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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

Drakath51 Since: Oct, 2023
#203751: Dec 12th 2023 at 1:32:21 PM

Asgore still has Kinginthe Mountain on the Under Tale page despite losing it

Edited by Drakath51 on Dec 12th 2023 at 1:33:07 AM

mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#203752: Dec 12th 2023 at 1:59:52 PM

[up]Looks like it has now been taken care of.

I have now added the folder control and index. Is it ready to be put in the Pantheon proper?

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
Alecoene Since: Sep, 2016
#203753: Dec 12th 2023 at 3:27:57 PM

@Whirl: I mean, I included Kevin and Lana because it'd feel awkward to only have 3/5 of the team, and technically the later is based loosely on Palutena.

@Shinobi! Well, the thing is that if it's them only, then while the show does really fit You Don't Look Like You, they don't really by themselves. Gotta admit I'm a bit lost at what to do, never got this kind of mixed reception here before.

Hmm, what if alternatively, I did Kevin and Lana under Cowboy BeBop at His Computer instead?

Reasoning: Besides the design changes, the show is also notorious for its many, many other innacuraties regarding the games, like some characters and locations being called by their game's titles, getting basic gameplay elements wrong and generaly weird additions and missing parts of the game's universes. All of this is explained by the fact that at a time where few adults played video games, the showrunners had very little knowledge about them, to the point that despite having Mother Brain as the Big Bad, they didn't even know Samus Aran existed.

Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#203755: Dec 12th 2023 at 4:31:23 PM

Speaking of that Mother Brain, here's an idea either of you can take as well, Shinobi and Alecoene.

Edited by nightelf37 on Dec 12th 2023 at 8:32:58 PM

TV Tropes Pantheon Group Members Database
Shinobi TV Tropes' dedicated hee-ssential worker. from Arizona, USA Since: Jul, 2018 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
TV Tropes' dedicated hee-ssential worker.
#203756: Dec 12th 2023 at 5:16:25 PM

[up]

I feel like that would be a better trope for Tabuu than Silent Antagonist, imo, given how his current trope has a lot of other options for it.

Alecoene Since: Sep, 2016
#203757: Dec 12th 2023 at 5:33:51 PM

[up]Tabuu is a Crossover-Exclusive Villain, the Crossover Villain-in-Chief trope designate an existing villain from one of the works who become the various villains' leaders.

Edited by Alecoene on Dec 12th 2023 at 2:34:03 PM

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#203758: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:40:46 PM

Heads up guys, gotta remove some Evil Is Sexy wicks now that it's a disambig. I'm trying to salvage what I can, but some of the edited pages may need tweaks.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
AbsoluteRainbow Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds from Hanoi, Vietnam Since: Jul, 2023
Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds
#203759: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:42:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] Either that or Tabuu.

Absolute Rainbow
Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
uwu
#203760: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:43:53 PM

[up][up] Speaking of Evil Is Sexy, the Baroness has that trope in her "divine title", but considering that she also has The Baroness there, I think it would be safe to remove Evil Is Sexy from there.

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Dec 12th 2023 at 6:43:58 AM

THE GOLDEN AGE WILL RETURN AGAIN!
mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#203761: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:45:35 PM

[up][tup]

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#203762: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:47:49 PM

I don't think it's the same character, but I also found a character under the "Demonic Legion" who is lined to "Despicable Sexiness". Not sure what the plan is there.

Should I just hand the cleanup over to you guys?

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 12th 2023 at 9:47:59 AM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
RadioRavenRide It's Radioing Time from The End of Time Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
It's Radioing Time
#203763: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:53:06 PM

@mdalsted I approve the Hall of Parental Figures

It's time to face your fears
mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#203764: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

[up]Excellent! One minute while I integrate it into the Pantheon...

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
CrimsonShark Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde
#203765: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:55:32 PM

[up][up][up] You can clear it up. "Demonic Legion" is actually a relic of the old Pantheon days, which we contributors are since trying to wash aside in favor of making the whole setting more diverse when it comes to entertainment representation.

@mdalsted — [tup] for the Hall of Parental Figures.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Dec 12th 2023 at 2:56:07 PM

"Money is the goddamn plan! Have some faith, y'all!"
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#203767: Dec 12th 2023 at 7:43:36 PM

Is there any Jojo fan who has an idea for this guy?

Rubber Soul, God of Bad Acting in Perfect Disguises (Robber Soul)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/jojo_rubber_soul_6481.jpg
  • Votes: 1(Excessive-Menace)
  • Adopted from: MarvelFan2003
  • Hall: Disguises (House of Costumes)
  • Lesser God (has the potential to be Intermediate if he was competent)
  • Symbol: The temperance arcana coated with yellow slime
  • Theme Song: His Heritage for the Future OST
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: An Utterly Insufferable Narcissist and Jerkass With No Valor To Back It Up, Smug Snake, Can Disguise Himself As Anyone But Doesn't Even Bother Acting Like Them, His Stand Can Also Act As A Blob Attacker, Psychopathic Manchild, Pretty Boy (well, until his face is repeatedly pounded by Star Platinum), Unskilled, but Strong, Tarot Motifs, Mercilessly Assaults A Guy For Stealing His Wallet, Nigh-Invulnerable Stand
  • Domains: Disguises, Blobs, Mercenaries, Arrogance, Bullies, Jerks
  • Superior: Dio Brando
  • Interested in: The T-1000, Himiko Toga
  • Allies: Biff Tannen, Envy the Jealous, Joffrey Baratheon
  • Vitriolic Best Buds with: Vega, Gaston
  • Rivals: The Blob, Ditto, Zoroark
  • Enemies
  • Disappoints: Loki, Raven Darkholme/Mystique, The Spy, The Impostor Crewmates, Queen Chrysalis, The Oni
  • Annoys: The rest of the Hall of Disguises
  • Fears: The Alternates, the Thing
  • Rubber Soul was one of many Stand Users that acted as a mercenary for DIO in order to eliminate the Joestars and their allies. Sent to ambush them at Singapore, he disguised himself as Kakyoin and laid in wait. His Stand, Yellow Temperance, is a Blob Monster that allows him to perfectly disguise himself as someone else. By all rights, he should be a near-perfect assassin. However he doesn't even bother to act like who he's impersonating, preferring to act like a vulgar parody of them. Ironically, what finally exposed him was the memetic "rero rero" scene that actually was something Kakyoin would do. A smug Jerkass he quickly got on Jotaro's nerves and got a well-deserved Star Platinum fist to the face.
  • No-one was really clamoring for Rubber Soul to ascend, as while he's not a monster like Telence, Gray Fly or J.Geil, he is one of the most unbearable pricks in DIO's payroll. The man isn't even unwillingly bad at disguises, he just prefers being a vulgar parody because of his lack of respect for anyone else. However he does legitimately fit the trope, and DIO saw him as useful. He's hoping that one day Rubber Soul can learn to actually act, and he still has good offensive abilities using his blob as a means of attack. Not wanting to let anyone see his busted up face Rubber Soul only accepted this if he could use his initial reveal as his portrait image. Though an unrepentant prick who'd rat out teammates to save his own skin, he did start to get maybe playing ball with his "co-workers" is the safer strategy.
  • His impersonation dissonance is not unique. Envy and Himiko Toga are known for making excellent disguises, but their ability to mimic someone's personality is pretty flawed. Rubber Soul was quite intrigued by Toga's blood quirk, but he's happy with what he has. As Himiko Toga can actually be affable and doesn't see anything interesting with Rubber Soul the two ignore each other for the most part. Envy kind of likes Rubber Soul, though only as much as he can like humans. Both are these petty, bullying jackasses who love to show off how superior they think themselves are, but aren't actually all that intelligent and prove Powerful, but Incompetent. If anything good can be said about Rubber Soul though, he lacks the outright sadism as Envy. And there's no Inferiority Superiority Complex either; he's just a weapons-grade Narcissist.
  • He is not trusted by any of the Animorphs, even if he's regarded as "small fry" and not someone they're overly worried about. This is due to their experience dealing with the Yeerks, who can impersonate people in a different fashion. Tom Berenson grimly mused that Rubber Soul is just as bad as the first Yeerk to take control him, Temrash 114, did the bare minimum to act the part and Marco able to suss him out after one conversation. The Oni was not particularly impressed by Rubber Soul either, mainly because asides from being able to turn multiple people into more Onis they are arguably capable of deceiving people better than him.
  • If he even bothers trying to justify his actions, he either acts if his attacks "he wasn't being serious and was just messing around" or his handsome looks making him so much better than his opponent. He reacted angrily when Angelo said he may think he's a 10 but really he's an 8, but instead of trying to beat him up tried to humiliate Angelo by disguising as him and acting intentionally rude and crass in order to hurt his reputation. And when Angelo refused to feed the Troll, then he tried to beat him up. He found the intentional mockery exhilarating and he's come to like mocking people who piss him off. Joffrey Baratheon happened to hear about this and reached out to Rubber Soul, giving him money to be his "jester" but mock other people. This went well for Rubber Soul until Joffrey made the mistake of having Rubber Soul take the piss out of Tywin for "bossing him around". The Illborn king never quite got why Tywin would send him to his quarters and ordered a hit out on Rubber Soul.
  • Yellow Temperance is said to be one of few physical Stands that is physically impervious. It can resist burning, freezing and impacts. In short, it is near-perfect armor. However the user is still human and still needs to do things like breathing. The texture, resilience and conductivity can be modified as well, which means foolishness aside Rubber Soul is no joke opponent. Potentially he could sharpen it for stabbing weapons and suffocate people with it, however it's only after he witnessed the T-1000 did he really think of that application. One of the deadlier traits of Yellow Temperance is the ability to absorb organic matter to grow stronger and more massive, akin to the Blob. As much as it has a thought process, the Blob is aware of similarities with it and Yellow Temperance and when it comes close to Rubber Soul it tries to eat Yellow Temperance...only for Yellow Temperance to try and eat the Blob. Since the Blob is weak to extreme cold, Yellow Temperance has somewhat of an advantage.
  • Rubber Soul is capable of disguising himself as any person regardless of gender, and sometimes fondles himself in female form. While he presumably can't disguise himself as a non-humanoid, it wasn't certain if he could disguise himself as a humanoid since the opportunity never presented itself. He decided to try his hand by copying Mystique and it turned out that yes, getting her blue color right wasn't hard. She wasn't all that enthused, less so his obnoxious personality and more so disappointment; his power of disguise rivals hers, yet he lacks the acting chops to take full advantage of it. This is a sentiment shared by many morally dubious shapeshifters and impersonators; its one thing to be a jerk and a hired killer, but you better be worth what your employer is paying you for. Luckily for Rubber Soul though Dio has considered the point Rubber Soul is low enough on the totem poll that purging him would be more effort than it's worth.
  • Despite himself being called out as incompetent, few would say that his ability to mimic the appearance isn't impressive. In fact, it's because of this why gods like the Spy facepalm at his inability to act the part. He's not a Ditto Fighter however, and he can't replicate abilities...but he can make a close approximation if they are abilities akin to his own. Because of their physical similarities he can use Yellow Temperance as a yellow palette swap of the Emerald Splash. One of the new skills he managed to pick up is having Yellow Temperance itself mimic non-humanoid forms, however unlike his disguises they will always have a yellow coloration. Humorously when he tried to mimic Homer Simpson it ended up with him looking like a normal-skinned, five-fingered Homer in the Jojo art-style. Homer thought he was some inbred freak.
  • Loves to prove that he can out-Ditto Ditto and out-Zoroark Zoroark. When he has Yellow Temperance copy them they copy whatever form they've taken, not their true form, which he found an interesting observation. When Ditto transformed in a human, Rubber Soul tried mimicking Ditto in that form...only to keep his own face like Ditto sometimes makes as a mistake. He threw sand at Ditto for making him look bad. He tried to reach out for Ditto a second time because he figured now he could fix that glitch, but his own jerkassery has put them at odds. When it comes to the physical part of disguise Rubber Soul does earn some of his pride about it, and he loves to flex it on other members of the Hall of Disguises. This has led to a bad reputation as he's seen as the most insufferable member of the Hall. Sure there are more evil gods there, but no-one likes the jerk.
  • He has caused problems for his own Hall that led to him being temporarily kicked out, namely the time that he tried to steal Thel Val'dam's "active camouflage" for both infiltration purposes and to be an Invisible Jerkass. He briefly wondered off to the Hall of Impostors and Impersonations since he does have an honorary position there because of the nature of his Stand. He soon found himself afoul of the Crewmates who knew he was sus and painfully reminded them of the Imposters, not helped by his rude behavior. The Impostor Crewmates don't even like them as they see Rubber Soul as a thug that wastes his talent. Needless to say, Rubber Soul's rude personality would translate to when he played Among Us, making him bad at the game. His ban would end since Hate Sink or not, his role is legitimate.
  • Rubber Soul has few friends, to no-one's surprise, but he does have some. He holds an uncharacteristic amount of respect for Vega, even if the latter thinks he's a tool, as he is this prideful and sadistic pretty boy who's incredibly vain. Any camaraderie between them is mainly mutual narcissism as Rubber Soul is like a cruder, dumber Vega, but it is still noteworthy he's one of the only people who Rubber Soul tries to get his impression right without any prodding. Another rare case where he'll try to get the impression right? Gaston. Gaston does cringe somewhat at the misuse of such a great powernote  and argues that hunks are always hotter than pretty boys, but they did get along hunting together and enjoying the sound of their own voice.
  • At his core Rubber Soul is a Psychopathic Manchild and Schoolyard Bully All Grown Up...probably. He doesn't want people bugging him about what he did at school. And he gets kind of annoyed when people ask him if his parents were fans of the Beatles, as surprisingly he has no idea why people would think that. Most think he was given his overall attitude, and especially because he seems to get along with Biff Tannen. Rubber Soul is definitely a bully in the modern day, complete with childish insults, and he likes to take out his frustrations along with the 1955 Biff on some unfortunate kid, which pissed Jimmy Hopkins off. That said, while Biff is fine with his usual shenanigans he complained about the time his Stand ate a dog. Yeah Biff's a grade-A jerk but really, a dog? In front of a kid? Messed up, man.
  • He's scared of the Alternates and the Thing, telling them "don't touch me!" in panic. While his cowardice is for the most part shameful, few would blame him for fearing these demons and the Eldritch Abomination who are remarkably adept at disguise and impersonation. The Thing is better in some ways than Rubber Soul in that it can impersonate down to a deeper level and think like it's host. Fortunately for Rubber Soul the Thing sees no priority in assimilating him to gain his Stand...any more than potentially anyone. The Alternates do see his Stand as deserving of plunder, since though they will try to act more accurate they are more prone to Glamour Failure. Alex Mercer has darkly mused that he's glad Rubber Soul has his Stand because his personality severly limits it...which made him mad and went "what did you say you bag of crap?!" before trying to punch him. Mercer ended up impersonating him and Rubber Soul hesitated because "I can't punch a face that sexy!", leading to a sucker punch. He's still mad, but privately admits he's interested in Mercer's ability to impersonate.

Also, I've had writer's block on this idea but I also still think she's a solid choice so if you want to work on her go knock yourself out; it might be a while before I get around to her

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#203768: Dec 12th 2023 at 7:52:13 PM

Okay, so let me go into detail regarding Kenshi.

His trope of Blind Swordsmen is still good, so that doesn't need changing. Second, Mortal Kombat 1 has been out to the point that Kenshi needs a complete overhaul concerning his exploits from the Original Timeline, the Netherrealm Timeline, and the New Era.

Second, I want to see how his New Era version interact with the Yakuza-aligned deities and thr ascended Jedi and Sith. That would be quite interesting to watch.

So... me redoing Kenshi. Yay no nay?

Also, if anyone is planning to do over Sindel, bear in mind that she and Storm share the same voice actress.

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Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds
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#203770: Dec 12th 2023 at 8:01:43 PM

Tropers/snafuthegreat, go ahead for Kenshi.

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#203771: Dec 12th 2023 at 8:08:56 PM

[up], [up][up] You can't give [tup]s and [tdown]s to others until you complete 2 profiles, and I don't remember if you made any profiles before. Also, don't double post (edit the existing post instead).

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Dec 12th 2023 at 8:09:25 AM

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#203772: Dec 12th 2023 at 8:17:58 PM

@RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

If you haven't already, it would be go to mention the "Rero Rero" meme with Rubber Soul, alongside other eccentric traits doppelgangers/tricksters may showcase.


@snafuthegreat

[tup] for Kenshi.

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#203773: Dec 13th 2023 at 1:28:13 AM

just bugs me Never mind.

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#203774: Dec 13th 2023 at 4:31:22 AM

[tup] Captain N's Mother Brain.


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Lenna, Archangel of Procedural Generation (Mother of Archangels, []{,_?%[, Hero of Another Story)

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As the Mother of Archangels 

  • Hall of Game Mechanics
  • Demigoddess in her human form, Intermediate Goddess in her archangel form
  • Alignment: Neutral Good, formerly Chaotic Evil
  • Symbol: The four powers (rainbow-tinted, tilted squares) arranged in a plus-shape
  • Theme song: Your Inception
  • Portfolio: Badass Teacher who gives a Justified Tutorial, The Unchosen One, Devilish Hair Horns, Hello, [Insert Name Here] (but her Canon Name is in the Double-Meaning Title), has a Romance Sidequest, the Final Boss of her world turned human, Tomato in the Mirror, Amnesiac Dissonance, used to be Red and Black and Evil All Over, implied to be an Evil Orphan, horrified when she learns the truth of her origins, genuinely cared about her archangel children in her previous life and planned to buy Christmas presents for them, can use these to spare the archangels and get the Golden Ending, Multiple Endings, Pungeon Master in New Groan Plus, appears as a Superboss in Cassette Beasts by the same developer
  • Domains: Heroism, transformation, glitches, metafiction, teaching
  • Herald: Paige (her girlfriend)
  • Allies: Cassette Beasts party members, Link, Frisk, the Epic Battle Fantasy crew, Mewtwo, Game, Lady Amalthea, Vanellope von Schweetz
  • Ememies: MissingNo., King Candy
  • Lenna started out as an unassuming schoolteacher in a fantasy kingdom full of Schizo Tech, until she stepped outside and her school turned into a glitchy mess with her eight pupils trapped inside. She instructs Lance, the chosen hero, on how to slay the eight archangels and save the world... but then he's suddenly killed by a glitchy mess called 8Fridge, forcing her to take up his mantle as the Hero of Fortitude, save the kingdom from both glitches and the bankers' guild, and collect the four powers.

    After defeating all eight archangels, Lenna gains the Power of Truth and regains memories she didn't know she'd lost: she was originally the human-hating Mother of Archangels, who enjoyed hurting people, taught the chairman of the bankers' guild that money comes from monsters, and created the other eight archangels to be her minions. Delvin (a seemingly-ordinary human who'd been "helping" her throughout her adventure) accidentally created 8Fridge, used it to become a Reality Warper, and turned her into a human. She's horrified by the fact that she unwittingly killed her own children... unless she spared them all using the prince's Power of Compassion.
  • Some time after the Perfect Ending, a sentient, dimension-travelling bar called the Amber Lodge appeared in front of Lenna. Its avatar, Miss Amber, said Lenna had a special appointment, but couldn't say what it was. It brought her to the Court of the Gods, who told Lenna that she'd been chosen to represent Procedural Generation in the Trope Pantheons. In Lenna's Inception, each playthrough's map and boss order is determined by the seed you input when starting a new file, which also becomes the name of the kingdom. As Lenna's world exists within a sentient video gamenote  whose inhabitants are aware of concepts such as debug menus and respawning after game overs, this made sense to her. Upon ascending, she gained memories of all three endings... she tries not to worry about it.
  • Lenna had met the Amber Lodge before: it had taken her to New Wirral for a mysterious errand. There, she had a friendly (though extremely difficult) battle with the Cassette Beasts party members — that's right, this nearly-ordinary human held her own against Mons. She was glad to meet them again in the Pantheon, and since there's no need for secrecy here, she could answer all their questions about her past.
  • Lenna holds the philosophy that you shouldn't let your origins determine your path in life. As a result, she gets along with Mewtwo, who was created to be a weapon and lashed out against his creators. This struck a chord with Lenna, because (it's strongly implied that) her parents were slaughtered by Lance's father around the time she hatched, and that's where her original hatred of humanity came from. Mewtwo redeemed himself when he realised the circumstances of his birth were irrelevant; it was what he did with the gift of life that determined who he was.
  • Lenna also found she had a lot in common with a couple of other video game protagonists. Link reminds her of Lance, another tunic-wearing, sword-wielding Heroic Mime, and many of his adventures played out similarly to hers. She's grateful that every Link has been able to succeed in his quest... All There in the Manual timeline spits notwithstanding. Frisk is the protagonist of another meta Retraux game who had the choice of either killing or sparing the various monsters they faced. Just like Lenna, if they spared all the monsters, they got the best ending where monsters and humans learned to coexist. However, Frisk was confused to learn that Lenna received no repercussions for killing Mooks. The Epic Battle Fantasy crew are also very meta, and they've fought against glitches as well.
  • The first enemy she made in the Pantheon was MissingNo. She has plenty of experience with fighting glitches, and its effects are eerily similar to the corruption that overtook her world. Worse still, various other Pokémon deities have told her that MissingNo. is harmless, and there are even worse glitch Pokémon out there, the thought of which horrifies Lenna.
  • She sympathises with Vanellope von Schweetz, another video game character who was forced out of their role due to someone else's meddling — in this case, King Candy, AKA Turbo. Lenna especially hates him because his methods are almost identical to Delvin's: he tampered with the game's code and altered everyone's memories. Worse still, unlike Lenna, Vanellope was innocent and the rightful ruler of Sugar Rush. Vanellope has assured Lenna that she's supposed to be glitchy, and doesn't need to be fixed.
  • Much like Lenna's world, Game is a sentient video game that was tampered with. This created a rouge entity called Mr. Glitch that tried to take over the real world by controlling all the smart technology. Fortunately, he was saved by the User who reunited him with his beloved Global Gameplay. Both Lenna and Game have noticed their worlds' similarities to The Legend of Zelda, and since Mr. Glitch ascended to the Pantheon along with Game, Lenna has stopped him from wreaking havoc on several occasions.
  • Outside the realm of video games, Lenna also gets along with Lady Amalthea. Both of them were unwillingly transformed into humans — in the latter's case, it was to save her life — and underwent Character Development as a result. Even though Amalthea changed back into a unicorn at the end, her time as a human changed her mindset forever, and she became the only unicorn in her world to feel love and remorse. In contrast, Lenna would rather stay human, thank you very much, though she teaches humans and archangels to live together in peace and can seemingly switch between forms at will in the Perfect Ending.

Edited by NitroIndigo on Dec 13th 2023 at 12:31:30 PM

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#203775: Dec 13th 2023 at 12:21:33 PM

[up] Maybe something with Steve and Alex? The worlds they roam are also proceedurally generated.

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