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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#74551: Jul 29th 2016 at 9:37:23 AM

[up] I can only think of Identical Stranger. Or maybe not. There's Power Copy, but Mega Man has that.

edited 29th Jul '16 9:39:16 AM by WhirlRX

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#74552: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:09:49 AM

[up] In any case, i would go for the first one

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#74553: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:09:55 AM

So I was sort of thinking about stuff, and I think I have one suggestion if anyone wants to work on the actual mythological Izanami: Death by Childbirth.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
#74554: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:22:36 AM

Mother Gothel, The Goddess Whose Age Caught Up With Her (Gothel)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/gothel_transparent_8.png
  • Demigoddess
  • Symbol: The magic flower
  • Theme Song: Mother Knows Best (Reprise)
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Really 700 Years Old, Evil "Matriarch", Manipulative Bitch, Emotionally Abusive Stepmother, Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette, Vain Sorceress, Cares only for Rapunzel's hair, Wants to stay young and beautiful
  • Domains: Immortality, Rapid Aging
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Allies: Evil Queen, Ras Al Ghul, Voldemort
  • Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Frollo
  • Enemies: Rapunzel, Flynn Rider, Quasimodo, Sophitia Alexandra
  • Gothel was an old woman who discovered a magic flower which kept her young through a magic song. It was until soldiers sent by the King of Corona to find a cure for his ill pregnant Queen, when the flower was discovered and cured her. As the result, their child Rapunzel bears a golden hair which holds the magical properties of the flower. She uses the hair to replenish her youth but when she snipped it, it lost it's property and she began aging. Thus, she kidnapped her and kept her in a tower for 18 years and prevented her from leaving outside until Rapunzel meet the thief Flynn Rider.
  • After she died from old age and turning into dust after Flynn cut Rapunzel's hair which removed the magic from it, she is ascended to the Pantheon although as an old woman. Somehow, her ascension caused Rapunzel's hair to grow out again with its magical properties. Of course, she couldn't reach Rapunzel as everyone stops her path so she needs to seek another source for eternal youth yet she has used the flower so many centuries that she want Rapunzel's hair.
  • She is despised by parents as she kidnapped Rapunzel as a baby and has emotionally abused her into staying in the tower and never leaving outside. She also like to put down Rapunzel while complimenting herself and was willing to lock her away when she drops her facade.
  • She found a companion through the Evil Queen who is vain about her beauty. So much that she wanted Snow White out of the way so that she could be "the fairest of them all," much like her and Rapunzel's hair.
  • Though Frollo has hatred toward witchcraft and her goal of eternal youth would make it like witchcraft, they were a lot in common in being manipulative stepparent to their stepchild through emotional abuse and would view them as a tool.
    • Because of that, Quasimodo, also a friend of Rapunzel, hates her as well because of how similar she was to Frollo.
  • Her obsession with eternal youth and immortality caught the attention of Lord Voldemort who seeks immortality and the two could work well. While Voldemort uses Horcruxes to maintain his immortality, she wants youth as well as she wanted to stay young forever and that those mean little.
  • Ras Al Ghul noticed her on how she live for centuries through a magic flower and later through Rapunzel's hair while he survived through the Lazarus Pits which heal wounds and cure every ailments. Though it could drive a person insane if used too much, in which for Gothel, probably wouldn't make a difference.

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#74555: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:23:48 AM

[up][up] Birthing a Fire Baby would do that.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#74556: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:19:43 PM

I'll repeat the question from the previous page: Because one of Irene Adler's actress Natalie Dormer is playing Margaery Tyrell in GOT, what do you think would be her interaction with the ascended characters.

[up][up] Enemy with Picard and Worf because Donna Murphy was in one of the Star Trek movie as Anij. Some interaction with Doctor Octopus because Murphy also played his wife in Spider Man 2.

First draft for Irene Adler:

Irene Adler, The Goddess Who Was Promoted to Love Interest (The Woman, Jamie Moriaty)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/adler_irene_6077.jpg
Click for spoiler of Elementary season 1 finale 
  • Theme Song: "Irene's Theme" (for her BBC Sherlock version)
  • Quasideity, with some moment of Demi
  • Alignment: True Neutral in most version, Neutral Evil as Jamie Moriaty
  • Domain: Love, Music, Manipulation
  • Portfolio: Elegant Classical Musician, Worthy Opponent to Sherlock Holmes, Ensemble Dark Horse, frequently portrayed as a Femme Fatale and Promoted to Love Interest to Sherlock
  • Allies: John Watson, Spock, Luna Lovegood, Neville Longbottom, Kaidan Alenko, Commander Shepard, Garrus Vakarian, Tali'Zorah, Ned Flanders, Katniss Everdeen, Stephen Strange, Tony Stark / Iron Man
  • Enemies: Dracula
  • Complicated Relationship with: Sherlock Holmes, James Moriaty, Nero Wolfe
  • Pities: Hinata Hyuga, Cheryl Blossom
  • Opposed: Barbara Gordon / Batgirl, Raven Darkholme / Mystique
  • One of the few people that ever outsmarted Sherlock Holmes, Irene Adler was picked to join the Pantheon to represent her temple because the sheer amounts of adaptations of her being a love interest to Sherlock far outnumbered the ones that don't.
  • Irene's original counterpart doesn't particularly happy with her position, nor the fact that she is usually portrayed as a Femme Fatale in most adaptations, because she is Happily Married and only met Sherlock Holmes once as an enemy, not to mention she finds him cold and uncaring. Because of this, Irene's original counterpart tends to not present in her own temple very much and sometimes can be seen bonding with John Watson for their shared experienced of being Flanderized.
    • Saying that, alot of Irene's other counterparts - who are Sherlock's love interest, are incredibly happy to reunite with him again.
  • One figure Irene also has complicated relationship with is James Moriaty. While their original counterparts never met, a few of their counterparts did. Their relationship tends to be on the antagonistic side, but one memorable time the two of them are revealed to be the same person, who called herself Jamie Moriaty.
  • One popular speculation is that she is the mother of Nero Wolfe with Sherlock Holmes as the father. The two of them neither deny nor confirm this.
  • Because of the temple she represents, Irene tends to have many allies that have been on the end of her temple's power. Most of them are thankful for the romantic relationship they received.
    • Irene feels incredibly sorry for Hinata because of her cousin Neji's one-sided obsession with her. She feels similar way to Cheryl Blossom for her incest relationship with her brother.
    • Irene is happy for people that received her temple power and their relationship gone smoothly and well-written. The list include Spock, Luna and Neville, Garrus, Tali, Kaidan with Commander Shepard.
    • On the other hand, she condemns people whose received her temple's power but used it incredibly poorly and got Strangled by the Red String. This include Batgirl (with Batman) while she outrights dissociate herself with Dracula for the fact that Mina Murray is usually received her temple power while was portrayed with rape undertone in the original works.
  • She has a friendly relationship with Doctor Strange and Tony Stark given that the three of them found themselves having familiar appearance.
  • She got along well with Katniss Everdeen because of their annoyance about their readers' disproportional focus on their love life. The fact that one of Irene's counterpart looks like one of Katniss's allies Cressida is just a bonus.
  • The fact that she is frequently Flanderized in adaptations is what bonds her with Ned Flanders.
  • Because she has similar name to Mystique's deceased lover Destiny and is said to be based on her in the Marvel Universe, Raven tends to have spies around Irene's temple. She is NOT pleased when told about this news by the Marvel deities.

edited 29th Jul '16 5:23:25 PM by shatterstar

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#74557: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:21:50 PM

@Gawain profile: Mention how he has worked for the very Whore of Bablyon (Nero) he trash talked in Fate/Extra as her Adjutant in Fate/Extella it's sequel.

Plus on how his Undying Loyalty includes happily serving Lancer Artoria, killing the knights who disagreed with her rule (Including her brother Kay and his own brothers), and committed atrocities against the unworthy people of the Middle east.

edited 29th Jul '16 1:22:58 PM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Bad Movie Binge Collector
#74558: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:26:42 PM

[up]In Le Morte D'Arthur, his siblings were killed by Lancelot when Lancelot was rescuing Queen Guinevere.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#74559: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:47:28 PM

Yes that happens in Fate too and lead him to wish he hadn't sought revenge as he died and unwaveringly follow his king.

Which he does in Fate Grand Order by killing his brothers.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#74560: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:50:57 PM

[up] Man Gawain, you truly are blind to your loyalty to The King. No wonder he The Scrappy.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#74561: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:55:18 PM

So is it weird to have a suggestion for something, but at the same time you feel like where the suggestion is a good idea, the implementation would be horrible? Like I want to suggest Amakusa Shiro for Japanese Christian, but... the problem lies in the fact that I feel like his portrayal in the Pantheon would be less than favourable since two of his most popular appearances are Fate Apocrypha and Samurai Shodown, neither of them giving him a flattering role. That is the main reason why I am hesitant to actually suggest Amakusa.

Also, I guess it is too late to suggest Mata Hari for Femme Fatale Spy.

edited 29th Jul '16 1:55:31 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#74562: Jul 29th 2016 at 1:59:25 PM

[up] According to his page, he got 4 other portrayals, including Amakusa 1637, Shin Megami Tensei, Rurouni Kenshin and some movie. So it isn't like he don't have enough to separate into a profile.

Edit: [up] I search in Profession and it seems that the trope is open.

edited 29th Jul '16 2:07:30 PM by shatterstar

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#74563: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:03:34 PM

Gawains own King had him executed for failing too, but despite being hit with a spear that is also a nuke survives so Lancer Artoria spares him and he vows to serve her even more faithfully than before.

That's what happens when the Traitor Knights (Lancelot, Mordred, Tristan) and Agravain work under the "nuke the unworthy" God Lancer Artoria. The Hassans are the good guys alongside Bedievere.

@TPPR: Amakusa Shiro has been in SMT too as Tokisada. He's been a puppet with strings controlled by Alice in SMT Imagine and was a tragic soul once again turned into a sacrifice to YHVH in a Law Quest for SMT IV. He's been a Fiend as well.

edited 29th Jul '16 2:07:47 PM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#74564: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:05:45 PM

[up][up] The Rurouni Kenshin isn't really him as much as someone trying to become like him. And in SMT, he only really has three appearances. One being NINE, one being IMAGINE, and one being IV, where you have to kill him to collect his head as one ingredient on summoning Seraph. Also, Roku had reserved Femme Fatale Spy for Ada and EVA.

Also note that Amakusa has appeared in other works (info on Wikipedia), but he seems to suffer from Historical Villain Upgrade.

edited 29th Jul '16 2:15:29 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#74565: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:29:58 PM

[up] Roku didn't get very far though. If it was me, I'd talk to him/her about it. Maybe drop one girl to let you make the Mata Hari profile?

On another note, following Mata Hari profile, I discover that Josephine Baker is pretty much famous for her banana dress and Fruit of the Loon is open. Maybe you can do that instead? (I'll try to not take in anymore profiles).

edited 29th Jul '16 2:45:46 PM by shatterstar

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#74566: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:39:29 PM

[up] I wouldn't say he didn't go far at all. He apparently feels like sandboxes are for weaklings and never uses one.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
#74567: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:52:28 PM

[up][up]I don't know understand the Actor Allusion for the Star Trek one, the Doctor Octopus maybe but I don't know.

[down]This is why I usually don't like to rely on Actor Allusion for facts. But if you want to write it yourself, be my guest.

edited 29th Jul '16 3:13:10 PM by mariovsonic999

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#74568: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:57:51 PM

[up] Donna Murphy was in Star Trek: Insurrection as Picard's LI.

Edit: [up] Sure. Check your Sandbox

edited 29th Jul '16 3:27:05 PM by shatterstar

r-lock256 (Spin-off Series)
#74569: Jul 29th 2016 at 3:33:34 PM

A while ago, I talked about Humongous Mecha, me giving that trope to Moguera, and a bit of trouble that resulted from it. I talked to Chris and n3xus over PM about it and they said that they were fine with me giving that trope to Moguera. Just a thing to briefly mention.

At this point, I feel like I work on whatever sounds interesting, even if it sounds unlikely to make a profile out of it. Evidently, faso has brought up Gnome Chompsky as an example of good profiles coming from strange ideas (I think).

However, I feel like I can't go a day without thinking about the problems that can't be solved around here and how it feels like we're being selfish with what we work on and being hypocrites around here (or something to that effect). I don't want to be a selfish hypocrite even though I'm probably edging towards that.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#74570: Jul 29th 2016 at 3:44:36 PM

@ Mother Gothel: I imagine she'd actually approve of Ghetsis. As mentioned, both took a kid and "adopted them", raising them in an isolated environment and conditioning them for their own selfish purposes. The endgame may have been different, but asides from that she's disturbingly similar to him. Also, Voldemort would see her as a rival, since he believes only he can live forever.

@ Irene Adler: Cersei wouldn't like her. Neither would she, given how her look-alike Margarey Tyrell got slaughtered when Cersei burned down the Sept of Baelor

@ Hope: Damnit it, stop getting rid of all these appearance-based tropes!!

@ r-lock256: I was thinking Elder God Demonbane, though maybe that's just because it's the biggest one in all fiction

Standard repost of Lorraine Baines. Also...so GOT is no longer a hot subject. Alright. Well just to note, I won't be doing any more GOT gods for quite a while, just saying. As such, do you think there is anything more I should add to Renly's profile? Or do you believe the profile is ready for the pantheon?

Lorraine Baines-McFly, Goddess of "Wholesome" 50s Girls

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Renly Baratheon, God of Usurpers (Lord of Storm's End, Master of Laws, The King in Highgarden, The King In South)

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  • House: Betrayal
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: His horned crown. Alternatively, the same black stag on a yellow background as his brothers
  • Theme Song: Ours Is The Furynote 
  • Alignment: Chaotic Neutral with good leanings
  • Portfolio: Desires to Usurp Leadership, The Charmer, Sorta Evil Uncle(not really), More Noble in the Adaptation, Stag-Themed Crowns, Looks Great, Admits He Is a Usurper, Sort of Villain with Good Publicity, Non-Stereotypical Homosexual, Sleazy Politician, At War With His Polar-Opposite Brother, Loves the Attention, Pride, Beards Both Figurative And Literal
  • Domains: Charisma, Rebellions, Successions, Beauty
  • Spiritual Precursor: Daemon Blackfyre
  • Followers: Yzma, Henry Clay, Claudius
  • Allies: Vayne Carudas Soldier, Scar, Loki, Chou Chou, Jafar, Xerneas
  • Special relationship with: Robert Baratheon (his older brother)
  • Rivals: Doctor Doom, Keiichi Maebara, Prince Eric
  • Enemies: The Lannister family(particularly Cersei) and their muscle Gregor Clegane, Daenerys Targaryen (rival claimant), Aerys II Targaryen, Lord Varys, Dark Link
  • Opposes: Prince Charmless
  • Opposed by: Eddard "Ned" Stark
  • Renly Baratheon is one of three children to Steffon Baratheon, and the youngest brother to King Robert Baratheon. Though lacking in the battle experience of his brother, Renly nonetheless made up for this with incredible charisma. When it became apparent that Robert Baratheon's "children" were fathered by Jaime Lannister, Renly would use the opportunity to stake his claim as king of Westeros, despite his older brother Stannis being the true heir. Now, Renly seeks to try his hand again at the War of the Five Kings, as the God of usurpers.
    • Ned Stark isn't happy to see Renly in the pantheon due to trying to usurp Stannis; Renly is considering whether he'd be better off if they united. Both will put aside their differences to stop the Lannisters, however. Robert himself was rather annoyed by Renly for not uniting with Stannis, as the Baratheons would likely be sitting on the throne by now had his brothers not squabbled.
    • Has a reputation of being an Evil Uncle due to trying to usurp Joffrey. Renly objects to this comparison, mainly because his "nephew" is an absolute psychopath and illegitimate.
  • Though a usurper, Renly Baratheon is quick to point out the royalty is full of usurpers; his brother took the crown from the Mad King, and 300 years ago the founding king Aegon the Conqueror took it by conquest. Renly admits he's a usurper, and simply believes he's the best man for the job. Many in the House of Leadership disagree, believing him to be an opportunist inexperienced to run a kingdom. Varys is particularly doesn't buy Renly's bull.
    • Used to be a follower of Scar, being a (sort of) Evil Uncle and evil brother who sought to become king. The two naturally remain allied, however due to Scar's approval ratings it's at arms length. He's more cordial to fellow younger brother Loki, due to being more charismatic and sharing Renly's fondness for green.
    • Having being clued into Lady Melisandre, the King in Highgarden has sought out fellow usurper Jafar for his sorcerer abilities. Sometimes they have a drink over serving a bumbling leader.
  • Renly Baratheon's greatest skill lies in charming and befriending allies. As such, he admires the works of Chou Chou. Given their difference in rank, Renly's not stupid enough to fight her and has instead pledged allegiance to the Undisputed God. Through serving her, Chou Chou has promised to help him gain the Iron Throne. He can also get behind Vayne's schemes, charismatic methods of conquest and fondness for green.
    • Considers Keiichi Maebara and Doctor Doom to be major political rivals in the pantheon. With the latter he's impressed by how a usurper managed to make his nation great and seeks to emulate Doom, but Doom isn't impressed by Renly. He and Keiichi are more equal and friendly in their rivalry, trying to prove who's the better charmer.
    • Renly believes he deserves to have the position of Prince Charming, and would rather apply to that trope rather than The Usurper. He is competing against Prince Eric for the title.
  • As the brother of the king, Renly Baratheon has a seat in the House of Royalty. It's not a comfy one, as many gods there give him the stink-eye for his usurper ways, and a few are concerned he might wish to take over the House of Royalty. As of now, Renly's ambitions don't extend that far, but he does concede to desiring more power in their house.
    • Not a fan of his own House, due to the image problems it gives him. Despite the negative attention he gets in the House of Royalty, he feels more comfortable there than Betrayal.
    • As with almost all royal gods, Renly finds Prince Charmless as annoying as Joffrey. Charmless found this comparison really insulting.
  • Renly lacks Robert's passions for food, drink or sex. He does share Robert's passions for tournaments and hunts however, and often can be seen chasing the creatures in the House of Beast. Like Robert he's intrigued by Xerneas, whom he's befriended as part of a scheme to seem more legitimate a successor.
  • Renly has done his best to avoid negative attention outside of his own universe, and he's been rather successful of it. He did freak out on meeting Dark Link however, seeing as how a Living Shadow killed him. He's unsure what to think about Brienne killing Stannis for Stannis assassinating him.
    • Tends to avoid the House of Fire and Electricity, as it reminds him of the Mad King's pyromania. This worry over fire, along with his contempt for Cersei, only magnified upon learning Cersei's destruction of the Great Sept and the massacre of the Tyrells. He also steers clear of the House of Slaughter due to being Afraid of Blood.
    • Renly's rather intrigued about Jon Snow being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, and a possible contender for the Iron Throne. As of now, it's not his concern.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#74571: Jul 29th 2016 at 3:49:37 PM

Yes you are fine with Moguera. No you aren't a hypocrite

Uni cat
n3xus I am the King! from Somewhere in the Mirror World Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: In season
I am the King!
#74572: Jul 29th 2016 at 4:46:02 PM

Guys I was thinking about changing Monaca Towa's current trope to Obfuscating Disability since I remember that someone also wanted to get the Bitch in Sheep's Clothing trope to someone else back then. Anyways what house she should go since she's getting a trope change? Is anyone alright with it?

edited 29th Jul '16 4:59:05 PM by n3xus

This is all Zi-O's fault!
RokuAlhazared The Emperor Of Darkness Since: Jul, 2015
The Emperor Of Darkness
#74573: Jul 29th 2016 at 5:33:57 PM

@Irene: Cersei almost shit a brick because she thought that Margaery Tyrell had ascended due to her and Irene looking the same (which in her mind shouldn't be possible after nuking the Great Sept). But Dormer!Irene likes to screw with Cersei's schemes because it amuses her. That and it reinforces what Tywin said about Cersei not being as smart as she fancies herself to be. Speaking ot Tywin, Irene sees him as a Worthy Opponent...although organizing the Red Wedding was a bit extreme for her taste.

edited 29th Jul '16 5:34:56 PM by RokuAlhazared

The One Who Crosses The Sky In Flames
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#74574: Jul 29th 2016 at 6:15:24 PM

@r-lock: I am not still really feeling this Moguerna fellow, to be honest.

@Clovis: Elder God Demonbane is not the biggest mecha in all of fiction. That could be Mars Demonbane.

Oh yeah, Roku. O guess there is no point asking if Mata Hari should have Femme Fatale Spy instead of Ada and EVA. Heck, Snake calls EVA "regular Mata Hari" one time.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Donnietu from Stockton, CA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#74575: Jul 29th 2016 at 6:15:31 PM

@shatterstar: Any idea of what symbol you are going to use for Irene Adler?

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