usual approach to lyric writing. If you ever hear a Fall Out Boy song where Pete just starts growling out a verse, that's the hardcore showing. Heck, even Patrick can do unclean vocals when he wants to. And then there's the PAX AM Days EP...
- Another example of the trope that makes more sense if you're aware of the band's background: the song "20 Dollar Nose Bleed" is about a veteran of the Iraq War who became addicted to drugs. The second verse is about George W. Bush, and it isn't... praising, to say the least.
- High-School Dance: In the video (and the lyrics) for "Dance, Dance".
- Incredibly Long Note: Patrick has "range like no motherfucker knows" and it shines through every other song. The Mighty Fall may be one of the most amazing range showing songs.
- "The Take Over, The Break's Over" has a very impressive long note/a very impressive long "fair".
- Shown in spades after the release of "Centuries," with one of the most impressive range displays thus far.
- Incompatible Orientation: "Sugar, We're Goin Down" is said by some to have originally been about this, as the lyrics in the liner notes say "Wishing to be the friction in his jeans" instead of "in your jeans"; the song also includes references to "watching [a couple making love] from the closet" and "sleeping for the wrong team."
- Intercourse with You: "Death Valley", "Uma Thurman", "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" and referenced in plenty of their other songs.
- It's All About Me: Seen in the chorus of "I Don't Care".I don't care what you think as long as it's about me
- Location Song: "Lake Effect Kid" and "City in a Garden" are about their hometown Chicago.
- Lonely Together: "Alone Together". Pete mentioned the main theme being how "Music never leaves you alone, and punk rock will always be there when nothing else will", which considering the many friendships made due to their fans connecting with each other through their music and for those who say the band's music helped them through hard times, is especially fitting.
- Long Title: Part of their Signature Style. Many of their songs, some of which are parodies. A screenshot from a Tumblr post about them provides the page image.
- Love Is Like Religion:
- "Uma Thurman" is a heavily sexual song incorporating much religious imagery, the singer promising to "move mountains", "work a miracle", and "keep you like an oath" and expressing a desire to "confess" to his beloved.The blood, the blood, the blood of the lamb
Is worth two lions but here I am
- "Church":If you were church, I'd get on my knees
Confess my love, I'd know where to be
My sanctuary, you're holy to me
If you were church, I'd get on my knees
- "Uma Thurman" is a heavily sexual song incorporating much religious imagery, the singer promising to "move mountains", "work a miracle", and "keep you like an oath" and expressing a desire to "confess" to his beloved.
- Lyrical Cold Open: "Grand Theft Autumn/Where Is Your Boy" has one. "I'm Like a Lawyer...", too.
- Lyrical Dissonance: "7 Minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)," which is about Wentz's suicide attempt, is written to happy, fun music. It's quite misleading. Most of the lyrics on Infinity On High gets this treatment too.
- "Hum Hallelujah" is also about Wentz's suicide attempt, and similarly upbeat.
- Pete stated that "I Don't Care" was "Like the chorus says, 'I don't care what you think as long as it's about me.' It's that pop culture thing again, where people don't care about anything but the superficial, and I think there's something so tragic about that. I also thought there was something so ironically anthemic about the chorus, where it's not something you want to sing along to, because it's vacuous and empty. So I wanted something really anthemic underneath it, like something you'd hear at sports games or whatever, because I wanted people to hear it and be confronted with how empty that is. I didn't want anything to be superficial on this record unless the point was to point out superficiality."
- Lyrics/Video Mismatch: Constantly appearing in their music videos, ever since the Take This To Your Grave days. And it's only gotten more ridiculous from there.
- If anyone is willing to explain what "A Little Less Sixteen Candles, A Little More 'Touch Me'" has to do with vampire hunting, please enlighten us.
- And if anyone can see the connection between the lyrics of "Sugar, We're Going Down" and human-deer hybrids, that would seriously en-deer him/her to us. (The band originally kept getting video concepts that made just as much sense but were woefully generic, including one involving a pool party, so when the video treatment with good ol' Deer Boy came along, they leapt at it.)
- Let's not even get started with their Young Blood Chronicles series of music videos. Someone should give them a hand for keeping up with this trope for so long.
- When you make a cheesy basketball themed music video for a song about an unhealthy relationship, then make another video for it focusing on pug doggy shenanigans, then team up with Demi Lovato to kinda remake an *NSYNC music video? it's safe to say your band finds this trope Irresistible.
- Mondegreen: Because of Patrick's singing style, you sometimes won't know what the hell he's saying. This has started some common fandom in-jokes such Patrick being a little man, who's also evil and also into cats (by way of "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race") and the unofficial fandom holiday, Heavy Irish Pepper Day (by way of "Nobody Puts Baby In The Corner", which falls on February 4th each year.) The band and other acts associated with have acknowledged the mondegreen based in-jokes, most notably with having their official comeback in 2013 fall on Heavy Irish Pepper Day.
- Actually invoked with "Sugar, We're Goin' Down". Patrick's admitted to slurring the lyrics to the chorus, because he thought they sounded better.
- Now, courtesy of "Centuries", we have "We've been here forever and here's the frozen fruit."
- Mythology Gag: Fall Out Boy's "What a Catch, Donnie" has lines from several of their songs ("Grand Theft Autumn", "Sugar, We're Goin' Down", "Dance, Dance", plus others) sung in the background during the third stanza, by their friends in other bands from their label.
- Miniscule Rocking: PAX AM Days. Fitting a straightforward punk EP, none of the songs are over two minutes.
- Non-Appearing Title: Regarding their pre-hiatus discography, it would be easier to list their songs that don't do this. As a general rule, the longer the title, the less likely it is to appear in the song.
- Some notable exceptions: "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race", "Dance, Dance", "Sugar, We're Goin Down", "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs", "Dead On Arrival", "I Don't Care", "America's Suitehearts", "Hum Hallelujah", "Calm Before the Storm", "Saturday", "The Music or the Misery", "Honorable Mention", and "Parker Lewis Can't Lose". The last half of "Grand Theft Autumn/Where Is Your Boy" appears, but not the first half. There are a few others, but that's most of the exceptions. It's probably no coincidence that this looks like a list of their most popular songs.
- The band completely averted this post-hiatus until the release of M A N I A. Every song they released included the title in the lyrics, even the Overly Long Title "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light 'Em Up)." The only exception was the PAX AM Days track "We Were Doomed From the Start (The King is Dead)" which does, however, contain the subtitle in the lyrics.
- The trope is once again implemented in M A N I A with "Stay Frosty Royal Milk Tea"; "Bishop's Knife Trick"; and "Wilson (Expensive Mistakes)", in which the subtitle appears but not the title itself.
- No Such Thing as Bad Publicity: In-universe. The theme of "I Don't Care" ("I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me").
- Nervous Wreck: "I'm a nervous wreck" stated in "West Coast Smoker," but thoroughly implied in From Under The Cork Tree... and pretty much all the albums pre-hiatus.
- Non-Appearing Title: Out of their numerous long-titled songs, only "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" and "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light 'Em Up)" avoid this trope.
- Of Corpse He's Alive: The entire premise of the video for "Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown On A Bad Bet". Brendon and Spencer of Panic! at the Disco discover Pete's body and decide to take him out for a day of fun and then dump him back on the beach where they found him... minus Pete's effects.
- Our Lawyers Advised This Trope: The title of the first track on From Under The Cork Tree is a parody of this. (Though it is rumored that their lawyers actually did make them change the name of the song, from "My Name is David Ruffin...and These are The Temptations.")
- Overly Long Title: Pre-hiatus Fall Out Boy loved these as a means of standing out from the crowd, but eventually dumped them after enough people commenting on their long titles made them realize it was getting played out. Despite it being treated as a defining element of the band from some, long FOB song titles started becoming less prominent from Folie à Deux. One of the few post-hiatus examples of this is: "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light 'Em Up)". On the radio, it's usually referred to as "Light 'Em Up" to save time and space. All of this longrunning long song title talk might have given Fall Out Boy a small complex; Young and Menace was originally titled Young and a Menace, but they removed the "a" thinking that it might make the title too long for people.
- Lampshaded with Thnks fr the Mmrs, whose title was born from too many complaints from their label about their song title lengths.
- The Phoenix: "The Phoenix", which was the second song they released after returning from their hiatus.
- Pop Punk: Fall Out Boy are the Trope Codifiers for modern day Pop Punk (although a case could feasibly be made for Paramore). Unlike bands that came before them like Sum 41 and blink-182, they avoided puerile lyrics. They didn't shy away from goofball antics in their music videos, but the most immature of these were kept out, instead showing up in tour update videos and an infamous Jackass-style DVD called Release the Bats. This helped Fall Out Boy from getting pigeonholed, compared to blink-182 who had to deal with backlash and general confusion when they tried transitioning to more serious material, and also influenced acts like All Time Low to take a similar approach. They also adopted more of a sense of urgency, emo, and slight hardcore punk influence to their music. They also brought in a myriad of outside genre influences (most notably on Folie A Deux) and weren't afraid to acknowledge pop punk has pop in it. They also introduced a postmodern, Deadpan Snarker attitude to the lyrics and song titles, which heavily inspired a few bands afterward (most notably Panic! at the Disco). Their debut album Take This To Your Grave is considered one of the greatest and influential genre albums.
- Pun-Based Title: Quite a few early songs, though "Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends" stands out.
- Punctuated! For! Emphasis!: It being music, there's plenty. One example:This ain't a scene, it's a God! Damn! Arms! Race!
- Pungeon Master: Even a brief glance at their lyrics shows that Pete Wentz loves him some puns. A couple of best examples:"I'm just a painter and I'm drawing a blank""the man hangs, the jury doesn't""I couldn't bring myself to call / Except to call it quits"
- Recycled Lyrics: "I'll check in tomorrow/if I don't wake up dead" appears in both "Alone Together" and "Rat A Tat" from Save Rock and Roll. Justified in that the latter is referencing the former.
- Other instances of this trope being used as a Call-Back are "What a Catch, Donnie" on Folie a Deuxnote and "Save Rock and Roll" from the album of the same namenote .
- Rock Me, Amadeus!: "The Phoenix" samples Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7.
- Sampling: The band does it quite a bit.
- Self-Deprecation: "Our Lawyer Made Us Change The Name Of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" begins with the line "Brothers and sisters, put this record down" and continues in a similar vein. Fitting, considering it's the very first song on their sophomore album.
- Singer Name Drop: One of Fall Out Boy's songs is called "I Slept With Someone In Fall Out Boy And All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me". The title is never actually sung though.
- While Jay-Z doesn't drop his own name in the intro or outro for "Thriller", he does go YO! F-O-B! right before the song segues into "The Take Over, The Break's Over."
- Pete Wentz is name-dropped in "Saturday" (for which the majority of the lyrics were written by Stump).
- "Rat A Tat", which features Courtney Love, begins with the lyric "It's Courtney, bitch!"
- Studio Chatter: At the end of "Reinventing the Wheel to Run Myself Over", Patrick can be heard trying to yell the chorus and doing badly. The track ends with him and Pete laughing.
- Take That!: The ending of the "Uma Thurman" video, where Pete asks "Sarah" to do one last thing... to run over a truck labeled with Article 1, Section 36.03, Alabama's "Sanctity of Marriage Act" that banned same sex marriage in the state.
- Two out of Three Ain't Bad: This phrase is used in the song I'm Like A Lawyer with the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me and You):The best way to make it through / With hearts and wrists intact / Is to realize two out of three ain't bad / Ain't bad!
- Unexpected Character: Fall Out Boy has featured a surprising amount of rappers, for a punk band, including Jay-Z, Big Sean, Lil Wayne, and even 2Chainz.
- A remix for "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race" that was originally intended to be on Infinity on High featured Kanye West, but a remix of THAT remix also featured Paul Wall (who was their tourmate alongside +44 on the Honda Civic Tour), Skinhead Rob (of punk-rap group The Transplants, affiliated with blink-182 and +44), Travis McCoy (of Gym Class Heroes), Lil' Wayne (who'd later guest on Folie a Deux), Lupe Fiasco (who'd later have Patrick produce and do backing vocals for Little Weapon off his album The Cool and did guest vocals for the radio version of This City off of Patrick's solo album, Soul Punk) and Tyga (Travis McCoy's cousin, originally signed to Decaydance's little known rap imprint "Batsquad" alongside Gym Class Heroes for his first album No Introduction).
- Babyface produced "Thnks fr th Mmrs" and "I'm Like a Lawyer..." off of Infinity on High, and Pharrell produced "w.a.m.s." off of Folie a Deux.
- Word Salad Lyrics: A lot of Folie a Deux. Most of it has meaning assigned to it, but a lot of it sounds like complete nonsense without explanation. An example from "Headfirst Slide into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet":Tempest in a teacup
Peroxide princess shine like shark teeth
It's a sign (It's a sign)
It's a sign (It's a sign)
It's a sign - what if you peaked early?
- Some of their post-hiatus work, as well.
- Whole Plot Reference: The video for the version of "Irresistible" with Demi Lovato serves as a Whole Plot Reference and a pseudo-sequel to *NSYNC's video for "It's Gonna Be Me". The concept of the video not only allowed them to commentate on their status as "accepted underdogs" in the mid-2010s pop scene and give a respectful shout-out to one of the biggest boy bands ever, but also let them goof off with long time friend Demi Lovato and two-fifths of *NSYNC.
- The video for "Last of the Real Ones" is a Whole Plot Reference to Kanye West's "Flashing Light"s on top of being a Shot-for-Shot Remake; other than padding needed to fill the video run time[[note]"Flashing Lights" is 2:53, ending earlier than the album version of the song, while "Last of the Real Ones" is 3:49, the full length of the song[[/note]], "Last of the Real Ones" is just Flashing Lights but with llamas stabbing Pete Wentz to death in the trunk of a car with a shovel instead of Rita G stabbing 'Ye to death in the back of a car with a shovel. That and "Last of the Real One" has worse lighting conditions.
- Adorkable: Each member has their moments, but Patrick takes the cake.
- Cassandra Truth: During the filming of the video for "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark", 2Chainz posted a picture of him with Pete mentioning working on something with Fall Out Boy. Thing is, while Fall Out Boy was active as a band then, they had been working in secret and hadn't made an official comeback announcement yet. Despite Fall Out Boy being a band that has a long history of being surprisingly chummy with rappers note , the band has claimed that somehow no FOB fan believed that 2Chainz was telling the truth about the collaboration. This might have been less due to fans being collectively ignorant about Fall Out Boy's rap crossover background and more due to fans being fed up with the countless comeback rumors floating around during the band's hiatus. With various gossip websites and jokers like Beau Bokan setting off the fandom BS detector, the fans were bound to get it wrong at some point when someone actually told the truth. Patrick actually addressed this in a tweet: "One of these days there may actually be news and you won't be able to hear it over all the rumors."
- Cloudcuckoolander: All of them can be pretty out there sometimes, Andy in particular.
- Faux Yay: Pete Wentz and his labelmates, such as simulating oral sex on Brendon Urie, kissing Patrick on the neck during live shows, and being just affectionate towards guys. Possibly not so faux after all, as he claims to be bisexual but "isn't a fan of penises".
- Four-Temperament Ensemble
- Sanguine: Pete
- Choleric: Andy
- Melancholic: Patrick
- Phlegmatic: Joe
- Formerly Fat: Patrick. While not terribly overweight, Patrick was heavier from around the end of the From Under The Cork Tree album cycle to around Folie A Deux. Starting around the last tour they did before hiatus, due to health concerns, he dropped upwards of seventy pounds. His solo effort, Soul Punk, had him looking alarmingly slender, but after the hiatus he looks to have evened out quite nicely.
- Formerly Fit: As of 2019, he seems to be back to the weight he was pre-hiatus.
- Guyliner: One of the many reasons Pete got attention (both positive and negative) back in the day. He's long since stopped, but you'll still have people who either hate Fall Out Boy or haven't been paying attention to Fall Out Boy bringing it up as if it were still 2006. Heck, there are even some fans who REALLY want it back.
- Patrick wore eyeliner once or twice and Pete also had some fairly detailed face makeup going on during Folie a Deux touring.
- Brought back in their "Drunk History of Fall Out Boy" video, where Pete's eyeliner was apparently an important part of the band's history, according to Brendon of Panic! at the Disco. Since they're acting out Brendon's description, Pete puts it back on.
- Heterosexual Life-Partners: Pete and Patrick.Pete: me and Patrick can finish each others' sentences. this is what makes it so funny when people ask us if we care that you think the the other one is hotter or cooler, or how much everyone makes a big deal about who writes what or is where in photos. we dont care. that kid is my best friend and the rest of the world could blow up and fall out boy can break up and he still will be.
- Laser-Guided Amnesia: Back around the time that Save Rock and Roll came out, the guys stated that they know how to not fall into the pitfalls that they did from 2003-2008 (i.e. making new albums every 2 years, touring constantly on a hectic schedule around the world, and not taking enough breaks in between those). However, you'd swear they haven't, especially since they seem to have developed more problems, which is starting to affect their music production, as they seem physically and creatively burned out on MANIA from overextending themselves both by making a lot of music, touring, and marketing themselves to hell and back since 2013.
- Lead Bassist: Pete exemplified being a Type C pre-hiatus (to the point where interviewers sometimes thought he was the singer), but post-hiatus, Patrick, Andy, and Joe get a fairer share of attention (very much on purpose).
- Manly Tears: Drummer Andrew Hurley admitted in Rolling Stone to shedding some before what he wondered could be their final concert - the October 4, 2009 show at Madison Square Garden.
- Patrick would often shed these during and after singing "What a Catch, Donnie" on the Save Rock & Roll Arena Tour.
- Mixed Ancestry: Pete's half-black, with his mother and her entire family being Afro-Jamaican.
- Most Writers Are Male: Some of Wentz's lyrics are uncomfortably unsporting and spiteful regarding ex-girlfriends, but aren't necessarily aimed at women in general. This is toned down on later albums, though. Fan consensus assumes that was due to his getting married to Ashlee Simpson, his chilling out as a result, and it generally not being acceptable for a newlywed to publicly bitch about exes anymore. His divorce hasn't changed this: only one of the songs on Save Rock and Roll is about the divorce and he's stated as writing it from a more adult perspective rather than simply lashing out.
- Odd Friendship: Fall Out Boy gets on well with rappers, rappers get on well with Fall Out Boy, and regardless of the numerous times it has happened almost always gets a confused reaction from people.
- Off-Model: You ever wanted talking plush toys of the band? Good news, they exist! Bad news, The actual band member resemblance◊ is varying extents of awful. Ironically, they were made by SOTA Toys, who made on-model Fall Out Boy action figures◊ only a few years before they made the plushies. (And yes, Pete Wentz's face DOES work that way.)◊
- Pop-Cultural Osmosis Failure: Fall Out Boy is known for making various references to pop culture in their song titles and interviews, but due to the constant influx of younger fans coming into the fandom over the course of a decade, some of them are bound to either not get the reference or assume that when people are making reference to the original media that it's actually a reference to the band, mixed in with a little Older Than They Think.
- Back when "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" was getting major radio traction, more pedantic people were quick to note that any references made to being "#1 with a bullet" were more likely a reference to the Billboard charts than the song.
- The title for "Coffee's For Closers" is a reference to Glengarry Glen Ross. When confronted with people on Twitter who thought that one of his tweets was a reference to the song and not to the play/film, Mark Hoppus proceeded to keep a cool head...and make another Glengarry Glen Ross reference.
- Their This Is Spın̈al Tap-themed live performance on Conan got some fans spooked when Pete got "stuck" in one of the pods... Not even Harry Shearer showing up seemed to tip people off that it was staged. Thankfully, Team Coco provided a link to the exact scene in Spinal Tap that FOB was referencing in their performance for the benefit of those who didn't get the reference and also didn't get the show where they're at.
- Thankfully averted whenever the band makes references to John Hughes movies. Also averted when fans pointed out the resemblance of FOB's costumes in the "Irresistible" video to the costumes in White Men Can't Jump.
- Pretty Boy: Post-weight loss, Patrick looked slim and fairly feminine. Even before then, he still had feminine traits that kept evoking the Stupid Sexy Flanders from the fandom. Pete can back us up on that.
- Pete Wentz, from 2005-2009. There's a reason he got pegged as the "teen heartthrob of the band", it wasn't even intentional on his part.
- Real-Person Fic: Scores of slash on Livejournal. Patrick/Pete (also known as Peterick) is the OTP of many, and much of it shockingly well written.
- Patrick doesn't mind people making fanfic or shipping. What he does mind is constantly getting questions about it on Twitter. This is done usually done by people who don't know about his prior tweets stating his opinion, people trolling for validation by way of a reply instead of asking a proper question, and, well, trolls. Pete probably gives the less cares about shipping than the actual band, what with him deliberately being a Ship Tease but... just ask the band questions about things that don't involve shipping and fanfic in general. The band (and fanfic writers) will be grateful.
- They've been having this thrown at them since From Under The Cork Treenote , though the accusations really started to pick up around Infinity on Highnote . Fall Out Boy's tendency for Genre Roulette and adapting to the pop music landscape over the years leads to the brunt of the accusations, mostly from fans of their first two albums, which were straightforward pop punk albums. Post-hiatus specific accusations of this come from experimenting with orchestration and synths, which some feel is at the expense of their main instrumentation, similar to prior complaints about the use of drum machines on Folie a Deux. Some also note that there seems to be a larger emphasis on merch and marketing, such as the production of three separate music videos for one song ("Irresistible"), and constant touring (which was said to be one of the reasons for their hiatus).
- MANIA is another source of contention on this; notably, "Young and Menace" drew enough criticism for being a poorly executed attempt at EDM that the band were quick to say that it was the only song on the album like that, as to not scare more people off from checking out the album. They also had to delay the album by four months, although the general consensus is that final product doesn't seem to show any special effort or anything unusual for the band, which makes it appear to some people that they announced the album before they were very far into production just for the hype and simply hoped they'd finish the album by the date they set (which they didn't). Some critics have also derisively compared them to Maroon 5, a band widely regarded to have "sold out". (See the YMMV page for more on this.)
- Straight Edge: Andy Hurley.
- Supporting Leader: Pete. Although Patrick is the lead singer, Pete gets the most credit for being the songwriter and face of the band and is even sometimes miscredited as the singer. They're getting on a more equal level after the hiatus, however.
- Those Two Guys: Joe and Andy. Slightly less so after the hiatus, though Pete and Patrick still gain most of the attention.
- True Companions: The whole band is this to some extent, but it wasn't until after the hiatus that this became much more evident. The hiatus was partially due to not wanting their friendship to burn out to years of constant touring and making sure that Pete got to spend actual quality time with his son while he was still an infant. They still kept in touch during the hiatus and Andy and Joe even worked together in The Damned Things.
- If you're a band that's friends with Fall Out Boy for quite some time, you're pretty much set for life. Panic! at the Disco, The Academy Is, Gym Class Heroes, Cobra Starship, My Chemical Romance... they don't even have to tour or work together for years and they can still pick right back where they left off.
- Abandoned Hospital: Double Subverted in "Where Did the Party Go", which takes place in an abandoned hospital that doesn't actually seem to be creepy at all. Except the boys are running from Patrick, who is stalking the halls. Also, Patrick himself sees the hospital as a straight version of this trope.
- All There in the Manual: That... thing that was in the briefcase at the end of "Save Rock and Roll"? According to Pete's instagram, that thing's name is Xibalba.
- Anti-Climax: All of "The Mighty Fall" video qualifies - Big Sean gets killed before really doing anything, everyone spent most of the video running from crazy children, and Patrick's golden-eyed-devil thing is only briefly toyed with (though that was explored more in later installments).
- An Arm and a Leg: In "The Phoenix" video, Patrick loses his hand. If only they could have left it at limb loss...
- Anyone Can Die: Patrick, Pete, Joe, Andy, Big Sean, the little kid that delivered Patrick's hand to Pete, and even some of Fall Out Boy's kidnapped fans have been killed. However, just because anyone can die doesn't mean they stay dead.
- Black Dude Dies First: On the heroes' side - Big Sean, we hardly knew ye.
- Black Eyes of Evil: Foxes in the "Just One Yesterday" video.
- Blood from the Mouth: At the end of the "Miss Missing You" video, Patrick starts bleeding heavily from his mouth just before he dies.
- Brainwashed and Crazy: Patrick, whenever a certain sound is played.
- Cold-Blooded Torture: In "The Phoenix" music video, poor Patrick gets this treatment. This is followed by the "Young Volcanoes" and "Alone Together" videos, in which everyone else joins in.
- "Miss Missing You" had a non-band example of this happening In the background of Pete and Patrick's chase, some poor guy on a dog leash and chain gets pulled at and yelled by a much angrier and bigger man.
- Darker and Edgier: Compared to their previous videos. The second video, for "The Phoenix", features each member of the band being kidnapped by strange masked women and Patrick getting tortured with his hand cut off and sent to Pete's door in a plastic bag. Owwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Not for the squeamish. "Young Volcanoes" takes this even further. There is a warning on the video. Probably because of the topless woman wearing a pig mask. And the forced drug use. And the forced cannibalism. And then, even MORE with "Alone Together." Where all four guys are captured and tortured, Pete kills one of the girls, and Patrick gets turned evil. And the dial might as well broke off when "Where Did the Party Go" came out what with Patrick killing Joe. By the end, the whole band dies and just when you think it's gonna get lighter and softer for a chance at Earn Your Happy Ending, that THING in the briefcase comes to try and slaughter FOB's old and new fans, until FOB lays the smackdown on him, staining Elton John's nice white suit in the process.
- Deliberately Monochrome: The video for "Miss Missing You". According to Pete and Patrick's VH1 commentary, it was deliberately that way to make the trailer park occupants seem less narmy and also due to a lack of natural light in later scenes.
- Diabolus ex Nihilo: Let's face it, most people weren't expecting the briefcase to contain a being that's either a Humanoid Abomination or just pure evil to appear, kill a bunch of people and then get killed (or not?) by Fall Out Boy. There was no foreshadowing for this because, according to the VH1 commentary, they only just decided to set up the idea of there being a darker group besides Courtney Love's and a sinister being inside the briefcase with the final video. The situation is also glaring in that whatever the boys are seeing in the briefcase during "The Phoenix" video is definitely not what was in the briefcase in "Save Rock and Roll".
- Downer Ending: One set of downer endings after another. To go through in order: "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark" features FOB about to be lit on fire while bound and blindfolded in the back of a van, in "The Phoenix" all four of the guys are captured and Patrick's hand is cut off, "Young Volcanoes" isn't too bad, but it shows that they were eating Patrick's organs, in "Alone Together" the guys are tortured then shoved in the aforementioned van, "The Mighty Fall" isn't too bad either, but Big Sean is dead, in "Just One Yesterday" Patrick is brainwashed and crazy and trying to kill the rest of the band, in "Where Did the Party Go," Patrick kills Joe, in "Death Valley," Patrick is recaptured by the girls, in "Rat a Tat," Patrick is rebrainwashed and chasing down Pete while Andy gets his throat slit, in "Miss Missing you," Patrick and Pete kill each other in their fight, and "Save Rock and Roll" could be one depending on whether or not you think they survived their fight with Xibalba.
- Whether or not you think "Save Rock and Roll" has one depends on whether or not you think the band survived the confrontation with Xibalba or not.
- Dying as Yourself: So thoroughly averted that Patrick stays Brainwashed and Crazy even in the afterlife. It takes being brought to heaven to snap him out of it.
- Evil Is Not a Toy: The cloaked, masked figures wanted that thing in the briefcase to spread chaos and discord, only to immediately change their minds after the first thing it did after being summoned was to decapitate one of them.
- Eye Colour Change: In the "Alone Together" video, Patrick's eyes are turned to a golden yellow through mysterious methods. It happens to him again throughout later videos.
- Foxes does this as well, though hers turn completely black.
- Forced to Watch: Very subtly in "Young Volcanoes". Patrick is the only one not wearing a blindfold while the women feed them all Patrick's organs.
- Also part of Patrick's brainwashing in "Rat a Tat." The women set him up in front of a projector which displays a bunch of images he can't seem to look away from.
- For the Evulz: The main motivation for the cloaked and masked group in "Save Rock and Roll" to use the briefcase to summon a creature that just so happens to ALSO do something for the evulz. That thing is indiscriminate slaughter.
- Gainax Ending: Just what was that THING in the briefcase? Did Fall Out Boy win? Did that thing win? Was that a Kill Em All ending? Bolivian Army Ending?
- Hellevator: In "Death Valley", the elevator can go to both Heaven and Hell... but this is the Youngblood Chronicles, do you honestly think Heaven is an option? It is.
- Hell Is That Noise / Brown Note: In-Universe in "The Mighty Fall" video. Patrick has a case of this when the little kid who helped kidnap him starts chasing him with an old-school boombox, implying that Patrick knows what it's for. The kid turns it on, which plays something the audience doesn't hear but Patrick does and he turns evil as a result before Big Sean comes in, snaps the kid's neck and turns the boombox off, turning Patrick back to normal and leaving him confused. The noise shows up again and has the same effect in the "Just One Yesterday" video. In the commentary for the "Miss Missing You" video, the evil Patrick hears a girl playing with radio signals and tries to attack until Pete stops him. In the VH1 commentary, Patrick notes the "evil" version of his had been conditioned to hate music and therefore treats ANY music as a Brown Note.
- A Hell of a Time: Donuts with sprinkles, hot women, and devil!Tommy Lee.
- Hook Hand: Patrick, after his left hand is chopped off for being handcuffed to the MacGuffin.
- Hope Spot: In the "Death Valley" video. It might end with Patrick getting taken away by the female goons and Joe is still dead, but more importantly, Pete and Andy now know just who the hell they're up against, and they have weapons.
- In "Just One Yesterday." The band finally gets back together (and the reunion is pretty adorable too) and are heading to the hospital. At least, until Foxes turns once they get to the hospital...
- In "Save Rock and Roll", the band is saving the day and everyone else with The Power of Rock until that thing in the briefcase is summoned...
- I'm a Humanitarian: In the "Young Volcanoes" video, the band (under the influence of drugs), eats human organs. PATRICK'S organs.
- Instrument of Murder: Granted to Pete and Andy by a rebel member of Courtney Love's gang (a bass neck shiv and a snare drum crossbow, respectively) in the "Death Valley" video and to the whole band by God!Elton John in Save Rock and Roll, merely regular instruments with the ability to channel heavenly laser powers.
- Humanoid Abomination: Xibalba, which just so happened to be summoned from the briefcase. Looks somewhere between a plague doctor and death itself. A picture of it that Pete posted on Instagram has Pete claiming it's gonna be on the upcoming summer tour with Paramore, so not even REALITY is safe from it!
- Just for Pun: Patrick's hand gets cut off in the music video for "The Phoenix". All he's left with is a Stump.
- Kill the Ones You Love: In "Miss Missing You", Pete kills a Brainwashed and Crazy Patrick. Not that it does him any good..
- Ki Manipulation: In the "Save Rock and Roll" video, the band channels it in their guitars to defeat Courtney Love's gang and grant them all a HeelFace Turn. When they confront Xibalba, one of the last things seen before the cut to Elton John getting drenched in blood is Pete throwing a strong energy wave right at it.
- Made of Evil: Hinted at in the VH1 commentary for Xibalba, the thing in the briefcase.
- The Man Behind the Man: According to Pete and Patrick's VH1 commentary, those masked, cloaked people that do that creepy ceremony with the briefcase in "Save Rock and Roll" aren't part of Courtney Love's gang. Courtney apparently had anti-creative ideas drilled into her head when she was younger and is leading a group of Well Intentioned Extremists convinced that the boys are bad news. These cloaked figures just want what's in that suitcase For the Evulz and might have been manipulating Love's group for that exact purpose.
- Mythology Gag: In the video for "My Songs...", 2Chainz burns some drums, drumsticks, one of Pete's basses, a mic stand, the From Under the Cork Tree album, a Black Clouds and Underdogs tour t-shirt, the Take This To Your Grave vinyl, some old TTTYG-era FOB merch, the ***: Live In Phoenix CD/DVD, the Evening Out With Your Girlfriend EP, and issues of Fall Out Toy Works. This wasn't intended as a Take That! to any of those things (except for EOWTG, which Patrick acknowledged that he "wanted it burned" in the VH1 commentary), they just burned stuff there was plenty of copies of and/or could be easily replaced.
- The opening narration to "Miss Missing You" is actually reversed text on the back cover of Save Rock and Roll.
- Opening Scroll: "Save Rock and Roll" has one.
- Rape as Drama: The boys are repeatedly kidnapped and/or sexually assaulted by gorgeous women. Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male absolutely does not apply, and it's treated as appropriately traumatizing.
- Sealed Evil in a Can: Xibalba, or as it could more appropriately be called, sealed evil in a briefcase.
- Stairway to Heaven: Nearly this for Joe... then one of the kids that got offed in "Alone Together" video switches the direction the elevator is going in...
- It shows up again after Patrick dies, but Elton John as God bails the whole band out.
- Strapped to an Operating Table: Patrick in "The Phoenix".
- Summoning Ritual: What the cloaked, masked group in "Save Rock and Roll" does with the briefcase, complete with evil sacrament and bloodletting.
- Supernatural Gold Eyes: When Patrick's eyes are this color, he hallucinates zombies. And then murders his bandmates.
- Surreal Music Video: An 11 part series, featuring such as Pete Wentz vomiting up a snake, forced drug usage and consumption of organs while people in pig mask dance around the band, little girls lobbing produce at Joe in a straitjacket for no apparent reason, the contrast between Big Sean's verse in The Mighty Fall and the way he gets KILLED when he's singing it and MORE.
- Tears of Remorse: Once Patrick snaps out of a Brainwashed and Crazy episode at the end of "Where Did The Party Go" and realizes that he killed Joe, he breaks down in tears while Pete en Andy look on in shock.
- Thing-O-Meter: The Evil-Meter in "Alone Together".
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Courtney and her gang, according to Pete and Patrick's VH1 commentary.