Trope Pantheons Discussion

Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

Rules

Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:

When writing a profile, take note of the following:
- Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
- No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
  - You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
- When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
- You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
  - For new and reworked deities, 3 means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
  - For new and reworked deities, 4 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 5 is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
  - Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
- For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
  - For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 is a 3 day waiting period.
  - 4 is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
- Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
- The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
- Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
- Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
- Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
- Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
  - On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
- Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
- Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
- To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
- Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

Instructions and Tips

Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

Preparing to write:
- First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
- If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
- Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
  - In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
- If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
- All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
- The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
- A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
- If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
- For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
- For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
- Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
Pantheon Content:
- Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
  - As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
- Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
- For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
For Profile Standards:
- Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
- Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
  - Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
  - On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
- Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
  - Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
- Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
  - A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
  - Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

Divine Ranking System

Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

Templates

Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
For Pokémon deities only:
- Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
- Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
- Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
- Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
- Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
- Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
- Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
- Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
- Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
- Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
- Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
- Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
- Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
- The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
- The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
Domains: Things that the place has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
Domains: Things that the item has links to.
Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
And some more trivia/facts.
And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Google "big ears"

#83576: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:25:25 AM

Woman In Black is getting cut. What do we do with Kuroka then?

edited 28th Nov '16 9:32:23 AM by fasoman1996

Uni cat

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013

#83577: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:27:02 AM

Oh for fuck's sake....

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Google "big ears"

#83578: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:29:26 AM

If you people want a quick fix, there is Kimono Fanservice. Take a look at her.

If you want a rework, i can do it. But i don't think she needs one

edited 28th Nov '16 9:29:53 AM by fasoman1996

Uni cat

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013

#83579: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:39:54 AM

Quick fix to Kimono Fanservice works.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

Shocking Gun!

#83580: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:51:13 AM

Posting few profiles. You know, when I will work on Vikavolt, I want to do a gag with it, but I have no good idea for a magnetized/electrified area.

Renka, Goddess of Thunder Drums

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Potential House: Music
Lesser Goddess
Symbol: Mitsudomoe symbol on a drum with her bachis crossed over
Theme Music: Those Who Serve Kagura
Alignment: Neutral Good
Portfolio: Fighting With Taiko Drums and Bachis, Tomboyish Drummer, Electric Drums, Idiot Hair Odango Hair Combo, Bare Your Midriff, Tension-Cutting Laughter, Blood Knight, Shinobi
Domains: Drums, Lightning, Shinobi
Allies: Hitoshi Hidaka, Ritsu Tainaka, Thor, Cole MacGrath, Ampharos, Fate Testarossa
Enemies: Enel
Odd Friendship: Eren Jeager, Miranda Campbell
The eldest daughter of the three current Mikagura siblings, Renka is an energetic girl who pours her energy on beating her enemies senseless with her two drumsticks. Or beating on her taiko drums. Or beating on her taiko drums to beat up on her enemies. While shooting lighting.
Her ascension was partly approved by Liam and Matt, both of who think she is rather cool. There are many mortals who are pleasantly remind of Kamen Rider Hibiki due of her fighting style.
She has a tendency to pop into a middle of commotion to do her own stuff. However, she is also really good at breaking up tension between two parties.
Iona was sort of disappointed hearing her, thinking that Iori Watanuki had ascended.
Besides her optimistic attitude, there is one thing what will bum her out: someone not giving their all during a fight. That, cute and frilly things. She hates that kind of stuff.
Renka gets along with other deities who fight using lightning such as Thor, Cole MacGrath, Ampharos and Fate Testarossa.
- However, Renka hates Enel due to him having lightning abilities combined with his association with taiko drums and his sociopathic nature.
When Renka heard about what happened to Eren Jeager and Miranda Campbell while they were mortal, Renka suddenly broke down in tears as she was reminded of the fate of a friend from Renka's childhood.
As she likes everyone to have an optimistic attitude, she tries to go around and helping people the best of her abilities. The problem is, the way she thinks she can help people is generally really poor.
Besides popular humours, she is not buddies with Shantae. The whole belly dance thing people talk about is only for her sister Hanabi, and only to draw her attention from overthinking to prevent her from exploding.
She has a weird obsession on trying to suggest everyone to take their clothes off, regardless of the situation. Only she gets anywhere on that, but is stopped before she can strip naked.

Lilligant, Goddess of Floral Hair Decs (Flowering Pokémon)

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Lesser Goddess
Symbol: The big flower on her head
Alignment: True Neutral
Gender: Female
Ability: Own Tempo
Moves: Quiver Dance, Petal Dance, Sleep Powder, Giga Drain
Portfolio: Having a Giant Flower On Her Head, Plant Person, Grass-Related Powers And That's Basically It And That's All She Needs, Dance Battler, Glass Cannon, Always Female, Southern Belle
Domains: Flowers, Accessories, Plants, Grass
Allies: Yuuka Kazami, Kurama, Aki Izayoi, Tsubomi Hanasaki, Suiseiseki, Yumi, Yurika Kirishima, Hata no Kokoro, Shantae, Cosmo the Seedrian, Haruka Haruno
- Partner: Durathror
Lilligant is a humanoid-looking Pokémon with an appearance of that of a ballroom dancer. Oh yeah, and a gigantic flower growing in her head what looks like an really impressive hat. Still, not many people can claim having an actual flower growing in their "hair".
The flower on Lilligant's head emits a really smoothing aroma. However, it is a really hard flower to properly maintain, and even some of the more knowledgeable deities in the Pantheon have hard time to make it bloom. Yuuka is one of few ones who hasn't had hard time with it.
No one is sure why Lilligant chose Durathror, of all people, as her partner. Not even Durathror knows it. The best what people can guess is that she can sense the good side of her. It does make them a nice Light Feminine and Dark Feminine duo, though.
- Additionally, they are surprised that she didn't pick someone like Haruka, a "princess" with fascination with flowers, to be partner. It's not like they aren't friends because of that, but still.
Lilligant are known for being able to know plentiful of different dancing moves. Unfortunately, the type variety with them is rather sallow. However, when played right, Lilligant can be a force to be reckoned with thanks to being able to learn Quiver Dance and use Petal Dance without negative effects.
She seems to get along with Suiseiseki, surprisingly enough, due of their general appearance and due of both of them having plant powers. Though Suiseiseki does feel like Lilligant is pampering her or something like that.
She gets along with other graceful Dance Battlers like Yumi, Kokoro and Yurika. And yes, the irony of a Grass-type Pokémon getting along with an ice user has not escaped them.
They say that if a Lilligant finds a mate, her flower in her head will darken, droop and wither away. Uhh, yeah.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:52:18 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

RokuAlhazared The Emperor Of Darkness Since: Jul, 2015

The Emperor Of Darkness

#83581: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:02:47 AM

More on Sun Tzu.

Sun Tzu, Chinese God of Military Treatises and Divone Patron of Using Deception As A Weapon (Sun Wu - birth name, Suntzi, Changqing)

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Potential Houses: Tactics and Strategies, Values and Ethics
Intermediate God
Symbol: His Book, The Art Of War
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Portfolio: A Father to His Men, The Ace, Aggressive Negotiations, Attack Its Weak Point, Captain Obvious, Combat Pragmatist, The Chessmaster/The Strategist, Deadpan Snarker, Geo Effects, Guile Hero, The Spymaster, Winning Without Fighting
Domains: Philisophy, Military Tactics, Spring and Autumn Period of Chinese History, Warring States Period
High Priests: Takeda Shingen and Mochizuki Chiyome
Allies: Cao Cao, Shikamaru Nara, Maximus Meridius Decimus
Rivals: Nobunaga Oda
Opposes: All swamp-based deities and foolhardy generals.
Worthy Opponents: Julius Caesar, Niccolo Machiavelli
Enemies: Count Dracula, Zapp Brannigan
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious.
When one mentions The Art Of War, one name comes to mind. One that commands respect from good and bad alike: Sun Tzu, philosopher, general, strategist, and all-around badass. And he has taken his rightful place in the Pantheon.
Sun Tzu is tight-lipped about his childhood, but what is known is that his military skills had drawn the attention of the ruler of Wu, King Helü, who hired him as his general following a demonstration of his leadership skills. That demonstration involved training the King's harem in military drills.
- Sun Tzu himself had verified that the legend was true, and it serves as a prime example of what Sun Tzu can do. He split Helü's harem into two divisions and made Helü's two favorite concubines the company commanders. When they disobeyed his orders, he told Helü that if the order is given, but not obeyed, it's the soldier's fault. When the harem failed again to follow Sun Tzu's orders, he said that if the orders were clear and the soldier disobeys, then it's their commander's fault. Sun Tzu then executed the two senior members of the harem and appointed two more concubines as commanders. Needless to say, the harem followed Sun Tzu's orders flawlessly, and while Helü was upset over the loss of his concubines, he hired Sun Tzu as his general.

The One Who Crosses The Sky In Flames

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#83582: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:15:01 AM

I mention merging Kuroneko and Her sister for Nekomata months ago.

Since I'm almost finish with Pokemon Sun ^note, how long do I have to wait for pokemon and human suggestions?

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

Shocking Gun!

#83583: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:26:58 AM

I sort of had my take on when it is fine to work on them. As for suggesting them, dunno, I guess it is fine around now. Though take note of what trope you want to suggest and how spoiler-y it is.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#83584: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:34:16 AM

Ok. Well, one suggestion I won't talk about since it's a spoiler. But can i work on Mimikyu?

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

Shocking Gun!

#83585: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:45:24 AM

Possibly? Though I do admit, the anime really changed my view on Mimikyu ^note

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015

#83586: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:16:34 AM

@Roku Alhazared: I was interested in Sun Tzu for awhile, and was thinking of putting him on the Triumvirate of War for his long, real-life historical influence, but if you thinks he's better in the sub-houes.

Lengthen it and add some links to the rest of the Pantheon and he's got my vote.

Drope Since: Oct, 2012

#83587: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:00:13 PM

@Sun Tzu: The Soldier worships him as a Memetic Badass.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:02:41 PM by Drope

RokuAlhazared The Emperor Of Darkness Since: Jul, 2015

The Emperor Of Darkness

#83588: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:00:48 PM

Got him as Sun Tzu's High Priest.

Question: due to Sun Tzu's legacy and influence, would it be feasible for him to join Kratos, Apocalypse and Alexander the Great, changing the Triumvirate to the Four Kings of War with the rank of Greater God? Quadrumvirate of War doesn't sound as awesome.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:10:02 PM by RokuAlhazared

The One Who Crosses The Sky In Flames

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Shocking Gun!

#83589: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:16:53 PM

By the way, speaking of SM, can I just say here that there is one character I don't want to ascend because like 90% of tropes in regards to them might not really work with them due of reasons and how everything ended.

Also, still no ideas for Forrest.

Forrest, God of Effeminate Males (Fashion Forward, Foleo)

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Lesser God (Intermediate God with Brynhildr)
Symbol: His hat
Theme Music: A Lady's Mirror
Alignment: Neutral Good
Portfolio: Effeminate Male, The Fashionista, Looks A Lot Like a Woman, Ojou Ringlets, White Mage, Camp Straight, Reluctant Warrior, Wholesome Crossdresser
Domains: Fashion, Style, Mages
Allies: Leo (his father), Auntie Elise, Xander, Camilla, Corrin, Soleil, Hoshidan Royal Siblings, Owain, Tharja(?), Kanji Tatsumi, Bridget, Rarity, Erika Kurumi, Astolfo, Gasper Vladi
Enemies: Grima
Ever since he was young, Forrest, the son of Leo, was always interested in fashion. And after Leo said that he looked cute in one of Elise's clothing, Forrest found a calling in making his own clothing. And due of living in Deeprealm during his youth with only few other boys around, he really didn't mind wearing feminine clothing.
As a tailor, he has made some friends with other tailors like Kanji, Erika and Rarity. Though all of them agree that he looks way too good wearing women's clothing than actual women.
- He also says that he has really excellent eye for sizing outfits by simply looking at people. Which at sometimes makes people wonder if he spies on people, though he claims otherwise, unsurprisingly.
Avoids House of Slaughter due of his fear of blood. The did once visit the place just to talk to Sanson, as he doesn't really get why an executioner would wear such fancy outfits in his line of work if he knew he would bloody his clothes. He actually put some consideration when it came to it.
Some deities wonder what is the relation between him and Soleil due of an idea that he is one of only people Soleil can legitimately get together with. Neither of them have really given any comments on the matter, though Soleil does openly say that he has great hair.
He does encourage other people to really act and dress as they want, no matter how "feminine" it might be. At the same time, he appreciates that there are people with similar sense of dressing, due of his own doubts in the past due of how some other people have acted against him.
Even though he does not want to fight, and much prefers to help people, he will put his best if he is put into the shove. For example, in a timeline where his and the other children's parents were killed and Kana was getting a Heroic BSoD due of their situation, he was the one to smack some sense into him with his father's Brynhildr and give everyone Kirk Summation. And he is perfectly capable of using Brynhildr if he needs to, to boot.
If you're questioning your sexuality when it comes to Forrest, don't worry, no one is going to question your opinion on that. It isn't quite in the levels of "Everyone's Gay for Bridget", but it's getting there.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:25:28 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

JD2K Since: Oct, 2011

#83590: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:06:41 PM

Greetings. Finally found some time to work on my first draft for Olimar. Any suggestions and/or flavor texts are greatly appreciated. No thumbs yet, please.

Captain Olimar, He Who Needs to Repair His Way to Freedom (Veteran Astronaut)

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Potential House: Craft
Theme Song: Main Theme (Pikmin) or World Map (Pikmin 2)
Demigod
Symbol: His spaceship, The S.S. Dolphin (or what's left of it)
Alignment: Neutral Good
Portfolio: Tiny People, Unofficial Pikmin Leader, Happily Married / Action Dad,
Domains: Tiny Folk, Leaders, Explorers
Allies: The Pikmin, Shinmyoumaru Sukuna, Hank Pym, Odysseus, All good deities from Master Hand's tournaments
Enemies: Durant, Tabuu, Bowser, Ganondorf, Wario. Murkrow, The Scorpion & the Tarantula
Heralds: Louie (much to his dismay), the Koppai trio (Alph, Brittany, Capt. Charlie)
A native of Planet Hocotate, Captain Olimar is a veteran of forays into Planet PNF-404, where he first met the Pikmin. After repairing and then losing his ship to the All Devouring Black Hole Loan Sharks, he ventured a third time to obtain enough treasure to get back his ship. After being rescued by a team from Koppai and finally regaining ownership of the S.S. Dolphin, he took it on a test cruise. However, disaster again struck when the Dolphin was assailed by a meteor shower and took a massive hit. The Dolphin somehow managed to breach the Gates where it broke up into pieces, scattering all its parts throughout the Pantheon. As luck would have it, Olimar himself ended up in the Hall of Plants where he joyfully met up with the Pikmin again. Once again, Captain Olimar sets off on a quest to bring the pieces of his ship and return home.
- Or so he thought as unlike PNF-404, there were plenty of helpful individuals (bigger than him of course) who set out and brought all the pieces they could find and soon the Dolphin was once again reassembled. However, Olimar was shocked to see that certain special items (specifically the Warp Drive Key which is needed for his jump to warp speed, the Libra & Sagittarius jewels being mementoes of his children and, of course, his Secret Safe with a hefty amount of Pokos inside) were not found. Many gods tried to find these special items for him but failed. Thus, Olimar himself alongside the Pikmin set out to find those parts and gather any interesting "treasures" along the way.
Even though his "temple" is in the House of Craft, he hardly stays there as it has a default oxygen atmosphere (which is toxic to him) so he travels around the Pantheon on the Dolphin (as it is able to run on its own power at least) to search for the missing parts alongside a handy Pikmin Onion which follows him.
Many wonder why he was able to grow in size during Master Hand's tourneys when he's a really tiny humanoid by nature, even pointing out the time when he and the Pikmin were first met fighting a R.O.B. unit during the Subspace Emissary saga, and only once joining the heroes, he and the Pikmin were magically enlarged. Some simply chalk it up to the influence of Master Hand itself.
- Unfortunately for Olimar, he remains small within the Pantheon so he relies on the Dolphin to travel from House to House. Aside from being able to run on its own power, several gods have graciously installed offensive capabilities and a shield generator on the Dolphin so it would not be an object of target practice for less friendlier deities.
Being tiny, he has allied with fellow Inchling, Shinmyoumaru Sukuna. She suggested using her Miracle Mallet to make his missing parts appear, but Olimar stopped short after hearing about the Mallet's Jerkass Genie tendencies. Still, Olimar enjoys her company as he usually has only the Pikmin and his own thoughts as company most of the time. Although he wishes his wife wouldn't be so jealous when he told his family about her on the communicator.
- Hank Pym tried to persuade him into using Pym Particles so he can be normal-sized, but Olimar shot down the idea. For one thing, the Pikmin felt uneasy around him (as Hank's Pokemon partners are the Durant). For another, he knew about the Particles' side effects and wouldn't want to bother with it.
As said before, the Pikmin have nothing but Undying Loyalty towards him. Olimar, additionally, is able to truly lead them around the Pantheon and has the advantage of using Ultra Sprays to power-up Pikmin beyond their Flower stage. Some has frowned on Olimar treating Pikmin as slaves but are unable to sway the Pikmin away from him as they're apparently happy being with him as their "leader".
- Mentioning similarities with Olimar being the Pikmin leader with Apokalips being subservient to Darkseid is a good way to put the Hocotatian in a bad mood.
Shares similarities with Odysseus as they are both family men who just want to get home. Olimar does envy the Ithacan king a bit since he has his wife Penelope in the Pantheon, whereas his is still waiting on Planet Hocotate.
For some strange reason, Earth junk and random objects are considered valuable to Planet Hocotate and Olimar spends time (when he isn't searching for the missing parts) finding any salvage he can and sending it home via a special freight service. When asked why he doesn't hitch a ride home with the freight, Olimar restates that he's not leaving without the Dolphin fully completed.
- Olimar's scavenging has given him many encounters with the Murkrow as the corvid thieves like to steal the things he and the Pikmin find for themselves. The Pikmin and Olimar are able to stand their ground and succeed in some of the skirmishes until the Alpha Murkrow is called, whereas they must then beat a hasty retreat. Little does Olimar and anyone else know that the missing Dolphin parts are all hidden deep inside the Murkrow's dead tree base of operations in the House of Crime.

edited 28th Nov '16 1:06:54 PM by JD2K

JRads47 Me Listening to You RN from Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center Since: Dec, 2014

Me Listening to You RN

#83591: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:13:02 PM

I'm fine with that. Also Eisidisi knows him.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

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#83592: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:35:48 PM

Who are you precisely talking to?

Unrelated note, should we change Mashiro Moritaka and Akito Takagi trope to Sequential Artist? Since that is basically what their title is?

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Google "big ears"

#83593: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:40:49 PM

Wow, never noticed that title. Sure change that

Uni cat

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#83594: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:22:47 PM

@ TPPR 10: Haven't seen that in ages. Come to think of it, a lot of the people in charge of those sandboxes haven't been seen in a while here either

@ Omega Radiance: Well it is your own profile, so I don't see any problem with that. BTW, pretty sure the Lucifer that's half of him is a different one from the Lucifer we're familiar with

@ Fasoman 1996: What's with the editor's apparent hatred of the House of Personal Appearance?

@ Whirl RX: Personally I'm waiting a month before I actually work on them

Is Michael Morningstar ready to ascend? Also, what else should I add to the Omni-King?

Michael Morningstar, God of Psuedo-Vampires (Darkstar, Mike, Dante)

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Darkstar now

^{Click here} for how he used to look

Votes: 1(nightelf37)
House: Vampires (House of Otherness)
Intermediate God
Symbol: His mask
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Portfolio: Actually Not a Vampire, The Sociopath, Consistently Treacherous, Evil Teens, Jerkass, Manipulative Bastard, Gwen's Evil Mirror, Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, Dark Is Evil And Originally So Was Light, Disfigured By His Victims, Faux Affably Evil
Domains: Mutants, Plumbers(betrayed), Life Draining, "Vampires"
Followers: Arystar Krory, Vetinari, Rosanna
Vocal Avatar: Will Wheaton
Allies: Prince Hans, Dio Brando, Mira Fallegeros
Teeth-Clenched Teamwork with: Albedo
Enemies: Ben and Gwen Tennyson, Kevin Levin, Charmcaster, Rachel Roth, Garfield Logan, most women in the House of Magic
Opposed by: Most females of the pantheon, really
Fears: Tirek
Avoids: Zs'Skayr and the Houses of Ghosts and Undead
Michael Morningstar is the son of a wealthy family, with a menagerie of Plumbers technology. At first seeming kind and mild-mannered, he showed himself to a be manipulative sociopath who had turned schoolgirls to zombies and wanted to feed on Gwen Tennyson's mana. He would end up disfigured and donning the title of "Darkstar", seeking revenge against Ben and Gwen. Now he's entered the Trope Pantheon, in hopes of finally settling the score.
Sharing a common enemy, he has teamed up with Albedo. Admittedly the too don't get along, with the latter seeing him as a sleaze, but a Villain Team-Up between the two Ben 10 villains is a lot easier than with Zs'Skayr.
Darkstar may not be a true vampire, but he's close enough to seem like one. He has the power to drain life force, lives in a gothic mansion and has a thrall of women he's sucked the life out of. Most of the rest of his house is either neutral on him or sees him as a creep, though he and Mira are fine feeding with each as they specialize in draining life.
His powers require some form of mana, so he can't do anything against Zs'Skayr or any Ectonurites. He's found that ghosts and the undead in general seem to be unaffected as well, since not truly being alive means there's nothing to drain.
Gets along with Dio Brando, as they're both pretty boy^noteinitially with Michael life-suckers with ice for blood and narcissistic ambitions.
Initially had a Bishōnen appearance, however when his victims retaliated they disfigured him into a hideous, undead-like being. He wears a helmet in order to hide the fact his face is as twisted as his soul. You can usually find him in the House of Personal Appearance, trying but always failing at permanently restoring his body to its original form.
Rather misogynistic and condescending to women, whom happen to be his favorite prey; he can usually be seen with a bunch of zombified schoolgirls. He used his good looks and charm to manipulate women to get what he wants, something Prince Hans can get behind(though states he could be a little smarter about it).
Sucking the life of ordinary people may help him, but it only sustains him temporarily. He's desperate for more a powerful life-source, that being magic users. As such, he prowls the House of Magic to suck the life out of other gods, specifically the women there. He keeps his distance far from Tirek's who's Mana Drain would be even more deadly on him than normal magic users.
As Darkstar, his energy blasts and powers are similar to Raven. He's interested in sucking her dry, and the two are at odds. Of course, it's just as possible that if he were to try and suck her dry would backfire terribly. He doesn't like Beast Boy much, due to his abilities reminding him of Ben 10.
Is voiced by Will Wheaton, however neither cares about the other and Will thinks he's a jerk.
Despite the name, there is no known relationship to any devil in the pantheon. None of them care much about him.

Zen'o, God of Little Guys In Charge (The Omni-King, King Of Everything, Zen-Chan)

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House: Leadership
Overdeity
Symbol: The kanji on his clothes
Alignment: True Neutral
Portfolio: Top God, Mister Big, Master Of The Multiverse, Pretty Much All-Powerful But Sits On The Sidelines, The Dreaded, Can Destroy Universes In An Instant, King of All Cosmos, God-Emperor, Wants Companionship, Prefers Casual Interactions, Immortal Immaturity, Pint-Sized Powerhouse, Will Wipe Out A Multiverse To Save All Existence, Destructive Saviour, My Future Self and Me
Domains: The Divine, Power, Leadership, The Multiverse
High Priest: Mister Big
Followers: Mister Mind, Texas Jack, Salazar
Allies: The Living Tribunal, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ra
- Sub-ordinates: Beerus, Whis
Friends: Goku, Tyrion Lannister, Prismo, Jake the Dog, Future Zen'o
Enemies: None; no-one is that stupid. Even those on his level don't have any beef with him, though he is mindful of the GUAD and Thanos
Dislikes: Sycophants in general, Darkseid, YHVH, Chakravartin and Sinestro
Pities: Future Trunks
The Dragonball multiverse full of powerful beings, however one makes even juggernauts like Beerus pale in comparison; the Top God of the entire system, Zen'o. King of Everything, he is the sole being the Gods of Destruction fears. You'd never tell by looking at him though; he's a child-sized King of All Cosmos who's more concerned with playing and having friends than being a direct ruler. And now he's learned his friend Goku is part of the Pantheon, he wanted in.
One of the most powerful gods in the pantheon, whom even some overdeities fear. However it makes him feel lonely, and prefers not to show off the true extent of his power unless absolutely necessary. He's not interested in any of the Grand United Alliances, and is instead content to be a bystander. Looks down on the likes of those who rule by fear, such as Sinestro.
Whis has said he once destroyed six whole universes "when his mood was spoiled". It's unclear how he regards this event, but it's one of the main reasons why people are afraid of him. The GUAD is fascinated by this potential, and are considering whether to try and trigger him. This'll probably end badly. His counterpart in Future Trunks' timeline was forced to eliminate the entire multiverse in one fell swoop.
He gets along with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, due to not taking being a god that seriously and generally being a fun guy. Also works with Ra, a fellow Top God.
Keeps his eye out for Thanos. He doesn't feel threatened by him since his multiversal power exceeds that of the universe-affected Infinity Gauntlet, but knows how skilled he is at gaining godly power. It's a spanner in the works he's best keeping track of.
For all his power, his deepest desire of having friends alludes him; it's hard to keep potential friends from being afraid of you when you're essentially The Omnipotent. Goku got his counterpart as a friend because he's the only being who's on the same level as him. Often found in the House of Friendship, which respects his desire for companionship despite his power.
Seems to respect Tyrion Lannister; despite being looked down upon for his dwarfism, he's proven an excellent advisor and politician. The two met for some drinks, related to each other's personal issues, and promised to meet each other for drinks later on.
Speculated that his ascension was on the request of Bulma, who wanted to make sure Beerus behaved. Many a god find it cathartic when Beerus the Destroyer freaks out over him. However Zen'o thinks he's good at his job, and is unlikely to fire him any time soon.
Often visits Prismo's Time Room, as it's a place where cosmic beings come to relax. The two have managed to get along, being cosmic nice guys. Jake the Dog managed to make friends with him as he did Prismo.
While not actively heroic, the Omni-King tries to come off as a benevolent God and mostly succeeds. While interfering with them is none of his business, he has express distaste for maltheistic deities like YHVH and Chakravartin. YHVH especially, as the Mad God of Order's obsession for adulation and praise is the opposite of Zen'o not wanting special treatment or fear. With Chakravartin, he feels he abuses the Omniscient Morality License.
Currently planning a tournament for all twelve universes, having enjoyed the one Champa and Beerus set up between their universes. He's heard the Trope Pantheon is considering a tournament, and wishes he could've helped planned things. Still, he's fine just being a spectator.
The El ric Brothers can't help but get a little teary-eyed when he speaks, as he reminds them of Nina Tucker. May is simply confused on why they sound alike

If they became friends again? Kind of defeats the idea of the trope, so I have to say no

edited 28th Nov '16 2:27:34 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015

#83595: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:25:00 PM

Question, would We Used to Be Friends still work if the two became friends again?

Also, is it OK to add stuff on Rin Tohsaka's profile that she got possess by Ishtar and add it as a sort of Composite Character?

edited 28th Nov '16 2:25:46 PM by WhirlRX

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

Shocking Gun!

#83596: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:32:47 PM

Yeah, there seems to be just people who come here once or twice and then just leave before finishing stuff up. I wanted to bring Metallia up because I wanted to see if she can ascend, because I am not familiar with her game but it has some heft to it (albeit in the length of text instead of quantity of it). So just as a disclaimer, I myself am not going to work on it, but someone else could possibly hijack the profile.

Ah yes, Ishtar. One of few Stripperriffic Servants who makes sense to wear little clothing (Ishtar is a Mesopotamian goddess of fertility, love, war, sex, and power).

edited 28th Nov '16 2:35:35 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA

Bad Movie Binge Collector

#83597: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:44:20 PM

Yes, the Lucifer in SMTIV is actually different from the mainline Lucifer. For one, he is actually one of ████'s cronies. He also has two different human forms, a schoolgirl named Hikaru, and Flynn's fellow samurai, Walter. All in all, he could actually ascend for either Not as You Know Them, Designated Villain or Strawman Political.

edited 28th Nov '16 2:47:29 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.

RonnieR15 Ronnie from Earth Since: May, 2013

Ronnie

#83598: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:54:47 PM

@ Chris X: Unfortunately I have no new trope for her, but I've been looking.

@ TPPR 10: Don't worry I only removed her from the House of Justice and place her here for now.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!

Shocking Gun!

#83599: Nov 28th 2016 at 2:58:07 PM

You still should have left her be where she was until you have done your changes and such.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015

#83600: Nov 28th 2016 at 3:01:42 PM

@ Gehayadren: Not really. "Lucifake" is half of an existing god. Though that also raises the questions on if the four archangels of IV are different from their other incarnations. For all we know they've always been like that and the androgynous Satan is just half of the true thing

@ TPPR 10: If we're already talking about Sun and Moon, do you think later on I could work on Incineroar for Heel? It's explicitly designed off the concept of a wrestling heel

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