To-do list:
- Move correct examples from Archived Army and History's Crime Wave to Historical Domain Crossover. Note that the definition is no longer villain-specific.
Both of the entries on the discussion page are by ~Mr Thorfan 64 (who should be tagged if this tag doesn't work), who appears to have created the page without YKTTW back in 2012 with the first paragraph of the current description as the entire description. Curiously, the Trope Namer, by my reading of its description, is not an example of the narrower definition as the villains in question don't seem to have been presented as working together, and the page creator also included two Literature examples involving people being punished in the underworld, meaning the impression I had about what both definitions entailed - that the villains in question were being actively villainous in the story, presumably set in the modern day, that is, outside the context of their original villainy - may not have been intended as part of the definition, let alone the "team-up" aspect.
I'm guessing the discussion page was mentioned because at one point he suggested moving the page to Archived Army, even though that page had already existed since at least 2010, and it's hard not to see that as anything but wondering if the narrower definition was The Same, but More Specific to that page, implying the narrower definition was intended, and the examples he added to the page do all involve multiple villains in roughly equivalent roles. (He also proposed this as an image, and even though I said the Trope Namer wasn't an example of the narrower definition the cover sure seems to suggest it is.)
Usage check looks at all 42 pages that link to this one. Top-level results:
- Historical villains teaming up: 14/42 (33.3%)
- Multiple historical villains committing villainy without working together: 7/42 (16.7%)
- Multiple historical villains being impersonated to commit crimes without necessarily being portrayed as working together before The Reveal: 3/42 with one being a duplicate of another (7.1%) (which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?)
- Multiple historical villains appear: 2/42 (4.8%)
- Any number of historical figures as villains: 5/42 (11.9%)
- Any number of historical villains appear: 1/42 (2.4%)
- Indices/unclassifiable: 10/42 (23.8%)
- Archived Army: A Super-Trope to History's Crime Wave and related to Jury of the Damned and Stupid Jetpack Hitler. See above. Classifying as historical villains teaming up.
- Army of The Ages, regarding Night at the Museum: In the sequel, Stiller leads an army consisting of Amelia Earhart, General Custer (and most of his army), and several returning characters from the first film against Kahmunrah (who claimed to be Akmenrah's older brother) and his own Army Of the ages led by Al Capone, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Ivan the Terrible. Villains teaming up, though the entry may not see the trope as limited to that.
- Confronting Your Imposter: There is a comic by the Finnish comic artist Petri Hiltunen where a man brings a supply of weaponry to a group of outlaws who turn out to be the immortal revenants of various historical villains. Villains teaming up
- Dead Person Conversation: In Deadly Advice, Jodie is advised by a History's Crime Wave of Britain's most infamous (deceased) murderers. See below
- Ensembles: Index
- Historical Domain Character: Index but note that Jury of the Damned is listed under it as a second-level bullet point.
- Historical Villain Upgrade: Simply using bad people from history as villains goes under History's Crime Wave. Any number of historical figures as villains
- Jury of the Damned: See also Joker Jury, Judgement of the Dead and History's Crime Wave. Unclassifiable
- Spirit Advisor: In Deadly Advice, Jodie gains a group of spirit advisors in the form of the ghosts of five of Britain's most notorious murderers: Major Herbert Armstrong, Kate Webster, Dr. Crippen, G.J. Smith, and Jack the Ripper. See below. Note that the emphasis is more on the identities of the characters than whether they're working as a group.
- Spring-Heeled Jack, regarding Sorcerer Conjurer Wizard Witch: Jack is among the wax statues brought to life for History's Crime Wave. See below
- Time Travel Tropes: Any use of historical criminals. Any number of historical villains, regardless of whether they're actively committing villainy
- Trouble from the Past: Not to be confused with History's Crime Wave or with time-traveling villains. Unclassifiable
- Villains: Infamous historical figures used as antagonists. Any number of historical figures as villains
- Wax Museum Morgue: This comic is also the Trope Namer for History's Crime Wave. Unclassifiable
- Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS: Unclassifiable
- Characters.Shazam Villains: A one-man version, combining the 'powers' of Ivan the Terrible, Cesare Borgia, Attila the Hun and Caligula. Filing this under villains teaming up
- ComicBook.All Star Comics: The Trope Namer is All-Star Comics #38 where the Justice Society of America investigate Gotham City murders claimed to be performed by historical villains. Though they turn out to be the disguises of an insane wax museum guard, he succeeds in killing every member in the issue except Wonder Woman, who has to use the purple ray to bring them back to life. The villains are Nero, Goliath, Captain Kidd, Cesare Borgia, Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. Multiple figures as villains, impersonated
- ComicBook.Big Bang Comics: In "The Ghost Robbers of the Wax Museum!!" in #6, Knight Watchman's adversary and Master of Disguise Mr. Mask commits a series of robberies while adopting the identities of some of history's greatest villains: Jesse James, Blackbeard, Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, and Jack the Ripper. Multiple figures as villains, impersonated
- ComicBook.Justice Society Of America: Same as All-Star Comics above.
- ComicBook.Knight And Squire: The Bad Kings, clones of Richard III, John, William II, Charles I and Edward I, each with an army of criminals and a desire to reclaim part of Britain. Villains teaming up
- ComicBook.Legion Of Super Heroes: In Adventure Comics #314, a villain called Alaktor recruits history's three greatest villains (Nero, John Dillinger and Adolf Hitler) to take on the Legion. Villains teaming up
- ComicBook.Seven Soldiers Of Victory:Leading Comics #3 has the Seven Soldiers of Victory working against Dr Doome (not Victor) who has used a time machine to summon up the Time Tyrants, Alexander the Great, Emperor Nero, Napoléon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. Villains teaming up
- Film.Deadly Advice: Jodie is advised by a collection of Britain's most notorious murderers: Major Herbert Armstrong, Kate Webster, Dr. Crippen, G.J. Smith, and Jack the Ripper. Nothing on the page or in examples on other pages makes clear whether the murderers are working together or not. Classifying as multiple figures as villains.
- Film.The Butchers: A Tome of Eldritch Lore brings Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish, the Zodiac Killer, and Jack the Ripper (or, more aptly, Jill the Ripper) back to life. Multiple figures as villains
- Futurama.Tropes E To H: A Holodeck malfunction causes Amy and Kif to get attacked by Jack the Ripper, Attila the Hun, the fictional Professor Moriarty, and Evil Lincoln. Multiple figures as villains
- ImageSource.DC Comics: Index
- Laconic.Historys Crime Wave: A bunch of historic baddies team-up. Or, Archived Army but with just infamous historical figures See above. Villains teaming up.
- Literature.Sorcerer Conjurer Wizard Witch: All the villains in Madame Tussaud's Chamber of Horrors are magically animated and sent out on a crime spree to serve as a distraction. Classifying as villains teaming up even though I'm not quite sure about that.
- Literature.The Odyssey: Odysseus goes to the Underworld and sees mythological villains being punished for their crimes, like the trickster Sisyphus, the husband-murdering daughters of Danaos;, and the cannibalistic Tantalus. Multiple historical villains appear
- Monster.Comic Books A To H, regarding Grimm Tales of Terror: "The Black Dahlia" (Issue #13): Jack the Ripper is introduced as an immortal vampire indicated to be Dracula himself who claims credit for the ghastliest unsolved murders in the modern day and countless more untold. Single historical figure used as a villain
- RedDwarf.Tropes A To I: In "Cured", the crew encounter a scientific base where Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, and Messalina have been recreated through cloning and cured of 'evil'. (Lab notes reveal that Rupert Murdoch proved resistant to the treatment.) However, it turns out the evildoers are actually androids who were originally the medical staff of the base who have been reprogrammed to believe they are historical villains. Multiple historical villains appear
- Sandbox.Historys Wick Check: Unclassifiable (this effort was incomplete, only checking 20 of a then-40 links. Page was marked with an asterisk on Tropes Needing TRS, hence why I performed this effort from scratch. Note that some examples are categorized differently; for example, the Trope Namer is effectively listed under "any number of historical villains appear" since it was just one guy committing the crimes, but I place more emphasis on the spirit of what the example thinks the trope is.)
- Sandbox.Monster Comic Books A To H: See above.
- Sandbox.Wick Check Project: Unclassifiable
- Series.Kamen Rider X: A variation, where the Nebulous Evil Organisation G.O.D. has the Villan Monsters, made by combining animal DNA with the DNA of historical figures. However, their list is all over the place: while it includes a few recognized villains like Al Capone, Genghis Khan, and Adolf Hitler (who resulted in the memetic Starfish Hitler), it also includes figures who were more ambiguous (Ishikawa Goemon, Geronimo), completely unremarkable (Benjamin Ogle), and some who were just straight-up fictional such as (Arsène Lupin). Classifying as villains teaming up because they're all working with the same organization even though they might never meet.
- Series.Legends Of Tomorrow: The "encores" in season 5 are historic villains revived by Astra. Mostly they reappear shortly after their death, and the Legends go to them, but in "Mortal Khanbat" Genghis Khan spent centuries making his way out of his tomb, and emerged in the 1990s, and in "The Great British Fake-Off", Jack the Ripper, Bonnie and Clyde, Brutus, Henry VIII and the pirate Black Caesar are all brought to 1910 by Lachesis. And yet I'm classifying this as any number of historical figures used as villains. *shrug*
- Series.Lois And Clark: In "That Old Gang of Mine", Mad Scientist Emil Hamilton creates clones of Al Capone, John Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde to demonstrate that evil is not inherent. It doesn't work out that way. (There was a comic book storyline at around the same time that may have been the inspiration, but it used fictional gangsters.) Classifying as multiple figures used as villains
- TheSimpsons.Tropes E To H: One Treehouse of Horror had Billy the Kid leading a gang of historical villains, including the most evil German in history — Kaiser Wilhelm! Villains teaming up
- TropeNamers.Comic Books: Index
- UsefulNotes.Lizzie Borden:
- A storyline in Avengers West Coast #98-100 (September-November, 1993), features a History's Crime Wave scenario. Lizzie serves as an agent of the Hell Lord Satannish. Codenamed "Axe of Violence", she has light red skin, her right hand is replaced by a double-headed axe, and she carries two other double-headed axes used as throwing weapons.
- Lizzie Borden appears in Time Squad as part of a History's Crime Wave formed by Alfred Nobel in the episode Nobel Peace Surprise. She is once again very inaccurately portrayed as a Card-Carrying Villain who does things For the Evulz. The other members of the crew were Black Bart, Jack the Ripper, Rasputin, and Mrs. O'Leary's cow.
- Both are villains teaming up (relying on context elsewhere for the Avengers example).
- WesternAnimation.Spider Man 1967: Parafino's Wax Robots of 'History's Greatest Villains'. Borderline ZCE. Classifying as multiple figures used as villains, partly based on the trope page entry, but that may be cutting it too much slack.
- WesternAnimation.Time Squad: An episode featured a team of historical bad guys, including Black Bart and Lizzie Borden. Villains teaming up
Suggestion: I've drawn a number of fine distinctions here but I doubt there are more than two distinct tropes to be had between them. If we have a trope at this title it should probably have the narrowest definition we make a trope out of; at the very least it should involve historical figures committing actual villainy to justify calling it a "crime wave", and in any case "any number of historical villains appear" feels like it's The Same, but More Specific of Historical Domain Character.note In any case, there's a grand total of two examples outside the page itself where the historical figures don't commit any actual villainy, plus one index defining actual in-story villainy as optional to the trope, so clearly that aspect of the trope is underused enough to jettison anyway.
I think the distinction with the best combination of tropeworthiness and enforceability is of multiple historical figures as villains regardless of whether they're depicted as working together; most of the examples I placed in that category I felt like I was splitting hairs in not considering them to be working together. You could also convince me that merely having any number of historical figures serve as villains could qualify, especially in light of the Legends of Tomorrow example(s), but the one other actual off-page example in that category (as opposed to indices or other pages defining the trope that way) seems to place more emphasis on the specific figure's villainy than just "the worst monsters in history have come to terrorize the present day". (And besides, wouldn't any appearance of Dracula technically fall under that category?)
Archived Army wick check:
Archived Army. Mixes work wicks and on-page examples.- In All-Select Comics #7, the sorcerer Terdu summons a group of villains from the past, whom he dubs the 'Men of Evil', to battle Captain America and Bucky. The Men of Evil were Captain Kidd, Jack the Ripper, Frank and Jesse James, Bluebeard, Gyp-the-Blood, and three gangsters (names unrevealed) who had died in the electric chair decades earlier.
- The Avengers: One iteration of the Lethal Legion villain team, recurring enemies of the team, was composed of history's greatest murderers, given superpowers by hell. They were Lucrezia Borgia, Lizzie Borden, Josef Stalin, and Heinrich Himmler. Lucrezia was codenamed "Cyana", granted blue skin, Absurdly Sharp Claws coated with poison, and a literal Kiss of Death. Lizzie was codenamed "Axe of Violence", granted light red skin, her right hand was replaced by a double-headed axe, and she carried two other double-headed axes used as throwing weapons. Josef was codenamed "Coldsteel", becoming a Chrome Champion with a body made of living steel, granting him Super-Strength and Super-Toughness. Heinrich was codenamed "Zyklon", granted a Powered Armor which allowed him to fly. He released Deadly Gas from his mask and gauntlets. They appeared in Avengers West Coast #98-100 (September-November, 1993).
- Justice Society of America: A comic has the JSA fighting what appears to be a band of villains out of history: Nero, Goliath, Captain Kidd, Cesare Borgia, Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. It turns out to be one guy (a guard at a wax museum) masquerading as all these figures. However he succeeds in killing the entire male membership of the Society in that issue. They get better.
- In Knight and Squire #3, Richard III is resurrected and he proceeds to resurrect England's other 'bad' kings: William II, John, Edward I, and Charles I. The monarchs are granted genetically enhanced superpowers and each leads a criminal army to take over a different part of the UK.
- Requiem Vampire Knight: Dracula keeps the heads of Napoléon Bonaparte, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Saladin and a future Martian conqueror to plan his strategies. The elite vampires (people who committed great atrocities in life) include Elizabeth Báthory (Dracula's wife), Nero, Attila the Hun, and Maximilien Robespierre. If you're wondering why Adolf Hitler isn't there, he's a kind of superweapon: when killed, all his victims Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence. Ghouls did evil while persuading themselves they did good. Their ranks include Edgar J. Hoover and Oppenheimer. The Archeologists did evil For Science!, it's implied one of them was Josef Mengele.
- The Seven Soldiers of Victory once fought a villain with a time machine who brought forward Alexander the Great, Nero, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, and Napoléon Bonaparte to serve as commanders in his army of conquest. He deserves credit for effort, though Nero is perhaps not the most obvious of choices.
- In Mother, May I (Take Over The World) (MSTing here), a hilariously bad Fan Fic, the world's most evil people — among them Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Pikachu, and an increasingly bemused Martin Luther King, Jr. — take over the world.
- Sorcerer Conjurer Wizard Witch: The villain magically animates waxworks from Madame Tussaud's Chamber of Horrors, including Burke and Hare, Dr Crippen, Charlie Peace, George Joseph Smith (the "Brides in the Bath" killer) and — this being the Diogenes universe — Rodger Baskerville and Varney the Vampire.
- The second Night at the Museum movie features animated statues of Ivan the Terrible, Napoléon Bonaparte, and Al Capone as henchman to the Big Bad, an Egyptian King. Darth Vader and Oscar the Grouch tried to join in as well, but are rejected (Vader because of aesthetic and Oscar because he isn't actually evil).
- One episode of Lois & Clark involved clones of Al Capone, as well as Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger. They were cloned by a scientist who wanted to prove evil wasn't genetic, and apparently turned out to be wrong.
- Supervillain in The DCU CK2 Quest: Abracadabra notably pulls multiple people throughout history in the Warriors from Forever sidestory. Notably due to how time travel works in quest this means that at some unspecified point in the quest’s timeline this archived army will show up to menace the Flash.
- Played with in Futurama when the Holo-shed malfunctions and Attila the Hun, Jack the Ripper, Professor Moriarty, and Evil Lincoln become real and attack Kif and Amy.
- The Simpsons: Parodied in a Treehouse of Horror short, where Billy the Kid leads a gang of historical villains, including the most evil German in history — Kaiser Wilhelm!
- An episode of Spider-Man (1967) has a bad guy bring wax figures of Jesse James, Blackbeard, and an old-timey executioner to life to fight Spider-Man.
- In one episode of The Super Globetrotters, the Time Lord assembled "the greatest criminals in history" into a gang.
- Xiaolin Showdown had these as Jack Spicer's army in a time travel episode: Attila the Hun, Blackbeard, most likely Billy the Kid or some other famous western villain, and Jack Spicer's first-grade teacher. (Don't be fooled, she's the worst of the bunch.)
- Fate/stay night and its prequel Fate Zero is pretty much the mythological version of this, although some (like Gilles de Rais and Alexander the Great) were historical people. With some exceptions, the heroes summoned were all real people at some point. Their appearance and personality may change based on perceptions, however.
- Read or Die: The I-jin are clones of famous historical figures with fantastical powers based on their contributions. (The I-Jin are all made up of famous figures from the past, most notably Ludwig van Beethoven. They're cloned.)
- Characters.Arthur King Of Time And Space (Merlin): Actually just an archived gang of chums. In the space arc he's good friends with historical figures like Uncle Sam, Hercules, and Oedipus. You can find their counterparts in the modern day arc if you're looking.
- This was the gimmick of Marvel Comics villain Immortus. He would summon someone from out of the time stream (usually someone who could work as a suitable contrast to whomever he was fighting at the time) to act as his champions. The Fridge Logic that pops up when he summons Hercules, who's got an ongoing career as a superhero in modern times, got addressed by claiming they aren't really the historical characters, just duplicates. Also he's just a possible future version of Kang the Conqueror using advanced technology.
- XCOM Resurrection has the XCOM Project bringing back historical warriors in order to fight aliens. The first squad consists of Joan of Arc, Simo Häyhä, Genghis Khan, and Ragnar Lothbrok. They also get Nikola Tesla to head up the science department.
- Fate of the Clans, Fate of the Clans: Bad Ends, Fate of the Clans: Extra Stories and Fate of the Clans: Kaleidoscope: All Myths Are True: Even figures from myth actually existed and are able to be summoned as Servants. They are even able to be in possession of what was described in their legends.
- Kid Eternity could summon heroes from history as his superpower, along with invisibility. There was also his evil counterpart, Master Man, who could summon villains from history. In a crossover with Captain Marvel, Dr. Sivana revived several villains to oppose them. It didn't work out—Benedict Arnold betrayed him, as not even the British liked him for his treachery.
- The Night's Dawn Trilogy features an invasion from The Legions of Hell in a Space Opera setting... A disproportionatly large portion of whom hail from the 20th century, potentially leading to massive Narm on the reader's part. There were enough people from other eras (past and future) so that (apart from the multiple Elvises) it could plausibly just be a statistical blip. And one of them's Al freakin' Capone.
- TimeRiders: The team are joined by the likes of Abraham Lincoln and the apparent Robin Hood. However, they can't stay permanently.
- Star Trek: The Original Series episode "The Savage Curtain". The Hero team is Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Abraham Lincoln and Surak of Vulcan. The villain team is Genghis Khan, the Klingon Kahless, Colonel Green and the Mad Scientist Zora. Everyone except Kirk and Spock are actually alien rock creatures masquerading as humanoids.
- Red Dwarf: The episode "Meltdown" features a war between robot duplicates of the greatest and the worst people in history in an abandoned theme park.
- In the Gamescience adventure The Future King, Doc Holliday, Nostradamus, Bruce Lee, Harald Hardraada, Owen Glendower and Cyrano de Bergerac are gathered together to find and wake King Arthur.
- If you stretch it a bit, this is basically the concept of the Warriors Orochi series — bringing together legendary warriors from China's Three Kingdoms Period, others from Japan's Warring States Era, and a few guys from mythology for good measure — just so Orochi can have a decent challenge. Certainly, a teamup of Masamune Date, Lu Bu and Sun Wukong invokes the same sort of feeling...
- This is the idea behind Clone High: The Omniscient Council of Vagueness has cloned many of history's greatest leaders to rule the world somehow.
- Johnny Test had an episode where Johnny brought back several historical figures, including Attila the Hun and a caveman, to create the most powerful hockey team.
- There's an episode of The Tick titled "Leonardo da Vinci and His Fightin' Genius Time Commandos!", featuring a team of famous inventors, including da Vinci, Thomas Alva Edison, Johann Gutenberg, George Washington Carver, and the cavewoman who invented the wheel.
- The Venture Brothers episode "Escape to the House of Mummies Part II" has the Venture crew inexplicably team up with Caligula, Sigmund Freud, and Edgar Allan Poe (and a time-duplicated Brock Samson). It's never quite explained how the team-up happened, as it is the second part of an episode for which the first part was never made.
- Drifters has this on both sides in a crapsack fantasy world - the good guys summoned there at the verge of death while the bad guys were those who historically died tragically.
- Avengers Forever: During the final battle, the Time Keepers summon all evil and destructive Avengers from the past, present and future. Rick Jones reinforces the goods guys by using the Destiny Force to summon every other Avenger from all the myriad timelines.
- The Fallout 3 expansion "Mothership Zeta" has you team up with several cryogenically-preserved warriors on the alien spaceship: a military doctor from Operation Anchorage, a contemporary slaver, a wild west cowboy, and a samurai.
- In The Legend of Zelda spin-off game Hyrule Warriors, Time Travel lets an incarnation of Link and Zelda battle alongside heroes (and villains) from the Era of the Hero of Time, the Era of Twilight, and the Era of the Sky. The developers have said it's basically Zelda's version of The Avengers.
- Super Charisma Bros: Basically the entire premise of the eighth game, with the various Charisma players "nipped" from multiple points in time to form an unstoppable time team.
- The Nexus in Heroes of the Storm does this, pretty much literally, but with simulacra of characters from Blizzard's various IPs. Their fighting skills, personalities and such are translated into the Nexus albeit somewhat imperfectly. They have been chosen to fight these battles on behalf of the shadowy rulers of the Nexus: such as the Grave Keeper and the Lady of Thorns. You and your friends can assemble your Quirky Miniboss Squad, to fight with an opponent's similar squad. To make your squad extra quirky, you can summon alternate-universe versions of some characters: which may have very different looks and themed powers, or even different voices. The alternate universes tend to have wacky themes like Professional Wrestling, Christmas, or Robots: meaning even the characters from more Grimdark settings can get silly skins. Other times a character will get a new skin because of Ascended Fanon: like Jaina's Dreadlord skin.
- Chitra:
- The eponymous Chitra of Chitra is rewarded for completing quests in the RPG Mechanics 'Verse she's been isekai'd into with coupons for pulls in The Gods' Exclusive Gacha System. Prizes from the gacha are attractive male supporters to aid her in administering and expanding her territory. The high-level prizes are all in-universe famous warriors, mages, and strategists from the past; like Radelk the famous Warrior Butler, Tyrex the Battle Mage, and Tornian "the genius war strategist and military tactician". (While its not made clear how so many historically important figures ended up sealed away in magical gems dispensed as prizes from a celestial slot machine, awaiting the day when a new master would summon them into service, there are also various average soldiers and tradespeople from the past available as lower-level prizes.)
- Army of The Ages: When Chitra doesn't receive a super-rare, world renowned warrior, mage, or strategist from the gacha system pulls, she gets average soldiers and tradespeople from the past. But "the past" was a time when magic was better understood and more commonly deployed in all facets of life, not just warfare. The "average" archer or architect or farmer from the past was augmented with enhanced speed, stamina, and minor magical abilities that allowed them to heal more quickly from injuries, build faster, or produce more crops.
- Nobunagun has the E-Genes, the essence of famous figures ranging from Jack the Ripper to Oda Nobunaga to Mahatma Gandhi extracted at the point of death. Certain people in the present day have inherited these E-Genes and are able to draw out powers based on them (guns for Nobunaga, an axe for Geronimo, gravity control for Isaac Newton, etc.), while also communing with their spirit from time to time.
- Kamen Rider: Beyond Generations: The Crisper demons are each created from the genetics of famous historical figures - Queen Himiko of Japan, Pharaoh Khufu of Egypt, Thomas Edison and King Leonidas of Sparta.
- Toukiden has Mitama, the spirits of heroes devoured by oni across the ages that have been freed by Slayers. Slayers can commune with these spirits to gain special powers and the Player Character has the uniquenote power of communing with a very large number of them.
- In the old comic Life of Riley, when Jezebel strikes against her opponents in an all-out paintball war (it's a long story), she uses the memories of various souls that have fallen to her over the ages. The first few eras - your Caesars, your Napoleons, et cetera - weren't all that effective against modern tactics. Eventually, though, she moved onto blitzkriegs, which ... also weren't that effective in the end, but for different reasons.
- Another 'The Simpsons example, though this one's just a brief throwaway: when Homer and Mr. Burns are stuck in a cabin together, Homer says he has "power... political power!" and we see a ghostly team of historical figures (including the Actual Pacifist Mahatma Gandhi) brandishing weapons.
- Samurai Deeper Kyo's concept.
- Recap.Legends Of Tomorrow S 3 E 18 The Good The Bad And The Cuddly: Mallus' troops.
- You Are Empty: The Red Army soldiers with skull faces are anachronistic to the game's setting, being Revolution than WW2-era, as opposed to the rest of the army-men you encounter.
- YMMV.Genius The Transgression: Exelixi: Although it is difficult, all you need is a trace of well-perserved DNA. The resulting Archived Army will be cool, if not entirely stable.
History's Crime Wave wick check:
History's Crime Wave's description says the trope is about whenever a historical villain appears in a work. However, its title, image, several of its examples, and it's discussion suggests that the trope may be actually about historical villains teaming up.Total wicks checked: (20/40)
Put your comments about a certain wick in bold and alphabetize examples, please and thank you.
- All-Star Comics: The Trope Namer is All-Star Comics #38 where the Justice Society of America investigate Gotham City murders claimed to be performed by historical villains. Though they turn out to be the disguises of an insane wax museum guard, he succeeds in killing every member in the issue except Wonder Woman, who has to use the purple ray to bring them back to life. The villains are Nero, Goliath, Captain Kidd, Cesare Borgia, Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. It'll be here since it's just one man doing the crimes, even with different disguises.
- Big Bang Comics: In "The Ghost Robbers of the Wax Museum!!" in #6, Knight Watchman's adversary and Master of Disguise Mr. Mask commits a series of robberies while adopting the identities of some of history's greatest villains: Jesse James, Blackbeard, Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, and Jack the Ripper. Similar situation to the All-Star Comics example.
- Lois & Clark: In "That Old Gang of Mine", Mad Scientist Emil Hamilton creates clones of Al Capone, John Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde to demonstrate that evil is not inherent. It doesn't work out that way. (There was a comic book storyline at around the same time that may have been the inspiration, but it used fictional gangsters.)
- Red Dwarf: In "Cured", the crew encounter a scientific base where Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, and Messalina have been recreated through cloning and cured of 'evil'. (Lab notes reveal that Rupert Murdoch proved resistant to the treatment.) However, it turns out the evildoers are actually androids who were originally the medical staff of the base who have been reprogrammed to believe they are historical villains.
- Deadly Advice: Jodie is advised by a collection of Britain's most notorious murderers: Major Herbert Armstrong, Kate Webster, Dr. Crippen, G.J. Smith, and Jack the Ripper. Since they're a group with a shared goal (advising Jodie on murdering people), figured it'll go here.
- Legion of Super-Heroes: In Adventure Comics #314, a villain called Alaktor recruits history's three greatest villains (Nero, John Dillinger, and Adolf Hitler) to take on the Legion. This example is also History's Crime Wave's image which helps fuel the "historical villains teaming up" interpretation.
- Knight and Squire: The Bad Kings, clones of Richard III, John, William II, Charles I and Edward I, each with an army of criminals and a desire to reclaim part of Britain. They're collectively called the Bad Kings and have the shared goal of wanting to take over a part of the UK, suggesting that they're a group somewhat.
- Sorcerer Conjurer Wizard Witch: All the villains in Madame Tussaud's Chamber of Horrors are magically animated and sent out on a crime spree to serve as a distraction. The Madame Tussaud villains are also mentioned by the Archived Army example, so they go here.
- Spirit Advisor: In Deadly Advice, Jodie gains a group of spirit advisors in the form of the ghosts of five of Britain's most notorious murderers: Major Herbert Armstrong, Kate Webster, Dr. Crippen, G.J. Smith, and Jack the Ripper. Their advice is of varying quality and practicality. See the Deadly Advice example.
- Archived Army Mention of it being the Super-Trope of History's Crime Wave, was probably added due to the "historical villains teaming up" interpretation.
- Comic Books (A to L) Just mentions the image source.
- Historys Crime Wave (laconic): Added under the ""historical villains teaming up" interpretation.
- Historical Domain Character Mentioned
- Jury of the Damned Mentioned
- Spring-Heeled Jack - Sorcerer Conjurer Wizard Witch: Jack is among the wax statues brought to life for History'sCrimeWave. Edwin drops a quick throwaway line about how much trouble he was to put down in real life.
- Comic Books Mentioned
- Tropes Needing TRS Mention is there so a TRS thread could be started for it.
- Trouble from the Past There's a mention of how it shouldn't be confused with History's Crime Wave.
- Wax Museum Morgue 'Mentions the All-Stars example as the Trope Namer of History's Crime Wave
- Wick Check Project Mention is for this wick check.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 14th 2023 at 9:44:27 AM
This is a lot to take in, but for now I feel it's not meaningfully different from Archived Army's current description (its name is confusing with Army of The Ages, but changing it would need own wick check), which involves using multiple historical characters as villains, so perhaps merging.
I don't particularly see what's wrong with either description aside clarifying if Villain Team-Up is (un)necessary.
Edited by Amonimus on Dec 28th 2022 at 7:14:08 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupJust a heads up, it's the holiday season, I'm not going to hook any new crowners until January 2, and any currently hooked crowners will not be called until then. In addition, consensus will not be called via posts until then.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Anyway, I agree with this.
Edit: Tagged the page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 28th 2022 at 9:43:45 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.The first post in a thread doesn't trigger the ping coding (which is why when a moderator posts the OP, we double-post to tag the actual OP). So, ~Mr Thorfan 64, please chime in.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Yeah, merge with Archived Army.
I specifically said "who should be tagged if this tag doesn't work", but I guess MacronNotes missed that and no one else bothered until you came along.
I was going to, but I never got to it. Apologies.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallAnything besides a merge would be splitting hairs. If we do go that route, I'd like to suggest keeping the title and image of History's Crime Wave, both of which I think are more appealing than the ones on Archived Army. Something to consider.
I don't like either the name of History's Crime Wave or Archived Army, actually - the former sounds like a time travel heist trope made mainly for Carmen Sandiego, while the latter sounds like a type of MacGuffin, as in Hellboy II: The Golden Army or Interesting Times.
The Revolution Will Not Be TropeableWell, this isn't the place for dealing with those.
Archived Army has 46 pages to check if anyone wants to do that. I think I didn't consider that page redundant with any of the definitions I considered for this one because the former page's name suggests it's morality-neutral (which Army of The Ages seems to think is also the case) and the description's somewhat idiosyncratic first paragraph isn't clear on whether or not the use of Quirky Miniboss Squad is definitive of the trope and if so to what extent (and looking at the original YKTTW didn't help). I definitely think this page has a superior name to Archived Army if we consider Archived Army to be villain-specific and thus likely redundant with this page.
Edited by MorganWick on Dec 31st 2022 at 6:09:23 AM
Since it's January 2, the moratorium on calling TRS consensus is over.
However, I was wanting to check if we should have a crowner for whether to redirect to Archived Army, or whether someone wanted to do a wick check for Archived Army as previously mentioned.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 1st 2023 at 12:39:04 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Merging it with Archived Army seems inevitable, but like Morgan Wick said the problem is that Archived Army sounds more neutral than History's Crime Wave.
I think merging but rewriting the description to restrict it to a villain is the best course. Possibly renaming too, maybe Historical Villain Team Up ?
The two tropes' mid-double digit wick counts are so close to each other that if we merge, which direction we move in doesn't make much of a difference (and if we choose a new name, it still wouldn't involve a huge amount of wicks).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Archived Army appears to have like 25 work links. May as well try to wick check right here in a bit.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupDoing a wick check for it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Even though the description implies that Archived Army is a villain trope, the fact that a decent amount of the wicks are for positively viewed historical figures (and I don't think allowing fictional historical figures would be problematic — Tropes Are Flexible) makes me feel that maybe we could expand the trope to include them (per the usual reasoning of villainous and non-villainous splits generally being unnecessary, as previously seen with Reverse Mole being merged with The Mole, and Pyrrhic Villainy being merged with Pyrrhic Victory). After that, I suppose we could merge History's Crime Wave into Archived Army instead of vice versa.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:43:33 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I think we could merge both into a general trope about a group composed of summoned / revived multiple historic figures. Fictionalized examples are probably okay.
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 3rd 2023 at 1:46:40 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI feel like we could just merge History's Crime Wave into Archived Army without making any changes to the latter other than removing the villain aspect and the requirement for the historical figures to be non-fictional, since that would be easier than using a completely new name. (Though the fact that both have less than 50 wicks means I won't complain if anyone else here would prefer a new name.)
Edit: I suppose incorporating the first two words in Historical Domain Character's name might work since that trope is where real life historical figures fall. Maybe Historical Domain Crossover would indicate that the historical figures could be ones who never interacted with each other (whether it means being from completely different parts of the world or from completely different time periods).
Edit: I might step away from this thread for a bit because the fact that I haven't been awake for very long combined with the fact that the coffee I drank hasn't had enough time to work means my train of thought isn't completely on track. Maybe I can go over this again later.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 3rd 2023 at 5:18:20 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Sounds good as a Crossover Cosmology counterpart.
(Making a mental note for the future that there are works that have that as the main premise)
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI'm more awake, and since neither trope has an incredibly large amount of wicks, I think I'm now in favor of merging the two under a new name (I'm still leaning toward Historical Domain Crossover) and expanding the scope to be morally neutral instead of villain-specific (per what I said about other morality-specific tropes that TRS handled), with examples covering Historical Domain Characters regardless of morality, regardless of whether they're real people or are in-universe historical figures, and including historical figures who never met in real life.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
It was decided to merge Archived Army and Historys Crime Wave into a new trope, with the new trope not being villain-exclusive. What should its name be?
To-do list:
Both of the entries on the discussion page are by ~Mr Thorfan 64 (who should be tagged if this tag doesn't work), who appears to have created the page without YKTTW back in 2012 with the first paragraph of the current description as the entire description. Curiously, the Trope Namer, by my reading of its description, is not an example of the narrower definition as the villains in question don't seem to have been presented as working together, and the page creator also included two Literature examples involving people being punished in the underworld, meaning the impression I had about what both definitions entailed - that the villains in question were being actively villainous in the story, presumably set in the modern day, that is, outside the context of their original villainy - may not have been intended as part of the definition, let alone the "team-up" aspect.
I'm guessing the discussion page was mentioned because at one point he suggested moving the page to Archived Army, even though that page had already existed since at least 2010, and it's hard not to see that as anything but wondering if the narrower definition was The Same, but More Specific to that page, implying the narrower definition was intended, and the examples he added to the page do all involve multiple villains in roughly equivalent roles. (He also proposed this as an image, and even though I said the Trope Namer wasn't an example of the narrower definition the cover sure seems to suggest it is.)
Usage check looks at all 42 pages that link to this one. Top-level results:
- Historical villains teaming up: 14/42 (33.3%)
- Multiple historical villains committing villainy without working together: 7/42 (16.7%)
- Multiple historical villains being impersonated to commit crimes without necessarily being portrayed as working together before The Reveal: 3/42 with one being a duplicate of another (7.1%) (which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?)
- Multiple historical villains appear: 2/42 (4.8%)
- Any number of historical figures as villains: 5/42 (11.9%)
- Any number of historical villains appear: 1/42 (2.4%)
- Indices/unclassifiable: 10/42 (23.8%)
[[folder:Detailed results]]Suggestion: I've drawn a number of fine distinctions here but I doubt there are more than two distinct tropes to be had between them. If we have a trope at this title it should probably have the narrowest definition we make a trope out of; at the very least it should involve historical figures committing actual villainy to justify calling it a "crime wave", and in any case "any number of historical villains appear" feels like it's The Same, but More Specific of Historical Domain Character.note In any case, there's a grand total of two examples outside the page itself where the historical figures don't commit any actual villainy, plus one index defining actual in-story villainy as optional to the trope, so clearly that aspect of the trope is underused enough to jettison anyway.
I think the distinction with the best combination of tropeworthiness and enforceability is of multiple historical figures as villains regardless of whether they're depicted as working together; most of the examples I placed in that category I felt like I was splitting hairs in not considering them to be working together. You could also convince me that merely having any number of historical figures serve as villains could qualify, especially in light of the Legends of Tomorrow example(s), but the one other actual off-page example in that category (as opposed to indices or other pages defining the trope that way) seems to place more emphasis on the specific figure's villainy than just "the worst monsters in history have come to terrorize the present day". (And besides, wouldn't any appearance of Dracula technically fall under that category?)
Archived Army wick check:
Archived Army. Mixes work wicks and on-page examples.History's Crime Wave wick check:
History's Crime Wave's description says the trope is about whenever a historical villain appears in a work. However, its title, image, several of its examples, and it's discussion suggests that the trope may be actually about historical villains teaming up.Total wicks checked: (20/40)
Put your comments about a certain wick in bold and alphabetize examples, please and thank you.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 14th 2023 at 9:44:27 AM