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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13576: Dec 22nd 2022 at 2:21:51 PM

[up]One of my big issues with RL examples is the lack of sourcing and verifiability for examples. As perfectly shown in the Tyre example.

Yes, Alexander the Great did lay siege to Tyre by building a bridge (actually it was a causeway, he just tore down an old city and dumped the stones in the water until there was a path). But I can't find any record of a Tyrian account that chronicles the inhabitants reaction to such a thing.

Also of note, the bridge didn't break the city, it took Alexander getting a navy and blockading and bombarding the port the old fashioned way to take the city.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13577: Dec 22nd 2022 at 2:23:59 PM

If I cannot verify that example, what should I do then?

Rawr.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13578: Dec 22nd 2022 at 2:30:12 PM

I would cut.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13579: Dec 22nd 2022 at 2:36:04 PM

I have cut the example and linked to this thread.

Rawr.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13580: Dec 22nd 2022 at 4:31:45 PM

Should I add a note to the My God, You Are Serious! page like so?

%%Please do not add unverified Real Life examples to this page.

%%Please remember the Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when adding Real Life examples. Keep your entries as uninflammatory as possible.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 22nd 2022 at 9:01:07 AM

Rawr.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13581: Dec 22nd 2022 at 6:41:59 PM

I don't really see a need to, it's not a problematic page.

Also don't see a need to advertise in ATT, but whatever.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13582: Dec 22nd 2022 at 6:51:58 PM

Ok then, Viking. I guess all I have to do now is hope nobody re-adds those particular examples or adds any ROCEJ violations/unverified examples and we're good to go.

Rawr.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13583: Dec 22nd 2022 at 6:54:03 PM

I tend to keep an eye on RL sections I've cleaned out before. 999 times out of 1000 there is no real issue.

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NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#13584: Dec 22nd 2022 at 7:26:22 PM

OK, here's my assessment of all of the Trademark Favorite Food examples. Put shortly, I'm under the impression that as a Characterization Trope, it can only validly happen in real life if it becomes part of someone's "characterization" in popular perception. Everything outside of that it just "someone likes a food" and is meaningless. Also, general stereotypes aren't real life. They can be tropes in their own right, but Real Life examples are for actual things that actually happen, at least in my impression.

    Animals 

Animals typically have a food associated with them, even if they don't eat it in the wild or that much in captivity/domestication. — this is specifically acknowledging that these are generally inaccurate stereotypes. stereotypes are a different thing from real life examples.

  • Mice and rats love cheese, even though they actually don't. It's an old wives' tale that has been debunked. A more practical thing to bait rodent traps with is peanut butter rather than cheese, since it's less likely to spoil, more attractive to rodents, and because of its consistency, it's much harder to remove without setting off the trap. Pet rats and mice might like it but, still, it's only advised as a treat—Harder, crunchier foods are more preferred. — general and nattery. also not a real life example because they don't do that.
  • Cats really do love milk, except that it's not good for them. They're lactose intolerant. Don't feed your cats milk (unless you're interested in dealing with a bloated cat an hour or two later). Feed your cats (ironically) cheese instead—yes, they love cheese, and unlike milk they can digest it cleanly, because the cheesemaking process gets rid of most of the lactose; it also contains lactase, which is the natural substance that processes lactose. Cats are also known for hunting mice, fish and birds, even in captivity. Well-fed cats often do it just out of instinct, which helps give rise to the Cats Are Mean trope. — general.
  • Dogs like Stock Femur Bones. Meat, especially those that leave behind Stock Femur Bones, and man-made dog treats, especially those shaped like Stock Femur Bones. — general, also "animal likes food built for them" is not the trope.
  • Elephants and peanuts. In reality, elephants may be okay with peanuts, but much prefer coconuts. They also like bananas, oranges and watermelons. But they really hate chili peppers, which can result in massive sneezing fits. Many African farmers grow chili hedges around their crops to protect them from greedy wild elephants. Elephants are known for liking buns, and they do eat breads as snacks in captivity. — general, nattery, not an example seeing as they don't actually like the food
  • Monkeys and apes love bananas. This one dates back to the work of primatologist Jane Goodall, who used bananas in order to get close to the chimpanzees she was studying. Some species do eat bananas in the wild, but only the non-domesticated ones. The domesticated bananas people eat have more sugar, and giving these to monkeys is the equivalent of giving them cake or chocolate. This is why zoos often have a policy of not giving them bananas. Some smaller monkeys are known insectivores. — this one is relatively fine, I guess, since it is part of the popular image of the animal and does have some basis in reality. of course, it's still general and still a stereotype and characterization so would go better on Stock Animal Diets.
  • Bunnies' love of carrots was actually derived from Bugs Bunny, and though some do, others prefer bananas and grass hay. Ironically, carrots are very bad for them as anything other than a occasional treat. About 11% of pet rabbits have tooth decay from the sugar in carrots. Green veggies such as broccoli and kale, as well as grass are better for them. Furthermore, if you present a rabbit with a carrot, it'll attempt to eat the green parts on the top first before the carrot itself. — not an example. they don't actually have the favorite food.
  • Small birds and seeds or worms, except for parrots and crackers. The latter isn't exactly true in real life; parrots actually prefer fruits, nuts, and seeds. — not an example. they don't actually have the favorite food.
  • Ducks and other waterfowl and bread, which can easily kill them because of many different reasons; they may fail to teach their young to properly forage, often fail to migrate and die of the cold in winter, may get a disease from all the overcrowding of the ducks attracted to the food, and may starve to death because they don't get the nutrition they require from it, and it fills them up so they don't eat their proper food, etc. If you like to feed waterfowl, you should research what is more suitable food for them and feed them that. There are many cheap options available, such as lettuce, corn, seeds, mealworms, peas (Which they are known to love so much that they eat them at startling speeds), and specially-made duck pellets. Bread is just as bad for all other birds. However, unfortunately knee-jerk reactions against doing this caused a spate of starving incidents among swans and geese in the UK because no one fed the birds at all, leading the Swan Lifeline charity to explain that while there are better foods out there, in the short term, providing them with small amounts of bread won't kill them. — not an example. they don't actually have the favorite food.
  • Horses and hay or apples. Unlike the previous examples, apples are healthy for horses so it's safe to feed horses apples, just not too many as it can cause colic (possibly leading to founder). — why is there so much generic vet advice on this trope? also, "it's safe to feed animal a stereotypical food" is not the trope. general.
  • Sharks and humans. You can thank Jaws for this one, because it's not true. The average number of people killed every years by sharks is often in the single-digits, and sharks typically won't eat humans even if they do attack. Apparently, sharks don't like the taste of us. Sharks sense humans as bad-tasting diet food with little fat and lots of bone and which fights back. The real favorite food of sharks depends on the species, but large sharks like Great Whites usually prefer fat-rich seals and dolphins over weedy humans. — not an example, they don't actually have the favorite food
  • Crocodiles and humans. Unlike with sharks, this is actually Truth in Television as crocodiles cause the most human fatalities than other large predators and are known to eat pretty much anything that moves. Nile crocodiles, however, seem to enjoy zebras and wildebeests. — not an example. animals occasionally eating humans and humans being their favorite food are different things.
  • Bears and honey, fish, or whatever people leave in picnic baskets. In fact, in some languages the word for bear roughly translates to honey-eater or honey-pig. This is true, though bears also eat the bee larvae when they find a hive. Bears are also known for hunting salmon. Really, bears put the omni in omnivore, and are known to eat pretty much anything that's handy. — the bit with bears being specifically known in languages for eating honey works. the rest is general.
  • Anteaters are called anteaters in English for the same reason. Aardvarks also enjoy ants, though they and anteaters actually prefer termites (though it should be noted that termites were historically known as "white ants"). — not an example, they don't actually have the favorite food.
  • Pandas and bamboo. While they are a member of Carnivora and they can eat meat, they no longer prefer it as they have evolved to lose the ability to sense the taste of umami in meat. Pandas in zoos also seem to favor wotou, a type of northern Chinese bread, but specially formulated for their diet. — general.
  • Cheetahs and gazelles. — general, zero context.
  • Frogs and long-tongued reptiles eat flies. — general, zero context.
  • Snakes steal eggs or eat rodents whole. Unless if they're constrictors, which usually eat bigger animals. — general, zero context.
  • Koalas eat mostly eucalyptus leaves, a toxic plant which most other animals can't tolerate or digest, making koalas a vital part of the Australian ecosystem. — "someone eats things nothing else can eat" is not a favorite food. not an example.
  • Penguins and fish. They also like to eat squid and krill. — zero context, general
  • Giraffes and acacia leaves. — general, zero context.
  • Leopards are known to be very fond of dog, although other sources say impala (a type of gazelle) is their favorite. They've even been known to leap a fence, grab a dog right out of its yard, then leap back over the fence and disappear into the savanna. Enhancing the danger is the fact that if leopards can't get dogs, they'll go for their second favourite: Human babies. — which sources? also, i doubt that this is a matter of a "favorite food" as opposed to dogs being common.
  • Vultures and carrion. Vultures are an essential part of the animal kingdom because they basically serve as waste disposal. Unfortunately, farmers in African countries are using the pain killer diclofenac in food for their cattle. Consequently when cattle die and are consumed by vultures, the vultures suffer kidney failure and eventually death from ingesting the chemical. This is causing the amount of rotting animal carcasses in African countries to increase and the stench is driving the leopards into the inner cities, putting dogs (and babies) more at risk! — "animal eats something in its natural diet" is not a favorite food.
  • Bats are very strongly associated with blood drinking, but this makes no sense when you realize of the 950-1,200 species of bat, only 3 drink blood. The rest, depending on the species, eat insects, arachnids, small vertebrates (mice, lizards, birds, etc), and fruits and nectar. Some will even snatch fish out of water. — not an example. they don't actually do this.
  • Sperm whales and squids, especially the Giant Squid. — general, zero context.
  • Dolphins and fish. Orcas not only also like to eat fish (particularly sharks) but also seals, penguins, and whales. Distinct population of orcas often have unique eating habits, such as specialising entirely on fish. — the distinct populations, if elaborated on more, could be salvageable. the rest is general.
  • Tyrannosaurus rex and Triceratops or hadrosaurs. — general, zero context
  • Allosaurus and Stegosaurus or Camptosaurus or sauropods. — general, zero context
  • Velociraptor and Protoceratops. — general, zero context
  • Oviraptor and eggs. This is due to the fact when the dinosaur was first discovered, it was found near a clutch of eggs as if it was going to steal them. It was later revealed the eggs actually belonged to the dinosaur, meaning the "egg thief" was really a parent trying to take care of them. As of now, Oviraptor is considered to be an omnivore. Mind, omnivorous animals ''will' eat eggs if they can find any, as eggs are very nutritious - usually not their own eggs, though. — the bit about them being omnivores is irrelevant, but them being associated with a specific food in popular paleontology could actually be valid
  • Spinosaurids and fish. — general, zero context
  • Pteranodon and fish. — general, zero context
  • LOLCats and "cheezburgers". LOLdogs prefer hot dogs — not a real life example. should be moved to Web Original.
  • The obscure canine known as the maned wolf has a fruit called the wolf apple, which is actually a tomato-like berry, as its favorite food, so much so that it makes up about 50% of their diet. It is believed that they love it so much because it protects them from parasites. — "animal eats something in its natural diet" is not a favorite food.

    Nations and Regions 

  • The other wiki has an entire page devoted to national dishes which don't necessarily align with the aforementioned examples, as those are often just stereotypes. — general
  • Various cultures often have a stereotypical food associated with them, which is often fodder for slurs.
    • Britain has quite a number of these:
      • English sailors were once known for eating limes to fight scurvy. This is the origin of the slur "limey", and a British ship was called a "lime juice tub". They originally used lemons, but lemons were produced in French colonies and limes in British colonies, so they switched to the more patriotic (and less Vitamin C-rich; limes have about half as much Vitamin C per pound as lemons do) option. The lime was often mixed as juice into the Navy grog ration, giving the predecessor both to punch and the various rum sours common in the Caribbean (e.g. the Daiquiri).
      • One of several French slurs against the British is to call them "les rosbifs", note  due to the British stereotypical love of roast beef. To be fair, during the Napoleonic Wars, this was very much Truth in Television, as the British viewed French cooking as effete and wimpy, and took pride in eating "manly" dishes like roast beef, and the British even wrote a song about it. — seems valid, although I still think this section would be better moved to an Analysis section on Hollywood Cuisine.
      • Brits also are also particularly big on toast, especially with jam or orange marmalade. Some of the other notable toast-based dishes include baked beans on toast, egg on toast (usually fried or scrambled), Marmite or Bovrilnote  on toast, and the toast sandwich. Yes, that is a piece of toast in between two slices of bread. It was invented by Isabella Beeton in 1861 as an ultra-low cost meal, noting that it could be enhanced by adding other fillings between the collective three slices. All of these are automatic laugh lines in the rest of the world as supposed examples of "inedible British cuisine." — them being a popular comedic point may be salvageable
      • A spot of tea is also considered quintessentially British. — general. redundant with the Brits Love Tea trope it links to re: the stereotype.
      • No cup of tea would be complete without an accompanying biscuit, and in the UK, the most popular one has to be the Digestive biscuit, a round wheat biscuit presented either on its own or with one side having a thin coating of chocolate. They're especially popular because they're just the right size to fit through the top of the mug to be dunked. Other popular biscuits eaten with a cup of tea include custard creams, bourbons, rich tea biscuits and shortbread. — this is just a list of different kinds of biscuits and doesn't narrow down a specific favorite food. not an example.
      • One of the more traditional morning options for Brits is the Full English Breakfast; which typically consists of back bacon, sausages, black pudding, grilled tomatoes, mushrooms, baked beans, a fried egg or twonote  and toast/fried bread, often served with coffee or the aforementioned tea. It's no longer a typical breakfast for British people because it takes so long to make, and is so filling that you can't do much after you've eaten one, but it's still a beloved part of British food culture. Each region of the UK has its own particular variants of the dish; for example, the Full Scottish Breakfast also often includes Lorne (square) sausage and Tattie Scones (savory potato scones), cockles and laverbread (seaweed puree) are popular additions for a Full Welsh Breakfast, while soda bread and white pudding frequently appear in a Full Irish Breakfast. — general, but if we're allowing general/stereotypical examples, it being a quintessential part of the culture is probably valid
      • Regions in Great Britain have their own trademark foods:
      • The Northern English and their black pudding and tripe. — zero context, general
      • The East End of London and their jellied eels, although the dish is less popular in modern times. — zero context, general
      • The West Country (Cornwall, Dorset, Devon, Somerset, Gloucestershire and Wiltshire) and their cream tea with scones.note  — okay, the rivalry is neat. are there sources on this?
      • *The Welsh and leeks (see Shakespeare's Henry V) and cheese (the English have been joking about the Welsh affinity for cheese for centuries, with a 16th-century book making reference to a Welshman loving caws pobi — baked cheese — and "Welsh rarebit" — which, for the uninitiated, is a beer-based cheese sauce over toast — being named after this joke. — seems fine since the love of cheese is specifically invoked and there are specific examples.
      • Scots and their haggis and porridge (recall Samuel Johnson's dictionary definition of oats).note  Haggis is genuinely popular in Scotland, and South Asian immigrants have modified it into the Haggis Pakora. — general, the stereotype belongs on Hollywood Cuisine
      • Brits are famous for their love of take-out curry and other Indian fare, with their most popular choices being the Balti — which is especially popular in Birmingham, to the point where there exists a "Balti Triangle" of restaurants specialising in the dish — and the Anglo-Indian Chicken Tikka Masala. Most often, they're served with sides such as ricenote , poppadoms, chicken pakora, onion bhajis, Bombay potatoes and naan bread, as well as condiments like mango chutney, raita and lime pickle. — sounds delicious, but this is just a list of foods. there's no specific favorite food listed here.
    • In a country where food is Serious Business, the French naturally have a few of these:
      • French and frog's legs, sparking the slur "frog", which was later expanded to include French Canadians. They also enjoy escargot: snails cooked in their shells with white wine and garlic butter, then served with crusty bread. — since it's specifically invoked with the slur, might be salvageable, but still general.
      • They also have a thing for cheese, given that many major cheeses such as brie, camembert and Roquefort are named after the regions in France where they originated. Most formal meals in France will have a cheese course. — general
      • France is also famous for its wine production. French cuisine is considered to be the best in the world, and Wine Is Classy, after all. As with cheese, the names of French wines are taken from the regions in which the grapes are grown. — general
    • Belgians and French fries (which has nothing to do with France, but with the verb "to french"). Other Belgian dishes are mussels, sprouts, waterzooi and waffles. Very much Truth in Television in central Brussels, where every pub has the aroma of cooked mussels and there is at least one French fries vendor at each corner. — this one at least cites an example, might be salvageable
    • Dutchmen, Swiss people and Frenchmen have a penchant for cheese. — zero context
    • Dutchmen and herring which is eaten by tilting your head back and putting the fish slowly down in your mouth. More often, it is served cut in pieces with onions and pickles. — how the food is eaten is not citation of it being a favorite food
    • Germans and kraut-based foods, hence a slur during World War II when Germans were called "Krauts" by American soldiers. — might be okay since it's specifically invoked in the form of the slur
    • While in Russia, Germans (and Austrians) have been called kolbasniki (sausage-makers) for centuries, such as in Tolstoy's War and Peace. — might be okay since it's specifically invoked in the form of the slur
    • In Russia and Ukraine Belarusians are sometimes referred to by the nickname/mild ethnic slur bulbashi - bulba is the Belarusian word for "potato" and potatoes are a staple of their cuisine. The most well known example of Belarusian cuisine is draniki - potato pancakes. — might be okay since it's specifically invoked in the form of the slur
    • Ukrainians are well known for their love for salo - cured slabs of pork fat. — zero context
    • Irish people have also been stereotyped as eating nothing but potatoes, which comes from the sudden influx of Irish immigrants to the US because of the Potato Blight. Not to mention the reputation Irishmen have for loving whiskey..... — general stereotype, belongs on Hollywood Cuisine.
    • "Spaghettis" and "Macaronis" can be used as anti-Italian slurs in German-speaking countries. — might be okay since it's specifically invoked in the form of the slur
    • East Asians are considered synonymous with rice. — zero context, general stereotypes belong on Hollywood Cuisine
    • Pork is so important to Chinese cuisine that when the word for meat (肉, pronounced ròu in Mandarin and approximately yuk in Cantonese) appears in the name of a dish without qualification, it invariably refers to pork. — might be okay since it's specifically invoked in the word
    • Hong Kong, being known as "food paradise", has a huge range of cuisine from all over the world, but one possibility would be fishballs in the local style, and maybe dipped in curry or satay sauce, a very popular street food. Cheung Chau island in particular is known for their fishballs the size of small oranges. In general, Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumption per capita in the world. Even compared to nearby Taiwan, Hongkongers eat twice as much fish and five times as much beef per capita. For seafood, the golden threadfin bream is a good candidate for a favourite, being so popular the $100 HKD note is nicknamed after it (as they are both red with gold accents) and they are now a vulnerable species. — lists multiple foods; trope's about a specific favorite food.
    • Korea has several:
      • Koreans are well known for their love of Kimchi(especially Baechu(napa cabbage)-Kimchi). They eat it as a side dish in nearly every meal. — general stereotypes go on Hollywood Cuisine
      • Koreans are also infamous for boshintang, aka dog soup. China sometimes gets lumped in with them on this. However, dog soup is falling out of favor with younger Koreans due to concerns over animal rights and sanitation, since the raising of dogs for food is not regulated like the raising of livestock such as chickens, pigs and cows. — not an example since they no longer do this
    • The USA:
      • Depictions of Americans from other cultures will often feature a love of burgers, hot dogs and fries. Americans also have a reputation for slathering everything with melted cheese. Except for dry snacks like crackers, chips, and various cornmeal-based puffs; these they'll cover in powdered cheese. And they can deep-fry anything. Including ice cream. — general, lists multiple foods
      • Americans also love Mexican food — to the total bemusement of actual Mexicans. Perhaps not coincidentally, Mexican dishes like enchiladas and nachos lend themselves very well to being smothered in copious amounts of melted cheese. — general, belongs on Hollywood Cuisine
      • The meat that would qualify as America's true "trademark favorite food" would probably be chicken, because intensive agriculture made it affordable over the 20th century as health advocates demonized red meat as unhealthy in the latter part, and its nondescript flavor means it goes with any ingredient. — might count since the ad campaign specifically invoked/created it
    • Regional trademark foods:
      • New York City is famous for its pizza, Chinese food, bagels, and deli sandwiches. Most of the establishments that serve these also stay open late, lending to the "City That Never Sleeps" nickname. — general
      • Hawaii is one of the only places in the world where you'll be able to find SPAM in a McDonald's or Burger King. They even make sushi out of it! — general
      • In New Jersey and certain surrounding areas, the favored processed meat is pork roll, aka Taylor Ham. This Trenton creation has been popular in NJ, Delaware, eastern Pennsylvania, and northeastern Maryland basically since the stuff was invented in 1858. The name is a point of contention: it was originally called Taylor Ham, and people in North Jersey continue to call it that, but in 1906 the federal Pure Food and Drug Act forced the Taylor Company to stop calling it ham, so in South Jersey the newer but technically correct usage "pork roll" predominates. (Trenton, where the stuff is from, is in Central Jersey, where they use a mix of both; the city's official celebration of the meat is called the "Pork Roll Festival", but this is at least partly done to avoid alienating the two or three other companies hawking their variant on the stuff at the festival.) — the name stuff is completely irrelevant natter. also general.
      • Somewhat similarly, scrapple, a meaty loaf made of "every part of the pig but the squeal" (plus some cornmeal) is popular in eastern Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is also a huge fan of pretzels: the soft ones are popular across the state (although the Philadelphia area argues with the rest of the state about what shape they should be), and the hard ones were invented in PA. — general
      • Western Pennsylvanians love to put french fries on sandwiches, salads and pretty much everything else. Chocolate is also a statewide favorite. Hershey's is headquartered in the state, after all—and Mars (makers of M&Ms, Milky Way, and Snickers with US HQ in relatively nearby Hackettstown, NJ) has a factory in nearby Elizabethtown. (Because of Hershey's and to a lesser extent Mars, the Port of Philadelphia has the East Coast's largest entry point for cocoa beans. Eastern Pennsylvania therefore has an unusual number of small chocolate producers, since they can easily piggyback on the two chocolate giants' enormous supply.) — the chocolate bit might count since it's specifically invoked given the circumstances
      • Pennsylvania in general love snack foods, being the home or birthplace of numerous national brands including (but not limited to): Hershey's, Tastykake, Snyder's Pretzals, Utz Potato Chips, Herr's Potato chips, Marshmallow Peeps, Mike & Ike, Turkey Hill Ice Cream, etc. It's sometimes called "The snack food capital of the world." — seems fine?
      • West Virginia loves pepperoni rolls (a baked roll with pepperoni in it). — general, zero context
      • Chicago loves sausages. Kielbasa, bratwurst, hot dogs... if it's made of meat and put in a casing, Chicago will gobble it up. Also known for their pride in their local deep dish pizza.note  — the deep dish pizza is specifically invoked so might be okay if elaborated on. sausages are general.
      • Both Boston and Baltimore are stereotyped as having obsessions with seafood (clams and crabs, respectively). This is absolutely true. — okay, how is it true? can you name a specific example?
      • Boston got the nickname "Beantown" due to the popularity of baked beans there. — if this can be verified, it seems fine.
      • Almost all of New England has an affinity for Dunkin' Donuts, with memes being shown of certain places in Massachusetts and New Hampshire having a Dunkin' Donuts next to a Dunkin' Donuts. — if specific memes were cited, would be fine. can anyone find said memes?
      • Racist depictions of African-American people invariably feature a love of fried chicken and watermelon, rustic foods from the South. Collard greens are another stereotyped food. The entire "Soul Food" style of cooking is based around foods that are actually popular in the black community. — general
      • Southerners are also associated with certain foods, such as barbecue, corn pone, mint juleps, moonshine whiskey, and of course peanuts, immortalized in the song "Goober Peas" popular with the Confederate Army and the mileage comedians all over the world got out of President Jimmy Carter owning a peanut farm. — "Goober Peas" and Jimmy Carter's peanuts getting incorporated into popular perception is valid, rest is general
      • In addition to many typical southern foods, Louisiana has gumbo, jambalaya and po' boys (the local nickname for the kind of sandwich that's also known elsewhere as a hoagie, submarine, grinder, hero, etc., and most often filled with fried seafood). — general, lists multiple foods, does not link the foods to "characterization"
      • The Pacific Northwest is stereotyped for salmon, apples, bread, craft beer, and wine. The region grows more apples than anywhere else in the US, the Yakima Valley grows about half of the domestic hops output (explaining the breweries). Wheat and wine grapes also do well in the "dry" halves of Washington and Oregon. Salmon is native to the area. Coffee? Blame (or thank) the Scandinavians who settled in the area in the 19th and 20th centuries, the East Africans who came more recently, and the tech-based workforce; all of which are powered by coffee. — doesn't link food to "characterization"/regional identity, general
      • Seattle has another staple on top of these. Teriyaki places are almost as prolific as coffee shops. Seattle-style teriyaki started with Japanese immigrants, but proliferated under Korean, Vietnamese, and Filipino immigrants (some of who bought the restaurants after the original owners retired). The end result is like Japanese dishes married Korean barbecue, and then took a honeymoon through Vietnam and the Philippines before settling in America. — general
      • Cincinnati has a couple. For starters, chili... which is nothing like what most Americans think of when they hear the word. In almost all of the US, chili is a thick stew originating in Tex-Mex cuisine based on chili peppers and meat (usually beef), and often with tomatoes and/or beans (though beans are an especially controversial topic among chili aficionados). Cincinnati's form has its origins in Greek cuisine, with spices typical of that region; has a much thinner consistency closer to that of a sauce; and is almost never eaten by itself. Cincinnati chili is typically served over either spaghetti or a hot dog, usually topped by cheddar cheese and often by onions and/or kidney beans. A chili-topped hot dog is locally known as a "coney" (or "cheese coney" if cheddar is added). The other is goetta (pronounced "GET-uh"), a meat-and-grain sausage combining pork (or a pork-beef mixture) with steel-cut oats, also including spices and onions. — general, lists multiple foods, doesn't link to "characterization"/cultural identity
      • San Francisco is famous for its seafood, particularly Dungeness crab and shrimp, as well as sourdough bread. Being home to several Asian diaspora communities, it's also famous for Chinese, Japanese and Indian food. And as the Bay Area, like the rest of California, has a large Mexican-American population, San Francisco is also known for its Mexican food, particularly the "Mission burrito". — general, lists multiple foods, doesn't link to "characterization"
      • For Puerto Ricans, it would be "Arroz con habichuelas" or some Tostones and Mofongo. — general, zero context
      • Befitting its nickname as the dairy state, cheese is popular in Wisconsin. Furthermore, do to a long history of German immigrants, Wisconsinites like beer and bratwurst (which is often called a "brat" for short). — the bit with cheese could be okay if elaborated on given that it's incorporated into cultural identity. rest is general.
    • Scandinavians:
      • All Scandinavians are commonly stereotyped as eating nothing but fish, cooked in the most repulsive ways they can imagine, all day, every day. — general, stereotypes belong on Hollywood Cuisine.
      • Sweden has regional stereotypes as well. People from SkÃ¥ne, the southernmost part of Sweden, are heavily stereotyped as consuming nothing but fish and a kind of local pastry known as "spättekaka", to the point where there is a slur referring to them as "sillstrypare" (herring strangler). — might be okay if the slur's considered invoked.
      • Swedes and the rest of Scandinavia consider pickled herring a delicacy, and it is eaten at Christmas, Easter, Walpurgis night, and Midsummer's eve. Surströmming however, is only a trademark food. — general
      • The people of the Nordic countries are also known for drinking large amounts of coffee, which is frequently served black, because they feel that any additions such as milk or sugar dilute the flavor. — general
    • Finnish people are stereotyped as having their favorite candy being salty licorice (salmiakki), which is an acquired taste in other cultures. Other Nordics and Eastern Europeans also like it, but it's not as widespread. — general
    • Mexicans are often slurred with the term "Beaner", referring to the black, pinto, and refried beans common in Tex-Mex food. Their love for tacos is also well known, and you're very likely to come across multiple taco stands if you visit Mexico. They also love to put spice on just about anything imaginable, including children's candy (with pretty mild chili powder, but still with some spice). — "Beaner" might be valid since the slur invokes it.
    • Australians will put another shrimp on the barbie! Oddly enough, though, this stereotype is completely inaccurate - firstly, they call them prawns, not shrimp, and secondly, they prefer sausages, chops and steak on the barbie. The association with beer, meat pies and Vegemite is accurate, though.note  — not an example. they don't actually do this.
    • 22 out of 23 dishes on a Romanian restaurant's menu probably contain pork, with the 23rd usually being a salad. — general.
      • There is also the tradition, which drives the straw vegetarians nuts, of sacrificing the pig for the Christmas meal, which has to include roasted pork, pork sausages and pork bacon. — general
    • Canadians love poutine (french fries covered in gravy and cheese), originally a Québécois dish but now common nationwide. And Timbits (aka donut holes, most famously sold by the Tim Hortons chain). And Kraft Dinner (macaroni and cheese), as immortalized in the Barenaked Ladies song "If I Had $1,000,000". Also, maple syrup. — in reference to the song, that can be moved to Music. Not a real life example. Tim Hortons I know does get used in regional memes, but we'd need a specific example of that.
    • Japanese: Sushi, rice, bento, ramen, onigiri, sake, wasabi, hot mustard, and, for the more harshly stereotypical angle, whale meat. — general, zero context
    • Argentina: Red meat in general. Especially asado cooked (more or less like a barbecue) and mate, the national drink of choice. — general, zero context
    • Spain: Paella, gazpacho, tapas, wine, olive oil, jamón. — general, zero context
  • According to some sources, eggs are the Trademark Favorite Food of the Parsi (Indian Zoroastrians) community. There is an authentic Parsi recipe out there for eggs on potato chips. — which sources? also general
  • In most of the United States, cereal and donuts are popular breakfast foods. In Texas, however, particularly parts south of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, breakfast tacos (soft flour or corn tortillas filled with savory fillings such as potatoes scrambled with eggs or refried beans and melted cheese) are a beloved breakfast food that people can't get enough of. — general
    • Texans also love their kolaches for breakfast. The Czech pastry was brought by immigrants in the 19th century, and while traditional varieties contain fruit or a sweet poppy seed filling, since becoming a fixture in Texas they’ve been stuffed with everything from sausage to scrambled eggs to barbeque. In the historical Czech Belt in Central and Southeast Texas, along with the major metro areas, kolache bakeries are as ubiquitous as donut shops are elsewhere, and most bakeries and gas stations throughout the state will stock at least a few varieties. — general
  • During the 2010 world cup, Walkers Crisps released a series of flavours based on trademark foods from each country. A few examples-
    • England – Roast Beef & Yorkshire Pudding
    • France- Garlic Baguette
    • Germany – Bratwurst Sausage
    • Spain – Chicken Paella
    • Italy – Spaghetti Bolognaise
    • The US – Cheese Burger
    • Argentina – Flame Grilled Steak
    • Japan – Teriyaki Chicken — this one is fine, it's specifically invoked.

    People - In general 

  • We here at TV Tropes also have a favorite food: Toblerone, the former Trope Namer for Boisterous Bruiser. — zero context and a general injoke
  • Pixar employees seem to have a thing for cereal — so much so that they even have a room with milk, fruit and every kind of cereal imaginable at Pixar Studios, aptly known as the "Cereal Bar." — seems fine?
  • College students, generally being either low on funds or disinclined to complex meals, have a few favorites. Packet versions of East Asian dishes such as mi goreng or ramen are both popular, as they are very easy to make and can be mixed in with any number of other things. Chickpeas, kidney beans and lentils are also much beloved, especially among vegans and vegetarians. — general.
  • Hippies and granola. — general.
  • Hipsters: Anything vegan, organic or gluten-free. — general.
  • A common joke is that a rugby flanker's diet primarily consists of the opposing team's fly half (AKA 5/8ths, or outside half, depending on region). — general.
  • Baseball has several foods associated with the sport: hot dogs, pizza by the slice, nachos, peanuts and Cracker Jack, the last two of which is mentioned in the song, "Take Me Out to the Ballgame". Bubble gum and sunflower seeds are also popular among players who don't want to or can't chew tobacco (players who made their MLB debut after the 2016 season are banned from in-game tobacco use). — general.
  • Pregnant women may have specific cravings that they like to eat. — general.
  • Anti-environmentalist strawmen: Spotted owls, or any other endangered species. — general, also strawmen don't exist in real life
    • Meanwhile, straw environmentalists are usually eating either granola or something composed of tofu. — general, also strawmen don't exist in real life
  • Like fish? Enjoy your kittens... sea kittens, that is! — not an example.
  • Memetic Mutation says the entire community at www.Fark.com loves bacon. Then again, There Are Two Kinds of People in the World: those that would kill for bacon, and those that can't eat it for religious or dietary reasons. — zero context, could be valid if elaborated on. of course, it could be argued that if it's solely a meme, it belongs in Web Original.
  • Gamers with Mountain Dew and Doritos (according to the people who make them anyway). — general, could be made valid if specific marketing campaigns were cited.
    • Tabletop gamers doubly so, along with Cheetos. — general
    • M&M's and Cheez-Its are also very popular with gamers, in part because they don't leave behind any residue on the hands and fingers. — general
    • Geeks in general are stereotyped as junk food junkies. — general
    • In Japanese works Otaku are often depicted eating canned oden, as it's a specialty of Akihabara. — general
    • Tabletop gamers, similarly, have Cheetos, Mountain Dew, and Twinkies. — general and redundant
      • The Mountain Dew has a logical reason: it provides caffeine without the time and equipment needed to make coffee. — general
      • Energy drinks such as Red Bull, V and Jolt Cola also count. — general
  • Not quite real life because it's more of general stereotypes, but stoners frequently eat pizza (specifically Domino's), and college students favor Taco Bell. These came from somewhat possible origins, Domino's delivers and Taco Bell is some of the cheapest food available. All of these foods also happen to be sold in places that are open late at night. — specifically acknowledges itself as general and not a real life thing.
    • A stoner's favorite food is whatever's handy. — general, not an example
    • Although any liquid can help the throat of a stoner after smoking pot, Arizona Iced Tea usually gets referenced more often compared to other drinks. — referenced where? could be made valid if examples were cited.
    • A stereotypical example of a "stoner's favourite food" are funyuns. Expect most jokes referring to stoners made on late night talk shows to include a mention of the snack. — if said talk shows exist, they'd be in Stand-Up Comedy. not an example and general.
    • One of the effects of marijuana is the rise of serotonin levels in your brain, making you feel hungry and enhancing your sense of taste, so pretty much anything with a lot of flavor, especially sweet or salty snacks, is most sought after by those of a stoned persuasion. Even something as bland as celery tastes good when you're stoned. — doesn't cite a specific food, not an example
    • Everything tastes good when you're stoned. Even most of the foods you don't like. — not an example
    • Exploited Trope: When Washington State passed a vote to allow recreational marijuana use, the Seattle Police department showed up at the annual Hempfest gathering (the country's largest pro-pot rally) with free bags of Doritos and Funyuns. Each bag had a brief "dos and don'ts" flyer attached explaining the rights and restrictions of the new pot laws. — the invocation of the stereotype could be valid, seeing as this is a characterization trope that can't be played straight IRL.
  • Order the same thing from a restaurant every day (or as good as). They soon associate you with that food. — general
  • Young white liberal women are associated with pumpkin spice lattes. — general

    People - Named 

  • Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States:
    • George Washington had a fondness for ice cream, having spent 200 dollars on the stuff over the course of the summer of 1790 alone (in modern times, that would be approximately 5,000 dollars. Note that ice cream, particularly in the summer, was considerably more expensive in the days before mechanical refrigeration.) He also adored green peas - in fact, a failed British plot to assassinate him involved poisoning a plate, but Washington was warned by his housekeeper in time. He was also known to buy entire barrels of nuts for snacking. — i mean, this could be valid, but it's a characterization trope and "president likes food" doesn't count as someone making it part of their persona. valid in the sense of "person has favorite food", but Trademark Favorite Food is a characterization trope that can only validly exist IRL in my opinion if invoked so.
    • Thomas Jefferson loved macaroni (with and without cheese), and served it to his guests often. He is probably responsible for macaroni & cheese in its original modern American form (baked, with a cheddar-based cheese sauce and topped with crunchy breadcrumbs and more cheese), and frequently moaned about how there wasn't really an adequate skill base for macaroni making in America (the stuff had to be imported from Italy). As a gourmet, he was also so obsessed with wine that he ended up with serious financial problems from importing European wine. His efforts to turn Monticello into a winery failed. — him being responsible for modern mac and cheese could be valid. is there a source for this?
    • Andrew Jackson was known to be so fond of cheese that he had a giant wheel of it delivered to the White House so he could share it with everyone else. He also liked beer. Lots and LOTS of beer. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Martin Van Buren liked strawberries and celery. His contemporaries mocked him for this, because they believed such fare was not "manly" enough. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Abraham Lincoln liked apples. — 0 context
    • Ulysses S. Grant was famous for eating pickles for breakfast. His favorite dessert was rice pudding and he ordered it whenever possible. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • William Howard Taft was known for being a Big Eater and for the lavish banquets he held at the White House. His preferred meal was steak and potatoes, which he had for every meal he could until his health began declining. However, he had a surprisingly healthy favorite food: almonds. He ate them when he was worried, and claimed they helped him think. He kept up the almond habit after losing over a hundred pounds and becoming Chief Justice; since thinking is more or less a judge's job, we'll assume he ate a lot of almonds then. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Dwight D. Eisenhower enjoyed grilling outdoors on the White House roof and often put a pot of his own beef stew on the stove to simmer in the kitchen. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • John F. Kennedy loved clam chowder (He was Bostonian, after all) and vanilla ice cream. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Lyndon Johnson loved chicken-fried steak, barbecue, and chili; his preferred recipe, Pedernales River Chili, was sent out on recipe cards by Lady Bird. For health reasons, venison (deer meat) was substituted for beef. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Richard Nixon — cottage cheese and ketchup. He once explained he picked up the habit because his grandmother credited cottage cheese for her living into her 90s, and he wanted to live longer as well. However, he hated the taste of cottage cheese, but loved the taste of ketchup, and found combining them made cottage cheese much more palatable. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Gerald Ford liked cottage cheese and A.1. Steak Sauce.
    • Ronald Reagan and jelly beans, to the point that there is a portrait of him at his presidential library made of Jelly Bellies (his preferred brand) and he required that Air Force One have them at all times. There's a duplicate at their factory too. He started eating them regularly to help him quit smoking and the habit never went away. On the 1983 flight of the Space Shuttle orbiter Challenger, Reagan had some jelly beans stashed on board in secret as a surprise for the astronauts. — this one seems fine since the jelly beans are specifically invoked by way of the portrait and him demanding the air force have them.
    • George H. W. Bush was partial to crispy fried pork rinds, aka chicharrones. This salty snack is a Southern American and Mexican staple and is slightly similar to the British favorite pork cracklings (except cracklings aren't as "clean" as pork rinds). He also had a trademark least favorite food: broccoli. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Bill Clinton was known for his love of McDonald's and fried chicken, to the point where it gave him a heart attack and forced him to undergo cardiac surgery. Bill's habits led to several amusing incidents in The '90s like the one where the President, after going on a morning jog per doctor's orders, stops by a McDonald's near the White House to order a breakfast (with, at least according to some reports, "a small diet soda"). A New Yorker cartoon shows a crew member handing him a to-go bag with a cheery "Have a nice Administration!" Clinton went vegan after leaving office. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization". comics and parodies go in their own sections.
    • George W. Bush's favorite food is enchiladas, a Mexican dish consisting of shredded, melted cheese and meat (usually chicken or beef) rolled into softened corn tortillas and topped with a spicy, chili powder-based sauce, more cheese, and diced onions. He often had the White House chef prepare them for him and based his favorite restaurants in his home state of Texas off of the strength of their enchiladas. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Barack Obama is a fan of fancy chocolates; especially Fran's Chocolates, an artisan chocolate brand from Seattle. He also likes chili, specifically his family's recipe (turkey-based with red wine vinegar, turmeric and basil plus the staple ingredients like kidney beans, onions, peppers and so on; served over rice). — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Donald Trump likes to have bacon and eggs for breakfast. He also likes cherry-vanilla ice cream and has a memetic fondness for KFC, McDonald's, Burger King, and Diet Coke. He has one specific order he loves at McDonald's: two Big Macs, two Filet-O-Fishes, and a large chocolate milkshake. He even had a McDonald's buffet (mostly Big Macs) for a White House dinner. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization". specific memes can go in the sections for works that use them
    • Joe Biden is extremely fond of ice cream, to the point of it becoming a Memetic Mutation. Pictures of Biden eating ice cream cones have achieved such status ever since his days of Vice-President, and he posted a picture of a pint of ice cream as his "prep" for his first debate of the 2020 general election. His favorite flavor, according to an interview, is chocolate chip. He's also a longtime lover of classic Italian-American "red sauce" dishes and is known among many Wilmington restaurants as a regular. — him citing ice cream on his own social media counts since it's invoked
  • In this interview during March 2013, former First Lady, Secretary of State, and presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton says that, since 1992, she has used hot chili peppers to maintain her stamina. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • This came up hilariously in the news in April 2016, as in an interview with NYC radio show The Breakfast Club, Clinton told DJ Charlemagne Tha God that she carries hot sauce in her purse. Charlemagne took this as a Pretty Fly for a White Guy reference to Beyoncé's then-new song "Formation" and joked about her "pandering to black people." Turns out it's 100% true. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Winston Churchill really liked consommé, a clear soup made by straining broth so that it doesn't have any impurities, and was annoyed when household economies meant that he couldn't have it. He also very much liked roast beef and Yorkshire pudding, and also tinned orange slices, but he greatly disliked stews, Chinese food and marmalade. In general, Churchill liked French cooking, the classier the better. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • His successor Clement Attlee liked a mug of cocoa. — zero context
  • Pope Francis has several favorites, as outlined in the new cookbook Buon Appetito, Swiss Guard (compiled by David Geisser, a member of the Swiss Guard and a cook himself), including colita de cuadril (grilled sirloin steak) and dulche de leche, a milk pudding that originates from his native Argentina. As a second-generation Italian-Argentine, it should also come as no surprise that he's a big fan of pasta. — this one is valid since the cookbook "invokes" it.
  • The favorites of other recent Popes are detailed in the book:
    • John Paul II liked pierogi, a Polish dumpling made from unleavened dough, stuffed with potato, sauerkraut, meat, cottage cheese or fruit. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Benedict XVI likes specialties from his native Bavaria, including wurstel salad (potato salad with bacon and cucumber), schweinsbraten (roast pork served with potatoes and onions) and baked cherries topped with whipped cream. == doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • NFL coach Andy Reid, currently with the Kansas City Chiefs, LOVES cheeseburgers. To memetic levels. After President Trump served a fast food buffet to the Clemson Tigers after their 2018/19 NCAA Football title and the Chiefs made the AFC Championship game in 2020, jokes flew left and right about the possibility of Andy getting cheeseburgers when visiting. When the Kansas City Chiefs won the AFC Championship in the 2019/20 season, he was asked how he celebrated the victory, and he responded with an absolutely straight face, "I ate a cheeseburger and went to bed." When they won the Super Bowl two weeks later, he promised "I will find the biggest cheeseburger you've ever seen. Might make it a double!" — this one seems fine, he specifically invokes it.
  • Elvis Presley had a few, being a Big Eater later in life.
    • He loved fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches for lunch, sometimes with bacon. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Bacon, in fact, seemed to be something he loved in general, mostly because it was a luxury that his mother couldn't afford when he was a child. As an adult, he often kept a large plate of it on his piano to eat while he played it. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • He also really liked the Fool's Gold Loaf, an extremely rich and expensive sandwich made by the Colorado Mine Company (which is in fact a five-star restaurant in Denver) consisting of a hollowed-out loaf of Italian bread, a full jar of peanut butter, a full jar of jelly, and a full pound of bacon. Each one of these has about 8,000 calories. Elvis and two Colorado police officers were discussing the sandwich late at night on 1 February 1976 at Elvis' Graceland Ranch in Tennessee. Just talking about the sandwich made them all very hungry for one. What did they do? They hopped on Elvis' private jet, landing in Denver two hours later, where they found 22 Fool's Gold Loaves (Elvis having made arrangements with the owner of the Colorado Mine Company, a personal friend) and ate all of the sandwiches between him, the policemen, and the pilots of Elvis' plane over the course of three hours (that's 4-5 sandwiches=4-5 pounds of bacon and 32-40,000 calories per person in three hours), washing them down with Perrier and Dom Perignon. After the sandwiches were gone, Elvis, the police officers, and the pilots flew back to Memphis without ever leaving the airport.
    • When feeling less ambitious, Elvis would often "settle" for a simple Monte Cristo, a ham and cheese sandwich egg-batter-dipped, pan-fried, dusted with powdered sugar, and served with a side of syrup for dipping. When Bob Zmuda asked a man who had been one of Elvis' personal assistants if he thought Elvis was still alive, the man responded, "Nobody can eat that many Monte Cristo sandwiches a day and expect to live." — I don't know what's going on here, but I don't think it's the trope.
  • After John Glenn was reported to have eaten steak and eggs for breakfast just before becoming the first American in orbit, it became tradition for all NASA astronauts to have a steak and egg breakfast on the morning of a lift-off. Glenn also confessed to smuggling some bologna sandwiches with him on board. — seems fine since it changed how astronauts worked
  • Walt Disney loved sandwiches and home-style/comfort food, but his favorite meal was chili and beans with a glass of V-8 juice and soda crackers on the side. He had his favorite homemade chili recipe, but when he was feeling less ambitious he would take a can of Gebhardt's (a lot of meat and few beans) and a can of Dennison's (a little meat and lots of beans) and mix them together. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Salvador Dalí ate copious amounts of camembert cheese every night in order to have the dreams that he later painted. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Paula Deen loves butter. She puts it on every dish she makes. She even made a dish accompanied by shots of melted butter. The "Ross Report" segment on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno turned this into a drinking game: every time Jay high-fived Ross, they would roll the clip of Paula Deen downing the melted butter shot. — seems fine since she's invoking it as part of her stage persona
  • German chancellor Helmut Kohl had Saumagen, a country dish from the Palatinate that amounts to German pork haggis. He used to serve it at dinners with other heads of government, including Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, drawing the mockery of the German press. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • Another regular occurrence was that, when in the Frankfurt (Germany) area, he tended to slip away from his aides and security personnel, who after several such incidents knew where to find him: in a butcher's shop in central Frankfurt, eating one of their trademark hot sausages. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was known for his enormous appetite. His advisor Asaf Shariv says that Sharon's favorite meal was "meat in every way". When Sharon first went into a vegetative coma in 2006, doctors attempted to use the smell of roasted meat to wake him. It did not work, and Sharon remained in a coma until his death in January 2014. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Interactive Fiction writer Emily Short makes no secret of her fondness for cheese, once writing a list rating Interactive Fiction games according to cheese content. In one rather charming IF game, there was a puzzle featuring tyromancy (divination by cheese). The game featured about 30 different cheese varieties, all with full descriptions of sight, smell AND taste. — if she makes this part of her persona, it's fine.
  • Don Gorske takes this to an extreme: not only are Big Macs his Trademark Favorite Food, but he (quite literally) eats almost nothing else (not even the fries). — does he, though? doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Try to find a Bobby Flay recipe that doesn't call for chili peppers in any form. This applies, in a way, even when he appears on Iron Chef America, as not a battle goes by where Flay doesn't make his two signature oils as part of his dishes. — he does seem to invoke this in his stage persona. could be valid, but I'd want a second opinion from someone more familiar with him than me
  • Good Eats host Alton Brown has his kosher salt, and his fresh-ground black pepper (he has used the latter in a dessert). — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Jamie Oliver admits to being addicted to chili peppers, and claims that he needs to nibble on them to get going every morning. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Shigesato Itoi loves croquette rolls, so inevitably they were a regular feature of the Mother trilogy. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • When he was coaching the Washington Redskins in the 1970s, famously quirky head coach George Allen had the same thing every day for lunch: a peanut butter & jelly sandwich and a glass of milk, made by his secretary. This prompted NFL Films President Steve Sabol to say once "Thanks to him, I'll never look at a jar of peanut butter the same way again." — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • During the late 1960s, Eric Clapton was a huge fan of Macintosh chocolates. The Beatles' song "Savoy Truffle" was about Clapton's love of sweets. — general, the song itself could go into Music.
  • Frank Zappa with the "Burnt Weeny Sandwich", which involved splitting a hot dog lengthwise and roasting it over an oven flame, then eating it with two slices of bread and mustard. He also liked to eat Hormel Chili with Beans cold right out of the can. — general, the song/album itself could go into Music.
    • Also well known as a coffee fiend; it and cigarettes were the only substances he normally indulged in. — general, doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • H. P. Lovecraft seems to have loved ice cream (plus other sweet things) and baked beans. Of course, his least favorite was seafood—a rather unfortunate thing for a New Englander. At least we have an explanation for The Shadow Over Innsmouth... — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Dwayne Johnson sure does love pie. He also implied John Cena likes Fruity Pebbles, though whether that's true or not has never actually been confirmed. Then there's Sheamus's apparent obsession with potatoes and Matt Hardy's addiction to grapes. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization". if it were, it'd go in Professional Wrestling re: the characters they play.
    • Out of character, Johnson is a huge fan of donuts. On his cheat days note  he is known to eat them by the dozen. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Writer and food critic Anthony Bourdain LOVED pork. He even said he went on heart medication because he refused to give it up. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • He also loved anything spicy, as well as durian. — zero context
  • VlogBrothers John and Hank Green make a big fuss about their favorite foods: Pizza and corndogs, respectively. The former even has a shirt in honor of his love for pizza. Each has a fondness for the other's favorite food, though; when Hank did the episode of Crash Course Anatomy & Physiology about smell and taste, he expressed extreme discomfort at having to hold up a pizza for ten straight minutes while only taking one bite out of it (several minutes in, at that). — this seems fine since they specifically invoke it
  • Comedian Gabriel Iglesias and chocolate cake. Fans often send him cakes backstage at his shows - a practice he encourages. — this seems fine since he specifically invokes it. of course, I'm not sure if this really counts as a real life example in reference to the comedian work.
  • Auburn University linebacker Cassanova McKinzy admitted that he chose the school over Clemson because the former had a Chick-fil-A right on campus. After his statements, many news sources noted that Clemson actually does have the chain on campus. Oops. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Alex Trebek mentioned his love for chocolate on some of the shows he hosted. He admitted to being a chocoholic on a 1993 episode of Jeopardy!, and he tried to talk a contestant into sharing a chocolate-themed prize with him on Classic Concentration. Trebek often mentioned that his usual breakfast was a Diet Pepsi and Snickers bar. — seems fine, he specifically invokes it on stage.
  • After word got around that Beatle George Harrison loved Jelly Babies, his many fangirls started pelting him with them at concerts. It was even worse in the United States, where girls couldn't get their hands on Jelly Babies and instead threw jelly beans, which are far tougher; describing it to a reporter, George said, "Imagine waves of rock-hard little bullets raining down on you from the sky." Furthermore, he completely subverted the trope by saying that neither he nor anyone in the band liked Jelly Babies to begin with. (He had claimed to like them in a 1963 interview, but it's easy to imagine how he might have lost his taste for them after being hit with them one too many times.) George's love of Jelly Babies remains a Running Gag in Beatles fandom. — since he didn't actually do this, this isn't a real life example. I do think the bit with fans throwing Jelly Babies is a neat demonstration of the concept, but I'm not sure where it'd go.
  • Prussian king Frederick the Great loved potatoes so much he turned them into a staple crop of his kingdom. Since his peasants were not too fond of the new vegetable, legend says Frederick posted his guards around a potato field, hoping that people would "steal" and cultivate them after realizing they were so important that the royal guard watched their fields. It worked.
    • That Frederick did this is doubtful, as the first records of the tactic link them to French agronomist Antoine-Augustin Parmentier "guarding" his potato patch in Sablons in the mid-to-late 1780s (late in Frederick's life); the association with Frederick did not come until later, so the tale about Frederick is probably apocryphal. That said, it's generally accepted that when Parmentier did his "guarding" trick, the local (French) peasants adopted the crop. (Scandinavia and the World did a cute rendering of the story in a 2016 comic). It's also true that for his part, potatoes were definitely Parmentier's Trademark Favorite Food, as well, as he wrote incessantly about how awesome potatoes were, how they would save Europe from famine, etc., etc., etc., even to the point of sending bouquets of potato flowers to the King. This had an effect on French culinary nomenclature, as many potato dishes are named after him for this association (for instance, the French variation of shepherd's pie is called hachis Parmentier, while potato salad is called salade Parmentier).
    • Frederick did, however, encourage production of potatoes, using a rather more traditional Prussian method: severe penalties for farmers who refused to grow them, with regular checks by the Army to ensure they complied. Parmentier's obsession with the potato actually came from his time held prisoner by the Prussians during the Seven Years' War; the food for POWs included potatoes. — holy natter, Batman! also, someone encouraging growing a food in their country policy and it being their personal favorite food are different things.
  • NFL running back Marshawn Lynch, who made his name with the Seattle Seahawks, loves Skittles, and is often seen snacking on them on the sidelines during games. This became a Running Gag when the Hawks made it to the Super Bowl - confectioneries and stores around town were finding increasingly creative ways to incorporate them into game-day treats. — the confectionaries invoking it makes it fine
    • When the Hawks won the Super Bowl, he turned the tables, showering his fans with Skittles from the victory parade. — this has no reason to be a subbullet but is otherwise fine
  • Britney Spears is always seen with Cheetos, Fanta or a Starbucks Frappucino. She also had a favor toward cafe mocha when she was younger. She's a favorite of the paparazzi and the photos are infinite proof and in interviews, she notes it too. — which interviews? if we have examples of her invoking it, it would work.
  • Selena Gomez is known to love fried pickles, often combined with french fries, a delicacy she claims she acquired as they served it in movie theaters in her home state of Texas. She often jokes about how unusual (and hard to get) the snack seems to be outside of her home state. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Michael J. Fox: Prior to becoming a vegetarian, he really loved chicken. — zero context
  • American Civil War general Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was said to have a fondness for peaches. — zero context
    • Many folktales mention him also having a fondness for lemons and while the man himself said they were a "rare treat ... enjoyed greatly whenever it could be obtained from the enemy's camp", many historians believe that his obsession with lemons was an exaggeration. — not an example, he didn't actually do this
  • Emperor Franz Josef of Austria loved a certain type of fluffy pancake known as Kaiserschmarrn. His wife, Elisabeth (Sisi), loved sorbets with crystallized violets. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Electronic/metal musician Celldweller really likes Reese's Puffs cereal. In his behind-the-scenes video regarding the making of his first album, he even states that after he rented the studio he recorded the album in, Reese's Puffs were the only food he had with him. — if he invoked it in the music video, might happen
  • Charles M. Schulz was known to ingest a ham sandwich and a glass of milk when drawing comic strips. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Just judging from her constant Photoshopped pictures humorously/surrealistically displaying the food in weird settings or referencing it in pictures, Miley Cyrus certainly has a thing for pizza. — speculative
  • Mara Wilson and saltine crackers, as depicted in the header of her Twitter account as of March 2015. — if she invokes it, might be valid
  • Jimi Hendrix was said to have a thing for strawberry upside-down cake. — zero context
  • Zendaya goes nuts for Häagen-Dazs ice cream (preferably coffee flavored). — zero context
  • Chilean President Ramón Barros Luco always asked for a sandwich of beef strips and melted cheese on toast in the cafeteria of the Chilean National Congress. His cousin, Senator Ernesto Barros Jarpa, liked a similar one but with ham rather than beef. The sandwiches were named "Barros Luco" and "Barros Jarpa" and now are staples of Chilean fast food. — may count if they were associated enough with the foods for them to be named after them
  • Thanks to Kevin Garnett and the 2007-08 Boston Celtics, the peanut butter & jelly sandwich has now become the go-to pregame meal for the National Basketball Association in general — and for some, it can get to Serious Business levels. — if it specifically changed how things work and got invoked, valid
  • Donald Trump's former press secretary, Sean Spicer, has a habit of swallowing pieces of gum whole. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Tokugawa Ieyasu was said to be very fond of tempura (which at the time was a very popular dish among the Japanese that was developed from Portuguese's dish). There was an urban myth that Tokugawa Ieyasu died from over-consuming a lot of tempura (in truth, he most likely died from cancer or syphilis). — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization". also if he didn't actually do that, him dying from it didn't count
  • According to U.K. Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn's first wife, Jane Chapman, he liked to eat baked beans cold straight out of the can as a vegetarian. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Steve Jobs infamously ate only fruit at one point, which is why he named his company Apple. — citation needed? would be fine if verified.
  • Taylor Swift is noted for being rather fond of sushi and baked goods. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • "Weird Al" Yankovic is famous (infamous?) for his love of his own invention, The Twinkie-Weiner Sandwich, which is comprised of a Twinkie (cut longways across the bottom) into which a hot dog is inserted, then topped with spray cheese. Since becoming a vegetarian, Al has used tofu dogs in the recipe. — seems fine, he specifically invokes this in his public persona
  • Robert Rodriguez: breakfast tacos with homemade tortillas, for which he shares his grandmother's recipe in a Sin City extra. — if he invokes this in his work, fine
  • A woman named Elizabeth Sullivan drank three Dr Peppers every day for over forty years, living to the ripe age of 106, testing Dr Pepper's ad campaign. — did she really do this because she liked the food, though? doesn't seem to be an example of a personal "favorite food"
  • Louisiana Governor and Senator Huey Long was so fond of the Ramos gin fizz (also known as a "New Orleans fizz") cocktail that he even brought a bartender from New Orleans to the New Yorker Hotel in New York City to teach its staff how to make the drink so he could have it whenever he was there. — valid if it can be verified
  • Napoléon Bonaparte loved potatoes and onions cooked in olive oil before every battle. — general. doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Based on a few "about the author" blurbs, Neil Gaiman appears to really like sushi. — general. doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
    • And Ursula Vernon once fought him for free nachos. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Dave Kellett (creator of the webcomic Sheldon), is extremely fond of Hobnobs, which aren't readily available in the US. Bringing him boxes of them at conventions has become something of a Running Gag. — doesn't seem to be part of a persona/"characterization"
  • Patton Oswalt loves steak, to the point of working his love of it into a routine about steakhouse adverting, in particular calling Black Angus "a gauntlet of angry food" ("At Black Angus, yer name is Peaches"). — if it appears in his comedy work, that's not a real life example.
  • Andy Kaufman, despite being a macrobiotic vegetarian as an adult, had a serious Sweet Tooth and a weakness for chocolate in particular; during the Heartbeeps shoot he spoiled a take when he noticed someone had a candy bar and decided to ask for it. — if verified, would be valid.

Edited by NonexistentYeets on Dec 22nd 2022 at 10:26:56 AM

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13585: Dec 22nd 2022 at 7:30:35 PM

[up]Looking through that, I'd support a crowner, it seems to be both Narrative and Too Common. It has its own sub-page, which is generally a sign that the RL examples are growing out of control.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13586: Dec 23rd 2022 at 8:13:44 AM

I'd have to mostly agree with Viking, but I think that reviwers/performers who incorporate food preferences into their performance/review personas can at least go to their home medium.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 23rd 2022 at 11:14:07 AM

Rawr.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#13587: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:19:24 AM

i return bearing the gift of more work to do!

while i was on suspension i kept track of RL sections i wanted to bring up here and ive got, like, 12 on my sandbox. i don't want to flood the thread, so ill bring them up one at a time, pending discussion.

to start with, here's my commentary on the RL section of Cue the Flying Pigs:

    Cue The Flying Pigs 
  • A spoof news story from 2002: "Pigs flying over the frozen landscape of hell reported that online retailer Amazon.com turned in the first profit in its history on Tuesday, just moments after the sun set in the East." spoof articles aren't real life
  • Before Eurovision Song Contest 2006, after a Finnish metal band was announced, it was said that "Hell will freeze over before Finland wins". Finland got 292 points, at that time the highest number on record. unless it can be shown that hell froze over, not this trope
    • Perhaps ironically, the Finnish band was Lordi, which was almost not admitted due to accusations of Satanism. Definitely ironically, the song with which they won was "Hard Rock Hallelujah", which the band's "face", Mr. Lordi, used as proof that they're not Satanic. natter
    • According to a pre-2006 Russian joke: "At -10 degrees Celsius, heating is switched on in British homes, while Finns change into a long-sleeved shirt. At -20, Austrians fly to Málaga, while Finns celebrate midsummer. At -200, Hell freezes over and Finland wins the Eurovision Song Contest. At -273 absolute zero temperature is reached, all atom movement ceases. The Finns shrug and say: 'Perkele, a bit chilly today, isn't it?'" could be moved to Jokes section
    • Given the number of Finnish metal bands, especially with the country's relatively small population, this was probably inevitable. natter
  • Appropriate headlines were done when Apple, after years of claiming the Apple Macintosh's PowerPC processors could "toast" the Intel Pentium, switched the entire line to Intel processors in 2005-2006. what headlines? without them this isn't an example.
  • The late James Randi presented Pigasus Awards (Pig + Pegasus) each year for paranormal fraud in several categories. not really this trope, is it?
  • Hunter S. Thompson and the Battle of Aspen. Thompson ran for Sheriff of Pitkin County, Colorado, of which Aspen is the county seat. Folks said that the long-haired hippie-types who formed the "Freak Power" movement to elect Thompson would win when pigs flew, or some such. Thompson shaved his (already balding) head, and began referring to the crew-cut Republican candidate as "my long-haired opponent". not this trope
  • The New Orleans Saints for the most part were one of the worst NFL teams; some exclaiming that "Pigs Would Fly" if the Saints went to the Super Bowl. However, the Saints' fortunes have changed for the better and in 2010, the Saints finally got the right to play in the Super Bowl, which Saints announcer Jim Henderson then exclaimed: "Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Super Bowl!". Later, making sure that "Pigs Were Flying" in New Orleans, the Saints would go on to win the Super Bowl. metaphorical, trope requires it to be literal
    • A popular radio sportscaster in New Orleans once said that if the Saints ever made it to the Super Bowl he would wear a dress. He died before he got the opportunity, so former Saints quarterback Bobby Hebert led a drag parade in memory of this trope. maybe valid?
  • 1,275 breeding pigs flown to Vladivostok. has nothing to do with the trope, just wordplay
  • An Italian soccer team has embraced a variation of this trope, but with donkeys instead of pigs. Verona hosts two soccer teams: Hellas Verona and Chievo Verona. In the past decades, the first team used to play in Serie A, while the second used to play in Serie B. Supporters of Hellas Verona even made a rhyme about this: Quando i mussi i volerà / faremo il derby in serie A / e sarà sempre così / Verona in A e Chievo in B. Translated into English: When donkeys fly / we'll have a derby in Serie A / and it will always be like this / Verona in A and Chievo in B. Cue 2001, when Chievo was promoted to Serie A and went on to actually play two derbies against Verona. At this point, Chievo itself embraced the trope, inserting the picture of a flying donkey in the team's website and getting the nickname "i mussi che vola" (="the flying donkeys"). For added irony, Hellas Verona were stuck in the bottom of the third division in 2007-08 (although Chievo spent their only season outside the top flight since 2002 then- they won Serie B easily, and have remained in Serie A since 2008, in spite of a terrible start to the 2008-09 season), but survived due to the financial predicaments of others, and, in 2011, managed two promotions in 3 years to return to Serie A and take on Chievo again. needs a trim, not sure if valid
  • As almost everyone knows by now, there is a town in Michigan called Hell. Being in Michigan, it has been known to freeze from time to time. There's one in Norway as well. The one in Michigan has begun to realize this, and has begun to market themselves (sigh) to Hell and back. When Caroline Rhea had her own talk show, she asked one of the town citizens if she had seen her ex-boyfriend (whom she had told to go to hell previously.) The woman said that he had enrolled in their local university, Damn U. They also sell souvenirs (Hell in a Hand Basket) and toys (Bat out of Hell) and even have an Ice Cream Parlor. maybe valid, invoked? could go under advertising?
  • A man walking on the moon was another thing-that-will-never-happen until Neil Armstrong made it happen in 1969. general, unnecessary since only one sub-bullet is valid
    • There's an urban legend that when Neil Armstrong was a boy, he overheard his next door neighbors arguing loudly. The wife shouted at her husband, "I'll give you oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" urban legend
    • Johnny Carson told America in his monologue that NBC had given him a raise. "It was in my contract that I'd get a raise when people walked on the moon." valid
    • Legend has it during one batting practice early in his career, someone remarked that "they'll put a man on the moon before" then-San Francisco Giants pitcher Gaylord Perry hit a homer (major league pitchers aren't usually known for their batting prowess). The most often-cited source of the quote is Alvin Dark, who managed the Giants from 1961-1964. It's not known for sure if Dark or anyone else actually made this claim, but Perry did hit his first career homer about twenty minutes after the P.A. at Candlestick Park announced that the Eagle had landed on the moon. apocryphal
  • In Australian Rules Football, the Sydney Swans had a long losing streak in 1992-3, which ended when they beat the Melbourne Demons. The next day, a newspaper cartoon featured two demons standing in a frozen-over hell, with one saying, "Looks like the Swans finally won a game." don't think this one works, maybe in Comic Strips?
  • During World War II, Brazil was in a bit of a bind—traditionally aligned with the Allies and heavily dependent on American trade, the regime at the time was authoritarian with Fascist sympathies, and as a result tried to remain neutral. As a result, the dictator Vargas said that Brazil would enter the war "when snakes smoke" (at the time a Brazilian Portuguese expression for "when pigs fly"). When Brazil actually did join the war in 1943, the Brazilian Expeditionary Force was nicknamed the Cobras Fumantes—the "Smoking Snakes". Their insignia was even a snake smoking a pipe. Ever since , "a cobra vai fumar!" ("snakes will smoke!") has meant "it will definitely happen, and it will be huge!" in Brazilian Portuguese. metaphorical, not literal
  • Also during World War 2, Hermann Goering supposedly said, "No bomb will fall on Berlin (or, in some versions, the Ruhr). If they do, you can call me Meyer."Note  German population called air raid sirens, common over most of Germany in the latter half of the war, "Meyer's trumpets" on the account of this. maybe valid, since cited
    • Göring also made comments that he would eat a broomstick if enemy bombers reached Berlin. He was subsequently known as "Meyer the Broomstick". apocryphal
  • It is said that before he became Emperor, Caligula met with a fortune-teller, who told him "You are as likely to rule the Roman Empire as you are to ride across the bay of Naples without getting your horse wet." When he did become emperor, he commandeered all the boats in Naples, lined them up from one side of the bay to the other, and rode his horse across them, just to spite the fortune teller. valid
  • Appropriate headlines were made when Leonardo DiCaprio finally won the Oscar in 2016 (for The Revenant). low-context, probably not valid even if it had enough
  • Horror punk innovators The Misfits have a long, long history of disagreements between original members Glenn Danzig and Jerry Only, including multiple lawsuits, and it was assumed that they'd never reunite again. Jump to May 2016 when it is announced that Danzig, Only, and original member Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein will reunite for the first time in 33 years in September. no reference to other half of the trope
  • Susan Lucci was, for a time, the Distaff Counterpart to Leonardo DiCaprio. She was nominated for the Emmy 18 times for her role on All My Children without winning. Many made flying pig jokes when she did win her Emmy on nomination #19. "jokes were made" isn't the trope
  • The 2016 World Series ultimately came down to a Chew Toy showdown: Cleveland Indians (last final: 1997; last title: 1948) and Chicago Cubs (last final: 1945; last title: 1908). While the mayor of Hell said the town only gets really cold by November, jokes calling it the "Hell Freezes Over series" soon emerged. In the end, the world's longest championship drought was finally over as the Cubs won in extra innings on Game 7. lots of these are just about jokes being made about things that were seen as unlikely
  • On December 2 1976, London Heathrow Airport was closed by a flying pig (see the Music folder above). irrelevant, references another entry
  • The Philadelphia Eagles finally won the Super Bowl in 2018 (last NFL championship 1960, seven years prior to the first Super Bowl). Against the New England Patriots. Appropriate headlines were made. "jokes were made"
  • Director Werner Herzog said that he would eat his shoe if Errol Morris finished his documentary "Gates Of Heaven". Morris did, so he did. It's immortalized in the documentary Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe. valid
  • On this very wiki's page for Duke Nukem Forever, it mentioned this trope saying, "When Duke Nukem Forever comes out". Turns out it actually happened. valid
  • Super Smash Bros. examples:
    • This trope was also quoted more than a few times, including on this very wiki, when Ridley was announced as a playable character in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (as seen in the Quotes page for this trope). Previous installments had not featured him as playable in part because the developers presumably couldn't get him to work properly as a fighter due to his greater size relative to most of the other fighters. When he did finally become playable, celebrations broke out. Similar claims have also been made regarding other unlikely candidates being announced in Smash Bros. since then, including King K. Rool (who hadn't been seen in a video game since 2008 and Banjo and Kazooie (who had been absent for nine years since their appearance in a game at all following the Xbox 360 version of Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing, and hadn't shown up on a Nintendo console since the 2005 Game Boy Advance game Banjo Pilot, the last Banjo-Kazooie game on a Nintendo console). "jokes were made", way too rambly even if it was valid
    • An interesting variant happened with this guy, who said that if Sora was not the final DLC fighter, he would take a bite out of his Kingdom Hearts disc. Then Sora was actually revealed, as the final DLC fighter. the... likely outcome happened? this isn't this trope
    • Prior to any of those examples, Cloud Strife's reveal for 3DS/Wii U solicited this reaction due to his limited appearances on Nintendo consoles, and that his home game hadn't been on a Nintendo console at that point (which eventually happened on the Nintendo Switch). solicited what reaction? also, "jokes were made"
  • Incidentally, the first airborne living cargo might have been a pig. John Moore-Barbazon, 1st Baron Brabazon of Tara brought one when using an airplane in 1909. irrelevant wordplay
  • This was the reaction of a lot of computer users given Microsoft's openness to Linux in the late '10s, hosting Linux servers on its Azure cloud computing service and releasing its Windows Subsystem for Linux. It happened again with Richard Stallman giving a talk at Microsoft headquarters in 2019. "jokes were made"
  • In a literal sense, the city of Cincinnati in Ohio hosts an annual marathon called Flying Pig. So, on a day early in May every year over there, someone Cues the Flying Pig! irrelevant wordplay
  • In October 2019 Denise Kirby, a DUI lawyer from Kansas City, was told that a case she was scheduled to defend was set for February 3, 2020, and she asked to reschedule that trial because she said that she would be in Miami on that date to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play in the Super Bowl. The courtroom laughed, as the NFL season wasn't even halfway done and the Chiefs, while looking promising with a young athletic quarterback in Patrick Malhomes, hadn't been to a Super Bowl in fifty years; nonetheless, the judge said that if they did make it she would be granted continuance. Lo and behold, the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl after beating the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Championship Game on January 19, Kirby filed the pleading for the continuance, and it was granted. Presumably she spent February 3 partying all night after the Chiefs defeated the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl. maybe valid, needs a trim

Lalapolpolpol The Existentialist Idealist from Everywhere at the End of Time Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Existentialist Idealist
#13588: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:37:02 AM

So i saw this change within one of the topics of the real life section of the Human Subspecies page around 2020:

"The pseudoscience of racialism is founded on the idea that the various ethnicities of the world are genetically distinct human subspecies (which isn't actually true; modern humans are a pretty genetically uniform creature, and scientists can't even tell an African skeleton apart from a European or Asian skeleton at all). While racism, the belief that one or more of these groups are "superior" or "inferior" to one or more others in some vague, undefined way is a separate idea, the two groups do overlap much more frequently than either would have you believe"

The "Scientists can't even tell skeletons apart" tidbit got changed into this:

"Physical differences are limited to such things as relative bone density."

This change made me kinda uncomfortable and felt like "moderated" racialist rethoric. I have reversed it but i wanted to confirm whether this reversal is appropriate or not.

We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#13589: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:40:09 AM

[up]cut it as a general example, actually.

that whole section needs the cleanup treatment, i don't know if any of those examples are valid.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13590: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:51:44 AM

[up][up]If I recall correctly, scientists have roundly rejected the idea that homo sapiens have any sub-species (as defined in biology). So I question the need to have that entry at all (without even getting into the ROCEJ factor). In fact, none of the examples actually fit, they mostly just prattle on with outdated theories.

I'm wondering if a crowner wouldn't be warranted in this case, under Too Controversial.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13591: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:53:41 AM

[up] Maybe we could make a brief note of the current scientific consensus in the trope description (if it's not already there).

Edited by badtothebaritone on Dec 23rd 2022 at 11:54:00 AM

NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#13592: Dec 23rd 2022 at 9:55:28 AM

Re: Trademark Favorite Food, do y'all think that the Animals and Nations/Regions sections could be moved to analysis pages for Stock Animal Diet and Hollywood Cuisine? They're pretty detailed lists of stereotypes, which are valid as tropes, but not as IRL example since they're not actually real things, and seem like a worthwhile extension on said tropes with more information than exists on their pages. They would need substantial natter cleanup, though, mostly the veterinary natter on the Animals section.

People - In General's subcultural examples still feel to me like they're documenting a trope that doesn't yet exist for stereotypical subcultural foods. I'm trying to decide if it'd be better to TLP that as falling under the missing Food Stereotype supertrope that would cover Age-Stereotypical Food, Hollywood Cuisine, Stock Animal Diet, etc. or if subcultural examples alone are big enough to warrant their own "Stereotypical Subcultural Food" trope and then all of the food stereotype tropes get their own index + examples that didn't fit anywhere else.

Edited by NonexistentYeets on Dec 23rd 2022 at 12:56:10 PM

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13593: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:02:20 AM

It appears that Offing the Offspring was added once again. Yes, there is consensus this time, but we also would like for it to be announced, not to mention, advertised over on ATT once it is.

This is to make sure it gets the most exposure and votes, and not just a small echo chamber in here ...

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#13594: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:10:20 AM

~Not Gonna Do A Lot 4 Make sure you announce when you add a trope to the crowner (after discussion was had on it) for transparency sake.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#13595: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:11:51 AM

[up][up][up] Down for that. That would curb dupe examples, and it feels eeeehhh to equate stereotypes with this trope about individual characters. Also, if you're willing, you can give TLP-ing the supertrope a shot.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13596: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:12:17 AM

Do we have an idea for what to do with Trademark Favorite Food? I'm good for a crowner since that entire page goes all over the place, but now there's talk of moving sections?

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NotGonnaDoALot4 Man in the Yellow Hat from God knows. Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Man in the Yellow Hat
#13597: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:12:23 AM

OP here. Considering that I was advised to make an announcement, I hereby announce that I added Offing the Offspring to the crowner. Unfortunately, I noticed that considering I'm currently suspended, I cannot advertise it on Ask the Tropers, and to ask someone to do so in my stead would most likely be in violation of wiki policy.

Apologies for any inconvenience.

There's so much I wish I could take back.
Lalapolpolpol The Existentialist Idealist from Everywhere at the End of Time Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Existentialist Idealist
#13598: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:13:01 AM

[up](6x) and [up](7x) Reading over the other examples they seem to be mostly speculation on this like Neanderthals and other homo sapiens ancestors. I guess it's a bit of a stretch but most of them seem to be fine. Regarding the example i had changed in itself, Forensic anthropology does allow one to be able to know the origin of a human cranium but it has nothing to do with ethinicty or any pseudoscientific concept of "race". (Even if in the past it was used to classify human beings into the now-outdated "Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid" concept)

We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth.
NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#13599: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:13:46 AM

I support crownering Trademark Favorite Food as Narrative and Too Common. The lists of food stereotypes are different things and the Food Stereotype index/Stock Subcultural Food trope can be TL Ped separately.

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#13600: Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:17:39 AM

Here's the TLP for the Food Stereotype supertrope/index. I'm not sure if there are enough examples of the subcultural ones for it to be its own trope; the main thing I can think of is Kingdom Of Loathing's hippies and Foodie Giant.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=ticlkn09ln0j3xwt86khcupp

Edited by NonexistentYeets on Dec 23rd 2022 at 1:17:49 PM

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.

18th Feb '24 11:27:30 PM

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