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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#16176: Dec 1st 2021 at 4:36:18 PM

There should be a comma after "Tori also goes to great lengths to help Jade", but otherwise it looks alright.

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kawaiineko333 Since: Nov, 2010
#16177: Dec 1st 2021 at 4:56:21 PM

Just found something new to add to a previous entry on @Ramiel in Dragalia Lost Recruitable Dragons Shadow.

  • Amazingly Embarrassing Parents: Happens again in Dragalia Life #411 when he tells Cleo Nevin used to wear more pocket heaters in his coat. Nevin's more embarrassed that Cleo knows him as the Father-like Shadow in the Halidom. He proceeds to wrap a scarf around Nevin's head, making Cleo give him a new nickname, "The Doting Daddy."

OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#16178: Dec 1st 2021 at 6:00:31 PM

The Hohenzollern Empire AAR (Again)

Fun-Hating Villain: The Committee banned Roman Album "Normaal" and replaced it with cringy "Christian Rock", as well as Tolkien novels for "pagan" influences. Word of God says that The Committee just hates fun.

Viler New Villain: Elias is viler than Sentinel. Elias is willing to nuke Roman Cities. The Sentinel never stooped that low. Josh is viler than the establishment and its representation, Angela Merkel, as he agrees with Elias while Angela and the former establishment (now the resistance) don't.

Hate Sink: Josh is a Hate Sink that was the reason that killed most of the main cast in later Part 5. He killed his teacher, who wanted to see Josh redeemed, off the Indian chancellor, Angela Hansen (Merkel), Anders Humboult, Diana Frank, Olga Kirova, and many soldiers in the background. He desires to kill the good part of the main cast because of some grudge he has against his former victim, Alex. In-Universe, he's considered a Complete Monster by the main cast (good and bad) for the terrible things he's done.

Big Bad Wannabe: Han's China wants to be the one that's on top and bring "balance" to the world, but as of right now they play second fiddle to Elias's Rome.

Knight of Cerebus: In Parts 4 and 5, Gandhi, Angelos, and Motolov divide Reich territory among themselves. In Part 5, Elias assassinates Thierry Baudet, nukes Roman cities, blackmails Kaiser Wilhelm Karl and turns him into a puppet, and turns the Reich into the Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem regime.

Vile Villain, Laughable Lackey: In World War 1, Angelos was the vile villain as he cruelly took tons of Tatawyansuyuan territory without the permission of either Rome or Tatawyansuyu. Tsardom Of Yadvi as a Fascist dictatorship was the Laughable Lackey as it got easily destroyed by the Soviet Commune.

Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: In Part 3, Bose and Chandra Gupta (Gandhi) took over India and exiled The Indian King, turning India into a Fascist Dictatorship. Angelos was slowly attempting to turn Otto into his puppet in a plan to create a republic with Angelos as dictator.

Motive Decay: In Part 3, The Soviet Commune wants to spread Communism and Workers Revolution around the world. In Part 5, The Soviet Commune simply wants to destroy Rome.

X Must Not Win: In Part 1, The Mongols must not win against The Reich when the Mongol Empire declared war on The Reich because if the Mongol Empire wins then the terms that the Mongol Empire made before the war begins, that The Reich would be annexed into the Mongol Empire would be enforced. In Part 2, If Martin Luther and his heretics wins, Berlin would be nuked, and worse, the universe would be destroyed. He is helped by many bad angels, demons, Archangel Michael, and especially Satan. In Part 3, Angelos must have as little victories as possible or Rome (The Reich) would Heel–Face Turn. In Part 4, The Reich must not fall to the world (but mostly Angelos), or else the world would fall into global authoritarianism. At the same time, if Gabriel wins, then Gabriel would become a new God and the universe would be his. In Part 5, If The Soviets win, Deromanization would happen and Rome would be forcefully divided into several warring states. The Sentinel must not win or they will allow aliens to Take Over the World. After The Sentinel was defeated The Establishment must not win or else nothing would change. Later, after The Establishment was overthrown by the people and turned into the resistance, Jerusalem must not be allowed to win or else they will Take Over the World.

Butt-Dialing Mordor: Thierry Baudet made a political party called The Christian Brotherhood and after a little advertisement, allowed Elias Anhorn to learn about his party and corrupt it to his whims.

Rogue Protagonist: The people of The Reich desires a world conquest and for 0 greenhouse gas emissions around the world no matter the cost. That's why The Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem is successful in being the most powerful nation in The World.

Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Anime)

Don't Fear the Reaper: Homura shouldn't be feared. She is all right... as long as you don't antagonize her.

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Dec 2nd 2021 at 12:03:07 PM

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#16180: Dec 1st 2021 at 7:59:33 PM

@ The Victors Project Districts One To Four

Sonara (62nd Hunger Games)

  • Informed Ability: Sonara claims to be a good climber and knife fighter, but she doesn't last long enough to prove it.
  • Tomboy with a Girly Streak: She's a tough climber, but she also enjoys trashy romance novels.

@ The Victors Project Districts Five To Twelve And The Capitol

Cloud (62nd Hunger Games)

  • Orphan's Ordeal: She has no family and grew up in a community home.
  • We Hardly Knew Ye: Her name and characterization only come from the interviews, and she dies in the bloodbath.
  • Workaholic: She works a factory shift after school to earn money for a further education in engineering. When Caesar asks what she does for fun, she's confused and says she has no time for fun.

Holly and Kormac (62nd Hunger Games)

  • An Arm and a Leg: Enobaria cuts off Kormac's arm in the bloodbath, although he keeps fighting for several seconds afterward.
  • Genius Bruiser: Kormac starts the interviews by doing 20 push-ups to show off his physique. Then he compares himself to Haymitch, saying they both have a sense of district loyalty and know the value of outsmarting their less intelligent opponents. He doesn't get a chance to prove his boasts, though.
  • Mighty Lumberjack: Both of them are tough teenagers from the lumber District.
    Holly claims that she has no surprises in the arena, everyone knows she can use an ax and she intends to show them all just how well.
  • Tall Poppy Syndrome: The Careers target and kill them during the bloodbath due to concerns that they'll form an effective underdog alliance with the District 9 tributes.

Savannah and Plowman (62nd Hunger Games)

  • Combat Pragmatist: Savannah tries to stab Career tribute Orion In the Back during the bloodbath.
  • Knife Nut: Savannah is a skilled knife fighter and develops a feral appearance and demeanor after a few days of being wounded and alone.
  • Sinister Scythe: Plowman uses a scythe as a combat weapon in the bloodbath.
  • Sole Survivor: Savannah is the only member of the alliance between herself, Plowman, and the Distirct 7 tributes to escape the bloodbath.
  • Super Fly Reflexes: Savannah claims that she can snatch a fly out of the air.
  • Tall Poppy Syndrome: The Careers target them during the bloodbath (killing Plowman and wounding Savannah) due to concerns that they'll form an effective underdog alliance with the District 7 tributes.
  • Testosterone Poisoning: Plowman spends part of his interview deriding men who use perfume and boasting about "what a man who's not afraid to sweat can do."

Naomi and Jay (62nd Hunger Games)

  • Curtain Camouflage: The Careers find Jay hiding behind a curtain the day after the bloodbath.
  • Defiant Captive: Naomi is fearless and bitter (especially toward Category Traitor Rob) after being captured by the Careers and threatened with torture.
  • Improvised Weapon: Naomi throws a bust of President Snow's head at Enobaria after the careers corner her alliance.
  • The Quiet One: The day after the bloodbath, the Careers find Jay hiding behind a curtain.
  • Teen Genius: Naomi is described as being far more intelligent than the average District 12 tribute and spends her interview describing the history of coal mining in an intelligent, engaging way. She talks about wanting to use coal dust as a weapon and says that under the right circumstances, she could use it like a grenade. She also eludes the Careers for longer than her allies by hiding in a fireplace.
@Worthy Opponent Cross wick.
  • Cheating Death: Those That Lived: In Laurel's Games, Sinbad, the District Four convict-boy, considers Laurel's plan to poison the Careers' food (he escaped their fate by stopping to add pepper to his soup) "not bad", and is said to have "something close to respect in his eyes" as Laurel kills him.
@ Show Within a Show Cross wick @ Same-Sex Triplets cross wick @ Girly Girl with a Tomboy Streak cross wick
  • Cheating Death: Those That Lived: Peridot is described to be a proper lady who has immaculate hair and a fondness for candy. This doesn't stop her from appreciating comic books.
@ Friend to All Children '
  • Cheating Death: Those That Lived: Mercy Gregor is very protective of young children. She is horrified when all the tributes Reaped for her Games turn out to be 12 years old due to Executive Meddling, and spends the rebellion protecting orphans from reaper mutts.
@ Pint-Sized Powerhouse
  • Cheating Death: Those That Lived: Boulder Atherston is 3'4" (just over a metre) tall due to his dwarfism, yet becomes Victor of the 21st Hunger Games mainly due to his impressive strength.

Edited by Melinda on Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:28:39 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16181: Dec 1st 2021 at 11:47:20 PM

Magnificent Bastard

  • Bones: "Murder in the Middle East": Jimmy Kosinski is a charming yet vicious bookie, planning to get money from FBI Agent Seeley Booth, after a bet on his goes wrong. Jimmy subtlety threatens his wife, Dr. Temperance Brennan, and their daughter, for the money by disguising it as but a simple visit he will make. When Booth's partner James Aubrey tries to stop him, Jimmy simply reveals he could reveal Booth's gambling issues to the press and ruin his FBI career if they try, while cleverly masking it as just a hypothetical scenario, knowing theirs nothing they can do to react to this threat with it being presented like that. Ultimately, Jimmy ends his run as one of the show's most successful villains, having gotten the money and one of the few to get away with it all.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 1st 2021 at 11:47:31 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16182: Dec 2nd 2021 at 5:37:58 AM

From page 647 and [up] @Orror SANESS

Wang is willing to get rid of Chinese democracy for a military dictatorship under...

^ If either of these is a proper name (and should be capitalized), that needs to be made clear in the example.

The Spartan Way: The Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem enforces this trope on its soldiers.

^ This is a Zero-Context Example because you don't say what the Empire does that fits the trope.

From Part 1 to Early Part 5, the Reich...while the Reich...the Holy...replaced the Reich...under a federation.

In the early parts...and there were no wham lines...

...definition of conspiracy, which...something, <- comma then by definition the world is...

I've already corrected the MKULTRA example.

The Committee are fun hating villains. They banned the Roman rock album...for "pagan" influences.

^ Deleted material that violated Word Cruft - This Example Is an Example.

...Roman cities. The ...and its representation, Angela Merkel, <- comma as...

Josh is a Hate Sink, which is the reason that he killed...killed off the Indian chancellor, Angela...in the background.

...but as of right now they play second fiddle to Elias's Rome. <- period

In Parts 4 and 5, Gandhi, Angelos, and Motolov divide Reich territory among themselves. In Part 5, Elias assassinates Thierry Baudet, nukes Roman cities, blackmails Kaiser Wilhelm Karl and turns him into a puppet, and turns the Reich into the Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem regime.

^ Deleted material that violated Word Cruft - This Example Is an Example.

^ Changed verbs from past tense to present tense as per How to Write an Example - Write in Historical Present Tense.

Edited by Arivne on Dec 2nd 2021 at 5:52:26 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16183: Dec 2nd 2021 at 5:57:40 AM

From page 647 and [up] @kawaiineko333

...(multiple people saying different versions of...

Happens again in Dragalia Life #411...

^ "Happens again" goes against How to Write an Example - Don't Refer to Other Items on the Page and Word Cruft - This Example Is an Example.

Edited by Arivne on Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:13:52 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16184: Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:06:12 AM

[up] @Melinda

...(according to his own journal, anyway). <- close parenthesis However...

Her name and characterization only come from the interviews, <- comma and she...

The day after the bloodbath, the Careers find Jay hiding behind a curtain.

...sitcom <- no comma Fiona...Hunger Games, <- comma and...

Peridot is described to be a proper lady who has immaculate hair and has a fondness for candy.

She is horrified when all the tributes Reaped for her Games turn out to be 12 years old...

Edited by Arivne on Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:06:31 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16185: Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:12:23 AM

[up] @miraculous

...FBI agent Seeley Booth <- no comma after a bet of his...Jimmy subtly threatens Booth's wife...daughter <- no comma for...Jimmy simply says he...knowing there's nothing...

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16186: Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:44:49 AM

Thanks Arivne

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#16187: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:13:04 AM

Thanks Arvine

@Arvine, that's why I edited a few of my ideas.

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:06:35 AM

kawaiineko333 Since: Nov, 2010
#16188: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:34:22 AM

@Arivne

Dragalia Life is a 4-panel comic that can be accessed inside and outside the game that are silly stories. Also, why is the word "multiple" meant to be lowercase?

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"The Juice is Loose."
#16189: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:16:56 AM

Trying to expand an entry on The Mummy (1999):

  • Actor Shipping: Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz's powerful onscreen chemistry was one of the reasons for the film's success and many who desire a fourth film would like to see the two together onscreen again. This is despite the fact that Weisz is married to Daniel Craig and that they haven't remained close after the films according to Weisz. It doesn't help that Weisz once described Fraser as "hunky".

Any corrections?

Edited by Bullman on Dec 2nd 2021 at 12:18:49 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#16190: Dec 2nd 2021 at 1:46:03 PM

Hohenzollern Empire AAR

Dystopia Justifies the Means: Wang Jingwei is willing to get rid of Chinese Democracy for a Military Dictatorship under his rule. He used the opportunity of World War 2 just to speed up the transition he started.

The Spartan Way: The Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem enforces this trope on it's soldiers as The Government claims that they need to be manly to destroy all traces of secular civilization. Soldiers are a separate class from the upper and lower roman civilian class.

Athens and Sparta: From Part 1 to Early Part 5, the Reich is Athens and the Eimericans are Sparta. the Eimericans were divided into multiple nations while The Reich was (mostly) united in becoming more "civilized" (better wages and more welfare programs). Later into Part 5, the Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem that replaced the Reich is Sparta while The EIMERICANS are Athens, this time united under a federation.

Later-Installment Weirdness: In the early parts of The Hohenzollern Empire AAR (Parts 1-3), you usually knew where things would go and there were no wham lines. In Part 4, there was the first Wham Line and in Part 5, you got many Something Completely Different moments that usually weren't there in Parts 1-3. The writing got more unpredictable as time went on.

Fun-Hating Villain: The Committee banned Roman Album "Normaal" and replaced it with cringy "Christian Rock", as well as Tolkien novels for "pagan" influences. Word of God says that The Committee just hates fun.

Viler New Villain: Elias is viler than Sentinel. Elias is willing to nuke Roman Cities. The Sentinel never stooped that low. Josh is viler than the establishment and its representation, Angela Merkel, as he agrees with Elias while Angela and the former establishment (now the resistance) don't.

Hate Sink: Josh is a Hate Sink that was the reason that killed most of the main cast in later Part 5. He killed his teacher, who wanted to see Josh redeemed, off the Indian chancellor, Angela Hansen (Merkel), Anders Humboult, Diana Frank, Olga Kirova, and many soldiers in the background. He desires to kill the good part of the main cast because of some grudge he has against his former victim, Alex. In-Universe, he's considered a Complete Monster by the main cast (good and bad) for the terrible things he's done.

Big Bad Wannabe: Han's China wants to be the one that's on top and bring "balance" to the world, but as of right now they play second fiddle to Elias's Rome.

Knight of Cerebus: In Parts 4 and 5, Gandhi, Angelos, and Motolov divide Reich territory among themselves. In Part 5, Elias assassinates Thierry Baudet, nukes Roman cities, blackmails Kaiser Wilhelm Karl and turns him into a puppet, and turns the Reich into the Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem regime.

Vile Villain, Laughable Lackey: In World War 1, Angelos is the vile villain as he cruelly took tons of Tatawyansuyuan territory without the permission of either Rome or Tatawyansuyu. Tsardom Of Yadvi as a Fascist dictatorship is the Laughable Lackey as it got easily destroyed by the Soviet Commune.

Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: In Part 3, Bose and Chandra Gupta (Gandhi) took over India and exiled The Indian King, turning India into a Fascist Dictatorship. Angelos was slowly attempting to turn Otto into his puppet in a plan to create a republic with Angelos as dictator.

Motive Decay: In Part 3, The Soviet Commune wants to spread Communism and Workers Revolution around the world. In Part 5, The Soviet Commune simply wants to destroy Rome.

Faction Calculus: In Part 2, there are 6 affinities: Cannons (Triple Alliance, Tran, Yuan, and The Heretics), Powerhouses (Scandinavia, Persia, and Lithuania), The Horde (Timurids, Manchu, Yadvi), Subversive (Ming, Jin, and Kanata), and Balanced (the Reich (Rome), Bharat (India), Ethiopia (Abyssinia), Russia, and Mali).

X Must Not Win: In Part 1, the Mongols must not win against the Reich when the Mongol Empire declares war on the Reich because if the Mongol Empire wins then the terms that the Mongol Empire made before the war begins, that The Reich would be annexed into the Mongol Empire would be enforced. In Part 2, If Martin Luther and his heretics wins, Berlin would be nuked, and worse, the universe would be destroyed. He is helped by many bad angels, demons, Archangel Michael, and especially Satan. In Part 3, Angelos must have as little victories as possible or Rome (the Reich) would Heel–Face Turn. In Part 4, The Reich must not fall to the world (but mostly Angelos), or else the world would fall into global authoritarianism. At the same time, if Gabriel wins, then Gabriel would become a new God and the universe would be his. In Part 5, If The Soviets win, Deromanization would happen and Rome would be forcefully divided into several warring states. The Sentinel must not win or they will allow aliens to Take Over the World. After The Sentinel was defeated The Establishment must not win or else nothing would change. Later, after The Establishment was overthrown by the people and turned into the resistance, Jerusalem must not be allowed to win or else they will Take Over the World.

Quantity vs. Quality: In Part 2, it's subverted in the sense that the Reich has both Quality and Quantity. In the gameplay, it's played straight as most of the Reich's opponents has higher quality soldiers than the Reich, but the Reich has a higher quantity of soldiers. the Reich wins most battles but loses some. In Part 4, The Axis, for the most part chooses Quality (although they used a mix if quality and quantity due to influences of Parts 2 and 3). The Central Powers (Only the Reich at this point) for the most part chose Quantity (although they have a mix of quantity and quality for the same reason as The Axis). The Tianxia (Allies) and The Comintern chose, for the most part, Quantity (though Soviets have some quality). The Central Powers won World War 2 in the end.

Quality over Quantity: Zolton declares war on Tejas (Texas) in a one-on-one, with most people expecting Zolton to win. Zolton had the more advanced technology (latest weapons, vehicles, etc.), as well as more soldiers. As people who know the history of The Gulf War know, this is a Curb-Stomp Battle in favor of Tejas. While Mexico had the more advanced army, they didn't capture the hearts and minds of Tejas people. Even their supposedly "elite" forces got obliterated easily. Tejas also had higher morale due to circumstances that happened while the Mexican Army was in Tejas. This illustrates important but often forgotten lessons: You can raise a giant army, and even have the latest gadgets, but it won't do any good if there's little to no morale or if they don't know what they're doing. Mexico recovered for a little, and even annexed Free Aztlan (another nation), and then gets annihilated by a Roman led Coalition.

Quantity Over Quality: In Part 2, The Reich defeated Lithuania even after Lithuania had proven to have higher quality soldiers than the Reich had.

Butt-Dialing Mordor: Thierry Baudet made a political party called The Christian Brotherhood and after a little advertisement, allowed Elias Anhorn to learn about his party and corrupt it to his whims.

Rogue Protagonist: The people of The Reich desires a world conquest and for 0 greenhouse gas emissions around the world no matter the cost. That's why The Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem is successful in being the most powerful nation in The World.

Indy Ploy: In Part 4, when the "Second" Roman Civil War (World War 2) happens there was no real plan for the loyalists other than "Keep Otto alive", "Kill The Angeloi", and "Survive". Instead of defending the ports, Otto ordered the loyalist legionaries to retreat to Constantinople which led to the loyalists dying, or being undercover Angeloi. No wonder there were more defections occurring than Zen planned! It worked out for Otto in the end (Zen kept spamming the console to have the Reich have 100 percent national unity) as the Angeloi lost anyways.

Josh doesn't really have a plan when he goes into battle. He just uses his instincts, and it led to him killing lots of the main cast.

Xanatos Gambit: Angelos tries to make Otto a puppet by passing legislation. It almost works. However, he didn't think Otto was smart enough to escape him.

The Usurper: Malcom Bethune was the first one to do this, when his time was almost up he didn't give up and died as a result.

Fredrich Von Arbon was this as he repeats lots of Malcom's actions. He gives up unlike Malcom.

Maximillian Von Hohenzollern was this unwillingly. He was forced by Maximists to take the throne when he just wants to serve under Sigismund, and plant flowers.

Wilhelm Karl does so killing Otto. He ends up getting killed by Elias.

A.I.-Generated Economy: In Part 3, Zen claimed that while he built some factories, The AI did most of the work, as in the end the Reich has a score of more than 50,000!

Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Anime)

Don't Fear the Reaper: Homura shouldn't be feared. She is all right... as long as you don't antagonize her.

Conspiracy Kitchen Sink (Real Life)

Conspiracy Kitchen Sink: Using the oldest definition of conspiracy, which is two or more people plotting/planning something, then by definition the world is a Conspiracy Kitchen Sink.

Mind Control Conspiracy (Real Life)

Mind-Control Conspiracy: Project MKULTRA is a Mind-Control conspiracy meets Government Conspiracy (and a perennial cog in many modern conspiracy theories). The CIA attempted to use LSD, other drugs, and hypnosis to develop some form of mind control. As described below, most of the actual evidence points toward it having been a hilarious failure. They also used ridiculously damaging amounts of electroshock, sensory deprivation and other experimental treatments on its subjects to try to inform brainwashing. One of the more well-known theories is that the ultimate goal was in fact to set up dissociative identities in the subconscious of certain individuals that could be activated at any time, override the primary personality, and be completely obedient and subservient (usually for purposes of assassination). For further conspiracy, there is widespread belief among conspiracy-theorists and ex-CIA agents alike that the idea that MKULTRA has in fact been stopped is misinformation, and the project continues in various modernised forms to this day.

The FBI tried to mind-control people at one point and found out that the only drug that proved remotely useful for mind control was simple pot. They spiked an arrested gangster's cigarettes with THC (it was not unusual then to give a perp cigarettes, since pretty much everyone was a smoker), and he proceeded to spill the beans on some heist or other. Of course, even THC proved to be prohibitively unpredictable.

(Any corrections?)

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:16:02 AM

kawaiineko333 Since: Nov, 2010
#16191: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:23:37 PM

Since nobody did it, I'll fill in the Man of Medan entry for Honest Trailers 2019 Episodes.

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#16192: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:13:24 PM

@ Mars Attacks!

  • Dumbass Has a Point: As materialistic and flighty as Marsha is, she is able to recognize how dangerous the Martians are after they massacre General Casey and the rest of his party and urges her husband to "Kick the crap out of them."
  • Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: General Casey comes across as a dutiful, open-minded Reasonable Authority Figure at first. Later though, he admits that he's only sucking up to his boss for the sake of his career, indicating that he doesn't take his (extremely significant) duties seriously.
  • Bald Of Awesome: Decker is a fearless military man who doesn't have a single hair on his head.
@ Mars Attacks! @ The Victors Project @ 'The Victors Project''
  • The Dead Have Names:
    • Near the end of The Lumberjack and the Tree Elf, Blight remembers every single one of his fellow tributes, recalling their names and how they died.
    ''All of their faces. All of their names. They've been filed away by the Capitol as Hunger Games deaths 1,199-1,121, but to me they will always be the boys and girls who could've come home if it weren't for me.
    • Cora is tortured by Snow for the names of rebels in District 8, but the people whose names she shouts at him aren't rebels, and are no longer among the living.
    "Sammy Jones. Eileen Martin. Satin Kasten ... Monica Thomas. Chrysanthemum Frill. Linyn Johnson." My voice is a long, loud scream but the names of my tributes hang in the air like a spell.
    • Haymitch's chapter lists all 47 kids who died in the Quell, with various tidbits abut their lives, dreams, and talents. The last lines of the chapter reveal that no matter how drunk Haymitch gets every year, he can't forget a single one of their names.
@ Spies Like Us
  • Ensemble Dark Horse
    • The Ms. Fanservice Soviet technician played by a young Vanessa Angel is pretty popular, despite being an unnamed Satellite Love Interest who only appears in the last act.
    • Karen's partner Jerry Hadley is only in a few scenes before being killed, but fans like him for his competence, acting abilities, and friendly demeanor.
@ Supergod
  • Only Sane by Comparison: Jerry Craven lives in a fantasy where he's in Heaven and goes back to Earth to help the government, when really they brought him back to life as a cyborg against his will after he died. Nonetheless, he's the only Supergod to treat humans with respect and compassion rather than apathetically killing them by the thousands. He's also the only one who recognizes that fighting Krishna will only cause massive civilian casualties and should be avoided at all costs.
@ Castle S 2 E 8 Kill The Messenger
  • All for Nothing: Blake's mother and brother kept him from finding out that Olivia was his illegitimate daughter and accepting her (which ultimately leads to three deaths) out of concern that the scandal would keep Blake from being elected senator. He lost the election anyway.
  • The Voice: The detectives listen to recordings of two phone calls Brady Thompson made, but never meet him in person before he's murdered.
@ Cheating Death: Those That Lived
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Chaff's characterization as a fussy Teacher's Pet with Skewed Priorities and Break the Haughty Character Development is praised for being a unique version of his character and is insanely memorable, even though he barely appears outside of his chapter.
    • Dollar's status as a District 1 victor who's a hilariously tactless Crazy Survivalist and Zombie Apocalypse prepper has received high praise. Not everyone likes how her arena is a recreation of Resident Evil 3, but just about everyone likes her character and wishes she had dialogue in more than two or three chapters.
    • Boulder, a Pint Sized Power House who doesn't oppose the Games but is occasionally revolted by them, is considered to be one of the best, if not the best, District 2 victors, despite appearing in less than five scenes after the conclusion of his chapter.
    • Stallion has a lot of fans due to being a Gentle Giant germaphobe who mostly wins his Games (which take place in a sewer) by hilariously stampeding around in a panic, and then becomes a decent and caring mentor. He only has a main role in two or three chapters, but he is one of the victors who attracts the most He's Just Hiding sentiment.
    • Pasture only has speaking roles in two chapters, but pretty much every fan of the story can fondly recall her at an instant's notice due to her status as a Large Ham hillbilly who breaks the kill record by beating people to death with shoes.
    • Skinner's chapter is his only significant appearance in the story, but some people praise him as District 10's best victor so far due to being a fearless One-Man Army and Hunter of Monsters who avoids targeting the other tributes in the arena.
  • The Scrappy: Olga is probably the least popular victor who isn't a deliberate Hate Sink due to being an Expy of Boudicca from The Victors Project but lacking Boudicca's competence and better qualities. Common things fans hate about her include her vindictiveness, her incompetent training methods, her Lack of Empathy for her dead tributes (save one of her relatives), her nastiness toward so many of her fellow District 2 victors, her constant Ignored Epiphany moments, her murder of Rook during the Rebellion, and how she hypnotizes Lyme into becoming a killer after she denounces the Games. While some people argue that she is Rescued from the Scrappy Heap following her Heel Realization and Character Development, others feel that it's too little, too late, and loathe how Olga is one of the few surviving victors.

Edited by Melinda on Dec 3rd 2021 at 7:31:30 AM

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"The Juice is Loose."
#16193: Dec 3rd 2021 at 7:49:25 AM

For Live-Action Films:

  • Minutemen: Despite Virgil being in love with Stephanie, to the point that the film ends with them getting a Maybe Ever After, you will find next to no fanfiction pairing him with her. Instead, most fans prefer to pair him with either of his co-male leads, Zeke or Charlie. Zeke/Virgil is arguably the most popular due to the chemistry between Jason Dolley and Nicholas Braun, and Zeke being the most popular character from the film. Charlie/Virgil is popular because of the large amount of screentime dedicated to their friendship and is also more popular than Charlie's canon relationship with Jeanette.

Any corrections?

Edited by Bullman on Dec 3rd 2021 at 10:19:03 AM

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Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16194: Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:10:29 AM

^ @kawaiineko333

Also, why is the word "multiple" meant to be lowercase?

^ As a general rule, information inside parentheses doesn't have the first word capitalized unless English rules require it.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16195: Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:15:41 AM

[up] Bullman

...reasons for the film's success, <- comma and...after the films, <- comma according...

...Stephanie <- no comma to the point...Nicholas Braun <- no comma and Zeke...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16196: Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:26:34 AM

[up] @Orror SANESS

As far as I can tell, I've already proofread all of this. If not, any new material needs to be put by itself in a new post.

Edited by Arivne on Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:33:47 AM

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#16198: Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:50:21 AM

[up] @Melinda

Blight remembers every single one of his fellow tributes, recalling their names and how they died.

^ You could also use "memorializes".

...but the people whose names she shouts at him aren't rebels...

...when really they brought him back to life...who recognizes that...

...version of his character and is insanely memorable, <- comma even though...

...is considered to be one of the best, if not the best, District 2 victors, <- comma despite...

...who mostly wins his Games...by hilariously stampeding around in a panic, <- comma and then becomes a decent and caring mentor.

^ I'm assuming that his becoming a mentor didn't help him win his victories earlier, which your original wording (without the comma) implies.

^ If you did mean that, this would be written:

"...by hilariously stampeding around in a panic and then becoming a decent and caring mentor."

Edited by Arivne on Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:50:57 AM

OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#16199: Dec 3rd 2021 at 9:33:32 AM

@Arvine, I see.

Hohenzollern Empire AAR

The Siege: The Siege of Bermanhaven was this when The Committee was put in power as the Reich's population slowly integrates into Jerusalem. Bermanhaven ended up getting nuked.

Vile Villain, Laughable Lackey: In World War 1, Angelos is the vile villain as he cruelly took tons of Tatawyansuyuan territory without the permission of either Rome or Tatawyansuyu. Tsardom Of Yadvi as a Fascist dictatorship is the Laughable Lackey as it got easily destroyed by the Soviet Commune.

Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: In Part 3, Bose and Chandra Gupta (Gandhi) takes over India and exiles The Indian King, turning India into a Fascist Dictatorship. Angelos slowly attempts to turn Otto into his puppet in a plan to create a republic with Angelos as dictator.

President Evil: Gandhi was elected by the people to be the leader of India, unlike the king, or Bose.

Glorious Leader: Gandhi, after the people overthrows Bose and later the Chinese puppet government, Pakasthana and reunited with the Indian Republic that Gandhi made.

Motive Decay: In Part 3, The Soviet Commune wants to spread Communism and Workers Revolution around the world. In Part 5, the Soviet Commune is more interested in destroying Rome than spreading the Workers Revolution. When the Soviet Commune becomes a backwater, they became more preoccupied with their own survival than they are with workers revolution or the destruction of Rome. Then Valentin turns things around and starts World War III for workers revolution and the destruction of Rome!

The Reich's goal is to bring and keep "balance" around the world. The Reich's interpretation of it's own goal being the preservation of the political status quo. In Part 5, Jerusalem's motive is world conquest.

Faction Calculus: In Part 2, there are 6 affinities: Cannons (Triple Alliance, Tran, Yuan, and The Heretics), Powerhouses (Scandinavia, Persia, and Lithuania), The Horde (Timurids, Manchu, Yadvi), Subversive (Ming, Jin, and Kanata), and Balanced (the Reich (Rome), Bharat (India), Ethiopia (Abyssinia), Russia, and Mali).

X Must Not Win: In Part 1, the Mongols must not win against the Reich when the Mongol Empire declares war on the Reich because if the Mongol Empire wins then the terms that the Mongol Empire made before the war begins, that The Reich would be annexed into the Mongol Empire would be enforced. In Part 2, If Martin Luther and his heretics wins, Berlin would be nuked, and worse, the universe would be destroyed. He is helped by many bad angels, demons, Archangel Michael, and especially Satan. In Part 3, Angelos must have as little victories as possible or Rome (the Reich) would Heel–Face Turn. In Part 4, The Reich must not fall to the world (but mostly Angelos), or else the world would fall into global authoritarianism. At the same time, if Gabriel wins, then Gabriel would become a new God and the universe would be his. In Part 5, If The Soviets win, Deromanization would happen and Rome would be forcefully divided into several warring states. The Sentinel must not win or they will allow aliens to Take Over the World. After The Sentinel was defeated The Establishment must not win or else nothing would change. Later, after The Establishment was overthrown by the people and turned into the resistance, Jerusalem must not be allowed to win or else they will Take Over the World.

Quantity vs. Quality: In Part 2, it's subverted in the sense that the Reich has both Quality and Quantity. In the gameplay, it's played straight as most of the Reich's opponents has higher quality soldiers than the Reich, but the Reich has a higher quantity of soldiers. the Reich wins most battles but loses some. In Part 4, The Axis, for the most part chooses Quality (although they used a mix if quality and quantity due to influences of Parts 2 and 3). The Central Powers (Only the Reich at this point) for the most part chose Quantity (although they have a mix of quantity and quality for the same reason as The Axis). The Tianxia (Allies) and The Comintern chose, for the most part, Quantity (though Soviets have some quality). The Central Powers wins World War 2 in the end.

Quality over Quantity: Zolton declares war on Tejas (Texas) in a one-on-one, with most people expecting Zolton to win. Zolton had the more advanced technology (latest weapons, vehicles, etc.), as well as more soldiers. As people who know the history of The Gulf War know, this is a Curb-Stomp Battle in favor of Texas. While Mexico had the more advanced army, they didn't capture the hearts and minds of Texas people. Even their supposedly "elite" forces got obliterated easily. Texas also had higher morale due to circumstances that happened while the Mexican Army was in Tejas. This illustrates important but often forgotten lessons: You can raise a giant army, and even have the latest gadgets, but it won't do any good if there's little to no morale or if they don't know what they're doing. Mexico recovered for a little, and even annexed Free Aztlan (another nation), and then gets annihilated by a Roman led Coalition.

Quantity Over Quality: In Part 2, The Reich usually defeats Lithuania even after Lithuania has proven to have higher quality soldiers than the Reich has.

Soviet Superscience: The Soviets were the first human nation since Ancient Humanity to put a satellite to space, which they call Sputnik. They even had nukes before the Reich did.

Butt-Dialing Mordor: Thierry Baudet made a political party called The Christian Brotherhood and after a little advertisement, unwittingly allowed Elias Anhorn to learn about his party and corrupt it to his whims.

Rogue Protagonist: The people of The Reich desires a world conquest and for 0 greenhouse gas emissions around the world no matter the cost. That's why The Holy Roman Empire Of Jerusalem is successful in being the most powerful nation in The World.

Indy Ploy: In Part 4, when the "Second" Roman Civil War (World War 2) happens there was no real plan for the loyalists other than "Keep Otto alive", "Kill The Angeloi", and "Survive". Instead of defending the ports, Otto ordered the loyalist legionaries to retreat to Constantinople which led to the loyalists dying, or are undercover Angeloi! No wonder there were more defections occurring than Zen planned! It worked out for Otto in the end (Zen kept spamming the console to have the Reich have 100 percent national unity) as the Angeloi lost anyways.

Josh doesn't really plan things out. He just uses his instincts to kill people. It has worked, as those instincts were able to kill a big chunk of of the main cast.

Sudden Sequel Heel Syndrome: When the X-Division arc began, Angela Merkel helped Anders expose in his quest to defeat Sentinel, expose aliens to the world, and spread truth. After The X-Division arc ended, the Roman Political Establishment became the main villain, and their representation was Angela Merkel.

Skeleton Government: Fascist Aztecs were a skeleton government, as they didn't have the time to actually set up their government before being taken over by Equalists. Fascist Yadvi was this as well as they didn't have the time to truly set up their government before being taken over by Equalists themselves.

Hazy-Feel Turn: When Mexico turned from equalism to Pallauism, The leader of Mexico, Zolton made alliances so tangled that Zen retconned it, although it could've been explained by saying Zolton was an Athantanoi agent, whether it was true or not. Mexico's turn from Fascism to Equalism is arguably a Hazy-Feel Turn, as The Fascist government was unable to do anything before being taken over.

Revolving Door Revolution: The People lose faith in Absolute Monarchy in Mexico so they switch to Fascism. They lose faith in that system so they switch to Equalism. After a coup, Mexico became Pallauist. After a Regime Change spearheaded by the resident Hegemonic Empire Rome, Mexico became a Meritocratic Monarchy. Fascist But Inefficient: Mexico, when they got rid of their Jaguar Warriors, tried to train their "Aztecs" into a military force but failed to. This got them to go to equalism.

Dystopia Is Hard: In Part 5, Once The Cuban Dictator was assassinated, no one wanted to continue the civil war.

Face–Heel Turn: Malcom Bethune attempting to turn the Riech to intolerance in Part 2. India turning into a Military dictatorship in Part 3 and turning into a Fascist one later in Part 3. China becoming a military dictatorship in Part 4. The Reich slowly turning into Jerusalem in Part 5.

Heel–Face Turn: Mexico turning to Meritocracy in Part 5.

China reverting to Democracy in Part 5.

Fox becoming a meritocracy in part 5.

Josh doesn't really have a plan when he goes into battle. He just uses his instincts, and it led to him killing lots of the main cast.

The Usurper: Malcom Bethune was the first one to do this, when his time was almost up he didn't give up and died as a result.

Fredrich Von Arbon was this as he repeats lots of Malcom's actions. He gives up unlike Malcom.

Maximillian Von Hohenzollern was this unwillingly. He was forced by Maximists to take the throne when he just wants to serve under Sigismund Von Hohenzollern, and garden peacefully.

Wilhelm Karl does so killing Otto. He ends up getting killed by Elias.

A.I.-Generated Economy: In Part 3, Zen claimed that while he built some factories, The AI did most of the work, as in the end of Part 3, the Reich has a score of more than 50,000, while in second place, China had a score of 30,000 despite it's less than satisfactory performance.

Slept Through the Apocalypse: Heinrich did so, sleeping while Elias nukes the world.

Civilization Destroyer: Elias seems to be that way to Eimerican Civilization. The worm was this to ancient humanity.

Abusive Precursors: The Worm Cult is this to the galaxy. The Worm screwing over everyone ever since who knows how long.

The End of the World as We Know It: Jerusalem nuking everyone after Han mocked Elias's masculinity.

Nothing Is the Same Anymore: Now that almost every country has been nuked by Elias.

Late to the Tragedy: Manfred was late to his friend’s tragedies and soon joined them. Heinrich is this to a greater extent.

Barbarian Tribe: Tarascan and Tlapanec is this when they break free from The Aztecs in Part 3. Tarascan especially as they attempt to bring back Human Sacrifice and slavery, even though The Aztecs banned Human Sacrifice centuries ago, and the world didn't end.

The Government: The Roman Reich in Part 5 was this, they were keeping environmental regulations from happening.

Grey-and-Gray Insanity: LKR guy thinks the world is morally gray. He proves it in a UN meeting by quoting random verses in The Bible with his conclusion being that "BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME".

Black-and-White Insanity: Since The Worm is a real being, and it infiltrated the Catholic Church and Abbasid Caliphate, Saint Willhelma thought that all Catholics (Mostly French) and Muslims (Mostly Arabs) were Worm cultists and genocided most of the French and Arab population due to that. She grew out of it Tearjerker after meeting one last time with Saint Gunhilda.

Ambadassador: Olga Kirova is an ambassador of Russia in The UN. She has the ability to kill Super soldiers and lay waste to entire armies. She also has a gauntlet that makes her stronger.

Reed Richards Is Useless: The Roosevelts don't exist. This is possibly because of the butterfly effect. Winston Churchill doesn't exist in this universe. Same reason as above. The Syndicate and Sentinel had alien technology. They could've directly taken over the world but didn't for some reason. They let themselves get taken over by a cringy Pavel. Pavel had super soldiers and... he used them incompetently. He tried to take over the world and was stopped before the plot could even begin.

Beethoven Was an Alien Spy: Gerhard Schroder allowed 11/9 to happen due to being pressured by Sentinel, who was working for aliens. Martin Luther was assisted by most of the angels to set up the destruction of everything.

Omnicidal Neutral: The Angels that wanted the apocalypse simply believed that they were doing what God told them to do.

The Antichrist: The Imperial Orthodox Church thought that Martin Luther was this. It turns out that they were fighting a fake Martin Luther, the fake Luther was the Whore Of Babylon, and the REAL Martin Luther has been dead for quite some time.

The Heretics thought that Mansur Shah Muktar was The Antichrist, but he was actually just an Inquisitor with a German and Roman fetish trying to stop the apocalypse.

Any changes necessary?

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Dec 9th 2021 at 7:40:46 AM

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"The Juice is Loose."
#16200: Dec 3rd 2021 at 10:42:13 AM

For Ships That Pass in the Night (one for the Power Rangers tree):

  • American Horror Story: Murder House: There is a surprising number of fanfics for Billie Dean Howard and Nora Montgomery around the internet, even though the two never meet and are only in the same place in a total of one episode. This is actually because the following seasons would have their actresses play very popular sips and so they are included as sort of Ship Mates. Apocalypse didn't help by having Billie Dean reference knowing Nora.

  • Lauren/Mia from Power Rangers Samurai is surprisingly popular, despite the fact that the two barely interact, mainly due to Mia being one of the few members on the team to be kind to Lauren from the start, Lauren being the only one to like Mia's cooking, and it falling into the long-standing tradition of shipping red and Pink Rangers.

Any corrections?

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