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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  4. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  5. If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  6. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  7. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  8. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  9. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1401: Jan 22nd 2023 at 1:53:42 AM

ALL of this week's writeups (new AND rewritesl if more come later today, I'll include them):

  • The Third Reich: Hauptsturmführer Ekart Brand and Dr. Wolfgang Mangler are two Nazi leaders overseeing the imprisonment and mass execution of hundreds of POWs. Discovering the existence of vampires, Brand survives a fight with Rayne, becoming a daywalking vampire himself; Mangler brutally tortures a vampire found among the prisoners to test their limits. Together they plan on perfecting the vampire strain, hoping to make Hitler truly immortal, with vampires ruling the Third Reich. They experiment on a prostitute who tried to give them information, turning her before eventually killing her. With Brand turning several officers, some against their will, into vampires, they nearly wipe out the resistance and capture Rayne. Mangler tortures Rayne to drain her blood, believing its "purity" will repel vampire weaknesses, planning to keep her alive as an "exhibit".
  • A Blight on Bonesborough: Philip Wittebane, aka Emperor Belos, is just as vile as in canon. Originally a Human Witch Hunter, Philip dupes a time traveling Amity into helping him meet the Collector to orchestrate genocide against the Boiling Isles. Over the centuries, Philip adopts the identity of Belos and orchestrates all of the same atrocities that his canon incarnation did. When his plan is foiled, Belos betrays the Collector before he retreats to the Human Realm and makes a deal with Amity's parents to mass produce Abomitons for Belos. Unleashing them on the Boiling Isles to cause random devastation as a test, Philip then brings them with him when he returns to the Boiling Isles to recapture all of the Coven Heads and release the Collector in exchange for recreating the eclipse needed for his draining spell, which he achieves by brutally murdering King for his Titan Blood.
  • Your Story: Bishop Ladja seeks to obtain a Zenithian spell that he can use to unleash Grandmaster Nimzo and cover the world in eternal darkness, all for his sadistic pleasure. Already having imprisoned the Zenithian Mada, Ladja kills her husband Pankraz right in front of their young son Luca, whom he spares just to hear his screams, and takes Luca and Prince Harry as his slaves. When Ladja faces Luca again ten years later, he turns him — as well as Bianca when she defies him — into stone, fully alive and aware but helpless as he takes over the entire world. Confronting Luca yet again eight years later, Ladja releases Mada just to kill her out of spite and, even while dying, rips the spell out of Mada's corpse in a last-ditch attempt at releasing Nimzo.
  • The Last Transmutation: Father is the true villain working from behind the scenes. Brought to life with Van Hohenheim's blood centuries years ago in Xerxes, Father tricked the greedy king into performing a ritual granting himself and Hohenheim all the souls in the nation. Intent on attaining godhood, Father removes all his vices to become his Homunculi "children", plotting for centuries to devour all the souls in his newfound country of Amestris to empower himself. Sponsoring a coup through his daughter Lust, Father allows General Hakuro to sow chaos before having him disposed of. Enacting his ritual, Father consumes God at the cost of all the lives in Amestris, and when Hohenheim manages to revive them, aims to kill and consume all he can to contain the power of God.
  • BB Senshi Sangokuden manga (Gathering of the Heroes; Clash of the Heroes; Battle of the War Gods): Shiba-I Sazabi is far viler than in the later anime. Becoming obsessed with the events in G Chronicles, Shiba-i sought to make the destruction of the world Mirisha a reality. To this end, Shiba-i manipulated Sousou Wing Gundam to launch a giant cannonball with enough gunpowder to engulf Mirisha in flames. After failing, Shiba-i begins to use the power of Dark Gyokuji to brainwash the soldiers of Giga Kingdom into zombie soldiers that were begging for death. Shiba-i later also summons the demon Shuu Neue Ziel to the world and sacrificed his own sons to it. When Shuu was slain, Shiba-i fused with its corpse and entered his Tenshihou form, absorbing his closest follower Kakuka who is trying to help him, ready to destroy Mirisha and recreate it in his own image. A psychopath that can't be trusted by anyone, Shiba-I has proven himself to be the greatest threat to Mirisha.
  • Original film: The Kurgan, born Vitor, was haunted by visions of his eventual destroyer, and so hunts a young Highlander named Connor MacLeod, engaging his tribe in combat and finally killing Connor's mentor before raping Connor's beloved wife Heather to sadistically bask in his victorious kill. Over the centuries, the Kurgan continues murdering and heads to New York City to battle the remaining Immortals, killing Connor's friend and wounding a bystander as he does so. Meeting Connor once again in a church, the Kurgan takes advantage of the Immortals' inability to harm one another on holy ground to mock Connor for the rape of his wife and death of his mentor while loudly blaspheming in the chapel. Kidnapping Connor's current lover Brenda, the Kurgan sadistically runs down pedestrians with his car and forces Connor to engage him in one final battle, promising to torture her if Connor does not come. A psychopathically childish warrior, the Kurgan would set the standard for future Highlander villains to come.
  • Origins: The Kurgan prequel comic: The Kurgan, born Vitor, is a savage Immortal warrior who embraced his bloodlust when he murdered his own teacher for his Quickening and power. Starting a millennia-long legacy of bloodshed, the Kurgan has ridden with countless marauding armies, slaughtering, raping, and burning all in his path. Even after the Kurgan obtained a magnificent sword to last him forever, he repaid the smith by raping and murdering his daughter, killing the smith and then deciding to "take his time" with the man's wife. Throughout the centuries, the Kurgan would continue challenging several immortals, beating them in combat and taking their heads, ready to continue murdering anyone in his path to satiate his insatiable thirst for combat.
  • Snow Blind: Kano is the leader of the Black Dragon clan and the ultimate Big Bad of the entire series. In the past, after managing to kill Kronika and take over her hourglass, Kano would rewrite history to be to his liking, for what is implied to be many times. In one timeline, he unleashes a horde of revenants onto Earth, resulting in Earthrealm becoming a barren wasteland with its few survivors scattered across remote villages. Kano installs himself as the "King" of Earthrealm and starts raiding villages one by one, killing off a majority of their inhabitants, along with anyone who so much as stands up to him, and forcing whoever was left to be a part of the Black Dragon. Kano would frequently force people in these villages to fight to the death for his own amusement; in one case, when one refused to kill the other, Kano killed her and then killed the loser, despite their expressions of gratitude. When Shang Tsung attempts to overthrow Kano, the latter brutally slaughters Shang Tsung while reveling in his kill, even using his underlings as Human Shields against Shang Tsung. When Kenshi attempts to free one of the villages Kano conquered, Kano chooses to brutally torture him before killing him, all for his twisted amusement.
  • Sonic Frontiers: The End is a cruel and powerful entity that desires to destroy all of existence out of sadistic pleasure. Having destroyed countless worlds and lives prior to the events of the series, The End eventually invades and destroys the Ancients' home planet before following the survivors to Earth, where it kills many of them before being imprisoned in Cyberspace. Many years later, The End manipulates Sonic into freeing it by having him tear down the wall between dimensions keeping it imprisoned, claiming it will help him save his friends. As Sonic progresses in his mission to save his friends, the Cyber Energy that The End has Sonic absorb starts to slowly and painfully corrupt him. Upon being freed, The End allows the Cyber Energy to fully corrupt Sonic, resulting in his mind being trapped between reality and Cyberspace, before proceeding to resume its goal of destroying all of existence. Upon being defeated, The End spitefully attempts to blow itself up in one last attempt to destroy all of existence.
  • Multiple arcs: Vassago Casals, aka PoH—Prince of Hell— was a skilled assassin who decided to enter SAO after learning one of his targets was trapped there, eagerly jumping at the opportunity to kill as many East Asian players as he pleased. PoH spread the mindset that it was acceptable to kill other players, before rallying together all of the Red Players into a single killer guild known as Laughing Coffin. After causing the deaths of hundreds, PoH decided to betray Laughing Coffin's location to the Assault Team, so that he could watch the bloodbath for his own amusement. After the clearing of SAO, Vassago returns as a mercenary working for Glowgen Defence Systems. Entering the Underworld with his boss, Gabriel Miller, to invade the Human Empire, Vassago becomes bored with idly standing around, so engages in the killing himself. Logging back in using his PoH avatar, he rallies the foreign players sent by Glowgen and manipulates them into attacking both the Underworld denizens and the defending Japanese players. Disappointed over finding a comatose Kirito, Vassago decides the best way to awaken him is to kill every single person in the Underworld.
  • The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power: Waldreg is introduced as a lowly barkeep, but is in truth a treacherous fanatic of Sauron. Believing Adar to be the coming of Sauron, Waldreg convinces half of the population of Ostirith to betray their fellow men and ally with the Orcs. Waldreg later proves his loyalty to Adar by murdering the young Rowan. Having hidden the sword of Morgoth for years so as to one day use it in Sauron's service, Waldreg swears allegiance to Adar purely for his own ambitions and uses the sword to activate Mount Doom on Adar's command, decimating the Southlands' population and terraforming the land into Mordor.
  • Metal Masters: Dr. Ziggurat is the CEO of Hades Inc. and the financial backer for the Dark Nebula. Running the prestigious HD Academy, Ziggurat puts his students through the Arrangement System, improving their blading skills at the cost of their physical and mental well-being, and takes the most successful products into Team Star Breaker, which he leads as the American representatives for the world championship. When Gan Gan Galaxy wins the tournament, Ziggurat crashes the celebration to reveal he was collecting data on the Bladers, using it to invent Spiral Force, and brainwashed Toby, Masamune and Zeo's friend, into Faust, the Blader who would generate and wield Twisted Tempo. Demonstrating the destructive potential of his energy source on innocent settlements, Ziggurat then announces his wish to sell it to the highest bidder, and is revealed to have forced Julian to join him by ruining the Konzern family name. As he is confronted by the heroes, Ziggurat boasts about his smarts and his plan's success, only for the generated Spiral Force to go into meltdown levels, leading him to realise he has failed and flee the scene, insisting the entire time that he is not to blame.
  • Summer Time Rendering: Shide, the supposed right-hand of Haine, is the true mastermind behind his master's plan to envelope the world in shadow. Actually Masahito Karikiri, Shide first used Haine when she first arrived, taking advantage of her childlike mentality by impregnating her with his offspring, before using her power to swap bodies with them to make himself immortal until the end of the world. When he learned that Haine's power were limited, Shide planned the shadow invasion of the island, killing and replacing the many denizens with shadows before feeding them to Haine, to start a ritual that sacrifices the whole island to Haine before hijacking her to destroy spacetime to fulfill his curiosity of seeing the world end, all the while taking sadistic joy in torturing his opposition in the many time loops. When cornered by Ushio and Shinpei, Shide, in a desperate attempt, turned Haine into a battery before battling them in the timeless world in a final bid to destroy time itself.
  • Uncivilized Planet, by Jiro Matsumoto: The Colonel of the Occupation rules the planet of the protagonists like a mafia boss, overseeing the drug trade and punishing resistance members with public executions, with the parents of Cookie among the many victims. The Colonel also takes advantage of desperate poor women to turn them into members of his harem, where they're constantly raped and brutalized by the Colonel and his soldiers while being given opium as the only escape from their pain, with women like Naomi having to be hospitalized as a result of overdose. When Cookie is captured after derailing a shipment, the Colonel's forces torture and rape her, with her execution being avoided only because of news of the surrender of the Colonel's faction, making the Colonel flee to preserve his stolen riches.
  • Cognetic: The entity known as Blue is a sadistic, condescending Hive Mind. Once a caveman who ate the flesh of a strange alien, Blue used his newly gained body-snatching powers to try to conquer the world, forcing his "siblings" to reduce him to a single body to protect emergent civilization. Re-emerging in the modern day, Blue possesses the bodies of multiple tourists to get to the observation deck of the Empire State Building, possessing everyone on it and having the bodies throw themselves off. When confronted by his surviving sibling Red, Blue mocks her for trying to live like a human. Expressing delight at Red being forced to fight him using her possession abilities, Blue eventually pressures her into nuking New York to stop him, only to reveal he had been building hive minds in cities across the world, and he is ready to possess the rest of humanity and call the aliens back.
  • All Quiet on the Western Front (2022): General Friedrichs is an egomaniacal, slovenly excuse for a "soldier" who believes war to be a glorious thing with which he will earn fame. From his luxurious mansion where all his needs are met, Friedrichs leads the bloody war effort against France while he whines how weak his fellow Germans are and blames "social democrats" for the ruination of society. When German and France agree to a ceasefire which will be implemented at 11 o'clock, an enraged Friedrichs refuses to go down as a "coward" and orders his entire army to make a suicidal rush against the unsuspecting French front line at 10:45, using the last fifteen minutes before the armistice to rack up as many bodies as he can. Any men who refuse to march are immediately executed by Friedrichs as traitors, and at the end of the day, Friedrich's terrible handling of the war and his army leads to pointless hundreds of deaths on both sides of the conflict.
  • Don't Worry Darling: Frank, the debonair head of the Victory Project, is a misogynist attempting to force his own view of the world "as it should be" upon the inhabitants. Allying with men who dislike the independence of the women, Frank has them implanted in a virtual reality to simulate 1950s-1960s California, with the women brainwashed into submissive wives for their husbands, only cooking, cleaning, and sleeping with the men due to most having no memory of their lives outside. When heroine Alice Chambers discovers and is rightly appalled at her consent taken from her, it is revealed Frank has any such problems conditioned and tortured by his men, with none allowed to escape Victory.
  • Killer Joe: "Killer" Joe Cooper himself is a mad detective who moonlights as a hitman. Contracted by Chris Smith and his father Ansel to kill Chris's mother Adele for insurance money, Joe forces Chris to let him take his mentally ill sister Dottie on a date when he cannot pay upfront. Intimidating Dottie into sleeping with him, Joe begins living with the Smiths and regularly uses Dottie for sex before killing Adele, only to discover the beneficiary of her insurance policy is her current partner Rex. Catching and killing Rex, Joe reveals Ansel's new wife Sharla's infidelity to him as he brutally beats and rapes her, threatening to kill the whole family lest they give Dottie to Joe in lieu of paying him.
  • Padmaavat: Alauddin Khilji is the Sultan of Delhi, who rose to power by helping his uncle Jalaluddin usurp the throne and then backstabbing him to seize power. Fueled by a rapacious lust and a desire to make any beautiful woman he sees his own, Alauddin cheats on his first wife Mehrunisa on the day of their wedding, and kills a courtier when she witnesses the act. Alauddin also uses his military campaigns as an excuse to find women he can force to join his harem, even leading the unsanctioned conquest of Devagiri just so he can make their princess his own. Alauddin later turns his attention to Chittor after hearing of Padmavati's beauty, and lures her husband Ratan Singh out under the guise of a truce so he can capture him and blackmail Padmavati into submitting to him. When Mehrunisa helps Ratan to escape, Alauddin has her condemned to his dungeon for the rest of her life. After killing Ratan with help from his right-hand man in what was supposed to be a one-on-one duel, Alauddin leads his army into Chittor to rape and plunder its people, leading the women of Chittor to self-immolate themselves to avoid such a grisly fate.
  • Red Eye: Jackson Rippner is a manipulative Psycho for Hire who murdered his own loving parents before starting a lucrative career assisting terrorists with coup d'etats and assassinations. Hired to eliminate a US Senator who is exposing his clients, Rippner arranges to blow him up along with his wife and children to send a message. Rippner stalks the hotel manager Lisa Reisert for weeks, then arranges to be on the same red eye flight as her, blackmailing her to change the Senator's room by threatening to have his associate kill Lisa's retired father. When she foils his plan, Rippner goes over to her father's house to make good on his threat, as well as attempt to kill Lisa herself.
  • The School for Good and Evil (2022): Rafal is the nefarious founder of the evil side of the School for Good and Evil. In the past, before the events of the story, Rafal murdered his kind-hearted twin brother to take his position as leader of the good side of the School for Good and Evil, and used his new position to twist and weaken the forces of good. Rafal runs both schools as a horror show where students are permanently transformed into inanimate objects or monsters if they fail their lessons, often with fatal results. Seducing and corrupting the newest student Sophie into giving him a True Love's Kiss of evil, Rafal plans to gain ultimate power through their kiss and use it to dominate his enemies. Ultimately, Rafal intends to slaughter all the inhabitants of both academies to clear away the competition and allow him to take over and allow true evil to reign across the world.
  • Smile (2022): The Smile Entity is a malevolent demon that feeds on trauma. Its modus operandi being possessing its victims and forcing a twisted smile on their faces before making them graphically kill themselves, the Smile Entity then latches itself on a witness to repeat the process. When Dr. Rose Cotter becomes its latest target, it psychologically abuses and gaslights her, including driving her to unconsciously kill her cat and giving it to her traumatized nephew as a birthday gift. When it seemed Rose successfully overcome her childhood trauma and defeated the Smile Entity, she discovers that she fell into an elaborate trap and immolates herself beginning the cycle anew with Joel as a witness.
  • Suspiria (2018): Helena Markos, the supposed "Mater Suspiriorum", is a pretender to the title and the corrupt ruler of the Markos Academy coven. When she is discovered by a dancer named Patricia Hingle, Markos curses her to an agonizing, crippled state of undeath. While targeting heroine Susanna "Susie" Bannion to steal her body, Markos engages in cruel sadism, such as the dancer Olga who is placed in a tortured state of sheer agony. Murdering Susie's friend Sara Simms as a sacrifice, Markos also tries to kill the witch Blanc, showing nothing short of relish to making her victims suffer endlessly in the worst sort of torture.
  • The Darkest Legacy: Both halves of this despicable duo are responsible for selling and trafficking psi children:
    • Joseph Moore is a wealthy businessman running for President of the United States on an anti-psi platform. Arranging terrorist attacks that kill dozens, Moore blames these attacks on psis to justify his policy on sending them to his "personal training" compound. There the children are abused and treated like animals, and can be sold to Gregory Mercer as slave soldiers.
    • Gregory Mercer is the leader of the international crime syndicate Blue Star, dealing in crimes such as assassinations and Human Trafficking. Abducting children around the world, Mercer would have them experimented on to try give them psi powers, resulting in many of them dying. Manipulating the survivors into being loyal to him, Mercer used them as a wet work team before several of them escaped. Mercer works with Moore to help arrange his terrorist attacks so he have access to more psi children so he sell them as slave soldiers.
  • Insignia trilogy: Joseph Vengerov is the CEO of Obsidian Corp., and cares about nothing but himself. Born Ivan "Vanya" Vengerov, he killed his brother and took his identity to become CEO of LM Lymer fleet, and had neural processors installed in Russian military members, resulting in them either dying or going insane. Defecting to America, Vengerov did the same thing with the American military. Vengerov sought the mysterious "ghost in the machine" by trying to have Thomas "Tom" Raines send a virus, the Yaolan "Medusa", to see if it is her, and gave Tom the choice of cooperating or freezing to death when he refused. When faced with the possibility of being facing consequences for his actions, Vengerov has the asteroid Cruithne knocked towards Earth, threatening to wipe out humanity, and then steal the credit for destroying it. Vengerov then kidnapped Tom, believing him to be the ghost, and psychologically tortured him into becoming subservient to him. Secretly having everyone in the world being given a neural processor and be bound to his will, Vengerov then started to create a list of everyone in the world he considered "unnecessary", planning on using their processors to kill them all.
  • Wednesday: Joseph Crackstone—the founder of Jericho—is a vile, puritan Witch Hunter and the darkest of all the franchise's villains. Seeking the extermination of any and all outcasts, Crackstone constantly held trials and persecuted numerous innocents—especially when he has many of them chained up in a church and then has it set on fire. Centuries after his demise at the hands of Wednesday's ancestor Goody Addams, Crackstone is resurrected by his descendant Marilyn Thornhill/Laurel Gates to destroy Nevermore Academy and all the outcasts that inhabit it. First leaving Wednesday for dead after stabbing her, Crackstone then unleashes fiery, demonic powers with the intention of incinerating all the outcasts and to continue that plague on the rest of the world as well.
  • Ren was Kylo Ren's predecessor as a leader of the Knights of Ren. A sadistic killer who recruits Knights by making them kill a person close to them, Ren leads them to kill and burn whatever they want across the galaxy. Ren assists the Crimson Dawn in causing chaos across the galaxy and bringing down the Empire by helping them to free an ancient Sith Lord. Continuing his usual activities, at one point Ren slaughters a bunch of law enforcers to recruit a Force-sensitive criminal by goading him to kill his own brother, only to kill said brother himself after the former kills a potential recruit because he isn't Force-sensitive. Eventually taking Ben Solo as his official newest recruit, Ren leads the Knights in a search for a Force artifact in the mines of Mimban. Killing all miners he took as the prisoners even after Ben extracts information from them, Ren orders the Knights to kill everyone who gets in their way. When Ben's two former friends Voe and Tay, get in their way, Ren orders Ben to kill Tay while toying with Voe. After concluding that Ben doesn't have it in him, he kills Tay himself before attempting to kill Ben as well.
  • The Cursed Crusade: Boniface de Montferrat is a high-ranking noble and a former friend of Jean de Bayle. Introduced by having his men wipe out the population of a peaceful village, Boniface later on ordered his army to lay siege at Biron Castle and kill all soldiers there. Finding out that one of his mercenaries, Denz de Bayle, was the son of Jean de Bayle, Boniface stalked him and his friend, Esteban Noviembre, overseeing them being recruited in the Fourth Crusade, as he's put in charge of it. Leading the army to several wars, Boniface searched for holy artifacts for his own plans. Afterwards ordering his men to ravage and sack Constantinople, allowing his soldiers to freely kill civilians and steal all the gold, Boniface managed to get all holy artifacts and immediately used them to painfully transform the Grecian Captain of the Guard, Tatikios Lente, into a large demon, and then had him crush Princess Theodora to death, as he announced his plans to summon a demon army from Hell to devastate the lands and conquer the world.
  • How to Build a Snowman (link): Ons'thasnou is an ancient demonic spirit that tried to destroy all life on Earth in the past, causing the Ice Age in the process. After his essence was imprisoned in a magical rock by shamans, his body turned into snow that comes back to Earth every year in hopes to free himself. Ons'thasnou was eventually released by Toby, who unknowingly transferred his essence into a snowman, and immediately tried to kill him and his mother, gleefully announcing his intention to devour humanity as soon as he regains his full power.
  • "The Fallen Idol" & "Camera Obscura": Marlon Hopgood is a prop store owner who arranged for Mark Bishop to rape the 15-year-old Jessica Hamilton, while Hopgood films the rape and works with June Ballard to blackmail Bishop. Hopgood had previously filmed other clients violating women, and later tries sexually assaulting women himself.
  • Night at the Gates of Hell: Father Friedstein is the leader of a Satanic cult who seeks to plunge the world into chaos, partnering with several people to help him open portals to Hell that will resurrect the dead. Opening a portal in a city that leads to the deaths of countless families, innocents, and even his own cult members who he makes into his zombie minions, Friedstein is last seen giving up his own life to ensure that more portals will open around the world, ensuring the apocalypse as an offering to Satan.
  • Entire game: Lyblac, daughter of the thirteenth god Galdera, is the architect of every single misfortune in the game in her bid to open up the Gate of Finis and hand the world over to Galdera for the subsequent annihilation of all humanity. Lyblac is behind the actions of nearly major villain in the game, from convincing Yvon to begin the blood crystal experiments; to running the various horrible activities of the Obsidians through Simeon; to destroying the kingdom of Hornburg and countless lives therein with Werner. Lyblac also fed off the hatred of a misanthropic orphan named Ceraphina, twisting her into a psychotic cultist whom Lyblac eventually disposes of after using her to find a host for Galdera. Lyblac relentlessly hounds the Crossford lineage in her attempt to have them bear Galdera's essence; when Graham Crossford escapes her clutches, Lyblac turns him into a mindless monster with just enough lucidity to feel perpetual torment at his condition. Lyblac is described as a lethal poison by her own uneasy allies, a witch truly worthy of the epithet "Daughter of the Dark God".
  • 64 & Adventures: Andross was responsible for experiments that destroyed a good chunk of the Cornerian capital city and rendered multiple worlds in the Lylat system uninhabitable. Banished to the planet Venom, Andross took it over while building his own army. When the time was right, Andross launched a vicious campaign on Lylat, having his forces attack civilian populations and aiming to exterminate life on entire worlds. When he faced Fox McCloud, whose father Andross had killed years ago, Andross was apparently destroyed, only to survive in the form of a spirit who fled to Dinosaur Planet, later named Sauria. Manipulating events there, Andross engineered his own resurrection and transformation into a near deity, forcing Krystal into tortuous imprisonment and facilitating General Scales's plans, which threaten the entire planet. At the climax of Adventures, Andross kills Scales and opts to destroy the entire Lylat system.
  • Inspector Sun and the Curse of the Black Widow: The Red Locust is the leader of a gang of locusts known for wreaking havoc in the bug world, with Janey's family among the victims of his rampages. With his swarm depleted due to the efforts of his Arch-Enemy, Inspector Sun, the Red Locust hires scientist Dr. Spindlethorp to create a hybrid bug monster, Vatchu, to create a new, more powerful swarm. When Spindlethorp rejects the Red Locust's plans and attempts to flee in a seaplane, the Red Locust has Vatchu murder him and steal his formula to turn her into a queen, while having her dispose of any other liabilities. Upon revealing himself, the Red Locust has Vatchu transform all the passengers aboard the seaplane into his monstrous swarm and sets them loose to devastate the world.
  • Wendell & Wild: Lane and Irmgard Klaxon are the devious CEOs of Klax Corp. Already mass murderers before the film even begins, the Klaxons burned down a brewery full of innocent people in order to bankrupt the town of Rust Bank, prefacing their plans to demolish the abandoned town and replace it with a private prison system. When the one living witness to their plan suggests he might talk out, the Klaxons immediately brain him with a golf club and toss him in a pond to drown. The Klaxons seek to make a profit by deliberately destroying the futures of hundreds of children, setting them up to fail in a crooked education system to ensure they inevitably end up in the private prison. The Klaxons are portrayed with fewer humanizing qualities than literal soul-torturing demons, ordering their own daughter killed and even turning on each other when their plans go south.
  • New Vegas Bounties: Jacob Powers is a violent ghoul supremacist who is attempting to build an army to conquer the Wasteland. Killing all adult humans he encounters, Powers has human children locked in a cage with nuclear waste in order to mutate them into ghouls to add to his army, which more often than not kills them. Powers employs liberal use of beatings, sleep deprivation, and brainwashing broadcasts to break his "recruits" down into loyal soldiers. To ensure none of his soldiers sympathize with the captives, Powers allows them to rape human women before killing them in order to devalue humans in their eyes. Even among a cast of killers, slavers, rapists, and torturers, Jacob Powers proves to be the very worst of the Wasteland.
  • The Swan Princess fanfic Rise of the Forbidden Arts (link): The Dark Lord Sargon, was the firstborn son of King William who discovered the Forbidden Arts and was consumed by his lust for power. Sargon would use the Forbidden Arts to murder a group of attacking bandits and then attempt to kill and usurp his father when the latter objected to his use of the Forbidden Arts. When William banishes Sargon, Sargon is able to take over the ship of pirates attacking him by murdering the captain. Sargon would begin to amass an army, conquering many kingdoms and villages, killing off the majority of its people, and leaving anyone who survived wishing they had died. To take revenge for his banishment, Sargon would wage a war against his father's kingdom, leading to thousands of people being killed on both sides, including Uberta's husband. After being pushed away from the kingdom, Sargon would lay low and start rebuilding his forces, one of which was the undercover Rothbart. Sargon would order Rothbart to murder Sargon's father, which he is able to do. Many years later, Sargon would attack Odette's kingdom and then attempt to absorb her soul to achieve immortality, but after realizing she is pregnant, he decides to leave and return one day to absorb the soul of her child.
  • OMORI fanfic Hands: Mari is a far cry from her good-hearted canon incarnation. When Mari was old enough, she began to repeatedly molest her own brother Sunny to "relieve" stress, horribly traumatizing him. When Sunny got his own violin, Mari decided to make her own recital in a duet with Sunny just so she could sexually abuse him further. When Sunny smashed his violin due to not taking Mari's criticisms and sexual abuse anymore, she attempted to rape him, even slapping the boy when he tried to resist, all while planning to make the rape as painful as possible. Further flashbacks show that Mari also planned to prey on Basil and possibly Aubrey too; the former by taking him to "take pictures with her".
  • Tavern of Spear: The chameleon is a cruel shapeshifter. For no reason other than their own amusement, they attempt to instigate a war between the bull and lizard tribes by kidnapping their children and framing the other for it, and depending upon Eyvind's actions, one of their villages can be wiped out and everyone in it killed. When Thane manages to track the kids down, the chameleon will attack and nearly kill him, and should Eyvind retrace his footsteps, he'll hear their cries and find them all in cages, with one skin and bones and barely hanging on. The chameleon will then approach Eyvind, disguised as Thane, to get Eyvind to drop their guard to attack him when his back is turned, at which point they'll reveal their true self and sadistically tell Eyvind that once they've killed him, they're going to do the same to all his friends while wearing his face. If he should lose to them in the ensuing battle, the chameleon will rape him, then use their blood to painfully twist his bones and contort his body into a different form before cutting out his tongue. Then, out of pure sadism, after disguising themself as him, they will kill Eyvind in front of his friends, having fooled them into believing he's a monster.
  • The Death of Russia: Alexander Barkashov and Aleksandr Dugin are the true power behind the Nashist movement. After Alexander Nevzorov's Nashists seize control of Petrograd, Dugin would influence Nevzorov's politics in an increasingly ultranationalist direction while Barkashov exerts greater influence within the Nashist government. Under Barkashov's influence, the Nashists would instigate multiple genocides in the areas they control using chemical weapons, set up rape camps for captured women, and hold the Finns and Karelians in Karelia as hostages in exchange for food. Inspired by The Turner Diaries, Barkashov's most horrific action was Plan Zass, a plan to use nukes to both destroy the Stalinists and wipe out all non-Slavs from Russia. This plan was supported enthusiastically by Dugin under the belief that it would pave the return of the Hyperboreans to Russia and the start of the "Final War" against the West. Plan Zass would see the deaths of 35 million Russians and the complete eradication of entire ethnic groups. When NATO intervenes in Russia in the aftermath of Plan Zass, Barkashov would launch nukes at NATO in an effort to drag the world down with him.
  • Twig:
    • The Baron Richmond is the pinnacle of the Crown's depravity. Infamous for regularly unleashing his psychotic twin sisters to cause indiscriminate slaughter, the Baron is introduced gleefully participating in the complete extermination of the city of Lugh, only relenting with the promise of immortality from marrying Candida "Emily" Gage and Mauer's vow to assassinate his political enemies. In his spare time, the Baron rules tyrannically over the city of Warrick, killing whomever he pleases and filling churches with nailed-down and starved corpses of the faithful. When families are formed, the Baron takes their firstborn children to be auctioned off on the Block, replacing them with monstrous overseers whom he tells the parents are the firstborn transformed; said "Firstborn" are designed to fly into a rage and attack everyone in sight at the slightest hint of a conflict. To celebrate his marriage to his tortured bride, the Baron invites several upper-class families to Warrick, intentionally putting them and all of his subjects in danger of the Hair-Trigger Temper of the Firstborn should minor conflicts inevitably arise. Taking pride in his spiteful cruelty, the Baron happily throws away countless lives and backstab anyone he can to attain the true power he craves.
    • The Lord Infante is introduced late in the series as the face of the Crown's atrocities in the Big Bad Ensemble. Fully complicit in the Block, where children are trafficked to either be used for experiments or be painfully transformed into the next generation of amoral Nobles, the Infante is also responsible for laying judgment on regions the Crown cannot control, having condemned a half-dozen other territories to genocide so that Crown loyalists can reclaim and repopulate them centuries later. When the rebel and plague-filled Crown States become too troublesome to manage, the Infante begins efforts to abandon the continent by directing the spread of the Ravage plague; using Black Wood to wipe out all organic matter; and releasing Tender Mercies to hunt down survivors. Falling in love with the taste of "total abandon" caused by the war, the Infante plots to wipe out the Lambs and their allies by forcing the Duke of Francis and his professors to march to their deaths on the threat of sending everyone they love to the Crown's pits, before personally infecting the loyal Crown armies duped by Sylvester with the plague for their unwitting betrayal. A monstrous antithesis to God, the Infante unflinchingly embraces his destructive purpose, madly seeking to prove the superiority of the Crown overall.
    • Dyed in the Wool & Black Sheep arcs: John Colby, aka "The Devil of Corinth", is the premier crime lord of Corinth. A warmonger who sold chemicals to both sides of conflicts, the Devil carved a bloody niche into the criminal underworld by visiting wildly disproportionate torture and murder onto any perceived disrespect or failure. Colby's signature business is peddling a drug that causes long-term damage to its users' bodies and polarizes their personalities, leaving them subdued one moment and magnifying their worst traits into bloodthirsty violence the next. When Sylvester demands recompense for the countless lives he's ruined—especially from the children he preys on and regularly traffics—the Devil responds by organizing mass attacks against the city's children and leaving bombs at a train station for the other Lambs. When faced with defeat, the Devil reveals he's bought entire wagons full of children from other cities to be "creatively" disposed of and has bounty hunters ready to wipe out all his enemies and associates, happily intending to take everyone else down with him.
  • Stoneheart (link): Aponi, a slain witch whose spirit continues to linger, initially presents herself as an overzealous protector of the innocent, before showing herself as a vicious and controlling entity. When awakened, she'd attach herself to a victimized woman, punishing abusers or anyone who commits the smallest slight; Aponi would sadistically slaughter them, before discarding her host. When called upon to rescue an abused teenager named Rebecca, Aponi kills her victimizers, before becoming abusive and parasitic towards Rebecca; relentlessly tormenting Rebecca with visions of violence and forcing her to Self-Harm, while pushing her to continue killing for her. As Rebecca becomes more resistant, it's revealed that the support group Rebecca attends serve Aponi to find a suitable host; due to Rebecca's "failure", Aponi has twins Abigail and Jessica torture her. When Rebecca stands up to her, Aponi kills her, sneering that she's like the "others". Aponi then takes Jessica as a new host, having Jessica kill her sister as a show of loyalty.
  • "Starlight Escape": King Herod was a paranoid and temperamental tyrant who ruled over Israel. After being informed of the birth of the new King in Bethlehem by the traveling Magi, Herod tries to manipulate them into finding the child for him in order to kill the latter. After the Magi don't return with the location of the child, Herod spitefully orders his army to kill every male child under in Bethlehem under 2 years old.

Edited by ACW on Jan 22nd 2023 at 4:54:15 AM

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#1402: Jan 22nd 2023 at 3:40:45 AM

[tup] Ahk-Ton, Kargarh, Crimson Witch and Destroyer, Jed Walker and Olive Raffaeli, Richie Hoarderson

[tdown] Tyrian, Miriam

As for Kevin, unless I missed someone, he got 7 [tup] (Lore, Wet, Ordeaux, Library, Forgo, G, Geode) and 3 [tdown] (Me, Sghhrv6ub and Duck Of Doom). You need 5 five more [tup] than [tdown], so if I got the right count, he doesn't pass.

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#1403: Jan 22nd 2023 at 3:45:58 AM

Would anyone be fine if I changed this.

  • Origninal: Simon Carver is the reverend of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft; These people would then get executed in horrific ways with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. Carver would then accuse Mary of being a witch and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being burned alive.

And make it this.

  • Little Hope: Simon Carver is the reverend of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then executed in horrific ways with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. Carver would then accuse Mary of being a witch and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being burned alive.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#1404: Jan 22nd 2023 at 4:03:34 AM

The three day waiting period is over and he got approved, so here's my entry for Oswyn Puschinske.

The Dark Eye: The Archmage Oswyn Puschinske is the headmaster of the Hall of Power who wishes to establish a continent-wide Magocracy and lord over the rest of the population. To achieve his goal he places a Night Soul inside the leader of the Grey Guild and plans to turn him into a living bomb at the largest gathering of mages on the continent to cripple the Mage Guilds and kill everyone who could oppose him. Afterwards he intends to plant another Night Soul inside the Empress of the Middenrealm to rule the nation from the shadows. When the Nigh Soul inside the guild leader got exposed before he can set his plan in motion, he attempts to have it kill all witnesses by causing a magical catastrophe that would destroy one third of a city. When he's eventually confronted by the Player Characters he proudly explains his plans to them in an attempt to stall for time, while he secretly takes over the minds of their allies and orders them to kill the Player Characters.

His placement on the page is a bit tricky. He has been around long before every other CM except Xeraan. So it makes sence to put him between Xeraan and Rhazzazor. But as I said in the EP, he was only a footnote in the setting before his most recent appearance where he committed not only his most notable crimes but was also killed off at the end of the adventure. Therefore, putting him at the end of the list below Aarbilar makes sense, too. I leave it up to you ACW. smile

Funny little trivia: Puschinske was my first Dark Eye candidate who had a last name. Guess in this setting having Only One Name drastically increases your chances of being a CM.

Edited by NTG on Jan 22nd 2023 at 4:03:50 AM

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#1406: Jan 22nd 2023 at 4:22:07 AM

[up][up]Think I'll put him at the end. Mind adding him to the Drafts?

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#1410: Jan 22nd 2023 at 6:09:57 AM

So uh everybody cool with my fix for Carver?

Haven't got an opinion on it yet.

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#1412: Jan 22nd 2023 at 6:24:57 AM

Yeah, Looks way better to me

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#1413: Jan 22nd 2023 at 6:31:55 AM

The tweek looks great Mir

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#1414: Jan 22nd 2023 at 6:53:45 AM

  • Oswyn Puschinske is the headmaster of the Hall of Power who wishes to establish a continent-wide Magocracy and lord over the rest of the population. To achieve this goal, Puschinske places a Night Soul inside the leader of the Grey Guild and plans to turn him into a living bomb at the largest gathering of mages on the continent to cripple the Mage Guilds and kill everyone who could oppose him. Afterwards, Puschinske intends to plant another Night Soul inside the Empress of the Middenrealm to rule the nation from the shadows. When the Night Soul inside the guild leader got exposed before he could set his plan in motion, Puschinske attempts to have it kill all witnesses by causing a magical catastrophe that would destroy one third of a city. When he's eventually confronted by the Player Characters, Puschinske proudly explains his plans to them in an attempt to stall for time, while he secretly takes over the minds of their allies and orders them to kill the Player Characters.

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#1415: Jan 22nd 2023 at 7:16:18 AM

Okay I've got a few candidates I got to discuss. Let's start with two from a show that I meant to cover this year but couldn't due to the pages being locked, but now with the proposal threads open I can do the. From the show Blood & Treasure so lets talk about it.

What’s The Work?

Blood & Treasure is an American Action-Adventure Drama that centers on a Danny McNamara, a brilliant antiquities expert and Lexi Vaziri, a cunning art thief, who team up to catch the ruthless terrorist, Karim Farouk, who funds his attacks through stolen treasure. That all in Season 1 where Karim Farouk, aka Simon Hardwick does not qualify for this trope being a Magnificent Bastard.

Season 2 on the other had may feature two possible candidates for this trope (this EP will be discussing the first candidate) where Danny and Lexi once again team up to stop another international terrorist, The Great Khan from using an ancient artifact, The Spirit Banner of Genghis Khan for their own evil plans. That said there are two people that have used the name, The Great Khan, one of whom serves as The Heavy for the other and also happens to be my candidate, Batu.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

Batu is The Heavy for season 2 serving as the acting Great Khan on the behalf of Violet, the true Great Khan and Big Bad of Season 2, where he would command Violet’s army and use them to attack countless areas throughout the world in his pursuit of the Spirit Banner, leading to countless casualties and bloodshed throughout with Batu’s attack on the Vatican leading to at least 8 people getting killed.

Batu would also retrieve Simon Hardwick who was being held captive in an Irish Prison, where Batu would force Simon to work for him threatening with death and torture should Simon fail him, where Batu actually brands Simon against his will when he thought that Simon was planning against him. He also shows this similar cruelty to his soldiers feeding one of them to crocodiles when they failed him with it being a regular punishment Batu orders to any who fails him.

As the season progresses Batu has his army attack more areas across the world leading to many deaths such as the wife of Danny’s contact, Andrei Levchenko, before killing Andrei at a later point, and would also steal a nuclear bomb at a Russian facility with plans of using it to kill millions to assert his might, and would have a group of white hat hackers killed so that they would become a threat to Batu and Violets plans.

We would later learn that Batu wants find the Spirit Banner of Genghis Khan because he believe that it contained a deadly virus that would kill off anyone who doesn’t have the Khan’s DNA while believing he won’t get killed because he has the Khan’s DNA with Batu’s plan to create a Master Race by unleashing the virus throughout the world so that everyone but those from the Khan’s lineage will be killed off so that he may rule over them.

However before Batu could enact on his genocidal plan one of his goons decided to kill him, becoming sick of Batu’s Bad Boss tendencies, while attempting to take over the Great Khan’s army. That’s when Violet killed said good reveals herself as the Great Khan and true Big Bad, while later revealing that there is no virus failed but used the legend that there was to cause world panic for her own plans, while planning to use the nuclear bomb Batu stole to nuke Hong Kong, killing millions there, fortunately she’s stopped by Danny and Lexi.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualties?

All that was known about Batu was that he joined forces with Violet serving as the acting Great Khan while Violet was the Man Behind the Man, but it is never shown at any point that Batu was genuinely loyal to Violet only deciding to work with her for his own gain because he believed that he was superior over everyone else by having the bloodline of Genghis Khan

Not to mentioned that Batu wanted to prove his superiority by finding a Virus he thought to be true and unleash on the world, all to kill off everyone lacking the Kahn’s DNA and create a Master Race which he plans to rule over. So yeah his goals and alliance to Violet are entirely self-serving with no well-intentions for sympathy whatsoever and treats his on subordinates horribly, killing any torturing any who remotely displeases him.

Heinousness

While the real Big Bad of Season 2 is Violet whose real plan is to use the myth of a Virus to cause global panic so that everyone will be too distracted stop her from stealing trillions of dollars while planning to nuke Hong Kong to cover her tracks, she does some militating factors that prevents her from counting and I actually plan to EP her as a Magnificent Bastard (she had a sympathetic backstory of growing in the slums of Hong Kong while sharing a friend with Lexi).

Batu on the other hand has no such excuse or redeeming qualities and by serving as The Heavy until his death, his atrocities are shown throughout, having his men attack numerous places around the world, such as the Vatican City and a Russian facility, and kill countless people throughout his rampages, feeding his men to crocodiles if they fail him, branding Simon Hardwick when the latter tries making a move against him, killing a group of white-hat hackers, while planning to unleashing a virus to kill off everyone but himself and those who have the Khan’s DNA (thankfully it’s revealed that the virus doesn’t exist but still) and the nuke that Violet plans to use on Hong Kong Batu retrieved it for her. There is one other candidate but where it stands, Batu definitely stands out.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave it to you guys

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#1416: Jan 22nd 2023 at 7:29:05 AM

Seems like a yes. He made concrete steps to unleash the virus, which is enough even if it doesn't exist (similar to Ehrhardt).

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#1418: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:10:20 AM

[tup] for Batu. After the description of the plot of Season 1 I certainly didn’t not expect that Season 2 would involve bad guys stealing nuclear weapons. How are they going to top THAT in a hypothetical Season 3? evil grin

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#1419: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:21:53 AM

Okay here's my second candidate from Blood & Treasure, Dr. Orlov.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

Doctor Orlov was a doctor from the Soviet Union who was stationed in a bio-weapon facility Kazakhstan called Aralsk-7, and was in charged of creating a genocidal Virus that would kill anyone with Genghis Khan’s DNA. To his end Orlov obtain the Spirit Banner of Genghis Khan to extract the Khan’s DNA and mixed with various viruses.

Afterwards he would test his virus on innocent children that he had kidnapped throughout Kazakhstan and brought to his facility resulting in these children getting severely ill, deformed, and eventually die as a result of Orlov’s horrific experiments on him, much to the apathy of Orlov as his only concern was creating a genocidal virus.

The Vatican would eventually learn about Dr. Orlov and all the horrific experiment that he conducted on innocent children and his plans on creating a virus that could wipe anyone who may have even the smallest traces of the Khan’s DNA so the allied with the CIA and infiltrated Orlov’s facility and kill the Mad Scientist and took his research and the Spirit Banner.

Despite Orlov’s death his legacy still lived on in the present as this creates the legend that a virus was created (which is back up by the fact that Batu’s army may have found Orlov’s research when they raided the Vatican) which Batu planned to use to wipe out anyone that doesn’t share the Khan’s DNA.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

All that’s known about Orlov was that he was a genocidal racist who tried to create a Virus to wipe out a certain ethnical bloodline and conducted horrific experiments on innocent children to accomplish this, all while showing no care or remorse that all of these children ended of dying because of Orlov’s treatment of them. So yeah nothing regarding an excuse or redeeming qualities for Orlov.

Other Militating Factors?

Now Orlov is already long by the time that Danny and Lexi infiltrated his facility but we see photographs of Orlov, all the bodies throughout the facility and evidence of what Orlov had done to his victims that I think we can count this onscreen. It also helped that we recently had approved multiple posthumous villain so long as there is evidence of their villainy shown onscreen (Henry Avery from Uncharted 4 being one such example)

Heinousness

For a dead guy who showed up in one episode (Mystery at Poison Island), Orlov has committed some unique atrocities that allows him to stand out such as killing countless children through his twisted experimentation on them all to engineer and unleash a genocidal virus to kill off everyone who has the Khan’s bloodline.

This leads to the possibility of the Spirit Banner containing a potential Virus leading to the actions committed by villains Batu and Violent, making Orlov a major catalyst to the events that has transpired throughout season 2 and a lot of deaths that came out of that.

Final Verdict

I’ll leave it to you guys.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1420: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:22:35 AM

Okay, with Richie...seems like late in the game there's aliens who want to destroy Earth, and even if they don't count (they think humans enjoy killing each other), they jack up the heinous standard/

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#1421: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:26:17 AM

Thought this whole bad guy never appearing in person wasn't supposed to apply to live action works?

I sincerely remembered we agreed to that.

Edit: [tup]Batu though.

Edited by miraculous on Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:26:34 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#1422: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:29:31 AM

Yes to Batu, no to Orlov

I would also ask people not to do two EP's on the same page, it's discourteous to others when we have a limit of only 4 a page/hour

Edited by Lightysnake on Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:32:34 AM

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#1423: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:40:06 AM

Seriously I had no idea about that rule being made. What would be the difference between a villain whose evidence is shown onscreen but the villain himself isn't seen in live-actions works (there are pictures of Orlov and his corpse his shown in the facility) vs. a villain whose evidence is shown onscreen but the villain himself isn't seen in non-live action works (I don't know if this rule applies to video games since Henry Avery from Uncharted 4 isn't seen in flashbacks aside, only appearing as a corpses yet he's able to pull through )

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1424: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:42:05 AM

If we see pictures of him and his corpse, that's enough onscreen IMO.

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#1425: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:42:36 AM

Tbh I would down vote this guy anyway. The Ep has not mentioned any personality whatsoever. Its describing deeds and a plan sure but not like anything to be a character.

Edited by miraculous on Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:53:34 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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