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  • Monkey Island: Guybrush Threepwood, when he's not being saved by Elaine or showing occasional random intelligence.
  • Jimmy Hopkins from Bully may be a subversion. Possibly just Brilliant, but Lazy as he does have the intelligence to ace every class as well as the charisma to score with every girl (and a couple of guys) in school. Although he seems to wise up as the game progresses. Russell is a straight version of this, after his Heel–Face Turn.
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  • Andy from the two first Advance Wars games.
  • Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia, who really takes the Idiot Hero → Fool → Messiah evolution to a whole new level of exaggeration, insofar as he actually sprouts wings near the end of the game.
    • Subverted. He is absolutely Book Dumb, but he is very competent when it comes to crafting. As the game goes on, he proves to be a competent leader and other characters sometimes remark that he's better at making quick decisions than them. Some of this is Character Development.
    • Colette is also an example, and she also happens to be The Chosen One.
  • Tales of the Abyss protagonist Luke fon Fabre. Although he becomes a better person after his Important Haircut he still has plenty of moments that prompt someone, usually Tear, to tell him that he's an idiot.
    • It should be stressed again - Luke is mentally seven years old, due to the whole Cloning Blues thing. When you see it from this perspective, he's quite smart for his age.
      • Further subverting Luke's Idiot Hero status is the fact that, in addition to having to learn everything from scratch over the past seven years (including walking, talking, and the faces of his family) he spent the entirety of those seven years being locked in his mansion with his family, closest friend and beloved teacher doing their best to keep him from getting any info about the outside world, ostensibly for his own security but actually because they're either plotting to eventually trick him into being a suicide bomber, kill him and his family, or both. Seriously, can you blame the poor kid?
  • But before that, Tales Series has its own first Idiot Hero in form of country-bumpkin Stahn Aileron. His genes of Idiot Hero is passed down to his son Kyle Dunamis.
    • Reid from Tales of Eternia as well, but that's mostly in the first half of the game, where his stomach is bigger than his brain.
  • From Disgaea:
    • From Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, we have Captain Gordon, Defender of Earth!. He's a celebrated champion of justice who has saved the Earth and brought down many villains in his backstory. He's also something of a good-natured blowhard who's eagerness and ego tend to override forethought; When planning to escape from Laharl's enslavement, he hoped to steal the spaceship he used to enter the Netherworld, only to realize that said ship was destroyed when he and his crew crashlanded, something said crew already remembered.
    • Adell from Disgaea 2. Adell is far from an idiot in most matters that don't conflict with his Honor Before Reason out-look on life... but — as noted by Rozalin in the page quote — having that outlook seems practically suicidal, given that he is the only human left in a world overrun by demons. This makes him both a perfect, defining example of this trope and a subversion of it at the same time, if that makes sense. He has proven capable of providing great insight, and can solve complex Geopuzzles within seconds without even thinking too hard, which astounds his most recent friends (who thought of him as a more archetypical idiot). He even lampshades this himself a few times: it's not that he doesn't see the problems with his approach to things, it's that his code of honor won't let him do anything other than formally challenging his enemies head-on, so he puts those problems out of his mind and proceeds on faith. Also worth noting is that Adell is the Only Sane Man of the game, and he knows it.
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    • Axel plays it straight in his storyline in Dark Hero Days. Practically the entire plot is driven by his own stupidity; his tendency towards jumping to conclusions getting him on the bad side of the media after he beats up numerous other actors whom he mistook for a threat and consistently botching his attempts at getting a new job.
    • Valvatorez from Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten acts like this; he gets obsessed over minute details, obsessed with sardines, and tends to believe almost everything he's told. In a DLC plotline detailing his first meeting with Fenrich, he's explained how he's managed to survive so long with this mindset; He's so strong he's never needed to think things through.
  • Junpei Iori from Persona 3. One of the rare non-central protagonist cases. He tends to make up for his idiocy with pure heart, but not always.
    • While Junpei displays astounding levels of Book Dumb, he straightforward approach to problems usually gets him through. However, he displays some truly amazing (for him) insights into situations and people that imply he might be smarter than he looks.
  • Atsuma from Enchanted Arms. An especially bad case in that he has to be taught how to, among other things, use ladders and swim across shallow water. To his credit, he does get the hang of swimming right away, but still...
  • Yuri from Shadow Hearts and its sequel. Deviates from the norm in that he's a badass who also serves as a Lampshade Hanging Straight Man to the inherent weirdness of the Shadow Hearts universe.
  • Beat from The World Ends with You. Example: After discovering a box with a button on it, Beat happily presses it, despite knowing it was left by the main antagonists. Neku puts it best when he says "I think they design traps like this with you in mind."
    • There's also the manner of his death, when he tried to save his sister from a speeding car by jumping in front of her to shield her from the impact. Even he admits that this one was pretty stupid.
  • Forget what you've heard about Flonne... Heart Aino from Arcana Heart is the naive Love Freak dialled Up to Eleven.
  • Roger Wilco from Space Quest isn't the sharpest tool in the janitor closet. The only reason he manages to momentarily escape his janitorial vocation in Space Quest V is because he cheats on a test and a mouse chews up the wires in the test's scoring computer. Still, the guy managest to step up to the plate and save the galaxy more times than he's had showers because he has the Indy Ploy down to a science.
    • Roger's stupidity suffered from Flanderization starting in the fourth game. Prior to that, he wasn't so much stupid as lazy and incredibly ineffectual at his job. It's only when he steps outside his job description that he really shines, though his janitorial skills do come in handy at times.
  • The Apprentice from Orcs Must Die! is a deconstruction of just what makes the Idiot Hero so charming. He is utterly fearless and sees being being the Last of His Kind against The Horde as if it were more of a personal challenge. Based on his game banter he is clever enough to improvise and learn on his own. He's also a little Genre Savvy.
  • Final Fantasy:
    • Laguna from Final Fantasy VIII is an Idiot Hero compared to a serious and stoic Squall. At least his story is served as a Lighter and Softer chapters and foil to the main story. How bad is he? His two buddies snark him all the time for his idiocy.
      Laguna: So, we need to go this way?
      Vaan: We just came from there. We need to go this way.
      Laguna: ...I knew that. Just testing ya.
    • Tidus' unfamiliarity with the world of Spira (although he has a good reason) and his relentless cheer (not as good) made an Idiot Hero out of him for a good portion of the plot. At least, until The Reveal of Yuna's Pilgrimage made him realize the seriousness of the situation.
    • Yuna doesn't get off easily either. Her extreme unwillingness not to tell her Guardians about the sphere she retrieved from Jyscal and her subsequent actions regarding it are responsible for absolutely every non-Sin related bit of bad that happens to them between Guadosalam and Zanarkand, and that includes all of the lives lost in Home, St Bevelle, and Mt Gagazet. You can argue that Seymour wouldn't have just turned tail and given up which would have eventually had led to a conflict no matter what she did, but it is also true that the level-headed Lulu and Auron would have approached the situation far differently than she did, delaying any confrontation with Yevon until they were much better prepared for it.
    • Snow from Final Fantasy XIII qualifies as this, especially near the beginning, because heroes don't need plans!
    • Bartz is written like this in Dissidia Final Fantasy, where he is portrayed as a guy that can find the fun in any situation, and gleefully does. This doesn't make him take a given situation any less seriously, he just likes to put a positive spin on it. Sometimes to the point of idiocy. (Apparently the writers took Ghido's insults as gospel.)
      Zidane: Bartz, do you even have any idea where you're going? If you only focus on what's right in front of you, you'll never see the route ahead!
      Bartz: Eh, I don't mind a little aimless wandering. In fact, it's what I do best! Besides, since there're all these guys trying to stop us, we must be going the right way!
      Zidane: ...Is this guy for real?
  • Lyner Barsett of Ar tonelico, in both general intelligence and romance. In an early part of the game, upon being told by a companion that he will have to learn Item Crafting to defeat enemies immune to physical attacks, he protests, "But I can do it if I just put my spirit into it!" In keeping with the trope, he becomes a All-Loving Hero by the end of the game, having united the world's various divided factions he's met throughout his journey and convincing Mir to give up her plans to Kill All Humans.
  • Yuna Kagurazaka, lead character of Galaxy Fraulein Yuna. In the first game, Elner is frequently chiding her for getting distracted or not using her head; Yuna mostly matures out of it later on.
  • Jack from Radiata Stories.
  • The hero from AdventureQuest acts like a moron most of the time. For more humorous quests, this is due to the Rule of Funny. In more serious storylines, it's usually justified as Obfuscating Stupidity. Regardless, it gets a little weird when a mage with 200 intellect is falling for Zorbak's latest zany scheme.
  • Lan from Mega Man Battle Network.
  • Resident Evil – Code: Veronica's Steve. While he lasted, anyway.
  • Edy Nelson from Valkyria Chronicles is this, surprisingly enough. In her DLC, she and a small detachment get separated from the squad because she went Leeroy Jenkins on the Imperials. As it turns out, most of the squad were scattered, so Welkin orders all those separated to regroup, but when she heard that Imperial forces were attacking a nearby village she tells the group with her to attack, ignoring the fact that the enemy has tanks and their group only has Jann. Later, she hears that Rosie got shot so she ran across the battlefield just to make sure she's okay, afterwards claiming that she did that because she can't let anything happen to Rosie until she surpassed her on the stage.
    • The hero of Valkyria Chronicles II, Avan Hardins, takes this to Up to Eleven levels in that he scored a negative ten on his last exam, according to his backstory. In fact, he's so stupid, some fans have begun theorizing that he's batshit insane. It's worth noting that he's the only example of this among the franchise's main heroes, with the others being highly capable tacticians.
  • Nikki from Mana Khemia Alchemists Of Alrevis. She's not too idiotic, but very impulsive. She also has Idiot Hair that seems to "overreact" as much as she does...
    • While we're on Mana Khemia, Ulrika from Mana-Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy fits this trope even better, especially intelligence-wise. At one point in the game, Ulrika takes a look at little Enna's lesson book and she doesn't understand a single bit of information written on the book, much to Enna's and Chloe's shock.
  • DeathSpank is a satirical example.
  • Sanada Yukimura from Sengoku Basara is young, naive, and very Hot-Blooded. He rarely thinks things through or comes up with battle strategies, which results in getting punched repeatedly by his master. However he does mature somewhat throughout the series.
  • In spite of the quote above, The Legend of Zelda's Link is a subversion when he might appear to qualify at all: while there's plenty of swordplay in Zelda games, the meat of the experience is puzzle solving, whether getting past obstacles or figuring out the trick to the Boss Battle.
  • Bowser in Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story plays the role of an Idiot Villain Protagonist prone to incredible moments of baffling stupidity. However he usually manages to bounce back (usually thanks to Mario and Luigi working their magic inside his body) and turn an Idiot Ball into an opportunity for a Moment of Awesome or a Funny Moment.
    • The fandom loves to portray Mario himself this way.
  • There are idiot heroes, and then there is Ethan Kairos of Time Hollow. When his friend Morris tells him of a book about parallel universes that might greatly inform his current predicament, Ethan thinks about it for a moment - then decides he can't be bothered to retrieve it from their clubhouse and wants to go to a nearby antique shop instead. He routinely, stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the blindingly obvious and just as often fails to do anything to follow the leads that are actively handed to him. He's also a bit of an unlikable prick.
  • Fallout and Fallout 2 were filled with conversation options to allow for the player to be the Idiot Hero, and you can even lower your INT below 4 and have your character be mentally stunted. While Fallout 3 didn't have this option, Fallout: New Vegas writes it back in (possibly owing to the fact its developers include Black Isle refugees and thus are fond of making throwbacks to the first two games), albeit in a somewhat more limited degree than its predecessors.
    • In New Vegas, having an extremely low Intelligence score causes your character to be barely mentally functioning, unable to speak proper English ("I is scientistic.") and it actually makes the game easier at some points (for instance, Arcade Gannon will join you, since he feels sorry for you). While possible in the earlier Fallout games, your character will not be able to do the majority of side quests.
    • Fallout arguably provides a Deconstruction of this trope. As stated, you will be locked out of a lot of quests and rewards as most NPCs will treat you as a joke. Plus you'll probably end up screwing over a lot of people in your attempts to "help" them.
  • Likewise Arcanum. 'Idiot Savant', 'Frankensten's Monster' and 'Bride of Frankenstein' backgrounds allowed for a subversion, highly intelligent characters with total communication incompetence.
  • In Atelier Annie, while he is obviously not the hero of the story, Kilbert is a send-up for this character type.
  • Last Scenario, being deliberately designed to see how you can turn a Cliché Storm into very deep and moving plot, has one of these in Hilbert, who has a lower Intelligence then the rest of the party at game start. True to the game's form, his initial naivete is gradually transformed into insight, making him increasingly good at the Batman Gambit.
  • All playable characters in Touhou are some degree of this, but most are not full-blown idiots. Youmu would be a fairly archetypal example except she's not the main character. Reimu is the main character, but lacks most of the positive qualities associated with the trope. Marisa has the basic personality, but is actually fairly clever and knowledgeable (despite openly claiming to be stupid). And Sanae is an airhead. Cirno acts the part fairly well (even getting a whole memetic fansong about how stupid she is in Cirno's Math Class), but she's only good at combat relative to other fairies. Aya is very determined to get her photos and acts like a ditz a lot otherwise, but in regards to canon she's actually scarily smart as the still-canon spinoffs show (She manages to take advantage of Reimu's general neutrality in Forbidden Scrollery). Even Sakuya has her moments of this, like failing to understand what the word 'mastermind' means, mistaking ordinary crows for crow tengu or most notably, opening a window in space, despite her usual personality being otherwise.
  • Rayman seems to fit this trope in Rayman Origins. He was also a bit of a Cloudcuckoolander in the original game.
  • Battleblo from ClaDun: This is an RPG! His goal in life is to seek out the "ultimate shield" so that he can defeat his rival Sunday, an Action Girl in search of the "ultimate sword". In-story, he uses shields as a means to solve all of his problems.
  • Kirby, a Cloudcuckoolander in his own right, is quite fond of being an Idiot Hero as well, simply because there are some times where he goes around in a quest to solve a problem whose real source he doesn't know anything about. For example, in Kirby's Adventure and its remake, Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land, he thinks King Dedede tried to mess with everyone's dreams by stealing the Star Rod from the Fountain of Dreams, breaking it apart and giving each of its seven pieces to one of his friends, but he doesn't know that Dedede was actually hiding it safely away from the real culprit responsible for the problems in Dream Land, a vampire-like wraith called Nightmare who rode the currents of the fountain, wreaking havoc and tormenting Dream Land's citizens.
    • Also, there's Kirby: Squeak Squad, where he chases after the Squeaks thinking they stole his strawberry shortcake. But Meta Knight knows the secret of said treasure chest that Kirby doesn't know about - the chest is the prison of Dark Nebula, the ruler of the underworld (Lord of Darkness in the Japanese version). Hence, why Meta Knight snatched the chest before Kirby could take it back from Daroach.
  • Usually the playable from most Artix Entertainment games will be this, particularly DragonFable and AdventureQuest Worlds, except when they're being the Only Sane Man.
  • Ragna the Bloodedge of BlazBlue is, as his stalker Rachel says, quite a moron and as foolish as always because he has a foul mouth and curses too much and has a tendency to run headlong into trouble. He has quite an "I will do what I want" attitude, and when other people try to convince him to refrain from trying to do what they think is impossible, he refuses to listen and just keeps on going - because he never gives up, no matter what the future has in store for him.
    • There's also Bang Shishigami, who is similar to Ragna in that he charges into situations without thinking things through. He also does some extremely stupid things in his pursuit of good, like attacking Iron Tager because he looks like he might do something evil some day. Yes, seriously.
      • This saves his life when he fights Arakune. Arakune usually eats his defeated foes... but he passes up Bang because he thinks devouring an idiot will endanger his quest for knowledge.
      • And again later on, Played for Drama. When the villains lose the ability to use continuum shifts as a Gambit Roulette cheat sheet, Terumi realizes far too late he can't actually predict Bang's unique train of thought in real time, making him a massive chaos factor in a very delicate evil scheme.
    • There's also Taokaka who is a borderline The Ditz. She can't understand longer words, often forgets things after a few seconds, and when she attempted to go bounty-hunting for Ragna, she ended up befriending him just because he bought her some food. She also humorously doesn't get that "Rawrgna" and Ragna are the same person.
    • Lastly, there's Makoto, who is probably a subversion. While she appears to be a simple-minded Manchild at first, it's implied several times over the course of the games that she's actually quite intelligent, but for some reason she just acts like she isn't. For example, she's the only person in the NOL who doesn't trust Hazama. Sure enough, she's The Mole for Sector Seven and was acting the idiot to keep most of NOL off her case. She's actually extremely sharp and one of the very few people so dangerous to Hazama's plans he'll drop all pretense and just kill her given the opportunity.
  • Ladies and gentlemen, we have the reigning queen of stupidity: surprisingly enough, Spiritia Rosenberg of Rosenkreuzstilette. She has quite the long list ahead of her. For starters, being an Expy of Mega Man, she is naive, as pointed out by her colleagues (some of them even think her naivete could be her fatal flaw) - naive enough to believe that Iris really is a kind, innocent girl who wouldn't even hurt a flea. When her friends at RKS start a war against the Holy Empire, she does the whole "Swiper, No Swiping!" deal with everyone without knowing that Iris actually started the war between both factions just For the Evulz and without snooping around to get to the bottom of the madness (at least she does what she thinks is right). And then there's the moment in Rosenkreuzstilette Grollschwert where Tia tries to stop Grolla from killing Iris herself believing that she was a sweetheart. Grolla knows otherwise from her own personal experience. And, to top it all off, she is quite clumsy and is a TERRIBLE swimmer. Yes, you heard us. A TERRIBLE SWIMMER.
    Sepperin: (To Tia) Hmph. Such naivete. You are still a child, after all...
    • There is also Luste Teuber, self-proclaimed hero of justice and just as much of an idiot as Spiritia. High points of her idiot-heroism include not realizing she is really in the role of a villain, proudly proclaiming that destruction is a fun activity (as opposed to saving things) and wearing basicly nothing in the first game and then technically wearing even less in the sequel. At least she is Genre Savvy about the fact she is in a game and admits she doesn't get complicated stuff, prefering to just have fun which is actually kind of endearing.
  • Mortal Kombat gives us Shujinko and Taven, both of whom were exceedingly gullible. At least in Taven's case, he has the excuse of being a case of Sealed Good in a Can, awakening in a different realm after thousands of years of rest, and being attacked by everyone, including other heroes.
  • Dekar from the Lufia series. Forget his skill in battle—this is a man who cannot remember how to leave a room he just entered. (And that's just the least of it.)
  • There is also Wain, the protagonist of Lufia: The Legend Returns. He's dumb, stupid, doesn't understand sarcasm, and like to to mock around bad guys, not realizing it's bad for his health. Worse off, he's travelling with a very snarky maiden who loves to call him stupid. Being called stupid makes Wain go nuts.
    • And along with Wain is Deckard. Yes, he's an Expy of Dekar. His Establishing Character Moment is to declare that anyone on a pirate ship must be a pirate—a statement Wain can't help but to agree with.
  • Red from Solatorobo. Elh has good reason to call him "an idiot with a bad mouth".
  • Amitie "Amita" Florian of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable : The Gears of Destiny, who seems to have watched way too many Super Robot and Toku shows and believes that the only things you need to succeed in are Fighting Spirit! and Guts! and Hot Blood! Among other things, she accidentally causes a lot unnecessary confrontation with the older characters by pointing her guns at them at the beginning while asking for their help, gets immediately distracted when confronted by Arf because "Squee!~ Dog girl with dog ears and tail", and refuses medical attention for a virus because she states that Fighting Spirit and Guts are all you need to overcome. She also believes that she's a Super Hero, though she's more right about that last one since she's a Ridiculously Human Robot from the future who fights for her planet.
  • Ratchet from Ratchet & Clank has his moments. Notably in Size Matters, when Ratchet is completely confused as to why Luna has a latch on the back of "her" head with monitors and Technomites inside.
    Clank: Ratchet? Do you notice anything strange about Luna?
    Ratchet: Well, she does seem to have an unusually large door on the back of her head.
    Clank: And why do you think that is?
    Ratchet: Because she's a... uhm... robot..?
  • Averted wholesale in Xenoblade. The protagonist Shulk is actually quite intelligent, but is inexperienced. Even Reyn, who would normally be next in line for the title, is well-spoken and capable of reasoned debate despite his lack of book learning. You can count the total moments of protagonist stupidity that aren't due to misinformation or traps on one hand.
  • Computer technician and Idiot Hero Lance Galahad of Brain Dead 13 can be this, even in death scenes.
  • Commander Shepard from Mass Effect often came across like this especially in the first game because he/she was given the role of the Audience Surrogate and continually asked questions that should've be common knowledge to everyone in the universe. Later, s/he becomes extremely Genre Savvy and comes across more like a Genius Bruiser.
  • The Avatar in Ultima IX comes off as this, being told "Your knowledge of the land shall be great", but he has to be reminded of stuff that had already happened or things he himself has already done. Taken to Memetic levels when he asks, "What's a Paladin?" despite the fact that canonically not only could the Avatar had been a Paladin before he became the Avatar, but one of his closest friends who made a Heroic Sacrifice in a previous game, Dupre, was also a Paladin and he clearly remembers Dupre when the man is revived in this very game.
  • Star Wars: The Old Republic gives you several ways to act as this. This is sometimes quite amusing.
    • The Imperial Agent can be played as this. For example.
    • Thanks to Sequence Breaking (And the devs anticipating overleveled players skipping quests) you can say, ask "What's that creature type?", "What's going on in this world?", or "Who is this faction?" when a previous quest briefed you of such things.
    • The Evil Plan of The Foundry flashpoint is to destroy anyone with Sith DNA in them, which encompasses 99% of the Sith Empire. The player characters are able to say "Well, guess I should feel lucky" or "Good thing my species doesn't have any Sith DNA in it". What makes this most amusing is the fact that Sith Pureblood characters can also say this.
    • M1-4X of the Trooper's party is definitely heroic (well, at least a cheerful Republic patriot who approves of the Trooper living up to Republic ideals), and definitely not the sharpest vibroblade in the drawer. Justified as he's designed for combat and propaganda, not feats of intelligence. Definitely Played for Laughs
  • Pixel from Graffiti Kingdom. Good lord, just check out his quote on the Quotes page!
  • The Bizarre Adventures of Woodruff and the Schnibble: Woodruff, who begins the game somewhere between minutes to days after being turned from an infant into an adult.
  • Die Reise ins All: Leutnant von Mackwitz may be a good fighter (kind of a bit more modern version of a barbarian) and very smart when it is about weapons and military. But beside that, he has no big understanding of anything. He's even described at one point as some kind of missing link between great apes and the modern humans.
  • In Skullgirls, Beowulf is a Professional Wrestler who is in way, way over his head. The idiot part is in how easily his shady manager, Zane, actually a disguise of the shapeshifter Double manipulates him into doing his dirty work. Zane tells him that he's set up a fight with somebody, Beowulf fights them while only barely contemplating the lack of cameras to record the match and the very confused bystanders and "opponents". The hero part? When he finds out his greatest match, which was supposed to be a real fight, was secretly rigged in his favor, he puts his entire career at risk by publicly announcing the truth, before setting off for a death-or-glory battle with Marie.
  • The title character of Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja is a fine example. This is mostly played for laughs, but there are plot consequences too. For starters, at the exact moment she steals a clearly labeled sacred crystal, various curses befall the village; she soon finds out the gods are angry about their missing Sacred Gem. And not until the postgame does it occur to her that they might be the same thing!
  • In Moco Moco Friends, Moco barely graduated from school.
  • In The Elder Scrolls, the Tang Mo are a race of "monkey-folk" hailing from the continent of Akavir, far to the east of Tamriel. They are described as kind and brave, but also very simple. Despite this, they are capable of raising armies and have successfully defended themselves time and again against their hostile neighbors, including the Kamal "snow demons" and the Tsaesci "snake vampires".
  • Drakengard 2 gives us Nowe. He's clearly meant to fill this archetype, at least in the sense that he has a childhood friend who is clearly into him but whose feelings he doesn't notice, which is fair enough. What isn't is that the writers also used him as The Watson in asking who's who and does what in regards to everything that's gone on in the eighteen years between the first game and this one - which has the end result that Nowe, who has been with the Knights of the Seal for about five years, acts essentially as though he's never heard anything beyond their name before the exact point the player takes control of him. He takes pity on Imperial prisoners because of some shady practices the Knights are doing to keep the new set of seals active... but never changes his tune even when they immediately take advantage of a prison break and attack him, or when other groups of the same Imperials generally continue to prove that the Knights' harsh treatment of them is entirely justified. Then when a treacherous general among the Knights poisons him and he reacts by pulling out a hitherto-unknown Super Mode to lop off the guy's arm, he makes zero effort to explain to anyone what exactly happened - that the general just poisoned him, that the poison is still right there on the table, or that the general also admitted to murdering Nowe's adoptive father who was the former leader of teh Knights of the Seal - and ends up labeled a traitor; this ends up with him following one of the aforementioned Imperial prisoners, Manah, in destroying the rest of the seals. Even late in the game, when it explained without a shadow of a doubt that A) Manah is more or less directly responsible for a previous attempt at destroying the seals eighteen years ago, and B) destroying the seals will destroy the world, he takes maybe two minutes to contemplate things before deciding, nah, he's gonna keep destroying the seals. Making it worse is that most of this is just following Manah's whims for ill-defined reasons. He makes exactly two decisions on his own, and... both of them are incredibly, unbelievably stupid. First, after Manah's first attempt at destroying the world 18 years ago is outed to him, he decides after she disappears to just keep destroying the seals like she wants anyway until he meets up with her again. Later is in regards to their other partner, Urick, who reveals himself as the guardian of one of the last seals. Owing to the fact that every other seal Nowe and Manah have destroyed thus far has absolutely, without a doubt required the death of their guardian, Urick tells them he's perfectly willing to die for Nowe to continue his quest. Caim, the protagonist from the previous game, shows up around this point and turns out to have the same goal of breaking the seals. Faced with a willing sacrifice that is necessary for his goal and the single most powerful swordsman still living wanting the same thing he does, Nowe decides the best course of action is to suddenly fight Caim instead and try to find another way to break the seal, despite there simply not being another way.
  • Matt, Natalie, and Lance of the Epic Battle Fantasy series are all dense to varying degrees, sometimes to Too Dumb to Live levels. For example, the first two temporarily died from eating an obviously poisonous sandworm and the third believes there's nothing dangerous about radiation. They admit this in the third game, where they agree that they're too stupid to solve a lever puzzle. Their new party member in the fourth game, Anna, seems to avert this by at least knowing more about surviving in the wild, while Natalie gets somewhat more smarter, leading the men to ask for her help whenever they're stuck with a puzzle.
  • Rainbow Skies: Damion is rather dim and keen to solve problems with his swords or fists, but is essentially good-hearted. He often deals with NPCs in an aggressive or insulting way, requiring his companions to smooth things over. This is all played for laughs.


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