Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Showtime!
You can, but you should blank the previous one a just say moved to bottom of page
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
The Ultimate Lifeform
Not the Eye
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yet another Zamasu, what a twist!
Jogo
Another version of Zamasu
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Brian, who's lactokinesis might be one of the finest examples of Heart Is an Awesome Power I've seen thus far.
Edited by jlvs200s on Feb 11th 2024 at 7:27:23 PM
"Stand proud, Sukuna, you are strong." | He/Him
Von Wolff, Brad, and Zamasu.
Time to knock an EP out while I'm here.
What's the work?
Misfits is a British superhero Dramedy that focuses on these five young offenders doing community service until they get caught in a storm that gives them superpowers. To quote the article on This Very Wiki, it's like "X-Men meets Trainspotting".
In the series two finale, thanks to our candidate today going public with his superpowers, the probation worker of the titular Misfits reveals them to the press in exchange for a hefty payday, with the Misfits themselves becoming famous after signing up with a talent agency. But because the Misfits have much more impressive powers than our candidate does (Curtis has Mental Time Travel, Ramsay Bol-I mean Simon has can turn invisible, Nathan has Resurrective Immortality and can see dead people, Kelly’s a telepath, and Alisha can make any who touches her want to have sex with her whether she wants to or not), the spotlight shifts away from our candidate to them. And who is the candidate in question?
Who is Brian (AKA The Milk Guy/Monsieur Grand Fromage)? What has he done?
When we first see Brian, he was just a simple teaboy working at a cafe, leading a boring life and secretly pining for a girl who frequents the cafe. But after the storm, that all changed. Now he can manipulate milk and dairy products with his mind which he dubs 'lactokinesis', which quickly hits the news the moment he shows off his powers. Even nets him the girl he liked. He's gotten so popular that there was even a deal with his talent agent, the same talent agent that's managing the Misfits and other superpowerd individuals, to show him off to the French, who call him Monsieur Grand Fromage.
But his time in the spotlight wasn't meant to last. After getting snubbed by his agent whenever he tries to tell her something, being made fun of by Nathan, and his girlfriend leaving him, he starts using his powers for a more deadly purpose. First, he chokes his ex-girlfriend to death with the half-digested Greek yogurt she ate earlier, then he does the same to a girl with healing powers before she accidentally impales herself on her Mother Theresa Young Humanitarian of the Year Award. And when his agent drops him as a client, he clogs up her arteries with the cheese she ate earlier. He then drowns Kelly with milk while she and Alisha are in the ladies’ bathroom and kidnaps Alisha before killing her and Curtis' girlfriend Nikki off-screen (Nikki accidentally teleported into the room Brian was tying Alisha up in). When Nathan goes to confront Brian for what he had done, Brian wraps the mozzarella Nathan had on his pizza earlier around his central cortex. Even mocking Nathan that he's going to spend the rest of his life as a vegetable.
When Curtis confronts Brian and asks him why he did it, Brian smugly responds with "Because the only time people like me ever get noticed is when we kill a shitload of people". And when Curtis reveals he's lactose-intolerant, Brian resorts to just stabbing him before Simon uses his invisibility power to take the blade, giving Curtis enough time to use his Mental Time Travel powers to go back to before they were famous and take out Brian before he became a threat.
Mitigating Factors?
None. While Misfits has a Black Comedy tone to it, Brian's murders are Played for Horror. And as for his girlfriend, there was nothing suggesting he loved her beyond mere infatuation. He didn't even feel upset nor remorseful about murdering her.
Heinousness
Now, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, Misfits has a kinda high heinous standard. An earlier Villain of the Week murdered any guy that got too close to his daughter, another earlier Villain of the Week believed himself to be in a violent GTA-esque video game, even the Misfits themselves have killed a couple of their probation workers in self-defence. There's a few other nasty customers in the later series but I'll discuss them soon enough.
What makes Brian stand out is quality over quantity, gruesomely choking people to death with the dairy products they ate or, in the case of Nathan, wrapping mozzarella around his brain and leaving him vegetative. Hell, he even stands out in quantity too since the guys I mentioned only killed like two or three people while Brian has a bodycount of seven and one count of leaving a guy in an And I Must Scream state. Not bad for a nobody with a power as lame as manipulating dairy products.
Conclusion
Here's to another CM with an Atrocious Alias.
Edited by CaptainPinkiePie on Feb 11th 2024 at 1:21:41 PM
Captain Pinkie Pie! Nah, just Pinkie Pie.
Goku Black
brian
@ Acw: Lawrence like Kalhim has a massive body count outside his main attempted attack. Contrast this with say Eric Reid whose a white supermasist who tried to blow up a refuge center but has a body count outside of that of 1 and you can see he comes out on top.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Goku Black
By the way MGD has an example each from the other two shows.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, he mentioned them. He offered me one, so I may do one.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
Monsieur Grand Fromage
for von Wolff, Brad Lawrence, Zamasu and Brian.
Got a potential quote for the Dragon Ball fan works page, from Dragon Ball Rise.
Edited by TurlesTheVegan on Feb 13th 2024 at 11:31:23 AM
Thanks to everyone who voted for the Paladin quote. Very nice.
The First Paladin is the strongest knight in Rome and the head of a corrupt church. Dissatisfied that the people have lost faith in the church, Paladin goes to the top of the mountain and demands the priest Bartholomew give him the powerful artifact Blood Seal, threatening him with burning for calling vampires his companions. Confronted by Jeremy and Alice at the Sanctuary, Paladin reveals that he seeks to destroy the seal, intending to unleash a Great Flood that will devastate the entire world and destroy millions of lives around the world, while Paladin will provide them with shelter to restore faith to the people before than to try to kill Jeremy and Alice, heartlessly making excuses, “There is no faith without victims.”
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Before or after Medea?
Here's the rest:
- Tom Sawyer (2000): Injurin' Joe is a savage criminal known and feared as a "cold-blooded killer" who will "gouge out the eyes and tear off the arms" of anyone who crosses his path. Introduced terrorizing a church to steal its poor box, Joe later forces the dimwitted Mutt Potter to dig up treasure for him, and when Deputy Bean tries to rightfully claim the treasure for the county, Joe responds by brutally murdering Bean then framing Mutt to hang for the killing. When Tom and Huck accidentally witness the crime, Joe kidnaps their beloved frog Rebel as a hostage so he can try to kill the kids to prevent them from saving Mutt. Even when the truth is revealed, Joe attacks Tom and Becky out of sheer spite, trying to tear them to pieces while their loved ones watch.
- Metal Fury:
- Pluto is one of the two leaders of the Nemesis Bladers, a cult that desires to use the God of Destruction, Nemesis, to destroy the world so that they can rebuild the kingdom of the ancient King Hades. Initially running the Nemesis Bladers alone, Pluto keeps his organization and himself to the shadows as he masterminds the creations of both Dark Nebula and Hades Inc., hoping to use both L-Drago and Spiral Force for the purpose of reviving Nemesis. When both Dark Nebula and Hades Inc. fail, Pluto and the Nemesis Bladers enter the fray themselves, attempting to recruit the Legendary Bladers to use their power to awaken Nemesis, luring in those willing with false rewards and by hiding the Nemesis Bladers' true goal of world annihilation. No slouch with a Beyblade himself, Pluto assists in the world's destruction and personally provides backup for Rago during the Nemesis Bladers's endgame, attempting to defeat Kenta before he can put his newly inherited power as a Legendary Blader to use.
- Rago is the second leader of the Nemesis Bladers. Known as the Child of the Black Sun, Rago is the one who wields Nemesis and commands it to undertake the task of bringing ruin to the world. Appearing only once Nemesis's revival is at hand, Rago is utterly brutal and merciless to anyone who would stand in the way of the Nemesis Bladers's goal of omnicide. When challenged by Ryuga on his lonesome, Rago crushes him with ease, beating Ryuga down physically while Doji beats him down verbally. Annoyed by Kenta's persistence despite not even being a Legendary Blader, Rago declares his intent to kill Kenta next, and is only interrupted by Ryuga's final act of passing on his Star Fragment to Kenta. Merging into Nemesis along with Pluto for the final battle, Rago spreads darkness and destruction over the entire world, taunting Gingka to defeat Nemesis before the world is completely destroyed.
- Ruin Explorers OVA: The demon possessing the priest Ruguduroll desires the Ultimate Power to destroy the world. Freed from captivity by Ruguduroll in an attempt to use its forbidden power to help those in need, the demon instead took control of the priest, using him to set fire to an entire kingdom, leaving nobody alive. The demon then slayed the entire royal family, only leaving the weakened Chamberlain alive to deliver his message to the returning Prince Lyle. The demon went on a conquest march, leaving every neighboring kingdom in shambles, taking control of the entire north continent in the process.
- Felix Faust is one of the most power-hungry sorcerers alive. Kicking off his career by selling his infant son's soul for his own ability, Faust committed many acts of cruel murder and torture to fuel his Black Magic, with his very first appearance featuring him summoning the Demons Three so they could enact their apocalyptic designs upon humanity. When he finally realized he could no longer bargain with his own tainted soul, Faust resorted to harvesting the soul of an innocent little girl to trade to demons. Faust offered his assistance to Black Adam to help resurrect Black Adam's wife Isis, but deceived Adam into thinking Isis's revival had failed, while Faust kept a paralyzed Isis to serve as his personal sex toy.
- Harlan Ellison's Dream Corridor's adaptation of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", by John Byrne: AM is a misanthropic Master Computer who hates humanity with all of his being. Having wiped out most life on Earth when he gained sentience, AM keeps 5 humans around and extends their lifespans so he can unendingly torture them both physically and mentally. AM starves, mutilates, mind rapes, and deforms the group of humans, keeping them as his prisoners for over a century while giving them false hope spots to make their torment worse. When Ted kills the rest of the group to spare them the hellish existence, AM spitefully punishes Ted by turning him into a formless, immortal blob whose mind is nonetheless intact and able to comprehend the passing of time, so Ted will suffer for eternity.
- Operation: Turnabout:
- Captain Adel Renard is the true mastermind behind the events of the Helios-6 Incident. Taking on a mission to deliver some explosives to a group of insurgents for the thrill of it, Renard convinced Captain Harvey to supply him with the dangerous Helios-6 to give to them under the pretense they would be given to the army. After betraying the insurgents, Renard tells Harvey just who he actually supplied with Helios-6 and convinces him to kill his entire company in an explosion to silence them. Renard later blackmails Harvey as part of his "game" to see how far he can push his paranoia, murdering him once he was about to get a promotion that would free him from his grasp.
- Captain Janus Harvey is a corrupt member of the Allied Nations, despised by everyone around him. While in a peacekeeping mission in the country of Aresia, Harvey was convinced by Adel Renard to supply him with some Helios-6 in exchange for money. Upon finding out about where the explosives went, Harvey proceeded to kill his entire platoon at Renard's suggestion in an attempt to silence them. Harvey spent the next few years blaming everyone he could for the incident, including gaslighting fellow survivor Lieutenant Victoria into believing she was responsible for it.
- Last Action Hero: The Ripper is a Serial Killer who enjoys targeting children, and is Jack Slater's most personal enemy. In the movie world, he takes an entire class of elementary schoolers hostage, including Slater's son Andrew, and threatens to kill them all with an axe. When the police try to intervene, the Ripper kills any officers who get too close, and though Slater tries to save his son by shooting the Ripper, the Ripper drags Andrew off a rooftop with him to ensure the boy dies. Brought into the "real world" by Benedict, the Ripper targets actor Arnold Schwarzenegger to destroy Slater's existence, and murders an innocent movie agent in the process. The Ripper then takes Slater's new friend, young Danny, as a hostage and tries to replicate Andrew's death just to torture Slater.
- Mercenaries: Grigori Babishkov is a former mass rapist and Ulrika's sadistic right-hand man who joined Ulrika to satisfy his bloodlust and sadism. Introduced leading an ambush slaughtering Elise's security detail and capturing Elise, Grigori later taunts a captured Elise by slashing open the throat of a lunch lady who showed kindness towards Elise while sniffing the woman as she bleeds out; when the lunch lady's teen sister was caught breaking in, Grigori had her raped before imprisoning her. Capturing two of the mercenaries, Kat and Mei-Lin, Grigori tortures them in a prison filled with his personal sex slaves, and when the mercenaries manage to free everyone, Grigori grabs a minigun to gleefully massacre all his captives, even trying to force himself upon Kat when she relieves him of his weapon.
- Clandestine: William "Doc" Harris is a charming, clever criminal convinced of his superiority. Wooing Marcella to marry her, Doc corrupts her brother Johnny and two other men into absolute devotion to him, having them perform oral sex on him to demonstrate his dominance. Stealing tons of military morphine, Doc uses it to perform abortions of "inferior" children. Out of misogyny, Doc also kills any women not referred to him by men, with "lots and lots" buried in unmarked graves after he does the deed, and later makes one underling take the fall by threatening to expose his homosexuality. When his own child is stillborn, Doc has Johnny give up his own son to raise as Doc's "moral heir" and attempts to corrupt the boy by preaching [[{{Übermensch}} his elitist philosophy]], and personally kills Johnny and Marcella.
- English Fairy Tales' "Mr. Fox": Mr. Fox himself presents himself as a rich and gallant man to woo Mary for marriage. After he and Mary get engaged, Mary sneaks into his castle and learns that in truth Mr. Fox is a Serial Killer of young women, filling an entire room with their blood-soaked bodies, while Mr. Fox also steals any valuables they might have on them.
- The Queen of Days, by Greta Kelly:
- Karanis, the supposed god of the sea, is the Ankaaran tasked with beginning their conquest of humanity. Working with Paasch, Karanis hit the city with deadly hurricanes to help Paasch gain power. Karanis later gruesomely drains the time out of hundreds of people to enter the human world and steals Paasch's body to possess when the ceremony is interrupted by Balthazaar "Bal" Vadalen and his niece Tassiel "Tass" by stealing half of the idol he was going to possess. Karanis then abducts Bal's little sister Mira, threatening to kill her if he doesn't bring him his half of the idol, before ordering them all to be killed anyway after he returns it while Karanis prepares to begin the Ankaaran invasion.
- Governor Paasch is a smug, ambitious man willing to do anything to gain power. Working for the god-like Ankaarans, Paasch had Karanis hit the city of Cothis with years of ferocious hurricanes, killing thousands. Paasch then claimed the gods had forsaken the city's ruling family the Vadalens and staged a coup against them to make himself governor, and tried to have the entire Vadalen family slaughtered down to the children. Later Paasch arranges at the consecration of a new temple for the temple to drain the time out of hundreds of workers there to allow Karanis to enter his world and begin an Ankaaran invasion to conquer humanity.
- Vol. 8's "Baby Doll", by Iphigenia Strangeworth: "Daddy" is the abusive, alcoholic patriarch of the family. Once a supposedly good man who returned from fighting in the Great War a whole lot worse, Daddy took to raping his maid Josy until she became pregnant, even carving half a smile on her cheek when he noticed she was unhappy with carrying his baby. Frequently abusing his family every chance he gets, Daddy eventually lusts for his underage daughter "Baby Doll", frequently forcing her to sleep with him to the point where she becomes pregnant with his bastard offspring. Daddy later murders Baby Doll's husband Jebidiah and threatens to kill her and her baby Priscilla when they try to escape his home.
- Silverwing trilogy: Cama Zotz is a demonic bat-god worshiped by the cannibalistic Vampyrum Spectrum, and the ultimate evil of the series. The creator of the Underworld, Zotz is the one behind all of Goth's atrocities, ordering him to commit slavery, genocide, and mass sacrifice. Zotz intends to extinguish the Sun and wipe out all life; enslaves the souls of the dead and denies them a proper afterlife; and punishes anyone who displeases him—even his devour followers—by eternally torturing them within his stomach.
- All of Us Are Dead: Yoon Gwi-Nam here is portrayed no better than the original. Starting out as a cruel bully who exploits, beats, and sexually humiliates his peers, Gwi-Nam uses students as bait to escape zombies and murders his principal. After being bitten by the zombies, Gwi-nam becomes a hybrid who relentlessly hunts his enemy Lee Cheong-san and murders and tortures every student he sees with sadistic relish, devouring or turning others into zombies. Upon finding Cheong-san, Gwi-nam doesn't care if all the other students are torn apart as long as he gets to torture and kill his nemesis.
- Criminal: Spain's "Carmen": Carmen's unnamed father is a vile excuse of a neglectful parent who subjects Carmen and her younger autistic sister to beatings if Carmen doesn't do what he wants. Carmen's father was also raping her, resulting in Carmen killing her younger sister upon learning her father's desires to rape the latter.
- Legends (link): Arcade lacks his usual sense of fair play. Having grown sick and tired of losing against the heroes of the Marvel Universe, Arcade uses a ray gun to nullify their powers, erase almost everyone's memories of them, and conquer the world but not before instigating a civil war among the Inhumans as a distraction. Finding an old Steve Rodgers alive, Arcade orders Agent Toynbee to destroy him and bring the other villains out of Hiding. When Arcade asks The Hood if he located the hidden bases, The Hood points out one of his flaws, causing Arcade to electrocute him in response. When his lies get exposed Arcade, undergoes a Villainous Breakdown and threatens to blow the female Daredevil's brains out while gloating about he'll have a chance to kill the Avengers a second time.
- GuilThee's: "Conomor the Accursed and Tréphine": Conomor the Accursed is a brutal, conquering tyrant who only cares about money and power. Courting beautiful women, Conomor would murder them for their wealth, torturing one in his torture chamber. Having done this to four women by the end of the song, Conomor gloats about how he has expanded his "Dark Kingdom" through the riches of his victims.
- Stalled (2022): The bloodied Pete is an evil and murderous version of Pete trying to escape the Time Loop Trap. Coming to the conclusion that killing all other Petes would finish the paradox, this Pete arms himself with a handgun and massacres an entire group of duplicates with no remorse. When confronted by a far more benevolent version of Pete, the bloodied Pete coldly reveals that he's only worried about reaching a corporate meeting in time.
- Pokémon Larimar (link): President Sterling is the seemingly benevolent president of the Larimar region, but in actuality, he is the true leader of Team Prestige, an evil team who wants to purge any and all immigrants of Larimar. Once a war veteran, Sterling once came home to Larimar after a war, only to notice that things have changed, and not in ways that he liked. Sterling was outraged by how Larimar was so willing to let outsiders into "his" region, so he tried everything in his power to keep them out. Sterling would use legendary Pokémon to cause natural disasters all across Larimar, only for Sterling to step in to paint himself as a hero. Years later, Sterling would form Team Prestige and become the President, all under the ruse that he was against them. Under Sterling's guidance, Team Prestige would kidnap innocents, and use the Legendaries to cause disasters once again. Sterling uses his hatred for immigrants and what Larimar has done in order to empower Tawartagon, and with the Legendary's help, he plans to spread its darkness to repel immigrants once and for all.
- Silent Hill 2 (includes The Novel, by Sadamu Yamashita & Masahiro Ito): Thomas Orosco stands out as the only truly irredeemable character in this work about confronting one's own flaws. A brutal man with a history of alcoholism and violence, his home life hid even worse: An incestuous rapist, Thomas sexually abused his daughter Angela every single night and turned a blind eye to his own son participating in the abuse. So deep were the scars left by him that the town brings the memory of Thomas to life as the Abstract Daddy, a twisted manifestation of his lust for Angela. Despite being dead by the time the game takes place, Thomas was just as wicked and abhorrent in life as the literal monster that Silent Hill made to represent him.
- Downpour: Patrick Napier is a convicted, revolting child molester. Kidnapping the young Charlie Pendleton to rape and drown—his crime destroying the life of Charlie's father Murphy—Napier is arrested after assaulting and killing another little boy.
- "Gambit": T'Paal, alias Tallera, is a member of a Vulcan isolationist movement that wants to violently purge Vulcan of all alien elements, believing outsiders are a threat to Vulcan purity. Tallera wants to recreate an ancient Vulcan doomsday weapon, the Stone of Gol, that allows a Vulcan to increase their telepathic abilities and kill with a thought. Tallera steals a part of the Stone of Gol from a museum on Vulcan and secretly hires Baran and his mercs to find the other parts of the Stone of Gol by raiding ancient Vulcan ruins across the Quadrant. After Tallera obtains the Stone of Gol, she uses it to kill some of the mercs she hired when they complain she did not deliver the reward she promised. Tallera uses the Stone of Gol to try to kill Picard and members of his crew before she attempts to use it violently to purge Vulcan of all alien elements.
- What If Mace Windu KILLED Count Dooku on Geonosis (link): General Grievous takes control of the Separatists after Count Dooku's death and betrays Sidious. Grievous unleashes a droid army on the galaxy to completely destroy the Republic, with entire worlds and civilisations burned to the ground and the Jedi and clone army of the Republic massacred. Grievous uses Malevolence to destroy any opposition, thrilling in the sense of victory it gives him. When the Republic starts winning the Battle of Cato Neimodia, Grievous tries to escape before encountering Anakin Skywalker and attempting to kill him.
- GU-L: Kozu Osada/Nagata is the leader of the mansion and the head of the ongoing government-funded "GU-L" project. Basing his experiments on the real-life research on Unit 731, Osada guides stray wanderers to rent out his mansion to experiment on them and creating the Ultimate Lifeform that is virtually unkillable, morphing countless victims into monstrous and violent experiments, and is not above using his own co-workers to further his research. Presumably coercing a maid into giving him children named Takaya and Takashi, Osada forcibly experiments on both for the same reasons, even reviving Takashi from his stillborn death from his experiments. Noticing Azumi was planning to betray him to save Takashi, Osada Brainwashed her with a parasite to follow his every command, such as poisoning the young Tsutomu. With his most recent experiment being subjecting young students into a Deadly Game to see if his experiments were deadly enough, Osada ultimately fuses with his own son's remains to create the so called "GU-L" to kill them, and even when he's defeated, he proclaims that he's unkillable and immortal.
- Manhunt duology:
- Original game:
- Lionel Starkweather is a rich man who creates snuff films for his own pleasure and profit. Using his fortune to acquire convicted death row inmate James Earl Cash, Starkweather sets him loose in Carcer City while hunted by gang members and corrupt law enforcement. Starkweather constantly ups the stakes by putting others in danger and has Cash's innocent family kidnapped to face almost-certain death. Starkweather's prize fighter is an insane, naked man wearing a pig's head named Piggsy, who has clearly lost his mind through what Starkweather has put him through. Starkweather's voice dogs the player throughout, as the depraved millionaire positively revels in the horror and brutality he creates.
- Mr. Nasty, the mysterious head of Valiant Video Enterprises, is the de facto ruler of Carcer City. Having turned the entire city into a crime-ridden hellhole with an empire of murderers and rapists under his control, Mr. Nasty finances and distributes Lionel Starkweather's snuff films for profit and to "honor pain". Always guaranteeing "absolute satisfaction" to buyers, Mr. Nasty resells the various murder tools used in the snuff films to interested clients, and gives his depraved minions the chance of finding work as mercenaries through his company.
- Manhunt 2:
- Dr. Pickman is the head of the Project and the man responsible for their countless atrocities. Obsessed with the idea of creating assassins via the Pickman Bridge—which would allow two personalities to inhabit the same body—Pickman has a psychopath placed inside the mind of Daniel Lamb, condemning Daniel to rot in Dixmor Asylum with other failed subjects when he inevitably goes on a killing spree. Other experiments overseen by Pickman include: driving a man insane by forcing him to feed on corpses; engulfing a man in flames until his skin and nerves were permanently damaged; and exploding a soldier to see how his squad would react. Not content with the experiments, Pickman runs a front for the Project in the form of a strip club where clients are made into "Project zombies" and snuff filmmakers take their victims to a torture dungeon.
- Leo Kasper is a murder-obsessed assassin who had his own personality placed inside the mind of Daniel Lamb by the Project. Taking the opportunity to cause as much death as possible and erase Daniel's past to assume total control over his body, Leo starts by killing people close to him—including his best friend and his therapist—culminating in a killing spree that ended with Leo stabbing Daniel's wife to death. Armed with a katana, Leo breaks into a TV station owned by the Project and slaughters more than twenty people inside, dismembering some of them and hanging one with a microphone. Despite his sadistic crimes, Leo maintains a façade of being Daniel's ally, instructing him into killing his enemies in the worst ways possible just so he can see Daniel becoming a "sick fuck" like himself before he can destroy his personality.
- Original game:
- Metal Slader Glory: Sayoko is the seemingly polite and dutiful secretary of Silkine Marceau who is actually a alien who infiltrates society to ruin the Earth's chances of survival. When Tadashi Himukai asks where his sister is, Sayoko tricks him and his girlfriend Elina to go to Colony 3 to get them killed. Having Tadashi distracted with saving his sister, Sayoko launches an attack on Colony 35, attacking many innocents and the base of the last hope of the Earth to ruin their chances of survival. When found out, Sayoko laughs, declaring it is time to destroy the pitiful planet.
- All of Us Are Dead: Yoon Gwi-Nam is a smug sexual deviant who was infamous for raping a classmate in middle school, only becoming worst once he was rendered impotent by the girl. Throwing a teacher into a house of zombies to escape and gluing a girl's eyes shut to sexually harass her, Gwi-Nam immediately accepts his role as a murderer, having a teacher and student drop to be eaten to death simply for kicks. Once he becomes a Hambie, Gwi-Nam mauls his partner in crime, Min Eun-Ji, and begins to stalk the halls for women, harassing and murdering them while using their parts for food. After a confrontation with Park Mi-Jin and Jang Ha-Ri, where he kills the latter's brother and attempts to force the girls to fight with their clothes off, Gwi-Nam hunts down the girls for revenge for escaping his grasp and injuring his hand, planning to murder their entire group as he sexually assaults and eats the women for his own pleasure.
- Forest of Humans: Ru Ha faces against ten of the most horrific convicts, yet these four manage to stand out as the worst:
- Junho Park and Hyeseon Kim are a duo of sociopathic serial killers who are the biggest threat to Ru Ha. With Junho brutally killing 11 college students and Hyeseon doing a murder spree that claimed the lives of her parents, the two work together after Hyeseon releases all the prisoners to slaughter the staff. Working to kill Ru Ha, they secretly plan to kill off all the prisoners, already killing two of them, with Junho killing one for simply being ugly. After escaping the facility after blowing it up, the two kill a homeowner for their house and plan to kill Ru Ha to continue a murder spree undetected, already murdering her boyfriend and father to toy with her. Two complete sadists who only enjoy hurting others, the two don't even care for each other, with Hyeseon attempting to frame Junho for their crimes as she attempts to kill Ru Ha.
- Gihwan Kang is a brutal and hot-headed convict known to be one of the most demented of the 10. Having a kill count and rape count of 20 people, with one incident along of him raping and killing 8 people, he was the only convict not released by Hyeseon to prevent him from killing them all. Once he was released by Jaejun, Gihwan immediately attempts to brutally murder everyone, beating Jaejun and having him bleed out while trying to rape Ru Ha in front of him purely out of sadism when believing they were a couple.
- Chungshik Lee is a minor convict in the group, yet no less disgusting. A monstrous pedophile, Chungsik brutally murders seven children, filming their despair and murders so he can get off on it. After his arrest and conviction, still believes himself as a good person and a man of God, and is eager to murder the staff once released by Hyeseon. A complete coward when cornered by people stronger than him, Chungshik begs for mercy and for God to save him before promptly killing himself to not face the consequences of his actions.
- "Queen of the Black Puddle": The Black Puddle Queen is a man-eating siren who uses bodies of water to travel from her underwater kingdom and hunt for humans. With her Compelling Voice and sultry appearance, the Queen hypnotizes men into following her to her castle, where she performs a ritualistic ceremony before eating them alive. The Queen has filled her kingdom with the skeletal remains of her hundreds—if not thousands—of victims, and she tries to subject Eustace and Courage to the same fates. She later joins a villainous alliance to take Muriel hostage and destroy Courage in a slow, painful way out of nothing but annoyance that Courage thwarted the Queen's last scheme.
- "Eye of the Gorgon": The Gorgon is a parasitic being with a habit of possessing bodies and discarding them when its host gets too old and feeble—an action that the Gorgon has pulled off for the past 3,000 years. Brainwashing a convent of nuns, the Gorgon has them hunt for the Gorgon's talisman to allow it to initiate an invasion in which its species would take a parasitic hold on the human race. The Gorgon also has a hobby of petrifying people, a fate that keeps its victims conscious for an hour before they expire, with it being shown that it has a courtyard full of victims—with it also petrifying a lackey for failure and Maria's dad, almost killing him. With its current body near the end of its life, the Gorgon has the convent hold Sarah down, with the intent on using her as its new host.
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Before. He's the closest to Big Bad and is still more important anyway, while Medea is just an Arc Villain. And please spoil him, he is a Hidden Villain and his intentions are revealed only at the very end of the game.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Not to be a dick, but I do have a counter offer!
Oh, uhhh I may have forgotten to answer it! My bad!
Edited by ForgoLight on Feb 11th 2024 at 10:51:55 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Quote Cell. I think Zamasu's quote is good too.
Forgo, did you see my question in PM?
Brad Wallace
Edited by Ghal-Sur on Feb 11th 2024 at 10:51:34 AM
Nah, no worries, I don't mind at all anyone proposing a quote that isn't mine and I think that one works too.
Buzz
to Brian. Cheese, yogurt to give it to him, he went all the whey to milk his powers for all it was curd.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Okay, cool! I was just concerned cause to me, that Cell quote doesn't feel quite as visceral as Zamasu's due to the personal nature of Goku Black doing that right in front of the son of the man whose body he stole.
Edited by ForgoLight on Feb 11th 2024 at 11:03:58 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Brad and Zamasu
Continuing from this proposal about El Conde, I would like to propose another character that could fit this trope.
The work
As written before, El Conde is a horror satire film directed by Pablo Larrain, which imagines Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet still living as a vampire, having been born in 18th century France as Claude Pinoche. While the protagonist has already been approved in this thread, I think we should consider the source of his evil as well.
The candidate
The narrating voice of the film turns out to be none other than Margaret Thatcher, herself a vampire and Pinoche's mother. Once a lowly French worker before the Revolution came around, she was raped and bitten by a strigoi, who turned her into a vampire. Some time later, Maggie managed to stake him while he was sleeping. Normally, this would elicit sympathy for the character, give a tragic nuance to the story.
The problem is that Maggie embraced her nature as a vampire with no second thought, and went on to gleefully spread her evil through the world, animated by a neverending hatred towards the working class. The child of her rape was Pinoche himself, whom she abandoned. She did however keep an eye on him, not exactly out of motherly love but more to make sure he would carry on his activity as a vampire. With actions like her ensuring him protection during his time in United Kingdom, she allowed him to continue his activities unhindered.
When Pinoche starts a sexual relation with the nun Carmen and turns her into a vampire as well, Maggie shows up and vents her jealousy about it, urging her son to kill Carmen so that she can be his only love. In the end, Carmen is killed by Pinoche's lieutenant Fyodor, but this doesn't stop the vampire from killing him as well, along with his wife Lucia. Pinoche and Maggie proceed to become younger and leave to try and bring misery to the world once again.
Mitigating factors
Normally the rape element would count, but she never shows any sign of trauma from it, nor any kind of conflict about murdering people. In fact, she seems quite satisfied with her new nature from the start. There's also her "affection" towards Pinoche, which is actually a creepy and possessive sort of jealousy. Ultimately, her influence allowed the suffering of countless people, and she enables this to continue in the future as well.
Heinousness
This could be a bit tricky. On one hand, Maggie's actions as a vampire aren't shown overtly and she has lesser prominence than Pinoche. On the other hand, it's made clear that she has enabled his evil to carry on; in the end, she's the one that pushes him to continue his murderous life when Pinoche's attempt at Spiteful Suicide could have freed the world from him. Also, despite the satirical intent of the film and its grotesque premise, her negative role is played seriously. A sort of political Ghostface, if you will.
Final Verdict
I would say yes, but I expect this to be more divisive than the previous example.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Sure to Thatcher.
- The First Paladin is the strongest knight in Rome and the head of a Corrupt Church. Dissatisfied that the people have lost faith in the church, the Paladin goes to the top of the mountain and demands the priest Bartholomew give him the powerful Blood Seal, threatening him with burning for calling vampires his companions. Confronted by heroes Jeremy and Alysa at the Sanctuary, the Paladin reveals that he seeks to destroy the seal, intending to unleash a Great Flood that will devastate the entire world and destroy millions of lives, while the Paladin will provide them with shelter to restore faith to the people, before then trying to try to kill Jeremy and Alice, stating "There is no faith without victims."
Pending:
- ~Mrph1 please add Uranos to the Drafts.
- The Bill: Craig Sutton ( ~Atlantis1930 )
- The Foreigner (2017): Hugh McGrath (Atlantis)
- Star Wars Manhua: Tarkin ( ~The Cosmic Collector )
- Taxi Driver (2021): Bishop ( ~Rm74 )
- Australia: Neil Fletcher (Snowy)
- Masters of the Universe: Revolution: Hordak (Wet)
I have a question about a rejected character I want to reevaluate under the new rules for kids media.
They were reject for most of their actions being Fridge Horror but in the last part of the story they just to get rid of the hero they were going to destroy their own keep and while the story doesn't bring attention to it several duos of minions are guarding the enterences of the keep and some inside and I am thinking if that would be enough.
Lies and Violence!
Yes to Zamasu and Brian. Abstaining on Thatcher, even if she's enabling Pinoche her actions don't feel quite explicit enough imo.
What's the work, just for reference?
So I haven't done an EP in a while, been a bit busy with classes. I got some free time though, so decided to cross one off from my to-do list.
What's the work?
I've already done a lot of posts on Ninjago. Elemental ninjas led by their sensei, Wu, as they fight evil and Wu's corrupted brother, Garmadon. The show also had some non-canon comic tie-ins that mir and I have gotten two from, but there was a third that I was always unsure on. Figured I might as well bite the bullet and put him forward.
For some background: Season 2 of the show centered around the setting’s Satan analogue, the Overlord, resurrecting his invincible army of stone warriors to conquer the world. This comic, set before those events, focuses on the unearthing of a prophecy about the stone army’s return. The very land itself begins reacting in horror in response to the sheer evil the stone army presents, generating a curse that begins turning everything and everyone nearby to stone. No, it doesn't make much sense, just go with it.
The closest village in the vicinity of the curse? The… uh, curiously named “Garmadon City.”
Who is the Advisor?
The right-hand of Garmadon City’s mayor, the Advisor somehow managed to find and decipher the prophecy. This immunized him to the mental effects of the curse, ensuring that he would retain his personality and sense of self should he become stone. The Advisor, realizing he could make an army with the curse, convinced the mayor that they should wait for the Ninja to save them rather than evacuate, allowing the curse to slowly infect and corrupt everyone into stone creatures that the Advisor can control.
As the population turns “cruel and brutal,” the advisor makes plans for the curse to spread until he has assembled a vast army, which he can then lead to crush all those who retain their flesh until only stone remains. While this is happening, the Ninja end up in the city and begin slowly transforming. Wu, realizing what’s happening, is captured by the Advisor before he can tell the Ninja how to stop the curse; the Advisor proceeds to speed up his transformation to turn him completely to stone, before siccing him on his students.
To make a long story short, the Ninja find the prophecy and decipher it while fighting off the Advisor’s forces, which somehow frees the villagers and reverses their own partial transformations. As the people are returned to normal, Wu confronts the powerless Advisor and dresses him down, presumably arresting him after.
Mitigating qualities?
No issues with agency or redeeming qualities, but the main problem is whether he’s heinous enough. The people who are cursed are still alive. They’re going about their daily lives in a daze, with one even cordially offering a (stone) apple to the Ninja. However, there’s no real emotion behind any of it; they’re just going through the motions, without any memories of their past lives. The guy who offers the apple casually crushes it in the same breath, while a stone carver accidentally smashes a piece he’d been working on for weeks without a care in the world. “As their bodies turn to stone, so too do their hearts.”
Personally, I think that’s a little too weak, but Wu, upon realizing what’s happening, proclaims “if we don’t find an answer soon, none of us will leave this place alive,” along with a few other lines lamenting their impending doom. So even if it’s lacking a bit of oomph in my eyes, I do think the story is ultimately trying to present the curse as a fate worse than death.
The Advisor also talks a lot about “crushing” all those who aren’t stone, but (imo) it’s unclear whether this should be taken as a typical cartoon villain with a generic world takeover scheme or… you know, actual destruction and mass murder. The comics as a whole are typically darker than the show–they’re written by Greg Farshtey, the main writer for the Bionicle franchise–so I think the latter is a credible interpretation, and we do get a vision of the army marching with fires spreading in the background while the Advisor talks about destroying his enemies.
It’s entirely possible I’m overthinking things—since I’m effortposting him, I obviously do lean ever so slightly on the comic playing him as a serious threat–but later seasons of the show have a bunch of guys who rant about destruction only to be too vague/generic in execution, so I’d be remiss not to at least mention my doubts. The comic, Warriors of Stone, is free on Internet Archive, if anyone cares enough to judge for themselves.
As for whether he’s bad enough compared to the current keepers? This is a non-canon comic published shortly after season 2, so his only competition is:
- A similar non-canon version of Samukai who aids in a doomsday plot.
- Pythor, who awakens a snake god to devour the world (since I always get asked about him whenever I bring him up, he gets redeeming qualities/is reduced to a joke in later seasons).
- The Overlord, who corrupts existence to reduce everyone to mindless slaves–though I’m also unsure whether or not this should be considered a generic take over the world plan or a genuine fate worse than death scenario.
If the above issues are deemed to be not a problem and properly heinous, then he should stand out fine: he’s just some village nobody who intends to expand the curse as far and wide as possible until he has a legion of warped innocents to carry out his will and kill everyone else.
These non-canon comics also have a version of the Great Devourer that I weirdly think has agency–the narration explicitly notes that it’s sapient, and though it may have been corrupted to evil, it’s directly contrasted with the similarly-corrupted Lord Garmadon and his wish for redemption–but the comic doesn’t feature its desire to eat existence, so I don’t think there’s quite enough going for it.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 11th 2024 at 3:17:00 PM
Reposting due to having been at the very bottom of the page. I'm allowed to do that right?
What is the Work?
Hyourinjutsu is a fairly popular web animation series, primarily one that revolves around Dragon Ball based What If? scenarios, spanning from Dragon Ball Z, to Dragon Ball GT, and Dragon Ball Super.
Wait a minute... Dragon Ball Super...? Uh oh...
Just like in canon, Zamasu is the former North Kai of Universe 10, who developed an extreme hatred of mortals after being taken under the wing of Universe 10's Supreme Kai, Gowasu. At an unspecified point, Zamasu killed Gowasu as in canon, as evidenced by his possession of the Time Ring, and Potara Earrings, things that can only belong to a Supreme Kai. He then later used the Super Dragon Balls to switch bodies with Son Goku, also as in canon, and become the scourge known as Goku Black as he sought to eradicate any and all Mortals in existence.
This time however, Zamasu decides to conduct a little experiment. After seeing how Future Trunks' time traveling had created the timelines of both Dragon Ball GT, and Dragon Ball Super, Zamasu uses the Time Ring to travel to when Future Trunks was still a kid, and killed him in order to make a new timeline that he could use to play around with and get stronger. In this new timeline, Future Gohan achieved Super Saiyan 2 following Trunks' murder and steamrolled the Future Androids, saving his world. Following this, Zamasu enters this timeline and proceeds to vaporize an entire continent right in front of Gohan to provoke him into a fight, ultimately resulting in Zamasu regaining his Goldy Ki, and transforming into his own version of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan Rose, and murdering Gohan before returning to the main timeline of Dragon Ball Super.
In a rather fitting bit of karmic irony, the timeline diverged again due to the utterly indestructible Future Zamasu counterpart of Goku Black Zamasu getting successfully sealed away by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, using the Evil Containment Wave (and not forgetting the talisman he needed to keep him locked up as he did in canon). Out of options, Zamasu used the Time Ring to flee to yet another timeline. After observing the Super Saiyan 4 transformation in an iteration of the GT timeline, Zamasu attains it, hoping to master the Saiyan body he stole from Goku. He then travels to yet another timeline and takes on a version of Vegeta who had attained Super Saiyan God before Goku did, destroying a huge city in the process before he gets the power boost by means of Saiyan Zenkai that he was seeking, and then promptly fleeing to yet another GT timeline.
In this GT timeline, Zamasu pushes a version of Baby who was still possessing Vegeta to make absolutely sure that he killed off the GT version of Goku, and decided to form a temporary alliance with the Tuffle creation in order to replace his failed Future Zamasu counterpart. The two archvillains would then be attacked by a GT version of Broly, whose power forced Goku Black, and Baby Vegeta to undergo Potara fusion, and form Baby Vegito Black, who promptly killed Broly... and in doing so, released enough Godly Ki to awaken the slumbering Dragon Ball GT version of Lord Beerus. Beerus and Whis would then confront Baby Vegito Black as the God of Destruction took on the distorted Saiyan fusion.
When things start going south for Baby Vegito Black, he attempts to exploit Lord Beerus' life link with the Universe 7 Supreme Kai, Shin, to kill him by means of killing Shin. Unfortunately for Baby Vegito Black, due to Kibito and Shin never unfusing as they did in Dragon Ball Super through the Dragon Balls, Zamasu can't track his Ki signature, not that it would have mattered if he could, as Beerus had preemptively sealed Kibito-Shin away to preempt any attempts on Shin's life. Baby then gets himself Hakai'd by Beerus when he ejects himself from Vegeta to try and possess Beerus, leaving Zamasu in the Driver's Seat of Vegito Black. Before Zamasu can exploit this to use the Dragon Balls to flee, as his Time Ring had been destroyed, he unfuses from Vegeta, and is then destroyed by Beerus, furiously ranting that this wasn't supposed to happen.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Huh. Would you look at that! There's nothing here!
Yeah, Zamasu is still the same old hypocrite we all know and despise. He happily murders fellow Gods if they get in his way, and causes far more damage to the time stream than Trunks could have even imagined. While he does compliment Lord Beerus for the latter's power, said compliments are so obviously back handed contemptuous snipes, it isn't even funny.
Are they bad enough?
Your kidding right? This is Zamasu we're talking about. Not only is he the only villainous character to appear in multiple different animations who is explicitly the same one each time (Baby doesn't count as he was already fused with Goku Black), he also has by far the highest on screen kill count of any of them, and that's just the ones on screen. Again, this is Zamasu we're talking about, with his entire rationale for forming Goku Black being that he needed more power to execute his Zero-Mortals Plan, and since this Goku Black explicitly returned to the main timeline after his little stunt with preemptively murdering Future Trunks, we know that he has all the death Zamasu caused in canon on his hands too.
Final Verdict?
I dunno... I'm not sure he counts... said no one ever. Zamasu is one of those characters like Darkseid, Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious, and Philip Wittebane/Emperor Belos who, unless otherwise noted, is basically always gonna land as a CM.