Count me in for Breaking Point Swearing.

Breaking Point Swearing

Should we make a single prop for whether this should be renamed or not, or we go straight to a crowner of which new name it should have?

Before that, what to do with the current name? Do we turn it into a disambiguation or a redirect?

Likewise.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Jan 15th 2023 at 9:08:49 AM

Considering how much of a Pothole Magnet the current name is, I think I'd rather disambiguate.

to both and Breaking Point Swearing

Out Of Character Swearing and Uncharacteristic Swearing can also work for the "character who doesn't typically swear, does in this instance"

And I agree with WarJay. I'm not typically a splitter, but if there are two somewhat distinct concepts being covered by this trope, then why not split them out.

Edited by amathieu13 on Jan 15th 2023 at 9:22:16 AM

I would like to propose that the usage check may not have accurately captured the nuances of the trope's usage. My impression of how it's used, or at least what I thought the trope was, is that it's effectively the inverse of Cluster F-Bomb, a single swear word with emphasis placed on it. Granted this makes it sound like a quieter Atomic F-Bomb, and if you asked me to give the difference between the two pages based on this idea I don't know if I would be able to give a better distinction than AFB being PFS But More So. Also, because tone doesn't come across well in text using PFS in potholes with this definition in mind might make it look like it's being used for any swearing.

Still, it's worth noting that the AFB page claims that "the Precision F-Strike relies on timing", which doesn't really capture that it's who's doing the swearing that's most important. On a similar note, what I describe above is probably more of an argument for a rename since attempting to fit the name into the context of Cluster F-Bomb and Atomic F-Bomb still wouldn't capture that it's something done by a character or work not normally prone to it and would lend itself more to what AFB claims the trope is about, and the previous paragraph is pretty much an argument against what I thought PFS was being tropeworthy, so this point doesn't necessarily matter too much to the end outcome.

OK, with the premature calls for a crowner out of the way, what about Precisely Placed Profanity if it's about timing/precision?

Edit: Or Unexpectedly Strong Profanity or Abruptly Strong Profanity since it can either be from a character who isn't expected to use strong language (or at least not language that strong) in addition to being from a work that doesn't usually contain language as strong as what's used. Leaning toward one of these since the description says it can be per-work or per-character.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 3:13:27 AM

I don't see anyone call for a crowner, earlier post commented it would have to be about if renaming is what to do first, splitting or disambig were also brought up.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 16th 2023 at 3:23:33 PM

I thought this post was requesting a crowner. It's possible I misunderstood and it was actually referring to what kind of crowner we'll use when it's time for one in a couple of days.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 7:08:18 AM

I like Precisely Placed Profanity. It's alliterative.

Me as well.

I wasn't requesting a crowner; Amonimus is right.

My only issue with Precisely Placed Profanity is that it doesn't reflect this part of the trope's description.

What about Sudden And Serious Swearing, then? If someone didn't suggest that already, anyway.

My mistake, then. Sorry.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 17th 2023 at 4:58:01 AM

I think Breaking Point Swearing (or Breaking Point Profanity) is a better choice. It conveys both the suddenness and the fact things got serious. It can also go for both a character and the work as a whole because it indicates that the situation has become bad enough for a character to swear. Which also implies that, in that work, swearing isn't used gratuitously.

Now that you mention those two, I agree that those two would get the meaning across well, since it could refer to the breaking point for a character (using stronger-than-usual profanity to indicate that O.O.C. Is Serious Business) or a work (a work features profanity stronger than what had been seen at that point to indicate things getting serious).

Mainly, I'm against going with another name that refers to a specific word per what I said here about how profanity tropes that have a specific word in the name tend to attract misuse for any time that word appears (granted, some tropes are about a specific word, but they're also about specific uses of those words), especially because this trope covers profanity in general instead of just "fuck".

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 17th 2023 at 12:26:18 PM

to renaming it to Out Of Character Swearing, though I like a lot of these suggestions for a (potential) rename.

What do we do with the old name? Disambiguate or redirect?