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Ayumi-chan Aramis from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
#776: Mar 5th 2023 at 5:12:41 PM

Any thoughts on [up][up][up]?

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#777: Mar 5th 2023 at 5:17:14 PM

Actually just said this in another thread, but I personally have been avoiding responding despite having seen a playthrough of the game because 1) the negative side is just flat-out factually incorrect in two aspects, but I dunno how much that matters since this is an audience reaction and I know nothing about the actual fandom here, and 2) the playthrough I watched was also for the expanded version, and I dunno how much of a difference that makes (the entry alludes to one but I'm not clear if that's just adding the After Story or if the main plot has differences as well).

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#778: Mar 5th 2023 at 5:26:19 PM

[up] The main difference between vita version and updated one is the inclusion of the after story, the side stories and few character being Promoted to Playable in said after story. In addition, I bet the fan reaction is much more positive than anything, from what I can wager from the steam reviews anyways tongue.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Mar 5th 2023 at 9:44:30 PM

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#779: Mar 5th 2023 at 8:05:20 PM

Decided to delete the Broken Base entry for TX, since we know that the whole Ass Pull thing is really incorrect (per the Ass Pull cleanup) as well as being a text wall.

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#780: Mar 17th 2023 at 11:38:01 AM

This is on IAmNotShazam.Anime And Manga:

  • The heroine of Princess Mononoke is named San, not Mononoke. Mononoke is just the type of demon that the residents of Irontown believe her to be. Additionally, she's not actually a princess, either. In fact, Mononoke Hime started as a very old and completely different story concept in the 80s in which the title character was referred to as "Mononoke Hime" because she would be marrying a mononoke. The title was retained on the film that eventually became the one we have today, but since it was so radically different and centered around a different character, Miyazaki wanted to change it to "The Legend of Ashitaka". He was convinced not to over some superstition at Studio Ghibli — all of his films, in Japanese, contain the character for "no". "The Legend of Ashitaka" was "Ashitaka Sekki". The studio didn't want to ruin their good luck with his films by not maintaining the "no" tradition. Perhaps to avoid this confusion, the English dub mentions "Mononoke" only once in dialogue. A few other instances seem to have been glossed as "wolf girl." The back of the 2010 box refers to her as "the brave Princess Mononoke", however.

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#781: Mar 17th 2023 at 12:36:29 PM

Cut down everything except the first two sentences.

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#782: Mar 24th 2023 at 2:27:51 PM

Found these on GenreKiller.Music: (I've put them into folders so they don't take up to much space on this post)

     
  • Grunge itself had two moments in 1994 that can be pointed to as Genre-Killers, the trend in both of them being the genre's anti-commercial attitude running head-first into its sudden mainstream popularity. First, Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was Driven to Suicide over his heroin addiction and inability to reconcile his values with his success, which not only took out the biggest band in the scene but made many rock fans leery of the Darker and Edgier attitudes that were synonymous with grungenote . It's probably not a coincidence that Hootie & the Blowfish, a band whose twangy, wholesome, down-home folk rock was the Spiritual Antithesis of everything that grunge stood for, took off just a few months later, as did Weezer with their charming, Adorkable and clean power pop sound and Blues Traveler, a jam band whose hit single "Hook" was a Take That! at the "hip three-minute ditties" that dominated pop and rock radio (the "jangly folk-pop-rock" craze soon became overshadowed by Britpop). Second, Pearl Jam got into a nasty fight with Ticketmaster over their anti-consumer business practices, resulting in them canceling their tour that summer and finding it nearly impossible to tour nationally afterwards, which dealt a crippling blow to the fortunes of the second-biggest band in the scene. The drug-related deaths of Blind Melon frontman Shannon Hoon in 1995 and Brad Nowell of Sublime in 1996 also dealt a blow to the alt-rock boom of the '90s. Grunge continued to limp along in the absence of Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but as a whole, it faded from the limelight over the next few years. Sean O'Neal of the AV Club points to 1996 as the year when grunge and Alternative Rock in general "died a messy, forgettable death", as it was the year the remaining "Big Four" Seattle grunge bands (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains) reached their nadirs of popularity and, in the case of the latter two, ultimately saw the seeds planted for their breakups, while the assorted copycats started falling away. Of those four bands, only Pearl Jam would survive the decade, but they had mostly turned away from the grunge sound by their third album. Most importantly, however, by that point what had started out as a backlash against corporate hair metal had essentially been taken over by the record industry, turning into Post-Grunge. A more polished, radio-friendly version of grunge that sanded off many of its more abrasive edges, post-grunge dominated mainstream American rock music for the rest of the decade, eventually converging with hard rock and the remnants of nu metal and dominating the next decade as well. Many years later, post-grunge would follow a similar fate, as detailed below.
     
  • The 2003 albums Results May Vary by Limp Bizkit and Take a Look in the Mirror by Korn played a huge role in killing Nu Metal. A fusion of Alternative Metal, Industrial Metal, and Rap Metal influences, nu metal emerged in the mid-1990s and was seen as an antidote to the bubblegum boy bands, girl groups, "rap rock" acts, and easy listening idol singers that ruled the world of pop music after the fall of grunge, bringing metal back to the forefront of youth culture for the first time since the '80s. Nu metal reached the peak of its popularity from 1998-2001, but before long, came to be stereotyped as a genre of wangsty lyrics, phony machismo, and grating instrumentation that substituted technical skill with sheer noise. Meanwhile, Columbine and the violence at Woodstock '99 during Limp Bizkit's setnote  made people wary of the anger and macho attitudes in nu metal pretty much the same way Kurt Cobain's suicide made people wary of the depressive attitudes in Grunge. By 2002, nu metal was earning the mockery of metalheads as a pale shadow of "real" metal, and albums by major bands like Korn and Papa Roach were producing diminishing returns on the charts. The tipping point came in 2003 when Limp Bizkit and Korn released the aforementioned albums to a reception that ranged from mixed to scathing, with Bizkit's cover of The Who's "Behind Blue Eyes" coming in for especially heated criticism as borderline rock sacrilege. By 2004, nu metal's reign on the rock charts was over, with emo and metalcore emerging in its place, and most of the bands involved with the genre quickly changing their sound to get away from it (a notable example being Linkin Park). Papa Roach quickly recovered with their sole Top 40 hit "Scars", and they remain popular on mainstream rock radio to this day. Deftones and Incubus, the two most critically acclaimed bands associated with the genre, both changed their sound to remove any remaining nu metal elements. Korn took a beating, only to recover in the 2010s, by adapting dubstep into their style and scoring their first-ever #1 rock hit in 2013. But Limp Bizkit fared the worst of all; they became so hated in America that they were forced to tour overseas for the rest of their days. Nearly a decade passed before nu metal regained some cultural acceptance, and even then it's not even half as popular as it used to be.
     
  • The Strokes' First Impressions of Earth can be viewed as the breaking point of the post-punk/garage rock revival in the early-mid '00s. This movement had been characterized by elements of punk rock, indie rock, '60s garage rock, and New Wave, combined into a stripped-down, back-to-basics guitar rock that many people at the time felt would be a revolution in rock music comparable to grunge ten years earlier, wiping away the morass of Post-Grunge and Nu Metal just as grunge had wiped away Hair Metal. For a time, it was. Along with The Strokes, bands like The White Stripes, Interpol, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Vines, and The Hives led the movement in both the US and the UK, and from roughly 2002-05 they won widespread critical and commercial success. By 2006-07 however, the genre became affected by the public's growing discontent with "lighter" rock acts, and by the end of the decade many bands were either gone, had collapsed, or had become more experimental. Meanwhile, in Britain and Canada, bands like the Arctic Monkeys, The Fratellis, Bloc Party, Arcade Fire, and the recently-established Coldplay and Muse were leading the way in forming the Pop Revival genre that would define 2010s-era rock. By the time the White Stripes went their separate ways in 2011, The Strokes, The Hives, and The Vines were still active, but by this point these had become targets of mockery, largely being seen as little more than glorified '70s-era tribute bands (if not downright plagiarists). The Yeah Yeah Yeahs were the only band who maintained their respect and popularity, due in part to having the strongest associations with the rising indie rock scene. As for the album itself, the release of First Impressions of Earth was repeatedly delayed, and upon its final release was a critical and commercial failure, acting as the final nail in the coffin. Generally, the album is considered to have three good songs - the first three, all of which were singles - and it falls off a cliff soon after. The Strokes took several years off after the release of Impressions before they returned with their comeback albums Angles and Comedown Machine, both of which were sales and critical disappointments.
     
  • Retro thrash gained traction on MySpace in the mid-2000s after Municipal Waste and Toxic Holocaust started to pick up steam, and by late 2006, bands like Evile, Fueled by Fire, Bonded by Blood, Warbringer, and Gama Bomb were viewed as the next big thing in heavy music, and melodic metalcore acts like Machine Head, Shadows Fall, and Trivium further lent legitimacy to the movement by mixing in overt thrash elements. Earache Records led the charge by signing as many of these acts as they could, with Metal Blade Records picking up whatever they didn't and the boutique label Heavy Artillery gaining traction of its own with multiple critically lauded releases on its roster. While its demise in the early 2010s was most certainly not helped by increasing mainstream apathy caused by a glut of uninspired third-tier acts, multiple direct factors ensured its demise. The biggest one was Earache Records itself, as they were notorious for their horrible contracts that bled bands dry and left them unable to afford to function, while the collapse of Heavy Artillery in 2012 dealt another mortal blow to the movement. The lukewarm reception to Diamond Plate's 2011 full-length debut Generation Why? was the closest it came to having an individual release that sank it; they had been heavily hyped in the underground and had a lot of respect courtesy of their Relativity EP, but what people got was a generally disappointing and sterile debut with new tracks that were much worse than the rerecorded demo and EP tracks, and the even worse reception of 2013's Pulse destroyed whatever life was left in retro thrash. After 2013, most of the original retro thrash acts either broke up or substantially reduced their activity levels, and the few acts that saw any success after that point generally did so with hardcore or death metal audiences. Of the original acts who stuck around, only Havok and Lich King saw rising success after 2013, while the others who survived became, at best, part-time legacy acts, and at worst reverted back to local status. Nowadays, "retro thrash" (or, more likely "pizza thrash", a derisive label for the movement) is associated with boring, sterile Exodus and Anthrax clones, and anyone who plays a straight example of it is unlikely to ever leave their home region; if a new band playing thrash in this era is going to have any success, they will likely play blackened or death-thrash or crossover.
     
  • Also happened around the same time period for Emo's Darker and Edgier cousin, Screamo, and the subsubgenre commonly referred to as "emoviolence" (later jokingly referred to as "skramz".) For a while, it had an arguably even more dedicated fanbase and one of the most of any subgenre within Hardcore Punk, despite the worldwide population who even knew what it was being at most in the low five digits its most popular and sought after records would go for insane prices on internet auction sites, people would travel multiple hours to see bands play in basements or rented VFW halls to shows that only a couple dozen people would go to. The decline became around the Turn of the Millennium once some of the bigger bands of the style broke up, the breakup of Orchid in 2003 was the demise of the biggest band of the style, (although some members played in their Spiritual Successor Ampere they didn't achieve the same level of universal acclaim), and the style was actually bogged down by a bizarre rare musical example of Continuity Lockout: it was so based around various tropes and aesthetics that it was pretty inaccessible to anyone not already very familiar with it, making it difficult for the scene to recruit fresh blood. The rise of digital distribution of music also gave a blow, as its music being released mostly or even exclusively on vinyl was a big part of the culture and aesthetic that gave it its unique appeal. However, perhaps the ultimate blow was when bands like The Used and Thursdaynote  blowing up and giving a completely different perception in the mainstream of what "screamo" was, as well as Metalcore going mainstream as well and making it so that most new bands were imitative of those styles instead. The scene was a shell of its former self in the US by around 2005, and although it managed to survive pretty well in Europe for several years after that, that too eventually declined, (another big blow that came later was the Great Recession, a time of economic uncertainty and stress isn't the best time for a Crack is Cheaper hobby to proliferate, which was arguably the case with the style's vinyl collecting.) Outside of a few legacy bands like the aforementioned Ampere the style was mostly seen as a relic until it too had its own revival around the mid The New '10s. While it's a fairly healthy style of underground music today, it doesn't have anywhere near the dedication or cult following it had around 20 years ago.
     
  • A notorious case in Canada was Matt Dusk's epic 2006 flop Back in Town, which ended up killing the Canadian jazz-pop scene, Diana Krall being often credited as the one who started it, with Michael Bublé having furthered it with his international success, while a handful of successful artists in the US and Britain took their cues from the genre. Perhaps one of the more unexpected hits was Matt Dusk's debut album Two Shots, released in 2004, which boasted a lead single written by Bono and The Edge. The album was a smash success and one of the top-selling records of its year. Ironically enough, Dusk ended up killing the craze with Back in Town, commonly regarded among Canadian music fans as the textbook definition of a Sophomore Slump. It was much anticipated and hyped, and in fact actually didn't do too bad in its first week of release, debuting at #17 on the Canadian music chart. However, once people actually took the time to listen to it, they got a bizarre, more funk-influenced album that didn't fly well with the public and killed any interest in him, with his sales taking a spectacular nosedive in the weeks that followed. Dusk ended up recording two virtually unheard-of albums (try naming either without looking them up. Exactly.). Needless to say, Canadian jazz-pop acts except for Krall and Buble took the same path.

     
  • Solo teen idols were huge in the '50s and '60s, with artists like Ricky Nelson, Bobby Rydell, Paul Anka, and Fabian Forte dominating the charts through the period. That phenomenon died a quick death in the mid-'60s as teenage girls found a universal idol in The Beatles. A brief revival happened in the '70s with the likes of Bobby Sherman, David and Shaun Cassidy, Donny Osmond, and Leif Garrett, but even then they were stuck in the shadows of groups like The Monkees, The Jackson 5, and the Bay City Rollers, and the second wave died out much faster than the first. For the next three decades, Boy Bands and rock groups would reign supreme whereas hardly any solo teen idols made an impact. A third wave would begin at the turn of the 2010s when Justin Bieber fever swept the globe. However, the wave would barely last three years, with Bieber ultimately ending up the only major success story in this new generation of teen idols. When a massive backlash against him hit and his public image was destroyed overnight (only to recover in 2015-16), control of the teenage girl demographic immediately shifted back to boy bands via One Direction, and later, 5 Seconds of Summer or Shawn Mendes.

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#783: Mar 25th 2023 at 12:49:22 AM

Let me see what I can do with the first one:

  • Grunge was one of the defining sounds of the early 1990s, but two things happened in 1994 that contributed to its loss of popularity. First, there was Kurt Cobain's suicide early that year, which dealt a huge blow to the genre by knocking out one of its premier bands. This, along with a string of drug-rated deaths among other alt-rock groups, led people to seek a sound that was less grim, leading to the rise of folk-rock and jam bands such as Dave Matthews Band, Hootie & the Blowfish, and Blues Traveler (a process which had begun in 1991 when R.E.M.'s "Losing My Religion" became a huge hit). Second, the other biggest band in the genre, Pearl Jam, sat out their 1994 tour as a protest to Ticketmaster's business practices, which they considered unfair both to them and their fans. By 1996, all of the other big Seattle bands had broken up, and Post-Grunge bands such as the Foo Fighters started to take over the alt-rock scene, along with the influx of Britpop bands (particularly Oasis and Blur).

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#784: Mar 29th 2023 at 2:12:14 AM

Posted this a while back, but I got no response so here we go, how do we shorten this (From Surprise Difficulty)

  • The Legend Of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC has a bright and colourful artstyle with chibi sprites. And its prequel, and sequels, aren't that difficult, so it can't be that bad, right? Wrong. The game easily rivals most Shin Megami Tensei games in difficulty. The game is tough even on Normal, but Hard multiplies enemy stats to such an extent that most people only recommend it for New Game Plus runs. And that's not even getting into Nightmare Mode. To put this in perspective, it's common for players to spend dozens of attempts before you can beat it, and on Nightmare the Prologue's boss is generally considered Unwinnable (barring extreme luck) if you don't use your resources in a very specific way. Many bosses use specific tactics that are designed to screw with you, abuse of the Turn Order Bonuses is required to outlast many chest monsters/sidequest bosses, and just about everything on the Liber Ark wants you dead. Late in the game just when you think the Enforcers are just a bunch of pushovers, Renne will open the fight with an S-Break that's 50% instant death to anyone without instant death immunity, and even with immunity, she still has good Crafts and a whole bunch of mooks that'll Petrify you and take up several turns before you can so much as heal. Her rematch then has you fight pater-Mater, who has strong attacks and will instantly revive Renne at full health if you try killing her first. Finally, there's Loewe, who puts many a Superboss to shame that can easily one-shot the entire party with the S-Craft he opens the fight with. It's so hard the game lets you progressively retry with weaker stats, and is considered harder than the final boss. Even if Aidios blesses you with less than three clones and doesn't spam Demon Flames, he's still That One Boss.

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#785: Mar 29th 2023 at 11:54:46 PM

How about this:

My reasoning for chopping the entire second half is that the specific bosses are already covered by the blanket statement about tactics designed to screw with you.

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#786: Mar 30th 2023 at 3:15:05 AM

[up] Went ahead and swapped [up][up] with that one.

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#787: Mar 30th 2023 at 4:47:08 AM

Is that first part even really necessary? Lots of games with a bright, colorful art style were clearly designed by sadists. It doesn't strike me as an especially noteworthy thing.

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#788: Mar 30th 2023 at 1:23:38 PM

[up] I only kept it because without it, there's nothing that explains why the difficulty is a surprise, just that the game is extremely difficult.

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#789: Mar 30th 2023 at 2:46:28 PM

I've just given the Broken Aesop entries for the Doctor Who episodes "The Idiot's Lantern" and "Journey's End", as well as the one for the Doctor and Rose's codependent relationship, a quick pruning.

  • Mark Gatiss devotes the entire B-plot of "The Idiot's Lantern" to the Connolly family, building to An Aesop about realizing when someone you used to love has become utterly toxic to you and knowing when it's time to just let go, cut ties with them and kick them out of your life. Considering Mr. Connolly has been characterized for the entire episode as a control freak who treats his loved ones like his property but only dares to do so behind closed doors, it's definitely the right call for Tommy and his mother to make. However, in the last five minutes, the Doctor suddenly tells Tommy to try to keep his bastard dad in his life after all, for no reason other than Eddie being Tommy's father. Not only does this sabotage the episode's moral, it's also terrible advice to give to someone who just got out of an abusive relationship.

  • How the series handles the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler's codependent relationship. Rose builds so much of her happiness around the Doctor that she can't live without him in her life, and when she becomes trapped on a parallel Earth, she and the Doctor are absolutely devastated, which appears to warn that making one person the centre of your world will only lead to heartbreak. However, when the Daleks almost destroy the universe in "The Stolen Earth", Rose leaps at the chance to jump universes so she can try to find the Doctor. She's rewarded with a clone Doctor who can grow old with her. So the lesson of Rose's arc is changed from 'beware unhealthy, codependent relationships' to 'if you cling to someone hard enough, and never ever let go, eventually you'll get everything you ever wanted and more'.

  • "Journey's End" is yet another example of the series trying to suggest that the Doctor's attitude to the Daleks is Fantastic Racism while still depicting them as Always Chaotic Evil. The Doctor says his clone's act of wiping out the Daleks (they're back next season), shows how violent and brutal he is. Yet the Daleks had just come very close to wiping out entire Universes and are fiction's poster creature for Scary Dogmatic Aliens. The moral makes even less sense considering that, earlier in the same season, the Doctor wiped out another (albeit less dangerous) alien race and in the process killed 20,000 innocent people, even if this was what history decreed. Meanwhile his clone was only wiping out the Daleks and (possibly) their Omnicidal Maniac creator Davros. Not only that but when the Doctor declined a chance to destroy the last Dalek in their previous appearance, claiming there has been too much death already, that Dalek escaped and caused the problems of this episode.

Edited by Clare on Apr 6th 2023 at 12:34:40 PM

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#790: Mar 30th 2023 at 4:03:14 PM

Encountered on YMMV.The History Of The Fairchild Family.

  • Values Dissonance: The book is not only predicated on pious Christianity; it is rooted in a particularly strict brand of Anglican thought, the Calvinistic "Evangelical" stream, whose morality was going out of fashion even during Mrs. Sherwood's lifetime. The kind of religion preached by this book causes the Fairchilds – loving and caring parents though they are – to bring their children up with values that would seem dour and fanatical today. Central to their thought is the notion that the human race is fallen and that everyone has it in their nature to hate God and do evil, and that only thanks to the grace of God can one wish to do good and work toward salvation. Mrs. Fairchild makes comments to/about her children that can seem shocking in our age when parents are encouraged to praise their children and use positive reinforcement. When Lucy once tells her mother that she thinks that she and her siblings are much better children than they used to be, for they have not been punished in a very long time, her mother cautions her against boasting or thinking well of herself for "God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble." (James 4:6). She adds: "If you have not done any very naughty thing lately, it is not because there is any goodness or wisdom in you, but because your papa and I have been always with you, carefully watching and guiding you from morning till night." During the visit to Sir Charles Noble's family, when Lady Noble (in all honesty baselessly) praises her daughter Augusta, Mrs. Fairchild retorts within earshot of her own children: "I am afraid none of us can say much of our children: there is no child that can be said to have a good heart." (Lady Noble is surprised, but makes no answer.) This would seem callous today, but is in line with the book's message that all are born depraved. As well, the uncompromising insistence on a child's absolute obedience to his or her parents and the whipping, flogging and withdrawal of affection and communication that Mr. Fairchild as the head of the family sometimes imposes as punishment are likewise very harsh and rigid forms of child-rearing by today's standards. It is worth noting that George Orwell heavily criticized the book on more than one occasion; in his essay on Charles Dickens, he wrote of it: "This evil book is now issued in pretty-pretty expurgated editions, but it is well worth reading in the original version. It gives one some idea of the lengths to which child-discipline was sometimes carried. Mr. Fairchild, for instance, when he catches his children quarrelling, first thrashes them, reciting Dr. Watts's 'Let dogs delight to bark and bite' between blows of the cane, and then takes them to spend the afternoon beneath a gibbet where the rotting corpse of a murderer is hanging."

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#791: Apr 2nd 2023 at 5:52:04 PM

My Hero Academia - All For One is currently over 316,000 bytes and is likely going to have to be split into multiple pages soon if it doesn't go through some kind of cleanup. If it is okay, I decided to just link the entire page, because one quick look through it's seven folders will make it clear that it would take far less time and energy to list the examples that aren't a Wall of Text over the ones that are.

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#792: Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:01:02 PM

[up][up] Jesus Christ that sounds less like Values Dissonance and more like someone wanted to write a three page essay about old Christianity.

Speaking of, found this on YMMV.Amphibia:

  • Ron the Death Eater:
    • In general, despite only being heard and mentioned a few times, both the Wu and Waybright parents (especially the latter) are often portrayed as emotionally absent or outright abusive in a multitude of ways. This is used in fanworks as a way to give angst potential to Marcy and Sasha, especially in shipping fics, as well as a way to make them feel more sympathetic and to give them a Freudian Excuse to explain many of their more hurtful actions towards Anne in the series. In the actual series, there's no explicit confirmation that Sasha and Marcy's issues stem from their parents, and Sasha's parents' possible divorce isn't solidly confirmed as affecting her behavior in any way, albeit with the caveat there was an episode planned to address this but was cut due to potential message muddying (I.E 'blaming Sasha's parents for Sasha's problems, the very same thing that this trope does). For what it's worth, the only abusive parent that's ever actually depicted onscreen in the series is Andrias's father, the former King Aldrich. And even then, many fics have both girls' parents be portrayed to be as villainous as the above character, in a sense. Interestingly, these portrayals of the two's parents slowed down a bit, but hardly went away, as season 3 approaches, at at least one parent from both pairs, as the general trend has changed from both parents of each sucking to one of them, usually Mr. Wu and Mrs. Waybright, being bad, and the other parent being better, though takes where both parents of one or both girls are equally sucky are still findable. This newer portrayal is most likely because of how many mean girls' moms are portrayed in most media as emotionally abusive and/or overbearing in Sasha's case, with the fathers sometimes being a bit more reasonable than their wives. In Marcy's case, when she runs away from her parents' announcement, both call out to her, and the tones they use is what most fans based their portrayals on: her father sounds harsh and somewhat demanding when calling out to her (he was also the one that texted her), while her mother's voice, on the other hand, sounds rather worried and possibly a bit more understanding.
      • Marcy's parents have gotten a lot of this trope this in the wake of "True Colors". The only thing we know about them is that they told Marcy that they were moving, which resulted in the entire show happening, with Marcy's father yelling as she runs out of the house crying, but it's become common for people to depict them as varying degrees of Abusive Parents; it's usually emotional abuse or negligence, but homophobia is also common in fics that have her paired with Anne and/or Sasha. After "Froggy Little Christmas" aired, many fans took the final scene where Anne sends letters to Sasha and Marcy's parents as evidence that the Wu parents went through with moving away after their daughter went missingnote , marking that headcanon as evidence that they don't care much for Marcy, and it remains a widely-held view among most of the fandom that Marcy deserves better than them for this; causing many to portray Yunan and Olivia as Marcy's Parental Substitutes. Though, in the series itself, Marcy's bond with Olivia and Yunan wasn't nearly as close as what she had with Andrias, or what Anne and Sasha had with the Planters and Grime respectively. Them moving away in her absence was officially jossed in Marcy's Journal, her dad managed to delay his job offer while they wait for her. Furthermore, Marcy's parents are shown to actually care for her after all.
      • While they have not appeared at all or been mentioned, with the only detail being that they send two separate letters at Christmas, Sasha's parents are often made out to be abusive or negligent as a means of giving her a Freudian Excuse. Which, again, was a topic the show had ideas for addressing, but didn't due to the very same reason. Additionally, like with Marcy's parents, most of the Fandom tend to go overboard with how abusive they are to Sasha. With some fanworks portraying Sasha having to go through physical abuse, among emotional and verbal types, sometimes with one of her parents being an alcoholic or drug addict as an added bonus.

It's a slog talking about both Marcy's and Sasha's parents, and then smaller walls talking about them separately.

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#793: Apr 3rd 2023 at 8:55:01 AM

Can someone please cleanup the YMMV page of long text in The Bold and the Beautiful? Granted, I haven't watched the show in years, but so many of the examples given could be summed up in five lines or less.

Also, this example from the Touched by an Angel YMMV page could really use some trimming, listed under the Nightmare Fuel section:

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#794: Apr 7th 2023 at 9:00:03 PM

Crossposting this post here for additional feedback. I questioned whether it actually counts because I generally haven't seen most of those complaints myself apart from the "bikes are overpowered" one, though this post suggests some of them may be valid. If they are, then the entry needs to be condensed and any mention of CTGP excised because Game Mods have no bearing on official content. Can someone with more experience with the Mario Kart Wii community weigh in with the actual positions on the matter?

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#795: Apr 11th 2023 at 4:04:20 PM

From the 'in general' section of X-Men: Externals:

  • Really 700 Years Old: They vary in age. Some, like Gideon and Absalom, are fairly 'young' by immortal standards, with the former having born in Southern Europe (either Spain or Portugal) in the middle to late 15th century (he was one of the crew of Christopher Columbus) and the latter having been born in North America (one of the Wild West states) in the middle to late 19th century (he was one of the last cowboys). Others, like Saul and Nicodemus, are considerably much older, with Saul having already been active in Mongolia during the 12th century, but himself claiming to be much older, telling Apocalypse when they first met that he had trod lifetimes beyond En Sabah Nur's imaginings (and En Sabah Nur was already a few thousand years old at this point) while Nicodemus is considered to being even older still, being supposedly as old as the Swiss Alps where he now currently resides. Candra was said to have been the youngest of them and newly-born during the time of their last general assembly in the 12th century (when 4 of the 5 male Externals at the time —- Saul , Nicodemus , Crule , and Apocalypse —- indulged her wishes [due apparently to her status as their “younger sister/youngestsibling”] by agreeing to perform the magic ritual that created Candra’s horcrux of a Heart Gem, but “older sister” Selene refused to join out of envy/jealousy and “older brother” White Sword was absent because he was trapped along with the rest of the Okkaran mutant civilization in the hell-dimension of Amenth). Burke claims that his first notable death was in the 17th century (but of course he may have been activated centuries earlier, but it is canon that he is younger than Candra and older than Absolom and Cannonball, but it is not known who is older between him and Gideon). Crule, the resident Ax-Crazy madman who still swears by the relatively-obscure Indian Vedic god Mitra (or perhaps he was actually referring to the much more known Persian/Iranian god Mithras, assuming it was a misspelling typo) and the Sumerian goddess Ishtar, and who styles his appearance like an Indian Kapalika ascetic (literally "skull-bearers", think Street Fighter's Dhalsim), is canonically originating from supposedly somewhere in "North Africa" (which consists of the region historically known as the Maghreb and the rest of the African continent above the Sahara Desert) but is otherwise implied to maybe have been a member of the ancient Aryans who originated from Southwest Asia (though both Northern Africa and Southwest Asia are right next to other, linked by the Arabian Peninsula, all being part of the region that was historically known as the "Levant" and is now known as the "Middle East") who were the direct ancestors of both Iranians/Persians AND Indians, as well as supposedly the stereotypical blond-haired blue-eyed White-skinned Nazi ubermenschen, since he supposedly was an actual Nazi in World War 2 (and they are infamous for being the most racist of White supremacists) and even ran a concentration camp for them , presumably somewhere in Europe. Apocalypse is canonically at least 5000 years old , having been born in Egypt at the time of the construction of the Pyramids . The self-proclaimed oldest among them is Selene , who reveals that she was born in Central Europe around 15000 B.C. , “after the sinking of Atlantis but before the rise of the Sons of Aryas”. But the recent introduction of the forgotten External, the White Sword (who wears armor with a winged helmet and wields a broadsword, like an ancient Norse Viking) was of Okkara , the “One Land of Mutants”, “which was ancient when the world was young” , upends the age comparisons, as he may be at most even older than Selene or at least just younger than Apocalypse, or anywhere in between, with the only certainty about his age being that it is canon that he is older than Candra , Burke , Gideon , Absolom , and Cannonball .

Given that most of them have their own character entries on the page, I think the vast majority of this can be cut. The youngest of them are only a century or two old; the eldest confirmed is about 17,000 and there's one more who's potentially even older. And yet almost all retain a youthful appearance.

We don't need 650 words to say that, do we?

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#797: Apr 12th 2023 at 2:21:44 AM

Found this on Enjoy the Story, Skip the Game, it's not too long but it could use a bit of a trim.

  • By far the most praised aspect of the Trails Series is its insanely thorough Worldbuilding. The plot begins as a Cliché Storm of familiar tropes, only to ground them and its characters into a setting so realized with politics, a meticulous history, the effects of a stock fantasy world getting swept up in the social, technological, and governmental upheaval, and the day-to-day lives of hundreds of Non Player Characters that the continent of Zemuria is rich with detail. Every NPC has their own subplots running throughout the games with new dialogue added between story events, it's this detail that has players replay the games for hundreds of hours to explore the world and the hundreds of characters that live there. The gameplay isn't bad, it's actually pretty fun at times, but the sheer volume of text ensures it's little more than some battles and several sidequests between story and NPC dialogue. Trails in the Sky FC seems to have realized this, as the Cloak Quartz can be found just before The Very Definitely Final Dungeon which skips all encounters, and can be carried on to a New Game Plus. The Cold Steel games offer an alternative — both Very Easy and Easy modes, as well as encounters that are triggered by encountering enemies on the field, which means that almost all non-boss fights can be skipped if the player chooses.

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#798: Apr 12th 2023 at 3:20:08 PM

I've incorporated Tropers/Clare's trimmings for BrokenAesop.Doctor Who (belated thanks for that!) and trimmed down "The Ark" some more. Nothing super-egrigiously overlong now.

New version:

  • "The Ark" is about a slave race, the Monoids, who are mute and subservient to humans. After a plague occurs, the Monoids eventually rise up over the humans and enslave them instead. The (apparent) attempted moral is announced at the end of the story when the Doctor tells the humans and Monoids that they need to live in equality to survive, but thanks to What Measure Is a Non-Human? writing (in which the Doctor doesn't care about the deaths of tens of Monoids but realises it's an emergency when a human dies) and the fact that the Monoids' defining character traits are being "savages", it comes across more like a racist allegory for how extending civil rights will cause the oppressor to become oppressed by a race that can only run civilisation with incompetent savagery unless they are returned to Happiness in Slavery.
  • "The Dominators" has two:
    • The invokedWord of God aim was an allegory about how the hippie movement is bad because they would have got their arses kicked if they'd been in control when the Nazis had invaded. However, the oppressed, pacifistic Dulcians don't work as a hippie allegory, as they're characterised either as elderly politicians or as attractive young people who unthinkingly repeat the elders' lessons by rote until the Doctor and companions turn them against their racist, fascist oppressors, while the old Dulcians get slaughtered through trying to negotiate with Always Chaotic Evil aliens. The result is that it comes off as an allegory about how student activism is the future because the apathetic old politicians are only concerned with keeping superficial comfort and not with fixing big societal problems, and have engineered their own destruction.
    • The villains have an internal conflict, between Rago, who favours caution and condemns meaningless destruction, and Toba, a Psycho for Hire who just loves destroying things. The problem is that everything Toba says is right - if he just had blown everyone up on sight (including the Doctor and Jamie) the Dominators would have succeeded in their plan. The result of this is that the story is simultaneously both far more left-wing and far more right-wing than intended.
  • "The Face of Evil" is based on the premise that the Doctor's egotistical attempts to save a space mission AI (by simply imposing a print of his own brain over it instead of actually fixing the problem) led to the AI becoming an insane God who selectively breeds the settlers into opposing Cargo Cult factions that worship him, and creating a dystopic Egopolis based on the Doctor's image. It all seems like it's set up to criticise the Doctor's big ego and Chronic Hero Syndrome... but it ends with the AI, having realised who it is, asking the Doctor for an explanation as to where he went wrong, absolving the Doctor of all responsibility and even having 'God' ask him for tips on how to be better.
  • "The Parting of the Ways" has the Ninth Doctor decline from destroying Earth to destroy the Daleks, claiming that it's the morally better choice to not wipe out humanity with the Daleks. However the Daleks have just attacked Earth with such force they have distorted continents, meaning they have probably wiped out at least nearly all humanity and any survivors will soon be either killed, enslaved or turned into Daleksnote . The Doctor even points out that humanity won't be wiped out with Earth as they have spread to other worlds by now. The Daleks surviving means they'll attack other worlds, giving humanity even less of a chancenote . It's only a literal Deus ex Machina that subsequently saves the Universe from the Daleks. Overall the Doctor's decision, considering he may well be the only non-Dalek in range of the delta wave and the Daleks are about to exterminate him anyway, looks quite odd.
  • Mark Gatiss devotes the entire B-plot of "The Idiot's Lantern" to the Connolly family, building to An Aesop about realizing when someone you used to love has become utterly toxic to you and knowing when it's time to just let go, cut ties with them and kick them out of your life. Considering Mr. Connolly has been characterized for the entire episode as a control freak who treats his loved ones like his property but only dares to do so behind closed doors, it's definitely the right call for Tommy and his mother to make. However, in the last five minutes, the Doctor suddenly tells Tommy to try to keep his bastard dad in his life after all, for no reason other than Eddie being Tommy's father. Not only does this sabotage the episode's moral, it's also terrible advice to give to someone who just got out of an abusive relationship.
  • How the series handles the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler's codependent relationship. Rose builds so much of her happiness around the Doctor that she can't live without him in her life, and when she becomes trapped on a parallel Earth, she and the Doctor are absolutely devastated, which appears to warn that making one person the centre of your world will only lead to heartbreak. However, when the Daleks almost destroy the universe in "The Stolen Earth", Rose leaps at the chance to jump universes so she can try to find the Doctor. She's rewarded with a clone Doctor who can grow old with her. So the lesson of Rose's arc is changed from 'beware unhealthy, codependent relationships' to 'if you cling to someone hard enough, and never ever let go, eventually you'll get everything you ever wanted and more'.
  • "Journey's End" is yet another example of the series trying to suggest that the Doctor's attitude to the Daleks is Fantastic Racism while still depicting them as Always Chaotic Evil. The Doctor says his clone's act of wiping out the Daleks (they're back next series), shows how violent and brutal he is. Yet the Daleks had just come very close to wiping out entire Universes and are fiction's poster creature for Scary Dogmatic Aliens. The moral makes even less sense considering that, earlier in the same season, the Doctor wiped out another (albeit less dangerous) alien race and in the process killed 20,000 innocent people, even if this was what history decreed. Meanwhile his clone was only wiping out the Daleks and (possibly) their Omnicidal Maniac creator Davros. Not only that but when the Doctor declined a chance to destroy the last Dalek in their previous appearance, claiming there has been too much death already, that Dalek escaped and caused the problems of this episode.
  • The two-parters story "The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People" is about a rebellion of clones who are sick of being treated as disposable vessels by miners to operate in dangerous circumstances. The Doctor even sides with them saying Clones Are People, Too and try his best to save them. At the end of the day, the Doctor reveals to his companions the reason of their visit to the factory: Amy has been replaced with a clone all along. The Doctor immediately and rather hypocritically kills Amy's clone with his sonic screwdriver as if nothing in the last few hours ever happened. The problem is lessened a bit in that Amy's clone appeared to just be remotely controlled by the real Amy, which the next episode confirms, but it's still a matter of how sure was the Doctor that it hadn't been gaining sentience like the others. He axed Amy's clone awfully quickly when he figured it would help Amy.
  • "The Doctor Falls", the Twelfth Doctor's penultimate episode, draws a parallel between him and his companion Bill Potts, who are both in situations where they each must deal with and accept an unwanted, fundamental change to their lives. She's been converted into a Cyberman against her will, he's on the cusp of regeneration. Neither wants to live if they can't stay who they are. At the end of this episode, the frustrated Doctor gets a "Ray of Hope" Ending setting up a Christmas Episode in which he accepts regeneration and the Loss of Identity it comes with at last. Too bad that in the meantime Bill gets her original form restored with awesome new powers to boot when a barely foreshadowed Deus Ex Machina steps in to make her Ascend To A Higher Plane of Existence. "Twice Upon a Time" does end with the Doctor deciding that helping the universe is Worth Living For even if it means he has to lose his identity, but never addresses Bill's fate so the Aesop remains broken.

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#799: Apr 17th 2023 at 6:17:32 AM

Found some text walls in YMMV.Trails Series

     Folder cause these are big bois 
  • Archive Panic: Attempting to binge the entire series will set you back quite a while. For a series that's famous for it's Door Stopper-length scripts in the hundreds of thousands of words per game, between all the sidequests, lots and lots of NPC dialogue that changes every time there's a plot development, and intricate Worldbuilding, it'll take anywhere between 40 to 80 hours on average to fully complete a game, and unlike most Eastern RPG developers, every Trails title takes place concurrently in the same continuity with several references made between games with quite a few character cameos. Between the Trails in the Sky trilogy, the Zero/Azure duology that got a very belated localization, the Cold Steel tetralogy, Reverie and Kuro you're looking at over ten games that will take hundreds of hours to read. Not to mention the novel adaptations, manga that retell each game with their own sidestories, drama CDs that are largely canon, an adaptation of Trails in the Sky running for two 45 minute OVA episodes, another anime that serves as an interquel between Cold Steel II and III, and two mobile games note , you'll be spending a lot of time exploring its world. Missing one of the main games? Get ready to run into Continuity Lockout as explained below.
  • Contested Sequel: The 3rd, almost by design. In a series that's favored a heavy focus on sidequests, NPC dialogue, expansive towns, and a very linear structure starring one of the most likable heroines in an RPG, 3rd is drastically different in tone from the Sky trilogy, and indeed any succeeding game in the series. Kevin steps up from his position as a reoccurring side character to a full protagonist, the sidequests and non-playable townsfolk have been entirely dropped, the game takes place a while after the current threat has been dealt with, and the gameplay is centered around an expansive series of interconnected dungeons with nonlinear sidestories catching the player up with what the rest of the cast's been up to off-screen. On one hand, many players felt disappointed that several aspects of the series that stood out from other games of the genre were done away with, and dislike the longer stretches of gameplay, especially if they mainly played for the story. For the other camp, 3rd gets praise for its radically unique approach to conveying story and lore that would've been difficult to fit in otherwise, it's large cast of party members and customization, and generally letting players engage in entertaining scenarios for the heck of it. There's also some debate as to Kevin's merit as a starring lead, and the darker, more personal approach to his story. Most of the fanbase will agree it's a game worth playing for its sendoff to the Liberl cast and foreshadowing story developments that was to come in later arcs, but not everyone will like the game for its changes to the formula. Nonetheless, much of Third's formula, including the doors system, was reused in Trails Into Reverie.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • The Liberl Arc requires a party member to simply equip a quartz with the "Information" trait which reveals enemy stats and have it be automatically jotted down in the notebook after combat. After that from the Crossbell Arc and beyond, to obtain information on the enemy, outside of certain quartz that allows automatic note-taking upon killing or landing the killing blow, you have to waste a turn either using "Analyzer" art, "Detector" crafts or the "Battle Scope" item on each type of individual enemy. Not everyone is on board with this change, as players who want to get the information as soon as possible to achieve 100% Completion have to waste the first few precious turns getting information on the enemy instead, which is suicidal on Nightmare difficulty. The second way, hitting it enough times which reveals a portion of the information with each hit, isn't considered much better because there are some enemies like bosses that only show up once and you might find yourself pulling your punches at the last moment because a stat still isn't revealed, potentially costing you the fight.

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#800: Apr 19th 2023 at 11:57:03 PM

[up] Bumping

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