To-do list:
- Rename Elements of Nature to Natural Elements and convert the page from an index into a supertrope for the concept of elements, with information about the elements in Elemental Powers' description (as opposed to text that's specific to powers) being moved to Elements of Nature. The rewrite is being done using Sandbox.Natural Elements.
Elemental Powers is a super trope for powers that are attuned with the elements. I did a wick check as I noticed many cases of illegal subbullets (as in, subbulleting tropes, which is not allowed), and I wondered how bad it was. I also noticed in the check that it was used when a trope for the individual element could have been used instead.
The results:
- Inline/no subbullets, yet valid: 20.83/67 = 31.1%
- Subbullets that abide with policy: 7/67 = 10.4%
- Subbullets that violate policy: 13.17/67 = 19.7%
- Not enough context or other misuse: 19/67 = 28.4%
- Single element: 7/67 = 10.4%
One suggestion is to make it an index, though a rename will help on top of that; otherwise, the misuse/bad subbullets will crop up again.
Elemental Powers wick check:
Wick check for Elemental PowersThe issue: Just like Five-Man Band before, this trope is often followed by subbulleted tropes, which is an example-writing violation. This check serves to see how widespread the problem is.
Checked: 67/67
- It Runs on Nonsensoleum: Fighter survives a freefall by using his Knight abilities to block the ground. Fighter's "explanation" is that since he can block all sorts of elemental attacks, it's natural that he'd be able to block Earth.
- Anime.Samurai Pizza Cats: The Samurai Pizza Cats Rescue Team each represented one of these. Meowzma (Gotton) was earth, General Catton (Rikinoshin) was fire, Bat Cat (Mietoru) was wind, and Spritz T. Cat (Nekkii) was water. Similarly, the three of the four Rude Noise members each represent the elements: Cannonball Battery (Bonkaa) represents fire, Ronnie Geissmuller (Wokkaa) represent water, and Mojo Rojo (Rekkaa) represents wind. The lone exception is Bad Max (Zankaa), who represents the darkness.
- Characters.A Game Of Chance: The Promethians are an ancient magical race known for attaining absolute mastery over fire and lightning-based magics. Not so normal now, huh?
- Characters.A Geeks Guide Corporation Of Occult Research And Extermination: Mainly attacks using magic circles that blast opponents with fire, ice, or lightning.
- Characters.Bloodstained Ritual Of The Night (1/3): Her sub-weapons allow her to use a variety of elemental abilities, such as lightning orbs that cling to the ceiling, and wind funnels that shoot forward and then climb up. She can also fire seeds that sprout from the ground to give health powerups.
- Characters.Encantadia: Four-Element Ensemble: The four of them are the keepers of the Gems of Air, Fire, Water and Earth, and have powers related to their respective element.
- Characters.Fire Emblem Warriors:
- Like Robin, Leo is able to use many spells of different elements, be they fire, thunder, wind, light, or darkness.
- The tome he carries for this game allows him to use more than one element this time around, Thunder, Fire, Wind, Darkness, and Light, and he can even combine them together to form a giant ball in his Pair Up Special. He still favors Thunder Magic, however.
- Linde can use light, wind, ice, lightning, and fire in her attacks.
- In her special attacks, where she tends to use more elements than just light, including fire, thunder, and wind.
- Like every magic user confirmed to use a tome, Validar has access to any element and spell that he could possibly want.
- Characters.Hecksing Ulumate Crconikals: It can shoot fire, electricity, poison, and... water. It later adds explosives after merging itself with Alucard's tank.
- Characters.Maken Ki Protagonists: Kagezuchi (her fire elemental) and Igazuchi (lightning elemental) are the two she most relies on in battle. But, if need be, she can also summon Nozuchi (her earth elemental) who has power over trees, plants, and has the ability to heal her. Himegami is so adept with them that she's rarely ever had to use her Maken.
- Characters.Okami: Each head has its own element: fire, water, wind, earth, lightning, poison, light, and darkness.
- Characters.Pokemon The Series Team Rocket Trio: Among the many Pokémon he has owned, his three most common types are Grass, Poison and Psychic.
- Characters.Ralph Breaks The Internet: During the climax, Moana and Ariel demonstrate some control over water, Pocahontas has some control over wind, and Elsa has her ice powers.
- Characters.Twitch Plays Pokemon Fire Red (1/2): Tri Attack, a mashup of Fire, Ice and Electricity (which results in a Normal attack, somehow).
- GranblueFantasy.Tropes D To H: Characters come in one of six elements, Fire, Wind, Earth, Water, Light and Dark.
- Literature.Iron Widow: The mecha each have specialties based on the five Chinese elements: fire, earth, metal, water, and wood. Wood types are the most conductive of qi and have the highest transformation potential, fire types can channel qi into powerful blasts, etc. Different pilots have different specialties too, with Zetian specializing in metal (control and precision), and Shimin in fire (power and destruction).
- Literature.Roll Over And Die: Most people in this world are born with an affinity for magic of one of the six elements: water, fire, earth, air, light and darkness. Some people, however, are born with rare affinities that grant them different kinds of magic.
- Manga.Omamori Himari: Besides Shizuku, there's also Yuuto and Kuesu, and some (though not all) other demon slayer clans have elemental powers as well.
- Myth.Beti Pahuin Mythology: Nkoum Akok Ndong Bibang of the thorn tribe fought against Engouang Ondo with sunlight, rain, and fire as weapons.
- NoodleIncident.Webcomics: Sleepless Domain: The members of Team Alchemical can all use their respective Elemental Powers to achieve something close enough to flight — with the exception of Alchemical Fire. The alt text at one point notes that she had once tried using her fire abilities as a jetboot, but "never again."
- Recap.Charmed S 1 E 15 Is There A Woogy In The House: (re: Early-Installment Weirdness) The Nexus is revealed to be equidistant from five elements, but they use the five Taoist elements (water, fire, wood, metal and earth). Any time Elemental Powers show up in the series, it's the four classical ones (earth, air, fire and water).
- Roleplay.You Won A Mansion: Each of the masters have a sort of associated element. Nick is Lightning, Crowley's main is Fire, Kiven is Wind, Masters is Chaos, and Jason is Star.
- Series.Eastwick: So far, Kat has electrocuted her husband with a lightning strike and frozen a swimming pool solid. She then also almost kills her ex's date with a gust of wind.
- Characters.Carnival Mirror: Each character with a Persona or Marionette specializes in a particular element. Three distinct examples that are aided by potholes to denote tropes
- JustForFun.Sonic And The Imperial Regalia: Tropes are listed, but they follow the characters being listed. They could use more context, though.
- Manga.Angel Sanctuary
- Manhwa.Witch Hunter: Two distinct examples that do not rely on tropes
- MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic.Tropes E To K: Two distinct examples that do not rely on tropes
- Pokemon.Tropes A To I: 18 of them! Tropes are listed, but they follow the types being listed
- VideoGame.Disciples: All factions tend to focus on 1 or 2 of the following: Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Death, Life, Mind and Weapon (the last is less an Element than it is the absence of an element, it is used for most Unit's melee/archery attacks). The following subbullets do not rely on trope wicks.
- Characters.Astral Disaster
- Characters.Bloodstained Ritual Of The Night: 2 instances (out of 3)
- Characters.Delicious In Dungeon Monsters: Overlaps with Breath Weapon:
- Characters.Dragons Crown: 2 instances (out of 2)
- Characters.The Saints: More so than anyone else.
- Characters.Twitch Plays Pokemon Fire Red: 1 instance (out of 2)
- LetsPlay.Versus: The starter pokemon that were chosen.
- Manga.Zatch Bell: Plenty of variety across the demons shown:
- Manga.Zettai Shoujo Seiiki Amnesian: Commented out
- Roleplay.Personifications
- TabletopGame.Axiom Campaign: King Van'Derrick's sisters.
- VideoGame.Bomberman: Done liberally in The Second Attack!, Generation, and Jetters.
- VideoGame.Eitr: Certain items during the demo had elemental effects.
- Webcomic.Panthera: Duh?
- Body Horror.Webcomics: In Pacificators, this is Nozomi's preferred method of attacks. She uses her powers to do things such as: tearing a man's heart in half, sucking the air out of another man's lungs, and her special favorite, bursting a man's testicles. Does not explain what powers
- Characters.Dragonlance: Commented out ZCE
- Characters.Final Fantasy 1: See All Your Powers Combined. "See X" ZCE
- Characters.Friendship Is Magic Twilight Sparkle: She has several of them thanks to her status as a Red Mage but most of them are non-weaponized spell versions. Does not explain what powers
- Characters.I Left The A Rank Party: As an elementor, she wields element based magic. Does not explain what powers
- Characters.Namco X Capcom: None of them have adequate context.
- Both cover almost the entire spectrum.
- She can use magic on foes too far off for Gil to hit.
- Both cover almost the entire spectrum.
- Characters.Super Smash Bros 456 To 59: The tomes allow them to invoke several elemental magic attacks. Partial context
- ComicBook.Ythaq: Commented out ZCE
- Literature.Please Bully Me Miss Villainess: Elsa is considered a prodigy because she can use all five elements, while the average magic user can only use one. Just "someone uses elements" with no explanation
- Literature.Exhuman: Athan, obviously, but it is hinted that this is fairly common among Exhumans, such as in chapter 13, Blackett pulling up a file on a hydrokinetic or Athan mentioning a dynakinetic in chapter 10. Barely any context
- Literature.The Riddle Master Trilogy: Hereditary in humans and highly developed in the Shape-changers. Magic doesn't seem to be limited to one particular element, but some characters specialize. Barely any context
- Literature.Zodiac Academy: All Fae possess the ability to control at least one element. Partial context
- MorphicResonance.Anime And Manga: Digimon Frontier has Susanoomon, the combined form and Mind Hive of all ten Legendary Warriors. It has Agunimon's blue eyes and red Facial Markings. Chained sinkhole
- Pinball.Flash: Just lists the trope
- Roleplay.Aradis Chronicles: Gaians and Half-Gaians are naturals at this. Commented out
- Roleplay.Crystalwatchers Magical Girl Quest: Very common, and previously believed by the other races to be the basis of all magic, until humanity showed otherwise.Commented out ZCE
- Series.Every Witch Way: Curb-Stomp Battle: Andi trying to take on Mia by herself results in this: Being a Badass Normal does not automatically make you a match for someone who has been training her whole life to master her Elemental Powers. Andi ends up frozen in a block of ice. Context does not say whether there were other elements
- VideoGame.Arcana Heart: In addition to the characters' standard attacks, the Arcana grant additional powers to the Maidens, and can be used interchangeably by anyone.note Partial context
- WesternAnimation.The Mask: Tempest in "Rain of Terror" and "Convention of Evil". ZCE
- Characters.Axe Cop: Fire Slicer can control...well, guess.
- Characters.Frozen Elsa: Cope by Creating: After Elsa escapes Arendelle, she creates a beautiful ice palace both to test her Elemental Powers and to release her pent-up emotions. She is singing "Let It Go" as it forms around her.
- Characters.Kid Icarus The Forces Of Nature: Rock and melted rock
- Literature.The Crocodile God: Insistent Terminology: Haik is adamant on this, implied to be because gods are sensitive to what things mean. He notes that while some sources call him "sea-god" and "god of the sea" as if it's the same thing, he insists that there is only one "god of the sea" as the Anthropomorphic Personification of the Pacific Ocean. He emphasizes that he's a "sea-god," which means he's one of many deities with sea-based Elemental Powers. Likewise, he can't "see the future," but thanks to his and Mirasol's Reincarnation Romance, he "sees patterns."
- NegimaMagisterNegiMagi.Tropes D To F (re: Dark Is Not Evil): Shadow magic is the manipulation of shadows, no relationship to alignment. The three prominent users shown so far have included an antagonist that quickly became the protagonist's best friend, a friendly character mostly known for ending up embarrassedly disrobed and a Punch-Clock Villain bounty hunter who was simply doing his job.
- Recap.Mob Psycho 100 S 3 E 11 Mob 3: (re: MacGuffin) ???% spins up a tornado to deter anyone else from attacking the bouquet.
- Webcomic.Off White: The white spirit snow leopard summoned a snowstorm on a whim.
Elements of Nature wick check:
Wicks Checked - 50- Linked to as an index: 1
- Linked to as a trope to refer to the classical elements: 49
- No mention of Elemental Powers or abilities: 28
- Linked to characters using Elemental Powers or abilities: 16
- ZCE but still being used as a trope to give an example of: 5
Elemental Powersnot mentioned or alluded to
- Ask Twixie Genies - Elemental Embodiment: The djinn look like this in their true forms, embodying the four classical elements.
- Token Aquatic Race - The Dragon Prince has a subspecies of elf and dragon for each of the Primal Sources, one of which is Ocean. The Ocean elves are called Tidebound Elves.
- Shadowchasers Shadowchaser, Dante - Elements of Nature: Dante has six decks, one for each attribute/element in the game of Duel Monsters, plus one more.
- Tokunation Sentai Modranger - Elements of Nature: Each one represents an element:
- Mod Bronze: Water
- Mod Cyan: Wind
- Mod White: Thunder/Lightning/Electricity
- Mod Hunter: Earth
- Mod Yellow: Fire
- Mod Navy: Metal.
- Monica's Gang - Big Bad Ensemble: In "An Adventure in Time", the gang travels to different time periods to retrieve canisters containing essences of the four Elements of Nature, though they soon face opposition in the form of four different villains
- August Derleth: Another very controversial and contested change Derleth promoted to the Cthulhu Mythos was a system where each of the Elder Gods were attached to a classical element.
- Varian, Harmony, and the Seven Kingdoms - Elements of Nature: The Seven Kingdoms each represent a particular element. So far, the elements for three kingdoms, Bayangor, Koto and Neserdnia are confirmed (Fire, Sky/Air, and Water, respectively).
- Kirby: Right Back at Ya! Odyssey of Dreams - Star Scraper: The fifth Dream Stone is found in Skyline Tower, a miles-tall building with rooms based on the Elements of Nature and believed to be the first structure ever built on Popstar.
- Idiosyncratic Episode Naming/Literature - Anne Cleves' Jimmy Perez novels (the inspiration for Shetland). The first four (the "Four Seasons" series) all have a colour in them (Raven Black, White Nights, Red Bones, Blue Lightning), and apart from the first are all "[colour] [noun]". The next four (the "Four Elements" series) are all "[adjective] [Elements of Nature]" (Dead Water, Thin Air, Cold Earth, Wild Fire). (Blue Lightning could be considered an overlap, depending on what element system you're using.)
- Rihannsu - Memetic Mutation: In-Universe example in The Romulan Way. The main Romulan religion of the series present (a form of animism focused on the Four Elements of Nature, Earth, Water, Air, and Fire, crossed with a karma-like concept) began life as a meme on the Vulcan version of the Internet while the Rihannsu were planning their future society. It reached the point where idioms began to derive from it, such as that a particularly stubborn person "had too much Earth in him", and its origin as a joke was gradually forgotten.
- Everybody Edits - Fire [moderator] explanation
- Memes/Literature - Star Trek: The Next Generation Relaunch: The Borg. They EAT. FUCKING. PLUTO.:
- An In-Universe example in The Romulan Way, where the main Romulan religion of the series' present (a form of animism focused on the Four Elements of Nature, mixed with a concept similar to karma) began life as a memetic joke on the Vulcan version of the Internet thousands of years ago while the proto-Romulans were still planning things out. The meme proved so popular that idioms based on it developed among the proto-Romulans, e.g. that a particularly stubborn person "had too much Earth in him", and the fact that it was a joke was gradually forgotten.
- Cellar Darling - Elements of Nature: Well, they do have one song called "Water" and another called "Fire, Wind, and Earth"...
- Music/Mastodon - Elements of Nature: The band's first four albums are meant to correspond with one of them. Remission represents fire; Leviathan (naturally) represents water; Blood Mountain represents earth; Crack the Skye represents aether. Air is the only classical element for which Mastodon has yet to create a corresponding album. The Hunter as a whole was not intended to correspond with an element, but many of the songs represent wood, which is a Chinese classical element; Once More 'Round the Sun does not correspond with the elements theme, as it is said to have a theme of "death".
- Charmed S1E15 Is There A Woogy In The House? - Elements of Nature: Prue and Piper figure out that the Manor is located on a spiritual Nexus by noticing that it is equidistant from five elements: water, fire, wood, metal and earth.
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 S 3 E 8 Vision Quest - Elements of Nature: Each turtle is assigned one by Splinter for purposes of their individual vision quest themes. Leo is Air, Raph is Fire, Don is Mountain, and Mike is Forest. Each one correlates to how they need to improve and perfect themselves.
- Star Trek The Next Generation S 7 E 15 Thine Own Self - Elements of Nature: The Barkonians' natural philosophy believes there are four elements, like the Greek conception, but slightly different: their four elements are rock, water, sky and fire.
- Same Difference Chapter 49 "Enter the Spirit World" - Elements of Nature: Like in the original episode, each one of the Hamatos are assigned a Elemental Motif quest by Yoshi for purposes of their individual vision quest themes. While Leo is the wind, Raph the fire, Donnie the mountain and Mikey the forest, Miwa is told that due to her fears making her too rigid and unyielding, she must learn to be "as fluid and as versatile as the river".
- Guardians of the Galaxy (2015) S 1 E 14 "Don't Stop Believin'" - Elements of Nature: The security traps have glyphes representing Fire, Wind, Earth and Water, and are dealt with by Drax, Gamora, Groot and Rocket respectively.
- Tak and the Guardians of Gross: It was initially supposed to be a direct successor to the first three games, being a much more open-ended 3D platformer, the Big Gs and their respective Juju guardians were going to be more directly based on the classical elements (earth◊, fire◊, air and water◊) instead of gross Bizarro Elements, and Tlaloc was going to make an appearance (at what role is unknown).
- Final Fantasy III - Lost in Translation: Western players are very unlikely to fall for the Red Herring of the Gold Crystal; after all, even though gold is an element, it isn't a classical element. In Japan, however, Gold—or more broadly "Metal"—is one of their classical Elements of Nature, so a player might be excused if they believe one of the elemental crystals was just destroyed. They might also expect there to be a Wood Crystal in the game somewhere.
- This Starry Midnight We Make - Elements of Nature: Fire, wood, earth, metal and water, which are all part of yin and yang.
- Tree of Savior - Elements of Nature: Here, Water, Earth, Wind, and Fire. They are explicitly considered "the simplest forms of all things," and under the purview of the Goddesses.
- Beauty and the War: X Playing Pieces - Theme Naming: The Imugi are named after Elements of Nature.
- Webcomic/Xkcd - Parodic Table of the Elements: Noting that periodic tables become outdated as new elements are discovered, Randall brings us one from half an hour after the Big Bang, which features only the four elements that existed at the time.note
- Frozen II - Elements of Nature: The classical elements (earth, fire, water, air) are associated with the Enchanted Forest and have elemental spirits associated with each one.
- Elemental Shapeshifter: An Elemental Shapeshifter is a Shapeshifting character who can turn into one of the Elements of Nature (typically air, earth, water, and fire, though this might vary according to the work).
- A Kind of One: The same can be said of the planet Earth, which just means "dirt" or "the ground", though this hasn't stopped the perception of Orphaned Etymology situations in fantasy works that use the classical Elements of Nature.
Tied to characters using Elemental Powers or abilities
- Boxing Lessons for Superman - Gate: The world beyond the Gate is still working with Elements of Nature, with mages using them in their magical theory. Lelei studies several Earth books on modern Physics and Chemistry, which makes her magic much more potent.
- Shapeshifter Baggage: In Dungeons & Dragons, the various Voluntary Shapeshifting and Forced Transformation spells and abilities ignore conservation of mass, as demonstrated by 125-ton dragons Humanshifting into standard-size humanoids. Some editions explain this as magic drawing energy and material from the elemental Planes to fuel their effects.
- Jade Armor: Starting in late 2022, Jade Armor (L'armure de Jade in France) is a French superhero show made by TeamTO based on Chinese mythology and legends, featuring a young teenage heroine who uses the powers of the elements of nature to save her town of Ban Tang from the villainous Crimson Lord and his armor's Shards from utter chaos.
- Nabe Universe - Elemental Powers: The Guardians and their Dark counterparts have elemental powers. Flem has fire powers, Aire has air powers, and so on.
- Jacksmith - Elements of Nature: Most enemies each hold one of the 8 elements: Water, fire, ice, stone, wind, lightning, plant, and shadow. Weapon parts can be used to increase a weapon's effectiveness against a certain element.
- Golden Treasure: The Great Green: There are some RPG elements in that the player's Draak-Kin grows stronger through mastery of the four Elements of Nature, and may accumulate treasure and artifacts.
- Factory Town - Elements of Nature: Magic works with the four basics: Earth, Air, Fire and Water. There's research on the elements, elements become components of items that get crafted, etc.
- Gloomhaven Unlockable Classes, Savaas - All Your Powers Combined: Elementalist manages to juggle four basic Elements of Nature even better than Spellweaver does, with many of his attacks charging or using two or more at once. He is able to wield Light and Dark too, although much less proficiently; there is a lore-based reason for that, listed below.
- Find The Path Ventures, Sakira - Elements of Nature: As a Suli, Sagira has a Jann parent and is powered by all four of the main elemental planes.
- Maple Story Two, Lara - Elements of Nature: She can summon spirits of fire, water, wind, and earth to deal damage.
- Elemental Embodiment: Living incarnations of the elements.
- Elemental Fusion: Ability Mixing the Elements of Nature.
- By the Grace of the Gods - Elements of Nature: Much of the magic of the series is based on the elements, subdivided into various schools. Most people are only able to master one or two schools and even those that can harness all of them are prone to becoming a Master of None.
- I'm In Love With the Villainess - Elements of Nature: The four classical elements (called attributes): Fire, Water, Air, and Earth are a key factor in the story, magic ushering the in-universe game's titular Magic Revolution and the societal upheaval that followed. Most individuals have one or no attribute, the exceedingly rare exceptions labeled dual, tri-, and quad-casters respectively.
- Tabletop Games - Res Arcana: Most Dragons are big, spiked creatures. There is one for each of the four classical Elements of Nature, with only the Fire Dragon actually breathing fire. There's also the Bone Dragon, the Sea Serpent (which counts as a dragon), the Prismatic Dragon (the only dragon who can't attack, instead preferring to deal with essences) and the huge, expensive Ancient Dragon. The Dragons are implied to hoard gold, as the Dragon's Lair is very centred on the gold essence.
- Mind Zero - Elements of Nature: Like many RPGs it sports its own elemental magic:
ZCE, still used as a trope in an example list
- Avalon: Web of Magic: Elements of Nature: Become a big deal when hitting Level Two.
- I Do Not Want To Do This - Elements of Nature: The theme of The Motionless Caverns, the local dungeon that the team visits. Brad comments on how cliché and commercialized the whole thing is.
- The Riddle Master Trilogy - Elements of Nature: Earth, Fire, Water and Wind.
- The Agonist - Elements of Nature: "The Moment".
- Planeta Absurdo - Elements of Nature: According to Flowder, they are water, fire, propane, butane and Bill Murray.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 31st 2023 at 10:01:04 AM
Paging ~Berrenta to the thread. Anyway, I don't have a problem with turning it into an index and renaming it; maybe making it definition-only (while still keeping its supertrope status) would be another possibility.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 8:52:32 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Could always go for a def-only supertrope-index combo
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessSince most elemental powers are covered by Single Substance Manipulation:
Index + Definition Only
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576I'm good with the Definition-only supertrope idea.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportIndex + Definition Only
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupWill there be a trope where examples of "character who can manipulate multiple elements" or "a group whose members each have a different elemental power" can go under?
Those sound sufficiently distinct enough to be separate subtropes regardless of what we do with Elemental Powers itself.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.we have Four-Element Ensemble, Fire, Water, Wind, Land, Sea, Sky, Fire, Ice, Lightning which can be used for groups in which the members are all elemental users of one of the listed tropes. I suppose a supertrope for any elemental groups that don't fall under these would be fine, but I agree that it would be a separate trope. As for the master of all elements, I think Master of All covers that. Avatar: The Last Airbender is already listed as an example there.
Outside of that to index + def only supertrope
What might catch a lot of the "general" usage is a "setting-specific superpowers" trope, e.g. in the world of Tropetasia you can either have fire, water, or earth powers. Do we have such a thing (though I suppose it needn't be limited to elemental powers).
Not necessarily, though it'd probably go on the index. They wouldn't have to be grouped, nor does Elemental Nation actually need such powers (just motifs). The Naruto image doesn't.
Edited by Synchronicity on May 20th 2023 at 1:51:22 PM
You can also, of course, simply list all the tropes associated with a character's powers, like normal. We also have tropes like Superpower Lottery and Combo Platter Powers.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessSorry, but I'm for the trope name remaining as is. If it's got to become an index (which I'm also not in favor of) fine, but leave the name alone. What else would you call an ability over the elements?
A man who admires many forms of fiction.Yeah, don't change the name.
Could be wrong but I think the name change was more to indicate that the new page is an index than to radically alter it. The goal of the name change is to prevent people from still thinking it's a trope if it gets changed into an index/def-only. I don't think it would be anything crazier than Elemental Powers Index.
That said, that will only really work if the old name gets disambig'd or cut, since indices still appear like blue links. I'm neutral on a name change for that reason.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 11:58:58 AM
The old name would definitely need some wick-monitoring after the fact, yeah. It took Your Cheating Heart a couple of years and a lot of not-a-trope notifiers to stop accruing wicks.
Is it possible to just keep the broader examples of characters controlling the elements? If a single character has the ability to control one of the element, fine, that can go on its regular page. But for examples were elemental powers are the norm/more common, and widespread, like A:TLA or Logias from One Piece, can they stay?
Edited by Eddy1215 on May 21st 2023 at 7:22:34 AM
A man who admires many forms of fiction.See my earlier comment, Synch's comment, and WarJay's comment.
Speaking of Synch's comment, Synch, Elemental Nation actually is for the worldbuilding aspect. Naruto is used as the trope pic, but it's notably a subversion as described in its entry. The pic is just being used for demonstration purposes.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 21st 2023 at 7:36:54 AM
I don't think we have a fitting trope for "everyone in the world has capabilities for one type of primary magic", Everyone Is a Super is the closest.
Edited by Amonimus on May 21st 2023 at 2:30:48 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI think Everyone Is a Super is that trope for general magic/powers. See the second to last paragraph:
I did read that but thought it's not quite a mix of One Person, One Power I had in mind.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI'm not quite sure what you have in mind, but I think for the concept of "everyone in the setting has elemental powers" between Elemental Nation, Everyone Is a Super, and One Person, One Power, the idea is well covered. It just depends on how it's set up.
- Elemental Nation: The world is divided into ethnic groups where each nation has an innate magical affinity for an element
- Everyone Is a Super: In this setting, everyone has innate magical ability/superpower aptitude to the point of mundanity
- One Person, One Power: In this setting, everyone has a single, unique superpower/magical ability
Edited by amathieu13 on May 21st 2023 at 7:48:30 AM
So, are there any questions left?
I'm seeing 7 votes for Index-ing.
If we really don't have a trope for "Everyone has (a) power(s)" in the way that Tropers/Amonimus means, we / he can just toss it on the Salvage Yard by gathering examples of what should fit and then condensing a trope idea into existence?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576If Elemental Powers is becoming an index, how is it different from Elements of Nature?
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Consensus was to rename Elements Of Nature and convert the page from an index into a supertrope for the concept of elements. What sould Elements Of Nature's new name be?
To-do list:
Elemental Powers is a super trope for powers that are attuned with the elements. I did a wick check as I noticed many cases of illegal subbullets (as in, subbulleting tropes, which is not allowed), and I wondered how bad it was. I also noticed in the check that it was used when a trope for the individual element could have been used instead.
The results:
One suggestion is to make it an index, though a rename will help on top of that; otherwise, the misuse/bad subbullets will crop up again.
Elemental Powers wick check:
Wick check for Elemental PowersThe issue: Just like Five-Man Band before, this trope is often followed by subbulleted tropes, which is an example-writing violation. This check serves to see how widespread the problem is.
Checked: 67/67
Elements of Nature wick check:
Wicks Checked - 50Elemental Powersnot mentioned or alluded to
Tied to characters using Elemental Powers or abilities
ZCE, still used as a trope in an example list
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 31st 2023 at 10:01:04 AM
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