Getting Crap Past the Radar cleanup

I'm surprised there's a radar for LWA, considering that I've never seen one on an anime page before.

Vampire: you're right about suzy being that archetype. She's of the creepy witch girl variety and regularly works with maigc mushrooms and totally safe potions.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 15th 2021 at 8:36:40 PM

OK, yeah, that's a valid example as long as that episode wasn't rated PG.

EDIT: IMDB says that "one episode" was rated TV-14 for language, and a few were rated TV-PG. "One episode" also got a PG in the UK, so I think the radar actually did pick that one up. But it looks like the entire series was rated G in Australia.

As for Horrible Histories, it's rated PG in the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand.

BBFC allows for a measure of innuendo and some violence, and hisorical accuracy may be considered a mitigating factor.

IFCO is a bit stricter but the examples still fall within PG restrictions

ATC just says to exercise restraint (page 28), and the examples aren't aggressive enough to justify an M rating.

NZ BSA leaves it up to the channel to assign the age rating, but the examples don't look like they warrant anything higher than PG.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Jan 15th 2021 at 8:49:47 PM

Found this example on Sesame Street that sounds like a stretch:

• Harvey Kneeslapper's name was presumably inspired by the Harvey Wallbanger cocktail (vodka, orange juice and Galliano liqueur).

That's more Parental Bonus, probably.

I mean if it was intentional it would be Parental Bonus. If it's a shoehorn, then just cut it.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 18th 2021 at 3:46:48 PM

Really? It seems like more of a coincidence to me (especially the "presumably" part). Harvey Kneeslapper isn't involved with anything beer-related as far as I know.

I can't cut it myself because I've been banned from editing. I'm here to post and comment on questionable examples.

Edited by Segal991 on Jan 18th 2021 at 12:56:41 PM

~Vampire Buddha, if an example of another trope on a work page mentions Getting Crap Past the Radar, like the Cluster F-Bomb example on Team Buddies, just remove the GCPTR link, don't delete the entire example. Regarding that game, the E-rated American version actually had profanity censored.

Also, a Radar example I think may be valid: the Nicktoons broadcast of Dragon Ball Z Kai left in one instance of Android 18 saying "pissed".

Edited by rjd1922 on Jan 18th 2021 at 1:33:47 PM

Acknowledged. That's what I've been doing for the last while, I guess I got a bit over-zealous with the Team Buddies example.

So I found this in the quotes section and it feels closer to Demographically Inappropriate Humour to me. In fact half of these aren't even that they are instead just using random words to replace swearing, which doesn't count.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Jan 19th 2021 at 5:32:38 PM

Oh, yeah, that's DIH if it's anything. I get the impression Crash is written with teenagers in mind, but the devs have to be aware that it appeals directly to children.

The made-up curses more likely fall under Pardon my Klingon and Fantastic Slurs.

I propose a cleanup for the Radar page for Trollhunters. Note, that Netflix gives warnings such as "sex references" or "references to drugs" as well as "language" (swearing). It looks like references to sex or drugs or swearing in this did not go under any radar at all.

• For one, people say "crap" multiple times.
  • Is this getting under the radar? They clearly say it, and it's not hidden, so I'm not sure if it's going against its age rating.

• Rule Number Three: When in doubt, always kick them in the gronk-nuks. Arguably the trollhunter's most effective technique, having been used by various characters. Jim even sums it up by saying that Rule Number Three is essentially "Kick them in the nards."
  • Arguable. It's not a hidden joke and I personally don't consider this an adult joke as I've seen groin-hitting jokes in plenty of non-adult/kids cartoons.

• Blood is shown sometimes, but most of the time it is green or purple blood from trolls, red human blood is shown in small amounts like nosebleeds and cuts.
  • Non-human blood is perfectly acceptable in kids cartoons/non-adult cartoons. Nosebleeds and cuts are not radar worthy.

• During training, Jim can be heard saying "What the hell" as Blinky explains the 3 rules to Troll-hunting.
  • Not sure if this is radar worthy. Might have to review the scene again.

• Bular chastises Strickler for leading a security guard to their location. Strickler retorts that he actually let the guard find them as a "midnight snack" for Bular. We do not see the security guard escape successfully.
  • Is implied death radar worthy?

• Also, when describing Jim's erratic behavior, Toby says it's like he's "drunk", not a word typically used in most kids animation.
  • Good reason, but might need to review this with the age rating.

• Steve drank multiple energy drinks in order to keep up his stamina for the Touch-A-Truckathon. When questioned about his need to use the bathroom, he says that he "[has] it covered." This is mentioned, prodded and lampshaded for the rest of the episode.
  • I personally don't think this is radar worthy. Isn't this just toilet humour?

• Toby said he is sexually declined to the whole class before he floated away and Miss Janeth did not approve it.
  • I can see why this is on here but it's not like the creators tried to hide the joke. Might be radar worthy if it was more subtle. Might have to review the scene.

• At one point, Strickler is off to another date with Barbara, and rudely taunts Jim by asking if he has a breath mint on him — clearly implying that there may well be kissing later on.
  • This... Is not radar worthy at all. Theres nothing sexual or neccessarily adult about this act.

• When Barbara tries to explain to everyone's parents that their children are in trouble, Claire's father directly asks if they are on drugs.
  • I don't think this is radar worthy. As stated above, Netflix would give warnings like "mentions of drugs".

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 23rd 2021 at 7:10:20 PM

All those examples appear to be either completely innocent or that Netflix noticed and explicitly added warnings about. None of them are valid.

I've finished going through Series/ and will do Characters/ next. I should be able to finish it by early February.

Agreed.

Annnd I cleaned up Trollhunters.

Yyyyup.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 23rd 2021 at 10:16:40 AM

Yeah, this is just plain stupid now. If the agency or publisher that is rating the product explicitly adds warnings for the type of content present in it, then IT CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE GOTTEN "PAST" THE RADAR, BECAUSE THEY ADDED THE FUCKING WARNINGS.

I see there's now just on example, from "A House Divided"

Netflix tells me they've rated Trollhunters PG, but because I don't have an account and I'm not willing to make one to check one episode, I have no way to see how bad that particular one is. Based on tropers' tendency to write GCPTR examples to make them sound much more adult than they really are, I'm going to say it's probably only a little disturbing. I don't suppose anybody familiar with the show can point to which rule on which rating system that scene violates?

Honestly I was thinking we could have the mods completely axe the page and just move that example into Nightmare Fuel, since there's only that one example left (which makes the page pretty useless. Why not just add it onto a Getting Crap Past the Radar example on the main page?) and it can be easily interperated as such.

Personally, I remember the scene definitely being a bit disturbing. Not exactly sure if I saw any suicidal connotations in it but I get why the user that made said post thought about that. In any case, no, I don't think this falls under any warning.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 23rd 2021 at 4:11:25 PM

I'll take your word for it that it's disturbing. From the way you describe it, it sounds like moving it to Nightmare Fuel and cutting the page is the best option.

Looking at the page for Digimon Adventure. Lots of work needs to be done for Digimon in general but let's start here (I also haven't watched anything after Tamers so someone else will have to deal with that)

______________________________________________________________________________________

It's worth mentioning that in general, while the English dub did change and/or bowdlerize a fair amount of aspects of the series, it kept in a very surprising amount of things that other companies wouldn't have.

• In Episode 36, we are treated to a scene of Phantomon strangling Matt with his chain (although they cut out that brief two seconds of the chain first wrapping around his neck). You can even hear Matt choking, and yes, this was in the English dub! Bear in mind that death by strangulation was something even the Harry Potter movies considered too graphic, and that was a PG-13 series. This was shown on a Y7 program!

• In one of the episodes the girls were having a bath and were rudely interrupted by Gomamon. This also actually made it into the English dub. And let's not forget that giant cockatrice Digimon chasing after Mimi and Sora who are in nothing but towels after turning the boys to stone.
  • And then the cruise ship runs into an absolutely massive cactus, the tip of which opens up to reveal Mimi's crest. Freud would have a field day with that episode.

• There's the famous slap fight between Angewomon and Ladydevimon who were calling each other "witches" all through the battle.
  Izzy: I know I shouldn't watch this, but for some reason I can't take my eyes off.
  • It's okay, Izzy, we understand.

• They also left in a lot of the bath scenes that surprisingly (mostly) didn't get censored out, like the aforementioned Gomamon scene above.
• Then there's the dialogue when Joe walks in the bath in Ep 8.
  Matt: Come on in, so far we haven't found any sharks in the water.
  Tai: No big ones!
  • Let that sink in for a moment (Tai's facial expression does not help at all).

• In "Etemon's Comeback Tour", in a rare move for children's cartoons at the time, the blood running down Ogremon's face was kept in the dub.

• Puppetmon's gun in the original, which was censored for the dub but made it into the manga.

• The Evil Versus Evil fight against MetalEtemon. There's also MetalEtemon's Fartillery attack.

• Similar to the Kirby and One Piece examples, there is a mention of steroids here. More specifically, when Matt sees Myotismon's One-Winged Angel form^note At the time, it's VenomMyotismon. Then again, considering the latter of the two characters is the bad guy, it has a bit of an implication.
  • Elsewhere, VenoMyotismon's weak-point turns out to be a face on his crotch... And it talks.

• They also left in the English dub, the "666" reference in the same episode... you know, as in Beast from the book of Revelation! Hard to believe this got through the air back in the 90's.
  • Not just a reference, it was a whole plot point that they had until "the hour of the beast" (6:06:06) This makes Myotismon practically Satan, at least until the fallen angel Lucemon (something that DISNEY didn't even attempt to censor) comes along in Season Four.
  • There's a whole bunch of demon-based Digimon who don't get censored. Devimon, Demi Devimon, Devidramon, Lady Devimon, Marine Devimon, Ice Devimon, Daemon, Skull Satamon... the list goes on. The earliest toys replace Devi- with Dark- in most of those names, but the show and the later merchandise don't. What class of Digimon are they? "Fallen Angel Digimon." Of course, nearly all are the Evil Counterpart of an Angel Digimon. How nobody complained is a huge mystery. Ironically, Pokémon incurred the brunt of the Moral Guardians' wrath despite not having explicit demonic references until Pokémon Gold and Silver's Houndoom, so it's possible that being in its shadow helped it avoid censorship. (Strangely, they've got a bigger problem with Norse Mythology. Ragnamon becomes Galacticmon, though he keeps his Ragnarok Cannon. Also, Zudomon's "Thor's Hammer" becomes "Vulcan's Hammer", and Yggdrasil inexplicably becomes "King Drasil.")

• During the fight against Apocalymon, after Angewomon is hit by MetalSeadramon's River of Power (providing a Male Gaze shot in the process), the viewers are treated to a shot of Kari screaming... and Angewomon's cleavage.

• The English dub did this beautifully, to the point where one wonders how the network was able to keep in a good chunk of the following.

• In a slightly different example from the usual, Izzy's parents imply that his mother had a miscarriage or a stillborn shortly before they adopted him.

• In one example literally. For the most part the dub avoided poop jokes by changing it to sludge (ex: the Numemon threw numesludge at the kids, not poop as in the original). The same can't be said for the moment when while the kids were in Sora's cousin's car, Koromon couldn't wait. Or when Tai was overfeeding Agumon to get him to Digivolve into a more powerful Champion form, which also caused a Potty Failure.

• In another possible example of Getting Crap Past the Radar, the dub doesn't change a plot-critical reference to the Number of the Beast.

• They don't hide the concept of death like most 90s dubs did either.

• Of course this only applies if resurrection follows. The scene where Wizardmon kicks the bucket is deleted in the dub.
• They were still explicitly clear that Wizardmon was killed though. However the final episode tries to lighten it up by suggesting that he will be reborn, of course next season we find out that it wasn't the case. (Whether the specific reference was in the original or not, it is an aspect of the original that dead Digimon are 'reconfigured' to start over; it's why Patamon spent most of the Etemon arc as Poyomon/Tokomon after his Heroic Sacrifice as Angemon. Why Wizardmon didn't get better is a good question. The only change to his situation for the dub is the exact moment where his eyes close is omitted... but we do see it in later flashbacks.) He eventual does resurrect in Xros Wars, but that was after years of assuming he was gone for good.
• Why Wizardmon didn't get reconfigured is (sort of) explained. It's stated at some point that Digimon that 'die' in the Digital world will eventually be reborn there. Wizardmon died in the real world, thus he couldn't be reconfigured.
• It's actually possible the dub edit made Wizardmon's death almost traumatic for Kari, as she's quietly begging him to answer her after he thanked Gatomon. And we still see his body lying there when Kari grabs her Digivice, giving the implication he died like that.

• The dub got away with the fact that Matt's father smoked like they normally wouldn't do.

• One of the programs Gennai sends Koushiro is "Pafu Pafu". Furthermore, the icon is even a pair of breasts, albeit simple enough to be mistaken for cartoon eyeballs.

Edited by zendle on Jan 24th 2021 at 7:52:32 AM

I'd like to go through Radar.Fire Emblem. I got into a dispute with ~President Brit on that page, which ultimately led me to the TRS thread, so it holds some personal significance.

Before we get started, I need to make something clear:

SEX ≠ ROMANCE

OK? Good.

• CERO's rules
• USK's rules

Genealogy of the Holy War

This game has only been released in Japan, so the only ratings agency that matters is CERO. According to the wiki, it's rated A (all ages). It should be born in mind that, because translations are unofficial, they may be raunchier than the original Japanese.

CERO is known to be relatively lenient on sex stuff. and this is the sort of thing that tends to be seen as acceptable in Japan. Plus, in this particular case, Lachesis is more likely referring to the fact that Dew is about to be a father, rather than that they did This And That.

Woman has the breasts. Shock. Horror.

This◊ is what Sylvia looks like in the game, and this◊ is her sprite. There's nothing inappropriate about those.

Damn, somebody really wants to make Sylvia look edgy. Anyway, as with Dew and Lachesis, Sylvia and Alec are discussing parenthood, not doing it.

The Blazing Blade

Ratings as per the wiki unless otherwise stated:

• CERO: A (all ages)
• PEGI: 7, content warning for Violence
• ESRB: E, content warning for Violence
• ACB: PG, content warning for Medium Level Animated Violence
• USK: 0

Characters are described in the end text as dying, in a game with content warnings for violence. No radar-dodging here.

This is intended to be romantic, not sexual. The example can reasonably be put on Accidental Innuendo.

Protip: Don't link to a source that directly contradicts your assertion. If you actually read the support, Priscilla is asking Lucius about her beloved older brother, and separately is awkwardly trying to tell Lucius that she finds him attractive.

Here is their support chain. Once again, they're talking about romance, not sex.

The Sacred Stones

Wiki page

Ratings:

• Cero: A (all ages)
• PEGI: 7, content warning for Violence
• ESRB: E, content warning for Violence
• ACB: PG, content warning for Moderate Violence
• UKS: 0

This all comes across as more about general violence and murder than specifically about sexual violence. If it is intended as rapey, that's all distinctly subtextual, and is the sort of thing that will go over children's heads.

No. No they didn't. This is disturbing romance. Not sex. Stop seeing every single thing in exclusively sexual terms.

Path of Radiance

Wiki page

Ratings:

• CERO: A (all ages)
• PEGI: 7, content warning for Violence
• ESRB: T, content warning for Fantasy Violence
• ACB: M, content warning for Moderate Fantasy Violence
• USK: 6

Path of Radiance came out in 2005, so let's make sure we're using the right criteria.

PEGI make their ratings questionnaires readily available, and here's the one they were using in 2005 (MS Word .doc). It mandates a 16+ rating for "The encouragement of the use of tobacco or alcohol", but this particular scene does not encourage alcohol use, because Shinon is clearly in a bad place and the alcohol is affecting him negatively. Plus he's a jerk.

The ESRB is less transparent than PEGI, but at least they do explain their ratings at the time. Since they rated Path of Radiance T, one character being drunk once is permissible.

This (MS Word .doc) is the document used by the ACB. Alcoholism is mentioned under contentious themes, but the theme of Path of Radiance is defeating the pyschopathic conqueror with a side order of racism is bad; Shinon being drunk once does not qualify as alcoholism.

Radiant Dawn

Wiki page

Ratings:

• CERO: A (all ages)
• PEGI: 12, content warnings for Violence and Strong Language
• ESRB: E10+, content warnings for Fantasy Violence and Mild Language
• ACB: M, content warnings for Moderate Themes, Moderate Violence
• USK: 12

Micaiah is joking about romance, not sex.

How is any of this even objectionable, let along contrary to the age ratings and content warnings?

Fates

Wiki page

Ratings:

• CERO: C (15+)
• PEGI: 12, content warnings for Violence, Language, and Sex
• ESRB: T/T, content warnings for Animated Blood, Fantasy Violence, and Suggestive Themes.
• ACB: M/M/M, content warnings for Mature Themes, Violence, and online interactivity
• USK: 12

It says right on the box that there's sex stuff. (Also, is the person who added that example suggesting the other children weren't the result of sex?)

Heroes

Wiki page

Ratings:

• CERO: Unknown
• PEGI: For some reason, PEGI's website doesn't list Heroes. However, I took a screenshot from the Google Play store, which shows a 12 rating
• ESRB: Also not listed on the ESRB's website, but the wiki says it's 12
• ACB: various; currently on M, with content warnings for Nudity (!), Simulated Gambling, Mild Violence, and Mild Suggestive Themes
• USK: 6
• iOS: 12+

I mean, the page in the Google Play Store states outright that there is sex stuff in the game. It's only visible if you choose to check, but that's the fault of Google, not PEGI. Anyway, this sex stuff is permitted under 12/T/M/6 ratings. (USK doesn't care about sex, they're only really concerned with violence)

Again, the is permitted by the age ratings and covered by the content warnings.

So Ephraim is denying that something permitted by the age ratings is even happening? How does that violate the age ratings?

In other words, the girls are wearing swimsuits. Nobody's naked, and there are also characters wearing bikinis. And, again, this is covered by the content warnings. Speaing of bikinis...

Permitted under the age ratings and covered by the content warnings.

Is there something objectionable about how Loki dresses?

This example is dishonest. Sanaki is not getting married. If you actually play the game and read the dialogue, you'll know that she entered on a whim because she thought the festival looked fun and she likes the dresses. The troper who wrote it is actively trying to make the game look dirtier than it really is.

He's a violent bully. And even if this is sexual, it's covered under the content warnings.

Legault is a ninja in all but name. This is intended to some across as sneaky, not sexy. And again, there are content warnings about sexy time.

That's less revealing than regular Olivia. And even then it's permitted under the age ratings.

Echoes

Wiki page

• CERO: B (12+)
• PEGI: 12, content warnings for Violence and Strong Language
• ESRB: T, content warnings for Alcohol References, Fantasy Violence, Mild Blood, Mild Language, and Suggestive Themes
• ACB: M, content warnings for Fantasy Themes, Fantasy Violence, online interactivity
• GRAC: 12
• USK: 12

That is reaching. The context is that all the squires want to be as badass as Mathilda.

This is just about romance, not sex. This sort of thing is considered a private matter in Japan.

Eh, maybe. But this sort of mild innuendo is explicitly permitted in 12-rated games.

Yes, and?

Accidental Innuendo

Again, this is the sort of thing that is acceptable in a 12-rated game.

Warriors

Wiki page

Ratings:

• CERO: B (12+)
• PEGI: 12, content warning for violence
• ESRB: T, content warnings for Suggestive Themes and Violence
• ACB: M, content warnings for Fantasy Themes and Violence, online interactivity
• USK: 12
• GRAC; 12

Permitted under the age ratings assigned.

Permitted under the age ratings. Also, has the troper who wrote this seen regular Camilla?

Permitted under the age ratings.

Three Houses

Wiki page

• CERO: B (12+)
• PEGI: 12, content warnings for Violence and Strong Language
• ESRB: T, content warnings for Blood, Suggestive Themes, and Violence
• ACB: M, content warnings for Mature Themes andn Violence, online interactivity

So, it had enough content to get a rating commensurate with the content?

Here is the support in question. This is straight-up allowed under the age ratings given.

When I talked to President Brit about this on the discussion page, he pointed out that there is no content warning for Sex, meaning this is something the ESRB picked up on but PEGI did not (the ACB didn't put it on the box but they did on their website, because the amount of innuendo only reaches PG territory). Here is the internal questionnaire PEGI currently uses. Caspar and Hilda's support doesn't warrant anything higher than a 12.

It should be noticed that PEGI specifically says "The test is whether the images could prompt sexual curiosity on behalf of the player.", and I think that the support is vague enough that if somebody were to see it without knowing about sex, they would assume Hilda is talking about kissing. To me, this just looks like a case of PEGI being more permissive than the ESRB and ACB about sex. So the question becomes, if a game has a content which is allowed under a rating but doesn't display the relevant content warning, does it count as GCPTR under the new definition? I would say it doesn't, but I'm open to opposing arguments.

Another example that is acceptable under the age ratings given, but see previous item.

Accidental Innuendo

The same can very much be said for that bit of dialogue, since fan reactions are NOT anything to go by. Plus, if you actually pay attention to Felix, he's uninteresting in anything other than becoming the best fighter in Fódlan. He's got some pretty serious issues stemming from his upbringing, and trying to force his talk about swordplay into a sexual thing is ignorant at best.

I actually emailled PEGI about this one, and got a reply:

In the case of alcohol, a PEGI 16 rating applies to ‘prominent use’. Therefore, the presence of alcohol alone is not necessarily sufficient to trigger a 16 rating. More specifically, the questionnaire that is used for our examinations states (under PEGI 16 for ‘prominent use’) that:
“For this question to apply, the consumption of tobacco or alcohol needs to be an active and prominent part of the gameplay (where the player can actively choose to use these products).
This will also include instances where the character gains advantage in the game using tobacco or alcohol (e.g. provides the player with a beneficial ‘stat’ increase).”
Also note that our questionnaire undergoes frequent changes. When Fire Emblem: Three Houses was rated, our guidelines did not include ‘prominent use’ yet. At the time, the examination only included ‘encouragement of the use of tobacco or alcohol’ (PEGI 16) an ‘depictions of the use of illegal drugs’ (PEGI 18).
In either case, PEGI believes that – considering the criteria described above – the references to alcohol that occur in the game did (and do) not warrant a PEGI 16 rating.

So PEGI looked at the game, saw the alcohol references, and decided that they did not warrant a content warning.

The ESRB, unfortunately, are not forthcoming with their internal documents; still, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they take a similar view to that of PEGI, that alcohol doesn't need to be warned about if, as in the case of Three Houses, it is portrayed negatively.

No. No, they really don't.

Dorothea mentions this in passing, in a somewhat breezy tone. The implication is that she gave private concerts, not that she fucked anybody.

It's really, really not frank. The entire thing is discussed through double entendre, and you need to already know about sex to discern the hidden meaning; if you don't know, you'll just assume they're actually talking about singing.

Also, this is not a focal point of Yuri's character arc. Yuri's entire thing is being a heroic outlaw. He's a thief and feels bad about it, but at the same time he and his gang have real camaraderie, and he does enforce standards, in contrast to the much worse bandits like Miklan Gautier and those scorpion guys. His character arc is about being forced into crime to protect his mother, overcoming is criminal past, and making amends, not about being a prostitute.

Though weirdly enough, his bio straight-up says his mother is a prostitute. Weird how that doesn't get mentioned.

And, again, this is all covered under the age ratings assigned, but see the item about Caspar and Hilda.

A 27-year-old man being disappointed in the lack of alcohol at a feast where a significant number of the celebrants are under 18. This is not objectionable in the slightest.

No there aren't, this troper is stretching further than Mr. Fantastic in a dick-measuring contest with Plastic Man. If Marianne gets KOed in part 1, her ending card says she's absent because she ran off with her favourite horse to live peacefully.

It should also be noted that Fates includes this SPOILERTASTIC scene where a character commits violent suicide on screen, while still just getting a 12-rating for Violence. Does the troper think it's against the rules to imply something but not to show it outright? That is completely backwards.

OK, let's have a look at the Digimon examples.

Matt being strangled: Unrealistic fantasy violence is allowed, and ratings agencies tend to go easier on animation than on live action. The fact that they did cut it means that they noticed it, so not valid.

Angewomon vs Ladydevimon: I think Izzy is just finding the pair attractive. Slightly edgy but acceptable for children.

Puppetmon's gun: Manga does not have any official watchdogs. Some are given age ratings, but those are always determined internally.

666: We'll need a citation

Pafu Pafu: Again, we'll need a citation as to what exactly was allowed. If it's something vague that's only on screen for a second, I can see Fox Kids letting it slide.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:07:05 PM

As someone who's lived in France I do believe that a lot of Values Dissonance is at play here since Wakfu is of French origin (and to be honest, it pissed me off when the original introduction of the page said that it aired as Saturday morning cartoon despite the fact that it originally aired in France).

In any case, I just checked the rating on Netflix's Wakfu and they put up warnings for sex references. It's also PG-12, in case anyone is curious.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 24th 2021 at 7:08:53 PM

Just about to report Radar.Wakfu! It outright states this:

While this show aired as a Saturday morning cartoon, you should keep in mind that it is of French origin, which means that they have different standards.

So anyway, let's review:

• Season 1 episode 1
  • A blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot has a fellow reading a "gentleman's magazine" while in the outhouse. Maybe Demographically Inappropriate Humour.
  • Also, Sadlygrove is staring at Eva's chest after she throws off her coat.
• Season 1 episode 4
  • The little creature that checks to see if people trying to enter the tower are ugly princesses "scans" the guys by grabbing onto their faces; but when it gets to Evangelyne, it latches onto her chest instead — and Amalia has to tell it to stop just as it begins to hover over her backside...
  • Also after Amalia and Yugo get Dragoturkey dung poured over them at the princesses' bath:invoked
    Amalia: Right, but be quick! If they notice we'll really be deep in... well, even more than now.
• Season 1 episode 8
  • Chochanna, the beautiful and popular female baker (pictured), dances between Parent Service and this trope. Besides much attention being paid to her "buns", when she winks at the male announcer during the baking contest, he gives us this little gem: "Now there's someone who can bake my baguette!" Parent Service, it is.
  • At the end of the same episode, the heroes are rewarded with a huge breakfast, and Sadlygrove tries shoving a whole baguette filled with jam in his mouth: under the pressure, the jam spurts on Amalia's face in a suggestive manner.
• Season 1 episode 9
  • When Ruel rummages through his belongings in the Havresac, he pulls out woman's underwear on multiple occasions.
  • Notice the "strange" positioning of Sadlygrove's right arm when he and Eva are unconscious.
• Season 1 episode 10: Evangelyne and Amalia are shopping, and naturally they check out clothes. Evangelyne is waiting while Amalia is in the changing room. When the princess comes back, she stands in profile to a pair of melons in the foreground (chest high). She asks for Evangelyne's opinion about a piece of clothing, to which Eva comments, "too revealing". Curse you melons, curse you! (How is that possible to be more revealing than what she normally wears, we will never know.)
• Season 1 episode 11
  • Just before the Bontarian Gobbowl match, amongst the items thrown on the field by the spectators are several pieces of female underwear.
  • "Ah — ah! Stroud left something in his pants!"
• Season 1 episode 12
  • When Yugo, Amalia, and Eva cheer Ruel for making a goal, at around 13:45, they spell the letter "U" by laying on their backs, and spreading their legs open. It wouldn't have counted, since Yugo does this too, if not for the fact that he is turned to where we see his face when he does it. Only thing that kept the girls from giving us three panty shots in five seconds is the fact that they seem to be wearing Magic Skirts.
  • In the last episode of the arc, when Yugo scores, you can see Kabrok running naked on the field behind the cowgirls riding Gobbals.
  • Later in the episode, when Ruel is left powerless as the other team starts cheating, the audience proceeds to throw vegetables at him, and on four frames, you can see a penis-shaped carrot flying over him.
  • At the end of the arc, Eva has a romantic dinner with Jay and kisses him on the cheek before leaving: Jay's hair also rises.
• Season 1 episode 14: one of the Kannibauls who appears for a few seconds in a crowd scene has a penis-shaped mask. Also, the giant gate to Moon's domain has a giant humanoid figure etched on it... and the ropes used to pull the gate open are attached to the crotch-area of the picture.
• Season 1 episode 17: Sadlygrove builds a snowman to which he adds two big, round snowballs with the comment "They should be a bit bigger... like this", and then brings them into form with subtle movements. Said snowman is not seen until the next scene, where it's shown that he carefully modeled its eyes.
• Season 1 episode 18: "There are attacks for use in private." That entire episode is Getting Crap Past the Radar, considering that the main external conflict is a pirate trying to kidnap and rape Evangelyne.
• Season 1 episode 19
  • There's an exchange that's either this or Accidental Innuendo:invoked
    Ruel: What matters in love is finding the shoe that fits!
    Sadlygrove: Huh?
    Ruel: Or if you prefer, finding a sheath for a sword.
  • When Eva is cradling Grovy in her arms, he briefly checks out her chest.
  • The broken bow is a disturbing, non-fanservice example. Poor Eva feels broken, stays in her room with her best girlfriend, blames herself even though it was not her fault... She reacts like a rape victim. Sadlygrove's guilt just reinforces this.
• Season 1 episode 20
  • The baby Drheller that Ruel adopts is named Kamasu-Tar. Yes, that's one letter away from you-know-what. Granted, "kamas" is this world's currency, so the name makes sense in context, but the pun stays valid.
  • Earlier in the episode, during Eva's dream, when Sadlygrove asks Eva if she ever thought about what they could do together, Grovy is just talking about adventuring and being a Romantic hero team. Eva, on the other hand, looks like she's thinking about a different sort of romance.
• Season 1 episode 22: Sometimes a dance is not just a dance.
• Season 2 episode 8: This one has possibly the series' largest case, to the point where, as noted in Parent Service on the main page, most viewers except young children will pick up the subtext.
  • Basically, the girls refuse to strip down in front of the others even though they promise not to look, a situation in itself that's Getting Crap Past the Radar... when Sadlygrove retorts that he's already seen Evangelyne naked, and it wasn't a dream (ruling out the hallucination from episode 22), with Evangelyne quickly trying to shut him up and telling everyone that he's just mistaken while Grovy tries to interject. And if that wasn't enough, Word of Tot confirms that yes, the two are in a physical relationship, just in case you had any shred of doubt left.
  • In the same scene, Evangelyne appears to have a camel toe.
• Season 2 episode 10: The creepy salesman with the coat rather happily advertising his wares. (The scene is also shot from an very interesting angle...)
• Season 2 episode 11
  • A brothel appears at the beginning of the episode. In front of the brothel is a sign that, when deciphered from Brakmar, reads "Maison close - ouverte touze." Or, translated to English, "Brothel - open to orgies."
  • "You have that sharp, useless look about you. wanna to go to the back, or to the front?"
  • The female sacrier that bought a second S.M.A.R.T. potion (because the last one wore off to the word "gobbowl" in the previous episode's end credits), so she can attend the gobbowl match, is tricked into undoing the spell in front of the guards. Good thing she realized in time...
  • When Evangelyne and Sadlygrove have a moment, as had been typical for Season 2... only this time Eva is a Gender Bender and is now the male "Evangelion"... while the audience stares in shock.
  • Although the focus switches in mid-transformation, right before the viewers can see anything interesting, when "Amalius" turns back into a topless Amalia, Yugo and Ruel get an eyeful before she can grab her shield to cover herself.
• Season 2 episode 12
  • Maude's gobbowl attack destroys a very suggestive poster. Of Chochanna, appropriately enough.
  • And then there is this gem between Maude and Kriss:
    Kriss: Are you thinking what I am thinking?
    Maude: Yes. Let's try the double.
• Season 2 episode 13
  • The rude Pandiego de la Vega basically tells Amalia and Yugo to stop making out with tongues during their tearful reunion.
  • Before that, he cheerfully lets Amalia know that the bamboo he's growing uses "pandawa manure".
  • A quick shot of Amalia diving out of Yugo's portal lets us know exactly how much she is wearing under her skirt.
• Season 2 episode 14
  • When interrogated, the female Sadida singer tells Ruel she was in a friend's room, but not to ask what she was doing there because it's private.
    • She then begins to uncross her legs before the camera abruptly cuts to show a startled Ruel, Yugo, and Sadlygrove.
  • The bath scene is infamous for not just having Amalia and Eva completely naked throughout, but the creative ways to censor them. The smirking rubber duck being the biggest example.
    • When dropping into the bath, Amalia's chest briefly dodges around her foreground censor, complete with a nipple shot.
  • Some singers during the music contest really play ninja with the radar:
    • The first singer ends his song with "And it's free!" while moving his... crotch area a little suggestively. When the camera cuts back to the judge, a few women in the background are clearly waving underwear at him.
    • "Kamas shine, and when they flow, they get you wet. Kamas shine and get you wet."
• Season 2 episode 18
  • At around 9 minutes 20 seconds, there's a shot of the night sky, and a section of stars is oriented in the shape of a cartoon penis.
  • When Sadlygrove is unable to make Rubilax bigger in front of Cleophelia, he claims to her, "I'm sorry, this is the first time this has happened to me."
  • And just after, when he notices the Anti-Magic device, he comments, "Another of those inhibi-things? We're gonna end up in our undies again." This is a Call-Back to episode 8 of season 2, but taken out of context...
  • Also, most of the following comments about Evangelyne's reluctance to fight are rife with not-too-subtle innuendos... basically calling her a "cold fish".
• Season 2 episode 19: It might be Accidental Innuendo, but Amalia comments that all Grovy wants to do is "play around with his big sword".invoked
• Season 2 episode 20: Pretty much the entire scene of Cleophelia "helping" Sadlygrove get over his sea sickness is past the radar. Though it is quite funny that her own sister wants to shoot her because of it.
• Season 2 episode 21:
  • "I guess [Grovy and Yugo] are... less sensitive than us, to some arguments." Given how awkward Encre is about the whole thing, he's implying that Grovy and Yugo weren't turned as quickly by the Bellaphones because they were less susceptible to sexual favors. (Because Yugo's a kid, and Grovy won't betray Eva even while brainwashed.)
  • After Eva's sister makes an insensitive joke towards Amelia, Amelia returns it with, "Cra who give give me sass, will get my foot in the--".
• Season 2 episode 22
  • Rubilax makes an utterly hilarious remark in reference to Sho-Bubu, the spirit stuck in a ring that Sadlygrove is wearing.
    Rubilax: Oh great! A ménage à trois...
  • And then there's Eva and Grovy's exchange at the sight of Cassis' Humongous Mecha...
    Evangelyne: Have you seen the size of his thing?!
    Sadlygrove: The bigger, the better.
• Season 2 episode 25: When Rushu reveals his true form to be slightly taller than an average human, Salygrove suggests he was "Compensating for Something".
• Season 2 episode 26: Sadlygrove even considering that Eva could be pregnant reveals they have been having unprotected sex off-screen pretty much since his return. You know, for kids. Not to mention the fact that since he has returned, they have pretty much been together with the group and doing this right under their teammates' noses.invoked
  • And this is after in the previous episode Goultard explicitly called Sadlygrove "papa", with a wink, when saying why he needed to stay instead of joining his mentor in pursuing Rushu into the Shushus' dimension. Granted, it turns out Goultard had another reason for calling Sadlygrove "papa".
  • We end up seeing this happen in the second OVA-during the montage of Dally failing to propose to Eva, one of them involves her interrupting him to plant a kiss for almost 10 seconds, before the two fall on the grass out of sight. The next scene shows them with babies.
• Manga, book 1 page 49: It might not be intentional, but when Amalia ends up on top of Yugo, she says "I'm sure that you've missed me... It must have been very hard for you." The look on Yugo's face implies that it's probably pretty "hard" now.
• It's confirmed in the Manga and Special episodes that Eva is pregnant, she has twins (the manga takes place before the special episodes).
• One of the first things Rubilax says in season 3 is how Eva and Pinpin forget to put him off the wall during their 'special exercises'. It pretty much makes clear that dialogue's going to be more risqué for the rest of the season...
• At the end of Poo's Extended Disarming, Eva remarks he still hasn't dropped all his weapons, leading him to panic that he's "already naked". Eva clarifies she meant "his balls" and he relaxes, then seemingly drops his pants...only to pull out a belt with two large green balls attached to it.
• When confronting Dark Vlad, Ruel remarks that the only "Fire" he has it's in his pants...
• When Yugo catches Amalia in a Bridal Carry after saving her with his portals, the "ears" of his hat suddenly rise as he sports a goofy smile and a stiff posture for a few seconds.
• In Episode 8, the watchers may learn more than they wanted about Ruel's marital life. After capturing him and tying him up, Arpagone gags Ruel with a ball-gag.
• The Sacrier Demigodess Kali appears to have a Pasty, with the rest of her possibly wearing dried blood instead of clothing.
  • It actually was dried blood! Keyword: 'Was'. It ultimately had to be changed due to censorship laws. Valid GCPTR.

I'm pretty sure the entire subpage could be moved to DemographicallyInappropriateHumour.Wakfu.

Edited by ccorb on Jan 24th 2021 at 2:23:21 PM

Yup! I wrote that.

EDIT: Yeah, agreed on moving it into Demographically Inappropriate Humour. I believe that it's more fitting that way.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 24th 2021 at 8:54:58 PM

...I've wondered before if we should just cut this page, but after reading all of that, I'm really starting to wonder about it.

The way we redefined it, it's almost impossible to verify what truly fits.

I think the problem is Values Dissonance. A lot of things that seemed inappropriate in certain eras or regions aren't actually inappropriate in the context of the show, despite what we believed.

It'd probably be better for us to focus on moving the content instead of cutting it. Otherwise I'm concerned Demographically Inappropriate Humor won't get a lot of attention. It was launched relatively quickly and to be honest, its name is kind of clunky to type (I think I proposed it but not necessarily as a final title).

Since there appears to be only one valid GCPR entry, we can just cut the rest of the page and move that to one example onto the main page of Wakfu.

Edited by KingOfStickers on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:59:17 PM