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I've decided to start a cleanup thread for Narm, since it seems to attract a lot of misuse and complaining. Like I said in my ATT post, "some misuse is easy to catch (e.g. saying a joke is Narm when Narm by definition can't be a joke), a lot of examples fall into grey areas that seem like misuse but it's hard to tell. Like nitpicks that at first glance seem to be valid examples, but feel like stretches the more you think about them."

I think one of the main reasons for misuse is that most people aren't clear on what Narm actually is. To my understanding, it's when a scene is intended to be dramatic, but comes off as cheesy/funny unintentionally. But going by the page description, it's kind of vague what actually qualifies something as Narm. At the top, it says "Narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but due to either over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive Melodrama, or the sheer absurdity of the situation, the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny." But then later on in the same page, it gives a much more vague definition:

In CGI movies or video games unrealistic movements or facial expressions may result in Narm. Dated special effects during dramatic scenes can cause Narm for younger audience members who were raised on nothing less convincing than the Phantom Menace. Totally Radical dialog in cartoons or commercials pandering to children can also be a rich source of Narm. Even a good performance in a bad movie can evoke Narm if the actor's performance isn't enough to save the scene.
That last sentence I feel just confuses the whole thing. It makes it sound like absolutely anything can count as Narm, no matter if it works in context or not.

Most often, Narm is misused to mean "anything I personally don't think worked," whether or not it was intended as dramatic or comes off as funny. And when a work is high-profile enough, hoo boy, pretty much every scene is Narm to somebody. You can look at the Narm subpages for Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Game of Thrones and find tons of examples of people nitpicking the tiniest of details in a scene and blowing whatever it is out of proportion.

Another problem is that since it's such a subjective trope, it's not clear if there's supposed to be any sort of in-fandom consensus on the example in-question, or if every example is valid under the "it's called YMMV for a reason" excuse, even if the only person who thinks the example is Narm is the troper who adds it in.

I think it needs to be clearer whether nitpicks are valid examples of Narm, especially since nitpicking overlaps so often with barely-disguised complaining. The most frequent offenders for Narm entries I see are complaining, nitpicking, adding jokes, and ZeroContextExamples. I'm going to use Venom (2018) as an example, with my comments in bold:

  • The scene of Eddie freaking out on the medical table is presented as the teaser's Money-Making Shot. It... doesn't quite work as intended, which isn't helped by it being sped up, making it look like a parody.
    • The final trailer features a more complete version of the clip showing Venom's face "shutter" over Eddie. Whether or not this works or if it looks like a cheap special effect depends on who you ask.
    • What makes the freakout even more narmful is that Eddie's screams are different screams playing on top of each other. The actual film lacks this strange effect. This example seems fine to me, but falls into the "The trailer is Narmy but the finished product isn't" doublespeak.
  • The leaked trailer revealed some pretty terrible lines (“The guy you work for is an evil person.”). Tom Hardy's horrible New York...ish(?) accent isn't doing the delivery any favors either. And it really does not help that his voice cracks on the reading of "evil person". Thankfully, that line is not in the film proper. Do we keep examples that are purely in the trailers? Also an example of "thing falls flat" instead of "thing is funny."
    • Hardy's line reading of "You're not real, you are just in my head." sounds like he's suffering from Elmuh Fudd Syndwome. At worst, he sounds like Adam Sandler's signature Manchild babbling. However there's some speculation that, based on the context of the scene and Eddie's stumbling movements, he's actually drunk, or perhaps even overdosed on medication (considering he was seen taking a bunch of pills, thinking he's sick). That and it could be a case of Reality Ensues, as it's unlikely anyone would keep the mental clarity to speak normally as an alien parasite is slowly bonding with their body. Natter. Goes back and forth between snarky complaints and defending the moment. Also nitpicking.
    • Movie trailers cutting quotes out of context to form a new sentence is nothing new, but the editing on the line "you will only hurt bad people" is particularly poor, and it's very easy to hear that the line has been cut together out of separate pieces of dialogue. Not really a dramatic thing, so I don't think it counts as Narm. And it definitely isn't funny, it just falls flat.
    • How Jenny Slate's character pronounces "symbiote" note . Plus, her giving firm, equal stress to all three syllables like she's speaking some foreign language. Luckily, this was cut from the theatrical release. Nitpicking and not funny.
    • The shot of Eddie crashing straight through a half-fallen tree in the forest that he could just as easily have ducked under comes across as more comedic than cool, as if they just needed an additional gratuitous shot of something breaking. Especially if your mind goes to Victor from Wet Hot American Summer and his inexplicable refusal to jump over anything. It really does not help that the evil bad-guy vehicle chasing him looks like a slightly modified golf cart. The context for this one in the movie is that Venom is taking control of his body and forcing him to blindly flee through the woods to escape the Life Foundation. Context makes it not-Narm. Cut?
    • Although it may look better in the context of the full scene, Eddie flying 50 feet into the air on his motorcycle off a slightly steep hill seems to rather severely break the laws of physics. Clearly written before the movie came out. Cut?
  • The Jump Scare (on both sides of the fourth wall) where Venom suddenly shouts Eddie's name as he brushed his teeth would have been much more scary if not for the fact that the latter Screams Like a Little Girl. There's also the fact that he somehow throws himself backwards so hard that he crashes into the bathroom wall. Intended as comedic, so it isn't Narm.
  • Remember how creepy and awesome that shot from the second trailer of the symbiote forming around Eddie's face in order to eat a guy was? In the third trailer, the potential Nightmare Fuel of that moment is significantly undercut by Venom slobbering all over the man's face with its tongue in an amusingly over-the-top manner. One is reminded of the scene with Patrick licking the yellow popsicle, or perhaps "This is the taste of a liar".... This seems pretty in-character for Venom. I'm not sure with this one.
    • The guy who Carlton Drake subjects to Orifice Invasion in the third trailer would have been disturbing, if not for the victim's bland expression. Moment that falls flat; not funny. Cut.
    • The symbiote's Venom-face forming on the end of Eddie's arm to talk to him strongly resembles a deranged hand puppet rather than a vicious alien parasite. There's also the fact that they can communicate telepathically, making that sequence unnecessary. Seems fine.
    • Venom's violent threats to his enemies are this if they're not aggressively tasteless Black Comedy. His threat to mutilate a man until he's "like a turd on the wind" is particularly groan-inducing, especially coming after a genuinely frightening threat. How It Should Have Ended was even driven by this to make a video on just the trailer for the very first time, in which he mangles a bunch of other sayings. Pretty sure they are intended as comedy, so it's not Narm. Cut.
  • The animation of the yellow symbiote just looks like mozzarella cheese come to life. Nitpick. Also... inaccurate? It's more of a mucus yellow.
  • After Venom heals Eddie's broken legs, he flatly states "My legs! They were broken... and now they're not broken..."
  • "HOSPITAL!!!! (extremely long pause) Now!" Zero-Context Example.
  • Eddie and Anne quite casually discussing cannibalism as one of the symbiote's favorite activities. It's something that would probably sincerely shock and disgust the average person and likely require therapy, and yet it's bandied about like it's a pretty normal occurrence. These kinds of entries are tricky to me. They seem valid at first glance, but there's something off about them. I don't think this one counts if the work itself is treating the moment lightly.
  • Any menace from Cletus Kasady is completely undercut by Woody Harrelson's truly ridiculous wig. A common comparison is that it causes him to look like a live-action Sideshow Bob, or a make-up-less Pennywise. Uses complainy word-choice. Otherwise fine.
  • Kasady promising that there will be "carnage" after he gets out is so on-the-nose that it feels like it's straight out of a parody. First off, that's not an example of Anvilicious. Secondly, this verges on a nitpick to me. I'm not sure. It's not really funny, just lame.
  • The final trade of words between Venom and Riot before the final battle is nothing but total Ham-to-Ham Combat - that and the two symbiotes happen to be Perpetual Smilers, which just gives off the feeling that they don't really give that much of a damn about their goals.
    Riot: Venom...Get in the rocket!
    Venom: No! We won't let you destroy this world!
    Riot: Then die!
Nitpicking?
  • Towards the end of the film, it's revealed that Venom used to be something of a loser on his home planet, like Eddie. This is his entire reason for wanting to save the Earth. Moment played as a joke, so it isn't Narm.
  • Despite angrily forcing Eddie to spit out cooked meats because they're no longer living animals, the symbiote develops a taste for tater tots, and it practically demands that Eddie buy some during a conversation in the ending. The director admitted in an interview that the writers just thought it was funny and put it in the script. It unfortunately invites comparisons to a similar tots-focused scene in Napoleon Dynamite as a result. Entry admits it's a joke. So it isn't Narm.
  • Drake having bonded with Riot is treated as a huge shocking twist going into the final battle... except for the fact that the audience was already well aware of it and saw the whole process. It feels very much like a consequence of Executive Meddling to give Riot more screentime. Another tricky example. Seems to fall under "scene doesn't work" instead of "scene is funny."
  • Right after Eddie is separated from the symbiote, a rather obvious ADR overdub replaces the intended "fuck you" with the much less vicious "we're done". Not really funny, just falls flat.
  • Eddie's "DRAKE! STOP!" sounds less like he's in pain and more like a little kid telling his Big Brother Bully to stop giving him a wedgie. Nitpicking. Most people wouldn't even pay this sequence any mind.

Another issue with Narm is the distinction between moments that are unintentionally funny on their own, and moments that are only unintentionally funny after Memetic Mutation or similar feat. Does the latter truly count as Narm? Because you can make the case that everything that has ever been made can fall under that.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:06:31 AM

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#1901: Oct 9th 2022 at 6:26:18 AM

Bringing up the following examples from Narm.Gundam:

  • In one of the earlier episodes, it seems like almost every character adds 'in space' to almost everything they say.
  • Duke Dermail looks like the bastard child of George Washington and Colonel Sanders. Everyone else from the Romefeller Foundation looks like they just came from a Society for Creative Anachronisms convention.
  • "GET HIM WITH THE CANCER!" (It's the name of a mobile suit named after the zodiac sign, but...)
  • Episode 4 has Treize enjoying a nice rose bath like the Man of Wealth and Taste he is...except the water itself is drawn so Off-Model and bubbly that it instead looks as if he's bathing in popcorn. What a guy.
  • The Endless Waltz version of Wing Zero. If you don't consider it to be one of the coolest looking mobile suits to ever come out of the Gundam franchise then the fact that it has literal shining white angel wings that flap in flight and molt feathers will put it in Narm territory instead.

  • After War Gundam X brings us Garrod Ran, the boy who says, "TIFFA! I BELIEVE IN GOD!" Not a bad line, given the context; but the voice acting is so hilariously over-exuberant that it inspires laughter.
    • Also, when firing off his BFG (pick either version of the Satellite Cannon), he screams the word "HA SHAAAAA!!!!!" in a hilariously high-pitched voice.

  • Applicable to the original Japanese-language versions of both Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny: Kira Yamato's soul-rending attempts at crying, which produce a sound that words cannot describe, though the top-rated YouTube comment on that video has best described it (to the best of mankind's ability, anyways) as the voice of SpongeBob SquarePants. It's seriously wince-inducing. Tom Kenny crying impressions seem to be a problem with Soichiro Hoshi in general, since it's also present in his work as Keiichi in Higurashi: When They Cry. There's also the movie version, also by Hoshi, for comparison.
    • There's a considerable difference with the crying from the Gundam Vs Series, he has less of a gargling pitch. It's toned down, but it's still hard to take seriously, and to avoid wincing over something that can easily be mistaken for gargling, gagging, and choking. It is especially jarring when he breaks down after a WIN.
  • Just try saying the name Mu La Flaga with a straight face. You will utterly fail!

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#1902: Oct 9th 2022 at 8:03:01 AM

[up]

  • General and not played for drama.
  • General
  • Low context
  • Eh...? Maybe it would just fit an Off-Model entry better. Also not played for drama.
  • I think this is general?
  • I guess fine
    • I guess fine
  • Could probably be rewritten to be less complainy.
    • Same as above
  • General

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#1903: Oct 9th 2022 at 8:50:31 AM

Bringing up the following examples from The Beast of Hollow Mountain:

  • Narm:
    • The fact that the dinosaur's tongue flails about erratically like it had too much coffee and topped it off with some Pixie Stix for good measure before filming really takes the fearsomeness out of an already ridiculous-looking monster.
    • Not many people can claim to have been killed by being strangled to death by a T. Rex, eh, Enrique? It doesn't help that Enrique transforms into a flailing plasticine doll when this happens.

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#1904: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:03:22 AM

[up]I'm unconfident about the second, though I actually think the first one might be fine.

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#1905: Oct 10th 2022 at 4:22:51 PM

Maybe this isn't the right place for this, however, are there any In-Universe equivalents to Narm or at least something similar to that? I'm asking because someone said in a previous comment that if a Narm example is in-universe, it doesn't count. For the record, I'm unsure how true that is, though.

TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
#1906: Oct 10th 2022 at 4:32:14 PM

That's correct. YMMV pages only collect Audience Reactions, so In-Universe reactions don't count. However, there is a trope for when a character's attempts to be dramatic lead to a humorous moment: Failed Attempt at Drama.

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#1908: Oct 12th 2022 at 5:08:30 AM

As I want to try to improve the Tales Series as much as I can, I want to see if the example on its Narm page are valid.

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    Tales of Phantasia 
  • The entire opening scene with Cress, Mint, and Morrison's ancestors fighting Past Dhaos is just one big case of Narm. Yes, even in Japanese it's hilariously overacted (although Japanese Dhaos does manage to sound badass at least).
  • The inclusion of voice clips during cutscenes is very narmful, especially in the SFC version.
    Mint: I'll create a barrier around the tree. BARRY-YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
  • Someone ran the English translation through a spell-check program that didn't recognize (and, apparently, automatically "corrected") the word Ragnarok. The end result is that the elves tell legends of a great cataclysm called Kangaroo.
  • Another unintentional gem from the GBA localisation: Dhaos, accused by Cress and his friends of committing his evil acts for the sake of the environment, sardonically asks "Do I look like a tree-hugger to you?" He isn't but the very visual of Dhaos being nothing more than an eco terrorist hippie, or even just plain hugging a tree...what's not to like? Not to mention such a sardonic and informal line is very unfitting for Dhaos anyhoo.
  • Dhaos's final form has a white suit, which people have nicknamed Disco Dhaos.

    Tales of Destiny 
  • In the game version of Leon's Side in the remake, we hear Marian tried to kill herself after being held prisoner by Hugo's generals. In the manga, we get treated to the scene of Marian loudly proclaiming she will kill herself when all of them are standing mere meters from her while she holds a butter knife of all things. It's completely ridiculous and blows any serious weight the scene might have had out the window.

    Tales of Eternia 
  • In Tales of Eternia, after you counter the Final Boss's instant death attack she/it utters the line "This cannot be..." in the flattest voice possible. You have to hear it to believe it.
    • Pretty much everything in the English Tales of Eternia is entirely free of drama. Meredy's enraged declaration that Shizel is dead at the end of the game, after dubbing, mostly sounds like she's about to gag. Speaking of Shizel, her English VA in this at times sounds more like a Sassy Black Woman than an intimidating villainess.
    • When Shizel returns as a cameo boss in Vesperia, her dub actress plays her with a bombastic near-screeching voice that makes her sound like Rita Repulsa.
    CURSE YOUR MISERY!!

    Tales of Destiny 2 
  • In a more obscure example, Karell's death in Tales of Destiny 2. You see, his sister, Harold (yes, it's a long story), already knew from the time-traveling main characters that he was going to die; her response was something among the lines of "Well, I can't do anything to change the future, so I'll focus on our goal right now". However, when Karell dies, she goes on to dramatically cry about it like a helpless little girl. Sure, some could say that even though she knew it she wasn't prepared to face it, but it's still pretty hard to feel sad by the scene. The way he's stabbed is also very narmful, as it looks like he was gently poked in the stomach rather than getting Impaled with Extreme Prejudice.
    • Made worse by the fact that a healer who doesn't know Karell is supposed to die is right there... And does nothing.
  • Judas breaking his mask off in his "Infernal Suffering" Mystic Arte to reveal that he's Leon Magnus? Awesome. Him doing it multiple times in a single battle, breaking off multiple ghost masks all the while? Goodbye, suspension of disbelief!

    Tales of Symphonia 
  • From Tales of Symphonia, Zelos's death on Kratos's ending is hilarious.
    • This scene is made even more hilarious when Zelos is wearing his "Pickup Artist" beach outfit. If you choose to let him live and he wears that outfit, he rescues the party from Mithos in the Hall of the Great Seed in the same outfit.
      • Abusing the outfits in New Game Plus can be funny in general. For instance, near the start of the game, Lloyd is taken into custody, breaks out, sneaks around the base a little, and ducks into a room when some guards are about to see him, eliciting a "And just who the hell are you?" from the villian who was standing just inside the doorway. This is all fine in-context, but if Lloyd is wearing nothing but a pair of swimtrunks, a googly-diving mask and flippers the whole time...
      • Similarly, there's the scene at the end of Disc 1 where Colette is shot by Forcystus, tearing her clothes and revealing her crystallization to everyone. With the character's normal outfit on, the scene is fairly dramatic, but if Colette is wearing any other outfit, her outfit suddenly changes right back to her default costume without warning (due to the scene using a special character model for Colette to show her clothing damage and crystallization). With this happening at the exact moment she is hit by Forcystus, it almost looks like she's a Mario character who lost a power-up, making the scene unintentionally hilarious.
      • There's also the way she screams, "Don't look! Ugh! Don't look at me!" and then promptly falls over backwards.
  • When Colette loses her soul you get this famous scene-killer:
    Colette learned Judgment
  • After Presea regains her true self and discovers what has become of her father, you can't help but laugh at the scream.
  • Also from Tales of Symphonia, the Bonus Boss's line, said in a very overly dramatic deep voice: "I will show you my true power!" The actual battle aside, that only just increased the ridiculousness of the laughably cliched villain storyline-wise.
  • "What is this ominous light that threatens to ENGULF US?"
  • The weirdly executed attempts to avoid gendered pronouns and names after Mithos possesses and kidnaps any one party member apart from Lloyd or Kratos. It was hilarious that the missing party member would only be referred vaguely and strangely to as "Our Friend" instead of he/she/him/her/it/insert name here while Heimdall gets rained on by fragments of the Tower of Salvation. Even more so that Genis says it unless he got kidnapped.
    • Around that same time, when the party realizes that Derris Kharlan is about to leave, dooming the world to die from mana deprivation, Genis will say "This is a much bigger problem then reuniting the worlds." and then immediately after, respond with "Who cares?! Our friend just got kidnapped!" Genis, we're already worried about your mental health. Arguing with yourself doesn't help your case. The same incident also occurs with Zelos if Genis is the one that got kidnapped, and the player isn't as worried about Zelos' mental health as they are about Genis'.
    • In the final area, reuniting the party requires Lloyd and his friend of choice to remind the other party members of what they have learned during the journey. They're divided into thematic pairs of Genis and Raine, Zelos and Sheena, and Presea and Regal. If one of the six is your friend of choice, Colette replaces them. Thus, if Regal is your chosen party member, you get to see a dramatic scene in which Presea tries to stop Colette from killing Alicia. Really?
  • Regal obtained the title, "El Presidente"! Averted in the Spanish translation, for obvious reasons.
  • The scene after the first dungeon, when Lloyd manages to figure out that Colette has lost her sense of touch...by giving her possibly hot possibly cold coffee. Even if you could stand that, the fact that Colette dramatically drops the coffee cup at the end of the scene just pushes it into Narm. It also helped cement Lloyd amongst the fandom as a guy who's really good at mindscrewing people with a cup of coffee.
    • And the sound the cup makes when it hits the ground makes it seem as if it was actually empty.
    • Try watching the same scene in Japanese in Chronicles. All drama remaining in the scene is hurt by excessive owl hooting and background music that's loud enough to drown out Colette.
  • The scene where Magnius's forces attack Palmacosta. There's one part where a Desian mage, taking a page from the infamous Pebble Dance, does an interperative dance around his staff for about five seconds in order to produce one fireball; one-third of the game's weakest black magic spell. Then Genis just blocks it with Force Field, so it was completely useless.
    • The best part of this is how Genis struts offscreen after blocking the fireball with the smuggest look on his face, like he's just done something amazing.
      "Amateurs."
  • "It's Magnius from the eastern ranch!" "That's LORD Magnius, vermin!"
    • If you look at Magnius as he says it and crushes the poor guy's neck, he finishes the line by making an extremely goofy face.
    • Magnius is just narm on legs.
  • When starting the boss fight against Magnius, he has the scripted line, "You really think you're gonna live through this?!" which is bad enough on its own. However, each character has their own individual sound bite reacting to a number of events, one of which is 'enemy spellcaster is charging an attack' - every time this trigger happens, one of the party members the player isn't controlling will shout their alert phrase. Lloyd's alert phrase for that trigger happens to be "Not a chance!" Magnius begins casting immediately after saying that opening line, so if the player isn't controlling Lloyd at the time, he sounds awfully pessimistic for an Idiot Hero.
  • The scene where Lloyd finds out that Kratos is his biological father. It goes along pretty smoothly until Colette comes out. Lloyd is in complete shock upon learning that Kratos is his dad and Colette, just finding out and seemingly not shocked at all, proceeds to give him a heartfelt speech about how it doesn't matter who his (Lloyd's) parents are or what his background is and that he's him no matter what. There are also two Renegade mooks right in front of her ready to kill on command while this is going on (but then again they're such pitiful enemies, it's not surprising she's not feeling too threatened). Lloyd then approaches Kratos and gives him a speech about how "no life should be born for the purpose of dying" and how he disapproves of what Cruxis does. Did we mention the guy's lying on the ground in pain after taking one of Yuan's...electricity ball things to the back? Thank God Mithos comes out and points out how corny it was!
    "Wow, that was an amazingly corny speech. Congratulations."
    • That entire scene was funny, just for the little things: The scene starts with Lloyd waking up to find Yuan just standing next to him, saying "Do you want to meet your father?" No context, no warning, he's just there. Gets better when, instead of asking why the hell he's there/how he got in/what it is he wants, he just asks "What have you done with my dad?!", as if that's the most bizarre/worrying thing about the situation. When he leaves the house, and he finds out that Kratos is his father, he says in his anguish "No...Kratos can't be my dad. I c...I can't believe that! I won't believe that", which would be great and all if the guy wasn't still there, hearing everything he was saying. Even if you didn't like Kratos, that's still a little harsh. Then you get Yuan ruining whatever menace he'd accumulated with the line "You changed once you got a family!", as if he was just complaining that Kratos had just stopped going to the pub or something. And then, to top it all off, there's Mithos' hilariously over-the-top evil laugh when he's kicking the shit out of Yuan. Combine it with his incredibly bored expression, and overall, what should be a sad and heartfelt scene turns into comedy GOLD.
    • It gets even better. Don't press anything while Mithos is kicking Yuan. He keeps doing it while Lloyd looks on. Even Colette at least bothered to look shocked.
    • Don't forget when a random Renegade mook knocks Lloyd down with a cheesy "thunk" noise, and Lloyd immediately gets back up like nothing happened! He then approaches Yuan and says, "Don't mock my mom!" and tries to hit him with his sword, which Yuan dodges by apparently ice-skating out of the way, then tries to blast Lloyd. Kratos takes the shot, kneels down before Lloyd and says, "Are you all right? ...Good." and promptly falls over backwards, still kneeling.
    • It gets worse when Mithos shoots at Presea and Altessa takes the shot for her. He jumps about three feet into the air for no apparent reason upon getting hit, and the animation makes it look more like he's slipping on a banana peel than being shot.
    • Right after that, Tabatha responds to her master getting shot by saying that Mithos saved her once. His response? "Shut up." He then shoots her with magic, knocking her down while she says her line again. It's supposed to be a dramatic moment, and it is, but Tabatha's voice and tone makes that particular part more funny than serious.
  • Right after some of Zelos's best character development in his Flanoir scene, we get this gem:
    Zelos: Did I piss you off?
    Lloyd: Hell yes! Of course! It'd be a huge problem for me if everything were destroyed!
  • After dodging a punch from Dirk, Lloyd gives us this:
    Lloyd: Ugh...! You don't have to hit me!
  • Lloyd's exclamation "Don't even start spewing the word, "justice"! I hate that word!" was more than a little mood-ruining. Taken out of context it can easily be used to portray Lloyd as a super criminal.
  • One of the lines Zelos can say at finishing a battle is, "Man, I rule! I'm soooo cool!" You can also choose to have someone cook at the end of a battle. So having Zelos say this, and then getting the message "Zelos failed to make a sandwich!" is incredibly funny.
    • Another of Zelos' battle lines is going "Damn, I must be a genius!" at inventing a new arte. It's entirely possible to spam his base Demon Fang move, have him throw out his attempt at a Badass Boast.. and then promptly belt out a Double Demon Fang. The tone of his voice for using it almost seems like it was made to emphasize the likelihood of this happening.
  • More wonderful battle Narm. The characters all take their battles - including their opening battle quotes - very seriously...but apparently the artists who designed the monsters didn't get that memo. So you'll have Kratos commanding, "Don't let up!" or "Give them no quarter!" while facing a pair of ladybugs.
  • One of Zelos' lines when choosing a battle plan mid battle: "We're goin' with mah pimp plan."
  • In the final battle of Tales of Symphonia, the boss will teleport next to you and then yell "get away from me!" Geez, if you don't want me near you, why'd you teleport next to me?
  • Tales of Symphonia has a scene where there are a bunch of guards holding their spears up who are then ordered not to attack. In the English language version, the order is, "lower your weapons!" Lowering a weapon is actually an *aggressive** stance when the weapon in question is a spear.
  • Right after you defeat the monster in Iselia at the beginning of Symphonia, you find out that said monster used to be Marble. It's just as disturbing as it sounds, but the effect is quickly lost because of how Genis chooses to handle the situation: He says Marble's name twice, looks toward the sky and spreads his arms out, then screams "NOOOO!" from his place on the ground. All while the camera dramatically zooms out from him. All these details combined made the scene come across as so cliched that it's hard not to laugh at him.
  • Also, one of the Iselia civilians has the same voice as Lloyd, just pitched slightly deeper. It's such a bad attempt at covering it up, it sounds like Lloyd's mastered ventriloquism.
    • Interestingly enough, another villager in that same scene is voiced by Jennifer Hale, so technically you have Sheena asking the mayor to spare a child!
  • There's also how Presea chooses to handle things at Rodyle's ranch. Rodyle is a ridiculous villain anyway (probably only being beaten by Magnius in that regard), but when he tells Presea he would have treated her better if she'd just made him a Key Crest, Presea yells, "...DIE!!" ...And then she just stands there. She was previously an Emotionless Girl, but come on. And then Rodyle ruins any credibility by giggling.
  • Botta's death was really stupid. First, the aforementioned "DIE!!" events, then Rodyle drowns the humans at the ranch just to try and slow down the group, and Colette goes, "No!!" in a really whiny voice. Things get a bit more serious when you fight Rodyle (aside from the fact he equipped a Cruxis Crystal straight onto himself...shouldn't he know that turns you into a monster?) but then, he hits the destruct button. By staggering really slowly over to it and then collapsing on top of it. So, Botta and his mooks burst in and order everyone to leave so they can fix the machine...then they decide to kill themselves rather than let the whole ranch flood, because they need the mana canon. But, the room Lloyd and co are in has a dome in the ceiling they could have easily escaped from. Lloyd even tries to tell them that, but they ignore him and shut the screen. Regal then tries to kick in a gigantic metal wall, which just looks ridiculous. Then everyone starts shouting about being "surrounded" by three dragons, even though they've battled dragons without much problem before. All this than leads to Mithos conveniently riding in on some Rheairds to save everyone. It's also never explained how they all manage to get on them, and they totally forget about trying to save the rest of the captives at the ranch.
  • So you have your absolutely awesome duel with Kratos. Then there's a heartwarming scene where Lloyd forgives Kratos for betraying the party. You think a Tear Jerker might be coming up when Kratos goes to release Origin's Seal. Then he goes through with it, and what happens? Yuan shows up and catches the barely-living Kratos, who flops his head towards the camera at the most disturbing of angles, and offers up this beautiful narmy, wangsty gem.
    Kratos: It looks like I've failed to die once more.
    • There's also when you defeat Abyssion. The Nebilim then tries to possess Presea, saying Presea's loneliness and isolation make her the perfect vessel. The group manage to snap her out of it, then Genis apparently cremates Abyssion's body. Only then for a box to pop up with cheerful music, "Presea earned the title: Empty Soul!"
  • The overseas version of the game removed the voices from the skits, but failed to alter the lip flaps just in case. As a result, on one skit which was just fine in the Japanese version, for the overseas version you instead get the infamous moment where a despondent Sheena takes a strangely long time and a large amount of syllables to say "I..." (She was saying "Watashi..." a few times in the JP version with voices on and matching lip flaps. no voices and unaltered lip flaps result in her sounding rather slow.)
  • Regal's original concept art (used in the first game's manual as page number artwork) and appearance on the cover of the PS3 compilation Tales of Symphonia Chronicles both display a ridiculously over-the-top frown, even for him.
  • One particular Good Bad Bug introduced in either the PS2 version or the Chronicles version is Sheena's character model remaining in its dirty state after recruiting her in Luin. Its easily fixed but not doing so leads to otherwise serious moments becoming quite silly when Sheena looks like she hasn't had a bath in forever.
  • Mithos delivers a line that sounds like he's about to say the B-word, and was told to tone down his language. What's even better is what he chooses to replace it with.
    Mithos: You... son of Kratos!
  • "Goodbye... (8 seconds later) Mithos." It's even funnier in the Chronicles version if the subtitles are turned on.
  • Early in the game, when trying to get the summons, one of them mentions Mithos. The characters all question if it was the same Mithos from the stories they've heard regarding the Church of Martel, only for Raine to randomly claim that Mithos is a common boys name. Not only do you not encounter any characters named Mithos, but the one character who is named Mithos is so obviously the same Mithos being talked about makes the comment silly, as if the game was trying to deflect a Captain Obvious Reveal.

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World

  • "Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality." It can seem such a lame phrase; as Arc Words they may/may not fit into the story well, but everyone keeps saying it. Not to mention the game flashing back to that conversation every five minutes for the first hour of play, then having next to no flashbacks for the rest of the game, even when they might actually be helpful.
  • Possibly, Marta's Mystic Arte. After a pretty cool incantation, she leaps up into the air with some glowing effects and then... near-dead silence followed by damage (and healing to the party). Apparently the god of healing's volume isn't that high.
  • Early on in Luin, when Emil tells Richter that he saw Marta, Richter proceeds to grab him and shake him. The animation makes Emil move so loosely that he looks like a rag doll, not helped by the fact that Richter's shaking goes on for an unnecessarily long amount of time.
  • The voice acting, compared to the first game (which still showing its age with its high-pitched voices and sometimes over-enthusiastic characters]] feels much more stilted, it feels like half the voice actors were just in it for the paycheck, aside from Bosch, Smith, Kawaye, and Hebert.
  • Most dramatic moments are hit hard when one takes into account Emil's rather naked shoulder-tastic outfit (Thanks, Tenebrae). You just can't unsee it.
  • The amount of times Emil does his head-tilt animation can start to get plain silly. You'll start to wonder if the scarf is to keep his head from falling off from tilting it so damn much.

    Tales of Rebirth 

    Tales of Legendia 
  • The main character, Senel, sees his long-lost girlfriend, Stella, fly into the sky and sacrifice her life to stop the beam of the Nerifes Cannon from reaching its target. The cutscene ends with Stella's limp body falling to the floor, a short pause, and then Senel leaning down and yelling "STELLAAAAAAAA!". Due in large part to the apparent reference to Marlon Brando's famous line in A Streetcar Named Desire, many fans reported bursting out laughing at the end of this otherwise tragic scene.
    • Not helping is the fact that, as she dodges in front of the beam, it looks like she explodes like a rather spectacular firework.
    • Watch ANY of the characters walking animations. Just... just watch. Moses, Shirley and Norma are the biggest offenders.
    • The skits in Legendia. Whenever someone walks or runs, the picture of the character is simply bobbed up and down, like a paper cutout stuck to a popsicle stick.
    • Will and Chloe's English voices. This is especially bad in the case of Chloe, as she's an emotional character and many of her scenes are emotional in nature, but it's simply ruined by the voice actress' hilariously flat delivery (a drinking game could be made out of all the times she says "Coolidge..." out of concern for Senel yet sounds completely bored.) Its just as bad for Will, who's VA did a perfectly good job as Kratos in Symphonia.
    • Quite a few of the games have this problem (wind eleth takes some time to get your head around), but special mention goes to Tales of Legendia, where these terms have a tendency to rhyme, because the in-game language, Relares, is ideographic. Which means some words will share morphems. So, we get to remember Ferines, Orerines, Merines, etc. Rather fun, if one has the time for it.

    Tales of the Abyss 
  • Early on, Luke, Tear and Ion are about to be attacked by the Liger Queen. The scene is supposed to be really intense, but given that the characters have Dull Surprise expressions, all sense of danger is gone.
  • Tales of the Abyss has a very dramatic and mostly well voice-acted cutscene near the end. And then, at the very end...
    Asch: (in a deadly calm voice) Well said. I will make those words your last, replicaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
    • From the same scene, a line that explains pretty much everything about Asch:
      Asch: Shut up! This isn't about logic!
  • The scene with the Malkuth and Kimlascan forces going to battle may count, considering that they're charging fiercely into battle armed with tubas. And the Off-Model soldiers. My god, the Off-Model soldiers!
  • The scene in Yulia City where Asch reveals that Luke is his replica is pretty heartbreakingly dramatic in the game. But in the animated version, for some reason, poor Chihiro Suzuki was forced to scream like a banshee the whole way through the reveal and the upcoming Curbstomp Battle, so that Luke sounds like he's legitimately snapped and gone hilariously stark raving. Too bad the anime was never dubbed - hearing Yuri Lowenthal yowl for a good minute and a half like that would have been priceless.
    • Even then in the game if you manage to defeat Asch you get a scene where he is Wangsting over the fact he lost to his replica and Luke is still in a Heroic BSoD afterwards.
  • Similar to the "get away from me!" example from Symphonia, one of Jade's in-battle quotes is "looks like we're still okay!" It tends to trigger when Jade survives a strong attack with a shred of health. Problem is, he'll say it even if the attack kills everyone else on the field. Looks like you're still okay, Colonel, but what about everyone else? The best part of this is that it's actually perfectly in character.
  • Much like the Symphonia example, dramatic moments can be shot to hell depending on what costumes the gang are wearing. Dramatic moment where Luke's being chewed out for refusing to accept responsibility for the fall of Akzeriuth, just before he cuts his hair? Easily ruined by putting him in a short haired costume with no shirt on, put Jade in his bathrobe outfit and Natalia in her breast-tastic Star of Malkuth outfit and enjoy the narm!
    • One that can potentially happen accidentally: on a New Game Plus, you can get costume titles where Emperor Peony decided to dress the gang up as Power Rangers expies. This includes one for your Guest-Star Party Member, even though they're not with you at the time. Thing is, at the time you get those titles the point when they're in the party for plot reasons is long past, so the only way you can see that costume in combat is during a specific sidequest, after which they leave again. If you forget to change their title back, you'll be stuck with them dressed as "Abyss Silver" for the rest of the game. Needless to say, Asch being dressed as a Super Sentai kinda ruins a few scenes. Sadly, he won't be sporting the costume when you have the actual battle with him at the end of the game.
    • The "Costume with a short hair" before Luke's Dramatic Haircut also itself can be quite funny, and the game even voices this line. In the beginning, Guy asks Luke what's up with his hair and Luke tells him it's a wig. Funny bit of Developer's Foresight there. However, when Luke cuts his hair off, Tear then asks Luke "Why did you take your wig off to cut your hair?" and it becomes hilarious.
    • Luke can get the "Dragon Buster?" title on a New Game Plus, which is nearly identical to the "Dragon Buster" title you can get in an ordinary playthrough, except the "?" variant has a hilarious mask that covers all of Luke's face and most of his hair. So a scene like Tear confronting Luke about the fact that he's dying can be ruined if you accidentally left Luke in it. Even the "Dragon Buster" title itself can be ruinous to a scene, because Luke's clothes are a blue and a green that manage to be brighter than his hair.
  • In the original PS2 version of the game, after Grand Maestro Mohs goes One-Winged Angel, his voice is distorted, with a Voice of the Legion effect. The 3DS version, though, removed that effect. The perfectly ordinary voice coming from a giant demon sounds really silly.
  • Said One-Winged Angel form gets even sillier later on, when it's said to be slowly sapping their sanity. The scene that proves they're too far gone... features the character responding to the Jewel of Lorelei by flying all over the screen like a deflating balloon while repeating "Score" over and over.
  • For some unholy reason, when you receive Ion's Fonstone from Anise following his death the damn noise that plays when you receive an item will still trigger, wrecking the scene since it'll be louder than anything else in the scene. Then there's the hilarious, Mundane Made Awesome fanfare that plays when you get a recipe, which you can trigger at inopportune moments if you neglect to get the recipe in question at a non-serious time.
  • So you're think going to go defeat the Big Bad at the Absorption Gate, the brand new World Map music has you pumped and ready to go and it's playing even before you leave Keterberg, and you enter the world map and walk down to the port to board your badass flying ship... and then you enter the port and the cheerful Keterburg theme plays.
  • Sync's Japanese voice is almost impossible to take seriously. Otani does a good job as the far more serene and friendly Ion but as Sync she uses an angry little kid voice that, when in battle, makes Sync sound too much like an angry Pikachu.

    Tales of the Tempest 
  • Tales of the Tempest can be considered a long endless streak of Narm. For an example, the game's introduction has an evil villain killing Rubia's father while Caius is secretly watching, inside of a church. Then Rubia's mother shows up in front of Caius; the kid warns her that the villain just killed her husband. She then decides to enter the church for no reason and gets killed after two lines of dialogue (yes, exactly two lines of dialogue). Not easy to feel sorry for her...
    • Also, any scene with people talking about how ruthless and scary Caius' wereman form is sort of falls flat. Because Caius' wolf form is actually pretty cute.
    • Caius's father's death is horribly anticlimactic. It's supposed to be a horrible dramatic event, but instead his killer shows up out of nowhere then casts one measly spell, turning him into the weirdest posed stone figure ever. It just ends up being silly.

    Tales of Innocence 

Tales of Innocence

  • The scene where Chitose kisses Luca, in the NDS version. Iria is supposed to be a Tsundere, yet even without the compression artifacts, it comes off as absolutely hilarious.
  • Chitose's death in the PSVita remake. As opposed to the original wherein she stabs herself to commit suicide, here she explodes into a million pieces - and her model literally just flies to pieces - before her soul is collected by Kongwai.

    Tales of Vesperia 
  • In Tales of Vesperia, Yuri Lowell has a really awesome animation in which he shucks his sword from his scabbard and catches the sword in midair. The problem is that it sends the scabbard flying offscreen. It's especially incongruous in long shots or outdoors, when it flies absolutely ridiculous distances. It's hilarious to imagine him digging through the sand to unearth his scabbard after the fights are over.
    • It's also funny when he does it with axes... which do not have scabbards.
  • A title that was meant to comment on Judith's perceptiveness and wisdom gets translated as "Trophy Wife."
  • Two out of the four cameo bosses have some...questionable English voice work. Dhaos and Kratos sound just fine (considering they're both reprising their roles from prior material) but Shizel sounds like her VA was trying too hard to sound raging evil and instead more like a Rita Repulsa wannabe and Barbatos' English VA has an odd slur to his voice that makes some of his lines sound plain silly (especially when he shouts "I'll crush your bonesh!"
  • Like the other Tales games, the player can invoke this by putting silly costumes and visible accessories on characters, destroying the seriousness of some scenes.
  • Much like Tales of the Abyss, the Final Boss will actually speak directly to the character the player is controlling, and they will speak back. Unfortunately, if the player is playing as Repede, it becomes unintentionally funny because they are speaking to a dog.
  • The release of the Definitive Edition has been well received, but some Narm occurs when the newly voiced content is inserted into already existing cutscenes because in most cases, with some of them having slightly different pitches or even voice actors. For example, when going to talk to Don Whitehorse at the Leviathan's Claw manor, he has his original dialogue where he talks to the party. However, in the Definitive Edition his new dialogue was done by someone else when he talks to the newly added character Patty, meaning mid way through the cutscene he abruptly switches voices before switching back to his normal one when he resumes talking to the rest of the group. It can be jarring since it is very obvious when this happens.
  • Most characters have a generic battle grunt noise they make when taking a heavy attack. Raven though yells "Hey! That hurt!" instead. It falls into this trope when ever he gets hit by a Mystic Arte, because he says it several times back to back, making it unintentionally funny to hear him being hit by someone like the Big Bad, and all he yells is "Hey! That hurt-Hey! That hurt-" so on and so on.

    Tales of Graces 
  • Richard's famous "Tomodachi ''NANDA''!? TOMODACHIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! HUAAAARGH" in either version of the game is considered this.
    • In case you were wondering, the English version is just as if not more full of narm than either of the Japanese versions.
      • This is, of course, to say nothing of the inherent hilarity that comes with Richard's incredibly tiny anime pupils and absurd facial expressions whenever the game tries to convey his anger. Lack of storytelling tact at its finest.
  • The only purpose of the Attachments you can find throughout the game is to turn scenes into this.
    • Step 1: Get the cardboard box attachment from the Playstation Store. Step 2: Equip it on Richard. Step 3: Watch as any drama involving this character gets absolutely DESTROYED!!!
  • After one of his dramatic boss battles, Richard, who has spent the whole encounter leaking streams of eleth and screaming for help in his Voice of the Legion, collapses. Sophie crawls up to him and says "Richard...let's make a friendship pact!" At which point Richard abruptly pulls himself together, points his sword at Sophie's head, and says "die!", and she's catapaulted across the arena. I'm sorry Sophie, but you kind of deserved that one.

    Tales of Xillia 
  • Punching God in the face and knocking him out of his flying throne should be dramatic, but the slow-motion effect applied to the punch ends up making it look hilarious.
  • Something about Jude's line "I always wanted to live up to Professor Haus's expectations...but now...he's dead" makes this troper laugh every time. It's probably Sam Riegel and his completely sincere delivery.
    • Actually Sam Riegel was on sparkling Narm form for a while. In one early scene featuring Agria, she threatens his life and his response is "But...I don't want to die." Only he doesn't say it desperately or with terror. It sounds more like dying would be slightly irritating and a little inconvenient.
  • Also everything about Nachtigal is Narm plus ham. Just listen to the way he casts AIR PRESSURRRRRRRE
  • Just like some of the above examples (especially the ones from Symphonia and Abyss) this game has a few amazingly intense moments that are disrupted by a few poor decisions. The scene in which Alvin shoots Leia and fights Jude in the orchard after Milla dies is absolutely heartbreaking. It's perfect until Jude says they have to learn to think for themselves and Alvin's response is a very angry "HOW DO WE DO THAT?" and it just comes across as "THINKING IS HARD."
  • Attachments return once again. Kill the mood of dramatic cutscenes by having your party wear giant Ba'ul plushies, "Emo" glasses or a drippy nose! You can also make all the scenes where the party wonders whether or not to trust Alvin by giving said character devil horns, wings and a tail.
  • During the second visit to the Laforte Research Center, the party finds Hamil's mayor who dies in front of them. The Narm comes from the voice actress making the end of her sentences sound like she's gargling water in the back of her throat.
  • Muzet's freak out moments are really over the top at times and can be really funny.
  • Jude's Say My Name towards Mila at Fort Gandala. It's particularly jarring because Jude is usually one of the better voice-acted characters.
  • Jude's Say My Name towards Alvin right before their duel might come across as silly to English players thanks to a certain famous series about singing chipmunks and the yelling of Alvin's name.
  • The "chess game" between Wingul and Rowen can be narmy because it's Serious Business for them. The music itself is really over the top with the characters acting as if they were really fighting.

    Tales of Xillia 2 
  • The Jiggle Physics in general, especially since they seem to have been turned up for Muzét and Alternate Milla. Just try to keep a straight face during the penultimate scenes against the Final Boss, when the camera shows Muzét approaching and stop, leaving her breasts to jiggle at the worst possible moment. Sure, they are lovely, but it's difficult to take potential annihilation of your party seriously at that point.
  • The attachments and costumes from Xillia 1 can be carried over to Xillia 2 and applied in the exact same way. There's even more attachments now so any sad or serious moment can be screwed up just because you can't see Ludger's face thanks to him wearing a comically oversized Beryl Benito witch-painter hat or Rassius Luine's feathery thing angled over his face or he has a giant Quickie on his head, or the fact that everyone will have a Sophie doll hanging off of their arm that'll probably be big enough to take up 25% of the camera. Either that or a Yuri Lowell doll sitting on their shoulder.
  • And eventually, you can get transformation items which turn characters into various other NPCs as well as the game's cameo bosses. Unlike Graces f and Destiny DC's transformation items, these are purely cosmetic...but they bring with them their own form of narm in that they persist outside of battle and in New Game Plus as well. What does this mean? Why, you can turn Ludger into Rutee Katrea and have items that Ludger was holding now float awkwardly above Rutee's own hands because she's far shorter and thinner than Ludger was. Then turn Gaius into Elle! The camera never once accounts for sudden height change (which can also lead to the camera becoming very interested in the top of the aforementioned Rutee-Ludger's head) and can barely focus on Gaius-Elle's face and all thought-provoking speeches Gaius has to give now sound like Elle just had a snort. And on the other end of the spectrum, turn Elize into Presa and the camera becomes a flat out pervert because half of the time when it should be focusing on Elize's face, because of the aforementioned height issue, it leers at Presa's breasts instead.
  • When the Final Boss transforms, using his Chromatus ability, the cutscene looks oddly like a Magical Girl transformation. It needs to be seen to be believed. Try to keep a straight face - and fail miserably.
  • A cutscene during the Final Boss battle involves Elle running towards Ludger, holding the pocketwatch towards him and yelling each other's name. Overall, a very dramatic scene, as Elle is being attacked during this, and the scene had Ludger being thrown onto his ass by the boss. But the overly long way Ludger is yelling Elle's name makes it hilarious. Especially weird since Elle's yell isn't that long.
    Elle: LUDGER!

    Tales of Zestiria 
  • In the Ladylake Aqueducts dungeon, there is a cutscene where Mikleo wishes to become a Sub Lord so he can fight the Hellions and not be The Load, but Sorey urges him to reconsider due to the costs associated with this, since it means that Mikleo will have to reside within Sorey's body and dedicate his life to fighting the Hellions, abandoning any other dreams. Mikleo then says that as a Seraph, it's natural for him to wish to eliminate the Hellions. The Narm is in Sorey's reply: "Do frogs try to eliminate snakes?". They definitely could have worded things better.
  • The event to restore Lastonbell's Lord of the Land ends with a little girl and her dog pitifully dying after you manage to purify them. It was supposed to be a very sad scene, and is scripted in a very dramatic way, but for some reason the song chosen to play was The Exciting First Journey. It's pretty jarring to hear a whimsical song playing during arguably the darkest moment in game.
  • Dezel's death in the dub. It was supposed to be a touching moment, and for the most part it is. That is until Rose speaks and all she responds with is "Kay" to his final words. It's really distracting and funny because it demeans what is supposed to be a tragic moment and makes Rose come across as uncaring that someone close to her just died.
  • The way Mayvin's death is handled is unintentionally funny due to how abruptly he dies. Towards the end of the fight, Sorey is about to shoot him with Siegfried in a specially made battle cutscene, when it just cuts to a normal cutscene of Mayvin just falling over. The timing is so quick and off-putting that it's too hard to take seriously, and without a natural segue into it, it almost looks like he just gave up and died.
  • In the manga, the implication that Heldalf is Sorey's father comes off as a desperate attempt to connect two characters that have absolutely nothing in common and the twist has no impact on the plot.

    Tales of Berseria 

Given the nature of the game, the developers tried to give it as little Narm as possible, but in some moments it was inevitable:

  • Much like in other Tales Series games, the player has the ability to invoke this. Velvet and Magilou's outfits already look ridiculous enough, but you can make it even more silly by, say, giving Velvet a red sombrero and sunglasses or making the party wear swimsuits into battle. Or watch every dramatic moment be made completely absurd by dressing the party in giant Normin mascot costumes.
  • "The Lord of Calamity" is meant to sound ominous and imposing, but it ends up sounding corny (at best) or downright cringe-worthy; especially when read aloud. Made moreso, since the one it refers to is a moody teenaged girl, rather than the awe-inspiring force of destruction one might have envisioned.
  • Velvet's Arte Discord (Finishes off a combo when you therionize a human) ends with her giving out an angry cry. While it fits some situations (ie, early-game when a bunch of exorcists are sent to kill Velvet and Rokurou), it feels weird in other parts.
  • Velvet and Innominat link together and feed off of each other's power so that Velvet can seal Innominat away and Innominat makes a rather ungraceful *nom* sound as he bites down.
  • The awe-inspiring feel of Laphicet becoming a dragon after ascending to to the status of a full-fledged Empyrean in the ending is deflated the moment he speaks and reveals his voice didn't change.
  • "Why do birds fly?" Not quite as thought-provoking a question as some of the characters believe, even on a metaphorical level. It often comes out of nowhere, too. And one of the answers given is "because if it can't fly, it's not a bird".

    Tales of Arise 
  • Like many Tales games, the player can invoke this by using ill-fitting DLC costumes that make them look ridiculous, turning serious scenes into hilarity by the characters being in such ridiculous costumes. However, this game has a neat little easter egg sidequest where you can get accessories for free. Nothing says "Darker and Edgier Tales game" like putting a bunny tail or cat eats on your main characters. Bonus points since you can get some of this when Alphen still has his iron mask.
    • One of your free costumes is Alphen's ruined clothes. Just like Velvet's Rummage Sale Reject clothes? Make Alphen and Shionne go through the game in their first costumes which consist of ruined clothes and what look like pajamas.
  • An early conversation between Zephyr and Alphen has Zephyr say something to the effect of "I can tell by looking at your face". An innocent comment, but this is before Alphen has any of his mask off, so it turns an otherwise normal conversation into unintentional comedy because Zephyr can't even see Alphen's face, making the comment stand out. Other phrases certainly would have fit better given the context.
  • The first skit in which Shionne talks to Alphen. Alphen mentions he can't take the mask off, and points out how difficult it really is, including how hard it is to eat. Realistic? Yes, but the fact he can see what's going on despite a face-covering mask makes it... hilarious. This is very likely an Intended Audience Reaction though - as the characters deliver the lines in such a deadpan way it's hard not to laugh.
  • In one skit, Alphen and Shionne sneeze because they walk into a cold area. Their models are completely static except for their mouths, and the panel shakes when they sneeze. Of course, it's intended to be a more humorous skit making this the Intended Audience Reaction.
  • Much like Kratos, Shionne takes every single battle seriously. Fair enough up until in a common battle she faces something as mundane as a boar or hawk and yells "I won't forgive you!" at them like she's become unhinged.
  • If Alphen drops off of too high a drop, he fortunately doesn't take Fall Damage — instead he just falls down and says "Ugh! Guess I misread the landing." While it actually makes sense early on, later in the game when his ability to feel pain returns he still delivers this line.

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#1909: Oct 12th 2022 at 11:22:59 AM

[up] Since that's a lot of examples, I'll start with just the first few folders.

Phantasia:

  • Doesn't give enough context
  • This and its subbullets are a combination of general examples and ZCEs.
  • Silly, yes, but not a moment.
  • Kinda reads as a stretch of an example. "If you go off on a tangent and picture a silly image, this scene is Narm." I don't think it counts.
  • Not a moment

Destiny:

  • Maybe fine?

Eternia:

  • I don't think the last sentence really contributes anything, but I guess the rest is fine.
    • I think just the second sentence here is valid. The rest is too general.
    • General

Destiny 2:

  • Most of the bullet is just Fridge Logic and kind of nonsensical ("Why is this person sad when someone dies?"). The last sentence may be fine, but needs to be rewritten to stand on its own.
    • Fridge Flaw
  • I guess I can see why that's funny. But the last sentence reads as overly snarky to me.

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#1910: Oct 12th 2022 at 9:42:51 PM

[up] Deleted them all and changed the last sentence on Tales of Destiny 2. Time for the other folders

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Oct 13th 2022 at 12:43:18 AM

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#1911: Oct 14th 2022 at 12:25:35 AM

Love, Death & Robots

  • Narm:
    • "Sonnie's Edge" treats itself dead-serious, despite being incredibly corny "girl power" story, filled with nothing, but stock characters exchanging stock quips. Even the "edge" in the title ends up working against its intended tone.
    • "The Drowned Giant" is an entire episode of Contemplate Our Navels, not helped by the fact that it's an adaptation of an unfilmable short story consisting entirely of Purple Prose inner monologue. The resulting Bathos is completely unintentional.

I feel like it's too general and/or thinly veiled negative reviews.

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#1912: Oct 14th 2022 at 1:05:21 AM

[up]Yeah, they should be cut imo.

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#1913: Oct 14th 2022 at 1:46:43 AM

[up] (x5), Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia (I just restored one example, cause Idk about the rest) and Destiny 2 are all done. What about the other examples (Symphonia to Abyss for now)

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Oct 14th 2022 at 5:00:02 PM

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#1914: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:23:58 AM

[up] The examples are kinda endless, so here's a few more from the Symphonia folder for now. I'm stopping right before "Lloyd's exclamation "Don't even start spewing the word, "justice"! I hate that word!"":

Symphonia:

  • ZCE
    • Self-inflicted Narm, I gather? Which I think we agreed doesn't count. But maybe I'm wrong.
    • Same as above
    • Same as above
    • Too low context
  • ZCE
  • ZCE
    • Association Narm, I think? Even if it's literally the same voice actor, I don't think it counts, since it's just "Hey, this actor has played more than one role. Isn't that hilarious?"
  • Just reads as a cliche. Besides that, there's not enough context explaining why it's supposedly funny.
  • ZCE and Weblinks Are Not Examples.
  • Reads as a regular flaw.
    • Regular writing flaw. And overly snarky.
    • No idea what this means. Reads as a regular flaw.
  • Uh... okay? What's funny? ZCE.
  • Probably fine
    • Nitpicking natter
    • Reads as regular flaws/poor sound design.
  • Seems okay
    • Kinda nattery, but maybe it's fine
  • ZCE
    • I guess fine. Maybe combine with the above bullet.
    • Natter, general, unhelpful statement
  • Reads as Fridge Logic, but maybe there's something valid in the first sentence.
  • Reads as regular flaws and Fridge Logic.
    • Nattery wall of text
    • Natter
    • Natter
    • I could see why that's funny, but it might need to be rewritten to stand on its own.
    • Reads as just a regular writing flaw
  • ZCE
  • ZCE

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Oct 14th 2022 at 7:25:04 AM

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#1915: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:06:52 PM

To make sure, Association Narm isn't allowed, right? I think I thought so at one point, I just realized that I want to be 100% sure. For the curious, I'm wondering because of this example from Narm.Friendship Is Failure:

* At the end of Write a Wrong, Celestia has all of Stone Heart's rewritten stories burned because he didn't like Twilight's edits to them. It brings to mind the Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episode "A Novel Approach" where King Dedede has the resident Harry Potter expies in Cappy Town burned simply because he Never Learned to Read. The difference is that Dedede's portrayed as an Evil Is Petty Authority in Name Only who's meant to be in the wrong for this action, while in-canon Reasonable Authority Figure and Big Good Princess Celestia is supposed to be in the right for the same act. In short, Celestia is making King Dedede look good right now. And that's not even the worst comparison possible. The idea of someone being supposedly likable while ordering a book burning is so wrong, it's hilarious and not infuriating, because it's unintentional.
If anyone is curious about my involvement with this entry, I did fix an indentation error it once had, though I didn't add it.

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#1916: Oct 14th 2022 at 7:17:30 PM

[up][up] deleted the unnecessary stuff and commented out the ZCE s for now. What about the rest of the folder ?

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#1917: Oct 15th 2022 at 7:10:22 AM

[up] Those folders have way too many examples and it seems unreasonable to comment on each of them individually when many of them can be deleted for the same reasons. I suggest you cut the following:

  • General examples, which would be any entry that doesn't describe a specific scene. Look for sentences like "Any time character X does something", "Every time Y happens" or "The voice acting/graphics/art style makes every scene this".
  • "Character X is supposed to be intimidating, but looks/sounds silly": If it's not a specific moment, it's not Narm.
  • Zero-Context Examples: Any entry that doesn't explain what's unintentionally funny about the scene. This includes examples that just give a basic description of the scene, are written simply as "Event X is hilarious", only transcribe the work's dialogue, or consist solely of a weblink.
  • Examples that are only funny due to the player's actions, like a serious moment that is ruined because the playable characters were customized to wear ridiculous outfits.
  • Stealth complaining: Examples that were written purely to criticize the work. Look for sentences like "This is ridiculous" or "This totally ruins the scene".
  • Natter: Lone sub-bullets are usually a sign that the entry was written to counter the preceding example or add more complaints.
  • Shoehorned examples: Sentences like "This scene may be this", "might be an example", "to some people" and "possibly" strongly suggest that the example is not valid.

Edited by TantaMonty on Oct 15th 2022 at 7:12:55 AM

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#1918: Oct 15th 2022 at 7:22:58 AM

[up] I’ll do my best on recognizing those patterns, Though I’ll do it tomorrow since its night time where I live.

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#1919: Oct 15th 2022 at 11:04:34 PM

From Inhumans

  • Narm:
    • Every single scene involving Black Bolt on Earth in episode 2. The way he runs from the cops, his fight with the cops, his wooden body language, it just has to be seen to be believed.
    • Medusa's hair is shaved off using a normal electric razor that you can buy at a drug store. The scene is given especially dramatic music and is obviously intended to be Maximus' Moral Event Horizon, but it comes off as pretentious and silly instead. What makes this scene worse is the transparency of it; the real reason Medusa was shorn bald was to save the cost of animating her hair every episode, even though this effectively renders her powerless.
    • Speaking of Medusa's hair, her big fight with it is inexplicably scored with a tepid cover of The Rolling Stones' "Paint It Black". It gets worse as just a year earlier we were treated to a much better received remake of the song in Westworld. Also, the guards just... walk up to her. One at a time. Even as they see her effortlessly beating their fellows.
    • Medusa ordering an ATM in Hawaii to give her money because she is the queen of Attilan, even saying "Please" just in case the machine was offended by her tone of voice. Intended as a Fish out of Water moment, but it instead just makes her look like a complete idiot for forgetting that her city's entire existence is kept secret and thus the machine had no way of knowing about her even if it did work that way.
    • Gorgon gets some surfers to have Undying Loyalty to him with insane ease, especially when one sympathizes with his service to his king as Hawaii used to have one of those until it was made a state. Trouble is, they had a queen at the time that happened, making the guy come off as a hipster who has no real idea what he's talking about.
    • Karnak getting kidnapped and almost killed by pot dealers. While it's not unheard of for marijuana cartels to be dangerous and territorial, the end result is that there's yet another band of colorful Hawaiian characters to contrast with the alien Inhumans. It makes you wonder if someone on the writing staff was an unironic fan of Reefer Madness.
    • Maximus intimidates the Genetics Council by awkwardly describing the member he had killed as gargling his last not-words like some weird attempt at humor.
    • Black Bolt killing his parents in a flashback becomes this due to the extremely dull look on his face, not to mention the slow "whooooy" he uses to do it.
    • After they are separated on Earth, Black Bolt tells his wife that he is okay by holding his communicator up to his heart so she can hear it beat. It's a sweet moment, but we're left wondering why this technologically advanced race doesn't have texting. You'd think that would be a priority when your king can't talk.
  • Narm Charm: Be it intentional or not, Black Bolt's over-the-top expressions to compensate for his lack of dialogue are amusing.

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#1920: Oct 16th 2022 at 1:06:31 AM

[up] Some of these were (correctly) removed for being misuse, and were readded with the edit reason "Not really?" by Forenpenser in 2020. And it looks like I've previously removed the fourth bullet for being an intentional joke and just being poorly received, but that was readded by Phoenixion in 2019, with the edit reason "Even if it was meant to be funny, it almost definitely fails to be funny as it results into Narm."

  • General and ZCE
  • I don't think the last sentence adds anything beyond crapping on the show, but the rest of the example is probably fine.
  • This is two points. The first chunk about "Paint it Black" just seems to be a non-funny complaint. The part about the guards is Fight Scene Failure.
  • Played for laughs and is just a regular writing flaw.
  • Regular writing flaw
  • I could see this potentially being funny, but I don't think the example really elaborates enough on why it's funny. It mostly focuses on a regular flaw. It also doesn't specify a specific moment, and the last sentence is unnecessary.
  • If this is intended as humor, it's not an example. As is, the entry is confusing on what it's trying to say. Right now, it just lists a regular flaw.
  • Probably fine. I've seen people's reactions to this scene. The "whoooy" could maybe be shortened back into just "why", but it's not a deal breaker for me.
  • Fridge Logic

Narm Charm: Not sure what this is trying to say. If it's intentionally funny, it's just regular humor landing. If it's not intentionally funny, that's just regular Narm. Feels like someone is just trying to sneak in a general example. Cut.

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#1921: Oct 16th 2022 at 3:18:20 PM

From Quest for Camelot

  • Narm:
    • We still would've been able to take Kayley's escape sequence seriously, had it not been for the gorgeous song "The Prayer" playing in the background, Ruber's human-weapon hybrid henchmen chasing her on warthogs, and a brief scene of Bladebeak the axe-headed rooster running past them.
    • "The ogre's butt..." *cue dramatic music sting*
    • Big, scary Griffin opens his beak and out comes... Balki's voice.
    • Ruber's Song gets narmy when he says "Now watch me create MY MECHANICAL ARMY with pride," mainly due to the incredibly stupid looking dance he does, which looks kind of like "The Robot." Also, the way he adds pride at the end makes it sound he just remembered at the last moment that he had to complete a rhyme.
    • Ruber in general, because of his absurd Obviously Evil look and demeanor. Not only does it lead one to wonder why a guy like that even got to be a knight, he just drains any sort of seriousness out of every scene by being ridiculous. Just a screencap of the guy memorably sent an entire 4chan board into hysterics.
    • Don Rickles' snarky New Yorker voice as Cornwall just feels so grossly out-of-place in a movie where basically everyone else sports an English accent.
    • Garret singing in a voice that is strikingly different from the one he uses for speaking. Particularly bad is how it makes him switch from English to American.
    • The first line of "Looking Through Your Eyes" as Garret looks like he's in immense pain while singing. Maybe starting a musical number while you're fatally wounded is a bad idea.
    • Also during "Looking Through Your Eyes", Garret getting his wounds healed by magic leaves, which comes out of nowhere unless if you remember one brief, vague mention of their properties. Even then, it's hard to take seriously.
    • Everyone being magically healed at the end is this since Garret still stays blind.
    • How does Kaylee escape from Ruber's guards? Simple, one of them just lets go of her and walks away.
    • After Garret sings an entire song about how he works by himself, he then instantly allows Kaylee to join him after she slightly pushes to go on the adventure again. And by slightly push, we're talking a single sentence here.
    • In general the transitions in and out of songs are extremely awkward as people barely even respond to them. This is almost certainly due to the film being made into a musical at the last.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#1922: Oct 16th 2022 at 4:03:51 PM

[up] Some of these are very clearly just parroting nitpicks The Nostalgia Critic had, but I digress.

  • Reads more like Soundtrack Dissonance.
  • ZCE
  • ZCE and Fan Myopia
  • Last sentence reads as unnecessary snark. I guess the rest is fine.
    • ZCE and natter
  • General
  • General and regular flaw
  • General and regular flaw
  • Maybe fine?
  • That's just Fridge Logic.
  • Just a regular flaw, as written.
  • Fridge Logic
  • General and regular flaw. Also missing the last word, oddly.

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#1923: Oct 16th 2022 at 6:39:11 PM

this thread seems to be getting into bad habits and taking advantage of other tropers' (namely, MisterApes-a-lot) willingness to help out. every post of substance on this page is a list of examples with no included discussion about what makes them problematic.

the standard here is, if you think there's a problem, you do the work to see if it's real or not. you don't push it off on other people. this thread in particular has had a long problem with this because Anddrix posts like that, which i guess makes other people think that's how it works. but it's not fair to people who actually do the work before posting as they're supposed to, and it's not fair to Apes-a-lot to push all the responsibility for making the actual determinations of what's wrong onto him. let's try to do better, yall. if you're bringing up an example, tell us why you think it's a problem.

Edited by ChloeJessica on Oct 16th 2022 at 6:39:24 AM

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#1924: Oct 16th 2022 at 6:48:52 PM

Yes, just dropping example batches into the thread without further commentary isn't helpful. Please take the time to explain why you think the examples you brought in are bad.

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TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
#1925: Oct 16th 2022 at 7:18:29 PM

I've been editing YMMV pages of horror movies lately and came across The Shining. The entries look really immature and I'm tempted to cut a lot of them, but I don't know if I'm being too harsh on my judgment:

  • In context, the infamous "dog costume" scene is supposed to be scary. However, since the movie doesn't bother explaining it, it becomes hilarious. The sudden zoom effect - complete with abrupt music change - certainly adds to this.
    Lacks context. Proposed rewrite: "Late in the film, a traumatized Wendy traverses the hotel's corridors and finds two ghosts having sex, one of which is wearing a bear costume. The soundtrack suddenly gets more intense and the camera dramatically zooms in on the couple as they eerily glare at her, but the scene as a whole is so bizarre it comes across as funny."
  • Wendy's reactions to all the weird stuff going on can be seen as pretty funny. In that particular scene, she doesn't even scream (though obviously she's completely on edge at that time) — she just heads away, as if thinking "Ooookay, moving on."
    Lies. She is spooked and runs away from the ghosts, as you can see at the end of this clip.
  • At the end, Jack's moaning is really over-the-top. The shot of his body the next morning looking half like he really needs to take a dump and half like he's scowling about waiting for a late bus on a winter morning can induce tittering as well.
    This is what I mean by immature. The death scene in question.
  • The smash cuts with scare chords that tell the date. At first it may be a good Jump Scare, but it quickly loses its effect. It only gets more unintentionally funny when you consider the implications that the dates themselves are somehow supposed to be scary. ("Oh no, not Tuesday!")
    I've seen enough people making fun of this to think it counts. However, the entry has a pothole referencing an internet reviewer, which I think should be cut.
  • The scene where the corridor floods with blood... and then a chair randomly floats by, turning the moment from Nightmare Fuel to Nightmare Retardant.
    How? How is a chair floating in a river of blood funny?
  • The look on Danny's face during his nightmare. Somewhere between "I just drank a gallon of Coke" and "I'm having an epileptic seizure." Note that this is actually because Danny Lloyd had no idea of the scene's context due to Kubrick wanting to protect him from being traumatized; he was simply told to do a generic "afraid" face.
    Much like the example about Jack's frozen body, this looks like someone looking for random things to make fun of.
  • Jack, frozen to death, staring blankly off camera. In the 80's it was almost one last scare. Now that it's become a meme about winter, it's more likely to inspire knowing smirks.
    The entry admits that the scene is genuinely scary if you didn't see it coming, thus invalidating itself.
  • "All work and no play make Jack a dull boy!" It's unnerving at first, but when he's shown to have written an entire manuscript, it borders on being humorous.
    One of the most famous scenes in the film, and generally agreed to be genuinely disturbing.
  • The "Great party, isn't it?" ghost. Though he has a grotesque head wound, his cheery demeanor—especially when compared to Wendy's hysteria—can come across this way.
    That's the point. The dissonance between the ghost's smile and his grotesque wound is precisely why the scene is scary.

Any opinions?


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